In short
Tottenham’s pursuit of West Ham winger/forward Mohammed Kudus, including fit for Thomas Frank’s system, price/timing, West Ham fan reaction, and Spurs’ broader recruitment needs (DM, squad depth). The episode also briefly covers Tottenham’s signing of Kota Takai and what it signals.
Guest backgrounds
Ben Bowman is a football analyst/content creator (YouTube and TikTok) who discusses Spurs transfers and tactical fit.
Key claims
Kudus is a versatile, dribble-heavy attacker who can play inside/right/left, even deeper (8) and as a 10 in Frank’s fluid formations. He’s expected to add one-on-one explosiveness and “chaos,” complementing Kulusevski/Son/Tell/Johnson. Stats cited: second for successful Premier League take-ons (92), only Doku higher; tied with Doku for dribble completions; hard to knock off the ball; strong carries into the box and shot/progressive-carry numbers. West Ham fans are frustrated due to Kudus’ drop-off last season and selling to Spurs.
Notable examples
Newcastle matches where Kudus drove through teams; comparisons to Kulusevski’s half-space role; Takai as a potential back-three/ball-playing option with aerial strength but limited pace.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroducing the Episode
1:34 to 2:14
Discussion on the episode's focus: Mohamed Kudus and Tottenham's strategy.
“In this episode of The Lab, Ben Bowman joins us to break down Tottenham's pursuit of Mohamed Kudus.”
Tottenham's Transfer Activity Overview
2:14 to 4:00
Exploring Tottenham's recent signings and transfer window activity.
“You're being clipped up on TikTok by massive creators like Tom Garrett.”
Mohamed Kudus' Potential Move to Tottenham
4:00 to 8:14
In-depth analysis of Mohamed Kudus' skills and why he fits Tottenham's needs.
“We've just, if I'm correct, this morning announced the signing of...”
Kudus' Versatility and Impact
8:14 to 11:55
Discussion of Kudus' versatility and how he can enhance Tottenham's squad.
“The reason why we're talking about this is because you have a gut feeling for years and years of living through these transfer windows, what's bullshit and what isn't.”
Kudus' Profile and Team Fit
11:55 to 14:00
Exploring the strengths of Kudus and his fit within Tottenham's playing style.
“like final action players that want to run into space.”
Kudus' Versatility and Role in Spurs
14:00 to 16:10
Explore how Kudus' versatility can be utilized by Tottenham in various game situations.
“in that one-on-one situation on the right-hand side.”
Kudus' Versatility and Role in Spurs
16:27 to 16:40
Explore how Kudus' versatility can be utilized by Tottenham in various game situations.
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Kudus' Versatility and Role in Spurs
16:43 to 17:35
Explore how Kudus' versatility can be utilized by Tottenham in various game situations.
“So you were scrolling on Marketplace, and there it was.”
Kudus' Performance Stats and Comparisons
17:35 to 22:26
Analysis of Kudus' performance metrics, including take-ons and dribbling stats.
“They've got the idea of a traditional winger playing out wide, but the game hasn't been like that for ages.”
West Ham Fan Reactions to Kudus
22:26 to 24:19
Discussing West Ham fans' perspectives on Kudus' potential transfer to Tottenham.
“I know West Ham fans, they're not exactly...”
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Kudus' Future and Transfer Speculations
24:19 to 28:00
Exploring Kudus' transfer prospects and the implications for Tottenham and West Ham.
“And I'm pretty sure he's got a contract until like 2030 or 31 maybe.”
Kudus and Chelsea's Tactical Moves
28:00 to 30:10
Discussion on Chelsea's player acquisitions and their impact on Tottenham's interest in Kudus.
“But yeah, like you said, but Esteval kind of coming in, maybe playing on that right-hand side.”
Analyzing the Recruitment Strategy
30:10 to 33:40
Exploration of Tottenham's recruitment strategy and its focus on data-driven signings.
“and what does it say about our recruitment strategy under the new sporting structure?”
Evaluating Player Signings and Future Prospects
36:10 to 42:00
Discussion on Tottenham's player signings including Takai and their potential impact.
“But yeah, I feel, yeah, I think it definitely, it definitely makes sense.”
Player Depth and Future Prospects
42:00 to 45:22
Discussion on Tottenham's squad depth, player roles, and future signings like Vuscovic and Takai.
“And I think Frank liked having a guy like him who was experienced, who was kind of a bit of a link between him and the dressing room.”
Player Depth and Future Prospects
45:29 to 46:03
Discussion on Tottenham's squad depth, player roles, and future signings like Vuscovic and Takai.
“Fall is the perfect time to refresh and reorganize your space.”
Transcript
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0:32Prices, values, and available markets may differ from those mentioned. For more information, see calsheet.com slash regulatory. This episode is brought to you by Facebook. So you were scrolling on Marketplace, and there it was, the bike you'd been searching for. You sent a message, and it turned out the seller was super chatty, kind of funny, and an avid cyclist. The next thing you know, you're in a cycling crew. Well, a community cycling group. The thing about Facebook, you might find more than what you're looking for. From a browse to a bike ride, this summer, find more on Facebook. Every game day, you show up for your team.
