S15E25 - Drawn To Conclusions

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1:55Cock! A camel shirt! No! it's flat so he doesn't judge me I my favourite thing in the world would be if one of you lot got caught wanking on a webcam it's not it's not embarrassing it is embarrassing but it shouldn't be if you own everything hard enough it doesn't matter, Tom Garrett got away with wanking off one of his mates yeah you'd have to own it otherwise it's just I think he and he did brilliantly that's loads of friendship groups we've all done that stuff like that what you've never wanked off a mate what kind of freak are you what type of massive homo are you if you've not if you've not jiggled it about scared to not do it exactly I do wonder about the guy who gets his cock out like what was that thought process how did he get to that stage we used to do it all the time honestly when I lived with Craig Jason and Percy they would go I had no money at that time and they all had like quite uh labor intensive but kind of cash on the hip friday afternoon type jobs yeah so they go out into bristol on a saturday night like i'd wake up at two o 'clock in the morning and i'm genuinely i'm not joking the three of them would be of some at some point just got naked and they just actual like wrestling like one big ball of meat of three of them together just rolling around like like a You know when three people in a cartoon fight and it turns into a ball and you just see the odd hand stick out there?

3:30That's what it just used to be. I remember waking up at 2 o 'clock in the morning and going into Jason's room and I was like, what the fuck are you doing? And it was just the three of them trying to grab each other's... They had put sellotape on their nipples with a long piece of paper and you had to rip it off the other person. So it was just... But the funny thing about this, what if you shared the video of Tom Garrett thinking this is going to end him. He just says, okay, what? You feel like a right kind of... If you leaked it yourself, and the player says, okay, what? I did it. What do you do to that?

4:04What is the motive of someone who does share something like that? You've got a video. It's like that Colomawani and Paul Pogba. Is it Paul Pogba? No, I think it's Saliba. No, it was Saliba. Sorry, Saliba and Colomawani. Whereas Saliba, they're in the changing room. It might not be Colomawani. The story is that it is Colomawani, and I've worked at it a couple of times and I'm just, look, I'm being completely honest. There's not a racist bone in my body. I think it's him. It looks like him. It might not be. Right? He's wanking off in the dressing room in front of everybody. But the whole team are there.

4:38Saliba's there. His captain's right next to him. Saliba's filming him having a tug. It went on Snapchat though, didn't it? That's the issue here. It's not like someone leaked it. It went on Snapchat. At least that's my understanding of it. Yeah, and then Saliba's looking and going, that is quality, I'm going to send that. See, yeah, yeah. What I think's happened, right, is that, like, the older people I know, like our age, would be like, that's quite funny, fair play, yeah. Just own it, that's all right, don't matter. It'll make no difference to us. No. I think the younger the people are now, the more of an issue that they're going to have with...

5:12More prudish. Yeah. So basically, just wank your mates off, it's fine. If you haven't wanked, I mean, not all the way, but if you haven't had at least a little... like jiggle around vinegar do you know do you know what do you know what Thomas Frank and Tottenham remind me of at the moment it's like you know your missus has sexy underwear but she keeps wearing her big pants and you're getting down to it and you're like I wonder what she's got on under there and it's the comfy pants is it as long as you're comfortable are you and I want you to be comfortable yeah like 1999 99 % of the time, big pants are fine.

5:51But sometimes you just want to let, you know, show yourself off. Yeah. And that's, that was kind of what I was thinking on like 60 minutes when we had mounted a significant attack. Show yourself off a bit, Spurs. Frank, show us what you can do. Show a bit of leg. I don't want to see the big pants anymore. I want to see some sort of frilly knickers. Completely agree. Completely agree. I mean, I was reading a book about, it's actually fictional, but it's about migrant dinghies. And obviously it's a bit sad, some parts of the book. But I think I've got more pleasure out of reading that than watching large spells of the game.

