In short
The Fighting Cock podcast episode centers on Tottenham Hotspur’s early-season struggles, fan “banter” and suffering, and whether manager Ruben Amorim/De Zerbi (referred to as “De Zerby” in the chat) can turn things around. They also debate striker options, squad spending, and the club’s long-term identity if relegation ever happens.
Guests
Alex (podcast debutant; works with the hosts at Gold Studios; Spurs fan) and Ricky (long-time co-host; Spurs supporter since childhood).
Key claims
Tottenham’s spending (including “nearly £400m” and another “£120m” injection) has raised expectations, yet the team has not scored in the Premier League for four games and has lost heavily, including a 3-1 defeat to Liverpool. Despite results, they argue Spurs created chances vs Liverpool (more shots/passes) and remain optimistic. They criticize the lack of a reliable goal scorer and question Marmoush’s role (wing/10 vs number 9). They discuss Tosin Adarabioyo’s strong debut and Ben Davies’ perceived decline.
Notable examples
Liverpool match chances (Bergwijn/“Bergvot” chance, Kudus chances), Tosin’s debut at Anfield, comparisons to past Spurs strikers (Helder Postiga, Gregor Asiak, Salado), and a Reddit Q&A about past Tottenham strikers and current front line (Solanke, Marmoush, Madison, Savio, Kuliszewski).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOPodcast Hosts and Introduction of New Member
0:26 to 1:40
Hosts welcome each other and introduce new guest Alex, discussing his podcast background.
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Debating the Spurs Experience
1:40 to 2:50
Discussion on the challenges and suffering of being a Tottenham fan.
Expectations vs. Reality for Spurs
2:50 to 4:50
Hosts discuss their expectations for the season after significant spending and the resulting disappointment.
“And they just look at you with these sad eyes.”
Analyzing Recent Matches
4:50 to 6:44
Discussion on recent match performances and the emerging rivalry with Aston Villa.
“This is a new version of Tottenham and it ain't.”
Optimism Despite Losses
6:44 to 8:44
Hosts share mixed feelings about recent performances and discuss potential improvements.
“Against Premier League opposition though.”
Player Performances and Contributions
8:44 to 11:40
Analysis of individual player performances and their impact on the team's results.
“where Liverpool were on top, playing at Anfield, passing the ball about, couldn't get it off them.”
Discussion on New Signings and Future Prospects
11:40 to 14:00
Hosts assess new signings and their integration into the squad, plus future aspirations.
“And I just keep making the point that we're getting into positions where we should be at least testing the goalkeeper.”
Discussions on Player Signings
14:00 to 16:40
The hosts debate the quality and expectations surrounding recent player signings.
“No, I don't think that is all of us, Rick.”
Analyzing Striker Performance
16:40 to 20:10
The hosts reflect on past and current strikers, discussing their impact and potential.
“you shouldn't judge a book by a cover and and so i say that i hate him it's because of the evidence that i've seen that's where the hatred comes i'm sure he's a nice guy but he's a terrorist from that.”
Tactical Insights on Team Lineup
20:39 to 28:06
The hosts share insights on the best formation and player lineup for upcoming matches.
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Spending and Performance Insights
28:06 to 28:45
Discussing the financial investments in players and the impact on team performance.
“So while the amount you spend counts on players that improve your first team, it also includes players aren't good enough for your first team.”
Frustrations with Player Transfers
28:45 to 31:05
Debating the value and effectiveness of recent player transfers, specifically Tonali.
“Well, we're playing a catch-up game, but now it's like we're in a messed up position because we're doing terrible.”
Crisis and Calm Amidst Struggles
31:05 to 31:56
Exploring personal feelings of calm and frustration during the club's struggles.
“How can you say your club's not in crisis?”
Comparing Futures with Other Clubs
31:56 to 33:00
Discussing the potential for Spurs to mirror Leicester's fate and the community implications.
“I don't think we're going to have another season like last season.”
Relegation Fears and Fan Identity
33:00 to 35:04
Talking about the psychological impact and identity struggles of being a Spurs fan amidst relegation fears.
“They could be a bigger club than us in 10 years.”
Celebrating Goals and Emotional Relief
39:21 to 42:00
Reflecting on the emotional responses to scoring and the struggles of the current season.
Ben Davies Critique
42:00 to 43:28
A discussion on Ben Davies’ performance and the annoyance it causes among fans.
“that you could aim your irie at, it's Ben Davies.”
Spence's Departure Impact
43:28 to 44:40
The hosts reflect on the transfer of Spence and its emotional toll.
“And the fact that he came from the World Cup and he proved himself and then we got, what, 30 million for him?”
Sponsorship and Club Identity
44:40 to 46:00
Exploring potential new sponsors for Tottenham and their implications.
“Over strategy says Lanxia is scoring for fun at Middlesbrough.”
Lack of Striker Solutions
46:00 to 47:34
A debate about the consequences of selling key players and striker options.
“Lanxier is scoring for fun at Millsboro.”
Support for Deserby's Leadership
47:34 to 52:48
The hosts discuss their faith in Deserby and concerns about his management style.
“He's been wrong about a lot of things, but he's wrong about David Scarlett for sure.”
Personal Connections to Spurs
52:48 to 56:00
The hosts share their personal stories of becoming Spurs fans and favorite players.
“because I have slightly noticed that maybe it's because I look for it in a different manner.”
Growing Up a Spurs Fan
56:00 to 1:02:08
The hosts share their personal journeys of how they became Tottenham supporters.
“So my dad's a Man United supporter yeah so it's weird but raised up in North London and spent pretty much most of my time on like West Green Road that's where my dad's shop was and Tottenham is only down the road.”
Players and Personal Connections
1:02:08 to 1:03:54
Discussion about personal interactions with Spurs players and the memories they evoke.
“And he played for Hull as well, didn't he?”