1:12Now, it's your time. We go V! We go V! Ask your prescriber about Wegovi, semaglutide injection 2.4 milligrams, a GLP-1. Call 1-833-4-WEGOVI or visit wegovi.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about Wegovi. Why wait? Wegovi! In this episode of The Lab, Ben Bowman joins us to break down Tottenham's pursuit of Mohamed Kudus. We explore what makes Kudus such a unique talent, his one-on-one ability, his explosiveness, his versatility, and how he compares to Kulusevsky. We discuss how Kudus could slot into a Thomas Frank system and why he might be a perfect fit for a transitional fluid attack.
2:00We also react to West Ham fans' frustration, examine the potential price tag. We touch on Spurs' broader recruitment strategy, including the signing of Kota Takai, a squad depth, and the urgent need for a defensive midfielder. If you're enjoying the lab still, please take time to give us five stars on Spotify. It really helps to show great.
2:25hello welcome back to another episode of the lab today we're joined by the wonderful the impurious the what's the word where you're at ubiquitous wait i need to look that up what that means ubiquitous it means like everywhere you're appearing everywhere oh that's very kind thanks mate well you're doing it you know Zach Gillab. Yeah. You're being clipped up on TikTok by massive creators like Tom Garrett. Yeah, that did happen. But I got away. Me and Ian said, we got off lightly there. We got away with that. So I'll take that. People don't know quickly. We are going to get into how it could be. Very, very soon, very quickly.
3:11But Ben, essentially, they did like one of these football challenges with other TikTokers. and three of them couldn't fucking kick a ball for love nor money and anyone who watches football you can tell someone who has technique and someone who doesn't and if you don't i mean it's a bit of fun but you are open to ridicule and that's exactly what tom garrett did but ben got away he says oh ben can actually play a little bit why tom garrett is the kind of i don't know bastion of opinion i don't know but we are where we are he didn't even uh it was a crossbar challenge and he didn't even show me hitting the bar and he was like oh yeah no he's all right so i i proved myself without actually hitting the crossbar.
3:47I did notice that you reposted it as well because you said something nice about you. Yeah, well, you got it didn't you? Might as well. It's a game. Exactly. Talking of the game, Tottenham Oxford have been relatively inactive in the transfer window thus far. We've just, if I'm correct, this morning announced the signing of... Who is it we've signed? Kota Takai. Yeah. There we go. Spooky did make a funny joke that just said, and that concludes our business this summer. What do you think the reaction would be like if that was it? Oh, I think you'd probably see protests more so than ever if that was the only signing that we'd made for, especially for a new manager, I think, as well, and being back in the Champions League and off the back of winning the Europa League.
4:32I think, yeah, I think... It'd be funny if Frank wasn't even consulted as well. It was just that Daniel Levy had a word with the social team and just said, just write that because there's nothing else. Yeah, I'm not doing anything. anyway um so the other news is that um the longer this goes on it seems more and more likely that mohabib kudus will eventually become a tottenham player this is a rumor that started from the west ham in the no account as i've said many many times there's direct links into the board and the reason why i know that is because we had um we had a press officer on the lab and he used to work for uh west ham he was their head of communications so and he said that there were you know issues and information that comes directly from the boardroom that ends up on twitter very quickly and um we know that that's the account that they do do it through so this it came it came out that mohammed kudis would probably be open or are available for around 85 million pounds and that Tottenham are interested which to me sounds like West Ham saying you can have him we are open to selling him but the price is 85 million pound and now we're in this situation where Spurs are coming in with bids of around 50 million plus ridiculous add-ons if you believe these so last week we've heard that the add-ons were that Tottenham West Ham would get payments if Spurs won the Premier league and the champions league which no one in their right mind is going to accept that as an option with get in qualify for the champions league that's a completely acceptable you know stipulation or option or or trigger to release more cash to west ham but to win it is ridiculous it's just either shows complete um you know naivety which i would never blame or attribute to Daniel Levy or it's just delusion.
6:38Probably more delusion. I know we're champions of Europe but let's not take the piss here. When I saw that initially I wasn't sure if I believed it just because I was like surely even Levy wouldn't be that delusional to kind of put Premier League winning and Champions League winning add-ons in there. I mean he did say that that is the ambition for the football club didn't he? But I mean he's been held to he'll be held to account over those words. And yeah, I mean, I can't... It's quite clear that I think West Ham would probably do a deal around... I think you could probably get it done for around 60 million.
7:17There's no way that anyone's paying that release clause. I think it's only active for the first 10 days of July, I'm pretty sure anyway. And obviously, we're now the 8th today as we're recording this. There's only a couple of days. And so it's clear that either Spurs are waiting for that to expire and then kind of come in with another bid. It feels like Tottenham are going to go back in imminently. But this is the frustrating thing around with Spurs is that it's quite clear that they have set a fairly reasonable asking price for Kudus, in my opinion. And it's just like, just go and do it. If this is your guy, go and do it.
