S15E52 - “Daddy, What Does ‘S***’ Mean?”

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1:16Sean Kray:Plus there's no monthly fee or minimum balance. Sign up now at Venmo.com slash college card. The Venmo MasterCard is issued by the Bancorp Bank N.A. Select schools available. Venmo stash terms and exclusions apply at Venmo.me slash stash terms. Max$100 cash back per month. it's the fighting it's the fighting it's the fighting it's the fighting and i'm welcome back to the fighting podcast today i'm joined once again by geezer battle rapper sean craye how you doing mate yeah not bad mate yeah good and alex you You haven't been on the show for a while. I've got a theory about you, Alex. Do you want to hear my theory?

2:02I know what it will be, but go on. Well, it doesn't make any sense because you're now sort of in a happy relationship. But for a long time, he wasn't. He was searching for his soulmate, right? And suddenly, you'd have an interest in being on the podcast. I'll come on this week. I'll come on this week. And I'll be like, where does this come from? Because you haven't spoken to us for about a month. Bollocks, honestly. And then you realise, ah, he's got a date. or there's a woman he likes to go on this popular podcast you want to listen to it that's what i think that's slanderous and only partly true but uh that that might have happened in the in the dating time more so it's just the fact of not uh job wise it's just difficult but now working from home told you i got i got options now no you you were talking before we started recording i just found this really funny is that you you so you've moved into a house with the missus um and there are odd jobs that need doing but you're not allowed to do them well it's it's the situation uh my partner's dad is is absolutely lovely like kind of you know seven you know older type of dad you know the kind of shoes and proper trousers no matter the time of day or occasion like being lovely lovely lovely yeah um but you know he's been looking after his his little girl for a long time you know doing stuff around the house all the rest of it so uh we i wanted to put a tv up on a wall so i'll do that next weekend and she went uh uh okay yeah yeah should we could dad do that and i was like well no there's no need no need for dad to do it you know it's four drill like there's four holes in the wall and you know the tv's like 11 in it like it weighs nothing like i i could probably use some no more nails but let's let's do it properly uh and she was like can we let dad do that so it's because because he needs to he wants to like kind of feel useful and all the rest of it which i completely i appreciate i hope i hope my daughter is the same for me but now i've got to stand there like holding his cup of tea whilst he puts up this telly on the wall looking at me like you can't do this but because we're not allowed to tell him can't tell him so i've got to sit there holding this little this little mug saying like best dad on it like you can't take care of my daughter yeah and he'll be like this is called a wall plug like this goes this bit goes in here make sure you don't drill the hole too big i was going to go in all right so i had to see so if there's a whole lot of adjustment getting getting adjusting back to living with someone again is is it's tricky you know for obvious reasons but uh yeah so at least you're not drinking alone at 10 a.m on a sunday morning anymore not drinking not drinking these days oh yeah i'm good boy uh it's more than to like masturbate in the shower and stuff it's like like some type of gibbon but it's uh you know that's that's i'm waiting ricky's discussing that between ourselves about how he manages to do it in the family household

5:00Sean Kray:sean how you doing mate how's it going yeah good good yeah i took i took my little one to the game yesterday so oh good did you have a good time it made it better to be honest like because there was one stage when they went 2-1 up and he just goes because he's only nine he says I don't even care about the score to be honest I'm just having a good day oh that's what we're all at that's what we're all trying to do at the moment isn't it not let the football get in the way what a lovely thing for him to say to you though but then when Romero scored we went ballistic oh yeah yeah it was good there was one moment yesterday the loudest song of the day was Thomas Frank your football is shit and um it was the whole end in full unison and and my boy just turns around to me and goes daddy what does shit mean you're a better parent than me if you've got to nine they don't know what shit means yeah yeah one of those assholes yeah well no i mean so it should be um you weirdly you two live literally on each side of the doorstep do you know that do we i found that out recently i live in shrewsbury now yeah oh yeah literally 10 minutes 15 minutes down the road there you go so if this goes well three beers later maybe he's not drinking um yeah yeah that was so on telly you didn't i didn't hear that i didn't hear the it was as for uh it was as vociferous as that is that right anyway um he but they mentioned it on the radio the backwards and sideways every there we go and that sort of stuff and like it someone asked me he's got like he's a he's a villa fan and he texted me earlier and he went he's how is he still there and i'm like i not only do i not i i don't know why he's not he hasn't been fired yet but i'm almost certain like if you had to give if i had to put a wager on something whether him being sacked in the next month or last until the end of the season i would i think he's going to last the end of the season.

