S15E63 - Willy at Work, Poch Dreams and the Fear of the Drop

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1:43It's the fighting. Cock! I remember being a wee little kid. And, you know, you look up to your dad at that stage and whatever he says is gold. It's like Superman, isn't he? I remember him teaching me a song when I was about eight. And it went, He's only a poor little gooner. His face is all tattered and torn. He makes me feel sick. So I'll hit him with a brick. Then he won't cry anymore. What a horrendous thing to teach an eight-year-old boy. It left such an imprint on me that at 44, I can still remember it word for word. I think I might have bundled up a couple of different songs there. uh sean craye how are you yeah not bad mate you all right yeah good and cow how you doing hello sir very good thank you before we started recording we were talking about uh when is it okay to see a willy at work uh assuming you're not a prostitute or a porn star um i think it's never okay really i saw one at work and it definitely wasn't okay it was it was you seen a willy at work sean i did yeah um so i'm a maintenance electrician and basically i worked in this house this woman was bedpan downstairs old girl and there was something going on with her shower and it seemed like basically she had a grandson living with her and he must have had the free reign of upstairs because she couldn't make it and upstairs all you could hear was the shower going and the tunes just blaring out of it so i'm walking up boom boom boom trying to be as loud as i can hello hello and i'm like is there a problem with the bathroom light hello and next thing the bathroom door flings open and this kid comes walking out completely naked no towel nothing just walked out and he just saw me He stood there on the stairs and he just goes, no.

3:46No. Put the hands down instead of over your face. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Weirdly, Carol's also seen a willy at work today. Today, yeah. It involved a shower, didn't it? It did involve a shower, yeah. Where I work, there's a shower in kind of the toilet area and there's lockers and shit like that. And there's a couple of times I might have seen them in their pants or fucking in the, like, I don't know, no shirt or whatever. And it's fine. And I've got fucking four brothers. So you just get used to the fucking male form. Right. And but then today I thought I'm touching cloth here. Like normally I'm touching cloth.

4:27I need to fucking to fucking let one go. And that's for all right. There'll be no one in there now. So I've gone in there, walked in. and there he is absolutely not a stitcher clove on him clothing on him at all fucking willy the lot I'm like this is not okay this is just it's not okay for me to see a willy at work why I think this is more about you says more about you two than it does about the person owning the willy yeah they're just he's they're just as nature intended them to be naked you're the it's your reaction that's the problem boys that is I mean Spurs this is what happens innit we're all loose we don't know what's going on what are the rules anymore what can we say to each other this is the Q &A podcast because obviously Spurs didn't play what a weekend what a weekend what I mean just no football no worry no I mean the angst is there but it was just did you feel that just relaxed all weekend Sean oh yeah I love it for a long time now my favourite part of the year is the summer when you've just got that bit I used to hate it as a kid you know that show like the Premier League years and all that kind of music.

5:37And I used to, you know, you'd watch it, but I hated it. I detested that closed season. But for a good while now, I just enjoy it. And I really switch off. I actually dislike when there's a major tournament in summer because it interrupts with my downtime because it is very needed. I just think, yeah, it is. You've got to recover and recuperate. It's certainly our situation this season. It's going to take a lot of work. We're all going to have to work on ourselves a bit. like and understand what are we doing here we're committing every fiber of our emotional being in the hands of a football club that doesn't even know we exist apart from our crn number players that don't give a fucking shit about us and we're just pleading hands on knees just do something for us tonight just play just for fuck once in this calendar year win a game i think we all need to look at ourselves i think like we're as much as a part of the problem as as the club because we're just, they know we're obsessed and addicted to this fucking club.

6:41Yeah. So it was nice to have the weekend off and I just felt pretty calm about it all. Obviously, tomorrow night we're playing Atleti in Madrid. If you want to become a patron, you can do. We're doing a preview of the game tomorrow. First thing. And yeah, become patreon.com forward slash fightcock. God love you. I need you. I need you so packed. Just before we get into the podcast, a mate of mine, his name is Jordan Connor, and he's actually a Villa fan, but I bumped into him on a night out when I was supposed to have my joint stag and hen do, I know. We're in the 21st century now. Cal, you can do that.

