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1:25Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. It's the fighting. It's the fighting. Cock! It's the fighting. It's the fighting. Cock! A camel turner! I push my fingers into my eyes. It's the only way that makes me feel alive. I'll push my fingers in my fucking eyes. I'll do it right now, Rick. I wanted to do it last night, but I'll do it right now. It means I never have to watch Spurs play again. I'll push my fingers right in my fucking eyes. Yeah. It's like a feeling in your throat. I'm going to drive to where you live. I'm going to put both my thumbs in your eyes.

2:15Good. I'd never want to watch that team ever again. You're never going to see your kids again. Fine. If that's the cost of it, then fine. It'll be on the front of the local newspaper. Man drove from Wiltshire all the way to Bedfordshire to drive his thumbs into his friend's eyes. His furs are so bad. Friend is not prosecuting. He says, thanks. No charges. No charges. Oh, Christ. Do you wish you were blind, T? For about four hours a week, yeah. I wish that was possible. Just like opt out of sight. Opt out of one of the five senses. You in or you're out. Can't opt out of sight. There's some super powerful shit.

2:59You in or you're out? Are we going to blind ourselves today? I think we should. I mean, we haven't made packs on this pod before, so this could be the latest one. Maybe just go blind. Yeah. Let us know. We can do it all together. We'll arrange a time, and we're all going to blind ourselves. Use whatever you like. Go out of glass, bleach, drone thumbs, whatever it is. The irony of all this, of course, boys, is it wasn't even that bad. It was all right. The performance was okay, I thought. There was parts of it that were, you know, enjoyable 20-minute salvo in second half where it came on top and it looked like we were going to get back into it.

3:38Van der Ven's penalty, the goal, Charleston hitting the post. And in isolation, it's fine, right? You lose games of football in the Premier League. Of course you do. There's good sides there. that isn't what this is about is it no it's all of the it's all the other stuff that came before it yeah it's like if your missus has cheated on you repeatedly with a man that's previously beaten you up right just because you have one good night together doesn't mean or one okay night together doesn't mean you forget about all that stuff do you No. No. Got lots of PTSD when that's how many a goal went in.

4:22Of course, by the way, of course. Of course he will fucking score. His last ever kick as a Bournemouth player. Of course he's in the screen wriggers. Fucking hell, man. Do you need a fairytale ending? Cool Spurs. Cool Spurs. You just knew it. You just fucking knew it. Yeah, Dr. Tottenham's doing bits, man. I mean, even adding in extras, like letting him have his final kick be, you know, be the winning goal. Just got to top them away. What are we going to do? I don't know. I felt like this, like last night I went to bed and I was just so down and so despondent about it. Was you sad, Rick? Yeah, I was like proper sad.

5:05It felt like, like I was really, really sad. And I was just like, I'm just going to go to bed and forget about it. And the moment my eyes opened, that feeling just came flooding back. It was like I'd been out. It's like I'd been out the night before and I'd been up to no good. Got back in, next day hung over and Mrs. Digging me out. Kids want to play. I can't do any of that. I just feel awful and then I go to sleep that night and then I wake up and I still remember I still remember it's still on my conscious that you wait you wake up and you thought something what's the bad thing that happened last night yeah oh that's the bad thing that's the bad it's like I don't know punching your stepmom is that kind of feeling i did what i did what i remember that um tidal wave tidal wave peep show for that i can't explain um i see weirdly i'm in a different mind space altogether rick okay i don't feel anything that that isn't that more of a dangerous place yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it is a dangerous thing when when nothing starts to feel mean anything yeah i'm like when it comes to spurs i'm a nihilist nothing matters win so what lose so what some of frank's our manager so what our players are utter garbage so what they want to fight the fans okay whatever don't care remember is indirecting everybody at the football club yeah good fine i feel nothing i genuinely think my brain protects me at these stages because i i would say i've got to this stage three or four times in the last four years i think like end of conte when it was hell um large parts of postocoglu second season hell um and now hell yeah and i just feel my brain goes you don't have to feel this way and i appreciate you intellectually cannot cope with this so i'm just gonna dial it down a little bit for you my subconscious goes i'm gonna dial this down for you so you don't have to feel all these feelings it's amazing i'm like so many new girls went in they were like yeah of course it's fine yeah whereas you're you're in agony yeah right i am where where are you at t i was gonna say i'm exactly the same as you i was almost in the cut across what you were saying with what you said was so beautiful i thought it's let you go and let you land because it's exactly the same.

