S15E22 - Grind And Shine

5 Oct 2025 · 1 h 5 min · 20 chapters

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In short

Tottenham’s away win at Leeds (Ellen Road) and what it says about their early-season progress under manager Frank (discussed as “Haram Ball”/“Frank Ball”). They debate tactics, defensive solidity, midfield balance, player form, and whether results are “lucky” (including Leeds’ xG discussion).

Guest backgrounds

The episode is a Tottenham-focused fan roundtable with multiple hosts (names mentioned: Alex, Cal, Kyle, plus “Flav” and “Ben Davis” referenced). They discuss watching matches together, club trips, and personal fan experiences (e.g., buying shirts, group chats).

Key claims

Away form is strong and game-management improved; home still needs “clicking.” Vicario is criticized emotionally but defended as making a key save. Frank’s substitutions (Odegaard/Simmons off; Saar and Danso on) helped “lock down” the last 10 minutes. Midfield pairing (Bentancur/Paulinho) is questioned; Archie Gray should get minutes.

Notable examples

Kudus nearly hit by a thrown object (debated as vape vs bottle); Simmons’ Rabona/looped pass to Porro; Calvert-Lewin’s first touches; Vicario save vs Leeds; Leeds’ late pressure in stoppage time; xG argument that Leeds’ open-goal chance inflated their xG.

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Chapters

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Leeds United Atmosphere

1:40 to 4:25

Discussion on the intimidating reputation of Leeds United's home ground.

“And when that vape flew past Kudus' head, could have killed him, lad.”

Matchday Incidents and Fan Behavior

4:25 to 8:00

Analysis of fan behavior during matches, including throwing objects.

“They were just on that next stand over there.”

Spurs Performance and Frank's Tactics

8:00 to 11:25

Reflections on Tottenham's recent performances and tactical decisions.

“How are you feeling, Alex, about the start to the season?”

Player Evaluations and Future Prospects

11:25 to 14:00

In-depth analysis of player performances and potential improvements.

“I feel like a grown up's in the room and that just makes me so much more relaxed about stuff so I will still lose I had the right ump with wolves.”

Discussion on Richarlison's Performance

14:00 to 18:54

Exploration of Richarlison's contributions and fan perceptions.

“I think, look, he was out for large parts of last season.”

Analysis of Tottenham's Defensive Strategy

19:58 to 22:20

Discussion on Tottenham's defensive solidity and individual player performances.

“I think, I don't know what you thought, Kyle, but I thought it was one of those games where, again, the chances that they created were almost on our terms a little bit.”

Evaluating Midfield Dynamics

22:20 to 26:00

Examination of the midfield roles and player effectiveness in the team.

“Whereas this is kind of a bit more, we got this, don't worry.”

Concerns Over Player Performance and Management

26:00 to 28:01

Addressing concerns about individual players and coaching decisions.

“And we've just gone seven unbeaten in that period.”

Injury Concerns and Player Performance

28:01 to 37:54

Discussion about player injuries, particularly ACLs, and their impact on performance.

“that the time it takes for them to return to any sort of, it's not just getting back on the pitch.”

Injury Concerns and Player Performance

37:55 to 39:31

Discussion about player injuries, particularly ACLs, and their impact on performance.

“I was surprised you hadn't even noticed it.”
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Tactical Analysis and Player Dynamics

41:07 to 42:00

Analysis of player positioning, team dynamics, and upcoming strategies.

“because Xavi yesterday kept drifting out to the left, didn't he?”

Analyzing XG and Game Dynamics

42:00 to 44:40

Discussion on the significance of Expected Goals (XG) in football analysis.

“imagine watching that game and coming away from it thinking, Leeds are unlucky there.”

Goals and Team Performance

44:40 to 46:39

Insights into the team's current scoring performance and notable goals.

“That's what the game's been missing for fucking years since these wankers like Pep Guardiola come in and reduced everything to statistics and numbers and let's get this ball as close.”

Players' Reactions and Fan Interactions

46:40 to 48:50

Exploration of players' connections with fans and the emotional aspects of the game.

“win away from home, but to score a couple of ripping goals as well just made it even sweeter as well.”

The Impact of Social Media on Fan Sentiment

48:50 to 51:40

Discussion about social media's effect on fans' perceptions and reactions to the team.

“I remember Son doing something similar with Brennan Johnson.”

Transfer Market Speculations and Club Future

51:40 to 55:40

Speculations about potential transfers and the future of the club amidst ownership changes.

“to give you stuff that you're lingering on, that you're engaging with, that you're replying to.”

Club Acquisition Discussions

56:00 to 58:20

The hosts discuss a potential bid for the club and the ramifications of cryptocurrency investors.

“Ricky and I were the most excited we've ever been.”

Analyzing the Starting XI

58:20 to 1:01:12

The hosts debate the optimal starting lineup for the team once all players are fit, including discussions on specific players.

“I just think he did a stadium tour like everybody else and then knocked up a document on Word.”

Roast Dinner Chat

1:01:12 to 1:03:59

Casual conversation about food preferences and cooking styles, particularly around roast dinners.

“He's going to be the perfect replacement for Kudus, I think, actually.”

Lighthearted Banter and Sign-off

1:03:59 to 1:06:14

The hosts engage in humorous banter about past experiences and their plans before signing off.

“So, well, I make, yeah, I use it from the, just the juice from the apple, from the apples, from the vegetables and stuff.”
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1:27different and messy only trusts Duracell. it's the fighting it's the fighting cock it's the fighting it's the fighting cock I saw someone call Ellen Road Bellend Road and I really enjoyed it LN Road do you know Ricky was talking about ah Lee do you remember yesterday he was putting in a WhatsApp group Lee's tough place to go there's this idea that this is LN Road's horrible place to go and play football it's not the fucking gates of hell I think they overblow this a little bit that Leeds is this intimidating place there is no intimidating football grounds in England anymore because we're soft as shit in this country that's the bloody problem with it letting too many in no I'm joking but Lee but But there is a certain edge.

2:30And when that vape flew past Kudus' head, could have killed him, lad. Could have killed him. At least could have took an eye out. No, that wasn't a vape. That was a massive bottle. Nah, you can't take bottles in. The vape hit Porro, and Porro was having a laugh with him in there. The bottle that missed Kudus' head by centimetres was a proper full-on. And you could tell by the way it was flying through the air. It was a full bottle. There was no empty shit. So I assumed it wasn't a bottle just because you can't really take them on there. They don't sell glass bottles, so maybe it was a plastic one, I don't know.

3:01But there was something in it. Like you said, the trajectory. It was a peach of a throw, to be fair. It kind of reminded me of that throw. Do you remember that video? Spurs are playing Arsenal. Arsenal fan giving it. And from the other side of the Park Lane road, a bottle just flung. And I will never... I don't want human beings to be hurt, right? I'm against human beings suffering pain unnecessarily. But Jesus, did this bottle land on his chin, this lad? Fucking hell. It was like a guided missile on the chin of this Arsenal fan who's given it. Yeah, I mean, that was naughty, that. I was a bit surprised.

