S15E53 - 4th Best Team In Europe

26:22The Fighting Cock:Oh, yeah. Like, so with Paulina, I've got it here. Most touches, 127. most tackles and most accurate passes. How many tackles has your mum taken in a 90-minute period? Oh, in a 90-minute period. I'd probably say the one. One tackle, eh? Yeah, yeah. Well, the same tackle. Same tackle. Two footer, 10 toes. Four 90 minutes? Yeah, yeah. Four 90, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, Rick. We're agreeing not to do this. No, it's fine. It's fine. It's good. So your mum's back on the table? She's not back on the table. But it's all right when there's an opportunity. Right. Right. Don't just, like, every time we're just talking, just come out of a random one.

27:07It's got to be well-timed. Tasteful, yeah, yeah, well-timed. Like a paladino tackle.

27:13The Fighting Cock:Yeah, exactly. Yeah, brilliant. That was good. That was good. Your mum is fair game as long as it's well-timed. Yes. You can't just walk up to Ricky and just say something about his mum. No, no, no. Out of context. That's not on, is it? No, it's not. Sorry, I'm understanding the rules now, Rick. I didn't. Sorry. It's a complicated game, but a basic game. I want to play it though. What was you saying? Oh yeah, I was just coming back with most successful dribbles, Odebeer. But yeah. You've grown into it a little bit, Odebeer now? Yeah. Last couple of games you've seen something? Yes. I think it's, he plays better on the right.

27:52Must be said. and he mentions, it was a couple of, it was a while ago now that he went playing at home. He feels the pressure of the home fans that he can't kind of express himself because he's scared of losing the ball. We don't know if that's true. That was a rumor spread by someone on Twitter. Not categorically true. Are you kidding me? Really? Yeah, I can't remember. It might have been Paul O 'Keefe who said. Oh, fuck. I don't know. Actually, I don't want to say that. I don't know if it is. Right. I felt like I read it and it might have been his name, but, you know, he's everywhere.

28:28The Fighting Cock:Right, right, right. Okay. Okay. Hey, right. I didn't know that. I thought it was, I thought it was like an Instagram post. No, no, no, no. It's not. But, but, but, let's assume. Yeah, let's say it anyway, because it's good to speak about. But yeah, it looks like he is kind of growing into that position and it grown in confidence, dare I say it? He has got no problem taking on a fullback, which I love about him.

29:05He drove with the ball yesterday. He was brave. He linked up well with Xavi and Spence as well.

29:14The Fighting Cock:And I think just kind of that final third in attack, they're starting to like Xavi as well. I feel like they're all starting to kind of come into their own a bit. They're just showing a bit more. I felt like that they were quite heads down, lacking in confidence, a bit unsure of themselves, not really maybe understanding tactics. I don't know what it was, but it feels like, especially in the games against Dortmund and Frankfurt, and Burnley as well, and first half against Sunderland, whereby I've felt... Any West Ham game? I'd never want to speak about that game again. Still fucking furious. I was so struggling to watch the football while I was doing.

30:03I was in the... What was I? East Ham. The old East Ham. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is unrecognisable, really is, compared to the old shelf. But anyway, I was looking and I was like, I think I can see Ricky. That was what I was doing for most of the game. Is that him? Is that him? sorry Rick I interrupted you

30:22The Fighting Cock:yes I just I don't know I don't know what it is maybe a bit more freedom it's tough I don't know but I feel like they are starting to kind of show themselves a bit more I want to ask you a question about Xavi Simmons in two seconds right okay because you know while I'm reading this out I want you to think about where he might be in 18 months if you still respect us obviously right uh anyway we have um we've teamed up with match worn shirt uh which is a uh an organization that trades in match worn shirts and signed memorabilia and um and it's an honor uh to be able to push one of tottenham osuart's modern icons which is live now ending on the saturday the 31st of jan you can bid on a limited edition cinematic frame design featuring shirts signed by our legend, Son Hun Min.

