S15E43 - Jam Tarts and Low Blocks

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1:30Cock, a camel, shut down! Hello, welcome back to the Fighting Cock podcast, Tottenham Hotspur. Well, we won a game of football, and we're going to talk about that. But before we do, we have to introduce Sean Cray, who's making his debut on the podcast. Also got Ben. How you doing, mate? All good? Yeah, good. Good, thanks, mate. How are you? Yeah, you're all good. Good, good. Sean, how are you?

1:52Sean Kray:Yeah, I'm good, mate. A very, very long-time listener, to be fair. you messaged me and say you said i've been listening since you're recording in a pub we're talking about the first two or three episodes of the fighting cop yeah i mean oh it might not you might not have been recording in the pub then i it was a bit it was a it was good about 18 months in yeah yeah yeah mate of mine he asked for a little shout out was uh paul glover he was the one who put me onto the fighting cop well thank you paul for doing that uh so i i would describe you sean as a geyser battle rapper is that fair that's the no that's what i go by yeah uh and you came up with a line recently i jam tar can you can you just you don't have to do it all but just read it out just have some context what because you're you're on stage right and this come up in my for yp and i'm looking at it and then and i'm like you're up against what i I'd imagine it's the American lady.

2:53Sean Kray:Yeah. Well, she's actually a Great Street crip from California. So that's why I went down the whole like that trying to mimic the gangster kind of route. Yeah. So, yeah. I said, so what do you think the coffin ain't big enough? Or you're too thick to fit in? I jam tarts in a box like Mr. Kipling. So good. And then when the crowd sort of settled down, I said, oh, you didn't get that one. Yeah. I didn't believe that you would. but take it from me love it was exceedingly good ended up going off more than the jammed tarts bit to be fair mate i mean as a as an american woman she's sitting there she hasn't got fucking foggiest what you're talking about brilliant not a clue and uh it's uh it's gone a bit viral now hasn't it you've had robbie williams contacting you about it yeah yeah yeah a few people just um yeah took me by surprise to be honest no bars mate that's class i love mr kepling i'm a big fan i'm a big fan mr kipling yeah so what's your number one mr kipling festive bakewell no you have one of them i'll make that so good bakewells are terrible no but festive one they're so nice festive bakewell i don't know get on it um so sure now how long you've been you've been spurs all your life from north london yeah 100 yeah i mean i was the oldest of three brothers So I never really had a brother like leading me into it.

4:20Sean Kray:My dad was actually West Ham, surprisingly, but he never forced it on me because he grew up in Highbury and his dad really sort of tried to force Arsenal on him and he didn't like it. And it was a bit of a kickoff in those days. So then by the time I was growing up in Enfield, I just said like you know everyone at school supports Tottenham that's who I want to go with and he said you make your choices so yeah terrible choice terrible terrible choice the first game I remember properly watching was the FA Cup semi-final 95 when Amakachi tore us apart forever it's such a like bad like way to support a club but yeah you would learn everything you needed to learn about our football club on that day like yeah can we do this can we get through to a final is there you know we were only four years since winning it right the fa cup yeah yeah is there a way and daniel amakachi we got battered but we got battered but i ended up going to bed just dreaming about klinsman's goal like yeah and uh it's about as top them as it gets well that the great thing about that era was like we we were playing a kind of brand of football that some of us just dream of now like you was at the game yesterday ben yeah and one of the major issues about it despite winning was the style of play but back in 94 i don't think you might even remember this ben when do you remember when were you born i was born 98 right so you absolutely won't remember this because you didn't exist but he so so we uh we were managed by lzr someone must have told you though yeah managed by lzr dealies we signed five forward players in one summer like imagine that right Dumitrescu well we had five forward players leading the line we didn't sign five we saw in Klingsman Dumitrescu we had Ander and Sherinham and Barby Barby and like in terms of like playing football in a certain way it was mad it was like Ange ball but kind of even more mental than that yeah I was always aware I was always aware of it but it was when we got Ange and in those kind of first few months that's when like my old man would pipe up and be like this is like our dealers yeah that would be it would be like harked back to that kind of time under under ang a lot with like my old man like his mates and stuff when we go so i sort of became more aware of it through that right it was terrifying but we played we in a way that it was just we're gonna score more than you and that was that and it's kind of the juxtaposition to where we find ourselves now where it's almost like, don't hurt me, and hopefully we can hurt you.