3:44In this day and age, throwing stuff on the pitch. Unreal. But it's good, though, isn't it? You just said we're all too soft. If you can't have a bit of violence against some millionaires who are celebrating right in front of you, where your whole week revolves around it then good luck to him I was surprised Cal that he decided to do like if they've set the chair up beforehand if they've done that because they went straight to the little stall and I know it's something about tradition and I know he has an actual stall a Ghanaian stall that means something I don't know why I should have researched that but means something important to him so they just had a little plastic stall instead just run around to the Spurs fans and do it don't do it right in front of the Leeds fans it was just like they just didn't give a shit which I enjoyed Spurs fans were quite close as well, weren't they?

4:25They were just on that next stand over there. I don't know if the Monster Cam came out this morning. You know Spurs always do the Monster Cam. Yeah, I just watched it. It was class. And I think you might be right. I don't think it was a bottle, you know. I think it was a vape. It was like black, solid thing. What it's like to me... Do you remember the ones you used to have? Watch the Monster Cam, Al. Oh, do you remember the ones you used to have where they were really thick with the big batteries? I think it was one of them. It actually was like a power pack, you know. I'm not joking. It could have killed him.

4:53I'll take it back then yeah Jesus I'll have to watch it but it's not about you being wrong it's about it was so big the fact that it looked like a bottle and you know you talked about the bottle being full the weight of it it was just do you remember them old proper batteries if you flung it was the right weight to fry you could probably throw that about 80 yards anyway he had enough they're also about 40 quid there he just threw 40 quid well that's why I was a bit like it can't have been because I know how fucking expensive those things are people do do mental things in rage fits in football I saw someone throw a shoe at an away fan once and I'm like you're going to need that mate what are you doing after you've settled down you've only got one shoe on socks soaking wet just like just wobbling down the road with one shoe on after the game looking like a twat imagine people going what happened and you've got to explain it loads of times I threw it tail I threw it I don't know what happened how many times if you were getting the train home from London from Tottenham from White Hart Lane walking from the away end to the station to your home a hundred people might ask you why have you only got one shot at what point at what number do you think after you've said told it but you think you might think I just piss myself and people think I'm mental I think that would be the best way you'd have to go into one of those shitty little clothes shops down the high road and go home in some brown loafers with the rest of your outfit on.

6:23It wouldn't look good.

6:27How are you feeling? Spurs are currently, after the final whistle, we were second in the league. Tricky place to go. Tricky place to go, we know that. But we did get the win, and it's the fifth win that we've got. And I just want to gauge where you're at with Frank Ball. Is it Haram Ball? I think that's what the kids are saying now, isn't it? is it haram after Wolves last week I know you obviously you've done Wolves I was fucking livid after that game I was apoplectic I was so angry I know I was here I left without saying goodbye to my dad on that night I was alright actually was you I was livid I just thought we were just I don't know I wasn't like get him out but I was I was looking at flights kind of thing I was thinking, I don't know about this guy.

7:22Is it like early on in the break? That's what happens. I think that's just what people we have to accept is like during a football match, you think and say the most mental thing because this is what we all get geared up for all week is watching our football team play football. And that at home. And it was just like, I think one thing we got out yesterday is Xavi should play 10 every game. Oh, yeah. You should play 10. That's what we bought him for. We bought him to be a 10. To see him on the left against Wolves, I was fucking livid. I was looking at flights. I want to get into some of the individual performances, because I haven't really spoke to you guys about this, and certainly not on the podcast.

8:00How are you feeling, Alex, about the start to the season? I'm really happy. There's been a few 20 minutes and a few 40 minutes here or there where I've not thought some nice things. but mainly because... Just on that, if you would have said the things you thought out loud and put them on Twitter, do you think you'd still have a job? Because I don't think I would. Oh yeah, I'm not too bad. The only person I upset is you, most of the time. I can't, I can't, and Spooky. Spooky left the group because of you. Yeah, but honestly, and we still don't know why.

8:37He's apologised in person to me for something I had no idea what he was talking about. Oh God. I love him to death. Oh, God. And this is the problem, because I do love him to death. And he apologised to me in front of Cal, and Cal will tell you, my nephew, do you know what he's talking about? And he still can't tell me why. I was asking why now, and he still can't say why. In that he won't say, or he can't remember himself. He doesn't understand. He can't word it. He can't macinate it. Anyway. I think what, what I think Alex, if I just have to put my finger on it is when I'm feeling or I'm, I never thought about leaving the group.

9:18I thought about kicking you out, but when he doesn't have a load, it's absolutely ridiculous because, because if this is the other way around, right, when I'm struggling, when I like the Marine, we've done this a thousand times, Mourinho or like when Poster Coglu's flying and I'm like, a couple of concerns. He's, it's like, it doesn't work the other way. It's like, fucking hell. I like when I'm feeling bad about things, and the game's not going well, what happens is I don't... I internalise my frustrations, whereas yours spew out. And that's just who you are. And that's fine. But sometimes it's unbearable.

9:54It's just unbearable. And the Postacoglu stuff, you can expand that over eight months. Yeah. And it's still continuing today. We're still talking about Postacoglu in the fucking group today. It's fucking brilliant, isn't it? Because of your hatred of it. Isn't it great though? He's never going to win a game again. anyway let's get back to you feel quite good about yeah yeah honestly I'm the only time I got frustrated I think the only thing where I had seen differently from most people I think was the Brighton game I know everyone said Brighton was really good but I really got annoyed at Brighton because it felt like we were defending like a post-ocoglu team again like maybe that's what gave me the up but other than that yeah in the first half it was a little bit even the Bournemouth game I wasn't really wound up because I thought fucking Bournemouth are just really they played really really well so I appreciate it there's lots of stuff to build on and the fact that Xavi was on if Xavi had been on the left yesterday I'd have started to have been like well come on now but no overall I love Thomas Frank and the fact is because when it's shit or something's gone wrong like I can see him doing stuff like he's got a little board out and stuff which I know Amarons had absolute ruins for but I feel better I don't think you need a board against Grimsby but you might need a board in the Premier League but either way I feel better but something's happening like they're doing something about it he reacted to the opposition yesterday I did a five statement just after the game a few hours after the game and that was one of the points I took away from it you saw him reacting in real time and that is comforting you might get it wrong but he's doing something whereas it was one way and that was it regardless of who you play I feel like a grown up's in the room and that just makes me so much more relaxed about stuff so I will still lose I had the right ump with wolves.

11:35I was not happy. And that's because I'm fucking surrounded by a Muppeter. And I'd watched it with the missus on the, on the, on the telly. And like, again, that noise. It happened the second, when Bodo Glimp scored their second one as well. When it goes, oh, no, fuck off. I don't need that. But anyway, you're, you're still early doors in your relationship relatively, right? About a year? Yeah. Yeah. But it's, it's fine. She's, she's usually, she's, you know, she's got a book. She's, you know, you never normally hear a peep out of her. but when Bodo scored that second one, she went...

12:07But, no, on the whole, I'm really happy with Frank. I like that we have patterns. You can almost predict how a Tottenham game is going to... What was that noise, just once more? She just went...

