S15E80 - To Tel And Back

26:19What elicited that? I think it's because you see it mildly frustrated with Madison when he would get wound up by someone's antics or he would take a hit and roll around. And I think I would have been unhappy of us losing a game and decided to take that out on him when it's probably not. He's just game managing probably. But I take it all back because we need him desperately. Well, like you said, I think that's it. You know, I think whatever. I think I've always sort of complained about him being a bit inconsistent. Like we know how good he is, but he doesn't show it enough, whatever. But when you see, like you say, nightside last night, Like when he's clearly, well, I mean, he's definitely not match fit.

27:05He's probably not even fully physically fit at all. And just instantly just looked like our best player, didn't he? You know, he stepped onto the pitch and you're suddenly like, God, that's what we've been. With Kane gone, with Sonny gone, players of that certain quality. I'm not saying he's on their level, but he's the closest thing to their sort of level that we got. I mean, you know, Kulisevsky as well. Let's not forget him either. what a player yeah it's it's a relief it's a relief it's very nice but you know is it do you think we're going down I can see it I don't know what are you how are you feeling Jay are we up or down tell us how you feel I think I think West Ham get four points from these last two games I think West Ham get four points so we need two draws or one win as a minimum and that's four points we'll be two ahead of them won't we yeah Yeah.

27:59And I think that's going to be, I'm not saying it's beyond us. I think, you know, we've got to focus on what it is that De Zerbi said in his presser a couple of weeks ago, right? You know, don't write us off. Everyone else is writing us off. Don't do it yourself. And I think that's fair. I think he's earned our backing more than earned our backing, really, with the sort of performances Spurs have been putting in. Even last night, you know, even for a while, until Leeds got their goal and they sort of lost their arses again, that sort of old habit crept in. We were playing some lovely football, knocking the ball about.

28:33Great chances. Yeah. You know, and it's astonishing that De Zerbe's managed to turn it around like that. So, you know, yeah, it's not likely that we're going to get anything at Stamford Bridge, but it wasn't likely, you know, to the point that we were making, if somebody had said to you a couple of weeks ago, right, West Ham are going to get nothing, zero points from Brentford and Arsenal, and you're going to get four points from Leeds and Villa, we'd have taken that hands down any day of the week we would have taken that so you know i know it doesn't quite work that way like the context of the game the flow of it and everything it is disappointing last night to a degree but i guess we've just got to maintain that you know the eyes look this this is look i'll be honest a couple of weeks ago i thought before deserve it came in i thought we were gone i was like there's no there's no way we stay up whatsoever Now I'm like, it's, I think it's 50-50.

29:28I do right now. If I'm being brutally honest, I think it's 50-50.

29:35Rick, I think we're staying up. Good. Yeah. I think we will probably stay up and it's going to be the most uncomfortable and excruciating journey. It's horrible watching Spurs at the moment, isn't it? Yeah. Because you've seen the uptick. You've seen what the future could be, but it's... It's going to be one of those ones where West Ham go to Newcastle and win. We will go to Stamford Bridge and get a draw. And going into the last game, we're going to be level on points, but we'll be above them on goal difference. So we have to beat Everton. And I reckon Tottenham and West Ham will both lose their home games and will stay up because of our goal difference.

30:32But we are as shit as each other. And under the pressure, we'll both fucking will. What was it like in the ground yesterday, Rick? Atmosphere was great, man. Atmosphere was quality. Tifo, I'm going to admit, Not a big fan of the flame cannons that they have. It was nice because there was a bit of warmth every time the fire flew out. That was nice. But yeah, not a fan of that. Tifo looks great. Atmosphere, again, lots of singing, lots of getting behind the team. And when the team needed it, when we scored the goal, it fucking just went off. It was absolutely quality. and again when the when Leeds scored their penalty we started singing for Tottenham again and just you know got behind them the whole way I think a lot of people were very frustrated with the ref ref's decisions you could feel that and obviously everyone is you know super nervous man it's it's it's a tough watch it it really is when you when you're in there and you're trying to you be positive and trying to get the boys going and try and support them.