7:03I think they have decided, regardless of what happens, that he's our manager to the end of the season. Anything in that, Alex? I mean, yeah, you'd imagine that that would be the default situation because if you don't have to make a change and if they feel there's extenuating circumstances, which they may feel like the injuries and all the rest of it is, and there's no danger of you're going to be stuck in that middle bit, then yeah, they might be able to hold it. But as ever with these things it all comes down to noise it won't necessarily even come down to necessarily the results but you can't have home game up you know six seven weeks of that type of stuff in the press and you know sideways sideways and backwards everywhere we go you know like all of this type of stuff it doesn't the noise will at some point if it keeps going the way it is become too much what my worry is is that like the first 25 minutes of that Dortmund game I was like is this as Pochettino just kind of snuck into the dugout and and doing stuff behind the scenes because it was great yeah and we were talking eight times in the first half yeah my what my worry is is that there be enough kind of there's like a little bit just to not not to make them pull the trigger like it's like you when you're winding me up about something like you you will push and push to get a reaction from me and then i'll react and then you'll go so anyway man how you know how's everything what are you doing this weekend?

8:28And then I'm like, oh, okay. And then I'm back to normal. It's really frustrating when you don't vote. And I'm disarmed. I'll put this for an hour, put an hour into this and you've not exploded yet. Yeah, exactly. And that's just, so that's what I worry about. You know, look, I was, I don't think I've been on since the kind of first part of the season, but I was looking forward to Thomas Frank. Ben had convinced me, I'll never forgive him, but I was relatively convinced about Thomas Frank, but some grownups were in the room. First couple of games, it looked like we had a midfield again. And, you know, But when the facts change, so does your mind have to.

8:59Yeah. And it is appalling. It wasn't yesterday, though. I want to defend it to some degree. It's too little too late to some instances. You don't win. We haven't beat Burnley. You are shit. They have conceded 43 goals. But were there any cause for you, Sean, in terms of there was some good play in that first half and we were hitting the target?

9:25Sean Kray:I thought we were going to win. Yeah, it was, I mean, half an hour in, I was sort of like, yeah, we're going to score at some stage. And then we went one nil up. It took me by, it was almost like their goal came from about a minute or so before Romero didn't trap the ball when it went out for a throw. And it was like, I felt like the ball, Vicario. So it was like, there's so little confidence in Vicario as well that there was that composed, both of those things combined were led to the goal for sure. but it was just, Vicario's left foot is pointless. Other than standing on it, it's the only good it does it.

10:02Sean Kray:Yeah, well, that was it. But it was almost like that was kind of out of the blue. I was quite confident. I wasn't happy with the football, but I was quite confident that we were going to deal with Burnley. And then when that happened, you felt everyone feel a bit nervous and then a minute or so later that ball got crossed. I've watched it back this morning. I thought in the ground it was way closer to Ficario than it was. I thought I was sort of screaming in the ground, oh, you know, he should have come and dealt with it. The angle of the ball was, yeah, it was more. It was a page. It was more of the fenders, probably.

10:36Sean Kray:Yeah, that's it. But, yeah. But, yeah, it was the sideways and backwards chance and all that, that was going on a lot yesterday. I used to think that it didn't really make a difference until we started making the massive noises about Levy, which I thought was banging your head against a brick wall. Next thing he's gone. And you kind of think, oh, actually, maybe making all this noise does get the job done. And Frank might be gone soon, but I don't think they're planning on attacking him. I think they've employed him and they believe in what he's doing. I don't think that he started setting us up this season and it shocked everyone at the club of like, oh, hang on, why has he gone so ultra negative?

11:24Sean Kray:He must have sold it to them when he was brought in. And they believed in it. But this is, I made this point yesterday, right? And I genuinely believe it. You can't measure it, but I genuinely believe it. But the way that football has moved, and I'll use the term nerds, but you know, use whatever term you like, but it's far more, you know, technical thinking, whatever. Nerds will do. Yeah, when you replace football people, for good or for bad, of where that comes from, with nerds in the boardroom and in the dugout, all they've got to do is show each other a presentation. Fucking love it. It lags us in tears.