7:48I don't feel anything whether we win, lose or draw. I just don't feel anything. I don't feel, there was an anger when the Semenya go in, it was just a siphon. Oh, okay, you know, it's happened again. And every day we're having these conversations about, you know, what's happened to the managers? Did he play? Should he go? You know, as Kanye West once said, you ain't got the answers. And that's exactly what I haven't got the answers. I mean, I think, I think thinking in my head, I think Frank sees the season out barring a relegation charge. And it just is what it is. There's not many outstanding candidates to replace him.

8:23Pochettino was a romantic appointment, should we get him back. There's every chance that he peaked with Tottenham. But I think it would be a home run for the board to get him in. But yeah, I mean, even when we beat Palace the other day, I didn't feel ecstatic. and when we drew against Sunderland I wasn't necessarily erasing I just thought it was just coming and it's just a long line of nothingness and Romero is our captain he does that rant and again I didn't feel I didn't feel to like castigate him I mean I'm not one to comment on football players social media and stuff anyway but if I was at Reading I'd probably say what the fuck are you doing you can't say that which one was you Rachel and Bruce well you know I might have mentioned the Falklands once or twice but no I just looked at the I just thought, this is just, we've just got to let this run its course, haven't we?

9:12It can't last forever, surely. It can't. Football's a very transient sport. You know? You're right. You're right. We are one appointment away from it all. We're feeling much, much better. You're right. You do hold on to that. That's what I think this numbness is. I'm just kind of thinking with the amount of, can you stop fucking putting dates in your mouth? Listen, listen to the... It's a mint now. Sorry. I put myself on mute while I eat it. Sorry. that was back to the old days of the fighting cock right where you and t would he's so polite right but was really hungry he wanted a bit of chocolate or whatever and his eyes would go wide when he'd start chewing thinking the mic could pick it up we just watched t bosh four dates on the bounce um fuck what was i saying i got distracted by that what were we talking about I'm talking about filling nothing and that one appointment away and um being weird yeah no no it's like it's just it's just one of them really it's a friend of the the show Mitch he also runs Fan Narrative who we work with consistently and helps build the running order go and check them out on Twitter he said he's got a new song for us he's the reason we'll be we'll be playing in the championship champion I'll butcher this.

10:32He's the reason we'll be playing in the championship next season. And where the fuck is his mate from Sweden? It's Ben Tanker. Do you know how fucked I am from the game yesterday, right? I sent out an Instagram post request for questions. And I said, we've just been beaten by Fulham. I don't know why, my brain. I said, yeah, we've got beat again by Fulham. Didn't know he just sent it. people were like it was completely useless because everyone just went what do you fucking mean Fulham's I had no questions for the pod by the way my brain is scrambled a scrambled mess yeah Bentoncourt was another it was just a complete mess of a performance again the times and you're like just pass forward you've got the ball in space isn't it Rick just pass forward yeah there was a couple of times in the first half that I was just noticing that he'd have the ball at his feet and I could see tell open wide and a bird ball and it's like he's he's looking at them looking at them waiting waiting then he just passes six yards to his side i was like they're they're they're right there like you can see them just pass forward to them he did that a couple of times and then a couple of times as well he just gave the ball away so cheaply and i was like i just like i know right that i don't want to be like I am fucking going out there and batting for Frank but some of these players are culpable as well man like where Frank has said in previous interviews not for the game yesterday but post-match interviews where he's saying that we're we're losing the ball an awful lot during the game and yesterday again we were we were on the attack on the ascendancy and that final third just losing the ball and then the attack is coming straight back at us and it's like that it's really simple balls that we should be playing and we're just not doing that and I don't know what the fuck is going on but if you cut out half of those we're obviously I don't know whether it leads to a goal or to you know some kind of attack whatever but it's just like you can only do so much as a manager and the players as well have to be responsible for this so I'm not gonna like obviously um I I'm an I'm obviously annoyed with Frank but I'm not laying all of the blame at his door I I agree I agree with you there's decision making on the pitch is falling but there is a culture or an atmosphere that's been created that means that that's become much more regular than it should do players make mistakes passes go awry it's fine you understand it it's consistently poor build-up play and an unwillingness to to put past the ball forward that has to come it has to be direction because you can't be 20th in the league for free balls and it not be some sort of deliberate instruction yeah like people would say well if you had james madison we'd have more if that wolves don't have james madison they don't have anyone near it i don't even know if they have a number 10 i don't know his name but he's doing more free balls than tottenham you know you're that that that um that graph last week about had all the individual midfield players that played against spurs and their forward passes and it was more than our entire midfield altogether.