7:06The away end, I want to start with this, really, because I thought the support yesterday was some of the... It's always good, away from Spurs away, supports class, it's world-renowned. But yesterday was especially good. When we were previewing the game with Ricky, we were talking about what the vibe might be because there seems to be a shift in the Spurs fan base that booing ain't going to get it done, right? It's not this sort of negative approach around what we were experiencing and the hating of Daniel Levy and the kind of movement against the ownership and the administration of the football club.

7:37It's something that's been kind of current in the Spurs fan base. But it does seem to be the shift in recent weeks going, we've got to get behind them in some way. Did you feel that yesterday? Yeah, definitely. I was a bit the same as you. I didn't really know what to expect necessarily. Like, you know, I go away a fair bit and we always get behind the team no matter what. but you wouldn't necessarily, you'd forgive fans for being a little bit miserable at the moment. And, you know, it's one of those games after Christmas where it's just everyone's a bit like, you just don't really know what it's actually going to be like.

8:09But I thought the away support was amazing yesterday. I think that was the best away end I've been in all season at a time where we've kind of gone through the most difficult part of what has been a fairly miserable season so far. I think like lots of animosity towards Frank, but also the higher figures at the club on the eve of January which could kind of almost make or break the season or help recover it in sort of some way. Obviously, there's all the stuff about Paratachi. Just the backdrop of the game is probably the most, I guess, miserable people have probably been going into it, especially off the back of Forrest away a few weeks ago too.

8:41But the away sport was brilliant. Like, absolutely brilliant. Like, got behind the team from minute one. I'm really glad it came through. There was a lot of people saying it. There was also, like, a lot of, like, it was just good fun as well. Like, it wasn't just about getting behind the team to a lot of Bilbao chants that were kind of coming back and stuff as well and I'm glad that kind of that legacy still lives on a little bit uh because you know it's been it's been a sort of dire season so far so I'm glad you know we've always got that you know so but it was great the away end was absolutely quality yesterday and although it wasn't necessarily a performance that matched that you know I think you could tell the players and the manager appreciated like when they came over at the end and I thought yeah I thought we were it was really good it was really good my dad didn't say the word for like 15 minutes in the first half right just sitting there and i kept glancing at him again is he is he alive let alone like he's had a big couple of days right we've had the family round and whatnot and then and after a while i was watching it we weren't saying much and he just went this is terrible this is certainly my dad's really confident like really positive generally around spurs yeah this is terrible where are you at sean what where are you do you have a violent opinion here