Transcript
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1:22It's the fighting. It's the fighting. Cock. It's the fighting. It's the fighting. Cock. I can't, old sir. Hello and welcome back to the Fighting Cock podcast. Ricky, how you doing? All good, mate. We've got a debutant. Debutant. His name's Alex. and he or you're I mean some people might know you you think it's quite a big podcast in it AOTS AOT AOT what's his name for oh apes on tape
2:07Apes wow I was not expecting that at all when you said it I took an intake of breath and that rarely ever happens to me yeah it started off that and then we was like oh we're gonna have to abbreviate it to aot so it's great great podcast um and obviously we've worked together for for a while now alex uh over at gold studios but i wasn't even aware you was doing podcasts and until i seen a couple of clips and and then obviously this one and obviously it brought to my attention because you name check me but that's not the best part of that clip and i'm going to play it now just so people know being a spurs fan is flav said it the best it's a social experiment man can we get a group of people and see how much suffering they could take that's what it feels like and this season is like here's 400 million go improve his squad he's like mudrick that marmoosh guy i said from the start i don't know about him but my word my word are we buns i i didn't even know what to say you know it gets to the point of of your friends bantering you it's like yo chill on that shit now man because i'm low-key ready to end it all
3:36class mate what um that uh the how bad has the bantering been do you know what is it's it's it's like the bantering kind of stops and it becomes like like sympathy like people don't want to go on to you too hard it's like i've always said like You know when you first meet some friends or friends of friends, they'll be like, oh, who do you support? And you go, Tottenham. And they just look at you with these sad eyes. Like you just said that you're firmly ill. And I was just like, yeah, so, I don't know. It's just, yeah, it's just such a bad time. It's such a bad time for us. I found personally it's ramped up significantly this season.
4:19Obviously, because I'm saying stuff and people see it out there and obviously go out of their way, fans from all clubs, out of their way to message me after another defeat just to somehow get some gratification out of making me feel worse than I already do. I never, I never text anybody. I never go after anybody. But they always gun me. But for me now, it's just like, where we are as a club now, it's like we've got us and Villa on the weekend and it's almost like we've got ourselves into like a mini rivalry with them all over like stealing Connor Gallagher that is where we're at now there's that and on top of the fact that we can spend and they can't and they think it's all our fault or something for the whole of the summer for the whole of the summer Uston Villa and Newcastle have just been chirping chirping and then we've just been like with the big bucks but now I don't know yeah there was a lot of gloating i think i i think we made it worse for ourselves i think there's a couple of things we we um we definitely went big and and sort of started big swinging about how much money we can spend and i think that changed the expectation in all of us as well like we feel differently now about or we did feel differently about what we was hoping for this season i think rick i don't know what where you predicted we would finish it but when When we made the final signing of Marmouche and we brought in Savio, my expectation went through the roof.
5:54I said, we're going to start fast. This is a new version of Tottenham and it ain't. It's exactly the fucking same. Yeah, I thought we'd get fifth Champions League. And then after all the spending, finishing 17th twice, nearly getting relegated, the football being abysmal, and it's just one thing after the other. Injuries, Paratici leaving, all these things that just, you're thinking, finally, we dropped near 400 mil on the table for all these players and you're thinking, now, now it's our time. I've got a smile on my face, a little pep in my step, everything's all good. and then we get fucking, not even just lose against Brentford.
6:46It was embarrassing. It was embarrassing. And we haven't won a game yet. Scored a goal though. Scored a goal, not in the Prem, but... Against Premier League opposition though. That's key here.
7:04That's how low we're going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I missed the goal. I missed it. I was my wife was coming back for she'd been working late to the late shift and I had to sort a dinner out because that's the kind of husband I am and and I missed fucking Conigal as a goal and she was sitting in the front room as I was working so we had to do a little swap um yeah I mean despite the fact that everything is um pretty doom and gloom weirdly despite getting beaten 3-1 by Liverpool what I've read and sensed is that people are kind of still trying to and I mean completely in this camp as well. My old man, who is typically, has been quite miserable about Spurs recently, like a lot of people.
7:46He was quite positive about it as well. What did you make of the performance, Rick, overall? Yeah, I mean, I've seen a couple of bits and pieces online where it's like, same old Tottenham, losing up at Anfield, losing 3-1, all of that stuff. But I came away feeling pretty positive. I fought the first half. I was really surprised that when the game started, we took it to them. We had most of the possession. We were, there was the Bergvot chance, which I think he should have done better. I think he should have scored. Yeah. Kudus. Kudus as well. So there's two chances there where it would have, we would have got, I think we would have gone one in up and then it would have gone 2-1 back to us.
8:36So that's really positive. and then in the second half we had chances as well. And, you know, I'm not going to lie that there were patches where Liverpool were on top, playing at Anfield, passing the ball about, couldn't get it off them. We had camped in our own half. But we did manage to get our foot back into the game and we did bring it to them. I think when it was 2-1, there was a sense among the players that we could get the second. I think Mahmouche came close as well. so i'm not downhearted about it at all what i would be really downhearted about is if we played that game and we didn't create anything that's where i feel like when you have a problem if you're not creating anything then where's the goal going to come from but at least if you create something and we're just not able to put it away in the final third your luck will your luck will change something will happen and someone will be on the end of a spanking people people will roll their eyes but we had next g of 2.42 um we had four big chances to their two we had more shots total shots 17 we've had 478 passes to their 368 so while this doesn't tell you anything really about the flow of the game i think it was representative of the performance and it's got three incredible goals that keeper had no shots are you as philosophical alex as ricky and i um maybe a little with me it's just like we're always trying to stay positive like i know we get like getting our little moods where we're like this is fucking shit this is fucking shit but as you said like once it hit 2-1 you it's like just like the journey of being a spurs fan you're like you know what we can do this we can do this and then obviously um sobs like hits the screamer and it's just like, all right, it's time to go home.
10:28We can't do this. We can't actually do this. Before we could, we can't. Nah. But we saw some good things. And as I said, we've never had any luck in that cup anyway. I think our last 10 draws have just been ridiculous. We're always fighting for our lives. And sometimes we turn it around. But yeah, I didn't have any high hopes for the game. but I'm seeing some nice things from Kudos. Mahmoud, I've been critical of him but I saw some nice things but then I'm just like, do I, like I need stuff now. That's what I need. It's like you've come in, you've taken the number nine spot and the whole fuss around Solanke, Richarlison.