14:06Granit Xhaka, Adam Watton and Jordan Henderson. In each game, individually played more forward passes than our entire midfield. It's instruction. I also think that there was a lethargy there as well yesterday. I just felt that they weren't trying very hard. And again, that comes from inspiration, I think. I don't know if I'm reading into it too much, but I thought I saw that. If it was like we'll score a goal and then we'll drop off, we never seem to go for the jugglers. It was like we scored the opener, didn't we? I'm forgetting the order of the goals. I think we scored the opener. Yeah, exactly.

14:38We kind of dropped off a bit. And then we got about a 2-2 and then we kind of dropped off. Obviously, it's late in the game. People are tired. But it just doesn't feel like there's a killer instinct. And I think it feels like very much percentage football that we're playing. Obviously, three balls are risky. They're speculative. They don't always come off. But it's like a lot of the play we do isn't really, risk-averse because even if they're set pieces, we're just like, well we're going to rely on set pieces we're going to wait ages to dry the ball off get all our players in the box throw the ball, the defender clears it and it's a waste of fucking time there's nothing like, if you've got I presume if you've got a set piece coach surely you've got to be thinking, well okay maybe try and do a quick set piece where someone stands near you throw the ball off their back and you put a ball into the mixer.

15:31So the defenders are out of place. You put the ball over on top and we score. I'm no coach. But even something like that would kind of mix things up a bit. If it's just a case of, I don't know, just get everyone in the box, just lump it in the mixer and just see what happens. It's crazy. And then the stat that I think Flav said in the last pod about no goal to open play. That seems a bit of a weird one. I swear Richarlison's goal against Liverpool wasn't directly from a set piece. I don't know how many touches is the limitation on it. but these things are I feel like you've been waiting a week to make that point well a few days yeah I've been thinking I thought of a Charleston go come on what was that one that sort of was an open play but you know I think a lot of these things are just feel like it's by design and maybe Frank is making Bentancourt play a brand of football that makes him not want to look over the top and dink a ball over maybe there is that he's carrying the ball and I'm going do you not fucking turn you dare turn back do not turn back you turn oh he's turned back oh my god he's Passed it to Romero.

16:29Oh God, Vicarri's got it again. Every time, like that was the worst. I generally, when it goes back to Vicarri, I don't feel much at all. Yesterday, I was despairing every single time. Like, what is he going to try and pass it out? Then the forward move will break down or it'll go back to him and he'll just boot it long and they'll win it. And when it happens over and over again, you cannot be anything other than frustrated. I was, I was, I said I felt nothing, but I was, I was pretty angry of Vicaria's distribution yesterday. You know managers will do like a video nasty after a game and watch, play the game back and say, look, this is what you're doing wrong.

17:09But do you think a player has ever said, you know what, to the video guy, make me a tape of all the times I pass the ball back and I want to put it in front of the manager and say, look, this is what you're making me do. Yeah. Please release it from these fucking shackles. In the history of football, I must have happened at least once. He said, look, this is a video of what you're making me do. This is a video of what I can do. the World Cup season of Benton Corp was an absolute god this is what I can do this is what you're making me do try and make the two meet because I don't know I mean I think all three of us would agree that that version of Benton Corp is dead but surely he's better than what he's doing now yeah yeah of course he is but you know he has to he's going to take the brunt of the frustration because of either what he's been asked to do or he's I don't know maybe there aren't no options proper options available to him maybe we're too easy to defend I don't know what the reason is, but it's stunted.