12:02Yeah, but what I'm saying is that they are looking for confirmation that that has. And I know Carragher said this on the overlap and has said it a few times and people will think it's a bit Luddite, but it probably is true. You look at the top six managers of the top six, the traditional big top six in the last few years, and you'll go Guardiola, Wenger, Ferguson, all at Klopp, these types of characters. Conte. Look who those top six are. Liam Rossini, Thomas Frank, Mikel Arteta, Pep's still there, obviously. Michael Carrick and Arna Slott, who's probably going to be gone as well. like there is a marked difference now one in terms of the characters of these people fine but also in terms of the the aura the the effect that these managers can have on players and this and i know john said about it as well like having javi and busquets come into that dressing everyone would be like well we haven't done nothing experience blah blah blah but that still counts for something having that walking people walking into that room and having that feeling is a big thing and i just looking at someone like Thomas Frank and having any type of not respect that's not the right word but not not being motivated by that now you know everyone knows my feelings on Ange Postacoglu but the one thing I would have always give him is all right yeah he would have had that thing and you know his main strength is that he is able to somehow put this pixie dust onto people where it doesn't matter about results and that happens with players as well but we need this club needs someone like that because we're not strong enough to drive that ourselves through a mentality and through a culture so it needs a manager that can do it and he just can't do it he hasn't been able to scale up those sort of managers of um they kind of disappeared in that world where we've got into a world where kind of like abrasive strong people are kind of like dismissed as luddites or things of the past and you can't you know you get accused of bullying or there's it's too much or you've got I think about the mental health of the players.

13:59Emery's still kind of one, I think. I think he's probably the closest there is, maybe. Yeah, maybe. I mean, Guardiola, but yeah, it's sort of like, they've all sort of withered away to some degree, haven't they? I just have to make an apology because someone messaged me after the result. Basically, just on the subject of bullying, I said that Mark, they said I was accused of bullying, Mark, on the last episode of the podcast because we said that we agreed as a group that he had the least to live for so if we he has to something drastic has to be done then he has to do it and he said i've got two kids and so we still agreed that he had the least to live for you agreed as well didn't alexie uh i don't think i was involved in that particular conversation but um at least he's just if someone's got to do something drastic and sacrifice their their freedom and go to prison for a long time we agreed that mark despite having two children has the least to live for yeah i think i decided it's because of where he lives so yeah it's fine so i do want to apologize to mark for for that and uh i you know it was a joke and then you know a couple people emailed me saying you're bullying him you know apologize won't happen again mark oh seven at gmail.com was it yeah no and then we did say on he goes i can't do the podcast this morning because i'm going to take the boy to football and i'm said he wouldn't even realize you're there it's terrible sorry mark sorry sorry um but you you know i needed him for the pod but anyway uh yes so is there is there do you agree with me then that he's going to get the end of

15:39Sean Kray:the season sean i think that their intention is to give him to the end of the season i think that things could happen you know if if we do as a lot piece lots of people predicting lose all of our games in february it's gonna get hot and we'll be in trouble yeah it will be and and it might get to that stage where they're gonna be like look when we employed him we said we said you know we're gonna give him time no matter what but they would always be the small like the small print that would be like, unless we're going to go down, that will activate that small print. And they'll be like, look, we need to...

16:19Sean Kray:You're relying on that little bounce. And lots of people are talking about Pochettino in the summer. And I'd be happy with that as well. But we've got work to do between now and the summer. Because as I say, we lose those four games in February. What, we're 10 points? Eight. We're eight points clear of West Ham. So, yeah, I mean, we've got 15 games left. We probably need... I can't believe we're having this conversation. Again! Having this conversation again. Sorry, Sean. We probably need... Yeah, yesterday when we went 1-0 up, everyone ironically sang, We Are Staying Up. Yeah, I heard that. That was quality.

16:59Sean Kray:I'm on there and I'm thinking like, I don't know if we should be ironically singing that. It's gone to the stage now where it's very, very rich to be singing it with the tone that we did. Who do you think we are? We are banging trouble. I don't think we'll go. I think we'll, you know, but we are banging trouble. We need, we've got 15 games left. We probably need, what, 11 points or something like that. I don't know what our rate is of what we've, up until this point. One point. It would be just over one point a game. One point one. One point one. So if we do that for the last 15 games. It'd be safe.

