S15E66 - Hope, At Last

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1:25Quicker, bring out the good. It's the fighting. It's the fighting. Cock. It's the fighting. It's the fighting. Cock. A camel turn up. Hello and welcome back to the Fighting Cock podcast. And finally, for the first time in 2026, we've got something positive to talk about. But many of you have realised, just in case a couple of Spurs fans might not have realised, we got a 90th minute equaliser against Liverpool. And Richarlison scored it. Now, we were all kind of pessimistic going into this game. We didn't really think we'd get much from it. When was the last time Spurs won at Anfield? I think it was 15 years ago.

2:18I think you had two wins in 30. like that um and uh ben you you you you were banging the drum hard for spurs getting some sort of result called it you did you did it there called it called it called it called the richardison last minute dagger as well yeah you did i saw that on twitter when did you post that uh so on on saturday night i went to it was my girlfriend's auntie's auntie's 60th birthday yeah and i was chatting with i was there was a load of gooners there and they're all doing the classic thing of just like no you'll be all right you'll be all right the whole kind of like patronizing feeling and i was like i went outside and i was just scrolling my phone it was after i think it was when west and man city was happening i was like checking the score and i just thought you know what i'm just gonna drop this bomb right now i'm just gonna tweet it so i tweeted it while I was there being just like surrounded by gooners being just patted on the back by them and I was like fuck it we are going to get something tomorrow and Richarlison is going to score and it happened it actually happened well so I I don't want to have to I'm not claiming to you know have to be hanging on to your coattails but I also felt like you were with me you were you were we were we were fighting against the tide in the group chat on uh yeah on Saturday night i think spooky said to me it's like you say this literally every game and i was like i know i know but you're a broken a broken clock is uh twice right twice is that yeah twice correct and uh actually it happened this week so it's more than that though it was it there was this weird sort of feeling in our cock yeah that some some something was gonna happen like i was doing um a talk sport sorry clunk name dropping but i was doing a talk sport interview um about three hours, four hours before kickoff.

4:11Yeah. And they asked, like, we went through all the issues that were going on at Spurs, and then they asked the question, how do you think you'd do it at Liverpool today? And I was just like, for some reason, I've got a feeling we're going to get something from it. And it was based on nothing. Like, because the... Tudor's tenureship at Tottenham Oxford has been... Well, we know what it is. It's been terrible, right? Yeah. We've been pumped everywhere we go. And even when we don't have to go anywhere, at home, we're getting pumped. So there was no reason to be optimistic or bullish about this game.

4:44But there was something about it that made me think, I think this is, you know, given the history with Richarlison and Liverpool, I just felt like this is football writes these stories, the footballing gods write these stories all the time. And given the fact that, you know, as the game played out, He had opportunities, headers that were just inches away from going in and just over his head. And we were just getting in opportunities consistently throughout the 90 minutes, really. There were times we had to suck up and then sort of sit back and soak up pressure. But when we had opportunities, they were quite dangerous ones.

5:24And it just was of no surprise, despite my absolute elation when that ball went in. I haven't celebrated a goal like that for ages. Bill Bauer, I think. I generally think that I think the only the only goal I've celebrated that was maybe on par of that this season was Wolves' last minute equaliser against Arsenal a few weeks ago like that's probably about it but yeah it was like it just felt like the sort of stupid thing we'd do would go in after how bad we've been and also I feel like I don't know I don't know how I don't know about you but I felt like with the after the Atletico game that kind of just like did something to me where it was such like a absolute car crash where it kind of just made me regain a little bit of sympathy again and just a little bit of like you know what we've just got to try and draw a line under that and just kind of move past it and you say that you feel like you're sort of saying that after every game because obviously no matter how bad you've been the next game always comes with that little bit of hope and optimism that you might go and get something but it just felt like atletico was so disastrous and we actually but to be fair we actually played okay in that game it just kind of gave me a little bit of a thing going into this weekend of just like let's just cut out all of the negativity as much as we can because we've got and also then like you see Romero and Paulina out for the game so well of course they are and then just that that lack that sort of it felt like there was more of a siege mentality I think kind of going into this one a little bit because no one really expected anything and also the amount of players that we had out that we've had out for ages but everything that's kind of gone wrong this week how it could go wrong I was listening to you on and Jaffan and James was kind of saying like, oh, well, a Spurs bottoming out.