7:51Because we've been in these situations before. It felt a couple of days ago like we were going to get ourselves into like a Willian 2.0 kind of situation where Chelsea are just there circling and Spurs are going to have to try and fend them off, which we know is going to be very hard to do. But he's made it clear, apparently, that he only wants to join Tottenham. So that's a positive step and makes it even more imperative that we just go and kind of wrap this up as soon as possible with pre-season. Yeah. The reason why we're talking about this is because you have a gut feeling for years and years of living through these transfer windows, what's bullshit and what isn't.
8:24Yeah. And so the vast majority of things, you're like where's that come from like what it just feels like it's never going to happen whereas this one feels like it's carrying weight and what we'll do is get ahead of the story a little bit and talk about what he would bring to Tottenham should he sign um for Spurs yeah and uh so you did a really good video on your YouTube channel which goes into a lot of that this stuff but I thought we could kind of dig a little dig and dive a little bit like a little bit deeper um So why do you think Thomas Frank and Tottenham have targeted Kudus specifically?
8:58What is it about his profile that makes him like a priority signing for Thomas Frank, do you think? I think one of the main things is probably the versatility that he offers. He's played kind of all across that front line for West Ham behind the striker. And it's quite clear that with the profiles at Spurs have been linked with strongly, mainly Kudus and Eze. Obviously, we have been linked with more, I guess, traditional wingers with the likes of Mbwemo as well, who is more well-known for just playing on the right. Semenyo, we were linked with, who's obviously signing a deal now and that won't be happening, but he can play on the right and the left.
9:31But I think it's quite clear that Spurs are looking for someone that can play inside the pitch in that number 10 position with the injuries that we had last season with Kulusevsky and Madison missed a hell of a lot of football and someone that can play out wide as well. We still don't know when Kuluzewski is going to be back. It's a bad injury, isn't it? I didn't realise how bad it was at the time. I swear, I'm pretty sure Andrew said it was a knock at the time. Yeah, he did. He should be back for the final. I keep hearing November, but I don't know whether that is actually true. I feel like people are just saying that.
10:05But he's back doing rehab at the training ground, which is obviously good. But obviously Kudus is someone that profiles quite similarly, in my opinion, to Kuluzewski. like someone who is that half space kind of player like he operated mainly as a right winger for West Ham in that first season and he likes coming inside and dribbling there and that's exactly what Kluzevski is good at kind of that half winger that Mazzala kind of profile and I think he actually complements quite nicely the other wingers that we have in the squad that can play on the other side and if Frankie's going to play more of a transitional game at times I think having someone like Kudus who is such an amazing dribbler to help to draw players to him he's so good at riding the tackle and he's so good at getting past players with the other players that we've got on the other side like Tell, Son if he was to stay maybe even Johnson if he kind of moves over to play on the left a little bit more as well you've got players that really fry of running into space so I think that that is something that he offers massively in terms of being a really nice complement for those kind of players.
11:04But I think probably the main strength is that versatility because Spurs have also got to be careful, I guess, in terms of building this squad for the Champions League. I guess we're cutting it quite close in terms of homegrown club-trained players and all that. I know it's kind of a bit of a boring conversation to get into, but it means that we have to be quite careful how we assemble this squad. So having a player that does offer that versatility, I think is really, really nice. If we were to sell someone like Kim Min Son I think another winger would definitely be a priority but if you were to bring if you were to just bring in Kudus and they were to keep Son I think that would also that would also kind of that would make sense given the sort of profile that the Kudus is and actually can maybe prolong Son a little bit more and also get the best out of someone like Tell and we still don't know what he's going to do with the likes of Johnson etc as well but I think having someone like Kudus in the team really complements those other wingers that we do have that are more like final action players that want to run into space.
11:57Also the versatility thing is massive because there's so many formations and different ways that Frank will play depending on what's presented before him. But there's things that Kudos can do across the board that makes him very, very useful. You could play him in a kind of 3-10, kind of floating around, finding space. You could easily see him at the top of a 3-5-2, dropping in as a 10. and obviously his ability to carry and go one-on-one is something that we've been missing. We know Odebeir is going to be able to do that eventually, but I think he still needs time to get up to speed. And the amount of times we saw Johnson isolated out on that wing, knowing full well that he just won't go past his player, he's unable to do that mostly.
12:47And so he kind of relies on his brilliant crossing technique and his brilliant overall technique, Brendan Johnson. One of his major attributes is how he strikes the ball. um but kudos can just open a team up and cause a bit of chaos yeah as well what i've liked about him as well ben is his ability to receive the ball in midfield shield it and and and find space which kudusovsky does really well as as you mentioned but just having a couple of players that can play under pressure um you know and really kind of take teams apart on the counter it's just one of those one of the many things he can do really and a bit of chaos is what it will bring and what Kulishevsky brings you know he said it he said it himself is that he goes sometimes I don't even know what I'm going to do so how would the defenders know it kind of feels like that and where Andrew would have probably given them these players the freedom to do that a little bit more I think it would be much more structured under Frank but in terms of you know in its very basic in a very basic way.
13:55The main thing for me and why I'm quite excited by the signing is just what he will offer in that one-on-one situation on the right-hand side. Yeah, I agree. A couple more points on that versatility as well. Even if, like you mentioned there, with Frank's ability to change formation, whether that's from game to game or whether that is in-game, Kudis has even played as an eight for Ghana as well. He's played a little bit deeper. His ball-carrying numbers from deep are so good, that ability to get you up the pitch. So if Spurs were going to deploy like a, you know, Frank spoke on that Monday night football piece where he was talking about playing the 5-3-2, maybe against big six teams like that.
