S15E84 - Relief

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1:32It's the fighting. Cock. It's the fighting.

1:40It's the fighting. Cock. Oh, come on. Don't you know, pump it up. This person's staying up. Don't you know, pump it up. Mate, we are fucking staying up. I'm exhausted. I've got to be honest, boys. I'm like, I've woken up today and I felt like, I feel like half a human being. I just exhausted. Even I'm coming down with something. Yesterday was such a stress. It was such a stressful 90 minutes. 900 minutes. It's taking something out of me. I'm so relieved. I feel like my body's going, okay, you can relax now. And if you're going to relax, we're going to make you ill. It reminds me of Muhammad Ali after the thriller with Manila.

2:28I think that almost killed a pair of them. and I feel like, you know, you're never the same fighter again. I feel like I'm not the same spurs fan again. After having to, you know, me and Carl got the same train back and having to endure lots of them just made me even more exhausted. I just got on this like, I just want to sit down. And then there was a point after my social battery just went to zero. I thought I've got to get out of it. I need to go home. I just had no more socializing left. as needed to be in a dark room and just try and process what the fuck just happened. What happened, Joe?

3:05Fucking did it, didn't we? Fucking did it! Fucking did it, boy! Hey! Did we do it? Yes. Correct answer. Yes, we did it. Did West Ham do it? No. No. They didn't. They didn't do anything. They are the mangled family in the Prius. That is what they are. And me and Tia standing on the bonnet, spitting, and a helicopter in our willies around. That's what's happening there. We fucking did it. And do you know what? Football is about moments. And we're going to get onto the conversation about the club and long-term all that bullshit. But you have to enjoy the moments. And it wasn't the situation we wanted to be in, but it was a fucking lovely day out with the boys.

3:45Some was out. And we got to see Spurs win a home game and for us to fucking stay in the league and avoid disaster stuff because it's been it's been a tough a horrible horrible season for all of us really and we've had to walk around with our kind of heads down a little bit i felt that way anyway heads down a little bit not really wanting to talk about football not really wanting to think about it but now we can enjoy the summer we can enjoy the world cup we can enjoy the summer fucking puff our chests out a bit remember who we are remember who we are fucking tottenham ottsburgh massive massive football club this is gotta start remembering that well this is what De Zerbi is coming and done.

4:23He's made us remember that. I don't know if you've seen the footage afterwards of him and the journalist. There was one journalist who said he didn't believe that De Zerbi could do it. And he called him out afterwards. He went, that man, remember he was negative about me. I just want to hug him now. And there was a moment when De Zerbi was standing in front of the south stand. And all were seeing Owen the Spurs. And he was looking there. And you could see the players were kind of mesmerized by him. and this is a season where there is it's never been as fractured the relationship between the fans and the players and someone somewhere where it's collective where it's organic or it's a collective effort or a combination of all these things of fan groups coming together they decided at some point it was like we can't then this rift needs to be healed we cannot stay up if we hate each other the players seem to hate us they were frustrated frustrated probably the word we were definitely frustrated at them and there was need there needed to be this fixing of it and and it to the credit of the fans and the credit of the players who have genuinely turned it around he's had was it 10 points from 11 no 11 points from his game three wins two draws from seven games in the state we were in they've definitely you know they've definitely you know him coming in has galvanized the team, but he's definitely had a massively positive impact on the players.

5:49But there was a point, and I don't know when it was, it was probably between, it was between the Atletico Madrid game, or maybe the Liverpool game, and Forest, where they met the bus. And there's been lots of conversation about whether or not that was the right thing to do. It doesn't matter, right? The fact is, it was a demonstration to the players that we're all behind you. we cannot you you guys are the only can only people who can do it it's a bit like when a cat brings a mangled bird to you like look look what i've done for you i fucking love you i don't want a mangled bird i don't want a mangled bird the fans are like making them nervous you know just all coming out of our droves you make us more nervous don't do this look what i fucking brought you