12:23It's like you'd raised your hand. It's like that sound. That's so scary. That was good. I feel like you can judge these Kindness isn't it That's where it's coming from It's the worst thing in the world you want to hear Sorry Frank I feel like you can almost judge a way The game will go We'll have a good stage We'll have a medium stage And we'll have a bad stage It's just the level of how bad that bad stage is going to be And how good that good stage is going to be But yesterday I saw a lot of I'm not sure about it I thought we were pretty decent yesterday I don't know what you thought I thought we were great.

13:00We're so good away from home, aren't we? I think that's the, if there's any sticky point, is that we're just not really clicking at home yet. When we are forced to kind of lead the game and, you know, at home, we're not quite there yet. But away from home, we're really good at just managing the game. And I thought yesterday we just managed the game. Once we got the second goal, I didn't feel up until stoppage time, they had a couple of chances in stoppage time, but I didn't feel like really we was in any real danger. and I just thought we managed, yeah, we just managed the game really well and loads of good performances actually yesterday as well.

13:36I was only earlier this week, I was like, oh, the best shit, get him out. Actually, he had a pretty good game yesterday. He's not great one-on-one, but he passes the ball quite well. One-on-one's supposed to be his, that's his thing. Yeah. I don't get it. Yeah, yeah, go on. He's not. Dive in. I was really excited about him. and I feel like I've watched enough now to decide that he's just not, he's not there. Not Avonim. He's not the one. I think, look, he was out for large parts of last season. If I, if I counter that, it'd be like a large parts of last season in, I can, you know, complete clusterfuck of a team in the league last year and rate.

14:16And he's played what free, started three games for Frank. So it may be that he catches fire. If this is, yeah, I mean, I've been with my gut from Richarlison since I first saw him kick a ball I was like that can't be right look at the way he's running and that can't be right he can't can't be right what's he doing his first game I looked at him and went this can't be right surely they have not looked at him and gone brilliant let's spend 50 million pounds they cannot have done but this is George's ironic about that because I bet if we go back to the podcast in fact I know if we go back to the podcast when the day that we signed him and I was a bit like fucking hell Richarlison 50 million quid and Flav was like fucking hell hell he's looking at his record and all the rest of it definitely 100 % you were because it's weird because I love him now I really love Richarlison he's not good enough for what we need obviously but I'm not bothered about loving my players I just want them to be good I don't give a shit about loving them just be good don't be a fucking I've got to cling to some of yeah or cling to Palinio he's good yeah yeah yeah but I I said I liked the Odeberg thing is just my gut the same thing with Tell who I thought did actually pretty well yesterday you know goal aside deflection but you've got a you know you've got to get in that position it was a nice first touch he worked himself into that position and scored a good goal and a couple of really nice passes as well against a strong kind of pretty physical back line up there on his on his own he did well but he's also Pony so just my gut tells me about those two.

15:54But what I did like... How close do you be able to do some racism towards them? How close are they? Yeah, both of them, if you like. Well, I mean, I'll say anything about anyone, regardless of background, if I don't like them. No, but I mean, because you, that's what, you were a part of the people that went to his Instagram after he missed the penalty at PSG. I've seen the DM, you showed it to me when you were drunk. Look what I sent to Mattis Tell. Yeah, yeah, look at this. Alex, that's horrendous. that's horrendous what are you doing is it oh is it how he was a shit gal no he's he did alright yesterday yeah he did do he did do alright yesterday and when I say he's not fucking shit alright I'm not having this he's not shit he is it's ridiculous it's a ridiculous insane he's not I said pony and that's not true he's not shit what I'm saying is is that he is a an average Premier League player at his best is my gut like I said I don't what do I know But that is my gut and I am sticking to it because I feel like I've watched him enough.

16:56You need to stick to it until you can't. Yeah, and then I will turn. I will pivot. Ask Ben Davis. Yeah, four or five times, which is fine. But how did you think? Because you couldn't watch it properly, could you? Oh, mate. I mean, I love, as people know, I love going down to the club and I love being able to make money out of watching it. and talking about football. I love it. But I came away from doing the club with Rory, Adam and Booby and I felt like I hadn't even watched the game. It was so... I think I mentioned Tottenham twice in three hours. They just weren't interested in the game. And I'm like, at one point I said, why am I here?

17:42What do you want me here for if we're not going to talk about this? So in a way, it was weird because I was just completely calm the entire game where the ending, where leads had a little bit of an onslaught, they had to throw everything at it. I could imagine watching that would have been relatively nerve-wracking to some degree. Did you feel any nerves at the end, or did you feel like we're going to ride this out? If your business runs on five different apps, 12 browser tabs, and one spreadsheet that everyone's afraid to touch, it's probably time for Odoo. Odoo is an all-in-one business management software that connects every part of your business into one powerful, easy-to-use platform.

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19:38Enter now at michlobaltra.com slash superior access slash FIFA World Cup 26. Michelob Ultra FIFA World Cup 26, superior access, no purchase necessary. Open U.S. Residence 21 Plus begins on December 1st, 2025, ends on July 31st, 2026, multiple entry periods. Visit www.miclobaltra.com slash superior access slash FIFA World Cup 26 for free entry, entry deadlines, prizes, and details. I was all right. Yeah. I think, I don't know what you thought, Kyle, but I thought it was one of those games where, again, the chances that they created were almost on our terms a little bit. and we let them have those types of positions and then if they did really well and got into shooting opportunities then we were kind of like, okay, fair enough.

20:19I thought Calvert-Lewin actually was still, the couple of first touches that he took to take into his stride did not quite finish it but was really, really good. I want to know what Cal thinks of Vicario very quickly. I think, do you know what it is, right? You know, I've not quite got over it. And you know Europa League final? You know the Van der Ven clearance? It's all about the Van der Ven clearance, right? That's all anybody talks about after that game. I can't watch that clip because all I see is Vecario coming out again and just not getting anywhere near the ball. And I've just detested him ever since, hated every fibre of his being ever since I won him out.

20:58I just, I don't think, I think if we want to achieve something, we need a better goalkeeper. We've just beaten Leeds, right? We're third in the league and we've just slated three of our players. it's like what's happening here? I don't know. We were just saying how good we were. Do you know what I mean? Literally the last paragraph. What I was about to say. Tells shit Vicario I hate his guts. I'm with you boys I hate Vicario's guts as well right? But what I will say about Vicario is that I was raging after the first goal then I actually saw it again. It's actually a really good save. Yeah. So this is what Joe Hart said in the commentary afterwards as well I just thought he's done it again.

21:31Did it against Wolves no he's done it again. That's what I said he's done it again. Done it again. And when Joe Hart broke it down, he was actually, actually, no, this is why this is a difficult save. I was like, all right, then, well, obviously, Joe Hart knows more about goalkeeping than I do. And the one right at the end from, well, the two, one from his feet with Calvert-Lewin, and I think there was, I can't remember who the other shot was by, but that took a horrible deflection as well. Yeah. So I thought he actually did quite well. I have my concerns, but on the whole work, the whole defensive thing with the last 10 minutes, I was pretty calm.