31:23These in themselves are not match-worn, so they're match-worn shirts. They're are signed frame shirts. And you can bid on them now, and people are, tons of them. But the last opportunity that you can do this for is Saturday the 31st of January. The link is in the description below, so you can go over there and bid on them if you feel like you want to. And also keep an eye out next week because we'll be giving away a free signed Humin Son shirt for you guys to enjoy. So check out the Instagram for that. That'll be coming next week. But yeah, for now, go over to Match 1 shirt and you can bid on the Sonny shirts right now if you want to.

32:10Link is in the description. Hang on a second. did you say we we've got a signed match worn sonny shirt for next week no i think i think i wish it was an actual match worn shirt i don't think we've got that right okay right i think the i mean you know and the fighting cock is in that world where we could demand one of those right okay if in some world we have uh and i don't think we have i'm treating the if I made a mistake here then we'll do a we'll definitely we'll do a charity fundraiser rather than you know well I just I want this sun shirt so because I'm part of the podcast like surely rather than give it to charity yeah oh yeah I'll give it to someone that don't know if it was a match worn sun shirt from Bilbao and I said Rick you can have this and I genuinely would if I had that and I could give it to anyone and you wanted it, I would, without question, hand it over to you.

33:13Oh, really? Didn't I give you a signed cane shirt once? I've still got it. Where is it? It's upstairs. What era was that? That was, it felt like... It wasn't his... 16, 17, 18, 19? It was before his major breakthrough. No, no, it wasn't. Because it's not his... It was 37. Yeah. Yeah. That's right, yeah, yeah. So you know, I'd give it to you. I know how much these things mean to you. But if it was a match, but the alternative is like, we could raise£3 ,000 for charity. Would you say, I still want it, I don't want you to give that money to charity, if that was a choice? I wish you hadn't asked me this question on the podcast.

33:56Right, what would you say if I hadn't asked you? Imagine there's no podcast. Okay, if it's just WhatsApp, I'd just say, just give it to me, please. Just give it to me.

34:07Yeah. So head over to match-worn shirts. There's tons of them. You know what they've got really cool on at the moment, actually? They've got an Ugo Egeog collection. So I think they're raising money. Oh, shit. Yeah. So they have his collection of shirts that he'd swapped in his time as a player. I mean, I'm sure his family are doing something to raise money here. But there's an amazing one. Christian Vieri, Atletico Madrid. current bid on that is nearly a thousand pounds to be fair david platter barry fernando hiero uh spain so yeah some uh some quality shirts there um yeah so anyway if you go on the website click the link in our description you'll be able to find all of the sonny shirts that are up for auction they're all signed by sonny i actually think sonny's involved in the company in some way as well so um so keep an eye out we're doing some exciting things with them going forward um But Xavi Simmons, I know we're at a situation currently that he perhaps isn't delivering to the level we hoped he would do.

35:10We've seen promises of that. Certainly in Europe, we've seen a much different player. Somebody who's comfortable playing against teams that want to come out a little bit. Yeah. And I think you realise when you come to England how much of our football stinks. And I don't mean the quality of the football is bad. I'm thinking the way British teams choose to play each other in the English Premier League. Yeah. Whereas you go into Europe and everyone's having a go. That's why it felt so comfortable out there. Why it felt comfortable against Dortmund, is they're willing to have a go at us. Everyone wants to play football.

35:38It feels like that. They want to play football. Imagine that. Imagine that. Hey! Hey! Imagine wanting to play a bit of football and excite the crowd, Ricky. Imagine that game. Fuck me. God, I know. Literally, you look at the Premier League and it's like, well, we'll play a little bit, but hopefully we get a corner or a throw in. It fucking stinks, man. It really stinks. throw dogs kill me man. I think that there's I genuinely think that this is the hardest competition. Frank said it. He said the Premier League is the hardest competition in world football. I think he said something to that effect.

36:11Do you think he's saying that because we're like 16th or 15th? Correct. He is saying that. He wouldn't be saying that if we're 4th but I think he's also correct as well. Yeah, yeah. It is. It's so hard. It doesn't surprise you. It surprised me rather that the team that is the best at defending at set pieces is top of the league currently. And that isn't what we should aspire to be. I think that's why both people don't want them to win the league. And don't make my mistake, Frank is a microcosm of that. What he's doing at Spurs is, has all those ideas baked into his processes. And that's why he's not the right manager for Spurs and should be gone in the long run.