17:59What did you... Great goal by Paulina. I thought his performance overall was absolutely fine. There was a couple, like two or three people on the pitch that kind of, I guess they can to some degree hold their heads relatively high. Paulina was one of them. Great goal, great tackling. And I think we've said it before, but some of the criticism is a little bit harsh and unfounded. I thought Romero was decent but what did you make of and actually lastly in terms of like praising people I thought Richarlison genuinely changed the game when he came on I thought he was one of our better players definitely should have scored that head out but was really effective when he come on yeah and also shout out to Tell his goal lovely work down I mean the move for that goal was great great passage of play and Tell cutting in on his right foot he scored quite a few those types of goals for under 21's French team and I thought he did I thought he did well and I thought Bergvot he there was a lot of effort from him and he was kind of everywhere and I just felt like he had like three shots maybe outside the area That curling shot in the first half was absolutely beautiful.

19:25That was so close to being a worldy. Loving technique. Yeah, like you were saying, Flav, by design, we've not been taking shots outside the box and it's kind of like it's a low percentage chance that that's ever going to go in, work the ball into the box, cutbacks, whatever. Do you think players are taking it upon themselves to be like, things aren't working? or there's an opening here. I'm just going to fucking take it upon myself and have a crack because I think Xavi had one yesterday as well and there was another player. Do you think it's like Frank's kind of like, oh, the penny's dropped. Let's try some long shots.

20:04All players are just like, do you know what? This ain't working. This is game time. I'm just going to have a fucking pop and see what happens. Yeah, I think it is frustration. It comes to a point where they just think, fuck it, I'm going to hit it. I think against Arsenal and Simmons, do you remember, he flashed a couple of shots wide. Yeah. It gets to a point where you're thinking, well, the system ain't working. It's almost like when Ange took Romero and Van der Ven to go to Ange and say, we need to play this way to win. And Ange said, if you can get the players on board, then we'll do that.

20:35It's like at some point the players do have to take responsibility. But then what is the consequence if you go against your manager's wishes consistently? He's going to drop you, right? Because ultimately you have to follow his plan. But yeah, I do. but also I don't understand a world where a player isn't encouraged to express himself in that way like that shot was beautiful from Beurge unbelievable technique and curling action and to kind of in any way take that away from a player is just mental to me and it is a directive because I'm not saying that Thomas Frank is sitting down Lucas and going, do not shoot.

21:18But there's messaging that was consistent when he was at Brentford because I spoke to the Brentford fans for the lab. They never scored goals from outside. They never even took shots from outside. They would just get it wide and cross it in and just spam the box with crosses. But interesting, consistently, they would get into positions where they would be able to do that. Whereas we get into attacking positions almost by mistake sometimes, a bit of luck. And suddenly we're forward. We've managed to win the ball back. We're forward rather than creating a pattern that means that you end up in a shooting position.

21:57But what did you make of Romero's statement after the game? Should I read it just in case? I mean, most people have seen it, but it says, apologies to all fans of you who follow us everywhere, who are always there and will continue to be. we are responsible there's no doubt about that i am the first but we will keep facing up to it and trying to turn the situation around for ourselves and for the club at times like this it should be other people coming out to speak but they don't as has happened for several years now they only show up when things are going well to tell the few lies we will stay here working sticking together and giving all of giving our all to turn things around especially at times like this keeping quiet working harder and moving forward all together is a part of football.

22:42All together, it'll be easy, I suppose. What the fuck did that middle bit mean? God knows, he took it out as well about all the lies. Yeah, telling lies. Yeah, but that's just not true. It means it's more true, right? He thinks it's... I've always had a hype in the love of Amaro and I still love him as a player, but I'm starting to think that he's probably got to take the captaincy off him because I think that... I think the social media post sums it up. But as I said earlier on, he served a suspension for the Liverpool sending off. I think he played against Brentford and he could have got a sent off then, you know.

