S15E93 - Leão, Lies & The Lewis Family: Spurs Have Changed

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2:30Good, but it's bad. Yeah. I mean, we had one last week. Why are we having another one now? I know. Don't say global warming. It doesn't exist. Myth. Just a myth, isn't it? It's one big for gay. It's a for gay. if Trump don't believe it I don't believe it but when was the last time you had a mint Cornetto? they are I would say they are up there good yeah good they're good how the fuck is no how the fuck has Jamie O 'Hara turned the word good into a thing good and I hear myself doing it it's like I feel like my sense of humour a lot of the time with my mates we're just like a soundboard at the best of times in terms of just like in between as quotes or yeah all that kind of stuff but i feel like the sports bar has added another level of just like phrases that will just rinse and repeat just as my only sense of humor is is is sports bar on talk sport the best show that they have 100 yeah easily it's become that it was white and jordan or just just say jordan but jordan's jordan's in my bad books at the moment yeah i think he's in all our bad books and he what's his fucking problem he's like Leave his pocket, didn't he, mate?

3:43Yeah. Leave his bloody pocket. He pretends not to be, though. He says I'm not, but... I'm the old man. Now you fucking ain't. Yeah. Oh, look. Levy's texting with crying eyes emoji. He prefers to have pants pulled down with Van Hecker. It's just not true, is it? No. I mean, we discussed this last week, Ben, but yes. No, it's not true. It's not true at all. It's about getting the job done and ensuring your manager and Roberto De Zerbe is comfortable. Yeah, but I don't even... That's not true. as in like, obviously that is true, but like, it's not, I don't believe that happened. Yeah. I don't believe that.

4:19That Levy texting was like, oh yeah, they've had their fucking pants pulled down about that. I just don't, I think it's bollocks. All of it's nonsense, I think. Right. Oh, I see what you mean. I think both like, what was being said isn't true in the sense that, it's like, you're right, it's the perfect deal for us. We had to get it done. But also, I just don't, I just think he's saying that. There's no way that Levy would say that, I don't think. As much as I think there's an element of bitterness and resentment there and what's going on, but I still just don't believe that he would do that. Yeah, Levy would never use emojis in a message.

4:49No, exactly. That's the thing that threw me off. I added the emojis. I don't think there was any emojis. Do you think Daniel Levy, who's worth£600 million, is sending cryonised emojis? I don't think he might do. You know when someone's written something that's either like, like text you something that they've either written on ChatGPT or whatever because you can tell their pronunciation and like phrasing of things is completely different. I had a story recently with one of my mates who his sister got cheated on and they'd been together for quite a long time. And one of the reasons that, like he was desperately trying to get her to get back in contact with him and all that kind of stuff.

5:25And one of the reasons that she basically got over it and was like, this guy's a fucking idiot is because she could tell that he was asking ChatGPT for like advice on what to say back to her. And she was like, his grammar is usually absolutely awful. but now he's sending me like paragraphs and paragraphs perfectly punctuated he didn't realise that she also still had he was like signed into her Google account and she went to her history went on ChatGPT and could see that he was having conversations with ChatGPT to be like what do I say to her what do I say I mean it is a godsend but you don't use it too much I know I think that's what Levy's done there or that's what yeah slapped an emoji in just for a bit of comical relief Radu Jaggerson's gone loan deal with an obligation to buy we're never gonna see a fucking penny are we from that do you know interestingly in the way it's accounted is that that obligation to buy of 21 million euros whatever it is that counts on in our um buffer this window this window yeah in an accountancy prep because it's an obligation to buy the money is coming on based on certain parameters.

6:30As far as I understand, that counts to the sales this summer. So that's another load we can spend. Yeah, more in the war chest. What was it, like 20 mil? 20 mil equals, I don't know, 60 in real terms if you got the cash. And we got the cash, boy. Yeah. We got the cash. Football money ain't real money anyway. What do you think? I've been kind of banging on about the idea that Spurs are changed. Enoch are different. The Lewis kids were just biding their time. It was like succession in the purest form. Whereas some response to that is it was always in it. Enoch were always there. Enoch were always the problem.