6:28You know, watching distressed families, you know, die in the channel. It was a fictional story, so it's fine. I can make a sort of semi-joke about it. I mean, based on fiction, though, T. Pretty much based on fiction. It's based on real life, but I just thought I probably got more out of that. I don't know, it is frustrating and I think we've had so many managers we've tried all the approaches, we've tried to go in on them straight away we've tried to have a bit of patience to make excuses for them and it feels like we're kind of in that stage of Thomas Frank but there's so many mitigating circumstances there's a 17th place finish last season and the amount of games we lost he's trying to kind of rebuild confidence but I think Fled, you've said multiple times that we are a top 16 and that squad is capable of finishing there.

7:13So I guess if we fall anywhere short of that, then it's going to be angry fans.

7:21Yeah, I, it's, I mean, the one we've sent out requests for questions and we've had one lad whose name is Frank Out. Maybe there's something about Mary fan. Love football fans. They've turned on him already, some of them. And it looks like what we thought, Alex, that we'd escaped this sort of world where everyone was hating each other to now, well, it's already begun. Ten games in, Frank's reign, get him out, he says. Just get him out. It's a nice you can rely on. There's not much you can rely on in this world, but you can rely on football fans to kind of lose it a bit after, you know, a month of liffiness.

8:03Lose hope immediately. Like, if he was on a rubber dinghy and you're like, you just the plane had just crashed and you just fashion this rubber dinghy and you're out at sea within about six hours he's drinking salt water isn't he it's just like no it's pointless this is pointless we're not going to get saved i'm going to kill myself as quickly as possible by drinking this salt water um yeah and the other solution here it's a frank out javi in which i presume he means what's the name of the psg manager oh Enrique who is it then the Barcelona legends see what's a Barcelona lad in like that I'm going back to where I was at before and saying that Thomas Frank is creating a hard to beat team and eventually it'll be a bit more sexier than it is right now that he's confident if we play but had Paolini and Bentancore in that midfield together that the likelihood is that we won't lose.

9:10But that's not... The frustration is coming from... That's not how you live, is it? That's not... You can't just go, oh, let's just not... I'm not sure it's even that. I think last night... I think if it had been like... If Monaco had had the same amount of chances as we'd had, I think people would have been like, okay, fucking hell. I want some nice underwear. but all right, fine. Their XG must have been what, about 8? 2.5, I checked earlier. Yeah. It's high, 2.5 is very high. Yeah, and it's not like, so it's not like, oh yeah, Christ, they couldn't even break us down. They could break us down, but they just couldn't finish and Riccario made some amazing saves.

9:56And like I said, they've scored loads of goals, so I kept hearing, and they couldn't score past us and they've conceded loads of goals and we couldn't score. So that game pretty much, that nil-nil, maybe not the performance, but the result pretty much summed up where we are right now, where we are harder to beat. All right, last night they probably should have won, but we definitely, definitely are harder to beat. But we also can't score any goals. So it's just about which one you feel comfortable. It's like, I don't think it's that bad. and I think I'm aware of the fact that if this had been Postacoglu, I don't know what the fuck is going on but I am willing to give him as much time as he needs because I just know and have seen and there's evidence that he actually knows what he's doing.

10:50My issue with Postacoglu was that I don't believe you know what you're doing and you are out of your depth and it's turned out you know, forest thing aside, I think that's the same thing. So I don't want to give him time. Whereas Frank will get my trust for as long as he wants it. I think that the, I think the key, if you're looking at Spurs, I think the key is that Ben Senko and Paulina partnership. And like I say, defensive stability is there, although yesterday we should have got beat, but the, the, the gap between them two and the forward line is just, it feels gargantuan at times. and it's not like he must they i mean they're really intelligent football people like frank knows his stuff he clearly knows his stuff cochran you know much heralded his his reputation and the work that he's done previously they know they're not not seeing what we're seeing right so they must be working on how to make it better i hope they are unless this is this is what frank want this is the final form of frank which it can't be right it's not this isn't the way he has played football previously.