11:12It's like we need someone now. Like there's no time to grow into it. You've been in the Prem for how long? Is it two years? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe this is his third season, yeah. Yeah. And it's just like, we need someone now. Like, we just need a goal scorer. That's the point. Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course, the ball needs to go in the net. That's the overriding thing. I've been getting a lot of grief. Well, I mean, the last couple of weeks, grief, because the whole thing is about us not having a goal yet. And I just keep making the point that we're getting into positions where we should be at least testing the goalkeeper.
11:50and it's down to, you know, perhaps Marmouche or Solanke or wherever, our front line to make it happen in those moments and it isn't currently. I liked, and I've been quite critical or dismissive of Beroval in, well, for a while now, but I thought that was his best game probably since the last time we played Liverpool in the League Cup. I thought he was very good in midfield. I thought Sanessi was good. I quite liked Tosin as well. I mean, everybody assumed that Tosin wouldn't be up to scratch. And they were a bit confused about why we sold Danso. And I thought he was fine. I think it was good to see him with the ball at feet and to see what his passing range is like.
12:32And it's clearly more comfortable than Danso would have been. And I think that's the kind of reasoning why we brought him in. What did you make of his performance overall? Is there anything of note, boys? Rick? Yeah, I mean, everything you've just said. but there was kind of, I don't remember if it was paper talk or whatever, but with Tosin, he is known to be a bit of a leader in the changing room and be vocal and show that leadership. And I think he showed it against Liverpool as well. So it's one of those things that if you're trying to change the mentality of a team and get players in, and going up to Anfield and kind of making your debut.
13:15The weather was fucking horrible up there as well. 6 ,000 spurs been up there. Yeah. And so I think he had a great debut. When we were linked with him, when he was at Fulham, I knew he was a decent player. You keep pretending that you watched him play. I don't know why you keep persisting with this. Mate, I never said that. No, I did, actually. I did, didn't I? You said to me, why are you talking about Tosin? You've never watched him play. That was highlights. That's fucking watching him play. Yeah, but you went down. You was talking as if you'd been across his entire career. And then when we really started to dig on how much you had watched him, it was a YouTube video.
13:54Isn't that all? That's all of us, isn't it? No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I don't think that is all of us, Rick. Yeah, it is, mate. You'd made your mind up and you was incorrect. No, you've got this in your head that I thought you were shit. never said that. Lies. I've never known anyone to be as unhappy as you are with bringing players in. Oh, again, lies. This campaign of hate is disgusting. If it's any player from the lower leagues, Alex, Ricky's like, nah, especially if it's English, English lower leagues, no, no chance. Has to be, has to be foreign, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is true.
14:35It's better. Yeah, it is better. If possible. Yeah, decent performance. What did you make of it, Alex? Oh, yeah. With him, I think the... I wouldn't say backlash, but when we did sign him, I think because he got scoped or moulded into that Mudrick deal. We was angry at Mudrick. Tossing, we were just like... Yeah, catching Australia's, wasn't he? Yeah. And it was just like, if Danso, he wasn't happy with playing time. I think it was after the chat one game. Yeah. Coming on and scoring. He did just seem angry that day. And I understand why, because the next day it was off. But bringing him in for a replacement, I don't think it's an upgrade or a downgrade.
15:23I think they can go for each other. I think he's more comfortable on the ball, yes. But I did like Danso. I did hate his fake long throws. I swear to you, I think I can throw longer than Danso. this all stems from Thomas Frank go on I just see it and everyone's always like oh back up back up it never goes past the front post like yeah I don't know where he's got this confidence from that fucking Everton geezer Milenkovic was it him that was doing the throwings like scud missiles into the box yeah the and all this thing about Danso being able to throw long it's all down to that Thomas Frank clip that someone it's like throwing competition wasn't it yeah it's just a still back when frank because obviously there was a lot of attention around um frank's love of set pieces yeah and there was it was almost it was a i think a player had taken a picture of a whiteboard and on the whiteboard inside tottenham's training ground it said throwing competition two o 'clock tomorrow or whatever it is which is pretty i hate that man i fucking i hate him so much and you know you shouldn't hate a man because you shouldn't judge a book by a cover and and so i say that i hate him it's because of the evidence that i've seen that's where the hatred comes i'm sure he's a nice guy but he's a terrorist from that.
16:59I think it came up on my phone, that picture of him holding the Arsenal Cup. And one of our managers, assistant managers, is just looking at him with so much confusion, so much like, what are you doing? That will never leave my memory. I'm sorry. Yeah. It was just a catalogue of errors on the back of terrible football. Do you know, there's a rumour that Richarlison posted a ChatGPT picture of Thomas Frank in Arsenal pyjamas in the Spurs WhatsApp group. I heard that story, man. I think that's true. So it's Thursday and it is the Q &A. And so we've gone to Reddit to ask for questions. And the first one is from DaringToDo.
17:51if you could take any Tottenham striker from the past and start them in the last four games, who do you think is the worst one that could have managed at least one goal? Do you think Vincent Janssen would have gotten one by now? I made a video about this. Helder Postiga. Give me him. Give me him. I don't know if Helder Postiga, I mean, he managed one goal in 22. That was against Liverpool as well, but... Different football. Different football. I feel like he's just got the swag, the aura nowadays. Yeah, I'll chuck him in. Gregor Asiak, would he have done better than Solanke? Oh. Oh, fucking hell.
18:34I don't know about that. He was dog shit, man. He was fucking shit. So shit. I think realistically, I think Saldado does better. God, man, we've had some shit strikers just making them, haven't we? They are all fucking dog turd. What is our best front line? Is it Marmouche off the left or in the 10? Is it Solanke? Because the conversation is that Marmouche isn't a number nine. He's not like an out-and-out number nine. He played there for Frankfurt. He made his name plan in number nine. If you look on the Premier League website, he's a centre forward. People seem to sort of like him in that 10.