7:26You can have those things. You look at him. He's just shaking his head. Fucking livid, to be honest. Yeah, fair. But if we were basically going to a festival, we'd all sort of just, we'd all go, well, Cal, I'm not explaining myself to you. I can do what I want. You can't, you can't even fucking cheat on your stag dude. Fucking hell. That is true. It is the last, you know, the last chance to do that. Yeah, it's the last bastion of English freedom. I wonder how many men on their stag dude go out there and go, yeah, no, this is actually the last time I can cheat, so I'm going to do this. No, so we, it got, basically there was a massive storm and the Boardmasters Festival was on top of a, cliff and so everyone would have been blown off into the sea so they get to cancel it oh i was booked on that festival it was about 2020 wasn't it yeah around that time yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we had a yeah we was meant to be performing on that and then that got cancelled that's the only right time i ever bought a tent because i've never been in a tent in my life performing and what what what sean what was you doing it was battling oh battling yeah yeah yeah so so so um because i just assumed you might i didn't know the information that you'd be a part of a band as well and i thought that'd be interesting now he's battling right um so um and i met this lad in an aston villa shirt on the uh it might be 2019 because it's when potch got sacked it was that season and um i just got chatting to him he's just like a lovely geezer from cornwall but or certainly sandy like and anyway he had a villa shirt on and we got got chatting and through the years we stayed in touch anyway he's made of his he plays in um a football team in down in uh penzance he uh he's unfortunately been diagnosed with cancer and there's going to be a link in the description where you can donate if you feel that you have enough spare change to do so um yeah he's uh it's obviously very alarming and sad when a young man is diagnosed with something like lymphatic cancer but it does happen and when it does it's important that people sort of rally around and do what they can to make that person's life a bit easier so just giving link is in the description below um they're having a quiz night down on the 14th of march in i want to say penzance don't want to get this wrong perrenporth completely different place uh but it's also really lovely uh yeah so it's uh it's for the sunrise appeal the royal cornwall hospitals clinical oncology and cancer care appeal and they're looking to raise 750 quid and so far they've done 350 so if anyone can chuck a few pennies in it'll be an amazing amazing thing like i say link in description below right this is a q a podcast which means anything goes any any question as that gets asked us we will answer um someone and i wanted to start with this but now i've i've lost the geezer's question which uh shows you how shit i am at this job um but he wanted to say go quickly through the first sort of first team squad minus youth players who would stay in the advent that we do get relegated.

10:43So if you're thinking about what might happen, like it's just for the sake of a conversation, what players do you think, if we were relegated, would we start in the championship next season? So I'm going to say, you just go Chuck, yes or no. Vacario? He'd probably leave, wouldn't he, you think? Yeah, he'll be gone. Van der Ven? Gone. Probably be gone. Romero? Be gone. Gone. Porro? Gone. Gone. A doggy? He'll probably be injured. Yeah, that'll keep him here. What about Paulina? He's loaning it, so he'll go back. Yeah, he'll go back. Basuma? Contract's up in the summer. Mohamed Kudus? 200 grand a week.

11:38Fucking hell. Gone? Probably gone, yeah. He's on that one. He'd be gone. I mean, he left last hand, didn't he? Charleston? I don't know, you know. He might fancy it. I don't think you'll fancy it. Probably gone then, yeah. Solanke? Right, let's build a team with what would be left from the players that aren't playing in the first team if we have to. Maybe Kinski stays. Yeah. Yeah, he'd be the number one. Vuskiewicz has to. so he's come back he had another sterling performance this weekend for Hamburg he'll have to come back Danso will be his partner I'd imagine we'll have to get Jed Spence will play right back and let's say a doggy stays as a left back midfield Sarr and Gray people will be looking at Gray I think they both have options but But the problem is you can't, you're not going to actually sell more than 10 people, are you?

12:42Yeah. In reality, there'll be an amount that will go and then the others, even if they want to go, they'll be told they have to stay. It ain't going to be 15 out, 15 in or whatever or 10 in. So, yeah, so it will just be circumstantial, but there might be a big enough offer that comes in for Grey where they're like, yeah, that makes sense. I think we can do without him. It wouldn't be the full 50 mil. I'd rather convince him to stay and hopefully sell the football club and build something, not around him like he's the key player now, but you've just seen so much in the last month of him just not...