7:10Just Daniel Levy was a part of it. What do you make of that? I don't... I think Levy was... I don't think it was ever always about the money with Levy necessarily. I think it's like what we spoke about before about wanting to have so much control and get the best deal all the time and kind of slowing the process down because of that. I think the money has obviously been there in the past, but there's obviously been a sizable increase in the amount that's been injected in the past year that hasn't been injected in the past. So I think both elements of it are true. I still think there's an element of, maybe this is just too cynical, but I think that with what happened with Levy last summer and obviously the younger Lewis family kind of taking over and Vinay coming in, I think there's an element where they're looking to really prove a point to show Tottenham fans that Levy was actually the problem and try and increase their own sort of stocks and PR within how they're fought around the football club.

8:03Also, I think they're panicking because they came so close to the doomsday scenario and they know that they can't afford to ever really do that again. But I don't know. I think they were all the problem in different ways, but I just think now it's a bit of a race to show that they weren't the biggest problem and they're trying to throw Levy under the bus a bit. Not to say that I'm not sticking up for Levy, but I think there's an element of that. I think that Joe Lewis and Daniel Levy ran the football club. Yeah. Now Joe Lewis is not in control. He's an old man who luckily just escaped jail. And very much the Lewis kids are in charge.

8:40They never were in charge. It's like Succession. If everyone hasn't watched Succession, you've been living under a rock, watch it. Ricky hasn't watched it, has he? No, living under a rock, folks. It's nice under this rock. I knew. As soon as I started speaking, I looked at Ricky, I'd see him start to glaze over. Yeah, the eye is glazing over. You could apply what's happened at Spurs to the four seasons of succession. That's what it's like. It's basically what happened with the Gooners as well, wasn't it, with the Cronkies? Yeah. Was it Josh Cronkies, the son, that kind of came in and was like, no, I'm not having this anymore.

9:08I'm just going to sort of change the way we're doing things and look what it's led them to. So you never know. I mean, the spending's there. I mean, the Tonali and Fernandes deals alone show the intent. But to get those three signings in, And like, there was, I know Gabby Ablonglaw isn't the kind of like bastion of sensibility. But he was going, I don't, he goes, oh, well, they're only going there for the money. They're only going there for the money. Salissi's only going there for the money. Robertson's only going there for the money. Tonali could have been playing Champions League football. They're going there for the money.

9:45And I'm like, well, why is this a revelation? Of course, why wouldn't, if someone's paying you more money, we would all go. Why do we have to hold footballers up to a different standard? That fat-headed idiot would have gone anywhere if they would double his salary. If Sky Sports came along to TalkSport and were like, we want to poach Gabriel Bunn, I don't know what simulation we're living in that that would happen, but if they were like, we really want you as the new anchor for Sky Sports News, we're going to build a new show around you, we're going to double your wages what you're on TalkSport, you're telling me that he wouldn't go?

10:15Of course he wouldn't, he should. Exactly. All human beings should look to better their life. It doesn't matter if they're footballers or not. like and like Newcastle fans Ricky had just been like like banging on our we're going to be oh no it's not even there what's the Geordia it doesn't matter we don't have to sell money we don't have to sell Gabby we don't they've spunked the better tune of 200 million pound on Voltamada Visser Alanga Alanga I didn't even add him and the and the new one Ken Ken we'll just sign three players go for it I'm off the top of the again Ken Mumbai it's not that is it it's terrible that's way off no I don't know what it is so I can't no it's not well there's there's no Ben you do it let's all risk our professional careers here what's his name who's a Swiss guy that I've just bought yeah that's what I'm talking about I've just forgot I've completely forgot his name guess his name it's like Manzambi that's it Manzambi so woke couldn't you they bought an Ajax kid Ken Mumbai

11:32close enough Wenzambi or whatever he said Ken Mumbai they bought him for like 60 they're buying there's a kid they've got from Ajax Sean Stewart or something midfielder who's 18 for like 40 and then there's the other one they bought from Hoffenheim like Tor something like that I think they've bought they've they have they've generated a lot of money through sales haven't they ESAC was huge amounts of money like you should be able to do something it's not our fault that you know you're sort of bitter like you know we talked about why every other club hates us it's because of stuff like this like I think we do have a role to play Rick in why everybody hates us like why people attack you on Twitter before this they still hated us this just makes the hate more intense but they always hated us i like the thing i saw the other day was um the villa fans because we don't even think about titan anymore like well well well firstly that may or may not be true you're definitely thinking about us now and the ball ain't been kicked yeah little brummy bastards i think there's going to be new rivalries that are going to be born out of this how many more do we need that'd be a quarter of our fixtures will be like a the tonali derby the fucking PSR derby against Villa the Gaffiag Bundlehor derby it's too much what did you say yeah it's just that all these like clubs just hate us now so everyone's going to be like I mean obviously they'll be trying it but to like their fans to really fucking start goading us and to get one up over us is it's going to be interesting but bring it on mate got Newcastle first home game of the season Saturday 5.30 kickoff let's get them done on the cobbles yeah let's get them done on the cobbles boys it's not enough have that you Geordie bastard yeah bash like sometimes I don't sort of warrant I don't sort of encourage violence some people deserve it don't they happy birthday Sonny was I don't know how old he is 34 yeah I think so yesterday and are you happy are you celebrating I'm having a cornetto you're in a cornetto it's just weird I just because like I was looking on Reddit and someone posted it happy birthday Sunday it got 1.1 thousand likes like he still lives with us like and I was looking at his replays of his goals and whatnot and how he was with the fans.