19:18I think we've discussed before, Ricky, about I don't see him as a 10. I see him as much of a 10 as Gallagher is a 10 for different reasons. Like Gallagher does something right as a number 10. If you want to play a certain way, if you want to high press, if you want to cause mistakes, fine. But your traditional number 10, you're thinking of, you're thinking of, you know, Madison, Xavi Simmons, players that can pick defenses, David Silva. You know, those, they're generally where the flair and creativity comes from. and I'm not saying you have to be wedded to that but Mahmoud isn't that, is he? He more reminds me of kind of Defoe.
19:53He's an off-the-shoulder striker and in a 4-4-2 he would be deadly. Obviously we don't play that. Very few people play that. So I don't know what our best front line is including wide players. Alex, what do you think are our best? Before the season even kicks off soccer fans are already making predictions. Who wins the league? Who qualifies for Europe? and who's lifting the trophy at season's end. On Calci, America's number one prediction market platform, you're trading against peers in a live market, meaning there's no house. And as the probability changes, you can buy in and out of your position.
20:27For a limited time, download the Calci app and use code CUP26 to get$10 when you trade 10. K-A-L-S-H-I, Calci. Trade the beautiful game. 18 plus only restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Event contract trading involves risk and may not be suitable for all investors. Prices, values, and available markets may differ from those mentioned. For more information, see calshe.com slash regulatory. As scientific discovery changes the landscape, advances in cancer care may offer new hope for your patients. See how Pfizer is helping reshape what's possible at cancer.pfizer.com. For me, it's like we've got to start Solanke.
21:10We've got to find a way to get him goals, feed him. I feel like he doesn't get enough service when he plays, whether that's up to his movement or he's just finding the rhythm. But Marmouche definitely has to go out on the wing. And it's weird because we've got so much attacking options. I think that's another part of our problem. We just don't know what to do and we won't have enough time to stick to, say, a front three and give them four games. I think it's always going to be like we're going to be rotating, rotating, because we've got so many people that want game time. We're going to have Kuliszewski in, say, like a month or so, wanting game time.
21:54And it's like another part of our problem. It's like we don't have our definite starters and our second-roll guys who are going to be coming on for 20 minutes. Everyone wants a piece. It's so hard to just say this is our front three. But for me, I would say to start Solanke, Obviously, we can't say Richarlison because he's been banished. And of course, that's done. What's that? It's Marmucho off the left, Solanke. It's got to be Madison in the 10 and Savio on the left. Right. Yeah, I can't wait for Madison to be back. I've got this thing for him where I'm just like, I just want him to do good.
22:33I think he's come to the club, really taking us in. With the long hair as well. The long hair adds something. like when he turns and there's like a shift in direction and the hair flicks I was like fuck me I'm rigid he looks good yeah sexy the he actually impressed when he came off the bench against Liverpool yeah when's he going to really ready to start then I'm sick I know I know this fucking I know the the medical team has a job and I know we've had an injury crisis right but I've forgotten all about that now because we don't have an injury crisis right now so play all of them I want them on the pitch Manus has got to start against Villa has to oh yeah it's a game written for him yeah yeah I mean we're out of the League Cup now as well so we're going to be playing even less games we could in theory only pay 40 games this season we've got an international break that's like how long is it maybe three weeks or something like that I think it's about four months actually I'm not sure if everybody's ever going to return it's fucking You know, he has to be back.
23:40It's like we're starting the season all over again. It's like you could fit in another World Cup with this international break. It is ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah, you could fit in Olympic Games in this international break. I mean, I absolutely loathe them. I really do. I don't think there should be any. Scrap the Nations League. No international friendlies. So the domestic campaign is not interrupted at all. reduce the length of the season. So if you're saving in effect, how many, there's three international breaks. One of them is three weeks. Second one's two weeks. And there's another two weeks. So that's seven weeks.
24:19Just make the, make, is that right? I think the October one's been counted. Is it? So they say it's only going to be two. Okay, so two. So imagine if that's five weeks in total. You make the season five weeks shorter and then you give that five weeks to the international manager to work for five weeks straight before the tournament? Yeah. Anything for less football, less international football, should I say. If you want to, it shouldn't just be interrupted. I really, really do hate it. I think everyone just dreads it. And it always comes up the worst time when you're just getting into, like, to the Premier League where you're like, oh man, like, I'm really enjoying this or I'm really hating this.
25:05For us, it comes at a good time where we're like we need to stop playing football we need to figure we've got three weeks to figure it out like I hope none of our players get selected yeah it does my it does my head in as well like all our players go off everyone else's players goes off the Gooners their players they go to golf and Arteta's like Saka injury yeah everyone's got injuries and they get to stay at home no one says anything fucking bollocks you always see it this weekend And Xhaka starts limping off. 80th minute. And we're like, here we go again. Rice. It's getting out of control now.
25:46Publix Illuminati says, not really a question, but I saw my first Iveco when on vacation in Florence after the Newcastle match. I suddenly completely understood Flav's urge to run in front of one. Cheers, lads.
26:03longingly an aveco what is that you know truck like man the big the big trucks oh well the big like 18 iveco you'll notice it now if you haven't noticed it's just a brand like bm double but for trucks so you'll you'll see them everywhere now and they're big and they're heavy and they could obliterate a human being very quickly i understand his pain it's our pain isn't it that's why yeah uh mate lads i forgot to say that there's there's been another 120 million pound injected into the football club what's that about it just they just want to give us loads of money what is it all going wrong is it still going wrong yeah it's another 120 million what what else do you need another 100 million what else do you need 10 players in January.
26:54This will fix it. But there is a rule in football, isn't it? Isn't it? It's like, if you want to solve a problem, throw money at it. Yeah. So inevitably it will. I've said this many times. I don't know if I've ever said it on the fighting clock. Exactly. But a friend of the show, Anatole Pang, I often do episodes of the lab with him. And he looked into an important metric when looking at a player acquisition. And that is that most people go look at the net spend of a club and go, right, well, that's how much they've spent this summer. And that shows the level of ambition of the football club. And so if you look at the net spend of Tottenham compared to the net spend of Arsenal or, you know, lots of other clubs, Chelsea, Man City in recent years, it's comparable, right?