7:04It's like, is this as bad as it's going to get? And it was like, well, it could obviously get worse, but hopefully that is as disastrous and calamitous as it can get and we can just draw a line under that and say that was such a freak thing where hopefully because of almost, I don't know, it just made me feel sorry for them a little bit, even though they don't deserve it. You know, do you know what I mean? It was just... The Atletico game wasn't, in reality, it wasn't like a tactical malfunction. It was just, perhaps there was an element of a lack of preparation. Maybe that, like in terms of understanding the pitch you're playing on and making sure everyone has the same footwear.

7:39Because, I mean, I presumed Atletico Madrid wore different boots than they would if they weren't playing on that surface. And why wasn't that an option for Spurs? Or they're just much more used to shifting their weight and running in a certain way on that pitch. means that because Barcelona got absolutely battered there I think it was like 4-0 or something like that yeah and the same thing happened with the goalie making a mistake went under his foot and I've sensed a shift I've sensed a shift from the players but I've also sensed a shift from the supporters because you listen to that away end yesterday and there were moments where it was tense but they were behind them and that goal that Richarlison scored is so important it's huge because, you know, there is things being worked on at Spurs, you know, by the fans and the things that are going to be coming out in a few days that it's really about bringing this football club together and making sure that the players and the fans are on board and we're pulling in the right direction.

8:45So Lanky did an interview, I think probably before the Liverpool game, might have been. Yeah, I think it was on Wednesday, I think. Right. And he said, you know, we need you. We need you. and they need us and we need them. And you cannot never understand the impact of having as many players out as we had. Like that game before Saturday, sorry, that game on Sunday, that was the worst injury crisis or suspension. It added sort of players not available that I've ever seen at Spurs. We thought it bad for large parts of this season. This was the worst. Yeah. You have 13 players, first team players out.

9:26And you've got a lineup. I've got Vicario, Spence, Dragoson, Danso and Porro as your back four. You've got Tell on the left, Sar and Gray in the middle. And you've got Souza who's starting his second game for Spurs, is it? Or third game for Spurs? Yeah, he started Palace, didn't he? And then, yeah, I think that's the second, yeah. Playing on the other side of the pitch in a position he's never played on before against Liverpool at Anfield with a front two of Richarlison and Solanke. It was more like a 4-4-1-1 at times. It kind of shifted and whatnot. But to a man, they stood up. And, you know, the options off the bench were just, there was nothing there.

10:08You had Mawani and Simmons in terms of nothing there on paper. Both players came in. Mawani had a massive impact when he came on. And I thought Simmons was decent as well. And then you've got two kids in LOCC and Roswell is making his debut. Alex Isse came on, he was one part, he's played for Spurs before, hasn't he? Yeah, I think. It wasn't his debut, was it? No, no, yeah. I think he's come, I can't remember what game it was. It might have been a Champions League game. Elspog. Maybe last year. Yeah, I can't remember. He's definitely played for Spurs before, but yeah, like five minutes maybe off the bench or something.

10:43He actually looked quite tidy, I thought. He was good, yeah. I thought it's, it probably says more about maybe some of our other midfield options, but I thought he was just really comfortable on the ball. He was playing a lot of first-time passes where he wasn't panicking. He was getting up and down the pitch. He wasn't staying on the ball for too long. He was calm. I would start him on Wednesday. I just think because we're probably going to have to... There's a lot to be said about that game and how much it matters or whatever. You want to be able to use any game possible, even if it doesn't have Premier League consequences to use as kind of a building block and a step in the right direction.

11:14And hopefully, if we can turn that game around, it'd be amazing. but I think it's you're probably going to have to still despite the fact this player's coming back you're probably going to still have to rely on him off the bench here and there between now and the end of the season and I think also with younger players I think the introduction of those guys into this situation just gets the fans on board even more as well because they're not going to no one's going to go for those players they're going to give it everything it's an opportunity for them and we've seen it with well you've seen it this weekend with some like unfortunately for the scum and then even in Gamow yesterday like there is such a fearlessness I think in this kind of current crop of like younger players generally that are coming through in the Premier League that what's the harm in kind of doing it and it just gives the fans a bit more to kind of get behind as well and I thought yeah I thought it was decent well the harm would be is that sort of the Kinski example where they get exposed yeah I think it's different with a goalie though like I think goalies there's always more scrutiny around like mistakes and also like Kinski despite the fact that I think we were probably all aligned on the fact that Atletico like he probably should have been we were all a bit fed up with Vicario so it's like why not and then after the fact he makes it and it's you know all that conversation kind of already been had but he has made mistakes for spurs before kinski like despite the fact we all want him an opportunity but i get what you mean he played he played at the emirates i think and yeah he did yeah and he he come for a punch and missed it completely um you know and like you're right man he's he's he's fearlessness yesterday was was impressive he was probably the best but apart from charlison for obvious reasons and to Bozla as well, to be fair.