21:59I know we've conceded a couple of silly goals recently, but again, part of it is, We do feel more solid. I know after the first six games, I was like, Christ, I don't think we're ever going to concede a goal ever again. And we've conceded a few there. But it's still, you can know the structures there. I just felt last season, every defensive action was defending for our lives. Whereas this is kind of a bit more, we got this, don't worry. And the subs were interesting, weren't they? That he took off one of the wingers, didn't he? He took off Odebay and brought on Saar. And then he brought on...

22:33I think he took off Simmons as well. Yeah, he took off Simmons and he brought on fucking the, what's his name? The centre-back. Danso. Thank you, Danso. And he was just like, right, okay. It was like Frank kind of saw where the game was going and thought, okay, we're just going to lock this down now. And actually in the last 10 minutes before the stoppage time, I thought we controlled the game really well. And then they had a little push in stoppage time, didn't they? We had a couple of chances, but obviously we dealt with the chances really well. So that was in, like you guys were saying, it felt under Postacoglu that it was always like for like.

23:05The changes were always, you know, kind of the same player for the same sort of style. I think the only disappointing thing for me was that Archie Gray didn't get any minutes yesterday. There was a lot of talk for pre-game about, you know, maybe him getting a star and Ben Tankord signed a new contract and all that. I just thought, I still think there is an issue with us. It is in midfield and it is with Ben Tankord and Paulina. I'm just not sure that works. I don't think Benton Coir had the greatest game yesterday after signing the contract. But I'm just looking at our list of results. We've beaten Burnley 3-0.

23:36Man City, we've beaten 2-0. We lost to Bournemouth, got spanked by Paul Muffer, really. But then we beat West Ham, beat Villarreal, drew away to Brighton in what I thought was a really good performance. Doncaster, obviously. And then, so the interesting thing is this Wolves result and the Bodo Glimpse result. now the narrative I don't know how you believe if you believe in this but the narrative around those was that if Frank wasn't in charge and I think you could probably apply this to the Leeds game is that we may have lost certainly the Bodo Glimp game but the Wolves game and that Leeds game when it with a different style of football even under Mourinho as well I remember us going away to Wolves and winning 2-1 but getting absolutely battered that perhaps his pragmatism and his game management meant that we do get points and wins out of games under previous managers we might not have done.

24:28Is that a fair statement at all? Yeah, I think there's too much evidence already to show that in those situations that we were in last year, and we were in them frequently, that we didn't get the results that we've had so far this year when we've needed to. The Boda game was really difficult. I heard you talk about the creases on the pitch, Fab, and I was saying it, muttering it to myself, and I was like, I can't believe this. It's a Champions League game. Johnson had won, and far be it from me to defend Brennan Johnson on most things. He actually tried to control a ball, and you literally see it roll off his foot because of that crease, and I just couldn't believe it.

25:08Unbelievable. And they played very well, and I was a bit disappointed in the Bodo performance, but again, kept going, kept going, and, you know. Got a point, didn't you? Yeah, the quality shone through, and I'm not sure that we would have kept going last time, but we probably would have conceded another one and it probably would have finished 3-2. It got to 3-1 and then we would have scored a second and we would have kept going and we wouldn't have had enough time to finish it. So that's what I mean in terms of that's where the differences are. My only slight back-of-the-head worry with Frank is that I hope he can transition into this is Tottenham and we go and win these games against Wolves.

25:48we go win these games like when there's a moment to be to be brave and go and do it not thinking at 80 minutes 85 minutes okay let's a point's okay now because it's away from home or whatever like there's a balance still there to be struck where if we want to go and do something and particularly in latter stages of cup games obviously that is a little bit more that kind of happens more naturally but i want that in league games as well i want us to be to be pushing towards that because we'll have the quality to do it there's this um we work with guys at fan narrative.com and they um they produce these reports for us and uh one of one of the bits in this report from the game yesterday was uh about contentment and frustration from the game and the general sentiment is it's working but it hasn't fully clicked yet and i think that's it isn't it that kind of sums it up like it was around sort of what we're saying is 70 maybe 75 percent people of fans from the game yesterday felt content with it and the rest frustrated in just in those two metrics but it's that it's working but just it hasn't clicked yet it's that's where I feel I am it's not fully clicked there are things to work on there for sure and we're eight nine games in that's always going to be the case um we're not creating enough chances however it will come that's how I feel what about you Cal yeah I think like I was saying earlier I That was his 10th competitive game in charge of the club.

27:15And we've just gone seven unbeaten in that period. We've only lost to Bournemouth. And Bournemouth are doing what they did last season, which is fly really good at the start of the season. And then their style of football, they'll probably tail off towards the end like they did last season. They dropped like a stone towards the end of last season. But yeah, I think that's like how that little worry is like, when you're at home, I don't want to see Paulinho and Bentancourt in essence that's two sixes because Bentancourt is quite negative he's not that player of old what's happening by the way I saw a thing on on Twitter yesterday and it was just this clip of like where's this Bentancourt gone and it was just him like sitting on the edge of our box suddenly a little one touch that gets past the player bursting through and I'm like yeah was that Conte's era?

28:02yeah I remember him being brilliant just before his ACL being our best player that must be what it is Yeah, but it's, I don't know, it just seems, and I was watching that thinking, if anyone was to describe what we need right now, it's that. Yeah, I don't, look, I mean, when he got that injury and when he was returning, I remember doing a video about this and having a conversation, and I did some digging into sort of recovery rates from ACLs, and it sort of, and this is a worry about, I don't, was it Madison's an ACL or an MCL? I don't know. It's an ACL. Right. that the time it takes for them to return to any sort of, it's not just getting back on the pitch.

28:43It's so much more than that. Now, I'm not suggesting, you know, Ben Tegel's probably been back long enough to have seen that. It might be enough time. But yeah, you're right. He isn't nowhere near the player he was under Conte. Do you remember when things were floundering? He was like our shining light. When he got injured, I mean, that was like the worst possible player it could happen to at the time. Yeah. You think about that. We played Leeds yesterday. Think about that Leeds performance at home under Conte. We were 2-1 down and he just grabbed the game by the bollocks and just scored two goals.

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29:13We ended up winning the game. Bournemouth as well, wasn't it? Yeah, he scored away at Bournemouth as well. He just grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck. But you've got to think about his kind of, to be fair to him, what's kind of gone on with him. It was the ACL. He's come back. Then Matty Cash dives into him and does his ankle. Then he does a racism and misses 12 games. He gets a concussion not long after he comes back and misses games because of that as well. he's just had this it's like he hasn't had the time to really really get up to speed and like you said after an ACL you probably need another year after that to get back to your best but he's had all these other injuries and then the suspensions as well although he was playing Europa League games in that time of the suspension as well so he was playing football because he wasn't banned in Europe so he's had opportunities to get back he just looks like to be blunt his legs are gone like he just doesn't have the energy right the energy to get up and down the pitch anymore so he's doing the simple thing and I just thought yesterday away at Leeds.

