S15E02 - Your Tottenham Mount Rushmore?

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1:33It's the fighting. Cock. A camel. No. Hello, welcome back to another episode of the Fighting Cock podcast. We usually do this on Thursday, but it's a Friday. It's a Q &A podcast, which means people have sent in the questions, as you'd expect, and we answer whatever those questions might be. Haven't looked at any of them, don't know what they are. So this could easily be an awful podcast. Or it might be great. John's back from holidaying again in where you've been Greece yeah mate it was nice really nice 40 degrees every day number 7 of the year no not that many not that many maybe 3 4 where are we we aren't even in August um we've got left I think that's the question yeah I've got one one more booked in in September but I'll go to Malta.

2:26So that should be quite fun. The biggest great white ever caught, well, ever killed, if you like, was fat, was in Malta. Fuck. Do you know, we're talking about the, in fact, just about three weeks ago, the first great white, live great white, was spotted in the Mediterranean Sea. Breaching, trying to eat like a dead turtle or something. And that was in the Strait of, is it silly straight of i think that's what it's called in between malta and africa northern africa so in them waters where you might go swimming are indeed great white sharks well this is why you know i cannot advocate strongly enough for stone island swimwear like if you if you go swim without it you are taking your life in your own hands yeah right like i know now when i've got them on if the shark comes near me it's a little little jab just to set up the right hand and then and that's the end of it so it'll be fine but for others you've got to be more prepared you can't take chances I'm afraid Mark how are you?

3:33good I'm good I'm stressed I'm going on holiday next week but is it a holiday when you've got two young kids? holiday no and it's not we're not even holiday it's just time off we've got shit loads of housework to do I've got to do some skimming and plastering and painting so you're not going on holiday and And nah, it's just time off, isn't it? Right. So you're telling us that you've got some time off work. That's your opening gambit to the fighting cardboard club. Yeah. And then in that, you've got to do some skimming. It's a bit weak, isn't it? Yeah, that is weak. It was very weak. Let's go to the questions then.

4:06Actually, before we do, boys, oh shit, the first question. You're not going to believe this. Flav, can you explain your interest in sharks? You've mentioned it a few times over the years. You spoke to Lee Dixon about sharks one time. I did. Do you remember that story, boys? I went to dinner bizarrely with Glenn Hoddle, Ian Wright, a harem of women and Lee Dixon. And who's the little presenter who's on like, he presents like the Euros and World Cups. Mark Pugach. He was there as well. Mark Pugach is like five foot three. And they were all lovely, but just found myself, me and Lee, just sitting quietly while everyone else talked.

4:46and he spoke about living in California where he lives and he surfs, or I think it was California somewhere, and he surfs and then we just started talking about sharks. I don't know, man. It comes from being a kid and going to the library and finding something to read and I always went to the shark section since Jaws.

5:06Yeah, it was a childhood obsession is what the question was. Yes, that's correct. Have you seen that documentary on Netflix, that Ocean Ramsey moment? Yeah, yeah, yeah. if anyone hasn't seen it it's a fascinating watch like just the footage they get of her with sharks I would say that's some of the best footage I've ever seen definitely of any sort of even if you're not interested in sharks just animals in general that's some of the best footage I've ever seen yeah there's one bit which is incredible but I know this story and I've seen the pictures before you know she's quite a controversial character like people don't like her in the shark fraternity because she's too hands on with the sharks but there's this giant great white turns up and it is ginormous.

5:46It's a pregnant female and she just swims with it. It's fucking insane. Anyway, I don't want to talk about Sharks. This is a Spurs podcast and I want to get your thoughts on the fact that it seems certain now that Ho Min Son is going to leave the football club. I don't know if it's true about the idea that he has contracted to play in South Korea when we go over there. It would make sense because why else? We wouldn't go over there without him. and it just feels like he wants to move on. There's offers now from LAFC. Would you make of that, Mark? Feels right, feels about the right time? Yeah, I think so.

6:24I think it's the right time. I think it's the right kind of league for him. I think it makes sense for everyone involved. I think, like, he's, I think he'll be, you know, Frank is outwardly going to come out and publicly say, oh, you know, you know he's a legend at the club and it'll be a big miss and all that sort of stuff but it's right for the team as well and you know it's it's the last piece of this kind of transitional cycle i i feel like last last large piece anyway um so yeah and um you know he'll do well over there he'll he'll wipe the floor with with 50 60 percent of the players playing over there still at 33 so um yeah i think it's good and you know you'll get you'll get a good salary and stuff like that and like the guy's got I mean he is he is wadded right so he won't be going there for the money I think he wants to still go to somewhere where he can still enjoy his freedoms and there's still a level of profile for him so yeah enjoy his freedom he's not living in North Korea but if he goes to Saudi right like that would be that's the other that's the other it's really it's these two leagues that have been mooted for him isn't it it's the Saudi leagues or it's the the MLS really that's kind of the biggest kind of destinations we've heard about unless I don't see him going to Europe I can't do it nah what do you make of it John?