13:23His mentality and character just cannot be underestimated. If you think of the last two goals we scored, it was an assist across from Richarlison and that great play against Palace. It's the only bit of decent football we've played the entire game. But the ball got played into him. His back was the goal. He had a defender against him. And he turned him and played it in for Solanke. It's like the kid can do everything pretty much. And unfortunately, what we've seen of him and why people have taken, and myself have taken so long to sort of really get on board, is that he's just been played everywhere because of his character, because of his mentality, his adaptability, his utility, his abilities as a utility footballer.

14:03but actually you've got to get him in midfield and you've got to keep him I don't see him like ever being a star I don't see him being like a Gerrard but I see him at the end of his career that he's done like a Milner something like that you know one of those really respectable careers that you look at and go he's a solid guy he's played all across the pitch got loads and loads of games under him I think he'll end up he's from good stock and like it's not just family wise just when you see him he's just strong in all kind of areas really so he's definitely not someone that you want to be selling I'm very happy that we've got him I just think when it comes down to it they're going to have to shift a certain amount and we know they're not brilliant at getting players out and in I just think it'd be a cut and dry one with Grae I think people come in serious I really hope that isn't the case but you might be right I mean your arms you you're pushed to make difficult situations, but he's on low wages, respectively, to the rest of the squad.

15:06I just think it would be easier to find deals for players on massive wages. I know there's apparently a 50 % wage drop that exists in these contracts, which Daniel Levy insisted on being put in. Do you feel any way about that? Because I was thinking, the fact that there was even a relegation clause in there shows that there is, just in the subconscious, an idea that we could go down. or is it simply pragmatism because we saw what happened with Leeds and Rizdale where he didn't put relegation clauses in and that it literally put Leeds back 10 years because of those. Daniel Levy's been running, well, he ran a football club for 20 years.

15:45He's seen it all. He saw Leeds come and go. He saw City in their rise and Chelsea in their rise and he's seen clubs go down, clubs rise. That's just him as a businessman to put things in place like that where we're going to have, you know, kind of a cutting wages when we're, you know, under the worst circumstances. I think there's, with a lot of these players, there's, you know, a conversation to be had with, like Sean said, we're not going to sell 20 players. We're not. We're just not like it's too much of a turnaround of a squad. And, you know, rumours today are that Potch is going to come in regardless.

16:23If we get a coach of his level, if it's not him, but a very good coach like that and get a good director of football. I think there's a conversation to be had with these players, you know, 10, 15 of these players, is you're staying for a year. You're getting this back up. You're getting 100 points and we're going back up again. You've got us into this mess. You're getting us back out of it again, basically. Centurions!

16:48We need... If Potch comes back, even if we go down, and that goes a long way to making you feel better about football. I put it in the group earlier and T was like, I just need a clean break. If they bring Potts back, I'm suddenly like, now I'm believing again. I'm believing that something special could happen. And if that is true, and it came from Paul O 'Keefe, I think on Twitter, who seems to get a lot of information. and he he said that it definitely was this because i was told this secondhand so forgive me if i'm wrong here but i think it was paul okay if you said that um that if we do get relegated pochettino still wants to take over spurs if that is true i don't think that that means he feels about the football club like as much as a manager can as close to how we feel about the football club because we're going down with them it's not even our fault but we're going down with them Pochettino doesn't have to do that he can he could get a job anywhere if he has a d if if if USA gets the knockouts of the world cup and they probably will because home nation always tends to do quite well then his stock is for the roof he can go wherever he wants but if that if if Pochettino comes back even if it isn't a championship you're starting to kind of think about the future and believe it I don't I just think if he comes in when we're down in that low or let's say if we're down in that lowly sort of position it gives him strong a strong strong way of negotiating his way in if he looks like he's giving us a big favor rather than the other way around he can kind of maybe maybe wangle a bit more um a bit more say if he wants to come in and go look there is a it's very rare that there's going to be an opportunity to really ship out loads and loads.

18:42We know when he first came in, he identified who he wanted to ship out, who he trusted. Now he's got this situation where he can ship loads out and he can look and he can basically design a squad that should be able to get up. And then you're in a situation where if he doesn't have director of football dealing with everything and he's got a little bit more power, he could find himself in quite a nice position in the Premier League where he's got his own side, he's got his say. And yeah, but you don't know. Without talking to him and knowing exactly what he's thinking is, you're filling in the gaps.

