The unfolding history of the magazine

16 Aug 2025 · 49 min · 27 chapters

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In short

The history and evolution of magazines—from early “storehouse” origins and proto-magazines, to business models (subscriptions, advertising), changing cover design, and survival strategies in the digital age.

Guests

Usha Raman, professor of communication at the University of Hyderabad; began in magazine writing/editing; owns and edits a specialist teachers’ magazine. Samir Husni, long-time magazine industry analyst/consultant; founder/director of the Magazine Media Centre; author of Inside the Great Minds of Magazine Makers. Tim Holmes, former magazine editor/writer and long-time leader of the magazine journalism course at the University of Cardiff.

Key claims

Magazines create community and identity (ownership, shared readership, showmanship). Advertising rose when magazines could sell audiences to advertisers; now magazines must sell content to readers, not just ad space. Covers became crucial “stop-the-browsing” marketing. Digital didn’t end magazines; publishers reinvent via daily/online installments, print “luxury,” and diversified revenue (events, podcasts, guides).

Notable examples

Gentleman's Magazine (1731); contenders like Journal de Scavain (1665) and Ladies’ Mercury (1693); India’s circulating-library model; India Today modeled on Time; Ladies Home Journal and women smoking/drinking; Face magazine (1980s); Car magazine under Mel Nichols; National Lampoon and Spy controversial covers; Bhopal tragedy cover (India Today); Monocle’s multi-format business.

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Chapters

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The Decline of Print Magazines

0:56 to 2:28

Discussion on how reading printed magazines has become rare.

“Listen now, search for Lives Less Ordinary wherever you get your BBC podcasts.”

Personal Experiences with Magazines

2:28 to 3:33

Guests share their last magazine reads and personal connections to them.

“Now, that depends whether you mean like holding a magazine in my hand or online.”

Expert Introductions and Magazine Evolution

3:33 to 5:00

Introduction of expert guests and the evolution of magazines.

“Usha Raman is a professor in the Department of Communication at the University of Hyderabad in India who began her career in magazines writing and editing a variety of publications.”

The Origins and First Magazines

5:00 to 6:27

Exploration of the origins of the word 'magazine' and early examples.

“It's a place where you can find so many things all in one place.”

Early Magazines in India

6:27 to 7:39

Discussion on the emergence of magazines in India and their characteristics.

“Well, clearly the emergence of magazines, newspapers, books, anything ink on paper is connected to the invention of the printing press.”

The Role of Magazines in Society

7:39 to 9:59

Analysis of how magazines fulfilled needs in society and their readership.

“And Tim, what did these early magazines look like?”

Community and Ownership in Magazine Culture

9:59 to 11:49

Discussion on the sense of community and ownership in magazine readership.

“I think there is good evidence that literacy is probably more widespread than is generally recognised.”

The Distinction Between Magazines and Newspapers

11:49 to 14:00

Conversations on how magazines differentiate themselves from newspapers.

“And magazines were characterized by being these things that you could get from a circulating library in the neighborhood.”

The Evolution of India Today Magazine

14:00 to 15:03

Learn how India Today magazine modeled itself after Time magazine and its unique narrative style.

“And I think if I could just talk a little bit about India today, it's probably the most successful news magazine in the country.”

Listener Perspectives on Magazines

15:03 to 16:31

Explore listener insights on the unique experience and value of magazines compared to digital media.

“The article doesn't have to be written in the next half hour.”
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Understanding Magazine Business Models

16:31 to 19:07

Discover the financial dynamics of magazine subscriptions and advertising revenue.

“As we heard there, Glenn mentioned subscribing to various magazines.”

The Role of Advertising in Magazines

19:07 to 22:58

Examine how advertising has shaped the magazine industry and its balance with editorial content.

“was through the advertisement in the magazine and I laugh every time I look at all those ads from the early days, from the 30s and 40s who are like two out of three doctors recommend this brand of cigarettes to smoke.”

Technological Advancements in Magazine Production

22:58 to 25:06

Learn about the technological developments that contributed to the growth of magazines in the 19th century.

“And that's a drastic change from what used to be in the 1920s.”

Impact of Radio and Television on Magazines

25:06 to 27:52

Explore how radio and television influenced the magazine industry and content diversity.

“So I can give you a really nice example of this, I think.”

The Role of Magazines in Independence

28:00 to 29:16

Learn how magazines influenced the independence struggle in the early 20th century.

“the independence struggle in the early 20th century?”

Trends vs. Creation in Magazines

29:16 to 30:17

Explore whether magazines follow trends or help create them.

“But certainly both politically and culturally, I think magazines have both pushed the spirit of the times as well as reflected the spirit of the times.”

Influential Magazine Examples

30:17 to 31:22

Discover specific magazines that shaped cultural identities and trends.

“It was much more influential than lastingly successful.”

Magazines as Agents of Change

31:22 to 32:24

Understand how magazines have historically initiated social changes.

“which has made it OK for women to smoke in public.”

Evolving Magazine Covers

32:24 to 33:26

Learn about the transformation of magazine covers and their purpose.

“And for instance, in India, Femina and what used to be called Eve's Weekly were both magazines that started out very much speaking to the woman in the home, you know, homemakers.”