9:54Sean Kray:do you know what it feels like is you know when like a kid's being bullied or tormented or whatever and they go through that quiet stage the head goes down you know they're they're taking the taking their ribbons and then all of a sudden something triggers them and they've you know they've got tears in their eyes and they're just like go on head let's be having you come on i'm here and it's like it's almost like that it's kind of like it's got so bad that all of a sudden it's triggered something off in the fan base that was that was the only thing i was taking from it last night i was saying to my mates i was like it's just loud in that end because it's and it ain't been like that for a long while i don't go to so many away games these days this year i only went to uh city away yeah and it was obviously a good result but there was something missing like in the in the stands like you know it was a brilliant result but it weren't i've been to man city so many times over the years and i've really really gone mental when we scored and it's been scenes it was just it's just off like it's just a little bit toned down from what it used to be and i just feel like something needed to sort of trigger it off because i was years ago i was at that for that villa park game when harry kane scored the uh the deflected and i remember the mood before we was all drinking in this marquee and everyone was chucking beers around and it was almost like things have got bad to the degree that you're like you're making your own fun yeah yeah yeah and you go you go there and he scored that goal and he came and and i just remember we came bouncing out of that stadium and it's just sometimes when you go down to those lows you find something and it sparks and it turns around so quickly that it's a couple of players a little bit of good feeling and it can turn around and hopefully we're on the cusp of something like one of the best atmospheres i've ever been a part of was was wigan spurs wigan right at home we had i think it was at the the one day ramos run and we drew nil nil while we're gonna home it might be i might be getting my dates wrong right and there was nothing going on no hope and suddenly there was just this pocket of noise i was sitting in block 35 30 34 maybe in part lane and there was just this sort of noise that was sort of building this sort of like rhythmic sort of chanting um it might even be my thing y 'all i don't know what it was and um and uh and and it sort of started to grow and grow we had maybe an opportunity but and then it just there was just this sort of spreading of atmosphere and it's hard to sort of pin it down like why is this happening now but it definitely happens in times where things aren't going right in the pitch and everyone's like you said make your own fun remember actually why you follow your football club and it ain't to be guaranteed a win certainly not when following in Spurs but it's something different about our club that you might not get elsewhere and it's I think that it felt like that yesterday and it felt like that a little bit the other day at home as well I can't remember we played yeah Liverpool Liverpool's the only game I've actually missed this season but there was a lot of people that were coming out and saying especially when we were even 2-0 down like the fans really and that came through on the telly as well to be fair you felt that they were really getting behind the players and I do think there's maybe a little bit of a bite back to some of Frank's comments off the back of the Chelsea game still lingering there in terms of who's a proper fan and all that kind of stuff um and maybe that's still a little bit raw and the fans are kind of determined to show that they are behind the team and all that and I think maybe yesterday as well like I said earlier it was the first game back after Christmas people hadn't seen their mates in like a few weeks who they go with and stuff and it was just like right this is what we do it for kind of thing and like you're right Sean it's like me and my mate George who I go away with a lot it's like we always just say anyway the best part of the day is never the football it never is and it's just about connecting with those people and I do think you're right in the sense that you find that again when it's when you're kind of at your lowest almost and to be fair I'm quite glad we've got I'm going Brentford on New Year's Day and it's like I'm actually looking forward to that now it's like I'm looking forward to going again and just like not just because we've won and it's like oh my god we could be turning the corner whatever it's just like I'm looking forward to actually going and feeling that and being behind the team and kind of, yeah, remembering kind of why you do it because it's been so bleak.

14:24I mean, we've somehow still got the best away record in the Premier League after not winning for two months, which is funny. So it's been all right on our travels so far this season. But yeah, you're right, Sean. Like even I was at City at the start of the season. It was like, I don't know whether, I mean, the first goal that we scored, there was a long VAR check, which sort of took the sting out of it a little bit. And then that anxiety, because they were on top of us and whatever. and I think it was good towards the end of the game because it was like start of a new era lots of like Thomas Frank's Blue and White Army and stuff I mean that's all kind of disappeared now and I don't know like it has felt like something's been missing a little bit this season maybe that just is the style of play and stuff but yeah it was really good yesterday the sport so do you want to say something Sean?

15:07Sean Kray:yeah no I just agree to be honest it's something something needed to sort of spark it up but it's one of those ones where there's not an awful lot on the pitch that's really like really, really excites you. You know, when like players of the past where like the board fizz out to certain players and you just kind of think he's just got the edge. There was a little bit actually with Odebeer yesterday when he ended up hitting the post and you just kind of looked and you thought he's got the edge on him and he's one of the players that actually can hit a ball. it's like there's there's other ones where it's like i don't even i don't this doesn't even like warrant my heartbeat getting up because someone else you know like colo muani is like running through and it's like or you know the there's just there's so many kicks in the teeth watching tottenham these days you know you know if if we had a player that could sort of pick out a nine from midfield, then the nine wouldn't trap it anyway.

16:15Sean Kray:There's parts of that, Sean, there was parts of that first half, which is definitely your, it changed when Odebeck came on because it felt like there was some sort of invention to what we're doing and there's an outlet against tired legs, you know, a tired Palace side as well, who've got some really good players, but a couple of, Deveni is useless. I know he's young. I know he's like, he's come from out of nowhere from Scotland. He is nowhere near a Premier League footballer. But we're up against, and Kline, who's like 39. He could even be well into his 40s. So there was an opportunity for Odebeir to come on and do something.