27:40So roughly the same amount of money. Yeah. But if you look at the amount of money spent on players that cost more than£50 million, there's a massive disparity between Manchester City, Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool. They have spent about£1.6 billion on players worth£50 million or more over a period between 2015 and 2025. Spurs in that time spent 565. So while the amount you spend counts on players that improve your first team, it also includes players aren't good enough for your first team. So free 20 million pound players doesn't equate to a 60 million pound player in terms of efficacy on the pitch.
28:27So while we have spent a lot and we are being ambitious, we have got to catch up to say Liverpool, we've got to spend another 800 million on quality. That's how far behind we've been in the Daniel Levy administration. To some degree, that's why we're in this situation. Yeah, I agree with that. Well, we're playing a catch-up game, but now it's like we're in a messed up position because we're doing terrible. We've got a lot of money and clubs know that we've got a lot of money. We've spent 90 million on Tonali. Like, like pound for pound, that's one of the worst transfers up there. I don't, not in any world.
29:11After four games, Alex. No, but you tell me, yeah, if he's ever, he's never going to, like, he's never going to perform 90 million worth of talent. Perhaps, perhaps. I mean, he's worth probably 60, 70 million would be fair. Yeah, correct. But for me, I don't think he's, he had one great season. I wouldn't even call it great. He had a decent season at Newcastle. But for me, I don't know if I can say this, but I just always had, like, Italians in the Prem never work. Name me the last good Italian in the Premier League. Immediately you just went to Ravinelli. I went to Zola. Zola. 15 years ago. Zola was one of the greatest, Alex.
29:57But it was a different Premier League. It was a different Premier League. That's what I'm saying. it was so so so long ago so long ago and I don't know what it is about their football but um but like I'm not saying that he's gonna be terrible but for business wise of like 90 million I feel like we could have spent it elsewhere but it's not my money I never look at the club and be like oh like it's coming out of my pocket all I'm doing is fucking buying beers at the stadium CJZ but this is this this is what you're met with though in it when when like how you're spending all that money Like it's, it's not our fault.
30:31We're not, it's not our, we're not, the fans are not going, yeah, spend more money. It's up to the club. Don't attack me if my club's doing that. It's not, I'm not doing it. I'm also not conceding the goals. I'm not the reason why we haven't conceded. It was like, I was doing a show yesterday and it felt like I was being attacked by three other individuals. And about us not scoring a goal and that Spurs are in crisis. Like I'd done it. That's how personal it was getting. It was like, it's my fault that Spurs haven't scored the goals. How can you feel like this? How can you say your club's not in crisis?
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31:08And like I said, the question is, is that generally I feel quite calm about Spurs. I feel calm at the moment. I know in our conversations, Alex, I can sense a little bit more of a disdain for what's going on than I have. But I do, you know, like when you're driving along and you go over a hump in the road and you go, ooh. Yeah. I do have that every now and then, like a pang of fear that this is never going to get better.
31:36Sorry, go on. I'll just say, I think I can intellectualize the situation to a point where fear isn't what grips me. Subtle optimism that things will change. But what was you going to say? For me, it's more like, I think I'm just angry of the season. I don't think we're going to have another season like last season. But at the same time, I remember last season, I said that exact same thing. I was like, we're not getting relegated. And then a couple of games in, we're struggling to win. And it might be PTSD. It might be that where I'm at. Yeah, you've had two years. Two years apart from the Europa League win.
32:23yeah it's two years we've all been affected by this I was looking I was watching I watched a clip on Instagram about a Leicester fan talking about they can't believe they're in this situation and like would they swap winning the league for being in league one they could go down to league two like they've started I hope so fuck Leicester do you know what I mean but I do look at it like they won the league if it can happen to them surely not imagine us just slowly becoming that club, becoming like Haringey FC. You go to the stadium, there's 200 people. Yeah. They could be a bigger club than us in 10 years.
33:05You know. I also spoke to a West Ham fan yesterday. He was producing something I was on and he's like, I've never been happier. Honestly, I've never been happier. This is the happiest I've been following West Ham for ages. And he went, would you rather be West Ham or Tottenham right now? To me. And like, if you took away, you know, the obvious answer, which you can't leave your football club. And he goes, it's the best. We're just scoring goals. There's no VAR. I am loving football. And then, because after you deal with the disappointment of getting relegated, I'm not sure what I'm doing here, by the way.
33:43I don't know why I'm talking in this way. But once you deal with the prospect of getting relegated, that's done then. And then you're just winning football matches on top of the league. is it is it done though a team like tottenham gets relegated it's like having cancer for the rest of your life it like you were never ever gonna live that down it would be fucking horrendous west ham have been relegated i don't know how many times right yeah they're used to it and but for us to get relegated it would be catastrophic and it doesn't matter if we won the championship by 100 plus points we never lost all that shit it would be you know we would be five years down the road back back in the premier league and we'd still be getting coated off for being relegated having all that money and stuff there is there is not a chance i would swap my place with west ham and that guy he can tell you all he wants about oh free scoring we're winning games and all that lot, he'd rather be back in the Premier League.
34:48It's one of those ones, though. It's like I sort of was thinking about it last season. Like, championship, it's not that bad. Get out the noise. Just enjoy the football. Go down to the games and just really be with the community. But then, as you said, it is a stink you can't rub off. Yeah. It will last for 15, 20 years. even if we went on to win the Premier League and done great things, it's like you will be that side that got relegated. It's, I don't know. Would you have done, like, would you take, would you take Leicester's success if Spurs were in that position now? They won the league, they won the FA Cup, but now they're in League 2, League 1.
35:32They're like 16th. No, not a chance. Sorry, I can't be, I can support a championship side. League 1. It's like, who are we even arguing with? Where do I find the fan base? Like, isn't that like Peterborough? Because you disappear in the eyes of all of the people that would consider you rivals. You don't exist anymore. If Spurs went down to League One, we wouldn't exist in the minds of many, many people around the world. I think our big rivalry will be Stevenage, wouldn't it? Fucking smash them up.