7:51yeah I think I think it's one of those where we'll never really know this but if he's like I want to start every game for Spurs and Frank said to him like I just that's not going to happen and he's gone okay fair enough and he's now like in a position where he's like well I want to go and play some football and play somewhere and that's what you know he wants to do then I'm all for it. If it's like, no I want to stay here, I don't care if I'm on the bench and Frank's like, nah, see you later, get fucked. That will make me quite sad. I'm not saying that either of those scenarios have happened. We will never know that.

8:22But basically I guess where I'm at is I just want Sonny to be comfortable with the outcome of whatever happens because I think he's earned the right to have somewhat of a say in what happens. If we just look at the raw facts, Mark Toshman, he's 33, right it's like that's an age when a player leaves the top level typically right there's some obviously some exceptions to that rule he's going out on a high with a trophy in the bag like breaking that hoodoo he goes out as an absolute like irrefutable legend of the football club one of the best players the premier league's ever seen it's kind of a perfect way to go out like we saw even last season right when he was his talents are obviously starting to diminish somewhat he's still got I think I think 22 combined goal and assists it's not bad it's like pretty decent right so like it's not like he's had an absolute stinking season to finish if he goes out now there's nothing but positive memories so I feel like this is really good timing all around for everyone and yeah it'd be nice if he just goes to the US it's like a completely inoffensive league it just kind of helps him continue the brand of Hume Min Son, absolute goat legend.

9:31So yeah, if he goes, we'll wish him all the best. He'll leave the biggest legend we've had in decades. Oh, gotcha. He's my favourite player of all time. Is he on Tottenham Rushmore, do you think? He should be. He would be the modern era. Of all time. Yeah, he would be the modern era one for me. I would put him above Kane. Yeah. Because he's won the trophy. He's won the trophy as captain. Kane would be there. as well. I think Kane and Son are there, but who else? Kane wouldn't be there, you think? I don't know if Kane would be. I think Kane, like... I come through our academy record goalscorer he's got.

10:11The best player we've ever had. I don't know. He's got to be. Is it? Because what's your hesitation, Mark? I don't know. Maybe it's just, maybe I'm just still bitter. I don't know. I think if he goes on there, I think that pushes Son out. Because you can't, like, you know, you have to have Hoddle on there. You have to have, probably Blanche Flower on there. Yeah. So then there's one slot left. Like, who are you taking off? I mean, you have your mobile. I'm not just going. You know, you've got a couple... Yeah. A couple Argentinians there who would be in with a shout as well. Like, it's a tough one, isn't it?

10:43No. I don't think both Kane and Son make it, if I'm honest with you. All right, if you're picking one, it's got to be Son. Yeah, you can't have a player on the Mount Rushmore who doesn't have a trophy. Like, that's what we constantly get told. They have to have a trophy. like Ledley has a league cup that's still a trophy and he's still one of the best players we've seen like Kane still with the club exactly so if Ledley doesn't go on because you know we didn't see enough and we didn't do enough but he did he has captain the side to a trophy not like you can make an of course you can make an argument for Kane of course you can I'm just saying if it came down to those two I think you have to reward Son's loyalty I think that's how it should work.

11:27And ultimately, he stayed to win a trophy with Tottenham. Now look, there's been a lot of other players who've done fucking amazing things in their career after Tottenham. Gareth Bale, Luka Modric, and now Harry Kane. But if they don't do it for Spurs, I don't really care. So this isn't Mount Rushmore of the best players who ever at some point played for Spurs. It should be what they've done for Spurs. And yeah, he's got a fuck ton load of goals, but Sonny delivered a trophy and a fucking big one as captain and has scored a shitload of goals and assists. So, I think it's got to be Sonny, hasn't it?

11:59Mate, I'd love to know what other people think. Maybe if you're listening to this, get involved in maybe the Spotify comments or on Reddit when we post it. Who you think Tottenham's Mount Rushmore would be. If like, Bill Nick, you can't, if it's player Mount Rushmore, I think mine would be Kane, Son, Blanche Flower, Hoddle. Very solid. And obviously, see, we never saw Blanche, but I've lived through the words and stories that my dad would tell me and my granddad before him, and just the fact that his quotes still ring out, you know, it'd have to be him. Yeah, so, interesting. Do you know what I'm quite excited by now?