36:52Maybe even next week, I don't know. But he's not, the way he views football, which is correct for him and correct for Brentford and correct for that lot down the road isn't correct for Spurs. Yeah. And that's, therein lies the problem, isn't there? And then the thing is, you buy players like Xavi Simmons, who is an artist. I genuinely believe this kid is wonderful the way he approaches football, what he wants to do. But in the Premier League, it's just so difficult for him to operate. Yeah. It's a worry. We all have that dream trip we've been wishing we could go on. But too often, life, or usually price, gets in the way.

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38:48that you kind of have that player who can't operate in the best league in Europe because he's up against stronger, faster players. And it would take him a year, 18 months to really fill into his role in the league. But I think when he does, it genuinely reminds me the way he plays of a young Luka Modric. And I'm not, obviously, he'll never amount to anything near what Modric has achieved. but the way he plays, the way he moves, the way he shows the ball, it reminds me of Modric when he arrived and played under Redknapp at the start when they're trying to work out how to use him. I mean, that's fair without being too over the top.

39:31Is that right?

39:32The Fighting Cock:Yeah. I mean, the Modric comparison, the way he moves and stuff, I can see it, but you're right. I don't think he's going to hit those heights. I mean, people very rarely hit those fucking heights, do they? Let's be honest. A decorated player in Real Madrid's history. No, I don't think they do.

39:59The Fighting Cock:But I think you're right. One thing that I've been, I don't want to start on a negative, but this is the first thing that comes to mind. Go on, Rick. It's fine. I was surprised at the game. I was watching, who the fuck were we playing last week? or was it last week? No, actually, yeah, it was Burnley. Burnley, sorry. Yeah, it was Burnley. What I was expecting for his passing, and I was expecting from the purchase of him was to unpick the lock, was to play balls down the channel, the perfect way to find passes that other people wouldn't really... His weight of passing fucking stank. It seems like an epidemic goes up, but...

40:45The Fighting Cock:It was, yeah, and I was just, I couldn't, I couldn't understand it. Overhit, underhit, not accurate. And I didn't know whether, like to kind of give him the benefit of the doubt of the, you know, the games he's been playing and he was injured for a while and then come back or he wasn't at least in the team. So he's still, you know, picking, picking up that rhythm. But the Premier League is so ruthless. It's the intensity, the aggression, everything around there. When you're doing that for 60 minutes, you're fucking exhausted. So your body and your mind is naturally tired. So when you get the ball and you've got a split second to make that pass, maybe you do under here.

41:35Maybe you do over here. Your legs are heavy. They're tired, full of lead. A bit of pressure.

41:40The Fighting Cock:Yeah. So, you know, I don't want to be like too harsh on that, but it's just something I noticed against Burnley. But then other times where, what game was it now? I think it was a Champions League game. We're at home. Or was it against Villa? It's Leeds as well. He was really good. He was picking, he was seeking the ball. He was dropping deep and he was driving forward. And he was getting fucking kicked to fuck. people tearing up and he was still driving forward he was getting battered that's what i loved about him getting the fucking game by the scruff of the neck and just driving forward and maybe that isn't his game but it was that i'm not hiding like i know things are on top but i i'm here and i'll receive the ball and i'll always show for it and i'll always try my best going forward and trying to create something but it's made like like i said like the the front you know i'll even include telling this as well because when he has uh played i am starting to see like an uptick in all of them which is um which is positive for the tail end of the season yeah i mean we need it oh fuck yeah what did I want to say there was something else I wanted to say but it appears to have left me um bollocks do you say something um did you oh no fuck I haven't done anything you can't have me there either oh shit yeah I was gonna say something about um the it's gone yeah it's gone yeah it's gone it's gone I think I was gonna say something about Frankfurt and them nearly scoring, hitting the bar.