14:17And I just, I don't usually clamor after the, I don't care if players play for us. I genuinely believe that, to me, Kane's time at Spurs, to me, is like a fart in the wind. It's just, he was here for a bit, scored tons of goals. But he's gone now. You don't think about the fart anymore. Whereas, It's like I've got airproof pants on. And it just stays with me wherever I go. I love him. I love him. Yeah, he is a club legend. I was going to hesitate to say that word, but he is. He is in every sense. My missus and my kids love him as well. Love him so much. and often, sporadic times during the house, you'll just hear, you alright mate?

15:14That clip's so good. Fucking what a clip. What a clip. What a clip. You alright mate? So good. That is wicked. Do you see, in order for, to further piss off the Aston Villa fans, we've signed Cole Ramsey, who is their 18-year-old attacking midfielder. Brother of? Ben? Jacob Jacob Ramsey and there's another one in there there's three I think there's another Ramsey to Josh Gordon oh no I went to school with someone called Josh Gordon Ramsey he's really older brother to the Ramsey that's it they're bringing in to replace Anana just on his own deal bringing in Gordon Ramsey yeah and the Ramseys was there one that was going to there's two I think there's two there's one that played at Newcastle yeah Jacob who's like they signed from Villa they signed from Villa I always rated him he had injury problems so if this kid is anywhere near as good as him we've got a good one there we were linked with him quite a lot weren't we Jacob Ramsey for a while yeah weren't one that Ricky approved of no no no no name's not foreign enough for me unfortunately it's not called Sandra I'm not interested no exactly yeah it is the Q &A podcast boys and gentlemen boys and gentlemen yeah the two groups I like the most yeah something else I do love Reddit we always go to Reddit for our questions they always send in loads they're amazing those lads over there some some couple of crazies on there for sure but um but the top 25 most expensive transfers ever so at number

16:55from 25 to 21 you've got Harry Kane 21 Kolo Morani has cost exactly the same amount of money as Kane did in the same window from Frankfurt to PSG. Wow. Kane went to Bayern Munich. It's also funny the other day that it was like, when did we sell Kane? Was it summer 2023? Yeah. There was someone dug up like a Twitter thread of a Bayern aggregator account. This was back in like the April. So when Kane was still at Spurs being like, who's the guy that was running things at Bayern like the president, I think he used to play for him. Can't remember his name. It was like basically like they were really pushing.

17:30Rummenigger? Something like that. Yeah. they were like they were like really pushing for Mawani well that is his name that is his name

17:48what have you got on your lip there yeah what is that of course has he got like a zip has he got zims or something like that yeah fuck you it's made me laugh too much it's popped out I know I thought it was a full seat you know he's like fuck you fuck you You know, it's mental, these kids. That's what I'm living off this summer, mate. But they said in that thread, it was like, it was like they're really pushing for Mawani. They're not interested in Harry Kane. They don't think he's the right kind of forward for them and all that kind of stuff. It's like, imagine that, that turn of events. Well, we kept Kane and they ended up buying Mawani for 100 mil.

18:22Do you know who was next most expensive? Or same amount of money, but went a year before. The world's biggest soccer tournament has arrived and you can trade the entire tournament on Calci. On CalShe, you can trade every match from the opening stage all the way to the final. On CalShe, you're trading against peers in a live market, meaning there's no house. And as the probability changes, you can buy in and out of your position. For a limited time, download the CalShe app and use code CUP26 to get$10 when you trade 10. K-A-L-S-H-I, CalShe. Trade the beautiful game. 18-plus only restrictions and eligibility requirements apply.

