S16E06 - Mumma's Little Tramp

0:28This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. It's the fighting Cock It's the fighting It's the fighting Cock Romeo is bleeding But I can't see his blood See I've always been a fighter But without you I give up Do you like a bit of Bon Jovi? Yeah, I like that's alright That's an alright song, isn't it? Yeah. It's harmless. Yeah, it's harmless, harmless fun. Apparently managed by the mob. Is it? Yeah. The, you know, the mob. Cosa Nostra. I don't know what that means. Our Thing. Sicilian expression, Our Thing. Our Thing. That's pretty cool. Yeah. There was a rap group called Cosa Nostra. Yes.

1:21Something like that. Yes. That was... Who was in that? It was... Who was in that? DJ Premier was a part of it, I think. Maybe. Who's doing it? No, there's White Rappers. Shit. Not good podcasting. I'll find out. Sorry. La Coca Nostra, I think. It's quite a good, lovely branding. Anyway, yeah. Your mama's little hooah. Mama's a little tramp. Mama's little hooah. Your mama's a little tramp. Your mama's a little hooah. Those who watch Sopranos might understand. Everyone else is going to be confused. Yeah. Our WhatsApp group is a slew of Sopranos references. I can't remember the scene. Is she fingering?

2:06She's doing him with a dildo. She's doing him with a dildo. Yeah. Mama's a little tramp. Mama's a little hoo-er. And that's her. She's treating him like a little hoo-er. That's what he's into. Yeah. He likes to be degraded. Often powerful men like that. they like to be degraded, apparently. Anyway, it's the Fight and Cock Q &A podcast. Good start. Your mum was a little chair. Your mum was a little... Janice has got something about... I don't know what it is. There's something about her. I watched Sleepers the other day and she was in that. She had a cameo in that. That's not... I don't think that's a film that you should watch.

2:53If someone says, oh, let's watch a film. Oh, Sleepers is good. it's on netflix at the moment right when you watch it and you realize the actual you know the content of what the plot is pretty dark probably not you know not sit down after a nice meal kind of anyway um this is the q a thursday i'm joined today by uh cal how are you doing cal yeah good yeah selling off youngsters willy-nilly do you like that love it yeah no yeah it's you know we can't just keep hoarding players like you know and we've no Europe this season you know we need a smaller we can't have this huge squad and keep all the youngsters around Ashley Phillips looks like a decent prospect but there's no you know if Middlesbrough are the club that you know they're the best club and the best option for him I think that says it all about him that says that really he's not ready to play in the Premier League yet and Middlesbrough is a perfect move for him because he's played in the championship he's done really good in the championship and hopefully he can go there and get promoted and prove himself in the Premier League and we get paid all the money for it.

3:5620 million with add-ons. From Borough? Borough is 7 million up front and then 13 in add-ons. Lancashire? No. Phillips? Just like for Ashley Phillips. I didn't know that. I just saw 7 million and that's the, I didn't stop. I didn't. You was okay with that, right? You was okay with 7. Yeah, absolutely. That's 20. Well, I mean, if he, if he, that makes complete sense, right? Because if Phillips and Lancashire get Borough up and they're making a massive play, Borough, they've got lots of money from the Hackney sale. So it makes sense. I think those are two really good signings for him. I know that Phillips is well regarded as one of the best defenders in the championship last year.

4:40And Lancashire and a really sort of average, below average team in Oxford City, Oxford United, you know, they loved him there. so that makes makes complete sense that both of those will perform and do enough to I would have thought with everything else to get Borough promoted and if that happens they are worth more money almost instantly yeah so I mean that would be a combined 40 because actually it was 10 plus 10 right and there's this new phrase of way people talk about structured deals 10 plus 10 oh it's 10 plus 4 it's like when the fuck did that become a thing anyway um yeah you've suddenly got two players that are worth that because they've promoted a team.