14:29But that obviously, I'm sure most Spurs fans have probably seen that by now. Like Kulzevski would be really suited to that role as kind of, say if you were to play like Benton, Korn, Bergvald or maybe Bergvald and Saar in that midfield, having someone who is a little bit more attack minded, but can play deeper as well and carry the ball forward from deep into attacking situations and can float into that 10 position when you do want to be a bit more attacking. and he 100 % offers you that as well. And also like, I feel like with a lot of the wingers that we do have, that are more of the ready-made kind of options.
14:58I still really like Wilson Odebeir, but I think there's a lot to kind of learn and grow in his game. You want to see him show a little bit more confidence, but he is the sort of, Odebeir with his skillset in terms of being that one-v-one threat is a player that you want for all kind of game states as well, whether the game is locked a little bit, whether they're sat in a little bit deeper, that threat to beat a man and find a little bit of space. And also, naturally, those players are good on the counter as well. But Kudus is a ready-made option that is probably the best winger that we have got to come in and play in any game situation because he has got that ability to produce a bit of magic off the cuff to beat a man and get a cross in from either side or in transition as well.
15:36If the game is a little bit more open and Spurs have space to attack, he's a monster when it comes to that as well, which was mostly evident in his first season there. But yeah, he's an attacker for all game states, which I don't think we actually really have at the moment. No, more sort of specialist, really, haven't we? You can't, you know, Brendan Johnson, you can imagine how he's going to be used on the right-hand side or potentially we've talked about him being used up top in the 3-5-2 as part of the front two. Before the season even kicks off, soccer fans are already making predictions. Who wins the league?
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16:36For more information, see calshe.com slash regulatory. This episode is brought to you by Facebook. So you were scrolling on Marketplace, and there it was. The bike you'd been searching for. You sent a message and it turned out the seller was super chatty, kind of funny, and an avid cyclist. The next thing you know, you're in a cycling crew. Well, a community cycling group. The thing about Facebook, you might find more than what you're looking for. From a browse to a bike ride, this summer, find more on Facebook. Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time. We. Go. We.
17:21ask your prescriber about we go v semaglutide injection 2.4 milligrams a glp1 call 1-833-4 we go v or visit we go v.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about we go v why wait we go and we i think we've i don't know who the conversation i had about this it might you it might have been james i'm not sure but it was about in the old days brendan johnson wouldn't have been utilized on the right hand side of midfield he'd been used on the right hand side as a forward yeah be a straight we're playing the front two like yeah effectively and whether or not he'd be good enough to do that i don't know but it just feels like that is the case and the game adapted and he adapted and he's so good tactically johnson like i think it's like so underrated what he brings to that side because people just look at him look at those moments and they're in their head.
18:15They've got the idea of a traditional winger playing out wide, but the game hasn't been like that for ages. And much to the detriment of the game, actually, because it was much more exciting when you had wingers that beat a man, got to the byline and crossed. It was a more exciting thing to watch back then. Yeah. But the reality is, is wingers cut in or inside forwards cut in and do a different job and recycle the ball. And I think that's something... We're going to do another podcast about how Frank's going to set up tactically and what he'll do with the players at his disposal. But one of the things we was warned by some of the guys that we interviewed for the Brentford lads was that slow build-up and waiting for opportunities around the box is a massive part of Frank's game.
18:59And shooting from out the box isn't a massive part of his game either. So we'll need those players who can break that low block. But again, we'll come on to... We'll talk about Frank tomorrow. So what else have you noticed about Kudus and what he'll bring? Maybe some of his statistics and how good he was at one-on-ones and how it compares to other players and other teams? Yeah, so he ranked second for successful take-ons in the Premier League last season. And this was in a season that he underperformed by his own standards from his debut season. I remember in his debut season, Gary Neville, I think, called him the most exciting newcomer, I think, in the Premier League when they did their end of season awards.
19:44He had a real impact. Obviously, his goals and assist numbers dropped off, but his dribbling numbers were still really strong. I think it was only Lamin-Yemal in Europe's top five leagues that completed more dribbles than Kudus last season. He was tied with Jeremy Doku. And like I said, Doku is the only player to have completed more successful take-ons than him. And there's also quite a big drop-off as well from Kudus to the next man, who is Semenyo. Kudus completed 92 successful take-ons last season Semeny only completed 69 and there's not a Tottenham player to kind of be seen in that top 20 list like you'd have to go a long way down to kind of find someone so again you can kind of see why Spurs are sort of targeting him as that dribble heavy player we don't really have anyone that is prepared to commit and take on their men obviously Kulusevski like we said I think they do stack up quite similarly do profile quite similarly in terms of that ability to drive forward with the ball and take players out of the game and one thing with Kudus as well that you massively notice is his strength and he's so so hard to knock off the ball which like I said at the start of the pod makes it it opens up space for other people because you're attracting more players to him to try and get the ball off him I remember there was examples in that first season where um I think I was watching some clips back they were playing Newcastle and literally like he there was a couple of occasions where he just drove through their team three or four times and you literally ended with I think it was Gordon literally having to drag him down because he's so he's almost got that kind of Moussa Dembele like Ankur Luzeski kind of like strength but I think he's more explosive than someone like a Kulusevsky that change of direction is more prevalent he can go on the right hand side he can go on the left hand side he can shift it quickly and then burst away with his pace which is also what makes him such a such an excellent dribbler his carries into the box numbers are really good as well again when you're trying to break down a team that is sitting in that man that's going to kind of drive in and get to the byline is really really important for those cutback crosses especially when you've got players that do want to find a bit of space in the box his shot numbers are right up there compared to other midfielders as well progressive carry numbers like I said from deep really really good and like I said we do kind of already have that with Kulusevsky but I think it's just adding a bit more of a it's it's like having him but just someone who's slightly more explosive and also also got one thing that the stats don't really tell you or it kind of reflects in the first season with goals and assist numbers but he loves producing a moment whereas I feel like sometimes our players do shy away from that a little bit.