11:54It is the way he's played football previously, but not in the entirety of his managerial career. So, do you understand the frustrations, T? Do you like, do you, do you, are the fans that are kind of moaning about his style of play too impatient and, you know, he needs more time to, to instil a more attacking style of play and this is just a start. Let's be difficult to beat to begin with, become solid, know our roles and then the attacking side of it will come. Yeah, I mean, what you're saying is correct. I think the, I guess some of the issues is kind of what he says in the interviews. He doesn't kind of indicate that, oh, I've taken over a team low on confidence.

12:35I want to make a tough to beat. It's not really said that. It's kind of said, oh, there was enough intensity and I don't know why. He plays over number 10, but doesn't seem to want to get the number 10 on the ball a lot. I think I might have seen an image from Sunday where Zabby was just being bypassed the entire game. no one's given him the ball and I think Bergwell was at 10 yesterday wasn't he and I forgot it was playing until he gave the ball away on the 40th minute I just think if you are going to play over number 10 you've really got to get them on the ball as much as possible so they can at least dictate stuff in the final third just play 4-4-2 if you're going to deny that then just play 4-4-2 get the crosses in the mix big men little men end off you know what I mean but it feels like we're trying to play football but you're not giving the player who's going to be the match I'm going to control stuff I'm not giving him the ball you've got to find a way of if you're going to sign someone like Xavi Seamans then he just has to have the ball he's not as good without it I mean he was decent defensively on Sunday but he needs to be on the ball in dangerous positions to make something happen and thus far his form has been patchy but I think the Leeds game was probably his best performance and that was a transitional game but again he had a lot of the ball and he just needs that I mean, Madison is somewhat similar.

13:51He's a bit less dynamic than Siemens. But I think the fundamental issue there is that you've got Benton, Cor and Perlino, and they're just passing the ball sideways. And, yeah, I think we need someone who's going to take a few more risks in that position, especially at home. How good was Vacario, by the way, yesterday? Amazing. Without him, it could have been – because I know he gets thick, and I've given him stick and stuff like that. But credit where it's due. and it was like they could have had four or five. Yeah, there was two real. I mean, the one-on-one down to his left is really close to his body.

14:26I thought the one that kind of came across was kind of good reactions, but it was kind of straight at him. But no, he's, you know, did his job. Yeah, he's a shot stopping. Like that's what we know he is good at, you know. So when there's games like that, that's great. But again, you're right. It could have been four or five. I just last night was disappointing but I'm willing to forgive almost any away performance after us having the type of results that we've had away from home in the last what, two years I'm at a point now and I think the Premier League is at a point now I know it's the Champions League last night but I think football has moved more in a direction where the result is the be all and end all now, you know, the performances and the more that we're seeing of long throws and you know set piece kickoffs you know even this type of stuff is happening more and more now so away performances are literally just about the result for me I don't care if it's good bad indifferent lucky I don't care but at home as T says yeah there's gonna have to come a point where he's where he's he acts like he's not at Brentford anymore and it was my only my only reservation about Frank is and was and I said this from the beginning is how long it would take him to be in the mindset of a you know I don't like the phrase either but it is what we are is a big six club of being in that mindset particularly in home games against teams that we should be beating how quickly does he roll into that mindset where you know right we go and win this now we don't stick for a draw type of mindset and that might just be something that just has to come I'm sure he doesn't think like that constantly, but it might just be almost like a second nature at times.

16:10So I'm interested to see how that goes. The frustration I had on Sunday was how rubbish our press was. Villa passed around it so easily. He talks a lot about intensity, but the press is a big part of being an intense team. And it just seemed very, very easy to pass around. But these are all things that, you know, us laymen can see, and he surely sees it too. And I'm sure he's got enough going on between his ears to try and fix it. We've got two games a week between now and the next international break next month. So there's time to fix it. But I think the squad is better than those home results, at least.