19:25But it does make sense. Yeah, and what most of us are going by is the fact that he's in these interviews. He's given two really big interviews this year. and Spurs, given the fact that he hasn't managed us for six years and has gone on to the PSG and the USA job and Chelsea in the middle of all that, the fact that when he does these big interviews with High Performance Podcast, and there was also one for BBC, I think, and both those times Spurs came up and it was his, he was asked a question and it was him bringing Tottenham up. Like, who's the club closest to your heart? Tottenham what do you want to do what if you could achieve anything in your career win the Premier League and Champions League with Tottenham like that it's so rare it's so rare like you listen to like Gareth Bale on the overlap and yeah we all love Gareth Bale and he definitely has a soft spot in his heart for us but yeah it ain't that soft you know all of his yeah which is nothing I watched him when he was in the Icons in the golf a few weeks ago and it was like, you know, what team do you support?

20:40And he sort of laughed and he goes Wales. And then he kind of sort of said, he was then hinting at Cardiff. And so it ain't like, and it's being honest, but certain players over the years, you know, if you look at like Michael Dawson, for example, as pinned to Tottenham, like if you talk to him, who do you support? That's his side. You don't get that with Harry Kane so much. I mean, he does it. He says, Harry Kane says it sometimes, but I feel like it's a little bit staged. I've almost caught it at times where he'll hint it, but I'm like, you seem like you're lining something up in the future.

21:21Like you want a role at the club or something. It doesn't seem pure when he says it, because when he left, I didn't feel it. And then it's come back around. It's almost as if someone's got into his ear and said, like, there's a career after football. You've got the likes of Gary Neville, who's your Man United rep. You've got Carragher. It might be nice for you to kind of line it up, you know, pin your colours to Tottenham sort of thing. And I just don't believe it with Harry, like, so much. So when you hear in Potch the way he talks, it's just honest. I totally believe it. he's the man that wanted him back for years now and it's time.

22:03It's been time, but this one, this makes sense. I've got a question here from Burra N17. He says, am I alone in the idea that feeling something is better than feeling numb and nothing at all? All of the bottom of the table fixtures are fascinating now and I'm genuinely excited about watching Spurs again because every match feels like a cup final. I also think that despite our dire form and current points total, I don't actually feel like we're going down and the media is overblowing this for clicks and listens. Romero's back soon and pulling us up from the depths of a possible relegation might be his last trick in Lily White.

22:41In terms of a question, which member of the fighting cock and which current Spurs player consumes the most filthy pornography? You had such a good question, Burr. You could have ended it with a decent question, like a good human being. is this us is this what we've done yes yeah it is isn't it okay yeah right let me finish consumes the most filthy pornography and conversely who's watching the most wholesome stuff cheers i mean from the outside perspective sean i think you're probably best place to answer this who do you think listening is the most cd um alex from bristol oh 100 yeah i would say so yeah Carrie, you're shaking red.

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24:55no absolutely felonious massive giant broads just doing giant broads doing unquestionable things to men yeah it is as far as you know about niche interests as your mates i was a little bit taken aback by his niche interests but it's not filthy is it it's pretty wholesome if anything there's a zero penetration yeah yeah it's just lifting just lifting yeah heavy lifting yeah just getting carried around by a woman. You can actually get sucked off by a woman while she's carrying her around. While being carried.

25:30I love it. I never knew that that was a niche. I didn't know that thing existed. Sorry, Sean, what were you going to say? Well, yeah, I'd go with Alex from what I know. I just imagine that just the sheer amount that he watches, he's going to cover all bases. He's open with it. He's open with it as well. I think realistically it's anyone who has close to a drug habit is definitely dabbling in some uncertain stuff who's watching the most wholesome stuff Ricky is and I know this because he uses his mind yeah he's one of the only men I know that doesn't need a visual stimuli stimulus I don't know which one's the correct one but when he's knocking one out he can just use the power of his brain

26:21that's a guy who's got not much else going on spurs his mind six foot two six foot two black eye six foot two black eye does Levy deserve more credit than he got considering how catastrophic this season has been boys

26:50yes um yeah he does yeah in answer to the question i think he he he deserves a bit of credit because he's a lot better than the mob that's left behind and he wouldn't have seen us go down because it would have got around december times those alarm bells would have been would have been going in his head that trigger finger would be like itching on him and And Frank would have got the bullet in early January. And someone would have come in and it wouldn't have been Igor Tudor. It would have been a relegation specialist. And they would have come in and he would have spent a bit of money in January with the eye to staying in the league.