22:04Maybe Kulusevsky at times guilty of trying to play the extra pass, not grabbing it and having a shot. I think Kudus is good for that. And also, like you said, Thomas Frank isn't massive on people taking shots from outside the box, but I think he is also massive on players taking responsibility. And if there is an opportunity for someone to do that, then I think Kudus is the sort of player that will want to grab it. He just gives off this kind of... I know West Ham fans, they're not exactly... I wanted to talk about West Ham. So what have you heard from the supporters? I've read some stuff online.
22:37Some people are saying, oh, he dropped off a little bit last season, but then West Ham weren't great last season either. There are other people saying that there will be protests if they sold Hamikoudis to Tottenham. I don't know if that's more about selling one of the best assets to their fiercest rivals or it is about the kind of giving Tottenham the leg up or is it specifically about Mohamed Koudouz not only losing him but losing him to Tottenham as well? Yeah, I think it's mainly about Tottenham to be honest because I think West Ham fans, obviously Koudouz did drop off last season. I think in terms of his goal contribution numbers, I think he went from 20 in the first season to I think it was more around 10 last season.
23:24So he only got five goals and three assists in the Premier League last year. And then the season before that, he got 14 goals and six in all competitions. And yeah, five and four in all comps last season. So there was a drop off from him. And I think what a lot of people, what a lot of Stan fans were probably looking at with Kudus last season is that he, I think his head did go. It seemed a little bit like, I think he thought that he was maybe going to get a move the summer before, which probably wasn't realistic because of the release clause that he did have. and he did have and obviously he's still active up until now and he'd only had one season in the Premier League but with the sort of, you know, like I said, it kind of intertwines back into the sort of character he is.
24:04He's someone who's clearly confident and backs himself and I think he almost saw that first season at West Ham a little bit as like a stepping stone to something bigger and there were big teams in for him last summer as well. I think Arsenal was sniffing around him. I think there was links to Liverpool a little bit as well and I think maybe he was a little bit upset that he didn't get that move at that time and I think maybe that affected him also the tactical setup at West Ham last season for the first part or for the bulk of the season in Lopetegui up until I think it was about February where he got eventually sacked like they were really poor they were a mess and like that doesn't there's only players like that can kind of only do so much and when you almost feel like no one else is around you is kind of contributing in that way his head probably did go and that's not if you're a fan that's not an excuse that that doesn't really run and you can understand why West Ham fans are probably a little bit more non-plussed about getting rid of him now than they probably would have been in the summer before because I remember the summer before they were crazy they don't want to get rid of him like that's like him and Bowen and Paqueta they're their stars well I think the difficult thing is is that obviously Bowen is like literally married to West Ham now it's kind of like he's tired to them and I think it would take even if Bowen is what I think I was like 28 I think it would take silly money for someone to get Bowen out of West Ham.
25:21And I'm pretty sure he's got a contract until like 2030 or 31 maybe. He's got a long contract. So he won't go anywhere. Paqueta has obviously still got the FA case hanging over his head as well. So nobody's going to spend big money on him. And that West Ham squad needs a lot of work. And I feel like their fans realise that. And where they've looked at Kudus, who is slightly more of a depreciating asset in the sense that he didn't contribute as much as he did the year before, They're probably also looking at him thinking he is the player that we can get the most amount of money for because we know we seriously need to rebuild this squad.
25:53They've had a few players leave, a few experienced players leave like Souffal, etc. They're very thin on the ground in midfield. Like their only kind of pivot options like Suchek, Warprous, Alvarez, who hasn't exactly like been that convinced in the Premier League. So I think they know that I think part of the attitude is, well, I think there's three things. where he's made it quite openly clear that he wants to go to Tottenham, he's become dead to them. Two, they recognise how much they need to rebuild that squad. Yeah. And also, yeah, that's kind of... PSR issues as well, potentially. Yeah, exactly.