31:42But at the same time, where Leeds have pressed us, we've lost the ball and then they're on the attack and you're just like, oh, please don't do this, please. It was tough, man. But no, overall atmosphere is quality. Do you reckon... Sorry, go on, Jack. I was just going to say, do you reckon stay or go is going to be brutal after Everton? I mean, obviously if we go, it'll be... I shudder to think what it would be like in the ground. But I think even if we stay up, people aren't going to be happy, are they? And I think they're going to let the owners know. I think if we win and stay up, the short-term reaction will be pure elation.

32:20Yeah. But there needs to be some reconciliation about what's happened this year. And the people that have gone about making the decisions that have put us in this situation have to be held accountable. I don't know what that means because how do you hold the owners of the football club accountable? You can't. The owners, the business, it's not a membership. We don't vote on anything. A membership of our football club means absolutely nothing. They fucking know it because look at your card. It says client reference number on it. That's how important you are to them. How much money can you put into it?

32:57So it's about, I guess, continuing and building and protest.

33:04potentially there could be a positive out of it if we stay up because it would force yeah owners to be aggressive in the transfer market um deserve be we're essentially pinning all our hopes on on deserve his vision of the football club because he's going to be the one that makes the decisions can you imagine a langer challenging deserve be in a in a meeting room. So De Zerbi, I think, now becomes the most powerful man at the football club in terms of footballing decisions. And thank God, because the other two have been there. Like I keep saying, Venkatesham is a CEO. It's business. He doesn't lead the transfer policies here.

33:47It would be Langer doing that. It would have been Langer's decision not to sign someone in January or sign more players in January. Vengertesem does a much broader role at a much higher level. He needs to bring in a sporting director that can create a culture at the club or a manager that can do it. And Deserbi, you know, Deserbi's got the opportunity to do. Same as Pochettino would have brought in. You know, what was the culture when he was at the football club? And how it's gone so wrong since he was here? It was there because Pochettino was the culture. He set the standards. He set how players behave.

34:20If you don't like it, you're gone. You hate to say it, Arteta's done the same thing at Arsenal. The modern way of looking at football clubs are that you don't want a manager being the be-all and end-all because when he leaves, you've just got a vacuum, you've got a hole that needs to be filled. But right now, we don't have the...

34:42We're over a barrel. We have to give that over to the Zerbi and I don't have a problem with it. I've just watched the Madison penalty again. how that wasn't a penalty i just do not understand where is daredevil a minor don't miss the return of marvel television's daredevil born again so what's next i feel liberated we're gonna take this city back in an all new season now streaming only on disney plus they're hunting us it's time when we started hunting them. I can work with them. This should be tons of fun. Marvel Television's Daredevil Born Again now streaming only on Disney+. I really don't.

35:27Let's talk about something incredible and that's Kinski's two saves in that game. They might be up there with the best saves I've seen from a Tottenham goalkeeper in the modern era. I'm thinking maybe Lloris versus Leverkusen. Do you remember that one when he was going in and he managed to get his arm down? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you... The commentary didn't make big enough a deal about Kinski's first save when he got down to the left of a header from Cavalier. Oh no, Roden. Roden. Yeah. It was unbelievable for him to go through that, what he went through in Madrid, being pulled off.

36:04Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey. Hey. Put it up. Anyway. Doesn't help these quite young. Anyway. he's been taken off because of the performance and then and you think I thought he's never playing for Spurs again in fact this could harm his career significantly and for him to come in and obviously it was enforced but he was gone into the first team and he not only hasn't let us down he could have kept us in the league that's how big those two saves the second one was insane so in the ground first save obviously South Stand had a perfect view and where he got down to it. I cannot believe the speed in which Roden heads it.

