The Shameless Plug: An Aliens Special Special

17:29Chris Hewitt:I mean, obviously, Scorning Weaver's front and center, then there's Carrie Henn, and there's Lance Henriksen. But all the colonial marines make an impact. They do. Even the grunts who have maybe one or two lines, they will make an impact in a brief period. We talked about this, actually, because you're right. You've got a very large supporting cast, and most of them don't really make it out of the middle of the film, the initial incursion into the hive. So you lose the vast majority of them. You're down to, what, six by that point? Yeah. But you feel like you know them because they have, and by modern filmmaking standards, you think it's quite luxurious.

17:59but you have that long period where the Sulaco, the ship, is flying to the planet. They wake up from hypersleep and you hang out with the Marines. They're working out, they're bantering, they're insulting each other, having dinner, all that stuff. But you get a real sense for who they are and the interplay between them. So you actually feel it when they die. Oh no, Apone! You know who he is and that's extraordinary. Chris Baski! Chris Baski!

18:20Nick de Semlyen:Al Matthews is amazing. Al Matthews, yes. The late Al Matthews is amazing as Apone. An actual vet as well. And he was very much a soldier. He looked after animals. Yes, he did. He loved a dog. He was kind of like the sergeant on screen and off as well. He wrangled the troops I think a lot of the time. Look into my eye. Fall in, people. Another glorious day in the Corps. Day in the Marine Corps is like a day on a farm. I remember you started when we were at Comic-Con one year. I remember you starting every day with that and me wanting to murder you. We started one of the 50 bloggers

18:48Chris Hewitt:with that, didn't we?

18:48Nick de Semlyen:Yes, with an alien spook.

18:50Chris Hewitt:Nick, James is going full James here and not letting anyone else have a word. No! Do you like aliens? I love aliens.

19:00Nick de Semlyen:Aliens is a really special film for me because it was like one of the first 18s I saw and it was on a videotape floating around at my school. Someone had recorded it off the TV or something and I remember like we were just some of us would get together and watch it. Sometimes it felt very illicit because it was gory and it was intense and it was fun. So yeah, it was like one of the first films where I felt like a real kind of genuine danger watching it. And I love it. I still love it now. I've seen it, not as many as James, but I've seen it a dozen times. Okay. Changed a thousand times this week.

19:33Nick de Semlyen:Also, but at the same time as I discovered aliens, I discovered Alien War. And that's another thing I got to do. That was a bucket list thing for me in this issue. Because I was like, I've been banging on about Alien War. So I went when I was like 15. You know what this is? What is it? So in London, when there used to be the Trocadero at Piccadilly Circus, which was amazing. The Trocadero, if you went there in the 90s, you'll never forget it. Arcade machines. Harrier jumped it hanging from the roof. There was like a ride that dropped you down like three floors. It's where the picture

20:01Chris Hewitt:house central is now.

20:02Nick de Semlyen:Yes, true. And then, best of all, in the basement, if you went down, there was basically, you could be in the movie Aliens and it was done so well. It was actual props and costumes from the film. These two guys that I talked to this month for this issue, Gary and John from Scotland, the two Scottish guys and they had the idea we're going to do an Aliens-themed interactive thrill ride. And basically, you turned up in the Trocadero, you got put in a group, you were basically being given a tour of an off-world base by a colonial marine. And then it goes wrong and you start legging it around and aliens are jumping out at you.