12:41I've kind of, the more I think about it, the possible sign of Jao Palina. I know he isn't the ball playing he can't pass fuck off does he destroy people does he does he break people up with his tackling does he like going through a slide tackle going through a player if the answer's yes then I want him oh he can't pass fuck you of course he can pass he's a professional footballer what do you say John train him coach him to pass coach him do you remember when do you remember when Liverpool didn't have a six and then she went oh Gravenberg should you just play six we'll just teach you I'll play that and he went yeah and he became the best fucking six in the league for a season it's not that fucking complicated I hate all this no he's an eight they can play somewhere else they don't have to be an eight forever if they've got the required body and skill set and stuff you can mould players into different positions these ideas that like that you only can play in this certain position that's it and oh no they can't play on the left side as an eight all this is just modern like nonsense Mark said something really interesting in the last pod that said that there aren't really people like this idea about positions you said positions are a bit of a waste of time when thinking about you know the general in the modern game anyway yeah the modern game is so physical and so you have to like there's so much running and energy and so much rotation going on in game constantly I mean how many pods have we either sat on or listened to when we're talking about Frank how he's going to line up and stuff and we're talking about three or four formations in a single game like people move around a six isn't just in a six you're not you're not just in that dm position for the entire game and you know what we're talking about when we're talking sixes and and i agree with with you john if if like a six coming to us wouldn't would be asked to do slightly different things now though under ang and so on and any other club but um we're talking about a creative six right like we want a high energy creative passer in the six It's like that's three different things if you're thinking in the usual ways of football formations.

14:54So it just doesn't really work. The numbers are good when you're just talking. So you quickly understand and you're being concise about what you're talking about. Like in the real world, yeah, to your point, Pelinia was a destroyer for Fulham. Has gone to Bayern and been asked to do something else. and maybe that hasn't worked out or he's not going on with people there or whatever. Let's not say he couldn't come to us do a lot of the good stuff we liked at Fulham but also be much more of a part and build up. You're looking at stats and all the stats nonsense are, you know, and I'm... You're one of them, yeah.

15:24You'll both look at me now and go, you're one of them, yeah. We'll look at stats but a lot of that is contextual to how they've been asked to play and they're only performing on the basis of that. So, yeah, for sure. I love the guy. I think he's a don. I think if there's a chance for us let's get him in. yeah for sure just to expand on what mark's saying there but i think that's exactly right like if you're if you're looking at like the word is he a good six it's like well it depends what type of six that you want if in bayern's team you've always got the fucking ball right 99 of most games you've got the ball so your six how much destroy is more like exactly you're better of playing like pierlo there and just going just find passes just fucking ping balls do what you want because you don't have to protect the back four because you've got the ball whereas if you're looking at for like for our side where we want to maybe potentially play with like high fullbacks and high attacking and we want to be able to have a little bit of protection um in front of our back four and also Romero likes to come forward with the ball and plays out from the back and someone that can just give a bit of cover there then the passing becomes less important and someone who can get the ball back becomes massively important to us you know how much passing are you doing if you have the ball fucking nothing so we need to be able to have someone that can do that and at the moment i don't feel like we have like like i said before right you can have a lot of players who could play six quote unquote play six what we don't have is someone who can play six and destroy people and get the ball and is physically aggressive and dominant i think that would be quite nice i think that would complement what we already have because we actually do have some like decent players in the in the team who can find some passes and we're obviously looking at players like Morgan Gibbs-White, who are good passers of the football.

17:03So you don't need... I mean, look, there's Rodri, basically, who can do all the stuff that Mark described to a high, high level in world football. Because there just aren't that many, and if there were, everyone would be trying to buy them. So you do have to complement that with a few different players. So I'm all for it, and like you said, Flav, get them on loan for a season with an option. Lovely stuff. Get them in, boy. Yeah, and then you remember when he was supposed to be going to Bayern Munich, it was Tuchel that was in charge of them. and he's a too cool player. So, yeah, I wouldn't hate it at all.

17:34I think that all would work quite well. NoSheepherder7257, he says, with some exciting young talent coming through and new signings like Kudus and Tell, what specific player development milestones or squad cohesion improvements will be crucial in 25-26 to indicate that Thomas Frank is not just managing existing talent, but actively building a cohesive, progressive squad capable of competing at the highest level for years to come rather than simply replying on individual brilliance. What?

18:11This guy got the wrong podcast. What the fuck do you want from us?