30:07I understand why Frank didn't do it but just to give Archie Gray 10 minutes he earned it in the performances. He was probably our best player against Doncaster and then he's come on against Bodo Glimt and then got an assist for the Eagle. He was really livening the energy up on the pitch when he came on against Bodo Glimt. I just thought he deserved it yesterday. Frank keeps talking about Archie Gray so it's not like he doesn't rate him. I guess he's just figuring out the best way to utilize him, but it just feels like he is chomping at a bit. I agree with you, Cal. When he gets on, it's not that kind of...

30:42You made an assumption. We all made an assumption about him, about being a little bit sluggish last year. Towards the end, there was a goal that we conceded where the ball ran away from him in the box. I can't remember. I blots out most of the horror that was the end of last season, apart from Europa League. So I can't remember specifics about the horror that was. but his tracking was slow and it was just slightly off whereas he looks like he's had a new release of life. So yeah, I can't wait for him to get back on, back in. I just think Frank probably likes the security that Ben Sincor and Palinic gives him and that's been his approach since coming back, hasn't it?

31:18Or coming into Spurs, he's like, the first thing we need to do is make you hard to beat. Yeah, I think that's sensible. I don't know, I'm sure most people are saying but I couldn't have another six, seven, eight, nine, first 10 games of this season of conceding just goals every week. Like goals and goals. I can't do it. We needed to cut that out. It was horrible. And it's easy then to get frustrated when the football's not quite there yet. And I'm guilty of that at times as well, but I'd much rather him be doing exactly what he's doing and doing it this way and us having to work something out on the attacking end of it.

31:53You know, after what we saw from Simmons yesterday, I don't think, hopefully that's not a million miles away. I think that's the league now though isn't it as well you look at the league as it is now you've got Arsenal playing their fucking corner long throw terrorist ball Liverpool don't play great football Chelsea don't play great football no none of that's the you know everything's cyclical in football and where it's where it is at the minute the league as a whole is no one's playing good football this is the style now you've got Bournemouth that play good stuff and maybe one or two others but the top teams now they're playing it's fucking entertaining though it's It's been such good fun this first 10 weeks.

32:28I'm loving it, this long froze and all the rest of it. Cal, what are you doing? It looks like you're just scratching your nuts constantly. I can't stop looking at you. Are you masturbating? All right. He's polishing his phone screen. Fucking hell. I'd prefer it if you were masturbating, people. And I'd say great if you just didn't, if you hadn't mentioned it. Sorry. Right? And just the whole game. It was just massive. I feel like I should now. It was just wanking. As we talked about Spurs.

32:53Speaking of wanking, though. I wanted to shoot him after the Rabona, but that chip pass in for Porro, I've never stood. I stood up. I did silence, but stood up from my seat. I didn't say anything. I just stood up when he did that pass. It was fucking glorious. Unreal, wasn't it? It wasn't. You can see there's a special player and the satisfaction we had, the satisfaction we had when we saw the team list or team sheet being shared around, but then for it to kind of work during the game that's really satisfying so Simmons in the 10 a proper winger on the left Odebeer, Tell whoever it might be someone who's a specialist in that position and a centre forward whereas before it was like put Saar put Peravel in there these aren't 10s they're not James Madison they're not Xavi Simmons if we're going to unlock the fences you need you need that specialist 10 in there and that's exactly what Simmons is what Simmons is we all wanted him to play centrally played centrally difficult game at Ellen Road different places ago as we know and he was he was fine he was fine the the Rabona pass I mean it's high risk low reward if it came off yeah it would have been sensational and been clipped up and everything however it was completely unnecessary yeah that was that was the thing I don't mind I don't mind a Rabona if it's there and it's a pass that is you know It's unlikely, but let's give it a go.

34:22But it was so much easier just to do it the normal way. The two moments though, Alex, was the looped ball, but the first half as well was where he took the ball, a couple of touches, shifted his body weight, and just slid in a doggy. We've been missing that since Madison's gone. We've been missing the ability to find that through ball. And what Saar would have done, this is not a benefit of, this isn't a criticism of Saar, but what he would have done was put that out wide. rather than trying to go through. What did you say? All I was going to say, I thought Zabby was great. I actually thought he was on the ball, but I was, again, little moaned, but I didn't want him to be taken off really.

34:57I thought, come on, let's try and go and win the game. But I thought he was really good. Yes, and he looked like he's actually finally now adjusted to the pace of the league. He disappointed he'd come off as well, wasn't he? Yeah, you could see he didn't want to come off. He still had it in him, but how good was a doggy yesterday? Good. Yeah, yeah, it was a man of match. Yeah. Man of match, right? Yeah, yeah, 100%. For obvious reasons, was given it, but you would say a doggy? Yeah, a doggy, 100%. What is it? I thought he was great. We know that his final ball, when he gets to the byline, can sometimes be a bit off, but they didn't know how to deal with him because he makes overlapping runs, he makes underlapping runs, he can come into the middle of the park with the ball.

35:36I've forgotten, it's easy to forget because Spence has been so good and obviously a doggy was out for a while, but I've forgotten just how effective he really can be. And he has his moments, and I dare say maybe actually against the top three, four teams, that maybe he struggles more and it might be better with Spence. But against kind of everyone else... His running was quite obviously. He's just so powerful with that running. And just before I forget about Simmonds, because it was nice the way that they were linking up, but one thing that surprised me about Simmonds yesterday in that position, because Leeds were pretty, they were really tight, really tight on Kudos every time he tried to come in to receive the ball with his back to goal.

36:16And they were the same with him. But what's surprising about him is that he was actually able to, and this didn't happen in his last couple of games, but he was right. You were right, Favre. He's able to take the ball, shift his weight a little bit and kind of just get away from it and just get that little touch just to get that pass off. And he was much, much better at that. and it just seemed a lot more fluid with everything. Yeah, I really, really enjoyed watching him yesterday, which is good because I've got his name on the back of my shirt and I haven't got a player's name on the back of my shirt since I was about 11.

36:48Can you show us that again? Well, you... I put it in the group because I was quite chuffed with it and then Flav was like took a screen, zoomed in on the letters and he was like, this can't be right because the X and the A and the V and the I, it was all on thing. but if you've seen his shirt it's exactly how he does it it is it is i was like this is great i can buy fraudulent product this is excellent like this this isn't right and i was like oh fucking hell no because because so the full picture is just for people that don't if that you know just so you have all the information so alex like many people decide to yeah it's expensive to buy shirts if you want them all you know you why not become a you know serve piracy and god knows else what else what huge human right issues that you're supporting here um i got two two player version shirts elite shirts with name number badges on 38 quid so there you go so you tell me who's in the roundabout yeah uh so but on the back it says javi and it was like they've printed that wrong like x is too far away from the a i should have just not said anything and just let him be happy with his shirt yeah this was me after me saying quality of this is really good you know i'm well happy with it.

37:58I was surprised you hadn't even noticed it. That's the thing. And so, and then we zoomed in, but then I was watching, I was watching yesterday and I was like, that's weird because that's exactly how it is on the main shirt. So more for me. Shut my mouth. There you go. He was great. He was really, really good yesterday. And, you know, you mentioned about the, the receiving the ball and just seeming like he's got more space. Like that is a mark of an excellent player. If you look like you've got more time on the ball than anybody else, that isn't by accident it's because you're reading the pitch reading the flow of the ball and predicting where it might be and then already turning into space I'm excited to see him with Solanke yeah because I feel like he it will take away Solanke will come and drop deep and hold on to the ball better so that there's runners past him and then suddenly there's just more happening in that kind of middle to last third of the pitch rather than it just being about creating some space, getting the ball to the wings and putting them spamming crosses in and seeing what happens.