6:35cats are a bit like that they just leave this carcass on your lap and go there you go i love you so you're happy now we're all happy yeah i don't know i've got to do something with this man called bird now yeah that's great um and and and and none more so did it did it play out when the players gave everything yesterday it wasn't sterling performance it was a good performance it was okay right it was a mid-table performance but it didn't matter we did what we needed to do deserve you made the right decisions although i was screaming in screaming at him about i saw everyone was about 70 really got about 77 maybe then when the first subs come in and i'm like we're starting to get overrun please bring some players on yeah i felt like it was very late yeah yeah but whatever it is you know he kept a clean sheet and and we won and just the end of this bit where he's just standing if you've seen the footage he's standing in front and actually i think you have because cow you liked it like a little girl um i was in i was in the stand when he did it uh i stayed i stayed there yeah that's on instagram yeah did i i like that one yeah it's funny because i fucking i uh like i said on the last pod i unfollowed the club and i unfollowed every player in spite play back in i've followed the club i'm not following any of the players yet we've still got a bit of work to do i'm still think we should probably sell 10 of them but what was it like in that south stand when you look at the players are watching amazing like i just decided to like afterwards a slight little confession here from 95 minutes i was wiping my eyes i was like this like wiping tears from my eyes from 95 minutes because i was like this is just too much it was just so it was spooky made the point afterwards it was exactly the same as the europa league final the emotion i mean it was exactly the same um you're just waiting for this thing to happen so you can and this again that on that occasion it was about it was about joy and achieving something.

8:35This, the emotion was about relief, but the feeling leading up to it was the same. But yeah, afterwards I decided to just stand there and just watch a few of the songs were playing and all the fans were coming over. Pedro Barro's fucking lining up the crowd. He's a great character. He has a love-hate fans, a love-hate thing with supporters, but I do love him as a player and as a character. But yeah, De Zerbe just stood there and Archie Gray and James Madison as well, just standing there arm-in-arm watching the South Stand 17 ,000 sing I win the Spurs. It was brilliant. I mean, you just see in these moments, these clutch moments of Spurs, what a massive, passionate and incredible football club we are.

9:12And I guess all we ask is, and it takes moments, right? It takes things like this to bring that out. It takes cup finals and it takes, you know, huge jeopardation to bring that out. I loved all the white shirts. I'm not usually a fan of that. I like everyone wearing white. It looked great inside the stadium. and it shows unity, doesn't it? It's not just about turning up and wearing a piece of white cloth, but visually, optically from the players, it shows what you're laughing at. What clothes did you wear yesterday, T? I wore black paint. Just let me open the final.

9:50Is there a request to wear white? I don't think there was, no. But you just thought, what? I hate everything. I hope everything bad in the world happens to you and you only. Is that the kind of energy? There's an element of laziness. I couldn't be bothered to iron my white T-shirt. So I chose to. But yeah, a lot of people were wearing white. It's fucking hot as well. But as I said in the group, the noise when that goal went in, I don't think I've heard that noise in that stadium ever. It felt like the floor was shaking. Just absolute carnage. And it felt a little bit like the fans weren't really getting into it in terms of stinging them back in the clubs.

10:28So when the game was over, hearing that I would have found you a great throwback, because sometimes you're kind of, the way the stadium is kind of laid out in the south stand, sometimes you feel like they're not singing, and then you hear after that they are singing, so it's just like it doesn't carry you across the entire stand. But yeah, I think the injury time, when I said nine years, I was like, for fuck's sake. And then the delayed second half, I thought everyone else was delayed at the same time. Thank God for the internet now, because if this was like 1985, I'd be like, okay, sure this is happening to everyone else.

10:55And you hear that, we're something like five minutes ahead of us. And we're hearing news of their goals going in. I don't think we created another chance after we scored our goal. It was this very, very, very tense game. But I think we did just enough to get over the line. And I think Deserby's, hopefully, you know, Deserby's legacy will be more than just that. But I just think he's just created such a matter of turn. He just says all the right things, even as he joined, you know, all the bollocks around what happened to him at Marseille. and he's handled everything picture perfect so far so fair play to him.

11:31Do you know we have three more points this season than we had last season? I heard that. And West Ham have got like I think they've got the highest amount of points of relegated teams like twice now in the top five. Yes, the only team has been relegated with this number of points is West Ham. I love their muted celebrations at 3-0 Callum Wilson's got a screamer and the reaction was hey because we've got Everton need to fucking score two goals it's weird isn't it because you think like Everton really didn't create anything that would suggest that they were going to score for two goals it was just the idea of so I made this joke the other day about what it's going to feel like at West Ham winning and we get to 85 minutes and it's won all yeah Kinski made that save on 85 minutes I think wait I'm not no joking Kinski has kept us in this league absolutely without question it's got to be the biggest redemption arc ever and there was that story in January wasn't there about us doing a loan swap with West Ham's keeper yeah and Kinski perhaps going out.