16:52And he really did. And that was the outlet. But it felt like for a lot of parts of that first half, we get the ball and there's no point, like you said, it's not even worth a raised heartbeat because we are not going to be able to get an opportunity to be excited because of the system, because of this fucking, if it isn't Paulina and Bentoncourt, it's Gray and Bentoncourt, it's not their fault as players. It's just they've been asked to be way too conservative.

17:19Sean Kray:This is it. It was like the 55th minute and we were defending like it was the 92nd. And it was kind of like, it felt like it was inevitable. It's just, obviously the goal never came. They had a couple of close ones and luckily they did end up sort of fatiguing and we ended up nearly getting goals at the other end. But you just can't help thinking that if you're setting up like that week in, week out, you're going to lose more than you end up winning. Yeah, you're asking for trouble. Absolutely. Like, you know, Mateta was giving us all sorts of grief and it was like, but he just wasn't able to sort of turn around and actually score.

18:01Sean Kray:but he just kind of felt, he felt like they were so much more dangerous than us. It's so funny you talk about Mateta, right? And it's how different fans react to their own teams. Because I do another podcast called Football Between the Lines with a geezer called HLTCL on Twitter, right? And he's a big, big Palace fan. And I was going, we're talking about the game, and I went, Mateta was a bloody handful. He was just causing us nightmares. And he went, he's shit. He's absolute shit. You can have him. And I was like, what are you on about? I don't want him, don't get me wrong. I'm not sure he's the answer for us either, but he definitely isn't shit and wasn't shit yesterday.

18:41It didn't quite work for him, but he caused Danzo problems big time. Especially first half. There was a couple of times where he just pinned him and then spun him and then played the ball out wide. And it just felt like, I didn't see it back, but even when Danzo got booked in the first few minutes, it didn't look like there was a load of contact, but it was Mateta again causing him problems getting him behind him spinning him and it was like this could be a long long day yeah in the first five minutes they cut us open completely didn't they through the middle of the pitch every single time it was just like so for a team that doesn't sacrifice anything really from a defensive point of view like unlike we did with Ange to make us better going forward we are so easy to play against it's unbelievable like we're so easy to cut open second half defended well really well we defended our box second half well I thought but it was just like you said Sean that kind of inviting of the pressure you're asking for trouble really there against a team that play midweek as well Palace they've got a lot of injuries and stuff at the moment they're so depleted but we just gave them that bit of confidence and it kind of only really it took it to like the 75th maybe minute for that to sort of go away and to be fair Frank's changes I thought made a difference I thought Paulinho in the middle of the pitch just helped break things up he was one man of the match Paulinho?

19:52yeah well don't say that on Twitter mate why? I don't know People just hate him. People just hate him, don't they? No, I mean, I thought, if you use Paulina in that way, I think he can be really valuable for the squad for the rest of the season. Like, coming off the bench and just breaking things up. Yeah, he was great. We had our wanker in midfield. They had theirs and Will Hughes and we had ours. Fucking hate Will Hughes. He's a scumbag. I hate him. But yeah, Paulina came in and we were winning battles. We were competitive suddenly in midfield. Yeah.

20:19Sean Kray:We have a squad where we've got very few good players in it that you actually look at it and you say, They're good. You know, Van der Ven is good. I think Palina is good. He's just a specific type of player. Yeah, yeah. You know, if we found ourselves in a situation where we had a creative team with dangerous outlets or whatever and then you clonked him in there, I think he'd do a great job. I used to love him at Fulham. It's times that we went over to Craven Cottage and he absolutely battered us. We couldn't live with him in that midfield. And it's like, yeah, so people getting on his back does me nothing a bit because it's kind of like he's getting the full blame for something that ain't his fault.

21:06It's more Frank's problem, I think, than Paulina. I think you're right. I do think that, I feel like his impact on the team has diminished over the course of the season. But definitely at the start when Frank really fancied him and liked him, it was nothing really wrong with Paulina's performances at all. it was more just the fact that he was playing him alongside Bentoncourt and we need a bit more of a box-to-box or someone a bit more brave in there alongside him. Bentoncourt might be the problem, might be a part of the problem. I think, yeah. Frank's system is the problem. If he's not going anywhere, if we're going to start playing 50-50 football, which is what it seems like he wants us to do, and they've got Will Hughes in midfield just being everywhere, causing problems, winning balls, then as soon as he just wilted into nothing when Paulina came in.