16:50It just feels like, I don't know, it felt like Emery just kind of knew what he needed out of that game. And the concern of Vicaria, even though yesterday kind of disproves it a little, is I feel it's a little bit Paul Robinson with long shots. If they shoot early, he doesn't always seem to get down. The Leeds goal was a similar kind of long-range shot, but it was early. And he powered it into the direction of Okafor, who puts it in. Villa, two kind of speculative shots, early shots, and he wasn't there. So maybe teams are seeing that Vicario from range, if you shoot early, it doesn't set his feet up.

17:26I don't know. Maybe it's something for him to work on. I was quite encouraged by Archie Gray yesterday. I feel like, I know he's playing out of position again for about the 50th time in his Spurs career. Left back this time. And I think there was definitely some chemistry issues between Odebeer and Gray. There was a couple of times Odebeer could have played him in and didn't and decided to cut inside, which is sort of his style of play. But, you know, they've never played a competitive side in that sort of positional sense before and Gray being behind him. so there's some of that in there but I just think like we're getting closer and closer to a time where Archie Gray needs to start for Spurs I think and I think that he potentially will be able to bridge the gap between this defensive midfield or the Benton Carl Rock Benton Carl roll and getting the ball up but what is it that we need in that middle of it he will because I've seen people say this and I was impressed with him last night I thought he did really well um really well but my feeling keeps coming back is that I think he's actually going to, I think he's actually a really decent fullback and will end up being a really good centre-back.

18:34I just don't see it in the middle. And I think, but what is his strength that will, and this is a genuine question now, what is his strength that will give us something that Benton Court doesn't give us to the level that we need it? Well, I think Benton Court's the big issue. Maybe what Benton Corr's been asked to do is the big issue here. I think he's quicker, more direct, and more composed than Benton Corr is. On the ball? Yeah. More composed? I don't know about the ball. All I see is Benton Corr loose passes and miscontrols. There's parts, not all I see. I see good parts in his play as well.

19:18But we cannot continue. Well, we can continue. This could just be it, right? We could be hoping to potentially, you know, pick up points by one goal margins and maybe look for a sort of season that is fortuitous to us in the same way that Forrest was last year. A lot of narrow wins for them. And this is it, right, in the short term. This is what Tottenham will be. And actually with Solanke coming in when he's fit, you'll have two target men rather than just having kudos and, you know, barely a footballer in the number nine. You know, at least Stelanke comes in and can actually do something. I think Gray, it just, in the few times I've seen him, I like the idea, or at least I want to see it.

20:06I don't know if it'll work, but I want to see it where he is allowed a bit of freedom and given permission to carry in midfield. The biggest problem against Villa, they press brilliantly. we couldn't get out the amount of times we lost the ball in our own half against Villa it was just insane but then you think well what's the option you're pumping it long to tell or pumping it long to Richarlison and you're like that's never going to stick it's got a stick hasn't it and I think Kudos is the only one I said in the group Kudos Kudos could be if we need something to stick up there I wouldn't be averse to sticking him through the middle because at least when he gets his back against the defender he actually is able to chest it down and it stays there for 8 seconds before it comes rocketing back to us.

20:52It might be able to get some people around them. I wouldn't be massively adverse to it. I mean, he played through the middle for West Ham. It's not like he can't do that. I think Richarlison was literally non-existent yesterday. Tell, you know my feelings on Tell. Odober, I thought, was better. But again, I'm still looking for that. Cole didn't play yesterday. No, no, I'm just saying in general. Oh, right. Our options. About our front line. You know, it's just easy to forget that, you know, there's no Kuliseski, there's no Solanke, there's no Madison, you know, and I'm guilty of forgetting that a little bit.