12:52People are like, yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe. But Kinski's come in and he's had that game against Atletico Madrid and it was a shocker when we were at our lowest ebb. And yeah, he had a shocker performance, hooked after whatever it was, 17 minutes or something. And then he's just come into the team after Vicario's had to have surgery. He's been brilliant. He's been brilliant. He's a much better fit anyway as a goalkeeper for the team. vicario cannot use the ball even a fraction as good as kinski is so much calmer on the ball left foot right foot use uses both feet so well and the thing the only thing really that i could although i've been saying that vicario is any good at is that he would occasionally put out a blinding save every other factor of him being a goalkeeper he's fucking terrible he's an awful goalkeeper yeah but kinski has made some brilliant saves like unbelievable give the kid a new contract yeah 100 without question the the the header down who is it against he made that header leeds yeah was it calvert-lewin it might have been him or ampidoo one of them um yeah and it was ampidoo i think and he just gets down to his left and at the time i was like that is a world-class save that could have kept in the vision in the same game he made an even better one a reflex That was another player.

14:12I thought it just hit the bar. Same, same. His hand up to the bar. Without him, we'd be down. We would 100 % be down. Are we talking like he... Is it too early to say... It would be a bit unfair on him to downgrade him now to back up goalkeeper again. I think he would probably be looking for some sort of assurances that he's our number one. I know how important ball-playing goalkeepers are to De Zerbi in these systems previously. I just think he has one there. Yeah, absolutely. I don't think you can guarantee anyone being first choice unless you're like some sort of Mbappe elite-level footballer.

14:52So I think we should still... I think it's something we need to address. And Kyle said it himself. It's more... I know we hate the word profile, but he has the right profile for what De Zerbi wants to do. and if you are going to get another goalkeeper, they have to be really, really good with their feet. It just changes everything. I've been critical of Danzo with the ball at his feet and yesterday it did make me nervous with the ball at his feet. But to be fair to him, he was probably one of the better players yesterday in terms of just being brave and putting his head where it needed to be. I just think we need to be, any defenders we're going to buy and I have to be good with the ball at their feet because it just felt like, because even the XG from Everton was so low and that's not because we defend, not just because we defended Latre, just because we had the ball at our feet in the vent, we were drawing their players on, knocking the ball over them and all these things will make a huge difference next season, I feel.

15:47What did you make? Yeah, I agree with you. I've got nothing else to add. I think Kinski's just, he's just in football or in any walk of life, if you do, if you significantly perform, then you should be rewarded. The only reason why Kinski doesn't start as number one next season, there's a massive opportunity to sign a world-class goalkeeper, which is unlikely, given the other work that needs to be done in the squad. Because he deserves to. I just think spending 30 million. Say he spent 30 million on a goalkeeper out of the budget we've got. I just don't think that's... I don't think that's necessary at all.

16:23I imagine in the summer we're going to do transfer window stuff and all of that. But for me, it's creative midfielders and attackers. I'd leave the rest of the team. We've got all the six... We've got a six. We've got plenty of eights. We need to sell a few of them. It's all about the attack. The last thing we need to do is spend money on a goalkeeper when Kinski's been brilliant. Yeah. And again, another player we wouldn't have stayed up without was Paulina. Yes. Yes, fair fucking play to him. I mean, the Wolves game yesterday, obviously. A couple of scissor kicks in there as well, wasn't there?

16:57Was that? A couple of scissor kicks in there in the season. Oh, God, yeah. I don't know if this is right, but I said it this morning like I think he scored like six goals for Spurs this year the five of them must have been like important either match saving goals or winning goals I know who is it we drew one all with Wolves Wolves and he hit this beautiful shot there was that there was there was a Wolves away I think he's called a coach of Bournemouth where he lost obviously yeah so yeah I get people's frustrations of him I understand it did look awkward at times when he was receiving the ball in midfield on the left-hand side of the three.

17:37I can understand why you'd perhaps want someone who was better with the ball at their feet. That might be preferences that people have. And if you want to build going forward, maybe Paulinho won't be a massive part of this team two years from now. But the personality, the drive, the leadership, by example, he's everything you need to survive, clearly. And this is the first evidence of having to watch legitimately a Spurs side that could go down in the final game of the season. It's people like him you need in that dressing room right now, as Deserbi has said. That's a young squad as well. That's a young squad for the young players.

18:18And I think in recent weeks, we've looked to the bench and you think, who are you bringing on? Who are you bringing on? I think next season, having players like that with experience that you can either start or bring on is so important. Like I said, it's such a young squad. We need some experienced guys in there, pros in there that have been there and done it before. He's 100 % been our player of the year. I think he's brilliant. And just at the time, I remember yesterday, Everton, they had like a spell of possession, a little bit of pressure on that. And I think him and Colin Gannigan kind of crowded around the player.