38:58So I'm excited to see what he's like with Solanke when he's finally back. Or Mouane, if the leg is ever raised. Well, he's back training. He's been on the pitch for two days, just wasn't 100 % fit for the game. So after the international break, we will have him. You think maybe they'll put him in a, I don't know, a kids friendly or something because he's in the national break now and he's obviously not going to be picked for France and maybe you'll get to play I don't know against the kids kids friendly yeah like an under nine women's women's game or something just get him in there little friendly just you know smash eight goals in against a load of kids and you know kids this episode is brought to you by Google Health stop chasing someone else's definition of health what matters is what's healthy for you Google Health offers a new kind of coach built with Gemini for effortless tracking sleep insights and holistic coaching tailored to you visit googlestore.com to learn more and start a new relationship with your health.

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41:11And it's like, the wings are great right now, aren't they? It's like, you've got Porro and Kudu. It's like, their relationship's really good. And then you've got the other side as well. Odder Bear, you know, he's linking up with Adogui really well and Xavi's drifting over that side. And all we kind of need is that little midfield area to get some cohesion there. And then I think we're going to go. But I agree. You're right, Al. Solanke's massive. I think he'd be Solanke or Mouane. If one of them two can get fit and get clicking, then we're really going. Can I ask you a question, Flav? Because you're someone who puts more stock into things like XG than I do.

41:44There was a big discussion yesterday around this whole leads to XG and Spurs like 0.5 and people saying that we're getting away with stuff. Yeah. I can't look at that game and I can't imagine watching that game and coming away from it thinking, Leeds are unlucky there. But I'm asking you because you were watching it with three other people. No, but I know what you're saying. I mean, I do play some stock in XG, I do. I think it is it gives you an example of the type of... I'm just watching Chevy Simmons or Bono once again. It gives you an idea about how the quality of chance creation, really. But it doesn't...

42:32And typically, more or less, and there is always outliers, but where your XG lands, if you beat your opponent on XG, typically you win those games. That's the typical nature of it. But it's so broad that it's just something to talk about. It doesn't really tell you much. But I mean it more in the sense of, you know, was the feeling, because I didn't watch it with anyone else. I only know from our conversations in our group and our friendship group. But was there a feeling of, God, Leeds are unlucky there today, I suppose. I mean, like I say, the people I was with weren't even watching the game.

43:09I don't even know, again, what I was doing there. But I mean, I spoke to my dad afterwards to get a debrief from him because I was like, I couldn't really follow the game the way I wanted to. And he said, no, we're good for our win. And everyone I spoke to feels like we're good for a win. You've got to remember also is that the XG created by the goal that they scored might as well have been won. He was literally an open goal. It would be impossible to miss that. you know so the likelihood of someone scoring at that point meant that their xg just for that chance alone would have been like 0.9 right so maybe one in a or 0.99 one in 100 players might miss that um so that all really bumps it up so just that one chance like but so for example um the xg generated by uh what's his name brennan johnson's goals last year would have been through the roof but it doesn't tell you that he's an incredible finisher it just shows you where he's where he's arriving and where he's receiving and all the work that had to go in before the ball arrived to him so it's just something that's relatively interesting if you like it but it isn't it's not the be-all and end-all like you know Kudis's goal for example that was all about his industry his run and and as a professional footballer he's going to hit the target from that distance out all right took a deflection it's probably going in anyway so and and also Let's not really obsess about it because we want to see fucking goals from low XG.

44:39It's a shame that it happened to Chelsea, but Caicedo's go yesterday. That's what you want. That's what the game's been missing for fucking years since these wankers like Pep Guardiola come in and reduced everything to statistics and numbers and let's get this ball as close. Don't cross. No, no, we're going to pass it around until we can engineer a good opportunity to shoot a goal. Fine, do it. If that's how you want to win football matches. as fans we want to see fucking screamers from 30 yards that's what we want to see like so yeah fuck xg kudos is who we want to see as fans because i'll tell you what yeah like i he has some moments of frustration like there was one where he held on he managed to keep hold of that ball in the second and the first half on the right hand side um after being like fouled about three times four players around him he still managed to keep hold of it but you could just see in his mind it was like well I've done you once, fucking kick me will you, I'll come and do you again and he went and just kept going back and forth and I was like pass the fucking ball but that's what I want, I want just being able to just use his body strength, just get that little touch away and you're like suddenly he'll just emerge out of this cloud of four players and he's still got the ball and it's fucking brilliant, I love him, they think they've had their pants down we've had their pants down The best one, the best we've talked to that was, you've had our pants down to give us a blowjob.

46:04He's mustered. He's really good. So good. I think that was the thing about yesterday. I wanted to say that actually was, because again, I'm not moaning, but a lot of our goals this season have been corners and own goals. They said yesterday that own goal is our top scorer, isn't it, this season? Yeah, well, that's the other, just quickly on the XG thing is own goals count as zero. Yeah. So if you're not counting that as well, then they actually would have gone higher anyway. Sorry. No, that was just all I wanted to say. A lot of our goals this season have been kind of scrappy off corners and stuff like that.

46:34But obviously Bergweld's goal against West Ham was a beauty. But it was just really nice yesterday to win the game, win away from home, but to score a couple of ripping goals as well just made it even sweeter as well. And even tells. I know the deflection makes it look a little bit sexier, to be honest. It just pinged up in the air and goes over the keeper. It was just really nice to win a game with a couple of ripping goals. Do you want to see what Justin Cochran tweeted after the game? Oh, well, okay. He went, unbeaten in seven games, 14 points from seven Premier League games. A good start, lots to work on.

47:06But the mentality and character show gives you foundation to work from. The supporters were top today. The boys felt the support. I meet up with England next week. Lots to look forward to. that's the England shit yeah how about you just stay and coach the players he's giving me that energy that of that guy that's like I break my day down into hours so I've got 24 days in a day he gives me that sort of energy like he's on LinkedIn posting random fucking shit 24 days in a day yeah you know that guy I don't know you've not seen him on but the joke's on you Cal because over a year he's going to kick your ass yeah I see it yeah some fucking no neck cunt on Instagram look at me I break my day down into 24 days.

47:50But I think he summed it up quite nicely there. I'm so calm and content about Tottenham at the minute. It's a really nice place to be. I have the frustrations in the game, but I don't sit on Monday morning when I'm driving to work thinking, fuck you now, I won't do anything. You know, just on that moment,

48:12watching the game live, everyone has these moments where you just explode or you just feel so frustrated and any agendas that you have for certain players start to creep to the surface, don't they? Everybody knows. What are you laughing at? I'm still thinking about Spooky apologising to me.