5:20I mean, that is being Lancashire and David Nugent, for example, who wasn't quite good enough for the Premier League. I don't know if that will happen with Lancashire. It wasn't quite good enough for the Premier League, but was good for getting you out of the championship. David Nugent cleaned up, didn't he? Every single time he cleaned up in the championship. So, yeah, makes sense. I'm happy with that. That could be a£40 million income from all of them. Yeah, with Lancashire, there was a romantic, part of me was like you wanted him to be another harry kane and homegrown and topnam and all of that and he could go and be but no one's it also started arsenal as well yeah so there's that there's that um similarity as well and that's the thing right if if if if we'd have kept him around this season and he puts a couple over the bar he suddenly becomes that fucking goona wank shit doesn't so it's best for him to go now he's not it was never gonna work was it it wasn't we're not in a situation where we can develop him anymore i don't think for all the reasons we've discussed on all other things you know right now it's about being in the team that's good enough to qualify for the champion league i'd imagine yeah um and there wouldn't be room for langshir in that and you know maybe from what i've seen thus far maybe he never would have been that um and the comparisons were harry kane would never go away but he's never i mean if he has a career, you know, 10 % as good as Harry Kane's.

6:44He's done well. Amazing, yeah. Yeah, so that's Phillips got out the door and Lancashire and was there another one? I think there was another one. Not a good moment. No, no, fair enough. But we sold... No, it doesn't matter. Yeah, look, it's all profit. All profit. Yeah, lovely. Lovely, lovely profit. Kalisovsky? Yeah? Yeah. See him playing football. amazing whipping balls in yeah I think a lot of us feared the worst for him didn't we a lot of us you know a year out broken patella you know there was those clips of a couple of months ago when he was in Sweden and he was half limping or whatever but he's back in training I think you've got to treat him with kid gloves like 20 minutes here for the reserves 20 minutes there like no rush with him like I don't want to see him near the first team in terms of a Premier League game for a few months at least, like kid gloves with him because, yeah, he's been out for a long time.

7:46Yeah. I mean, I think I've said this on the air before, but it's like seven to eight weeks from this point when he enters full training. I think it was that. It might have been a little bit less. Maybe it was five to six weeks. But that patellar injury that kept him out for, what do you mean, 14 months, it can be that type of injury that he had anywhere between 11 and 14 months. So his actual return date makes sense. And to get him match fit from this point, he said about five, between five and eight weeks. So yeah, come the, after the next international break, which is three weeks long, by the way, he could, he could be back in.

8:26That's insane. It's insane. It's insane. And you know, Ronaldo recovered from his patellar injury and went on to do amazing things. So why can't Kulosevsky? It suddenly gives you an option. If he is available and he is going to be able to play this season, then we do have options on that right-hand side. And the fact that both those players return in Kudus in training as well, that's how right-hand side's sorted, really. When R9 did it, when was that? The late 90s? Medical science has moved on miles in the last 25 years. Back then, they were rubbing crispy pancakes on your knee and sending you back out again.

8:59Now, there's a lot more to it now. They've got actual medicine and stuff. So, yeah. Yeah, I'm really pleased for him. But again, kid gloves with him. I take your time, you know. And it's, we, you know, there's a lot of talk about transfers and the attacking areas. And it's still definitely, definitely a big issue. But having Kudus and Kulicevsky, if we can have them back this season to play a part in the season, it'd be amazing. I think Kudus, by all accounts, is going to be ready for the start of the season. Whereas Kulicevsky, like you say, you just have to take your time. Alistair Goals said this, great to see Dejan Kulicevsky doing ball work as a part of his rehab.