21:29And so there's time for that to come in. I think it's a fair point, but have Gray being able to be given the chance because at home, because we can see what, we've had enough evidence of Benton Kerr and Polina together. So we should be able to do that against a team we should be beating, you know. you know, a bottom half of the table team. And then see what it is. And hopefully I'm wrong. And hopefully he is everything that, you know, when Kane suddenly started getting runs up front and actually doing it, maybe it's the same for Archie Gray. I don't know. I mean, you know, Archie Gray, Golden Boy nominee.

22:04I got told off last time I coded him off, so I'm not going to go too hard on him. But I think he's got, I think he does have a big, a big future in football. And I've kind of mellowed on him a lot. and I think it could be given an opportunity there I think Saar is probably the one who's missed out a lot in all this because Saar was played as the number 10 before Zavi came along and it seems like it's either Zavi or Saar or Bergvot at the number 10 when I believe that Saar and Bergvot could probably be alongside Pelinha and move the ball forward in that position and Nachi Gray well I think I think there's a lot of potential there I thought yesterday he played really well at left back and probably also speaks to how the manager sees Spence he just sees him as just a one-to-one specialist and when Spence first arrived at Spurs we just thought he was just this like ball of a fullback he just pushes forward but he's just someone who's just really, really good at one-on-ones and I guess I can't talk about Spence without addressing my previous Pedro Poirot point I do stand by what I said about Poirot defensively that he does scare me defensively Having said that, he's probably the best playmaking fullback in the Premier League and massively important player.

23:21And he's a big part of starting our attacks. I mean, I think there was one amazing pass to Odebeer, which unfortunately Odebeer miscontrolled. But it's just a sign of what Paul has had the vision to see Odebeer available. And I think Odebeer is going to grow a lot this season. He's been given a lot of opportunities by Frank. And I like to see it. He's very positive. and I don't know, I feel that there is a player and he just needs to have that confidence to just take the piss with four-backs and just embarrass him and get the crosses in. But he's definitely getting there, Odebe. I kind of feel like, obviously, until January, that's his position, just let him play.

23:58Unless he's injured or you need to keep him for... Obviously, we're going to be playing games every three days, so you can't just play him in every game. And, you know, Tell will be the option if it isn't him. But it's just like, OK, look, there's a player in there, for sure. he's raw and um the level up from under 21s where he absolutely kills it every time for France obviously they have every advantage and they're playing a much lower standard and generally a much sort of weaker opposition but you see the player in him I think it's just like minutes in time let him get comfortable in the side he is our option until he has to prove it he has to take the opportunity now in the next between now and January if that is a position we are going to look to move and if that 100 million pound coming in is um it's going to be used on players that isn't 100 million pound and that you can just like oh okay well that's 250 million pound players that's not how it works 100 million pound money pumped in that can be amortized across five years so effectively that could be five 50 million pound players uh if they're amortized over five years So each one being 10 million to start with.

25:11So it's not necessarily just, we've got a hundred million pounds to spend on players. We know now that that's not how transfers work. And now payment of transfer work. Anyway, the point is, we have money to spend in January. Whether they'll use that to buy a left winger, I'm not sure. Probably will because how desperately they want it to Vino. But he's now got an opportunity to show what he's about, really. The world's biggest soccer tournament has arrived then you can trade the entire tournament on Calci. On Calci, you can trade every match from the opening stage all the way to the final. On Calci, you're trading against peers in a live market, meaning there's no house.