21:57So if we are going to play this one where it's about dueling and testing football, which then having Paulina is important. The problem is that his limitations as a footballer get exposed when there's no outlet for him to just recycle the ball to. Yeah. Fenton Corr isn't that. I think Archie Gray could be. I wouldn't mind seeing an Archie Gray-Paulina double pivot if we have to fucking have one. What was going to say, Sean?

22:21Sean Kray:yeah no no that's absolutely right as i say if he's if he's got someone alongside him that can do the jobs that he can't do you know not every player is a complete all-rounder i remember years back like uh us having a midfield that was scott parker and uh and modric and scott parker looked like an absolute world beater in there he won player of the year yeah this is what i mean and like effectively what he did was break up and roll the ball to Modric and let him do the magic and it's it was it was only once Modric went and then he started thinking oh I've got to kind of try and do a little bit more that's when he got exposed because certain players to be in the Premier League and be elite at what you do is hard to do it's even harder to be a complete not every player can be Gerrard like it's you've got things that you're you're great at and Palina is that and you should have with the money that we've spent enough of a squad that there's certain games that you don't play him and it don't have to be oh he's been dropped you know you're at home to a team that you're supposed to have the ball he can sit that one out yeah but then there'll be plenty of games in the league where you need him and he can just be I just think he's been used poorly but yeah I do agree with that like you look back at like you go back to like the Wolves game for example and you're playing Paulina and Bentoncourt I think it was in a double pivot with Jarry Simmons on the left and then Bergvau in the 10 it was like we're playing Wolves at home it was like it shouldn't be about like you're going to have 75 % of the ball it shouldn't be about winning duels it shouldn't be about that you don't need two like cement mixes in the middle of the pitch it doesn't make sense there's been other games like that as well like Fulham playing two up top with Richarlison and Mewani leaving your most creative player on the bench and playing Paulinho and Gray in midfield.

24:08And it's just like, all it is about is just like, go down the line, try and put a cross in the box. And if that doesn't work, then try and do it again. It's just, it's that approach. And I think that mentality that is causing us problems. And, you know, I do think that the only, the one thing I would say about Frank recently is that at least in all of the negative stuff, at least we've seen a bit of continuity with the team. Like at least Archie Gray is getting a run of games, which is something that we've been asking for. At least he feels like he's found something that he can go, right, this is my template.

24:37This is how we're going to line up. I mean, it's not great, but at least there was so much chopping and changing prior to the last month or so. He feels like he's given players more of a consistent opportunity now that maybe did deserve it. There's also other areas of the team which he can't rotate, which are causing us problems. I think at fullback, Poro had another really poor game yesterday. But the problem is that we can't drop him or can't take him out because we've got no left back and Spence is having to play in a position that don't suit him whatsoever and his limitations on the ball are so exposed over there and it just makes for this real sludgy mess of a footballing team when you're trying to move the ball up the pitch it's just yeah a lot there's a lot of just there's still so much wrong but at least like like Gray for example at least he's getting a run now yeah this is it I mean and

25:27Sean Kray:it's that thing of like supporting the side as well if you've got if you've got Archie Gray and you've got Bergvau and that it's so much easier to get behind you know if if if they're finishing 10th in the league you know it's it's easier to get behind that than when you've got players that are kind of like approaching 30 that are playing in there who look like they're playing within themselves and they're looking to go elsewhere so if if you're going to be sort of back in a great he ain't good enough yet and like birdvale ain't ain't good enough yet like but i'd prefer to see them in there than some of the other players you know but yeah pedro poro like you say he was the space that in kate like in ketia was looking like i think neymar or something like at times but luckily luckily like he was crossing like in ketia like because but i just thought The amount of times that he was ripping around the back, I'm thinking he's got to be something wrong there with Pedro Borough.