26:25There needs to be alleviated. In terms of the clubs that are linked, that have been linked to Kudos over the last couple of years, you've got Chelsea, Newcastle, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, when he was at Ajax, but has been linked since then. Bayern Munich also interested even now apparently. Al Nasser, he has a release cause in his contract of 120 million to a Saudi club if they come in. And which suggests that, I don't know whether the club put that in there because they want to be able to accept it if that kind of money came in or whether it's something you'd like to entertain. But regardless of all these links, Atletico Madrid and AC Milan as well, regardless of all these links it seems like the noises are that he wants to come to spurs and if you look at what frank's done with players in his position um you know turning really really rough diamonds into polished ones whatever that analogy is but the but you know and buemo came up with the food championship you know they're attracting really decent but really rough and really wide players at Brentford like Scharder and and um you know he's turned Visser into a top draw number nine and you you would look at on top of that you're joining a massive massive football club within to be able to play in that stadium with Champions League football you know if it doesn't work out you know then there'll be options for him but this is just it makes complete sense yeah really yeah Chelsea was the one I was worried about because they they you know find a way of getting deals done but if you're thinking about progression they've just signed wide players they've got netto they've got you know so they've bought kittens they've bought they've got three number nines they've got they're stacked everywhere they've got estival coming in as well who like i was i was worried about chelsea mainly as well because they seem quite intent on getting medaweke out the door yeah and with what chelsea like they'd probably want to replace him because i think obviously they brought kittens in but i think kittens isn't actually more of a left-sided player.
28:33Yes, he is. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, like you said, but Esteval kind of coming in, maybe playing on that right-hand side. And I was a bit worried about that. That's kind of why I want, still maybe in the back of my mind a little bit, but the fact that he's kind of prioritised Spurs. And maybe as well, I think one thing people forget about Chelsea, as much as I hate them, they are operating more smartly now in terms of their wage structure and all these kind of things. They're probably not prepared to give Kudus that much more money than what he actually might be on at Tottenham. if he's only going to be a very good rotation option like that, he would be a very good addition to their squad.
29:08You could argue they don't necessarily need him, but if they feel like they want to go and sign a player of that sort of quality. They had this with Sancho. The reason that Sancho wouldn't re-sign is because he wanted more money than Cole Palmer. I think Cole Palmer is their highest paid player on about 190 grand a week, I think it is, at Chelsea. Their wages aren't as... There's a lot of players on a lot of decent money, but it's not crazy. And obviously our biggest issue with Tottenham is that we feel like we don't pay competitive enough wages to be able to attract the needle mover kind of players.
29:39But maybe in this instance where Chelsea aren't prepared to necessarily do that either because of the structure they've now imposed kind of on themselves, that probably does open up an opportunity for Spurs. And he knows he's probably going to be a more regular starter at Tottenham. And he's also got Champions League football. He probably doesn't look at it that much differently, even though Chelsea are obviously, they're in a better place than us, so to speak. But yeah, I think, I don't think Chelsea would blow us out of the water on wages on this specific deal, even though the perception might be that would be the case.
30:08What do you think about Kudis' arrival and what does it say about our recruitment strategy under the new sporting structure? Because you've got Vinay in there, Frank's in there, Langer remains. Obviously, you're not going to know this, but you've looked at the data, looked at your statistics. Is this a data-driven signing, do you think, or just one led by a managerial preference? Because based on the statistics and based on the profile of player that we're currently missing in the squad, it does feel like it's an expensive but data-driven sign-in. Yeah. And it kind of does fit. And I just wonder if you think, is this our Dom Solanke or do you think there'll be another one?
30:48There's a lot of questions in there. I think, I'll answer the last one first. I think this will be Tottenham's biggest sign-in. if that's what you mean in terms of like the like the most amount of money we spend on a player in the summer Will there be another one as well? I think there'll be other other players there might be another attacker potentially like I said if some was to go and I think that would definitely be a necessity I would also like hope like actively be looking to potentially sign a backup striker as well potentially that's not going to take the sort of money that it would take to get Kudus over the line and obviously that's dependent again on if Richarlison does go we definitely need a six and that is I think that's what some people are looking at thinking that's the other one that you should be spending this kind of money on.
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31:32And I agree, but I'm not sure whether Spurs are actually going to do that. I think a six is really, really important to us. And I think the profile of that six is also dependent on whether Romero does go as well. Because if Romero goes, I think you kind of have to replace his ball playing ability in the aggregate a little bit and kind of bring in someone. I think anyway, we need to bring in a DM that's more progressive on the ball because I think all of those players that, like if you'd imagine, I know we're going to do a pod about Frank and how he might set up, but you'd imagine Spurs might set up in a pivot next season.
32:02Benton, Corbissuma, Bergvau and Sartre and Gray as well. They're mainly all ball carriers, like in terms of their strengths, in terms of getting up the pitch. None of them are like great passes from deep. Romero is the one that's hinged the most responsibility or hinged with that most amount of responsibility. if you lose him then it makes it even more important to bring in a defensive midfielder that can do that and also then if you're getting that Romero money that makes it even more imperative to go and spend properly on that position as well in terms of replacing a defensive midfielder I wonder if we don't sign one he'll have he'll have a one of those he'll play potentially play Madison in that pivot to allow him to play Kudus and Kuliszewski maybe as well yeah or well you'd need someone who's defensively solid, so you'd need someone like Sarr or Benzincor beside him.