12:42Yeah. He was the best player on the pitch. And that fearless enough of youth, they haven't learned what it's like to fail. They haven't heard the jeers of the crowd. And yeah, maybe you're right. I mean, we have to. We have to. I mean, the game against Forest at the weekend is all important.

13:00So perhaps Sarr and Gray might need a rest. I don't know whatever it is, but you're going to have to dig deep and play these players. because our bench had seven players compared to Liverpool's nine. You know, you're allotted nine. Two goalkeepers, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like, mate, it's absolutely fucking mental. Individual performances, Ben. Who did you like? Who stood out? Obviously, Richie, but I feel that it's probably more to be said about him as we kind of go on just because he was, you know, the moment and everything and I think he deserved it. But I thought our best player was Pap Sar. I thought Sar was brilliant.

13:39I just think that I've said this kind of consistently around when we brought in Conor Gallagher and throughout the season. He started really well under Frank. And I just think he's such an underrated part of our squad. And I actually think yesterday, which is something that we maybe haven't seen as much from him because it's not really been his role under various managers. But I think he showed a lot of calmness when we were trying to play out from deeper areas yesterday. He played a really good ball at the end of the game through to Xavi where we kind of had that chance before the corner that then put all of our hearts in our mouths.

14:08but he mopped up absolutely everything as well. There were so many situations where they'd be putting us under pressure, balls would go in the box, Dragasin or Danso would sort of like half clear it and then it'd fall. You think it's going to fall to one of their guys on the edge of the box but Sar showed so much composure in those kinds of situations just to bring the ball down, he'd drop his shoulder and then just drive and get us out of it and then play the ball off. Like he just looked like, he didn't look phased by the situation at all and I thought he was really good. Like I just, I thought he was great.

14:36Gray alongside him again, like so I saw a few tweets from actually finally really from kind of some like rival fans yesterday saying that like it shouldn't go unnoticed what Archie Gray is doing in this in this plight for Tottenham like he has been a bit of a shining light and it's so good to kind of see him getting his flowers again just a calmness on the ball a lot of the time as well made some good tackles I don't think it was his best game that he's necessarily had in this little mini run where he's been outstanding in certain games but again just another quietly decent seven out of ten performance which is what you want from him like we've not had that in midfield for so long yeah and and and not not just from fans from outside but but from Spurs fans I think we're starting to wake up to as well I mean it's taken me a while to get there you can see like last season he got many plaudits for his calmness and his willingness to play out a position and in a really difficult side the difficult you know circumstances you know without our central back pairing in a system that exposes centre-backs and full-backs, that he was, you know, his willingness to just go out there and do it.

15:41And he played, I think he had 18 games or something like at centre-back last year. Yeah. And even this season, playing left wing-back, right wing-back, full-back, you know, he is a midfielder. You can tell by the way he plays, his gait and the way he strikes the ball that midfield is definitely where he is. He's so intelligent. He reads, he's constantly, if you watch it off the ball which is difficult to do as you're a fan of a football club watching your own team is you're just focused on the ball and where it's going and how likely it is we're going to score a goal but he's scanning constantly yeah just reading the pitch and downloading information and just thinking like what do i do next what position do i need to be in and i think we've got a star there like if if we stay up and i'm gonna get your opinions on how you feel right now but yeah if we stay up he's really someone we can build apart build build something to be a part of and i think a lot of criticism from him or a lack of respect probably is a better way of describing it is because he looks so young and people assume that he's immature and he can't be involved in the game whereas it's just not true you can see he's growing into it and i was listening to um the high performance podcast with ian graham who i'm a massive fan of him he's i've mentioned his book a few times about uh he wrote a book called how how to win the premier league and it was basically about how data has become such an important part of of um of a player's understanding a player and understanding their role in the team and understanding when buying a player what you actually should be looking for it's listen to the book some of it's quite heavy going it can be dry at times because it is you're talking about data and statistics but It's fascinating because you combat opinion and the eye test with dry data.

