S15E05 - Made To Destroy

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1:43It's a fighting. Cock! It's a fighting. It's a fighting. Cock! Oh, come on, son! No! Hello boys, welcome back to the Fighting Cop podcast. Apologies for there not being an episode on Monday. I was away, I was doing work and none of the boys are available, too busy having lives. So yeah, there was no pod, but there was a lot happening. You know, Son Hunmin, he's gone, he's decided£20 million transfer to LAFC, confirmed. Paulini assigned, which was good. We played Newcastle and Daniel Levy did an interview with Gary Neville. so while most other podcasts I'm sure have already covered that we're going to cover it again and some more this would have been a Q &A podcast and some people might know especially if they use Reddit I'll put out a request are you drinking whiskey out of a book?

2:42what is that? no it's a flat bottle a flat bottle? why? yeah well it's much easier so if you think about a normal water bottle it's obviously like cylindrical and most people have like a backpack or like a holdall. Laptop bag maybe? Yeah, laptop bag, exactly. So a bottle doesn't fit in them. It's really annoying. So I saw this advert online for like flat water bottles and I was like, that's a fucking brilliant idea. So I bought one. But it does look like a whiskey flask. So I've been drinking it on client calls and I can see people going, is this geezer just fucking smashing whiskey? It looks like a device that alcoholics use to hide the fact they're drinking, like in Happy Gilmore 2, I don't know if you've seen that yet.

3:31There's basically everyday objects, but there's whiskey in them. It looks like one of them. I think it looks like a giant vape. Yeah, it does look like that. It does, yeah, it does. Right, you heard Mark as well. How you doing, Mark? Yeah, he's still recording in Danish in your pod? Yeah, we did one the other day. good yeah in danish so it doesn't matter there's no point in danish yeah the minute you start to record in english well you can promote it as much as you want um that's good okay yes so this was going to be a q a podcast on uh on on uh and and we request questions on reddit often and i posted it up and i'm like i better check see if there's been any response i've used my personal uh reddit account with my name on it and I have no idea what I've said on in that account over the last five years longer than that I've had it about 10 years I don't know what's on there at all so I've had to delete the lot I've deleted it got rid of it I don't know what's on there I'm pretty sure I'm cool I'm fine but I don't I've been drunk so much in that 10 period 10 10 year period but yep it's been deleted so I haven't got a reddit account anymore because of this stupid mistake.

4:52The thing is, right, you know, like, I get accused of it often. Well, we all do it for a joke, right? You see, like, someone tweet something absolutely insane and you'll be like, oh, this is Mark's burner account or this is Flav's burner account. Yeah. I genuinely don't know how people do it because I definitely would fuck up. Like, if I had a burner account, I would do it. I would make that mistake exactly and just tweet something completely insane. We've read it. Your icon is so small on the top right hand side that it's just, it's not like Twitter. It's sort of more difficult to find out. So, yeah, I've had to delete it.

5:23Ten years of my history just gone because I don't know what was on there. Maybe I did a racism ten years ago. I don't know. I don't think I did, but I just couldn't take that chance. How long was it up for? Do you think people might have already been on there and screenshots and stuff? Possibly. I don't think so because I don't think there's any on there. But if there is and I get caught, just please, you know, I've just got to feed the kids and the wife and I've just bought a house. Just got to deny it. It's the Epstein files all over again, isn't it? It never existed, yeah. It wasn't there. Very true.

5:58Hello, boys. How are you doing? Good. We haven't spoken since James Madison was injured.