18:18I don't even know how you would ask. It's Friday afternoon, brother. What's the question? What do you want us to say? Just give me a fucking mic, man. I think, I mean, I'll have a go. I'll have a go at it. Go on. I think there will be opportunities to see player progression through the season based on how well generally the team are playing. For the same reason you can't necessarily dismiss Tell's potential because of some of the performance we saw last year and how at times ineffective he was because the wider system was failing around him and around all the players. and because of the circumstance it was impossible to see, with a cohesive unit that's sort of solid and working together and a group of players understand what their role is and how effective they can be, based on Thomas Frank's instruction, then naturally Tell will be given an opportunity to play without the risk of us conceding needless goals and the mood changing around him.

19:22So I think it'd be less about whether or not we can see Thomas Frank physically or actually having an immediate impact on the individual player rather it'll be a it will be a slow build and general eventual understanding that these players are improving I think anyone want to add more or have I nailed it have I fucking knocked it out the part you did you did nail it I guess all I'd say is is like yours I guess see specific improvements in numbers as well, right? Like players like Tell, there's like a lot of, I think we can all see there's something there if his output is just like double figures goals, double figures assist you can tell that he's playing better Let me ask you a question, John, just based on exactly what you're saying, Humin Son, if he's replacing him on the left hand side he had a combined 16 goals and assists in the league last season which was a joint heist with James Madison he'd need to put up 16 goals and assists next season for it to be a success at 19 slash 20 years old that's a big ask but if you can and his talent should allow and the amount of money that's been invested in him 16 goals and assists like next season would be a good mark perometer of success well that would answer both those points wouldn't it it would be one tell actually performing really well so it would show improvement from frank but it would also illustrate that the team is performing pretty well right you're putting attacking players in good positions in good positions consistently that would indicate hopefully that the team were performing pretty well as well so yeah and i think that's that's a good point i think um i think that's a good barometer for frank's success with us as well and i i definitely expect him to to oh maybe succeed is like a little bit too bold but i i expect him to expect to see better performances from these kind of players um i think he will go in wanting to work closer with the younger talent that's his background right he came through youth coaching he's very much a like a people person and you know believes strongly in values and all that kind of stuff and will work directly with people would be very personal and very direct um and way more engaged directly with ang even though everyone had and i'm not slagging off ang but as much as he was great at getting a group up it was always uh like a space between him and the individuals and everyone that former players that you speak that you've heard we've heard from have said that even though he was great a great motivator and everyone wanted to run through walls for him and lots of stuff you can never really get close to him right and and frank is the opposite and for younger players that will be invaluable that this this is a guy who you're whatsapping them on a sunday or if they have a kid he'll be the first to to send them a message and oh you know well done and like he'll always be be kind of generous with his life advice.

22:23So I think a lot of our younger players, is my point, very long-windedly made, will value that. And maybe on the flip side, our more established kind of bit older and potentially even our Romeros and so on might not get as much from him as what we'll see from sort of those younger players. So, yeah. Before the season even kicks off, soccer fans are already making predictions. Who wins the league? Who qualifies for Europe? And who's lifting the trophy at season's end? On Calci, America's number one prediction market platform. You're trading against peers in a live market, meaning there's no house.

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23:34What propels you? Propel with Gatorade electrolytes. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, But Gemini and Chrome? That's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required, compatibility and availability varies 18+. Well, I remember you've got Cochrane there as well, Justin Cochrane, who has a track record of developing young players.

24:09It's not just Thomas Frank. it's the team that he's brought out with from Brentford and the fact that Cochran's here is they you know Brentford would have made him the manager of Brentford if he hadn't come over with Frank but we know that to be the fact and he's lost he's left sort of prominent positions I think he was at Man United in terms of player development for a stage so we've got someone who is probably top of his field in the UK full of energy at only 43 and really can kind of elevate his position at Tottenham by developing players like Mattis Tell and when when there was this idea that we weren't potentially going to buy Mattis Tell and maybe send him back some people weren't impressed with what last season I was really disheartened I really thought there was a really good opportunity to to buy and develop one of the best talents in Europe and for his age I've said this before but for 19 years old to be as even sparingly influential is rare it's rare I know people might compare him to other players that came through, like Saka was playing at 19 and Foden was playing at 19.