17:37Sean Kray:We would be safe, but it'd be bloody close. Well, I don't. Like I said, I love a bit of hyperbole, especially an hour after a game. But the relegation thing, I think, is way a bit blown. How many times have we looked at a game? And it goes both ways. You must have thought about it, at least. It's crossed your mind at 4am in the morning. What if? No. Because we know what football's like. You look at those games and it goes five. You look at those next five games, four or five games, you think fuck you know there's not a point coming from from anywhere and there always does like it football doesn't work like that because it works the other way around as well when we've been sat like third or second we go oh we'll win all these next four games and we and you just don't like that doesn't happen and i just think um you know it's too there's too much chaos theory in football for you to look at that and go yeah we lose those five games in in in every right we probably should but that just won't happen.

18:33And 11 point, we'll get another 11, 12, 15 points before the end of the season. That just will happen. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I don't see it.

18:43Sean Kray:I think we will as well. I've not had any thought of, oh, we will go, but I do feel that it's going to require tracking a manager to get a bit of a shot in the arm because what happens is that when you just keep losing and if we do go into these hard games and it does just roll off lose lose lose lose you see you've seen it with so many teams before where they do just lose and lose and lose and it's very very hard to to stop that rot and yeah i do think that there'll be a little shot in the arm whatever it is that they choose to do and i think when it gets to that last game of the season we will be probably nine points clear of it if I was to guess like I think something will have happened along the along the road and we will be comfortable enough 17th and in a Champions League final well but yeah and it's um but yeah it's very hairy at the moment and something needs to something does need to happen uh it's the thing is like Frank was like saying you got to remember we finished 17th last season.

19:54Like, we're doing a lot of work. We could finish 17th this season. There's no, that, we should not be mistaken in that in any way. I don't, yeah, agreed with you, Alex. Despite, you know, you think, well, stranger things have happened in football, but the likelihood of us going down is slim. Is there not 0.1 % of you that thinks, hmm, I wonder what it'd be like just kind of smashing shit up in a championship every week. Because we wouldn't. We wouldn't smash it out in a championship. We'd go down and there'd be a struggle and we'll probably end up seventh. That's what would likely happen. Yeah.

20:31Interesting though, wasn't it?

20:32Sean Kray:I did weirdly think exactly that thought yesterday. Like, it was the thought that came into my head of like, you know, if you could stop Arsenal winning the title, but you have to go down. And I was there thinking, you can't take that. You'd have to win the title. But then I was thinking, I don't know. Yeah, we can't win the league and us go down in the same season. And also, it's Flav's livelihood. So, I appreciate it. It's a different ballgame. In that respect, I think it would be all right. I don't think less people would listen to the podcast. I think you get less sort of, you know, there might be less people interested in finding it.

21:08But I think I'd probably be all right not having to get a real job, maybe. But that's not the point here. It's the misery of the millions of Spurs fans around the world. Yeah, of course. I know. It was just kind of a morbid curiosity. It's like a morbid curiosity, like when you're driving on the motorway and you think, I could just do this really quickly and that's it. It's all over. It crosses my mind. I would never do it. We've all had that, though, haven't we? Yeah. What if I just do this? What happens? Just obliterated. There were some good performances, though, yesterday, despite everything.

21:42I thought Basuma was decent in midfield. I think the fact that in these two games he's played for us, second half against West Ham and yesterday, they generally just argue he's probably our best player maybe Odebeer um van der Ven and Romero scoring goals I'm a little bit concerned and and concerned I'm like if you don't want it then fuck off but van der Ven's body language is pretty horrible at the moment not he's not interested I think he's really frustrated and I would say the same with Romero as well they know that they're our best players by country mile they've scored again 13 goals between them two very good finishes