48:36I think about it most days. Poor Spooky. I love Spooky. Sorry. It's your fault, Al. You upset him so much. Can you imagine what you was... You don't know what you did. I didn't do anything. This is the point. Can I just say, on the reaction stuff, if you watch anything to do, and I know they're content created, so it's mental, but you watch the reaction to Liverpool losing yesterday and the fact that they've lost three games on the track and the fact that Arna Slott is a pussy now and that Mo Salah's a ghost. All of this start and they've just won a Premier League title and every fan base does it so I know we all kind of have a go at each other and maybe have a go at ourselves sometimes for being some reactionary but it is the nature of this sport 100 % and if you're still like that three days after a game then you've got a problem yeah in my opinion alright let's do some do some questions from Twitter and then we'll wrap this up yeah but great goal great celebration loved loved loved the goal from Tel as well and like T mentioned it earlier is that while obviously there are criticisms of Tell and he's feeling it and Thomas Franklin talked about it and pushed him towards the away fans to get his flowers.

49:59I remember Son doing something similar with Brennan Johnson. They feel it, right? Which is good. You know, which means they're hearing. We're not just, there is a bridge between the players and the fans but it can go overboard and there's nothing that we can gain by generally by absolutely slating this kid who is obviously popular in the squad. Anyway, Sean Cray says, all I keep hearing is most Tottenham fans are unhappy. Most fans are losing patience with Frank. But most Tottenham fans I know are absolutely fine with how we're doing. Do the supposed disgruntled majority appear on your timelines?

50:36I haven't seen a huge majority of people unhappy. I haven't. I haven't either, no. My timeline is very... I just don't... I always mute Spurs Reddit although there's lots of cool shit that gets posted on there on Spurs Reddit but I always just find myself muting it because it's just a bit shit and I don't as I've said a couple of times before What the opinions? Yeah I just mute the whole sub to be honest I just mute the whole sub so I can't be bothered with all this I've never been on it I don't understand how Reddit works so maybe I don't I like I do like Coiz I think there are some mental stuff posted on there and it's fucking every day there's something about who it's on mate he's fucking gone he's not a player anymore he's gone go and post it on LAFC anyway um but but generally i i quite i quite like like going on there really it's more measured than twitter but the point here is sean is it twitter isn't real and isn't representative of the whole fan base or wider society it's a mental poisonous cesspit of a platform yeah and the more you spend on it the more you'll be frustrated plus there's algorithms that are at work constantly to give you stuff that you're lingering on, that you're engaging with, that you're replying to.

51:47And the algorithm doesn't go, this is winding Sean up. The algorithm goes, Sean's engaging, let's give him more of it. So, yeah. It feels like it, doesn't it? It feels like it does know. Sean's fault, basically. Yeah, it feels like it does. This is winding you up, isn't it? Watch this. Look at this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like it's evil. So just get off Twitter or stop replying or mute anything you disagree with. That's what I did. I created the world's best echo chamber for myself. Anytime someone says anything remotely, I disagree with Shemitah account and never see him again. Yeah. Yeah. No, Twitter's a scum.

52:23Craig Emanuel says, does Kudus get a stall placed behind the goal each game or does he just find a spare one? I legit was about to ask that question because when you were talking about this, because if you watch the monster cam, Tel grabs the stall and put it in it. So I'm like, if they put that, is that their stall? Yeah. is it they've definitely pre-planned it because Tell runs over first to get it away from you I know where it is yeah what he knows where he knew where the stall was wasn't he yeah they ran straight to the stall I don't know whether I like that what like preparing the celebrations a bit cringe but also although I do want it to be their stall I want it I want it to be I want them to be carrying it under their arm as they get off to the bus like I think I mean I don't don't they always plan the celebrations I don't know makes me feel a bit did you not like it when Madison and Son do you remember when we were not Madison Ericsson or Dele would do all the yeah but there was no props in that no that was the sappiest thing we've ever seen at Tottenham I was full in Dele at that point so I didn't care I loved anything that boy did I loved you can't say you can't say that they sat on a stool was a bit cringe yeah props I've always had a problem with props and celebrations I would imagine they were just requesting a club but you know what it is he's got an actual stall that's from Ghana that's carved in wood.

53:44Yeah, I appreciate that. You can't have that there. Just imagine getting off the plastic. He's got his Beats headphones on, his little Louie wash bag and this plastic stall. Little plastic stall. They must have got it from somewhere because I doubt they took it with them because that would be too much. But they must have just found a stall in the road somewhere and just took it. They were not happy. This is what Craig says. He says, surely there isn't always a spare one. Has someone been carrying this stool to every game for the last two months on the off-chancey backs? Great question, Craig. Britt Cardi-Bree says, the Lewis family put their money where their mouth is in January.

54:28Who do we buy first and in what position? Semenyo, Semenyo, Semenyo, Semenyo, Semenyo. Yeah, he's just unbelievable. In every position. He is fucking incredible. him and Wharton are the two just absolute standout incredible players which I still think there is a chance that they might want to come to Tottenham can I say something to you so we've turned down this 4.5 billion pound bid for Enoch they're ready to back the club in the way that we hadn't been back with Daniel Levy I don't think we can spend 200 million pound even if we had the cash in January because of PSR rules. But if we could, and they just went to Palace and went 100 million, Adam Morton, we'll have him, thank you.

55:18And 100 million on Semenyo, thank you, we'll have him. That's the kind of club you want. That's what we're talking about. It will never happen, but that energy behind that kind of transfer, that's what we need. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I just think we could win the league if that happens. If we get taken over by the right people and there's money to be spent, then we've got just as much chance as anyone because of the room and where the club is now. The argument has always been, well, will that ever happen? But I mean... It will happen. I mean, I was gutted about the DJ not getting it because when he was firing out like 1.2 billies everywhere, Ricky and I were the most excited we've ever been.

56:03in like talking about billies yeah so the the cost of the club would have been 3.3 billion and there'd be 1.2 billion pound allocated to spend not just in like on everything right but and these guys had no like they weren't like bad guys these are baddies like these are these aren't meanies like these are these are just you know tech bros yeah yeah crypto guys um i i um it's funny that because i've got a mate who'd be listening to this alex and he knows about crypto he writes articles about crypto you're heavily invested in it right um and i said well are there people out there because four point i know people i know people have made hundreds of millions on bitcoin 4.5 billion feels like a lot for cryptocurrency as someone who doesn't really understand it all and he was like mate that's literally a drop in the ocean there's people so wealthy from from bitcoin and other things who got in early adopters and and then this is like chump change for them and if there's 10 of them putting money in it's nothing anyway so the guy brooklyn surname has escaped me dj yeah i don't think it's brooklyn dj i think he's a serious businessman all right but he's took a profile he's in a uh like a baseball cap with glasses and he's doing like thumbs up which anyway he's tweeting and i've tweeted him and said mate can come on the podcast let's talk about this because he's being and he's like 100 when the 2.7 is done which is apparently when the declaration of the bid or the pulling out of the bid or something, it's like a final formal piece where information gathering has been done.