20:35Nick de Semlyen:And I cannot emphasize enough, it was fucking terrifying. And the best bit of all, which I talked about with them in the article, is they put a ringer in with your group who looks like a tourist, but isn't, is an actor. And at a certain point in the tour, when you're running around, this person gets grabbed by an alien and yoinked and dragged away screaming. And you think it's just a gut like one of you. So it was amazing. they had an AP they had an APC and they had the the Marine had the motion tracker and there was like a chair in the APC would come up and there'd be an alien underneath it there were pulse rifles which they synced to the actual sounds and they had speakers hidden around the place and it was muzzle flow it was amazing they did it so well so the whole I got to talk to them and got the whole story of how how they put it together and Sigourney Weaver turned up on opening night in I think mid 1995 with a flamethrower and yeah there's an amazing picture of that Lance Henriksen turned up apparently he was a wuss apparently he was terrified wow and there's great stories about celebrities that went went on there I never went I always wanted to go and I never went and that was one of my big regrets from like the ages and 90s I never got to go to Alien War Tony Blair went on it there's a photo of Tony Blair with an Alien War mug amazing he came out going we need to destroy these aliens within 45 minutes but who else Carly Minogue went on it Suggs apparently Michael Barrymore went every week and Michael Jackson almost went on it but then his bodyguards did it and they decided it was too scary for him.

21:58Nick de Semlyen:So they told him not to do it. But the stories are amazing. Like genuinely, it's one of those things that anyone who ever did it will never forget it. And most exciting of all, we reveal in this article, they're bringing it back. Office outing. What? 100%. Oh yeah, I've already told them we want to do an office outing. We can try it out. But they're going to use new tech and I mean, it was amazing back in the 90s. Possibly. New tech. But anyway, yeah.

22:22Chris Hewitt:See you down there, Tony Blair. Oh my God, yeah. Yeah, he's tough on aliens. toughen the causes of aliens genuinely

22:28Nick de Semlyen:it was like when we did the Terminator issue last year the anniversary issue of Terminator and I got to talk to the guy who did Arnie and the Terminators on top of the pops Steve Wright novelty song the other guy oh okay but yeah this was a real treat for me I gotta say I was as excited talking to these guys as you were talking to James Cameron yeah shout out to them

22:49Chris Hewitt:I think this is a top 10 film for me of all time certainly top 10 I should hope so it's you know we've had this alien aliens discussion a lot on the podcast and why do you have to choose but as aliens? It is. For me and for you Nick where do you where do you stand on the debate? Aliens. Yes. Yeah. Aliens. Yeah. Okay.

23:11Nick de Semlyen:Ghostbusters 2 Aliens. Can we please excuse Nick from this debate now? I'm not joking. In the 80s the sequels were off to be at least a weapon too. It's so much fun that's the thing is like it works as a horror it's got really scary stuff in it like the first one does and it's got great world building but it's just a rollercoaster ride. It's so exciting and so fun. And it's got, you know, Cameron tells the story of the premiere where he didn't know if the Alien Queen sequence was going to work and everyone just exploded. Like everyone was cheering. And, you know, when she comes out in the power loader suit.

23:39Nick de Semlyen:Talking of the power loader suit, we also spoke in this issue to John Richardson, the special effects supervisor, who I wouldn't say created because James Cameron kind of came up with them, but he designed the pulse rifle and the power loader and the flamethrower and all this other amazing, iconic tech. I mean, it's probably got the coolest weapons of any film. Oh, I love it. I love the sounds. Star Wars might beg the difference. Yeah, in terms of iconic, but I love the sounds of the pulse rifles and the smart gun, which is essentially like a steadicam that kills. It's extraordinary. Yeah, but I think this is one of those films, I think one of the reasons it captivated me so much as a teenager is because, like Star Wars, it works on so many different levels, from a storytelling point of view, but also the music is on point.

24:22Bishop's Countdown has been used in like 80 % of all trailers.

24:26Nick de Semlyen:It's also a funny film, right? Alien is a masterpiece, but it hasn't got many lols. And Alien has got, yeah, thanks to Bill Paxton, and they're just studded with tiny little bits of comedy.

24:38Chris Hewitt:It's not just that though, Nick, for me. It's just great set piece after great set piece after great set piece. And like Alien, one of the things I love about it is that it takes its sweet fucking time. I think it's an hour before we even get an alien in Aliens it's pretty much the same in Alien of course but it takes a sweet time but once it starts going my god does it go and you have just so many great set pieces like I said you have the first encounter with the aliens James as you were talking about where they get their asses handed to them and because obviously they can't use any weapons in there what are you going to use men?