22:19Sean Kray:as well they weren't like just oh he's nodded it in that was a great header and van der van like just to control that into the corner when the keeper's pulling out save after save it was two brilliant finishes i i i i i wouldn't be surprised if in the back of their minds they're thinking how do i get out of here oh of course i mean they're champions league players playing for a club that's nowhere near that level at the minute and the champions league is you know the longer that goes on is Cesar so this is what I mean again you bring someone if you bring in as someone like let's say Frank goes and you bring in someone like uh an Areola or a Glasner or what like that doesn't move the needle for players like this who does then well this is the and this is the thing and like I said I mean you know a Xavi or you know an Alonso which would never happen but that is the the difficult predicament that this club is in now because of where we want to be or where where we are positioned to be it's it's not enough anymore because we haven't produced to not have one of those managers and we have to rely on yeah you know van de ven was a signing that you know none of us had really heard of or whatever so they come along again it's not you know nothing's bigger than the club we will make these players again but you know you want to be able to get a huge amount from them before they go on to these massive steps and and because of the choices that we've made that's just not happening and um you know so yeah of course they will be they'll be having those things but but in terms of yesterday you know winning football matches changes changes a lot of stuff so you know if you if we end up getting to a quarterfinal or a semi-final or a champions league or you know suddenly something does turn or a new manager bounce comes in like you know you never know with these things Romero signed a new contract in the depths of of what we thought was was him definitely gone so um but I thought yeah they were they were both great yesterday i mean there is a kind of weird cult i kind of find online that just seems to think that everything that ever happens wrong with this club is somehow down to christian romero we all have that dream trip we've been wishing we could go on but too often life or usually price gets in the way that's why priceline is here to help you turn your dream trip into reality with up to 60 off hotels and up to 50 off flights you can book everything you need for your next adventure.

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25:55I get more frustrated with what he doesn't do. I've never seen a player with his much talent hide as much as he does. but when he doesn't and he's actually on the ball and actually commits to stuff with some gusto he's a good player really frustrated with Xavi yesterday really really frustrated with him yeah he had a poor game a playmaker that can't pass a 10 yard pass it's like when you're trying to train like a kid he obviously can you're like do it properly pass with the side of your foot don't just tap it but that is what's frustrating it's not just him it's across the board there's this kind of the intensity of the passing seems off our inability to play the correct pass there was this one moment and it was actually it was van de ven who was going to pass out to to spence and it should have been in front of him and it was to suspense that's a pause and turn to receive the ball and it's like that sort of small margins those are errors and my dad again like i bless him he will not get off the frank train like the current the current uh approval rating for Thomas Frank is back down to 2.8%.

27:01It jumped up after the Dortmund game to 3.1%, back down to 2.8 now. And my dad, I was like, I knew what he was going to say, but I couldn't stop myself from saying it. He's got to go, right? I've said that, Dad. He's got to go. And he's going, it ain't him. It's the players. The players, and part of it is right. The players are letting him down, or they're just not good enough, and they're nowhere near the level we you think they're at i don't know what both things are awful with true right i think there's a bit of both in there because i i like i said the the wilson oda bear thing i think it can have his moments and does and does well and stuff but i just think the bar is so unbelievably low um that we celebrate this stuff and we do we have a tendency as a fan base to be a bit like that with our players anyway but um but you're right he had a good game yesterday i would say uh but like you say the expectation is low so yeah yeah i'm not saying he didn't have a good shot when he carried the ball and called it.

27:56Yeah, but then there was also four or five, again, runs where everything is just a little pass backwards and then he kind of slips. And he might be doing that under instruction. What was really frustrating is that he would move in, he would be in these number 10 positions with plenty of space around him. I was thinking, well, there's a ball into him. There, he'll tap it, it turned, a bit of creativity, or even if he passes it out wide, whatever, he's in that hole. But then as soon as he was in that hole, as soon as the ball was then ready to go to him, you'd see him just kind of a little backtrack out, back out to a wide position now that might be instruction but with players with that much talent there's a mercurialness about about them and that's what i'd expect to see and that's where i get and it's not just him you know javi i feel is is the same as well but um in terms of the player side of things that there must be what you said the other week probably in terms of how much how little through balls we play and and the fact that you know both goals came from crosses again yes like you know it has to be instruction like so yeah i've seen an improvement in our build-up playing in the last month i've got to say that right there have been spells in games where we've been dominant and creating opportunity and there's definitely been attacking shift in what we do yesterday was a good example of it we had no issue creating chances yesterday they just you know her keeper had a bit of a worldie despite us scoring two um so i don't think yesterday is a good barometer if you're using it to further the campaign against frank especially about his inability to create chances because we were attacking yesterday and we did um but it it's you cannot not talk about him and not consider what's happened before in the first part of this season so yeah all those things are true um and Burnley are muck as well um what what did you make of the three at the back Sean was you happy the way we set up do you want to see more of that