36:13one of my mates is a is a massive leicester fan and he's in the we're all in the like the lads group chat and i think leicester the other day they lost at home to oxford yeah oxford gone absolute shooing and i'm there crying emojis laughing and stuff like that oh mate just imagine being league one getting turned over by oxford at home and he just sends a picture of them winning in the Premier League it's like conversations over nah I don't I don't think so I don't think that's embarrassing I think he's he's coping isn't he yeah oh yeah of course yeah of course but I it's a nice thing to cope with yeah it's not bad yeah I mean it's not the end of the world is it no no he's coming up to it when was it was it 10 years ago 10 years yeah 10 years ago this year yeah it's kind of fading away now yeah good it's kind of like memory like it didn't really happen yeah Huddersfield also won the league once.
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39:28brilliant striking says how you're going to celebrate when we score a goal it's it's getting to a point now where it's not even about an explosion of emotion it's just kind of relief it's like when we beat everton in the final game of the season last year i was happy but it was more an untapped relief i didn't know someone could it's like finding your you've lost your passport and you're flying the next day and you're finding it is that kind of feeling it weren't like you're not running around celebrating it's uh yeah so it's i don't know the goal against liverpool as well it was like everyone's like oh you're happy now you scored you got to celebrate and i was like it's a fucking corner though it's like this open free flown football of deserve it obviously a welcome the goal but it would be it would have been nice to kind of Ricky open play goal how dare you what come on man you've got to score the goal all season yeah I know I know but I just want to well no that's not good enough that goal's not good enough no I'm not saying it wasn't good enough but I didn't you know I wasn't bouncing around off the walls cheering do you think they know what we're going through do you think they have any fucking idea what we're going through in a moment the Spurs put all the players and they go out there and they're playing and they're clapping and everyone's fucking celebrating and getting behind them and stuff do they know what's happening to us on the streets how violated we've been we've been bent over and having our ass slapped by everybody
40:56try harder I've been saying I don't think I'm a Spurs fan anymore I'm like a Spurs survivor and it's like I'm like I'm at that point where I should have stopped watching football after the Europa League it should have just been my time to bow out but no I stayed I thought we could get more I got greedy and that's the problem I got greedy I should have just bowed out and just at the top I got my I got my Europa League that's what I should have said but now I'm here I can I don't know man someone's got a faith in it and it's Benjamin Benjamin Davis honestly Ben Davis he's the one he's the one Benjamin I call him Benjamin basic Benjamin yeah I've been wanting him out my club for numerous of you.
41:49You can't have a go. The problem ain't, I understand. And you would, there's another Alex on this podcast and he's had a long running beef with Ben, one-sided beef with Ben Davies for a long, long time. But out of everybody that you could aim your irie at, it's Ben Davies. Do you know what it is? It's like, almost like, you know when you're in a group of people and someone's cussing you and someone else laughs? And that's him. That's Ben Davies. It's like, don't you laugh. Don't you laugh with me actually being quiet. he thinks he can get away with terrible performance well not terrible just mediocre performances I'm on to him and he's been in the club 10 years and you're on to him it's like when they made him one of the club captains I was like oh here we go and I'm slowly seeing it like Andrew Robertson it's just like he's kind of just forming into another Ben Davis it's just like he's been here two minutes this isn't good for your health mate no no no I know I've got a problem with him yeah because he comes on or he starts whatever and everyone's like he's crossing so good I don't think he looks up when he crosses it I think he just says fuck it Solanke where are you bit of whippage he's just spamming that button I'm just like do something like productive my word that guy he has been annoying me I thought he's been okay, Ricky.
43:15Yeah, I quite like him. Yeah, well, I think I'm just hurt of Spence. Like, I really just, like, I've been rooting for Spence for a long time. Even when he got banished from the squad, I was rooting for him. I was like, do you know what? This kid is amazing. And the fact that he came from the World Cup and he proved himself and then we got, what, 30 million for him? About 25 million? And that really hurt me. That was a personal... Has he played at all? I haven't checked up on him. and the fact that we lost his sister as well at the ground as well just really sometimes just having pretty women around there you just need that he has not played a game for Inter Milan this season no not even on the bench oh he must be still recovering how long does he fucking need?
44:09World Cup ended about four months ago am I making it up or did he have like a few niggles during the World Cup I don't know I think he played most I mean I don't know I know I know when he was when the Italian he kicked off and he was on the I don't know if he was on the bench but or he wasn't he just wasn't in the squad it was because he was at the World Cup still recovering but I thought he would have had a game by now at least a lot of substitute appearance let's not let's end this conversation about jess benz who gives a shit doesn't play for us anymore uh pitfall bench 2908 he says as aia's front of shirt sponsor is coming to an end soon who would be the most fitting sponsor for us going forward i'm thinking of echo or an man yeah that'd be uh wouldn't be a bad bad idea uh i i think um i always like durex good logo good logo great logo fits HP's been rumoured Hewlett Packard long standing again is it important to you do you want more money or a blue logo blue logo so not money over money some of our kits over the last 10 years have been incredible with a blue logo but at fucking red yeah I do agree with that Brazzers.
45:40Yeah.
45:46We're getting fucked.
45:51Over strategy says Lanxia is scoring for fun at Middlesbrough. Was it a mistake to sell him given Richie isn't going to play and Slanky's made of biscuits? Oh, man. I'm quite bored. What was that? What play did you say? Did you say over strategy? What? What? Are you having a stroke? I think I am. Read that again. What did you say? Lanxier is scoring for fun at Millsboro. Was it a mistake to sell him over Richie because he isn't going to play and Slanky is made of biscuits? What did you do? I heard over strategy. Maybe I did say that. I think I am having a stroke. Jesus Christ. Smell taste. Jesus Christ.
46:35All right. It might have been me. I don't know. Anyway, I'm getting real bored of the Lancashire talk. I know you are. I've had a go at you already. Yeah, I know. Ricky. I can't remember why. I think it might have been on a preview. And people are going, well, we should, Lancashire's got five goals for Borough, isn't he? And you're like, yeah, but he's playing in the championship. Yeah. Right? And he's also playing for one of the most attacking best teams in the championship. Like, Langshear might go on to have a great career. He's not solving the problem that we have. I had this conversation with my dad.