6:07Catastrophic, I think. Could be. How many points do you think James Madison was worth to Spurs this season? 10? 15? Yeah, 15. Minimum. Yeah, I think even just outside of directly calculable goals and assists, just having that type of player available also contributes to points. It's a massive blow, absolutely enormous. I think this would have been massive if we'd have signed another 10 already and then we lost him, would have been massive. Now it's fucking Titanic scales. it's basically you know the sort of disaster film Tower and Inferno it's Tower and Inferno and Titanic so basically we're on the Titanic and it's on fire and it's sinking so you're either going to get engulfed by flame or you're going to drown that's what we're currently doing with having zero tens in this squad we need two one of them is injured so that's good well we're not don't like to be overdramatic you know me I like to keep it nice and sensible nice and calm I don't think we're going to there's no I mean, there is a chance because we've seen it before, but we're surely not going to go into this going, well, Kudus can play in the 10.

7:22They're going to sign someone, surely. Like, to your coach, you go, just pay the money, just get him through, right? At this point, it's so important that we do that, that I'm with you. I'll happily back you in this and just going, it doesn't matter if it costs 68 million to Baeza and you have to pay£35 million out front. Let's get it done. Let's go to... Do another share issue. Do whatever you need to do to raise the money to get Ezra in now. He's available. You can buy him. Madison could well be out for another fucking seven months, eight months. We can't go into this season without a 10. Not with Frank's system, you'd imagine.

8:13So please don't make this mistake. What do you think will happen, Mark? No, I'd like to think that we get someone over the line. Someone that can comfortably... Because, you know, we do need someone there. I'm loathe to say we just need anyone, but we're kind of getting to that point. I know he's been trialling Sar in that kind of more advanced role. And, you know, he got a couple of goals and all that sort of stuff. but it's pre-season, who cares? He isn't the creative outlet that we need there. But also to John's point, Madison is, you know, like genuinely, if Madison didn't have as many injury issues, he'd be our next captain.

8:58Like he's a huge part of the squad. You know, you hear so many interviews with him all the time. He's a big voice. He's a very senior player. He's an England international as well. obviously not enough caps but like I genuinely think he'd be up there competing with Romero about that armband but I just don't think he'll get it because he's just not going to play as much I mean he could be out if this is an ACL I don't think it's been confirmed what it is but that could be nine months from now like you know that's that's most of the season we start the season starts in just over just over yeah that's I mean if it's an ACL this season's done it's done it's done yeah there's no point accounting for him really I mean are we moving to a situation given the fact that he's had three significant injuries now what would this be his second that was his second season wasn't it he's had three and if it is an ACL that's missing for so many games are we going to have to start preparing or adapting for the future like the you know we love Madison I love Madison I've been banging his drum all summer saying watch what he does next year but we have to almost forget he exists now we have to we have to plan for his replacement and anyway most of us would have wanted two 10s like that anyway you could have said skied it out I don't know what the fuck is happening at Tottenham why we just can't keep our players just can't stay fit I don't know what's going on yeah everyone said it was I know it's just one injury and I know it's a freak injury to be fair but I don't know man yeah I think it's a combination of things I think we've definitely been unlucky and I think some of these players might be slightly more brittle than others but I do think Ange and the pressure of last season kind of got to them and I think we'll still see that affecting certainly we know it's affecting pre-season obviously we're talking about that right now but that's still going to affect us into next season but Frank's style will be less taxing on the players and hopefully the squad will be wider as well.

11:09So we have, you know, I don't think we're going to be as injury-plagued as last season. Well, we can't. I hope not. Yeah, it's impossible. I mean, we might as well give up if it does. That's possible. Yeah, let's just stop. Just stop. On Mathers, though, like, he was, he's always been injury-prone. Like, I remember that season where Leicester got relegated. He was out for a lot of that and they were hoping that when he came back, it would make a difference. but he missed a massive chunk of that. I think he's always had his injury problems. He's that type of player, that sort of creative, diminutive kind of footballer that will take injuries.