36:51And Roden, he's a fucking brickhead, isn't he? He'll just smash that ball. He heads it, how he got down so quickly to it and then saving it. And you could see where he'd saved it, that it was over the line, but the ball wasn't fully over the line. You could see that he'd saved it and he'd saved it dead. And you were like, immediately, like your heart is in your mouth like fuck me like this is so early into the game and that's already happened and everyone's like looking at each other like fucking hell that was we've got off lightly there what that was an incredible save the second save i didn't see it all i saw was that um that you couldn't see it watching the telly you couldn't see it oh right okay just it hit it was it long stuff smashed it and then i heard the cannon off the crossbar and me and my dad just looked at each other like oh god oh god and then i've seen i've seen seen the replay now oh my lord like again i don't know how he did it with a reflect reflexes to fucking get his hand to that and push it onto the bar absolutely incredible man there was another save as well that um where leads were attacking on our right hand side second half and kinski came rushing out and got a block on it and again they're like one of those things where you can easily be like oh i'll just stay on my line i'll stay on my line but he came out and met it and like with that confidence from atletico he could be indecisive there was a couple of times where he had the ball at his feet and he He left it quite a bit late and I thought someone was going to get a toe on it.

38:33They didn't do it in the end. But he's just thinking, fucking hell, for such a young kid, he has been decisive in what he's doing and he's just going with it. So fair fucks to it, man. Any chance, any shout for him to be our number one next year, Jack? Yeah, I think definitely. I think he's more than earned the right to be in consideration for that. I think that if we stay up in the Premier League, there's going to be a lot of players that we need to bring in to make sure we don't have another season like this, right? Definitely more creative players, definitely more attacking talent in the team.

39:12So if we've already got a foundation in someone like Kinski there, great. Who else do you sign? I think he solves a problem. It'd be easier signing a backup goalkeeper than he can cut it in the Premier League his distribution is absolutely fine he's kicking his miles better than Vicario he solves he solves a problem we were in a situation where we had we're potentially having to go out and buy a new goalkeeper because Vicario is left or is leaving um instead of maybe Vickinski is number one maybe we're overblowing it because you know in the short term his performances have been really good but like you say mate like to come off you know the the same sort of thing ended Loris Karius's career.

39:56You know, it has done, you know, he's, he's, he's not done anything of note since then. And it's, you know, fair enough. I mean, it's a Champions League final. It's a bit different, but still, it's incredibly embarrassing thing that happened to Kinski. Like more, like that's, it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. The strength of character. Yeah. It must take to come back for somebody so young to step up and do that. Imagine just doing your job anyway, in front of 60 ,000 people. you'd be you'd be a horrific there are people shouting at you do you know what I mean fucking loser fucking little blonde twig yeah did you see the post-match interview it was so it's Hainsey and who's I always forget the other guy's name Milesy yeah Milesy Milesy said to Zerby he's like Tony what a performance from him such a young man and to say who looked at him he's like sorry who who's Tony he's like kinski and he's like oh kinski yeah yeah yeah yeah kinski yeah yeah yeah cool yeah well his name his name's antonin isn't it yeah so you know he's not he can be up to speed um shout out marzy and uh ben haynes good good human beings um and tell you what else is bloody good lord vpn yes especially if you want private browsing i don't encrypted browsing when you're on public Wi-Fi.

41:22Do you want that? Yeah. You were actually quiet. Do you remember when we were all on a message board a long, long time ago? Me, Jack, and Ricky, along with many others. And it got hacked by some Muslim extremists once. And Ricky changed his name on the message board because he didn't want the Muslim terrorists to come and get him. Scared. I did run scared. Yeah, I did. Yeah. You changed his name to what, Ricky? Fucksticks. Yeah, which I mean, that would really, I mean, they have all of your information, right? They've hacked your computer and you thought changing it from your name to fuck sticks.

41:59Would that be the thing to stop the terrorists from getting you? We don't know who he is. We can't get him. It's just to say fuck sticks. He's changing his name to fuck sticks. How are we going to get him? Look at the history of his account. Okay, that's fine. I love the fact that you would have had this blind panic at like 2 a.m. in the morning on the board. because the message board literally changed to pictures of daggers and like black and Arabic writing. And I don't know what it might have said. Sort of Al-Aqbar or something. Maybe. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, Ricky panics and changed his name, which is funny.