17:34And both of those things are really important. Character is something you can't see in terms of statistics. Yeah. But Archie Gray just shows everything you need from a player that young in the Premier League. He's not scared. He never hides from the ball. and one of the things that Ian Graham was saying in this podcast was that when buying a player 24 is kind of like a peak like a pinch point it's like a perfect time to look at whether or not you should sign a player and the reason for that is that you from from 24 onwards you start to really see the kind of player that you're going to get and for him to be four years off that is is insane yeah with so much experience as well like under his belt at this point and it's like with players like you hear it with so many kind of ex-pros all the time where they you can do whatever you want in training and we've already heard loads of things about what he's like on the training pitch and how he sets an example at such a young age but you know that doesn't necessarily guarantee development the only way that you're going to develop as a player is playing games and the fact that he's kind of gone through so much lived turbulence kind of already is probably going to help him as a player by the time he actually gets to that point.

18:50It's probably similar to Bergvall as well. Bergvall had his flowers and his moments last year because of the injuries and the fact that he didn't show any real fear when he played. It's the same with Gray. You think about where those two are going to be by the time... We were saying about Saar just before. I think Saar is 23, 24. He's five years older than Gray. We think we've got a decent player in there, but I just think when Gray gets to that point, and when Bergvall, if he's hopefully still here, gets to that point as well, like what that could then do, what that can then do for them. It's, it's, it's, yeah, it's huge.

19:22Did you just say, so, what did you say was five years older than, I think SARS like 20. Well, Gray's just, sorry, Gray's just turned 20, I think, isn't he? Like literally just turned 20. I think SARS 24. He's 24 in September. Oh, right. Okay. So 23. So he's still got a few years on him. It's like, I was, I was, yeah, yeah, fair. I was, I was kind of on, I've been on the fence with SARS for a little bit. like you see his quality and you see there is a player in him i wondered like about his physical stature or whether or not he that he's right for the premier league in his build um i was i did a thing i'm doing it again i'm not going to say what i did but it was for on another show and what i was asked to do was like keep or sell in terms of our squad and the one the one player that i was on the fence most with was Sarr because I don't necessarily feel like we've seen enough from him to absolutely guarantee that he's part of the movement to take us forward as a football entity but then you see what happened yesterday I just think like like you said I know you mentioned it earlier but he just he was he was just really good every time he caught the ball he's like something happened like he's I don't know if you have seen his um stats he's passing stats um but He had like 83 % passing accuracy, 39 out of 47 passes were accurate.

20:42In the opposition half, which is the key part, 24 out of 28, 86%. When you have problems building attacks and scoring goals and being offensive and making the other team think and worry about what you can possibly do, putting up those kind of stats, 24 and 28 accurate passes in their half, was, yeah, I mean, you can't deny it. And you look at their team, mate. Like, Alisson, Sir Bozlai, like, he's his class, by the way. Yeah, he's mustard. Joe Gomez is probably the outlier as one of their weaker players. And Andy Robertson is aging, but, you know, still. It's been better recently as well. Like, he's kind of come back into the team a little bit and shown how important that he still is.

21:27Yeah, Van Dijk is a centre-back. And you've got McAllister and Graven Birch as the two in midfield. And the front four is Rio, Verts Frimpong out of position but you could interchange Sir Bozzi and Frimpong and he was fine yesterday and obviously the big one that they all hate is Gagpo they absolutely fucking hate him it's so funny they just all think that slots like they're almost like in a relationship those two they absolutely hate him but that's them making five changes as well yeah because on the bench you've got Eketike you've got Kiesa Salah Curtis Jones it's you know Kerkhez who didn't play Kanate didn't play it's ridiculous yeah my point I'm making here is that the challenges for Tottenham Oxford to go into this game and compete and the fact that they did should be commended in a massive way at a time where we desperately needed that I didn't think we get anything of it and we were all looking towards the Forest game and hoping that would be the one the fact that we got a point out of this was that I can't tell you have important days.