9:36it's worth noting the swede is not yet back in training with the team and will be phased back in slowly when he's ready he's been out for 15 months so his return will be a while off yet as they make sure he's ready which is what you said basically nice all right um it is the q a podcast lovely uh which we we return to the lovely land of reddit and uh our coys so if you want to go now subscribe to the reddit and enjoy lots and lots and lots of it's basically where i go to get all of the decent news so good lads over there um cody gackpo before we get into it how do you feel about that yeah i think i feel like everybody else it feels like i guess with the start of the window you know getting tonali and getting fernandez and for big money and then we look at the attacking areas and it's like you i think spending so much money the way we did earlier in the window perhaps gave us the delusions of grandeur really i think us to spend to spend equivalent amounts on attacking players those players aren't for sale i think and so you are you do end up with savinho and and gacpo uh and vlahovic um like gacpo's a good player like he's a good player they don't want to sell him but it does i don't know it just doesn't feel that sexy but i take him i would take him he's a good player yeah i think uh we're running out of options aren't we really and i think the thing with gap po is what is he i think that's where a lot of people he's a he play can play on the left but he's not particularly he's not rapid he's not a nine liverpool fans will tell you he's not a nine we could do with a 10 but he's not that like what is he he's one of those kind of players yeah i think it depends on i'm i said this last last episode when i was talking to john but it was like just like whatever does i'm interested more less than what my opinion is and how i rate these players and much more on what does erby sees in them that's going to work for this system it's less about individuals obviously players need to be of a sufficient level in order to compete and and and do what deserve he asked him to do but it is quite systematic and they if he sees it then there must be a reason and that means more to me than the opinion of well my own opinion really just blindly follow whatever he says until it doesn't work and then call him a cunt yeah that's it that's that's the cycle of top of you know you think about a year ago um whatever frank wants we beat city away we beat city away whatever he wants if he wants to play whatever this is fucking great and fast forward a year you know he's dead to us yeah that's football man but yeah deserved 11 points from 7 games he or whatever it was he earned the right he kept us in the division he's earned the right to build the club in his image and he's a top coach he's a top coach in his own right even before what he did to keep us in the league he was already a top coach of a good reputation yeah give him give him what he wants so So I'm doing a podcast later.

12:46I came up with this idea, and I don't think it's going to be popular. But are we giving Lange too much stick? Because, and the reason why I say this is, he's not getting any credit for any of these signings. And there's no chance that he isn't a part on across all of these things as a sporting director. I think there's this idea about Joanne Lange, that they've just put him in this room and he's just doing whatever he wants, but as long as he's nowhere near the football. That's just not the case. so it's just interesting that we know about the restrictions that the sporting directors were under Daniel Levy and the kind of work they had to do and the kind of player they had to attract young players, big uptight long career, massive sell on value if you can get them if that's what he's been asked to do less what we think of him then he did a relatively good job didn't he?

13:37bringing him Baraval, Kinski and Archie Gray These are players that are worth a lot more than we bought them. So that was what I just want to get into a little bit and did it with Dan Kirkpatrick. And obviously now we're signing loads of players. Well, we have been signing loads of players for lots of money and he doesn't get any credit. No, he's the problem. I don't know. We're going to go through that. Do you still want him out? I think perhaps if he was to play devil's advocate with him, I guess what you could say is that he was overpromoted and he was overexposed and it's put him in a position that he's just not qualified to do.

14:20So he perhaps has a role as being almost like a chief scout kind of thing that's in charge of all these people that scout players and pluck people out to give options to a director of football or to give options to a coach. but he was he was as the he's been the guy in charge of recruitment put in front of cameras put on you know on Tottenham's YouTube and all of that and he's just not qualified to do that he's not qualified to be the guy he's qualified to work for the guy but you could argue um but he's not he should not be the main technical director director of football of a club of our size not at all he could work for that person but I don't think I think that's perhaps if he was to stick up for him.

15:04And again, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. If he was to make a case for him, I think that's the case you would make is that he was just over promoted. You know, he should have been working for Paratici, not on the same, that sort of thing. Or another director of football. Or another director of football, someone more qualified than him. Yeah. I think because people do what, I mean, people will, one thing you can give them credit for is finding young talent that's capable of playing Premier League football, which is not the easiest thing to do in the world, especially if you're bringing them from the Czech League and from the Swedish League.

15:34You know, that jump is massive. And no doubt it's taken Kinski a while to get in there, but we're all comfortable with him being number one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah. All right. So let's do some questions.

15:50IcyLandscape4151 says, can we have more episodes with different songs ending the pod? The pull me out of this episode lives rent-free in my head. Flav's just singing, pull me out of this on loop. Pull me out of this. I know that even I know that unfortunately me and Cal it's good that you're on this podcast I don't think we can do anything like that actually because um we both both our podcasts have been copyright struck this week and I'm sure at some point if Fred again ever wants to um you know make sure that he's his music isn't being used in an unlicensed fashion the irony here is one of his good friends, Tony, is a big Spurs fan and loves it and listens to the pod and has been listening to it for a long, long time.