25:19Chris Hewitt:Harsh language which it's just such an incredible scene with Ripley, helpless, watching on Gorman, panicking. That's brilliant. You got the whole sequence in the med bay with Ripley and Newt and the facehuggers, which is incredible. You have the tension of the aliens assault on them when they're in the ceiling. That sequence is incredible. five meters man four what the hell you're not reading it right yeah it's the tension there is off the actual sound design as well the little beep well they talk about that because they obviously have to do adr for a lot of this stuff and uh the bit where they had to get paxton into adr the bit during that sequence and he was like i don't know what the fuck i was because he's improv'd all of it was yelling stuff you want some of this fuck you and he so he got into the sound booth and he just had to make it up and try and vaguely sync it with the lips which i think Oh my God.

26:17But he likes so much of his stuff in there. He's so funny. He's like Cowardly Hudson.

26:22Chris Hewitt:It's game over, man. Yeah. It's game over. Yeah, finally has his hero moment at the end. And I'm always sad when he gets pulled onto the floor. Yeah. Maybe he lived. And then he got obliterated in the nuclear blast.

26:33Nick de Semlyen:Yes, exactly. That's quite a poignant bit in the interview, isn't it? Yeah, when they talk about... Well, that's true. Because as it comes up, it turns out Cameron spoke to Paxton the day before his operation, which unfortunately killed him. And he was quoting Hudson to him over the phone. I got a bad feeling about this, man. And so that role did kind of stick with him. It's his most iconic role, without a doubt. I mean, Bill Paxton was amazing. He was a great actor, great director, but he'll always be known for Hudson. Feralty is one of the most scary films. Really good.

27:06Chris Hewitt:And Sigourney Weaver, of course. I mean, she's done amazing things in her career. Ghostbusters 2 being one of them. but she's never I think going to be known as anything

27:15Nick de Semlyen:other than Ripley Oscar nominated for this for this film which is wild because I don't think you would imagine a film like this getting an Oscar nomination for the lead actor but it fundamentally I think changed what female roles in films could be from an action perspective especially in the which was called Rambolina it was named Rambolina at the time but not just her Jeanette Goldstein's role as Vasquez as well it's extraordinary sort of like action based female roles which now don't seem that surprising, but back then, absolutely. Well, female villain, female hero, you know, it's full of, you know, great female parts, if you call the alien queen.

27:51Nick de Semlyen:The alien queen is a good part, it's true, yeah. But it's, yeah, it was definitely something really fresh for the genre, and still feels that, it doesn't feel like, feels progressive now. This is the thing, it's like, you look at the Alien franchise, and everything from Alien 3 onward shows its age, because those were those really awkward early years of CGI, where, hey, look, we can do stuff on computers, and it's like, it doesn't look very good, hasn't aged very well. Whereas because Aliens is basically all practical, it still looks pretty fucking good. And yes, there's bits where he has the kind of video screen behind for the dropship crash, and there's some compositing stuff, you know, but do you know what?

28:25There's nothing about that film I've changed, not one frame.

28:28Nick de Semlyen:It hasn't dated badly at all. And obviously, still kind of lives in pop culture. Avengers Infinity War, right? That old movie. Without Aliens, Spider-Man and Iron Man would not have got out of that. True story. The entire galaxy would have so Aliens has literally saved every planet and every single Ebony Moore the last victim of the Alien Queen yeah Thanos would have won if not for this film wow well he did win in that film

28:52Chris Hewitt:damn it I don't know if you've been paying attention

28:53Nick de Semlyen:I fell asleep 10 minutes before the end I assumed everything worked out fine but yeah it's obviously in Alien Romulus they have a quite bad quite clumsy reference to Aliens but you know it goes to show that people are still referencing this film they're still thinking about it it's still very alive in pop culture and you know it's super fresh

29:14Chris Hewitt:it's super fresh and super good and yeah I adore it and it's not often we give the 14 page treatment to something so why did you do that?