27:35And he would have acted earlier. And I just don't think this idea of just gambling in the way that they have, of, no, no, no, we'll stay in, and in the long term, we'll save a little bit of money here. We won't have the problem of having to shift a few bods on. Levy would have got us through this situation. That said, he don't deserve that much credit, and he still, he 110 % deserved the sack. So I'm not saying that. Sorry, Sean. But in comparison to what we've got here, who aren't football people. Yeah. They're the offspring of a billionaire who are trying to run a football club. They shouldn't be making footballing decisions.

28:25Daniel Levy, yeah. So he deserves the credit in that he's better than this lot, but he definitely needed a sack. Yeah, it's his decision-making that led us to this position. But I was really concerned by the reports, and they may not be true, that Dan Bulcher, I think his name is Dan or David Bulcher, I can't remember. He's the son-in-law to Vivian Lewis. And it was him that said that Frank had to be sacked. Now he was right, but you don't want him making footballing decisions. It's got to be Venkatesham. It's got to be Lange. Even if they're not good enough, it has to be them. That's their job.

29:03Because he doesn't have enough experience in football to make the right decision and have all the information. It's like us doing it. it's like the fans are calling for everybody's head every two minutes. It's them making the decision. But we're allowed to do this. We're allowed to say what we want about our football club and decisions that we made because we don't make the decisions because there are zero consequences from what we're saying. There is massive consequences for what the Lewis family are saying if they're not understanding of the game. And the problem is, and no doubt they all support Spurs and they're big Spurs fans.

29:36Of course, they're going to be. the vested interest in the benefit in the growing of the football club but it might lead them to a point where they think they could actually do the job they could run the football club in a way or make footballing decisions for the betterment of the club I think I could until the moment I walked into a football club and understand ramifications of my of my decisions and at that point i'll realize i'm out of my depth there are i would say 10 of the people listen to this podcast feel like they would do a better job than daniel levy they're out of their mind it's it's so difficult to run a football club you can still criticize him for doing the wrong things my point here is is if people if members of the lewis family are making footballing decisions that is a recipe for disaster.

30:27Yeah. And I also think, Cal, that maybe it was Daniel Levy's decisions over many seasons that have led us to this position because he employed Langer. Yes. At least Langer. I was about to say that, yeah. Go on. Yeah, there's just been just one, just, yeah, this has been coming, hasn't it? It feels like that maybe the club needs like something like this, like a hard fucking reset. Now relegation would be an absolute fucking disaster. let's not get it twisted it'd be a fucking disaster um but yeah like you said he he hired Langer he he hired an ex-Arsenal guy in Venkateshen and at the time I think I think even I downplayed you know him him belonging to you know him working for Arsenal for that for that time wasn't a big deal but I think in hindsight it was a big deal I think I think for a while now we've kind of forgotten who we are and lacked a bit of fucking self-respect, to be honest.

31:23And we need to start having a bit of fucking self-respect again. But what I will, and I've said it a few times about Daniel Levy, he was a businessman running a football club, but he'd been doing it for 20 years and done an okay job at it. He's far more qualified than this lot that are in charge now. They're completely, none of them know what they're doing at all. And to get to December and not think, let's sack Frank now before the January transfer window. Let's get a new coaching before the window and then get to the end of that window and to have not signed a central midfielder and a left back and two or three more players to just ensure that we stay up.

32:05It's just, it's criminal. It's criminal how they've been running the football club this lot. They just, they don't know what they're doing. So to answer the question, yeah, I think Levy, no I don't think he does deserve more credit I think he gets the right amount of credit I think he gets credit for running the club in a stable fashion and to be fair to him he could turn around and say well when I left you had Champions League football and a trophy in the cabinet but yeah I think you're right Flav I think some of his decisions have led us to this and hiring Johan Langer and Thomas Frank were two of them and keeping the wage to ratio limit down in the way that he has is really hamstrung.

32:45That squad is nowhere near the level of clubs that we consider to be our rivals or peers or whatever it might be. I think I found your old account, Sean. Yeah. On Reddit. Yeah, it's just a geezer called Krasis but spelt like your surname or your... No, that's not me. But it might be. I don't know. You tell me whether it is you after I read the question in case you might have done it when you're drunk or something. Will you ever acknowledge the real price of tickets has actually decreased over the past decade when accounting for either inflation or UK median wage growth. Does that sound like you?