23:21And this is our captain missing. I mean, I remember when Bissouma in Andrew's first season and he was like missing games through suspension. And he wasn't even our captain, but you've got to have a responsibility to be available, especially someone like Romero, who's got the experience of winning the Argentina and has been our captain for a while. he's got to kind of think well obviously you've got to be defiant and show that you're still fighting but i don't know i don't know if i don't know if he passed his phone around a coach i said you know what should i send this yeah go on go on i'd be like chris mate let's just let's sit down and go through this you can't you can't say that because you just can't and the fact that players are supportive makes me think that they probably ghost wrote it but nobody wrote it for them i i i i prefer the romero used to play porn out loud on on the coach remember there's that rumor that conte because he was playing porn out loud

24:17um i what can we speculate though what what it mean do you think he meant by the people that turn up when it's playing well and tell lies what what did you where did your mind go rick

24:30um to be honest I wasn't particularly sure my my immediate reaction was he's talking to the owners and then my assumption was the telling lies part was that they have said that they're going to invest they've got lots of money they're going to do this they're going to do that do you remember under Ange where we had so many injuries and it got to January and we were desperate for a goalkeeper and that was the first thing we're going to do. And I think we signed Kinski late or did we sign him early and then the others came late or something like that. We signed Kinski early. And it just reminded me of that really, of the kind of what the club had promised Ange and probably didn't deliver and what they've maybe promised to Frank and to say to Romero, if you sign this contract, this is what our plans are.

25:22This is who we're going to sign. this is the way we want to play this is what we're going to do he signed the ting and now look at us and he's like fuck this man like how can i get out of it like with us yeah where you can go what is it four years was it fucking idiot um i get that that makes sense to some degree rick but like it's quite easy to pick holes in it isn't it because who's been there for years to be telling lies who's still there? Naturally, you would immediately, if Daniel Levy was there, he's like talking about Levy. He's obviously talking about Levy. He's not there. So he's not talking about Levy.

26:04Who is he talking about? Is it Venkatesha? Well, he's only been there six months. That's not him. Is it the Lewis family? But they've never been around. They probably never even met the players, like the family, But before, you know, maybe they met Romero when convincing him to sign and they told him stuff there. But it was the for years bit, which doesn't make any sense. Is it players? It's not players. Like the bit about, you know, only when it's going good that you'll see them and hear from them and stuff. I can't remember where I saw it. Maybe I saw it on Twitter or something like that. And someone said, oh, I think he's talking about James Madison because he didn't play in the final.

26:44and then when we won it, you saw him with the trophy. I was like, fucking hell. I was like, that's a bit tasty, that one. That's a reach. Yeah. Fucking hell. I love fan fiction. It's the best genre going. He's attacking James, James Madison. Got like one leg.

27:05I, I think the, probably the reality is he hasn't articulated himself correctly. Second language. He's probably written himself and he's made a bit of a mess of it. I think that's probably the... Yeah. Generally the most boring way of thinking about it is generally the truth. But he meant something. It's just there's no way of knowing because... I don't know. Someone's told him to take... The press officer probably told him to take it out. His players keep scrapping at the fans though. So I don't know what he's got. Yeah, but you should figure that. Get in the game with the college-branded Venmo debit card.

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28:52I mean, from what Polina said, it's like they're just having a conversation. Obviously, it looked a bit... I've not seen the video footage of it. I've only seen stills. I don't know if it was... I've never found out 100%. Yeah. And I'll rate him for that. You might be disappointed, but imagine what he was being called or he heard. Yeah. You're like, all right, you're going to call me a cunt, are you? All right, it's on. Do it on Eric Dier. Come on then. Like, yeah. You know you're talking about building a statue of Ho Min Son. Build a statue of Eric Dier climbing the seats. Yes. Yes. Yeah. What you've got to understand is that we're all Spurs fans, right?