16:38He'll be listening to this. And so, I'm going to, I'm just going to ask Tony, if you could ask Fred again, or Fred, to definitely not, you know, put us any, don't put any copyright strikes on us. Yeah. Because that was about helping. That was about getting Spurs fans through a terrible situation. And you know that, Tony. So, have a word with him because I don't want to get struck. But yeah, your one did as well. I think what it is, what song did you get done for? Roll Out by Ludacris. Right. And I got Outrageous by Ludacris. So something's happening in the Ludacris camp that we're not aware of.

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18:22You never use music below the belt, do you? so they must be talking about the jingle now i listen to outrageous and the g the beat does sound very similar i've got to be honest right so the intro of the jingle of the lab the beat sounds like the ludicrous song but that's it and so does yours doesn't it yeah yeah i do you know when you play the below the belt jingle you can hear yeah when there's a similarity i wouldn't say it's not obvious but i thought oh maybe maybe yeah so i asked alex who made those jingles and he got them from a library like a loop library which is copyright free okay so even ludicrous has done that as well for his beats and then it's copyrighted it that's where we're at so i've asked them to check again and when you listen to it's just different songs the same maybe it's a similar loop drum loop but that's it anyway so now the answer to your questions i see is no i don't think i'll ever be doing that again no it's a shame uh extra photo 3822 says does flab ever feel like marco bielsa the innovator who gave birth to a host of younger upstarts now left to become an ever increasingly angry and sad old man all the while they're passing his mom around like a spliff.

19:46That's good. That's good. If someone left a spliff as wet as they left Flav's mum, you'd be fucking fuming. That's good. Very good. Apparently, Flav once drove to 13-year-old Windy's house at 1am. He entered his bedroom whilst he slept, pulled back the covers and beat his chest whilst saying, this boy has the lungs of a podcaster. Nice. It's Biorza and Pochettino, isn't it? nice yeah I don't know what to say to that that is gold though you talk about it all the time about you know all the branches if you like it's like I'm not saying me but the fighting cock yeah for sure like name me a podcast I haven't influenced absolutely yeah absolutely who says that in the rap game it's Nas it's Nas I think it's in IFA I think it's in IFA which is yeah probably the top two greatest disc records ever made ever rap disc records ever made either that's against jay-z yeah yeah yeah um can we get some spurs ones in here boys because this they're all about my mum and me and like i get it's funny but like there are people listening to this podcast that just want to hear spurs chat you'd be fuming if you left the spliff as wet as my mum's my mum and you're fucking fuming that was pretty good.

21:13That was a bar. Yeah. Someone left a spliff as well as they left Flav's mum. You'd be fucking fuming. There's nothing worse than that. And I was getting on rotation receiving a fucking spliff. Yeah. It's nasty.

21:29I'll come back to the more personal ones. I'm trying to find some Spurs stuff. So Publix in Illuminati says it's 2028 Champions League final Tottenham versus Arsenal won all. Spurs are attacking down the right flank in the dying moments. Kulisevsky stops the ball short of the touchline and drops it back to Porro, delivers an inch-perfect ball bending around the back of Arsenal's defence right into the top of the six-yard box. A striker is darting through, unmarked. Which of these past Spurs nines are you pitting in this situation? Soldado, Villez or Jansen? Oh, that's awful. Great question. It's a great question.

22:12I thought it was going to be Richie or Solanke. I thought that's what the question was going to be. What is the answer to that? Richie, all day. Really? I think Richie's better than Solanke. Do you? Yeah, I do. I mean, I was on Jack's podcast, Royal Reboost, and he asked me to, or there was a question being sent in to list six strikers in order of preference. It was Adibajor, it was Llorente, it was Richarlison, Solanke. Jansen and one other, I think it was. And I put Richarlison ahead of Solan. Yeah. I saw that list and yours was, I thought it was perfect. Adi Bayou wasn't it number one. It was right.