29:24Nick de Semlyen:I mean because I wouldn't stop because James was aiming a pulse rifle at my head on Press Week no we just it just felt you know when else are you going to have James Cameron Sigourney Weaver Michael B and Jeanette Goldstein like together on a chatting away of telling stories oh actually they're wrong

29:38Chris Hewitt:I forgot the most six o 'clock. Oh, right.

29:41Nick de Semlyen:Okay, well, I would have only done 12 if I'd known. But yeah, we just wanted to supersize it. It just felt like a really nice chance to celebrate something that we haven't really done that much on, you know, in the magazine. Like some films we sort of go back to, like Lord of the Rings, obviously. We've done a lot of celebrations of that, Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Aliens, you know, we've celebrated the franchise as a whole, but I don't think we've really done much in the way of just celebrating Aliens. So it was really nice to chance to... I remember doing,

30:10Chris Hewitt:I was moderating a Q &A, a meeting on Zoom a couple of years ago, during the pandemic certainly, between Edgar Wright and James Cameron. I can't remember if that was specifically about aliens or maybe that was just like a chat between the two of them that I was there to kind of oversee.

30:25Nick de Semlyen:I think that was the issue that Edgar was kind of guest editing where it was about people's cinema memories. And I remember James Cameron talked about, not Wake and Fright, Wait Until Dark, the Audrey Hepburn film. and he was talking about seeing that in the cinema and some other stuff probably came up.

30:40Chris Hewitt:No, I think this was specifically about aliens because we talked about the power loader moment. We talked about how Cameron calibrated it. I remember Cameron going, you know, I had a moment of silence after she says, get away from her, you bitch, because I had a feeling audiences might go apeshit at that moment. I now remember. He's remembering now.

31:02Nick de Semlyen:I now remember, yeah, but it was, I don't know what happened to that bit, but we did something with it but it was mostly about his cinema experiences James Cameron's but then we also asked him about that one because that one had such a big reaction right okay but um maybe it was oh I think Readers picked it we did like a Readers poll I don't remember anyway welcome to Shane's Club where we can't remember anything about what we did welcome to the Senior Moments podcast well

31:27Chris Hewitt:this is the thing like if you said you know Jimbo you were saying if you said to yourself as a 9-10 year old watching Indians for the first time one day you'll interview James Cameron and if you'd also said to us one day you'll interview James Cameron so often that you won't remember did I talk to him? I don't remember I mean I definitely did but I don't remember what we did with that but that's something he said I have interviewed James Cameron a number of times and every single time I've interviewed him I have crowbarred in questions about aliens unbidden and I've been genuinely scolded about it like he literally when I was talking to him I was for the re-release of Terminator 2 he literally said aren't we here to talk about can we talk about Terminator 2?

32:04He just pulled me back. I want to talk about aliens. So this was your pure shot. This was like, I got this, I said, this is the one occasion, you cannot stop me. I cannot be stopped. We are just going to talk about aliens, we're going to lock in, it's going to be amazing. And that is, of course, what happened.

32:19Nick de Semlyen:How many years has it been since Piranha Flying Killers? A while, yeah. Is there an anniversary coming up? I don't think so. Do you think we need to do an oral history? 16 pages. I don't think necessarily. I mean, there's probably some good stories. I'm sure there are. what else is in the issue Chris?

32:35Chris Hewitt:oh I don't know because I was away while this issue was being locked down you were on a cruise you were reenacting the speed 2 cruise control I was I was playing the Willem Dafoe role I was going faster, faster this is too slow there's lots of great stuff I mean we don't have time to get into everything Nick but there's a Tim Allen and Tom Hanks interview which has really caught my eye for Toy Story 5 which is coming out very very soon and we got Hanks and Alan together

33:12Nick de Semlyen:this is a bit of a dream thing I think we've been trying to do this for probably like three Toy Story films and it happened we asked for it and lo and behold it happened and Ollie Richards did it and it's a really great Q &A with a very revealing story about their first meeting it didn't get on apparently because Tom Hanks stole a chip. It's unclear whether it's a British chip, as in a French fry, or a American chip as in a potato chip, crisp, from... This anecdote is not going well. Tom Hanks stole a chip from Tim Allen's plate, and Tim Allen did not take kindly to it. Tim Allen's had a chip in his shoulder ever since.