32:55But we're missing that kind of ball-playing midfielder, as you said, someone that can pass from deep. Maddison can do it, although one of his failings would be, and we're slipping into the podcast that we're going to do tomorrow, but I guess one of his failings would be that he's defensively weak and doesn't contribute much there. But if he's playing a double pivot with Kudus or Kulishev, ahead then maybe you can allow for the creativity of madison in that midfield especially because we're going to be a lot more solid and compact i don't know yeah potentially maybe i'll email the club but i do i do think yeah i do think a defensive midfielder is an absolute priority and that's what we should move on to next but i think kudis will probably be the the biggest signing i'd imagine and like you said it could be it's also our solanke i guess in terms of Solanke was a very data-led signing and also something that was specifically probably requested by Postacogli because he felt like he really needed a pressing number nine to really play the way that he wanted to play.
33:55And I think they've probably looked at Kudus and think we really lack a dribbler in that squad. Who is someone that you're kind of almost like buying the dip on, I guess. Like we know that we're not going to go and get a player that... I know that is... I don't want to fall into like exactly probably what the club want, but I know the frustration of the fans is like, why don't we go and buy these players that are just at a ready level now that are already just really performing really well? We just don't necessarily do that. But I think there is also value to be had in buying a player that might have had a slight drop-off last season who you can see real potential in under a better structure, under a better manager, under an attack-minded manager that has got an excellent track record of being able to improve and platform these players correctly to maximise, one, their output and their ability to perform within a system as well.
34:43Whereas it didn't feel like that was the case at West Ham last season. Like we said, it was a mess. Whereas under Frank, there was a clear, it feels like there was more of a clear blueprint, even though we don't necessarily know yet how he's specifically going to play. But the signing makes sense on a lot of levels for me. What was the other two questions, sorry, before that? Before we asked about whether it be our Solanke, whether it be our big signing? Well, I guess the question was, was this episode is brought to you by Facebook so you were scrolling on marketplace and there it was the bike you'd been searching for you sent a message and it turned out the seller was super chatty kind of funny and an avid cyclist the next thing you know you're in a cycling crew well a community cycling group the thing about Facebook you might find more than what you're looking for from a browse to a bike ride This summer, find more on Facebook.
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36:37Salt Lake City branch. Terms and more at AppleCard.com. I can't remember what it was, mate. I just rambled on for so long there. But yeah, I feel, yeah, I think it definitely, it definitely makes sense. Oh, it's about the recruitment structure. Like, it feels like, it feels like Spurs have kind of had this, since Lange has come in, it definitely feels like our, and to be, to an extent, obviously, Pratichie as well, it feels like our recruitment has got a lot more Premier League proven focused like if you think in the last few years we've signed Richarlison we spent big money on like Premier League attackers like Johnson Solanke Richarlison I'm trying to think if there's any other Premier League players that we've signed Madison was one as well obviously it also feels like we're balancing that with them kind of unearthing these gems from far corners of the world like Bergvau, Vuscovic, Kota Takai etc it kind of feels like that's the balance that Spurs are going for and obviously Archie Gray kind of invested in potential as well but it definitely feels like we're signing more premier league proven or premier league proven players than we were before that i i think there's there's value to be had in that there's also value to be had in exploring um uh outside of the premier league as well because i do think some of these players some of these wingers that you kind of see that are being touted around this summer for a similar price point to kudos and some people might include kudos in that as well you're not getting much value in like a langer for 55 million i think he's i think that's crazy personally i think yeah i do i i think the there has been this inflation in in prices definitely in transfers yeah a langer two three years ago 55 million would seem crazy you'd be talking 25 30 yeah same kudos you'd probably think in 40 something like that yeah kudos is definitely a part of it as well but i feel like and i'm not just saying this because we're signing him but it does feel like I do think he'd probably be overpriced based on what we saw last season, but at the end of the day, it's what he's worth to the club and he only signed a couple of years ago, so he's got a decent amount left on his contract, etc.
38:36But I think with the versatility that he offers and the ability to kind of produce moments rather than being a system player, even though I think he can fit into what Frank wants to do, I think he probably represents more value than a Semenyo, maybe even an Mbwemo potentially as well, although you could argue coming off the back of the season that he's just had, he's probably Brentford have every right to ask for that sort of money same price although Brentford have returned down an improved £62 million bid but you think it's going to be similar money coming in yeah but I think Kudis does represent and like Eze as well probably does represent that kind of value whereas there's some other players that you see kind of bound and some people might look at us and say we overpaid for Johnson but then again if you've got a guy that's delivered output that consistently and also there is still room to grow then there are good players in the Premier League and I do like the fact that we're kind of buying these players that we know they can do it.
39:28But I also think there's value outside the league as well. But I do think this signing does represent, because of his versatility and all those other things, does represent decent value, I'd say. He's returned to training with West Ham anyway. Let's see what happens. Finally, just quickly, what do you make of the arrival of Takai? I think I mean again we're so we're actually very stacked at centre half now like we've got if Romero was to stay we've got Romero Danso Vuscovic Van de Ven um Dragasin I mean he's been brought into the first team does he is he start I reckon it will be potentially a case of keeping around the place for the first six months and if there's not not amount of game time for him then maybe go out and loan in January I can't see where the game time is going to come from.