43:26I don't even remember that. Don't say that. Say something else. Right, okay. The second half, we're... Oh, no, I haven't got it. No, it's good. Do you know what's really good about this, Rick, is we know there are tens of thousands of people listening to this. Yeah. Right, and we're now in a position, I'm staring at you, you're staring at me, we've got nothing to say. Yeah, just two of us, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And as we're talking, it's even more possible to conjure up something else to say. Yeah. So what we're going to do is live in this moment, Rick. Yeah, okay. Until one of us figures out how we can move this podcast forward.

43:59Okay, we'll sit in these feelings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Looking to each other's eyes. Yeah. And Rick, I want you also subconsciously to be working on how we move this podcast forward from this point. Because we've both forgotten what we want to say. And there's just two of us. Yeah. So do that. I haven't forgotten what I was going to say. I didn't have anything to say. I've got to the end of my point. Yeah, yeah. But you're, you know, if you're playing tennis, you've got to be ready. You've got to be ready to receive the ball.

44:24The Fighting Cock:Yeah, yeah, cool. You've got to think on your feet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're still thinking on our feet, though, aren't we? We're not, we're filling dead air. Yeah. And you've got to figure out how to move this forward, Ricky. What do you think of the game, the weekend? The game, the weekend, the City game. Good. Yeah, yeah. Are you... I want to lose. You want to lose? I want to lose. Yeah, okay. Okay, okay. You want to lose? This is good. I, at the moment, I'm in two minds because there was the bit. I'm still a little bit I want to win obviously when I want to lose if we had beaten City that time Arsenal would have won the title they would have been champions that's it right yeah and all this narrative around our tests all this pressure wouldn't exist right now we did the right thing yeah we did but at this moment in time it's not live or die whether they win the title from this result enough games there's enough games for them to hang themselves right so I'm kind of like do you know what if we lost okay that's three points to city and they they they gain on the gooners also if we draw we both get a point each that's nice and they i mean you know if the gooners lose then they will obviously gain a point on them but at the same time i'm still like I've got a question you have to be worthy of being the league winners and if we beat Man City then we beat Man City and it's down to them generally in the meritocracy of the Premier League yes you have to be worthy of winners yeah if Arsenal are worthy I still don't want them to win oh no no no right so I'm saying I know what you're saying, Rick.

46:12I know what you're saying. I've got another question for you. Okay. Is the feeling of Tottenham winning and beating Manchester City and moving up to 13th, right? Yeah. Is that feeling... What gives you greater pleasure? That feeling or the feeling of Arsenal panicking and scrambling around? Is it Tottenham winning? That's what you think. That would make you feel better? if I'm honest I don't think I've had as much fun at football in months as when Arsenal lost against United the other day because the social media fallout from that was fucking glorious this is what I'm talking about glorious I know there are Spurs fans listening to this and going how dare you like what are you even talking about it's not a title it's not what it was like before under Poster Cogli yeah how dare you even consider it yeah It'd be so funny.

47:08I'll tell you what. Hang on a second. It wouldn't be funny that Spurs lost. It'd be funny that Arsenal started to panic and their weird little fans can't cope. They cannot cope. They booed their team. Yeah. Did they? No, they didn't boo, did they? No, they did, Rick. They booed their team at full time when they're clear of the league by four points and haven't lost a game at home all season. First game they lost. Also, they're top of the tree in Europe. Like, there's nothing to boo. There's nothing to be upset about. You just lost a game of football to two screamers. And you're booing scumbags.

47:41That is wonderful. My mates, they are Rancouners. They're scared, aren't they? You're worried. Mate, the one who's got a season to get. It's fun being top of the league. I don't think it is. No. When we've been top of the league, it's been funny because we kind of know that we're not going to stay there. It's funny to kind of piss everyone else off by, we are top of the league.

48:03The Fighting Cock:Just give us a title now. Yay! Give us something out. while you're up there enjoy it live it live in it they want it they take themselves very seriously they want it yeah and after that my mate was coming home and the whatsapp messages he was sending of them bottling it again and i was just like this is i'm not even i'm not even dropping breadcrumbs for them to go and fucking devour yeah what would you do like when you he's got Rui's oldest friends, Ricky's oldest friends are gooners, right? They've grown up in Milton Keynes together. When Arsenal have lost or something, you talked about the breadcrumbs.