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19:56Download the app today and use code CUP26 to get$50 instantly in lineups when you play your first$5. PrizePix, America's number one sports picks app. Anthony from Ajax to Manchester United. Oh. Crazy. Where is he now? He's at Betis. Did they sign him permanently? Because I know he's on loan there. I think so. I think he's one of the ones that United actually managed to sell in the end unlike Sancho amazing what an average player can do in a farmers league that's what's mad about the United thing right now is that they're going on about like oh they didn't want to overspend on Fernandes and Tonali and if that's their prerogative that's fine but they were saying we want to learn our lessons from the past but it was like yeah but you spunked all that money in the past under Woodward and that on players like Anthony like it's not Fernandes and Tonali are two totally different players that are probably worth overpaying for in this market you want to learn your lessons from the past you still go out and buy good players like don't let it stop you from just because you don't want to buy another Anthony again that's what their logic in all of this is so flawed you're only overspending if they're not good players like it could be there is a risk attached right but you mitigate that risk by the quality of player you're bringing in and the likelihood of that transfer being successful and all transfers are a risk because you can see dead certs actually you know to be washed down the drain like Verón for example it seemed like a dead cert and he came from I think it was Parma to Man United but one of the best the Argentine midfielder one of the best in the world at the time got to United and he was like oh you just can't do it in this league for whatever reason you just can't do it so there is an element of risk attached but you're buying two like Fernandes has been talked about for a year he's talked about when he was Southampton and he stood out at West Am two teams that have been relegated you invest the money and hope that it works out you bought a player who's had, at 21, had 97 Premier League games.

21:51They played every minute available to him. That's about as successful as you can be in two relegated teams, or any team. If you look back at how to win, the book I've mentioned lots and lots of times, but how to win the Premier League, the way they judged successful transfers, whereas whether or not in the next two years after the transfer was completed, did they play 50 % of Premier League games. If they did, that's a successful transfer. That's it. It was as rudimentary as that, yeah. So, by that metric, Beraval's been a successful transfer.

22:32He's my pet hate at the moment. Is it unjustified? Yes. Okay. Yeah. You think so as well, Ben? Why? Why? Why is he your pet hate? I'm just waiting for someone to explain to me show me an example of why there is so much hype around to be fair the first season under Ange the thing is you're always going to hype up young players a little bit more who come into a difficult situation start with Archie Gray sort of similar thing although I still think Gray is better but you're always going to hype up younger players a little bit more that come in and show a lot when it's just an absolute sinking ship around them.

23:16I think with Bergvau, like in that first season under, sorry, his first season when he came in, I remember the like Liverpool Cup semi-final and that kind of stuff. Yeah, there was that game. That's the one I know, yeah. And he did play, he had a good few months before he got injured and obviously missed the final. I don't know, but my problem isn't with him, Ben. My problem is that we allowed ourselves to be in the situation where we have to rely on a player that's a long way from being complete. Yeah, and we're not doing that anymore. No, exactly. And here in, that's where we should be at. Yeah.

23:46we haven't got time. So if you've recognised that, why are you still gunning for... It's not his fault. Yeah, he's getting it. Someone's got it. Someone's got it. What do you want me to do? He's the fool guy. He's the fool guy. Sorry. Ricky, are we not doing a podcast? What am I supposed to do? I've got to talk. Yeah. Someone's got to get it. Yeah, right. That's true. And I'll sit down with his family if he wants. I'll sit down with him and say, look, it's not your boy's fault. It's not his fault. And they're like, what's it got to do with you? Do you feel the same about Archie Gray, though? It's basically the same situation.

24:17Archie, yeah. I mean, no. I'm not saying don't buy both of these players. I'm just don't engineer a situation where we have to rely on them. Yeah. Allow them a situation where they can flourish and grow into the team. Yeah. But at Spurs, because of the position we're in, it's so much easier for talented young players to get lots and lots and lots of game time. Whereas at Man City, and I hate to say it down the road, the wankers, you only get anywhere near that first team if you are genuinely good enough to be there if you're not you have to train you have to develop you have to go out wherever it might be whereas at Spurs given the situation we we find ourselves in we we had to rely on that but Archie Gray and Berevao played so much football for Spurs and at that age where they're both certainly I think Archie Gray's closer to it I just think Lucas is just a way off of where he needs to be to be anywhere near our starting lineup.