42:34But if he had NordVPN, he wouldn't worry because he'd have encrypted internet. Also, you can change – with one subscription, you can put up to 10 devices. You can have them on the kid's phone. You don't want them on your kid's phone, do you, Ricky? Because what does NordVPN do very well? Gets around parental access. Yeah. So if you can get around parental access, the kids can get around parental access. Don't put it on their phones. Yeah. Yeah, just your phone. Yeah. Are you sick of, are you sick of, are you sick, like in your own house, of having to squirrel away into a toilet cubicle to fud one out.

43:18It's your house, Ricky. You should just go, right, I'm off for a wank, everyone. Don't come in the room.

43:26Do you remember how I used to think that you used to always masturbate, Rick? Yeah, I do, yeah. What, what? That I had to lay 180, like proper lay down 180 and be completely cloveless. 100 % naked. and you also had to spray out newspaper underneath your body.

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44:10I've got the two-year plan. Don't lie, Ricky. I've given you a free code. why are you lying to him no I have got I have got the two year plan I pay for it weirdly but do you yeah I've like it's like run out like do you know Jake if you're listening to this yeah NordVB he's a Spurs fan can I can you hook me up with why am I I mean surely I'm doing quid po crow innit give me give me some free internet shout out to the geezer at OpenAI who gave me a free pro version of ChatGPT mate I asked I asked if we could get you one, Rick, but it's like 200 quid a month. Yeah, I know. I know that. Yeah, so. What about the one further down on that?

44:51The little, the cheapy one, if you're listening. I'll take that. No, well, you've already fucking ruined your, you, so we've got a mate of ours. He'll be listening to this, James, right? And what was it? I'm not going to help you out here. No, I know you're not going to pass it. No, no, no. Buy stuff for playing that. Royal Albert Hall. And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. If we don't get tickets, in my brain, I'm going to ask James because James might be able to help us. Ricky didn't even wait for the tickets to go on sale. He just went straight away, James, can you get me tickets? Give me tickets.

45:30He's my mate, Ricky. He's my mate. I've met him more times than you, mate. I've not met him yet. Well, there you go. No, but hang on a second. I was having a beer with him a couple of weeks back. We're pals. Rick, as the leader of the podcast, obviously i'm his mate first just because you've been with him more anyway um did you think the performance over and all i thought it was fair i thought the result was probably fair i kind of felt spurs edged it um but there was it was essentially we had i would say we had an hour of that game with leads being relatively dangerous at times and then they had a really strong 20 minutes where they they capitalized and i thought i said to my that a few times during the second half and i know it's such an obvious thing to say but we need bodies we need to freshen this up why hasn't he made a decision why hasn't he brought on gray or barobar midfield why hasn't he done anything i was surprised he waited as long as he did but i'm almost hesitant to say that because i don't want to add to this narrative it's almost always you hear football fans when they're criticizing their manager it's like substitutions it's always substitutions why do you think he did wait so long when it looked like leads beginning to overrun us?

46:43I mean, you don't need the answer for that. It was confusing, wasn't it? Yeah. You're aware of it in the stadium? Yeah, I think I remember looking up and it was maybe 77 minutes and we hadn't made a sub, I believe. I might be wrong. It was about that, yeah. So it was very late and I was thinking that the game was starting to get away from us and it was just starting to go one way. So we needed to do something to change it. We needed to, we've had a lot of players that are coming back from injury and we needed to kind of wrestle back the momentum and stop kind of the pressure that leads to putting on us.

47:28And I just thought, where are the subs? Like, why haven't we brought anyone on? And I remember at the time thinking that, You know, sometimes if it's not broke, don't try and fix it. And at the time, we've got a stable team. They know their roles. They know what they're doing. They've been training all week. They're holding their own. We were still creating chances as well, especially the first half. And it started to kind of cool off. And I don't know whether he was just like, if I make too many changes, will it kind of unbalance it and tip it the other way? I don't know that's just a guess but I would have thought we would have been more on the front foot and change things earlier personally.