26:27I mean, yeah, some games, he does have a semi-decent defensive performance. And then you look at his delivery, obviously he's cross, essentially made the goal for great to score his first ever goal in pro football. And his cross in for the disallowed Richarlison's first goal was impeccable. But he needs, I don't know, It's too late to make him anything else other than what he is. Defensively, it's an issue. I wanted to focus a little bit on how... K-pop Demon Hunters, Saja Boys Breakfast Meal and Huntrix Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi?

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28:42actually like the the franking versus frank out uh survey gets done every single game now and it's just every slowly edging towards everybody being frank out he's on it's something at 73 now 26.1 still want him in and i was just wondering if as spurs fans we've been too critical because i'm just really read this out based on this is the general feeling from the fans not just of Tottenham but how Palace fans feel about Glasner as well because I was shocked to read some of this. Anyway Thomas Frank on Spurs fans heavily criticise Frank's negative defensive sets up calling it anti-football and the most inept negative manager in our history that's a bit harsh.

29:27Many label it boring and unacceptable with calls of Frank out due to backward passing and parking the bars off to score him. Some defend it as pragmatic for results noting he played that perfectly against Palace's possession they didn't really ever threaten us to be fair um and then uh and then on on palace this just blew me away uh opinions are mixed uh this is on glasner who's just one of the fa cup fans praised early pressing but slammed the lack of ruthlessness and fading energy calling glasner utterly clueless and suggesting fire glasner before he walks counter view see him as a superior manager being hampered by squad depth and fatigue from congestion blaming over tactics it's just mental how reactive fans are about their own clubs and i was wondering are we being a little bit too harsh on thomas frank and he should be given more time you're frank out ben i can see it on your face

30:19Sean Kray:are you frank out do you know what like if you were saying would i pull the trigger with frank right now yeah i know because only because of the simple fact that who you're bringing in and it's just going to be I think we're going to be safe I don't think we're going to go down I think that we're I think the whole squad is in disarray at the minute and I just don't think that pulling the trigger now is a good idea but do I want to see him start next season no like so he's he's he's one of those ones I can get my head around sort of pragmatic football at times the thing that does my adding with him is the fact that he keeps going at fans like you know you you are not doing a good job mate like you've you're you're upsetting people you're ruffling feathers and then you want to keep poking the bear as well you know and he might say oh you know i'm i'm being candid and i'm and i'm answering questions honestly and that like you're doing a job you know i can't go into work and just speak honestly like you've got you you need to you need to tell the line you know your Tottenham manager bloody well talk like it yeah and it just so that it's that side of it that winds me up he's um but I mean the football does wind me up as well because as I watching them week in week out this season it's um it is it's so hard to support it's so hard to get excited for anything i get a feeling when i remember that we're playing tomorrow or we're playing tonight and i think oh no like you know psg comes up in the champions league and you're thinking that should be you know if that was if that was villa or someone like that who was all sort of i've got i've got psg coming up that night you'd be absolutely buzzing for it like you know you think of champions league games of the past you you you're you're planning your day around that night.

32:20Sean Kray:Now, I don't even want to watch it. It's a problem, right? I'm not proud of my team. You don't want to watch your own football club. I was thinking about, I was so glad we didn't play on Boxing Day. I had a lovely Boxing Day. I had a lovely Christmas Day. Spurs couldn't come in and somehow fuck it up for me, which was great. But like you say, there has been a shift. Where are you, Ben? Are you out? Very similar, to be honest. I don't want him to start next season based on what we've seen right now. I don't really want him to be managing Tottenham right now based on what we've seen this season.