40:21Like, you say alone in January, Jaguars will be back. By the time he's up to speed, he'll be competing against all these players. I can't. Yeah. I think it's one of those that I can 100 % see why they've done it. I think he looks like a defender that's got a lot of potential. Very, very strong. Aerially dominant. Decent on the ball, though I think there's work to be done. Like, he's not the quickest. So he's not like a recovery kind of defender like Van der Ven. He's more of an aggressor, like Romero he kind of from what I watch likes to step up out of that back four and kind of be the one to go up to the halfway line and win the ball back he's definitely more of that aggressor so he's only 20 as well he's only 20 there's a lot to if he doesn't really make something at Tottenham Spurs will be able to probably flip that money like I know obviously we're kind of going through this at the moment with Leo Valiz he's gone back on loan to the club I think pretty sure that we bought him from was that Rosario Central that we bought him from I don't know I can't remember but is he signed for them or has he just gone back on loan it sounds like he's going back on loan so maybe you find yourself in the position where you're kind of constantly loaning these players out and it doesn't really work but it's a bit of a free hit investment I think because he could end up being great you never know it's like Vuscovic as well like I think there's a lot more hype and excitement around Vuscovic like also he's doing it in Europe so it's where it's slightly more familiar shores I think people are a bit more set on Vuscovic and he also does it like a physical like monster I'm really excited to see him but I'm excited to see Takai as well like I am struggling to see where he gets consistent game time but also Spurs are probably looking at it thinking look at the amount of injuries that we had at centre-half last season they probably won't I'd imagine they probably won't register him in the Champions League squad I'd imagine that'll probably happen because they probably think they've got enough depth there anyway like if it was to if it was to come to it and even if we had a couple of injuries there's other players that could kind of step in so yeah I think it's a bit of a free here he's an exciting player good potential and we'll see what happens I'm probably more excited about Vuscovic to be honest but I think for 5 mil or whatever he paid for him I think there's obviously 5 brown in your time I can't see him playing either I don't think he'll get any minutes either and I know people are kind of clamouring around for him to play but it just doesn't fit in like Danso he's not going to play ahead of Danso right we've just signed him permanently he's not going to play ahead of Ben Davies it may be the question may be that he will he should he might though because it's like I remember Thomas Frank was kind of saying about if you compare like Ben Davies to Ben Mee for example Ben Mead played, he was around the place a lot at Brentford, but didn't really play that much.
42:49And I think Frank liked having a guy like him who was experienced, who was kind of a bit of a link between him and the dressing room. And then maybe Davis in his last year of his contract isn't expecting to play. I'd imagine Davis probably, I don't know, I can't exactly remember what the rules are around Champions League registration for Davis, whether he would count. I think because he's Welsh, he wouldn't, he would count. So we might not even register Davis in the Champions League squad either because of the depth that we do have at centre-half. I'd imagine Vuscovic might be ahead of Davis in the pecking order that's one that I do think but we don't know it's like we've not seen I'd prefer to see that I'd prefer to see that I mean I kind of think well what we're doing should be building for the future so yeah I'd probably prefer to say that I don't even know if he's favoured on the left or on the right hand side of probably the what Vuscovic yeah the right I'd say well there you go so Ben Davis is really a moot point then isn't it yeah yeah that's true that's true I think with Takai I think he probably suits more of a like if Spurs were going to go to a back three at times because he's good on the ball, Takai, but that is probably an area of his game that needs to improve.
43:53He's also not the quickest on the turn. So do you want him in one of those channels? If you were to play a back three, the center of the back three would probably suit him quite well. Similar to Vyscovic, but I think Vyscovic where he's better on the ball and more adventurous. Like if you think about, I don't know, like Nathan Collins, for example, at Brentford last season, he was like an, like Frank loves players that are like aerial dual monsters like Frank I think Collins won the most in the league or maybe the second most last season and he's also not bad at progressing the ball either he's going to love players when you want to be compact if you're kind of setting in he's going to want those players to just be monsters in the air and head the ball away and Vuscovic with his frame and Takai as well to an extent are both I think they're both like six foot I think Vuscovic is like six foot four Takai is like maybe a little bit shorter but they're both very strong yeah both very strong airily so you can see why they've done it nice one Ben nice one mate people want to hear more from you where do they find you YouTube we're doing videos over there throughout the summer on sign-ins and little bits about Frank and how we can improve going into next season and stuff live streams talking about transfer bits and over on TikTok as well just Ben Bowman you'll be able to find me over there so nice one mate nice one cheers Ben have a good one every game day you show up for your team Now it's your time.
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In this episode of The Lab, Ben Bowman joins us to break down Tottenham’s pursuit of Mohammed Kudus. We explore what makes Kudus such a unique talent: his one-on-one ability, explosiveness, versatility, and how he compares to Kulusevski. We discuss how Kudus could slot into Thomas Frank’s system, and why he might be the perfect fit for a transitional, fluid attack. We also react to West Ham fans’ frustration, examine the potential £60–85m price tag, and touch on Spurs’ broader recruitment strategy, including the signing of Kota Takai, squad depth, and the urgent need for a defensive midfielder.
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