33:54Nick de Semlyen:Indeed. Well, no, because Tom Hanks ate it. Oh, my God. But yes, there's more of that kind of juicy scuttlebutt. it's no holds barred but they are you know as you can imagine they are lovely and it's they don't spend that much time together because they record their lines separately yeah I imagine they don't actually do anything together right you know cross paths and obviously link together forevermore yeah as these characters so it's a great it's a really yeah it's a really great chat

34:19Chris Hewitt:Buzz like but that makes sense right that they didn't get on initially because Woody and Buzz don't get on together initially at least but yeah they fixed it so that's good

34:28Nick de Semlyen:they battled Stinky Pete and this is amazing I wrote about a scary movie the new scary movie I gotta say I wanna mention it because you may have interviewed James Cameron and Sigourney Weaver on Zoom I had Arna Faris do a river dance jig for me on Zoom it was a wonderful experience so I had a Zoom with Arna Faris who I'd not spoken to before but I've been a fan of because she's really funny she is absolutely delightful and it started with her being like ah, camera's on, camera's off, I'm not sure. And then within two minutes, she was doing a river dance chick. Oh my God. There's a reason for it, but you have to read the article to find out.

35:09Nick de Semlyen:Oh my God, you're doing the hard sell. Yeah, look at that. Wow.

35:13Chris Hewitt:It's such a tease. It's absolutely incredible. It's a fantastic issue. I mean, at the center, it definitely is the aliens thing. But Jimbo, do you want to highlight anything else in this incredible issue of Empire Magazine that you don't have to hand right now? That I literally don't have in front of me. And I'm now looking at you blankly thinking, what was in that issue what was in the issue I think you man I think you as the person who is currently thumbing through the issue are better placed oh alright then Jesus H Christ so we have let me see what else we have we have an interview with Naomi Aki which is fantastic why did you do Scary Movie Nick

35:45Nick de Semlyen:this is an interesting one because it's a huge pop culture event the Scary Movie franchise is like a billion dollar one a lot of people love these films and we're in a time where comedy is a real rarity on the big screen especially successful comedy so people are predicting this is going to be one of the big hits of the summer and it's a pure comedy and I just think that's interesting and it's worth digging into that these guys are super successful and yeah, so it was interesting and I just think it's a very interesting story within itself of how the Wayans brothers kind of got thrown off the franchise and now they're coming back it's been big ups and downs.

36:24Nick de Semlyen:And you spoke to the Wayans brothers as well. Yeah, I spoke to Marlon and Sean Wayans for an hour together. It was really fun and interesting and talked about all kinds of stuff in Living Colour and there are other spoofs and I talked to Regina Hall and Anna Faris. Amazing. Yeah. It's not a series that I love every bit of. Scary Movie 4 is one of the rare films I walked out of the cinema. Was that your opening line? Well, they weren't involved with that one. Yeah. It's definitely had some ups and downs but I also think you know, it's a comedy and that should be kind of championed at this point because it doesn't happen much that we get comedy in the cinema.

37:02Chris Hewitt:We also sent John Nugent to Rome to talk to the boys. When in Rome, talk to the boys.

37:07Nick de Semlyen:Yep. As the old saying goes. Yeah, yeah. That's another round table interview. That's a lot of fun. The final season of The Boys. Yep. Much talk of exploding penises. Yeah. I mean, as always with John's interview. I was going to say, yeah,

37:17Chris Hewitt:as with all of them.