32:55But the reality is that they're not going to make that change and there's no one really out there. Do you believe he can get it right? Do you believe he can turn this around and start getting results and playing a bit better? I mean, he's not got a better opportunity than the next handful of games. When you look at it, we've got Brentford, we've got West Ham, we've got Burnley, we've got Sunderland, and we've got... There's one more. Bournemouth who are in disarray at the moment themselves there's not he's not going to get a better opportunity to build some momentum than in January and I get it it's difficult game come thick and fast injuries might prop up and all that kind of stuff but you know if you can get through that and have a decent January in the market as well and add some quality to this team that's kind of obviously missing too which is you know not just on him but then then maybe but as we sit right now you know yesterday was a really you know good win an important win just to kind of round off the year in actually a positive manner but there was nothing there that made me further convinced even though we were missing a few key players and stuff that made me convinced that he could turn it around I don't see it I'd want him to I'm not one of them you know I think there was a lot of obviously when you're at the game you're not reading Twitter through the whole thing but I saw a lot of people making tweets like there was this kind of sentiment there were almost people a bit gutted that we scored and a bit gutted that we won because they wanted him to be sacked I think that's just like embarrassing and then people going at Frank for like any tiny little thing is a bit draining as well at the moment as much as he's not inspiring me and I do think any time he opens his mouth at the moment he's not that's why my dad was booing when we scored that's what I thought I was doing yeah he wondered why he's sitting in the front room just going boo no mate if any part of you doesn't matter what the situation is wants us to lose a game of football then you're a fucking moron yeah he's not going anywhere at the moment because Venkatesham's coming in the summer that it was his guy as well as Levy's kind of last last involvement I think that was was Levy's guy.

34:44Like he's, yeah, I mean, they're like a match made in heaven, them two. It does scream Levy, but I think, but Vinay probably, you know, at that point as well, a bit of a yes man maybe to Levy as well. But I also think that, you know, Levy was, Vinay was at Arsenal as well, wasn't he? During the Arteta period and I think he was quite key in giving Arteta time and he's quite influential and it does my head in when people use Arteta as kind of the yardstick for these kinds of situations because as much as I fucking hate that team, Arteta had to deal with like the situation that he found himself in was not really that similar to this whatsoever like he inherited a real real mess at Arsenal and I'm not saying that Frank didn't inherit a team that finished 17th or anything like that obviously it wasn't great what he picked up players influential players that were damaging they had to get rid of it was a lot a lot more stuff off the field I think that he had to deal with and almost rebuild an entire kind of football club I think and it makes me sick to give him that kind of praise but it just really annoys me when oh you've got to give him time because look at Arteta at Arsenal that's used not just in that's not just like Frank's not just judged through that it happens with other managers throughout in other projects across the league or in other countries or whatever but it really annoys me that but I do think because Vinay was there through that I think they'll look at it through that lens and kind of say look let's give him a bit of time here they'll give him another window obviously and this window is going to be very interesting to see what they do and what that looks like there's some Alistair Gold quotes this morning about That's right.

36:11I had the wave structure and all that. He said, the base analyst at Gold, left wing is a priority next month as he's potentially adding a midfielder and a centre-back. Natural left-back will be sore even now in the summer. If Spurs move for a striker, the club are one of many sides across Europe, i.e. in Samu Agahawa. Yeah. He good, has he been? He's right. He's at Porto. He was at Atletico. He was the one I think that was going to go to Chelsea or he was involved in some weird FFP deal with Chelsea and Conor Gallagher a couple of years ago and he's at Porto. He's doing okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

36:47I mean, that does worry me slightly that they're still so... They see the left wing as the biggest priority. And don't get me wrong, I think our left wing does need an upgrade. I like Odeber and I like Tell, but I still think in terms of improving... That is a foundation that can obviously be improved upon. It's Adam Morton. Adam Morton, they should be saying. Yeah, it's a midfielder. Throw in the kitchen sink. And also the fact that they can go like, oh, yeah, we might leave a left back to the summer. We've not signed a left back in like two years. That has been really damaging to our team. And you look at Jed Spence, and I think Jed Spence from a defensive point of view, again, yesterday, I thought he'd done okay.

37:19I didn't think he had a bad game. Yeah, you did. But in possession, it hurts us so much. And I love a doggy, and I think our attacking balance and the dynamic is a lot better when he's in the team. But you can't rely on him. And to not sign a left-sided defender, if we ignore it again this January, I don't know exactly, but it feels like it's going to be like four windows maybe since we last signed one. And that was Van der Ven and a doggy coming in in the same summer. It's not, that's a real, that has to be done in Jan. And I think a pass first, Wharton type midfielder absolutely has to be the priority to take this team up a level rather than a left winger.

37:54Big money though. The,