48:41What are they? Yeah, normally I would be, you can't go obvious, right? You can't go, ah, gutted and all that. If they lost to Brentford, I wouldn't do a load of B emojis. It's too on the nose. And they would react badly to it, right? You don't want them to react badly?

49:01The Fighting Cock:No, you've got to lure them out. Oh, did Azuz really have that bad again today? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then they come out. They'll either defend or attack. And then you start luring them well away from the cave into the open field, and they've got nowhere left to run. And then you go for them. It's like cart fishing, isn't it? you're laying bait down you're laying bait down so you get him on the hook and then the fucker comes in that's right yeah there you go yeah that is beautiful I love that because you send the messages that you sent them look what I've just done yeah that is gold but if Arsenal get beat by Leeds on Saturday yeah which means if City beat Spurs they are one point behind them right if that happens right loss loss loss lose Yeah, yeah, yeah.

50:00Is it draw? Is it draw? No, do you know what? I'm backtracking here. Just let City win. Let them win. It don't matter in the grass.

50:11The Fighting Cock:Put in a good performance. Show some attackingness. Show your new patterns. Show your new passing patterns. Don't bend over. Give a new performance. Don't win. Yeah. I think that's where I'm at. For sure. um i forgot to send a message for questions so i've just done it right now and i've said literally got five minutes oh uh and we've got six questions so we'll do every one of these yeah okay um don artis says does the squad have the cojones to translate the champions league success to the premier league or is ricky going to have to go in there and use his fighting skills they rate your skills as a fighter i don't know johnny boy says i don't know what that means but I think it's difficult to do that, Rick, because we discussed this already about how to transfer the form from the Champions League to the Premier League because you're not allowed to play in the Premier League.

51:10It's very difficult. The standard quality of players is unreal. I think, don't expect that. If you have an issue with it, perhaps blame the way the league is and how much money is in it and and why mid-table teams can be buying players from ac milan you know that's that's the world we find ourselves in yeah one thing i did notice and i don't know if i mean i don't know if this is relevant to the question but i'm just gonna say it anyway but one thing i noticed in the second half uh frankfurt were playing it around at the back um and then it went back to their keeper and then i think it was simmons was chasing down and odore was chasing it down then it went to their center back and then javi closed him down and then the guy passed it out to their central midfielder and javi looked behind him and there was no one there that was

52:03The Fighting Cock:following the press and he was going mental shouting because of the camera angle you couldn't see who he was shouting back at and then he looked over to the board and like shrugged his shoulders as to say i'm fucking doing my job who the fuck's there like that kind of thing and then he pointed his finger back at whoever it was. I couldn't see who it was that was supposed to be supporting in that press. And that was the second half. So I liked that appetite and that enthusiasm and motivation that still in the second half in the tough game, you are leading by example and you are still trying to follow out the boss's orders and to press.

52:42The Fighting Cock:Alex from Bristol said it was at Udogi, but I don't know if it was at Udogi. I didn't quite see who he was pointing back at. But I just found it quite interesting because if those messages are being relayed and that's what you're supposed to be doing in the Prem and we're not following it out and certain players aren't following it out, certain players aren't buying into Frank's methods, then whose fault is that? The players. the players or that's what my dad would say Frank's not inspiring them or fucking loves Thomas Frank he loves him where is this come from I have no idea because he fucking hated Ange Poster Coglu and he likes to sack in football I don't know the one and only time me and my old man had an argument was after the Brighton game midway early part of last season no good enough he's not good enough he ain't good enough we're too open look at how the space I've had more conversations with him about the space that Pedro Porro left in the and system than I have about whether or not he loves me as a father.