18:53And Pauline has come away with the ball and then just drew a foul. and just bought us 30 seconds. Like, I think he's great. 100 % we should sign him. I know Deserby definitely wants to keep him. Yeah, it just seems like a sensible thing to do. T, what do you think? Yeah, I completely agree. I mean, we've had... I think we kept Tel and Danzo, who were on loan initially. I think this time, man, this is a little bit different. I mean, I think Colin Morani's gone. I don't think we're going to get him, but I think Palina makes the most sense. But as Cal says, we can keep him and get the profile of the player that we want, you know, because I think, I don't know if Palina will play, well, provided we qualify for Europe next season, I don't think he'll be as best as a player 60 games the following season.

19:39So having him in the squad to just fill in, he can play at the back as well. For me, it's a no-brainer with his experience and his eye for goal as well.

19:50What do you think of the kind of noise around Spurs over celebrating that goal, Palina? So I think you've seen this. It's sort of like people are saying they've got second-hand embarrassment because of how mental the Spurs fans are. The players went, rather. And if you've seen the celebration since, by the way, they're amazing. Romero in the middle of it all, funnily enough. I expected it. And if a club of our size was in a relegation fight and we weren't in it, I'd say the same because you say stuff that will hurt people. You're not saying it because you necessarily mean. A lot of the stuff that's said online, people don't really mean if you really dig deep into it.

20:24It's the same. I do it to Arsenal fans all the time. Yeah. Yeah, but it's not coming from just Arsenal fans. It's coming from, you know, I think Gary Neville has been saying stuff as well. And it's not something, it's something that's come to the territory. I mean, you've got the celebration police. I mean, I've been doing it all season because we've had nothing to celebrate. So anyone else who celebrates anything, we're like, fuck you, don't celebrate that. It's nothing. It's nothing. Be better. Enjoy it. Exactly. Just be sad like me. But that's to be expected. And even the scenes after the game, people are coming coming after us for that and I don't care all that matters is I'm just so I'm just so self-absorbed in our season and what's happened I just didn't care I mean even and I'm sorry to bring up again for that even the journey home I just thought I don't care no one else can say anything that can make me feel like I just feel the relief and just the outpouring I just feel good that was able to let that let that all out in the end really in the stadium when the ball went over the line because it looked like from the pitch it looked like it did immediately but in the stadium we can't tell can you what what what point did you go it was it just you watching waiting for the referee cow what was it like and what was the explosion like in the stadium yeah it was it's the opposite end to where me and he were both sat we weren't sat together but we were both in the south and so it's the opposite end so it's hard to kind of see what had happened but it looked like even from the opposite end of the stadium it looked like it had gone in and yeah the south the whole stadium just absolutely erupted personally i didn't move just because vase just fucking scarred me for life so i just kind of just i just stood there and just like okay okay okay let's get through the bar check follow-up would have counted as well so that's it yeah yeah and i've watched it 10 or 12 times now and yeah you're right yeah you gotta fucking enjoy these things right you gotta enjoy it you have to you have to enjoy moments like that and uh yeah even with the celebrate like your celebration police it's like football's about moments man if you can't enjoy off only our third home win of the season and what the fuck can you enjoy like it's crazy but yeah just it did it absolutely erupted in there and you know there was a lot of conjecture yesterday around tottenham fans and um that the times report are basically saying it's all our fault that um that we're in this mess and what what what happened alison ruddy writes for the time she's a liverpool supporter uh that's the good thing about the sunday supplement that used to be on sky sports years and years ago i used to watch that every week i thought it was really good but you found out who they all supported it was really good henry witton sports chelsea sam wallace supports chelsea martin lipton supports tottenham martin samuel supports west ham you know they all support now they try and hide it they were trying to hide it but all the biases are there they're all there and what did she say it's she said basically it was our fault that the reason that Tottenham are in this mess is it's our fault just just beyond stupid you deservedly referenced it Angela Rudd Alison Alison Rudd Alison with a Y yeah but yeah I think even deservedly referenced it what she said yeah she said in essence and then she's doubled downed on it after the game basically how can it be our fault what the fuck are you on about just all the noise that we've traded around the place and what what bit is it the the complaining or uh what is it the the showing up in in our droves to support the team outside what was it all of those things it's just all of it yeah it's all our fault but the thing is earlier in the season we and i think that was the the frustrating thing for a lot of us and i remember we spoke about this on five statements a few times that people were coming to tottenham and beating us in second gear yeah they didn't even have to try you think about that villa game in the fa cup they just turned up to beat us no wonder we were quiet as a fan base we had absolutely no hope and then with with thomas frank who's has a fantastic pr team like no one seems to give him any blame at all yeah and then igor tudor who's even worse than him and the reaction and t said in very early state very early years of the fighting cock that we are a reactive fan base we are we're not an Everton that that kind of just makes noise or whatever we are reactive and we did react to what we were seeing which was shit which was absolute shit and I stopped going I didn't go for six months I went to the West Ham game and then I didn't go again until the Leeds game um but when Dezerbi came in and you saw the players fight for the fucking shirt and play for the shirt and play to win and play with an intensity you saw how as well as what all the fan groups did and all just the supporters as a whole.