37:19Nick de Semlyen:It's not too dissimilar

37:20Chris Hewitt:from James's Aliens interview to be fair. Accurate. In Beth's section first word there's a piece about Hollywood's

37:26Nick de Semlyen:new space age what's that Nick? Yeah that's kind of inspired by the Artemis mission and the fact that they watch Project Hail Mary and they were quoting Project Hail Mary from space amaze amaze amaze and so we kind of took a look at that and how sci-fi there's a new kind of trend of positive sci-fi with like for all mankind and things getting more hopeful and how that's kind of interlinking with the renewed interest in real life space travel There we go Blimey

37:51Chris Hewitt:We've got Olivia Wilde talking about the invite, which is excellent. We have Leo Woodall on his role in Tuner. And we have Bob Odenkirk with a truly legendary pint of milk. He's on very funny form in that one. We've got loads of reviews as you might imagine in my section, the final cut section, the best section in the magazine. We have Nia DaCosta talking about making 28 years later The Bone Temple. We have a ranking of Jurassic Park featuring Jurassic Park movies, not just a ranking of Jurassic Park, although So you'll never guess what number one is. Featuring Nick. Nick is in that. Ben Wishon is the time capsule.

38:29Chris Hewitt:That was a real treat to do with him. And there's some other amazing things in there as well. Stephen Freer's on my beautiful laundrette. Loads of wonderful, wonderful things. Obviously at the center is the aliens. Woohoo! Interview. I hesitate to call it an interview. it's just someone gushing at four random strangers on the internet which I believe you usually have to pay a small fortune but this is good you've got to do this for free needless to say they've all blocked me on social media it's understandable so fantastic film fantastic issue it is on sale right now and all good and evil news agents plus virtual news agents right as well people can get this virtually also it is a cracking cracking issue of Empire made even more cracking by the fact that I did fuck all for this issue.

39:21Chris Hewitt:That's why it's so good. So I am not there to sully it with my words. Did we mention the cover?

39:27Nick de Semlyen:I just want to give a shout out to Paul Shipper. Paul Shipper created both the chilling Alien Queen subs cover holding it up now and the Flamethrower-tastic newsstand cover. As seen on Fallon tonight. Yeah, but you can't have everything. The subs cover, I love the subs cover. he did a really lovely sort of like green-tinged artwork of the Alien Queen. If you happen to be an Empire subscriber, then you should treasure it and frame it and keep it for posterity.

39:55Chris Hewitt:Nick, why is it illustrated? Why did you not use existing art?

39:58Nick de Semlyen:Because it's 40 years old and we wanted to create something fresh. Fresh and cool. And so it was a, yeah, we did the same thing with Jaws. We actually, Paul Shippard did that as well. He's an amazing artist. He's done lots for Empire. But yeah, he really can create a beautiful piece of art that really captures the energy of the film. And so that's what we did.

40:20Chris Hewitt:Not for reasons unknown. Those reasons have been explained. They have. Yeah, fantastic. Guys, it's been a pleasure. I could talk about aliens with you guys all day long, but the magazine is happening.

40:33Nick de Semlyen:That's where we have another issue. Yeah, we're a week away from finishing, and it's another good one. It's alien-free. It's alien-free. There's time for sure. we put David Fincher in a room don't get me started

40:47Chris Hewitt:I mean I can admire it as a piece of filmmaking for the most part it's okay it's not what it does to aliens is unforgivable that's why it's unforgivable but as a film the assembly cut is actually halfway decent but if we're talking cuts before we go oh no theatrical or special edition oh theatrical theatrical theatrical I do like a sentry gun yeah we're in agreement actually I know Cameron will stump for the special edition but I do think that But while some of the scenes definitely add to it, a couple of them, Hamster 1 in particular, do detract.