53:56Well, when we were at the pub, he did tell me when we were having a pint and he said, yeah, that gal comes around and he always watches the football of mine. And then five minutes before the end, all are on final whistle. he stomps to the front door puts his trays on stomps out the house and then five minutes later I get a text message sorry dad I just got worked up and I was just like you're a politizer he's like that's alright son yeah I'm so desperate it hurts so much it does it does it's fucking painful it is it is painful like why I'm 44 surely I can intellectualize this surely I can go well I can't control this I won't allow it to affect me.

54:41It affects me. Yeah. There'll be times when we're watching the game, dad's talking and my step-mom, Valerie, will be asking about something completely unrelated to Tottenham and just something about, oh, how's the house going? And I'm like, Valerie, we are getting done on the counterattack right now. I can't talk about the house. I can't say that. And I have to turn and go, yeah, it's all right. I need some curtains done. We are being ripped open. We are being ripped open. And you're asking about questions, right? Sometimes it gets about 80 minutes and I'm like, I want to go home. I want to go home.

55:16I totally get that. Yesterday when Solanke's girl went in and I screamed, I don't know what comes out of my mouth. I just fucking say shit. And I heard my missus and my daughter in the kitchen go, I don't know whether that was Tottenham or it was Frankfurt.

55:34The Fighting Cock:And I heard them say that. I was like, what do you mean? And they said, we don't know who scored then. And I said, it's obviously Tottenham. And I said, well, what do you mean? And my missus said, okay, this is exactly what you said. Fucking get in there, you useless bastards. Then you said, fuck off, you bunch of wankers. And I was like, right, I can see how that's confusing. The first bit is get in there for Tottenham. Useless bunch of fuckers or whatever. That was Tottenham. Then I said, fuck off to Frankfurt. and then I was calling them wankers. She's like, right, I can't be right. Right, yeah.

56:12It is like a different language, isn't it? The amount of times I call them like a bunch of cunts or wankers in 90 minutes. If someone passes, oh, you fucking wanker. They're doing their best. Just before we end here, Rick, I've got a point towards, and it's not published yet, but a podcast I did with a lab with a guy called Dan Abrahams who is a, he is a sports psychologist and has worked with footballers like Gareth Bell actually talks about Dan Arun Abraham's book about how it helps his mentality he's worked for Brentford worked for West Ham he's worked in golf and it's fascinating what he does Feyenoord he worked with Arna Slott at Feyenoord when they won the league oh yeah mate it's really interesting and he talks about how you prepare these players mentally for success and being able to perform and so much of it is so much more simple than you think and you realize that these kids most of them like javi simmons is their their brains work like ours do right i i made a point that sometimes when i'm sitting to do a podcast i wish i'd get a message saying can't do the podcast mate sorry a minute before it starts and then i'm like oh i don't have to perform i don't have to do it i don't have to i can go back and doing something so um yeah it was interesting so i'm gonna that'll be out tomorrow on the labs feed so go over to the lab and subscribe and give it a like and stuff uh all right rick nice one mate you're a ledge and um we're back for the preview on the for the man city game lovely tomorrow yeah yeah after we do lads anonymous yeah boy what are we talking about this week do you know what i i've been worried that um you can see but But if you can see the reflection just here where my hat, I can't see.

58:02Well, you can see the reflection in the picture. Is your wife all right at home? No, not yet. But that reflection in the picture there. That's a framed picture of 9-11. Yeah. In your house. Why have you got that framed? It is 9-11. Why have you got it framed in your front room? No, it's bouncing. The light is bouncing off of the picture. That's what I'm saying. It looks like.

58:25The Fighting Cock:Yeah, I framed 9-11. No, on my screen is 9-11. which is what we're talking about tomorrow on Lads Anonymous. But that is an actual picture of Wolverton where I live. And it looks like it's framed because of the reflection. If you stand still, I can do a screen grab. There you go. I've got it. Lovely. And then I'll just send it to you so you can see what I can see. Oh, right. Okay. It just looks like you've got 9-11 on the wall in front of you. Good. Do you want the second plane hitting? Good. Second plane has hit. There's a second plane. Right. All right. Nice one, Ricky. Lovely. Up the spurs.

58:57Bye. Bye. Inste-frame it's the fighting cock it's the fighting

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