25:15I get it. I'm not saying that there aren't 19-year-olds who have been consistently good in the Premier League, but they are generally elite footballers, certainly the ones you notice. So if we've got one of those, we may well do have, then it's good that we've got the opportunity now to see it come to fruition. RubikQPC, he says, do you worry the expectations are too high for frank i feel like unless we're consistently winning games in the league that that will start to hear people shouting frank out even if we went back to having a half decent season like andrew's first where we finished just outside the champion league qualification and no trophy will everyone everyone be satisfied i have a feeling this trophy has already poisoned some of our fan base to expect that we'll win a trophy every year obviously i want us to compete on all grounds and win things regularly but it's hard to believe we will start winning trophies every year after the drought we've all suffered through.

26:13Do you think there's a risk, John, in this season that if Frank doesn't start well or things don't go exactly how people want him to and we're not challenging for Champions League places, would there be an appetite in the fan base to get rid of him early doors? it's interesting isn't it because like my perspective is and my perception is that actually is the opposite which is that the pressure's off a little bit because one we've won that trophy so there isn't this spurs are going to win a trophy thing immediately when he's only just joined the club right that's gone so we don't have to worry about that so much we also had a fucking stinking league season so assuming that frank doesn't drag us down to the championship that will be an improvement and I expect him to do so so I haven't seen this like feeling of oh he needs to win a trophy and like I expect us I personally just have not seen that so yeah I can't really say that that's been something that's been in the front of my mind I've kind of looked at it it feels to me like it's almost like there's more excitement building of now people are getting to know Frank a little bit and starting to learn a bit more about what he wants to do and how he wants to work and we're seeing players like Vuscovic coming in just doing ridiculous things in friendlies it's that pre-season buzz and excitement now maybe that's just my own kind of optimistic view that I'm projecting on what I'm seeing I completely accept that but that's what it feels like to me the only disappointment I've got is that we're not we're doing what we always do which is we're not signing players quickly enough but there is clearly work being done there and the signing that we have made in Kudus I'm very pleased with so I'm not seeing that and I don't know you boys tell me if I'm wrong but I've not seen that feeling of oh we should be winning and if he doesn't do it he's gone I haven't seen that.

28:00No I think it's a fair point from the commenter though in that we do have a fan base that can be quite fragile and reactive but I think he'll be given there's being reactive and then there's and what I would say is actually what you read online is a small percentage of what the actual fan base feel. And if you're getting irritated by people online, then spend less time on it. That's what I do anyway.

28:34Just interestingly, I was talking to James Alcott about Kudus, who obviously has no interest in Tottenham really other than knowing me. And he said he thinks that signing is sensational. he thinks it's so much better than it's been given credit for and it's sort of flown under the radar to some degree and he thinks he will be absolutely sensational at Tottenham next season so that was good to hear yeah I like that, thanks James yeah yeah

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31:03Do you? I don't mind her. I would border along saying I despise her, John. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Why? Because she perpetuates everything that's wrong with the modern society. But is she perpetuating it? Or is she just reporting on it and going, this is something that people do? I also partake in it a bit myself. So I'm showing you how it is. Are you trying to censor Olivia Atwood? Absolutely. A journalist, that is Olivia Atwood. Journalist, yeah. Who is Olivia Atwood? Sorry. Former Love Islander. Slash journalist. Now she's a journalist. Slash journalist. But basically what she does is like ITV fodder of like, ITVB and ITV2 fodder of like, her shows are basically like people that do cosmetic stuff.

31:49So it'd be like one week it'll be skin and it'll be people that go get the tans done or have like some sort of colouring put in their pigment. Next week it'll be like boobs and it'll be like boob jobs and different types of boob jobs and it's basically talking to people that are getting that shit done. It's one of those shows that like you just throw on in the background to rot your brain. I just think her, I think she's extremely damaging to young women and anybody who has body issues, body conscious. I do. And the worst part of it for me, do you remember Bradley Dack? Is that name ring a bell?

32:23Blackman? Was it Blackman? Yeah, it's sensational talent at one point during his career but crippled by injuries. um so she goes out with him he's lying on the on the bed and he's she's like well i don't have a stomach so i don't think you should and he's looking at her and going you're a fucking idiot i'm gonna do what i want but is that right is that like mark does your wife go to you can you do you know it's fucking i don't want to go out with a little danish weeble anymore skinny but fat yeah legs like matchsticks can i just apologize right because i take every opportunity for always bullying me yeah yeah i am i do do that and i'm sorry yeah and and what i will say you fucking you this second pod in a row where you've done the same thing you're just doing now so it doesn't fucking mean no no i apologize i'm like me up first and then you apologize i know no i'm gonna apologize i'm gonna apologize to you firstly first and i mean this mark Mark, I am sorry for body shaming you, for making light of your Nordic heritage, because it's ridiculous.