11:47And yeah, he's just not robust enough to go through. This one obviously seems to be one of the worst he's had and I agree with Mark, it's probably a season over. So how old is he? He's 27, 28, right? So like if you have an ACL at that age, it's going to be pretty rough from here on in if you've already had this many injuries so I do think there is a world where I'm not saying in this summer by the way but we definitely need to sign one really decent 10 whether that's Eze or someone else and we should be looking at who is that next one because I think when we signed Bergvall I think a lot of people were like okay he's like a longer term 10 and I think what we're seeing with him is he's more likely to be a sort of box-to-box energetic eight type of player he doesn't at this moment in time doesn't look like a madison type so we're still going to need to sign another one um within the next couple of transfer windows uh in terms of are we going to do that you're right flav like we did stump up the money to like uh what we thought was going to release uh morgan gives white so that didn't happen in the end that was around the sort of 60 million mark so we're not talking about that much more to get Eze and obviously the structure of that yeah yeah exactly yeah that's the only issue that's like potentially difficult but as the sort of end of the transfer window gets closer and closer and closer Palace maybe look at that thing maybe this is the summer we do let him go and actually it's worth taking slightly different structural like payment terms on that blah blah so that that one remains to be seen and also look they obviously wanted to sign Warren Gibbs White I think that would have been a really good solution for a few different positions and would have been fine now had this happened and that disappearing means that they probably are looking at like alternative options and look i think one of our biggest issues it isn't as we've seen before isn't necessarily about spending money no we definitely do spend money we don't spend it very well and i think that we do take too long to do deals and watch other deals go by because we're sort of being indecisive and i think we're seeing a lot of movement for players that we could potentially move for just for whatever happened we haven't seen that at the moment and that might be because it's happening behind the scenes but either way it's not uh it's not comfortable because i think we all know that we need this position so hopefully can i hurry the fuck up and just sign someone please indeed someone decent um yeah he's just on madison's injury record um missed five games in his first full season five in the next 23 games he missed in 2021 2-8 the next two seasons and for Spurs it's been 13-11 and now potentially fucking 55 we'll see, we'll see what happens did you catch Daniel Levy's interview with Gary Neville?

14:32nah you didn't watch it John? I find it really boring, I find anything like that extremely boring and if it was good people would be talking about it but all that happens is you go do you see it yeah it was yeah it was just walking around talking yeah of course it was he's he's fucking daniel levy he's not he's not gonna go surprise i've got 400 billion here to spend on players lol i just thought i'd save it for this interview it is classic pr walking around talking about the stadium and talking about how they've done really well and how the the psr rules are blah blah blah and the finances are challenging and look what we've done since we moved ground and we're investing in this and they'll say all the right things about how they care about the football club and it's all about what happens on the pitch is really important it's the same shit over and over again whether it's gary neville whether it's v9 him talking about red wine or me and you flav down the pub with levy he's not going to say anything other than what he already says yeah i find anything like that mind-blowing didn't watch the v9 one didn't watch this won't watch the langer one no no i don't care about any of that I find it extremely boring just get me some better players and what I care about is what happens on the pitch that's it all this other stuff is fucking mind numbing it was quite interesting though for me I found it quite that's good that's great well that's you know it's more super cool isn't it I find it mind numbing if you found it interesting then it was it was worthwhile peak fighting cock this is peak fighting cock by the way Flavgards did any of you watch this thing John spends seven minutes slating the whole thing off, slagging it off and then flag goes, yeah, I was going to quit.

16:11Well, I did, I did, I thought it was, look, John, you're right. I did too, man. Huh? Go on. I did too, go on. Yeah, exactly. You're 100 % Spartan, we didn't find out anything. The most interesting parts, really, were about his, the Premier League structure and the governance and the sort of subtle comments about Daniel Levy and his views on regulation in football. I find that stuff quite interesting, but the Spurs bit, which, and I think a lot of Spurs fans went into this going, right, this is all going to be about Tottenham, and it weren't really. It was about the stadium, it was about governance, and there was a bit about Tottenham.