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24:33I do think sometimes with the whole thing about fight and have they got the bottle for it, sometimes those can be a bit lazy throwaway words when there are bigger issues at play as well in terms of the actual quality of what we're seeing as well. But it was nice to have that someone in your corner a little bit because we have been hammered, rightly so. But yeah, it is so big. I think Kevin Danso as well is someone that's definitely worth talking about. I think Dragasin's come in for a lot of crap yesterday, which I think is, to be honest, I don't rate Dragasin. I think it was a poor bit of business from Spurs.

25:07It didn't really necessarily make sense at the time because of what we wanted with our centre-backs from Ange in terms of playing out from the back. He's shown that he can't do that. And yesterday, I think more so than ever really, him and Vicario. But he did make a couple of big blocks and defended the box okay. But like Danso mopped up and matone for a lot of errors that Spurs were kind of making. Bodies on the line. I just think there is a bit of a conversation to be had around, you know, Forrest and next week when Romero and Van der Ven are back available, whether Spurs go to a three with those three or Danso keeps his place if Spurs go to a four.

25:43Because I think there's a few players yesterday, and there's others to obviously talk about in terms of how well they played, but who don't deserve to, who, sorry, who deserve to keep their place. I think Danso was just like, that is one of the best, despite the fact that at times he's also, he's not an amazing setback and he's shown that with certain mistakes that he's made even though it's been, they're few and far between. Like he is a, that was a good bit of business, Kevin Danso. And I think he's someone that will stand up for Tottenham now. Like it was a big thing when we learned that him and Poro were kind of coming back from injury, I think it was before the Fulham game, that those were two that, despite the fact that we've got better players than both of those two out injured and still do you know you're going to get something from those two especially Danso in terms of fighting I think yeah you had more clearances more headed clearances more like um sort of shot saving tackles than anybody yesterday it was just a a warrior kind of performance that we so desperately needed bear in mind there's been so much scrutiny around our centre-backs yeah I I it's tricky for me to talk about Danso because I've been a little a little bit critical of him in recent games.

26:45And I feel like I've been really emotional about Spurs. Yeah, but everyone has as well. I just think, I don't rate Danso as a defender as highly as maybe some others do. I think there's, you know, even when we were okay, like earlier on in the season, I think there were people that were saying that Danso should start over Romero because the whole Romero thing's been a conversation the whole time about how much people actually like him or rate him. I just think stuff like that's nonsense. But like, he played well yesterday. He's had bad games for Spurs, but he did play well yesterday. It's like a lot of them.

27:15It's like we've sat here and slagged off basically every single player that was on that pitch and said that they're not good enough and say that they don't care and all these kind of things because you're angry and you're emotional as a fan. That's completely normal. But yeah, I think he's someone that we're going to need, I think, whether it's in a four at the back or a three at the back. I just think that he deserves to probably keep his place. Yeah. Another player I've slagged off ad nauseum is Richarlison. we've all been there I feel like I've been strong on it maybe maybe needlessly so it's easy to say now because I again on this show that I did where I had to pick between players to keep and players to let go I actually said we should keep Richarlison and that is beyond this season such as how flip floppy I've been on him actually it hasn't been flip floppy I hated his guts and now I love him to bits.

28:13It just shows you how little you should listen to me whenever I have an opinion about football because I'm more emotional than most people, I think. I just, what you need right now for the situation we're in is desire, fight and a willingness to just not give up. And he has all of those things. And I've been completely disrespectful of it. But when you're sort of third in the league and you see his failings, where fight isn't necessarily as quality you want and unity, not unity, but functioning in the unit and the cohesion between the players, that hasn't been there and perhaps been too critical because your elevation of what you think you deserve as a fan when you're in the top four and you're going for things, it changes and suddenly you go, well, that player's not good enough.

29:05And now we are in an awful situation and now I'm going is exactly what we need like how dare I for what it's worth I did put out a tweet yesterday going I'm sorry for everything I said about you it wasn't just a goal Ben it weren't just a goal he had five opportunities on goal four on target there were times in this season we couldn't get one shot across the squad and as depleted as we were Richarlison with the help of his teammates managed to get five shots on goal and four of them hit the target. On his own, in terms of the shots on target, there was an extra year of 1.44. Yeah. Yeah, he deserved that goal, 100%.