41:20Nick de Semlyen:Seeing the colonists ahead of time, that's not good. I think the masterstroke, and this was Gail Ann Hurd who suggested this was to lose that whole sequence, because when you're going to LV426, you have no idea. I mean, you do, because the film is fucking called Aliens. But you genuinely have no idea what's waiting for them. Whereas if you've seen the colonists, you know what's happening. I think it diffuses some of the tension there. I mean that dropship scene is so fantastic it's like that's been done a million different times in different like war films and war TV shows having the dropship like going down into something we're on an express elevator to hell going down they nailed it it's the ultimate that you can't beat that it's unimprovable that sequence is so exciting and it's the fact you're going down and you don't know what the hell is waiting for them and it's so cool and like even the planet surface is like wow I want to go watch let's go watch it let's go watch it now let's all go watch Aliens

42:11Chris Hewitt:that sequence when they're the slow bill that are going through the colony and there's obviously no one around. I'm not sure if they found Newt by this point. You know, but you have all the specimens in the jars and such a sense of dread and unease and he likes you, Burke. You know, all that stuff. Oh, it's so... It's like love. It's very sad to me. The scene with the facehuggers where they're trapped in and Burke has closed it. Yeah. What a Burke. Bastard. What a Burke. What an absolute fucking Burke. And we haven't even really talked about the end of the movie because the end of the movie is just one of the great endings of any movie.

42:46Chris Hewitt:Ripley versus the Alien Queen is iconic. Bishop's Countdown. I still, still to this day, when I watch that movie, get in the adrenaline rush when they're getting onto the dropship and Bishop appears. Ripley is forlorn because they've gone. She's about to kill herself and you. Yeah, about to jump over the barriers and then Bishop appears out of nowhere. James Horner cranks it up. they get on the ship just as the LP-426 just as the colony is about to explode spoiler for aliens yeah well fucking hell you've seen this movie by now and then they get away just in the nick of time and then this nuclear explosion because of course it's a nuclear explosion because it's James Cameron goes off behind them and it's just absolute fucking cinema and you think well that's it the movie's over but no

43:33Nick de Semlyen:it's not over there's more to come it's pretty good but is it the best exotic Marigold Hotel why I don't know

43:41Chris Hewitt:why have you said that I don't know how can we stop you

43:44Nick de Semlyen:it's definitely better than the second best exotic carol hotel it's a tie with the first we're agreed yeah I don't know I just wanted to put that out there

43:52Chris Hewitt:oh well you know it's interesting it'll be 40 years of the second

43:55Nick de Semlyen:just 15 years

43:57Chris Hewitt:the entire cast will be dead

43:59Nick de Semlyen:no they're still going strong not in 40 years they won't be

44:03Chris Hewitt:don't wrap this up this is my show I have to go and do things no I'm going to keep you here you don't get to wrap this up James, let's filibuster some more. I'm locking the door. Right, let's go through aliens scene by scene. Now, the first scene, which is, of course, the scene where the ship is picked up, the lifeboat from the Nostromo, the Narcissus, is good for a number of reasons. Nick is actually taking out his headphones. He is walking out.

44:28Nick de Semlyen:I'm going to find a facehugger so I can be chest-bursted and end my suffering.

44:33Chris Hewitt:Anyway, listen, thank you for listening to this episode of The Shameless Plug. We may be back to regular service next month. I don't know because you guys did something weird and funky last month as well which we might do that again who knows we might do a listener question thing that we did two months ago it's a changeable feast it's a movable feast who knows we'll do something different anyway in the meantime goodbye James can I dream? yeah okay good thanks we all can it's good not bad for a podcast oh Bishop have you ever done the knife thing? oh yeah I do it all the time yeah? yeah I do it with Nick I put my hand over here he's like whoa not me man I guess he didn't like the cornbread either not sped up that sequence literally not sped up that's not true that's not that's such fucking bullshit that is nonsense Lance Henriksen legend nope nope nope that is sped up there is nope you cannot no that happened I call I call chicanery on that that's absolutely sped up the word is that it in fact was not get me on that soon get me on that soon with Jim Cameron that's nonsense he did cut Bill Paxton's pinky goodbye Nick

45:53Nick de Semlyen:this podcast has very much been an express elevator to hell going down and it has been it has been a ride so thank you both

46:01Chris Hewitt:and it's goodbye from me oh and one last thing somebody wake up Hicks Bye-bye.