16:47But the alarming thing again for me was, he said, the question from Gary Neville is, will you back, well, he said, will you give everything Frank needs to be successful? And Daniel Levy said, of course, we'll try it. And then And he said, well, you give him the money. And he didn't say anything. Now, again, he's not ever going to quote on that. But what was clear is he's not going to shift from what he's been doing. And that he is still the power broker at the football club. And not that we didn't know that anyway. And he's not going to think outside the box. I think he thinks what Chelsea are doing and what Liverpool are doing in this summer isn't sustainable.

17:33and you know the Liverpool stuff isn't sustainable but they didn't spend previously and they won the league so there's plenty of money around for them but he's never going to operate the way somebody's other chairman operate in order to give their club the advantage and that if he's not if we're not going to spend in the way these other clubs spend in and including Arsenal we're never going to catch him and that's the worrying thing I don't know I love this idea that Harry Neville's like are you going to give Frank what he needs to be successful and leave you like yeah and he goes are you gonna give him the money for players and he doesn't say anything so in his mind he's like right i'm giving him all the things he needs to be successful so then i'm thinking well what is that right and frank's just in his office right day one levy just knocks on his door and just walks in with a couple of taste the difference chocolate muffins and goes here you go this is what you need to be successful frank's like well i could probably just do with some better players to be honest levy's like got it i'm with you i'll be back comes back with one of those like ikea like multiple tool sets you know it's got like a hammer in there and then like a little screwdriver and like all this thing and the next day he comes back with all this different stuff and ultimately frank's just like daniel why do you keep giving me all this stuff and he's like this is this is what you need for success and he's like no what i need is some fucking players you little mug because that's what else is it what else could it possibly be yeah we're gonna give everything he needs for success all he needs is fucking players what he doesn't need a bouncy Castle or a fucking two for one on Nando's deal.

19:01He needs better players. What else could it possibly be to give him? We've got the best training ground in the world getting him Beyonce tickets. Is that it? What is it? Daniel LV's rebuttal to that as he mentioned would have been that we've spent£700 million net since the stadium opened. The problem with that is that is true and we should have done so much better potentially with that£700 million. and perhaps this new structure that's been put in place with Venkatesham and Langer, and Langer's, I think, has been pretty much a net success since he took over. They've got to make these better decisions, basically.

19:43Anyway, what were your take-homes, Mark? Yeah, no, look, I agree with all that, but it's kind of, I think the first thing that I took note of of the programme was that this wasn't for, even though it was billed as like, you know, Ange and Frank and Spurs and Levy and like, obviously it was clickbait for Spurs fans. It wasn't about Spurs. It was about a lot of different topics. And that makes sense because it's the overlap, right? It's a football, it's a general football program. It's not a Spurs program. So I got that. And I, you know, I thought some of the points he had, and you know, he is the longest serving chairman in the Premier League.

20:18So getting his opinion on things like PSR and regulator, you know, we have a government regulation coming in soon to the Premier League. All that stuff's boring. Jon Bass is already about to log off just because I'm talking about it. But getting his opinion on that, objectively seen from a football fan's perspective, is good and is interesting. But yeah, from a Spurs point of view, I didn't expect anything. But I think if you went into that thinking you were going to get lots of big reveals, then you're kidding yourself. It's Daniel Levy. I thought it was a good... Maybe, you know... We don't hear much from Levy, so you're always kind of wondering like what's you know what's he doing what's it what his focus is and all that sort of stuff and it is good to see him speaking about things and sometimes speaking about things that aren't spurs you sort of get a bit of a better understanding about the the guy um or the man the person the character and all that sort of stuff um so i thought it was interesting for that as well um but yeah i didn't expect him to say you know we're gonna sign rodrigo in this window or like you know we're aiming to win both the premier league and the champions league and this this is how we're going to do it.