22:51Yeah, I think it was perfect the order that you put it in. Yeah. In this instance, I'm only going through who had the great equality during their career and Soldado was once an extremely lethal striker. Yeah. Just rubbish at Tottenham. Yeah. So it's got to be Soldado but with no greater, you know. Yeah, it probably is him. Jansen was just a big lump when he didn't really offer anything really. A couple of penalties. I don't even remember him scoring from open play. Might have scored against Millwall, but I think that was a penalty. Yeah, it's probably Soldado, isn't it? Yeah. I'm not sure I could cope with a Champions League final between Tottenham and Arsenal.

23:36Do you know, I'm actually like quietly looking forward to the North London derby now. I'm full of confidence going into this new season. I know I've been here before and no doubt will be here again. And perhaps it's completely unjustified. And maybe I'm getting carried away by that midfielder Fernandes and Tonali. And I know there's still work to be done, but I just, I listened to Deserby, what he's saying. Like the other day he was talking, someone posted an old interview that he did. You know what I'm going to say, don't you, Kyle? And he's saying, you know, why he plays out from the back, like why it's important.

24:06and he said because playing long becomes a gamble. Yes. You have to win the second ball and it's a gamble. You can't, I'm paraphrasing here, I don't know exactly how he said it, but you can't always anticipate where the ball's going to drop. And winning a second ball can often be about how fortunate that ball drops to you, what angle it's coming, how fast it's coming. There's a challenge. There's no way of telling what way that ball's going to be unless you've got like a Dan Byrne and you can kind of gamble that he's going to be able to head the ball and win that aerial duel. He said it's a gamble if you do that, and he doesn't like betting.

24:42He says he wants to control it from the back where you're in control and you're not having to gamble on what the opponent might do or what might happen to the football. He says, I want the players to receive the ball at their feet rather than the ball at their teeth. I was like, I love this guy. Yeah, man. I loved Posta Coglu as well for much longer than I probably should have and that was a lot about how he spoke but yeah Zerbi he's the one mate similar similar vibes to be fair similar kind of coaches similar philosophies I just think that Zerbi's you know a better coach a little bit more proven in you know top leagues than Ange was at the time when Ange took over he'd only really you know other than Scotland this is his biggest job though isn't it this is like without question in his career this is his biggest job whereas Postacoglu's trajectory to Tottenham was so unconventional like you've never really seen anything like that no like being a good manager at Celtic doesn't get you the Tottenham job typically no no but I actually think those are the best types of coaches for us I think they're coaches that are really well thought of attacking football but they haven't quite done it yet and so they don't think they're too good for us i.e.

25:59like a Conte or a Jose or whatever. Those coaches felt we were a bit beneath them, I think, and didn't want to gut it out a bit in terms of not being the richest club because Jose and Conte, they are their money coaches, aren't they? They buy established players for loads of money. Conte is only good in the season where there's no Europe. Once there's Europe involved, he goes to bits and he quits. Yeah, guys like De Zerbi, Pochettino and Ange to an extent, They are the types of coaches that are best suited, I think, to Spurs. And I think going into the back end of last season, he's got so much credit in the bank now.

26:36And coming from, you know, Tudor and Frank, he's the complete opposite of those two. Yeah, he's a great fit. We spent so much time, you know, watching a Spurs team underperform, especially at home. You've had season ticket holders have seen like, what was it? five wins in two years like insane so the bar is the expectations there and especially because you spent this money we spent this money the expectation is there but the reality is he doesn't have to do much to be much better do you know this is what we're used to we're not used to being good and effective in at home and yeah i just think i'm excited i'm excited are you excited i don't know no i am i am excited i do think we need attackers i think it's a it's a big know that as well.

27:24Yeah, and they're going to do it. I have absolute faith that we're going to buy a couple at least. But I think you're right when you talk about the North London Derby. I said this a couple of times, but absolute basics for a new coach, and especially this season, win at home and win your home derbies. If he does that, everything else is kind of secondary, really, whether we finish fourth or we finish eighth. Win home games so the people that go every two weeks are seeing good football and seeing us win and win the derbies because particularly Arsenal, they've just been taking six points off of us every season at a canter for the last few seasons and it has to stop.