29:30And the players are all players and stuff. But if you're a cock, you should face consequences. this i'm assuming that something was said to van der ven that he didn't like and then it's not about football anymore it's about we're two men come and then let's have it like imagine being that fan because you're angry you just you don't know what you're saying you're angry i've said things about players i probably would get me punched if i said if they were there so i'm angry i've just paid all this money i've got down to god forsake an horrible little place called bournemouth shit old little stadium getting mugged off by the fans the menu fairy tale story i'm furious it's midweek i'm fucking freezing storm gilberta or whatever's coming tomorrow i don't want to be here so i'm saying things i don't really mean yeah it don't matter i always remember i always remember uh i can't remember who topner were playing but uh bellamy was playing i think it was against man city and um he was really close to where my dad and i were and as he's walking off to take the coin or whatever.

30:33My dad called Bellamy a hunchback cunt. He heard it, turned around and gave my dad the fucking thousand yard stare. And I just looked at my dad and was like, you've gone too far now. That was harsh. That was harsh. There is this hunchback cunt. Yeah, you hunchback cunt. But if he would have walked over and clumped my 73-year-old dad, I would have said, you deserve that, dad. He 100 % deserved it. That was personal. But everyone's out of line. What was the story with me, Rick? story of being Maniac Football Punch's fan no fan deserves being punched by a hero footballer that's what I missed about the old stadium because you were a lot closer back then I remember Rhys James was taking a few corners and Chelsea played us the other day and they're just slagging off his sister the entire time it's like bloody that's a bit much man I was just thinking in the olden days of the fighting cock we would have gone in then what were they saying we'd had our own without our own insults but can't do that anymore the world's changed for the better the better glad we can't do it T I just want to go back to you were saying about Romero and his captaincy for obviously posting that thing on Instagram and you were like saying about him not maybe the captaincy should be taken off him I meant to pull you off on that that's a bit harsh I thought well I mean it's maybe like okay let's just say it's not harsh but who Who would we give it to?

32:01Because like Van Der Ven yesterday, before kickoff, he was doing the team talk and I was like, fucking go on, son. Fucking tell him what for. Although Romero, you should be doing this. Let him have a go, right? Okay, fine. Fair enough. But then final whistle, as a captain, Van Der Ven, walking over to our away fans and saying, pointing at the floor, you fucking come here. We'll have a tear up right now. I was like, that's not captain material either. It is. It is. put your fans up bring your fucking dinner as well you cunt come on imagine being the fan that he's talking to how your balls would just go up into your chest what am I going to do I'm not going to get on the field and fight Van Leven you're 6 foot 4 and an athlete come on you'd get bashed up badly so just to answer the Romero captaincy thing I think Van Leven's probably about the only other person who can have it and then Vicario is, well, after his comments last, because Arkmar, and he slugged off, hands off, maybe not him.

33:03Then obviously the... He's like the last person you want to see. Yeah. He's a knob. He is. I genuinely think he is. He is. If you met him, you'd be like, I'm not that bloke.

33:17Gilmero ain't coming to the pub, is he? Fuck me. It's all right if you get to know him. We're not sport for choices for Captain Drew. It'd only be Romero or Van Der Ven really but I just I mean I think some of the yellows that Romero gets is because of his reputation more so than what he actually does a lot of the yellow I mean even I think the Liverpool game I think the first yellow was harsh from memory so he probably shouldn't have got sent off but I feel that sometimes he doesn't really help himself from that perspective and every time I come on the pod I think this is the lows we're going to get we're not going to get any lower then he sends that fucking social media post that Van Der Ven offers the fans What's going to happen when I'm next on the pod?

33:57What are they going to do for an encore? I don't know. I hope we go. In a way, I can't wait. That's what I'm going to get. Saying about Romero and his reputation. Do you see in the second half when he was striding forward, he had the ball and then the free kick gets given against him because he knocked into the Bournemouth player. I was like, fucking hell, mate. Just because he's hard. Don't fucking have a go at him. Wasn't a free kick. Was it a penalty? Van de Ven's done another one of his trademark runs. Was it a penalty? It would have been soft. I'd have taken it, but it would have been very soft.