21:21He just wasn't going to say that. So yeah, I thought it was interesting, but I like boring shit like that. The other thing that was worrying about it is that you were just mentioning regulation again and you're like, fucking no one's fucking talking about regulation, Daniel. We're not sitting here waiting for regulation to kick in. Spending restrictions, things are going to be much more difficult. It hasn't been the case. It has been for most people. PSR has teeth because if it didn't, Newcastle would be top of the league with all the players it does have teeth right it isn't ineffective it's just you can if you want be creative enough to get round it and Chelsea have been that so while there are clubs that are being able to get round it and creative enough to get round it weight and regulation isn't going to win us the league and we don't want you're you're right but what it will do is it will start to level the playing field and we look the other thing I'd It hasn't with certain clubs, has it?

22:21It's not with Chelsea. No, but you've also got to... PSR and FFP, these things are quite new. In the grand scheme of things... I'm a big fan of it. More macro. And so am I. I think there should be more regulation. I don't necessarily think the government's the right. Like, as Levy does, I agree with him on that. I don't know if the government's the right. But the FA just don't have the clout to do it right now. They're completely toothless. They can't do anything. It's too late. but there does need to be regulation otherwise we would have a situation where we're sat here completely outside of the top six because Newcastle have been bought by a nation state and can spend the reason why you have like an absolute avalanche of crying, moaning, fuming Newcastle fans all over social media right now because they're being blocked by PSR I love it I'm fucking getting no work done just injecting, crying scouters.

23:13The reason why they aren't beyond players isn't because of PSR it's because they would rather go anywhere else. Like Sesco Is that too but PSR too though? Of course it is PSR because they could just offer them like 500 grand a week. They could just offer 200 million like for stupid players and then they would eventually come. Like money talks and they just wouldn't be able to do that. But you're right they have to they're being forced to play sort of by the rules and then PSR does the last or sorry the city of Newcastle and their team does the rest of it and Eddie Howe um yeah well okay um what else was there uh Paulina signed that's positive I'm quite happy about that I've been watching all of the uh YouTube videos as I do I watch all the tactics guys and all the stats guys and most of them are saying what a great signing there was a guy from Athletic he's they know what they're talking about over there don't they he's used to work for the Athletic did a video on him and um I think we've probably signed the best number six in the world.

24:14I don't know. It seems like that anyway. So if we have, that's good. I like his demeanor as well. I mean, he's either six. He's passing stats as well, John. Like, we don't know, right? My understanding is that he just destroys people and he can't kick a ball, right? That's how people have described him. You watch him, he can fucking pass. Before the season even kicks off, soccer fans are already making predictions. Who wins the league? Who qualifies for Europe? and who's lifting the trophy at season's end. On Calci, America's number one prediction market platform, you're trading against peers in a live market, meaning there's no house.

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26:02This episode is brought to you by Facebook. So you were scrolling on Marketplace, and there it was, the bike you'd been searching for. You sent a message, and it turned out the seller was super chatty, kind of funny, and an avid cyclist. The next thing you know, you're in a cycling crew. Well, a community cycling group. The thing about Facebook, you might find more than what you're looking for. From a browse to a bike ride, this summer, find more on Facebook. he's a professional football he's international for Portugal I can't bear I can't bear he's a six but he can't pass of course he can fucking pass you don't play in the Premier League you've got to pass like is he Pirlo no of course he's not but he can pass is he Xavi and Iniesta no of course he's not but he can fucking pass he only needs to pass it to someone who can pass as good as them that's what you're talking about this idea that every player has to have like every single attribute to like match this magic thing and this magic position it's not really the way it works what we need is forget the numbers and all the the stats and all that bullshit what were we missing last year when we were going forward we didn't have someone who could read and see danger and sniff it out that's what he is he sees danger he's always in great positions and he's really good at winning the ball back when we get it back i don't care what he does with it either pass it to someone who can do something with it or pass it yourself either way it will be fine this idea that oh no He gets the ball and then the ball just dissipates.

27:31He might as well just fucking throw it back. Is he a worse or better passer than his Pissouma? Yeah, this is it. Or Ben Zenghor. And look, I get it. If you could improve the passing of those two players, would you want that? Yeah, of course you would. So if you're going to sign another player, you'd want them to be better at passing than those two. I get the argument. I completely understand it. But we also do have a massive void in our midfield last year of people being able to recover the ball and just protect the back four. Now, I know a lot of that is structural and system-based because the way we played and we fucking bombed on and just left the centre-backs alone.