25:14He's a lot more raw, isn't he? Than Gray. Yeah. And obviously there's something there because I'm, you know, a chubby, I would say flabby actually, flabby, sort of mid-40s bloke talking into a microphone. So Barcelona might know a little bit more about his potential than me. Maybe. Wow. Well, yeah. No, definitely. But I'm just saying from what our perspective is, in order for Tottenham to behave like a big club, you have to be elite at 18 to get anywhere near our first team. That's why it's interesting what Newcastle are doing now, obviously, with selling all the big players that they have. They've kind of done what we've done over the years and spent a lot of big money on young players and hope that maybe when you're going for a rebuild, you kind of need that.

25:57You need more players that want to be there and hungry and are going to play, but it's still a risk like chucking all those, what was his name, and buy. Chucking him straight in. But I think with Gray, it's like a lot clearer to see why De Zerbi would want to keep him as opposed to Bergvau even though the rumours have been that De Zerbi does want to keep Bergvau now. Yeah. I think Gray is just like if Tonali and Fernandes are going to be your starting midfield pivot next season Yeah. Having the two backup options as Benton, Korn, Gray makes way more sense because Gray is just a much safer pair of hands.

26:25Like he's just a more of a sponge for what the manager wants them to do. Bergvau is a little bit more like you can see it in the way he plays. He's a lot more wide-eyed. He's a lot more 100 miles an hour a lot more raw and I think that brings the best out of him at times but also brings the worst and I think if you're looking to control games a lot better next season and be that more dominant team like we will if you're 2-0 up at home for example and you want to manage the game and rest Tonali Fernandes whatever you've got Benson Court to come on who's an older reliable safer pair of hands and Archie Gray I think is much more likely to get minutes in that kind of situation than what Bergvall would be just to come on and just settle things a little bit and I think that's why he wants to keep he would be more in favour of keeping him as opposed to Bergvall he's probably ahead of him in the pecking order so what do you what do you see for his future Ricky you keep him around yeah oh yeah for sure for sure I definitely would keep him around I I mean what I'd be saying to the lad is like you've got Tonali and Fernandes in front of you who are like at the top of their game and it's from these types of players that how you can learn and adapt and educate yourself and there was this really interesting kind of graph and it was saying how many players have touches on the ball and Bergvold during a game he has multiple far too many for a deserved team so straight away it's kind of like look at Tonali look at Fernandes look how they're controlling it look how they're moving the hips and just looking out straight away to get those angles off and start passing and moving quicker it's it it's on you to kind of to be able to scan to understand your position on the pitch where you should be and already have those options in front of you and not taking the ball, having far too many touches, slowing the pace of the game down, where you're already in a position where you could be pressed and lose the ball.

28:17So it's those things. And you don't look like the timing and the speed and the aggression of the Premier League. It's not a case of, right, Lucas, that's what I want you to do. Right, boss, I go and do it. You're going to have to do it in training. You're going to have to do it coming on in 10 minutes. You're going to have to do it in tight get. You know, you have to learn all of that stuff. So for him to stick around and kind of have a bit of a re-education in how Deserby wants his midfielders to play, you know, it's going to be an extra kind of string to his bow, really, to be able to play in different ways.

28:53So I would like him to stick around and this will be a telling time whether he is able to adjust his game, whether he is kind of open to listening to new ideas and what he and how deserved he wants him to play and maybe change positional where he is. So I do see him having a long-term future at Tottenham, but it's going to be really interesting over the next six months to a year to see how he adapts himself. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I want him to understand that his anger is fucking under-transfered Tommy the thing is I feel for Bergvold because he got he got fucked over big time last season under Frank like big time like he started a lot of the games obviously in that first period but he was playing he's not a number 10 then he was being played out on the left then he was being played out on the right he's I think to the most basic level anybody that watches him understands what his game can be about and understands that He's a box-to-box midfielder.

29:54Like he is a, he's not that one that you want like a Fernandes on the edge of your own box kind of playing the ball through the lines. He's more of that Tonali kind of profile in the sense that energy up and down, good in both boxes, takes risks, but you know, he's just a box-to-box midfielder and he never played there under Frank in that second season that was so key for him to kick on. And then he obviously got injured and all that, but it's going to be an interesting project, I think, for De Zerbe with Bergvau. And I think he, by the fact that he wants to keep him, obviously he sees value in trying to nurture him.

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