28:00We can't do this anymore. We've got to stop beating that lot. Even if they win the league again or whatever, we have to fucking beat them. Beat them at home. I think you've got a long way. You know, a win against Arsenal at home, you know, we don't have to worry about West Ham. That's a major thing as well, right? Because West Ham, I know, you know, they weren't very good last year, but they beat us all the time. And not having that tie to worry about, that's almost like six, because it's a London derby and they hate us and Chelsea hate us and Arsenal hate us. They up their game against Tottenham.

28:35So that's six points we don't have to contend to or in the way that we would typically have to. That's a big thing. Did you see that clip that went viral with the lad who said he's the biggest team in London? What a loser. I mean, the whole thing, the way he delivered it, he said so the bloke came up to him if you haven't seen it it's on my Twitter I'll get a look he said who's the biggest team in London and the bloke and he went it's Tottenham and the bloke started laughing he goes let me explain he says who's Arsenal's biggest rival Tottenham who do Chelsea want to beat most Tottenham who do West Ham want to beat most Tottenham there you go biggest team in London in their heads we're in your head in your head you're going to get copyrighted now oh shit Do you think my singing's that good, is it?

29:22Banger of a treat, Nick. Yeah. Yeah. So that was just class, wasn't it? That was good. And he just bopped off after, just walked off like... Shook his hand up the Spurs. Yeah, shook his hand, crispy little dap and then just walked off again. Like, love that. Very cool. And he just... And, you know, fucking talk sport can't stop talking to Aston Villa and Newcastle fans about Tottenham. Mate, I've got something. Yeah, go on. I've got something to play you. Just... Because I wouldn't have clicked that. I forgot. Listen to this. No idea what Spurs have done other than being in London to get in the Big Six?

29:50Right, well, PD from Devon has got something for you. He's texting, and this is exactly why Spurs should be in the Big Six. When you're saying, what have they done? This is what he said. Of course, Tottenham are still in the Big Six because it's based on longevity. Spurs have finished in the top six for 18 of the last 22 seasons with 13 consecutive seasons in Europe. Also, back in 1991, they were also part of the Big Five after winning the FA Cup for then record eighth time and breaking the British transfer record sign, Gaza. It's not who finished above who last season. If it was, didn't Brighton finish above Man United two seasons in a row.

30:27It's about being a big club in every decade, which Villa, Forest, Newcastle, et cetera, haven't been. That's PD and Devon. Has he made some good points there? In fact, it's probably the best argument I've heard. Yeah, no tribalism there. He's just put down the facts of what, when you said, what have they done to be in it? he's saying what they've done is be in the top six for 18 out of the last 22 seasons yeah I think you heard me I think it was recording my mic at the same time so you could sort of hear me breathing during that but that's it spot on mate this whole obsession about big six is like I don't care about it but Villa fans especially do seem to care about it yeah because they're on a good run they've finished top four they've been in Champions League a couple of times they've won Europa League fair play to them They're having a run and that's cool, but they don't move the needle like Tottenham.

31:19And let's have it right. The thing about this big six thing, this big six thing exists because Tottenham kept finishing above Man United and they needed a reason to keep Man United in the big six. Because we kept finishing above them. We kept beating them all the time when they were off the post-Ferguson era. And so it wasn't about, back in the day, it was the big four. It was Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. And then Tottenham came along and kept finishing fifth. And like the guy described, keep getting in Europe, keep getting in Europe, getting in the Champions League. Man United lose Fergie.

31:52And we start finishing above Liverpool all the time. There was a period under Pochettino. There was six seasons or something. I think it was before that even. Yeah. We were finishing above Liverpool. We were finishing above Arsenal. We were finishing above Arsenal seven years in a row, was it? Seven, eight years in a row. And we finished above Man United all the time. So it's not actually about Tottenham. it's about the fact that well we've got to keep Man United and we've got to keep the red clubs part of the conversation but Tottenham keep finishing above them so it's a big six now and really it's not a conversation like it used to be before because it's not really about sporting merit even if it is about sporting merit all of the things that that guy in that clip mentioned are relevant you know Brighton finishing above Manchester United twice in a row does not make them a bigger club than Manchester United it just isn't the case and I don't know if you heard But in that, he said, the point is you've got to be a big club in every decade.