28:06But having someone who can do that in any team is super valuable. I mean, think about City when they had Fernandinho versus when they had Rodri. Rodri has all the ability that Fernandinho did, but he's just a better passer and he's much better going forward. But Fernandinho is basically the defensive side of Rodri. And City was still fucking great then. they weren't as good but they were still great and that's essentially what Paulina's going to be for us I think he's going to be a really really solid addition who'll make us a lot more robust and also he's just a bit of a thug and I think we need that we need some if you think now we're going to have Romero and Paulina in the same team in the spine of our team that's going to make us pretty horrible and I really like that I don't think we're ever going to concede a goal again never Mark, tell us about the stat around his tackles because there was some debate in our group that it might not be true, but it is true.

28:59It's just they got the date. Yeah. Yeah, so essentially they send out, the Premier League made a stat and, well, it had the Premier League label. I don't know if it was actually the Premier League, but, and they calculated all the tackles and maybe it was just actually tackles. I think it was just tackles from 22, 23 and 23, 24. But it was 21, 22, 23, 22, 23. So it's just, they just got the dates wrong. But yeah, he did 300 tackles, I think it was, in those two seasons. The nearest one, I believe, was Moises Cali Seido. Granted, he was both at Brighton and then Chelsea, so across the two clubs, but he only had 191.

29:34So, you know, like his stats are great in the areas that we want him to be great, if that makes sense. And so, you know, we lacked a lot of that last season. Yeah, Bissouma is kind of the closest to him in terms of profile. Benton Kaur is a different player, even though we've tried to play him in a sixth. He just isn't that six. He wants to drift. He wants to be an eight. And he sometimes pops up in positions he probably shouldn't be in. Polinia is extremely, that's something I'm really looking forward to and something I don't think people have spoken about that much is Polinia is, likes other elements of the game than Bissouma and Benton.

30:14He's much more disciplined and much more sort of tactical in his outlook. He enjoys the game being controlled and keeping the ball out of our final third. He's not interested in roaming. He isn't a box crasher. He's quite a lump. He's really good in the air. His aerial stats are really, really good, which is something we've also missed a bit. So he can do that, but he doesn't naturally drift towards it like all our other midfielders really do. We don't have that sort of naturally inclined defensive midfielder. and we get it with this guy. I mean, you know, for 5 million loan fee, it's a snip. It looks like it's a 25 million pound fee if we want to buy him, which we've got an option for.

31:03He's already got the number six. I mean, you know, honestly, I think a lot of things would have to go wrong for us to not sign him permanently by the end of the season. I think, yes, it would be injury that prevents him. I don't think performance is going to be a problem. I think actually, if we'd have signed him for Poster Cogli, it wouldn't have worked. I think the demands of what his limitations in being kind of press resistant and about to turn on the ball, that's not what he's about. And in that system, I think he would have struggled. But in Frank's system, I don't think he'll play every game either.

31:35I don't think in certain circumstances where it might not be necessary for us to be as defensively solid that perhaps he will get rested. But in terms of Champions League, where he's going to come on top at stages, he's going to be perfect. I think it's an excellent signing shrewd bit of business and Bayern Munich just loves selling us players we've been linked with really good players I can't remember his name Kim Min-J Kim Min-J Kim Min-J are you sure that's what you said? yeah I don't think you said that this is your intrusive thoughts now just because you're always getting names wrong doing some sort of also by me highlighting it it makes me the problem doesn't it really because we just carry on.