47:15We were watching Gillette Soccer Sport or Soccer Saturday, and he scored. And my dad was just like, why did we sell him? I was like, we're not doing that, are we? Just like, he scored, what, I don't know how many goals it is. Is it two, three goals, whatever? For Spurs, yeah. But then it's just like, why would we want that? we should always uphold some standard here no matter how shit we are we need to have some just standards and I think someone dropped a clip of him and training and I was just like this is not my striker this is not who I want to be my number 9 people be going oh yeah but he looks like Kane, he doesn't look anything like Kane he's just white he's just white he's a white bloke who kind of takes up positions in the box I think when we're looking for you know when we're not scoring haven't scored in four you're trying to find why and what what kind of would have made it better yeah and then if you are say if you're going down that road and then we start playing Mamouche and Solanke who do we bring off the bench to replace either of them to freshen things up we've got no one as an out and out striker so then people will naturally go should have kept blank shit he's scoring goals he's doing well what happened to our young boy um is it Dane Dane Scarlett yeah is he loaned out well you just thought we had a bloke called Dane who plays is he still around nah he's gone he's gone to oh he's gone to lower divisions he was shit as well they're all fucking shit he's the next big thing yeah he was wrong Leave us wrong.
49:02He's been wrong about a lot of things, but he's wrong about David Scarlett for sure. Tactical Laziness says, are we witnessing the exact same trap Chelsea fell into with Graham Potter? Hiring a coach whose intricate build-up patterns look brilliant at mid-table clubs with low pressure, but crumble when facing low blocks and large expectations. And two, having finished 17th in consecutive campaigns and now sitting near the bottom with zero goals and an early cup exit to Liverpool, shouldn't the entire conversation right now be about whether Spurs are in an active relegation battle again this year or do we wait for change instead if the latter how long is too long for the record i like the zerby and i think he should have the season unless we're bottom of the league but i think the window we've had and the fact that players aren't unknown uh has increased expectations not only amongst fans but even more so amongst other fans and the media and someone said you didn't watch the liverpool game did you
50:02that's a lot there alright let me ask you a simplified question do you have complete faith in Deserby being able to turn this around and build a successful whatever that might look like build a club where you feel content because you haven't felt content for a long time right so do you have faith in Deserby? Rick go on you go first yeah of course I do I think wherever he's been, he has played decent football. The only concerns that I have of the Serby isn't about his football. It's whether when he's two, three seasons in, he becomes unhappy with something, throws his toys out the pram or just leaves, upsets a player, upsets a chairman, whatever.
50:51That would be my only concern. But as a team and how we play football, how we create chances, how we move the ball up the pitch. No, I don't. And then to your other point of if teams are sitting in and playing a low block, we've got players like Kudis Savio who can take on their fullback, who can get round the back. We've got Madison as well, who can sit there and pull strings and look for playing cute balls down the channels and things like that. So I don't really, no, I don't have any concerns at the moment. And I get it that at the moment I'm saying this and we haven't scored in the Premier League in four games, but I'm seeing positive signs that we will get there once it clicks.
51:43Good. Let's end on this question. Sorry, Alex, I was waiting for your answer as well. Do you have faith in De Zerby? Yeah, my one, yeah, I have faith in him, But then I'm always a bit, what's the word, cautious with how much power we have given him. And it seems like he's almost like running the club. He's making a lot of final decisions where it should be. I think it should be somewhere else. Like when you're running a business, he shouldn't have all that power. But I'm a bit cautious as well, the way he's treated Richarlison. and I know it's not fully his fault. I know he wanted him to stay.
52:25But stuff like that, I just don't want us to become like a media frenzy where there's something always going on. I mean, what he'd done with Tell on the pitch just seems like very performative. And I see that becoming very toxic if we don't get the results and players stop playing for him. That's my only worry I have with this squad. Yeah, I would actually agree with that part because I have slightly noticed that maybe it's because I look for it in a different manner. Like with Ange, it was always like, blame me if we lose. Everything's on me. He would never, not that I can recall, call out individual players.
53:07Whereas De Zerbe has name-checked tell. And for the goal against Liverpool, he said maybe Archie could have got closer to Gakpo or something like that. And then he said there was another player that he name-checked, like against Brentford, and he said, oh, Richarlison played in that and we lost 3-0, didn't score. Maybe you don't remember that. It's those bits where he's name-checking players with faults and what went wrong and stuff where I was a bit like, half of it I'm like, you should be protecting your players, let all the negativity go on to you. You've got the broad shoulders. You're the head of the club.
53:49let them get on with it and you take on all the kind of negativity and the narratives around that. But the second point, I'm also like, maybe players do need to hear that so that they're like, oh, he thinks like that of me. I'll fucking show him that kind of attitude where they're playing within themselves, where they're not being as brave or courageous on the pitch where they should be, where they should be looking for passes. and maybe that might ignite a fire under them. So I'm a bit kind of like, I get exactly where you're coming from with that. Do you not think I give your mum pointers when she's not doing things right?
54:30No, she'd be giving you pointers. I'll give her pointers.
54:39I'm new to this friendship, so I'm just trying to figure out how the dynamic works and what's acceptable. I'll figure it out. I can't say that. I'm just like, it's always nice to see how people's friendships are, man. Rick and I have known each other since 2003. So nothing's off limits. Even if you just met each other, sometimes it just flows. It clicks a little sometimes. Final question here. And I'm interested to hear from you, Alex, because obviously I know my story and I know Ricky's story, but this is from Weekend Whip. He says, Hi Flav, Ricky and the gang. Listener for two years. I'm curious to see how you started following Spurs.
55:17Was it in your family or did you grow up around Tottenham? Who were your favourite players? So my dad was Spurs. All my brothers were Spurs. Part of my family lived in Tottenham for a long, long time. And that was it, yeah. Rick, your dad was Spurs? Your Spurs? Dad, uncle, cousins, everyone on my dad's side, basically, all Tottenham. Yeah, Paul Walsh was my favourite player growing up. where it was yours week? I think it was FA Cup my kind of youngest earliest memory is I'd probably say Gary Lineker Gary Lineker's favourite back growing up Alex how did you get into it mate? So my dad's a Man United supporter yeah so it's weird but raised up in North London and spent pretty much most of my time on like West Green Road that's where my dad's shop was and Tottenham is only down the road.