25:06It turned up. The idea that it's in any way supporters fault is fucking stupid, to be honest. But yeah, just pleased to have got it done. Yeah. Yeah. Just wanted to stop the... Just wanted to stop the podcast there to thank NordVPN for sponsoring us through this season. To thank every single one of you who have signed up to a NordVPN account. and benefit from their many features because by doing that you continue to support the fighting cock and Nord have been great partners of ours. I just want to remind you of a couple of things you can still get from signing up to NordVPN. You can browse more securely while traveling, you've got fast connection speed so streaming and browsing doesn't slow to a crawl.

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28:21Literally, as of two days ago, I was like, Romero should be sold immediately. If he's going to watch a fucking football match from his boyhood club in Argentina, instead of being there, turns out perhaps it was all along just a plan to come back. Maybe his decision to leave didn't go down too well, but he was always going to come back. And yeah, you just saw the togetherness. You saw how much it meant to them. And like you said, So you mentioned about the sort of criticism you get from fans on social media. It's just what they do. And I can understand that this is going to be upsetting for a lot of fans.

28:58Yeah. The whole footballing world wanted to talk them to go down. They wanted it. They were desperate for it. I don't know where I've spoken about this. Maybe it's just in the WhatsApp group. Or maybe I've spoken about it on Friday. I'm not sure. I went to pick up some shopping the other day. Went to the supermarket. There's a pub called the White Bear. opposite a bunch of lads with their missus all drinking it's a nice sunny day having a good time and i was walking across the road and i heard flab and i thought it'd be my mate glenn if he's mates because he lives in town it wasn't it was people i didn't recognize i didn't know who they were but they may have watched the overlap or something going you're going down tomorrow and i'm like right yeah what would i do here right so i just sort of nod and i just sort of roll my eyes and then just get into get into my uh car and i was like i'm not gonna fucking down yeah who's down now can't

29:55fucker you nicked my joke sorry did I do that again fuck who's down now who's down now there was this guy on the high road yesterday Arsenal JVC shirt walking through walking through the crowd has gone into the barbers, tried to give it beans in there, then walked to this cafe and then he got fucking ran off by a load of Tottenham. He had to get a police escort back to his car. It was brilliant. Great stuff to see. I was going to say, you deserve a clump. You deserved it. In fact, it's like a dickhead. There's footage of, I think it was,

30:33it was a, an Everton fan. Barry's brothers are all arsehole. We know Everton, Barry, the forward. his brothers were they're all Arsenal fans and he's got tickets in the Everton end when Arsenal were playing Everton who's thinking like there must be someone in going this ain't a good idea they've started celebrating and they've got clumped nice nice I heard that yesterday was quite punchy actually I don't think I mean we didn't see a lot of it we heard police sirens and stuff but because there's a few spurs no not spurs and spurs like lots of arsenal because there's a few arsenal fans dotted around tottenham like walking around in their shirts and generally no one's going to give you any any aggro if you just mind you should expect something you should expect something you expect a bit of banter but generally in my experience nothing generally happens but i think yesterday a few times that shit did happen because they were everywhere they were like cockroaches man and um even on our train they were like because we've got to get the train past Frindery Park and Hydeby and Islington.

31:40And I don't know if they had some sort of watch along in Hydeby or Frindery Park. And they all piled on the train and were like, you know, screaming the army and singing their songs. And yeah, I did get a bit of punch. And I said in the WhatsApp group that next season's derby could be one of the roughest in a number of years because obviously their champions are really just angry. And yeah, I expect a few punch-ups. Yeah, if you're wearing an Arsenal shirt in Tottenham on this day, when we could get relegated, you without question deserve to be filled in. That is sometimes actions and consequences.