32:19I'm learning, boys. I'm evolving. I'm learning. I'm becoming more well-rounded. Growing. I'm the problem. Yeah, so he's a fucking unit. We've been linked with him in every transfer window that we've ever had since he was at Leverkusen. Was it Leverkusen? No, I didn't. Can't remember. Hamburg, maybe. Hamburg. Is it Hamburg? Anyway, and it just feels like any player we want that they don't want, we can have, which is not bad for a Bayern Munich situation. and they're always going to have a fall-off. There's always pretty good players who don't, for whatever reason, make it. So it's a pretty... You know, there's a spell where we went for Juventus, for example, like Kuliseski, Benskopp.

32:59They're both pretty solid players. PSG, Oriar and Luz Moro. Yeah, there's always these large clubs who have players who, for whatever reason, don't make it into the side. It is kind of a good tactic to just have a little look at those players. You can get some pretty good value from those players. And it's not always a reflection on them. so yeah I'd be I'd be into that Sonny's gone boys he's gone 20 million quid though I thought that's decent decent amount of money is it fair or what didn't we how much didn't we pay like 22 25 so we've nearly I know it's obviously different but we've nearly got our money back I know he's now from like one of the glory football sure like it but it's kind of it's pretty nice isn't it just to be like okay we've pretty much got our money back on literally one of our greatest ever players.

33:45I thought 20 million was high, Mark. I thought we'd probably end up getting like 12, something like that. Yeah, I was fully expecting us to get 10, 12 million for him. And I would have been absolutely fine with that. Like he, literally, if this is what Sonny wants, which by all accounts, it sounds like it is, this is his choice of a club to go to. He could have gone for free in my estimation. we would have just you know ripped up his contract and all that sort of stuff like i the guy deserves whatever he wants from us as far as i'm concerned and should have a box for life at the you should have harry kane's box actually that that big plush one that we saw in that video with levy with a massive kitchen like a one bedroom um yeah it's massive yeah good money um still had a year left right i think that was his that was player option a year but um uh yeah like that's really good money interestingly frank asked him to stay he wanted him to play he wanted to be a big part of spurs this season and i don't know if that is a case of like it would have been a weird situation for frank to walk into the football club and go right you're gone because obviously he's gonna offer him a role but it was sonny's decision to leave and i think that's fine you know i've had lots of conversations this week defending Sonny as a legend for Spurs and it's supposed to be a constant conversation and my kind of takeaway from it when I was listening to a Chelsea fan and an Arsenal fan tell me that they were downplaying these achievements and what has he done to be a legend, I suddenly found myself not caring what they thought it doesn't matter what you think I think this is what I've experienced this is what he's done this is what it meant when he signed the new contract and so other people they hear is he signed a new contract so what, that happens all the time It's not that.

35:33Explaining the nuances of why we love Sonny the way we do means that someone outside the football club will never understand and they don't need to. But yeah, 100%. Although my dad, myself, John, and Ben Bowman and my old man went to watch England play India in the cricket. We had a lovely day, didn't we, John? Oh, mate, it was great. But we were talking to my dad and we were like, what you've been watching Spurs for a long time what where do you rank Sonny is you know best players ever and he went top 30 I was like what dad I was expecting to say top 10 top 30 easily top 30 easily he said and he thought he was giving him he thought he was being generous yeah yeah he went mentoring top 30 so mate is it us does my dad know what he's talking about is he going see now what is happening there we were shocked just cracked up the lot of us yeah absolutely cracked me up the thing is it's one of those things where and the more we sort of pushed your old man to be like but what about this and what about this reason and what about that reason and why is this person better there was never a reason why he wasn't better than that person so if we'd have literally run through that top 30 list I think we could have got Sonny into the top 5 because even when we were talking about certain players even by dad's admission it was more like who his favourites were like less around like objectively who is better because I was just going like look at like the European trophies if you've won one of them then surely like that puts you into the close bracket and if you've won one of them as a captain and then if you've you know been there Premier League all-time assists and then if you've you know if you're you know X place what is he fifth on the goal scorer list surely that push and more he started reading this stuff off you could see him going fuck yeah that's actually kind of a lot of things that you have to consider He does bow under pressure quite easily, my dad.