57:38I'll talk after that, which I didn't really, I wasn't sure about what that meant because I thought it'd been rejected out of hand. Anyway, there was lots of nonsense, wasn't there, coming out about him. It was like an unsolicited bid in the press and he's just come back with receipts and was like no it wasn't here's here's documentation this is the tour we did around the stadium this is these pictures from meeting rooms where we were he just had the evidence that they'd been talking to the club for a while um anyway he i tweeted him said would you come on the pod and he's like yeah after that i definitely would and i'm like that i mean that would be sensational could you imagine how interesting that would be and now he's deleted his account or he's lots of his account deleted all his tweets.

58:19So I don't think it is happening, ladies and gents. I just think he did a stadium tour like everybody else and then knocked up a document on Word. Oh, look what I did. It's all made up. Nah. I hope he's not listening to this, Cal. Oh, sorry, Brooklyn. I would still like to interview him. So Brooklyn, the offer is opening if you are listening. Cheers, Cal. I won't be on. Don't worry, Brooklyn. I won't be on. I'll be barred for that one. Yeah, Cal will not be there. It'll be on the lab anyway. Okay, what else we've got? One final thing. Anything else here? The Hunmin Theory says, what's your starting 11 once all the players are back?

59:03Defence is the same. Midfield is Paulinha. Is Madison? Is... Is... Sarr? Madison over Xavi? Yeah. Or Madison in the 8th. No. Xavi on the left, Madison in the 10th. Really? Yeah. Fuck off.

59:27Xavi 10, Madison on the bench. I don't think... I've kind of forgotten all about Madison because it's a bad injury. And we're asking that of where he is in his career. He said if everyone's fit, that's what he said. It's going to take a year. Yeah. I was defence would be the same yeah Udogi I'm assuming what we mean instead of Spence on the left back and then I'd have Paulina I'd like to see Bergvaule still Paulina and Bergvaule with Simmons Kudus Solanke oh fuck I can't believe I'm going to say it but yeah I still I think I'd go for Tell over Odebert. Fuck off. You want to see Tell, I think Tell's best position is on that left wing.

1:00:18Yeah, yeah, he's not a striker. I think we'll prove it. But the answer is definitely Madison centrally and Simmons on the left. That is the answer. I suppose, yeah, if... It's got to be your answer if you feel so strongly about Tell. Relax. Sorry. In a magical world where you wave a magic wand and Madison is the player he was, right? Because I love Madison. I thought he should have won Player of the Year last year for us. I thought he was our best player overall over the season. So I'm not digging him out. But if you wave a magic wand, yes, he plays 10. And I get it. Yes, you probably would play Simmons on the left because it's just about getting as many of the best players in as possible.

1:00:55Tell is not a left winger by any means at all. He's a championship nine. And he's a nine. That's what he is. I think if we see minutes from him in that nine position, that's absolutely fine. But I think Madsen isn't going to be that player for another year at least. I forgot about Kulisiewski as well. It's Odderbeer on the left, I think. Until we get someone better. Can Deky play on the left? No, no. He's a right winger. He's going to be the perfect replacement for Kudus, I think, actually. Because he's got that strength. To replace it? You mean like when they rotate? To take minutes from him, yeah.

1:01:30I think he's going to be perfect. I don't think he's central. I've never... I don't... It's hard to find a standout game where Kulisiewski's been great in the middle. He's a great footballer. I think he's really good. Think about games in the middle where he's played in the middle where you think, fuck me, that was a great game. First season under Postacoglu, there are some examples, but yeah, I agree. I mean, we're sort of convinced by it because he keeps saying it, but perhaps a performance. You're probably right, it is Madison. It probably is Madison on the left, but I'd worry about Madison and Simmons that close together, if that makes sense.

1:02:09I'd worry about the middle of the part and going backwards, but yeah. I think the next step is 100 % going to be a left winger and a number nine. Yeah, 100%. Number nine is a standout, isn't it? Mourani, I still think, because we've just not got to see anything yet. He had 15 minutes and then he got a dead leg and we haven't seen him since, but he got one and two at Juve. He's a good player. There's a good player in there and he's definitely a number nine. Yeah, we don't know what we've got yet. Yeah, that's it with him. if he comes into the team starts playing number nine and gets some goals I've got a feeling he's going to be fucking unbelievable I just think the Premier League is perfect for him particularly this Premier League this season I think it's perfect for if you're ever in doubt just go back and watch that Frankfurt compilation it gets me so hard every time I must have watched it about five times in the last week since he signed even the Juve one you know there was last 19 shops compilations.

1:03:08His last 19, he scored every one in two and he was scoring them left foot, right foot, loads of headers. I was just like, he's going to be perfect for the Premier League. I think he's going to do well, but we haven't seen it yet. Sorry for that. That's it. That's it. That'll do. Thank you very much for giving up your time on a Sunday morning, boys. You're welcome. Let's go and roast dinner. We had a roast dinner chat last. What are you saying? Well, I'm the same as you, isn't it? So I cook, you know, I go the same route, my little veggie one. Yeah, but do you corn roast? I do enjoy a corn roast.

1:03:45It's all right, isn't it? It is all right. It's not really bad. Yeah, it's okay, but I also make quite a nice little, you know, nut roast myself. Okay. But so how religious are you about it? So you're having gravy from the chicken? No, no, no, I don't do that. No, I make my gravy. That's so good, mate. It's really good. It's so much better than Bisto. So, well, I make, yeah, I use it from the, just the juice from the apple, from the apples, from the vegetables and stuff. I can make my own gravy without red wine and stuff. It's enough. Cal, you having a roast? I'm a man of leisure. I'm on my own.

1:04:16So, what are you going to do? Pot noodle, probably. Look at him. He's just such a fucking slob. Hot dog. Honestly. That was my greatest, my greatest, I think my greatest ever interaction with Cal ever in my life is, he went, I'm just, I'll be with you in a minute. I'm just having some lunch. And I went, what, what, what are you eating at lunch out of curiosity? And he just posts a picture of a fucking hot dog. That was his lunch. A fucking hot dog. And then one's out of a jar. Yeah. Tinned potatoes. Oh, I lived. That was in lockdown, wasn't it? And me and you was probably recording three podcasts a day.

1:04:52Like wrestling, boxing, doing anything, anything, just to talk, just have someone to talk to. Cause it was lockdown. And yeah, I was like, I ate like a pig. lunch and there's just this little white plate a hot dog with some ketchup on it and a bun and I was like that's what you're what are you six that's your lunch it's good isn't it why don't you download Battlefield if you've got nothing to do might do Battlefield I do need it is that a gay place I've nearly finished Hogwarts Legacy now so I need we play Battlefield 2042 so do you fancy that alright I get that yeah but I've got to go because the race starts in a minute love you all what race F1 Singapore just get on my set it's the flame it's the flame cock it's the flame it's the flame cock a cab it's the flame It's a fight.

1:06:03Cook. It's a fight. It's a fight. Cook. The Cargo Chutland.

From the publisher

Spurs leave Leeds with three points after a professional away performance. We get into Thomas Frank’s in-game tweaks, Xavi Simons central, Udogie’s all-action display, and why away-day Spurs look miles ahead of home form. There is chat on Vicario’s big late saves, the midfield blend with Palhinha and Bentancur, and what changes once Solanke or Muani are back. We also touch on the broader Premier League trend toward set-piece-heavy, pragmatic football.

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