48:17Yeah I felt like we needed it and it felt like he didn't almost like I don't know I don't want to create narratives that are not there but it just felt like he waited too long we began to become overrun leads look fitter they look more brought into Farker and obviously what he's asking them to do and they for the fact they were safe it was almost like they were motivated by being a part of the storyline that sends Tottenham down I think we're going to have to deal with that a lot in the next if we go down the next year certainly the next two games Richarlison was a frustrating watch I don't think he was fit there was one moment in the second half where he was busting the gut to press a man down and then he ran back again and then he was fucked for like five minutes just saw him walking about I don't think there was rumours that he didn't train but I don't know he didn't look fit out there and also Solanke is unreliable so it's going to be a it's going to be the first port it's the most important thing I think we do this summer is sign a number nine who's worth worth his salt I think Solanke's out for the rest of the season now isn't he yeah I mean two games in it um Yeah, there was a ball in the first half, you know, flash against the front of the goal.

49:43And Richarlison, he didn't catch it that well. And it was quite a soft finish. Goalkeeper got down. It was a bad first touch as well. Remember that one early on in the second, first half and the ball was played in? Oh, God. Fucking hell. I literally, I remember just at that point, it was like, how is he Brazilian? I was like absolutely spitting feathers at that point. And then in the second half, another ball came in, very close range, and he just got over it or under it, and it spooned out. And it was like such a fucking poor miss as well. But like you said, was there rumours that he didn't train this week or something like that?

50:28He was suffering from an injury. And like you're saying, he looked at his brain out of his arse at times. And, you know, it's very, it's just a very kind of energy sapping to play that whole time if you've been injured. And psychologically, if you're, you know, down there, things get frustrating when it doesn't kind of pull off for you.

50:52But, yeah, we had like 16 corners or something like that. And I was like, one of them's got to go in. Richie, you've got to get your head on one of these. Someone has to get their head on one of these corners. No one did. No, 16 corners. There was, I think, 16 shots on goal. Three on target, off target. We had six blocked shots. We had the moment of magic in Matital. Other than that, it just didn't quite go in for us. And the thing is, the performance was a one-all game, a draw. I don't have any, you can't argue much against that. But if you, you know, if the ball goes into the net and, you know, you think about the game completely differently.

51:42Similarly, if Kinski hadn't made those two saves, all hell would have broken loose, but he did. And we didn't. So. It was such a weird game. Sorry, excuse me. It's such a weird game. The ball didn't feel like it was on the floor at all. It felt like the ball was either at knee height or either at head height. It was scrappy, wasn't it? We were just bouncing around and everyone was just trying to get on it. And everyone's so nervous and anxious to get on the ball. No one was like, we needed to be calmed down. Like, calm, bring the ball down. Like, start playing it, like just waiting. But it was such a frenetic pace in the middle that no one could really get hold of it.

52:21And when we did, it was just panic stations, really. I think controlling the game is difficult when you don't have the players that, We don't have technical players in midfield. We have runners. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Gray's probably the most technical and he hasn't been playing. I think De Zorbi's been going for experience and players that can manage the game. But there isn't much technical about what we can do in midfield. So controlling a game is going to be difficult. Pressing and running, pushing, creating opportunities and creating errors, we can do that and that's why I think he's he's put Gallagher in a 10 I thought Gallagher did perfectly well yesterday he's put him in a 10 so we can if we don't have the creativity of James Madison or or Kudus or you know players that can change the game on their own then we can create opportunities by pressing as hard as we can you think about Villa the amount of times we turned them over in the first half you don't need James Madison if you're forcing them to lose the ball in their final third.

53:27You're going to create opportunities. But, and that's what we're going to have to do in the next two games. Be interesting. I'd be looking to Madison to not, obviously, we've got eight day, no, is it a week till Chelsea? Maybe using sparingly in that game and starting against Everton. Yeah. That'd do. Alright, Rick, I think that'll do for now, mate. Sound. Um... Up the spurs. Still believe, lads. I hope everyone out there is doing well. Yeah. It's going to be all right. Will it? Yeah. C-O-C-O-C-O Draw a whore when she don't see box Everybody wanna come and run it But they're funny like a dummy in the barbie of your mommy Ha ha Fighting cock and we don't give a shit Everybody knows flat baits a prick We can get a sticky and a mini suck and willy When you're getting grilly yeah you gotta bang the milly Bang bang

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