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27:34Nine. Yeah. Okay, fine. Yeah. If that's the case, then great. I don't want to be seeing Odober on the bench. Sorry, Odober starting with Moani on the bench and Richarlison starting on front or tail. Like, I hope that's where he is seen to be going in as a nine and not as a, I don't mind him as a winger, but I'll be mad if he's on the bench and Odober is starting. What were you, like when the team sheets come in when you say you've been mad I was not happy that Marani was on the bench last night I was like what is the point you might not be fit but what go on just like imagine I'm your wife I'm sitting next to your missus oh wow I don't do anything for God's sake I don't want to I don't want anyone to talk to me about football nowadays I just sit in in silence I just groan mate my dad my dad I was sitting with me old man and he'll be like trying to talk to me during the game and that's what I'm there for right we're supposed to be experiencing this together and I just don't say anything I just sit there and stare at the television like I know do you know what it's really bad because on Sunday I invited my mate Anthony who used to come to 1882 stuff with us all the time and comes with me to the socials so he came over because I had the little ones so he bought his little ones and we kind of sent them away so that we could watch the football in peace but I forgot I haven't watched football with anyone for fucking ages, like just sat on a sofa like watching football and I was like, like we would come, we were both like having a conversation knowing that we're trying to watch the game but we also both know that we can't just sit there.

29:08You can't sit there for 90 minutes without saying anything. And I was, maybe that's why after Villa, I was far less angry after Villa than everyone else and maybe it's because I wasn't just sat there on my own, in my own juices. It's so difficult watching football, watching Spurs on your own in a room and and I understand there's no one to vent. So naturally you'll go on social media and you'll just say the worst stuff, the worst version. You'll be so angry. I've dropped in the WhatsApp groups a couple of times to go after a couple of players. So angry, so fury and venom and unnecessary language, actually.

29:46That's fun though. It gets it out. It gets the poison out. And then you feel a bit better and then you can just watch the game again. and like because on the patreon we have um so i'll do five statements which is essentially what i'd like it to be is the final whistle goes i'll jump on the computer we'll give you 10-15 minutes of what i'm thinking what i'm thinking on full time isn't no one's going to want to listen to that shit he's shit he's shit he's a wanker he's fucking shit fuck thomas frank fuck fuck them all like that and then i calm down a little bit and i wake up the next morning i'm like actually i can have a sensible conversation about this now but that's my favorite ones though the real personal ones i got absolutely nothing to do with football like fucking ugly prick you get him out i fucking hate his guts i every fiber of that man it's good that's why like and i said we all get all sensitive with each other but we're all doing the same thing we're all just getting the poison out yeah i want to get my poison out i don't want to listen to your poison that's the thing that's what it's all about really this is why this is why I have to lock the group the minute the whistle goes I can't deal with what's happening in my own head I can't take your lot's stuff as well you'd have been pleasantly surprised I think we were all very I think we were kind of cheerleaders last night I thought we all did very well really I I you know it's bad you know when no one's enjoying it or even cause to move when in my brother's WhatsApp group there's not a single message there wasn't one so true there wasn't one message from minute one to minute 90 not a single message I was like Jesus that must have been poor that's happened a few times after Chelsea or Arsenal games where we've just all as a group decided like that didn't happen nothing that just didn't exist today yeah I mean look if you think look at our injuries as well and I know we're always talking about injuries but look this is significant Destiny Doggy out Romero out Now, Persumas now had his operation.

31:51I don't know if he counts as a first-team footballer anymore. Dominic Solanke, Dragerson, Davies, James Madison, Kulusevsky. It's like three of those back. I genuinely do think like, you know, I'm not saying that we're going to be playing a brand of football that everyone's going to get everyone off their seats and we're going to be super excited about in the short term. But I do think when Solanke comes back, you'll see a more productive outlet that we'll be able to go long over the press. And you've got essentially two target men. You've got Kudus and you've got Solanke. And we know Solanke can hold the ball up.

32:23You know he's good at bringing other players in. And as long as he's fit, I think that will be an outlet. Yeah, I think if we can stumble along to January in the process of getting Solanke back, making sure that Kulaseski is going to be ready kind of late January, early February. And hopefully Romero is not a big deal. doggy's back and everyone else stays fit. It's a lot of ifs. But... And then if there is money to spend in January and we go and we try and find a deep-lying playmaker and a left-winger, then it's almost like you can kind of get all excited all over again. If we're like ninth, but we've been touching distance of top six, are you cool with that?