29:50Oh, mate, and he loved it. He made some... There were certain points in the game where maybe he made some poorer decisions or whatever, but you're never going to get that from Richarlison in terms of like... There was one in the first half where we won the ball back in midfield and Tell was in and he decided to try and slip it through to Solanke and got it completely wrong rather than playing in Tell. But you know Richie's not going to always give you that, but what he is always going to give you is a presence in the box like you said we always seem to just create more chances when he's on the pitch like we just do he's he's got that presence in and around the box where it probably encourages players more to put crosses in because they're more likely that they feel like they're going to get something from it um you know he had a lot he had that header from the set piece he had that header just before where he was kind of leaning back and he did actually well to kind of steer that as close to the target as he did and like you said it's totally it's totally circumstantial but I've been in the same boat as you where I don't feel like there's a player at the football club's reputation that kind of almost fluctuates as much as his in terms of like we've got to sell this guy to actually he's probably the first name on the team sheet at the moment like he's like that we he is one of those players you fall out of love with him as quickly as you fall in love with him but that's more in the context of Spurs you know when when we think we're not doing as well as we should be we should be a club that's competing in the Champions League and trying to eventually get to the point where we're competing for titles.

31:07Richie's not going to do that. He can be a squad player that might come off the bench and give you 10 goals a season, which is in itself incredibly valuable. And I think he showed that at the start of the season as well, where there was then a conversation about who should be the number one, him or Solanke when Richarlison started really well. But with this current situation that we're in now, if you were building an 11 of years gone by of players that you'd want to get out of a relegation battle, you'd probably put Richarlison up front in that team for what he did for Everton. He dragged Everton along with the fans and there's other contributing factors as well.

31:40But he was the spearhead that did that. And we're in this situation now. He's got the stomach for it. He's been there. He's got that lived experience where not many of our other players do. West Ham and Forest do have that because they've been in that situation themselves and got themselves out of it. We need a player to be able to turn through that knows exactly what it's like to go through what we're going through at the moment. and he did you know we all had the same anxiety when he was celebrating as much as he did because we've seen it at Anfield before where he took his top off jumps into the away and then they go and score straight away so when they were counter-attacking as they did after that corner the flashbacks were at the Vietnam level of just like oh my fucking god not again but added Richarlison but and he probably gave it when he celebrated as well didn't he he went to the camera he did this sort of like pose the camera was right on it and obviously the photography from that moment has been superb we used to be on it we've used, I don't know who took this shot.

32:32It is insane. It's on the thumbnail of this episode. Great phone background, that, isn't it? Yes, perfectly. With the Kenny Dalglish stand behind it. It was just, it was superb. You look at Mwani's face, he's grinning from ear to ear. Actually, it was really good. Yeah, it was good. He had 15 minutes to change the game and he was a big part of that forward momentum. His assist was quality. Like the way he just like, he won the duel and then the way he sort of juggled to bring it down. Yeah, the way he juggled to bring it down and then just the kind of perfect timing of the pass as well. There was a weird sort of hesitation when the ball was dropping and he sort of like lunged but then pulled back and made Robertson react.

33:17In the first instance, I thought, oh, he's gone in with his arm or something like that but he was nowhere near him. Yeah. And he's taken the ball and gone across and then at that moment, you know, it was all fans. you just light up and go, please, please. And then it happened. Such a Richarlison finish as well. Yeah, he was sort of scuffed. Scuffed a little bit into the bottom corner, but you take that. Did you think it was a penalty on Richie from Van Dijk? So I've spoken about this earlier. It depends how you look at it, which is ridiculous. Yeah. My answer is no. Yeah. But given the level of which red cards and penalties have been given in the last month, then yes.

33:58100%. Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah. Yeah. So you had Van der Ven. I don't think any of us thought that that wasn't a foul or a red card. The Le Croix on Cunha was ridiculous. Yeah, way softer than this as well. Way, way softer. It was like a... It's like he had his arm on his shoulder. Cunha's gone down, bought it. VAR, I've looked at it. No, no, VAR didn't look at it, actually. The referee just pulled out his card, I think. Yeah. I can't remember exactly. No, I think he did. Yeah, I think you're right. But for this one, Van Dijk was all over him. Now, what I would say is all over him in the context of the modern game is one thing.