29:40Sean Kray:going forward um yeah I mean I I do think I do prefer it with the uh with the three at the back Yeah, I'd like to do. I mean, I quite like Danso, actually. I think he's quite wooden in terms of receiving the ball and turning. But I actually think his passing is quite assured. He just looks a bit awkward when he runs and plays, but he's probably a better footballer. He's not a ball-playing centre-half because of the sheer fact he will get caught on the ball. But I do think that he passes it out okay. so I'm quite happy quite happy with him playing and then the fullbacks sort of being forward I thought we were better with Udogi yeah he's he's a player that's like heavily missed when he doesn't play but oh god I don't know we do have a lot we have a lot missing like Odebeer like you could see yesterday the hiding especially the last sort of 10 minutes when we were trying to push a couple of times Tell's got the ball and Odabez just stood five yards behind him and it's like It must be in the structure mustn't it?

30:53Like it has to be so maybe we're being way too harsh too harsh on him because he did have a good game yesterday I don't want to make that clear he played well yesterday in the bits that he did because the things that he contributed were key moments and pivotal to the result for what it was that we got there's no getting away from that but I just feel like that and the Dortmund game even in the Dortmund game I'm like come on now just like go I want him to do everything he's doing but with 10, 15, 20 % more oomph to it Yeah

31:24Sean Kray:but you could just imagine that Frank's just like well you do not want to lose the ball because if you lose the ball and we've committed forward we're going to be in big troubles and then that worries him and then he's like well I'll only take him on if I feel safe enough to do it rather than throwing caution to the wind I do think it probably does come back to him manager to a degree. It all has to. But yeah, but I mean, Older Bear is, he's one of those players that kind of, you know, if we had a good team and he was coming on last half an hour of games, I reckon everyone would have a completely different attitude towards him.

32:00Sean Kray:Like, you know, is he the young lad? Just have it, give it a go. But when we're in this situation where he has to start and you're pinning your hopes on him, he's falling short of it. I think that's spot on. That isn't his fault. No, no, and, And yeah, like you say, with the amount of injuries, it's just we're having to rely on him. And perhaps at this stage of his development, whether you think he should be ahead of that at 21 or not is another conversation. But he is performing Zama, Curiel, at the moment, to Alex's point. I tell you, I think he does follow instruction well. And I think why Tell perhaps starts less games.

32:36And I don't know this, right? I'm just chucking this out there. But Tell is much more like, I'm going to make something happen. Because he picked up the ball in the 10 role to pass out to... Who crossed for the goal? Was it Spence crossed for Romero's header? Odabez Cross.

32:56So he's much more gung-ho. He has that oomph that you mentioned now. And I think that perhaps... And the fact that Spence started two games in Tel's position now tells you something. but I think Tell is much more like I'm going to make something happen and that's why he's looked impressive that's why when we said at times against West Ham a lot of players seem to be playing with fear and with a rigidity but Tell and Basuma and Romero didn't and every time Tell goes on Tell gets him all he goes I want to make something happen and in the right environment that's really useful but some managers don't like it like Guardiola notoriously doesn't like it so I don't know I think that's a fair I think that's a pretty logical way of kind of of kind of looking at it because we don't know for sure obviously but yeah it's certainly when you add up all the pieces together and what the most likely reason would be that that does that strikes me as what that would be yeah I think that's a fair there's a comment here from on Reddit it says I think on another day we could have had five goals multiple incredible saves from the Kraft hit the post once or did we hit the post?

34:10Yeah, sorry, it was right at the end. We at the bar, Xavi at the bar, didn't we? Yeah, Xavi at the bar, that was it. Everyone is blaming Frank, and there is obviously blame to go his way, but the players should take the blame too. So many bad passes again. The first goal conceded is because of a simple mistake from Vicario Romero, and then a guy wanders in between four defenders. Everyone is mad and wants shit to change, and the easiest thing to change is the manager, but it's not entirely his fault. I think that's based on forms yesterday. I think that's fair, but that's football for time immemorial.

34:44I felt I was very big on that train when it came to Pochettino. I thought he was being ridiculously under, just undermined and just let down. But that's just the way it is. We know, I can reel off a list of players right now, but I can't remember not disliking a Spurs team as much as I dislike this one for quite some time. There are players in there.