56:15And I think he just like fell in love with Tottenham and made us support. And I think the other side of the family supports Arsenal. And he's a very, I'm going to do my own thing and support. Contrarian. Yeah. And I think that's how it started with me. Just remember being young. I say my favourite player, Tom Huddleston. Really? I adored that man. Love the technique. Love the technique. I said it before. I think he has a better passing technique than Paul Scalves. I don't think I ever saw him misplace a long ball. Mate, it was magic. It was magic with the ball at his feet. It was just slow as shit.
56:59Yeah, he just couldn't move. There's one clip. I always watch it. And it was against Reading when a throwing comes and he body feints about six different people. And I just look at him. I was like, a big boy like you shouldn't be moving like that. Yeah. Mate, he was mustered. He was absolutely mustered. There was a couple of goals. He scored a... The technique at which he hit the ball against Arsenal, it was a load-driven shot. I think Van der Vaart sort of jumped over it as it went in, I think, if I'm remembering rightly. But one of the greatest bit of techers I've ever seen on a football pitch, I think...
57:36We might have been together watching it, Rick, was against Manchester City away and hit it on the half volley, the true half volley. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Half volley as it just bounces? It just, just bounces. Yeah, yeah. Like that's a half volley, nothing else. I don't know what people think a half volley is. It has to just be coming, I hit the ground and like a centimetre on the up and that's a half volley. And yeah, it was a great, a great strike. But if you're getting hit on the counter attack, like they would have scored and Tom Hudson would still be turning around.
58:11That's how it's like. I saw him once when I was younger, like, I must've been like 15, 14. I was in Odeon cinema in Lee Valley and I looked at him, I saw him and I was like, you're not fat. And then he is like, you know, you know the ones where like people were saying that he was fat and you see him on TV, he looks kind of big. and he is built like an NFL player, and that's his own problem, and he couldn't get rid of it. He can't get rid of his shoulders, and I was just like, all my time growing up, I thought he was just like a chubby guy. I thought the chubby guys could make it. I had a lot of inspiration.
58:53I was like, I could do this. I don't need to lose weight.
58:59I saw him, and he was like, he's ripped, and I was just like, damn. No. So, you know, you saw him.
59:11Thelonious, who's on the podcast as well, he posted a picture of me. I reckon, what do you reckon, Rick? It would have been about, we had Vertonghen, so it must have been about 2012 or thereabouts. Who else was in the picture? Was it Stambouli? Yeah, Benjamin Stambouli. If you're listening to this and never heard the words Benjamin and Stambouli together it's not a problem because uh I think he played like 17 games for us and he was shit yeah but it would have been it wasn't about 2012 2013 and there's a picture of me with Vertonghen and Stambouli as they were eating and I would never generally approach any player or any anyone but I was about three pills deep at that time I was well into my drugs back then and i was like full of confidence and uh went up and we had a chat and um i think we had a chat and anyway i've got a picture of him and then i walk away from them and you know i spy just to my right on the if anyone's been to gilgamesh in camden i don't even know if it's still there now you go upstairs in a restaurant area is there's an escalator that goes up oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah this was this was so long ago and i haven't been back there since but gilgamesh was a big thing back then like footballers would go there and eat dinner and that and we were going for a drink um and so i just met them and to my right was she with us that night rick yeah uh to my right was was nasia chadley and his agent or his brother so i went over to them obviously and i was slightly speaking to them and they offered me to they could sit at the table i could sit down and they gave me a cocktail and then it was like you quickly realize that as much as you idolize these guys you've got nothing to talk about yeah yeah what are you gonna talk what are you gonna talk about i can't tell them that i'm rushing off my tits on mda i can't tell that and what are they going to tell me um what were you doing in gilgamesh i don't know i was three pills walking in places seeing if it was any good i'm sorry i've got something to answer um you say how i became supporting spurs i forgot um my cousin used to play for the first team Who?
1:01:35I don't know if you know him, but Alton Falwell. Yeah, of course. Oh, fuck. Yeah, of course. That's your cousin. Yeah, so he would always offer my dad tickets as well. And I think that's how my dad became like a Spurs supporter. He calls him a Spurs... What's the word, man? Simplifier. Yeah, Spurs Simplifier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm trying to say. And yeah, but that's how... He's still good friends with Ledley King. him and Lely still go out on the piss Lely's a yeah that's my way into Spurs fair play shit that's quality yeah that was a tricky yeah that was a tricky period for Tottenham as well that that era that was like that was like Jamie Redknapp it was like Gus Poirier it was it was Les Ferdinand oh yeah that I think it was that era anyway I think that might be like 2002 that's it might be the way I was just starting to watch football but I didn't know what was going on you know I just knew I was a Tottenham fan and then you get to like 8 or 9 and that's when you start realising things that oh well shit I was just about to say that oh fuck this is a team I support so that would that would have been Alex that would have been I've just looked it up 2000 he played 16 games for Spurs in 2000-2001 okay yeah that version of Tottenham might be the worst not the i don't mean that olsen was it was a was a a part of this although he did play 16 games so he was a part of it it was so bad it was so gary doherty we had gary doherty christian ziga we had musa saib i want to say oh my god stephan evenson teddy sharon the old the old teddy sharon yeah it's a bad squad it is a bad squad yeah he came in from the academy and he done his knee and then he got shipped off to Leighton Orient.
1:03:34That's right. And he played for Hull as well, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Good. Well, at least we know now, Alex. Yeah. Right. Nice one. Thank you, boys. Alex, you did a great debut. You're a legend, mate. It's the fight. Cheers. Thanks for having me. Nah, mate. We'll do it again. We'll do it again. All right. It's the fight. It's the fight Cough It's the fight It's the fight Cock A child It's the fight It's the fight Cough It's the fight It's fine. Cock Trymo Chuckman!
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