Impactful Magazine Covers

33:26 to 34:35

Discuss memorable magazine covers that made a lasting impression.

“Tim, how would you describe that change in what the role of the cover became for magazines?”

Visual Storytelling in Magazines

34:35 to 37:36

Examine how imagery and typography play essential roles in magazine design.

“So that combination of image and the cover lines has become, well did become, an extreme art almost, certainly a very well refined craft.”

The Golden Age of Magazines

37:36 to 40:17

Explore the rise of magazines during their golden age and their cultural significance.

“You're actually editing and helping display covers when you don't speak the language.”

Magazines in India: A Historical Perspective

40:17 to 42:06

Understand the growth of magazines in India and their impact on literacy.

“The circulation of some individual titles ran into the millions.”

Digital Transformation of Magazines

42:06 to 45:09

Explore how the internet has reshaped the magazine industry and audience behavior.

“The internet has, of course, been transformational for the magazine industry.”

Business Models and Magazine Longevity

45:11 to 46:26

Discuss the changing business models of magazines and their impact on survival.

“magazines, Reader's Digest, for example, stop producing editions in some countries.”

Revenue Diversification in Magazines

46:29 to 48:29

Learn about various revenue sources magazines are exploring to stay afloat.

“So, Tim, is digital and the fallout from the pandemic, has this been an existential crisis for magazines?”

The Future of Printed Magazines

48:31 to 49:29

Consider whether traditional printed magazines can survive in a digital world.

“So you're not getting a magazine for£3.99 or£5 anymore.”
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1:26picking up a magazine to read has faded into a distant memory. It's a long, long time since I picked up or bought a magazine. I do sometimes buy a physical copy of a magazine or borrow one from the public library, but digital access is very convenient. I've been hiding money inside a property magazine lying on the coffee table for two years now. No one picks up these things nowadays. I would only read a printed magazine if I'm on an aeroplane. I have not booked a magazine in a shop or at a newsstand in many years. Have you seen the cost of magazines these days? I last read a magazine at the dentist.

2:06I was nervous so I had to find something to calm me down. Thanks to Jonathan, Saif, Carolyn, Stuart, Majuku, Mark, Keith, Eddie, Helena and Angela for sharing their thoughts on the BBC World Service Facebook page, where we asked when you last read a printed magazine. Usha, what was the last magazine you read? Now, that depends whether you mean like holding a magazine in my hand or online. But as it happens, I received my latest issue of The Caravan just yesterday. It's a news magazine produced in New Delhi. Samir, how about you? You collect magazines, so you have a huge number to choose from. Currently, I'm reading the first issue of a new magazine called The Players, which is combining fashion and sports.

2:57It's 360 pages oversized. You need two hands to carry it. And by the way, if it's not income paper, I don't consider it a magazine. OK, well, we'll get on to that in a bit. Tim, how about you? Well, I'm afraid I'm going to lower the tone here because the last magazine I've been reading is Moto Jornal, which is a Portuguese motorcycling magazine. It's partly because of my interest in motorcycles, but also as I live in Portugal now, I'm trying to do everything to increase my facility with the language. So that's quite helpful. Ah, you heard there my three expert guests who'll be joining us for this forum from the BBC World Service to explore the rich history of magazines and discuss how these things that were once such a big part of our lives have adapted in the face of many challenges.

3:53Usha Raman is a professor in the Department of Communication at the University of Hyderabad in India who began her career in magazines writing and editing a variety of publications. She is also the owner and editor of a specialist magazine for teachers. Samir Husni has been analysing and advising the magazine industry for decades. He's the founder and director of the Magazine Media Centre, whose aim is to preserve the past, present and future of the format. And he's written many books, including Inside the Great Minds of Magazine Makers. And Tim Holmes is a former magazine editor, writer, and until his retirement, leader for many years of the magazine journalism course at the University of Cardiff in the UK.

4:42Now, the origins of the word magazine give us an interesting hint as to what became their function. Samir, what did the word magazine mean originally? The word magazine started from the Arabic word makhazim, which means storehouses. It's a place where you can find so many things all in one place. Edward Cave in the UK was the first one to use that word to describe his publication, The Gentleman's Magazine, in 1731. As so often with origin stories, there is no consensus about the earliest example of a magazine. Which one, Tim, has the best claim to being the first magazine? Or at least give us a flavour of some of the contenders.

5:29Well, I can give you four possible examples. So in 1586 in Frankfurt, we have what I'm going to call Gainasseum, which was a collection of engravings of, quote, female costumes from around Europe, so perhaps a proto-fashion magazine. And in 1663 in Hamburg, the Erbaulich magazine, which was kind of literary, philosophy, poetry, hymns, had a lot of idiosyncrasies, but it inspired other magazines, including in 1665 in Paris, the Journal de Scavain, which is very often quoted as the first proper, if you like, magazine. But then if you want another date as well, 1693 in London, the Ladies' Mercury, I think, has a good claim to be the first ever women's magazine.

6:24So you've got a bit of a selection there. Well, clearly the emergence of magazines, newspapers, books, anything ink on paper is connected to the invention of the printing press. We're talking 14th century China, Korea, 15th century Europe. How about India, Usha? What do we know about the earliest magazines there? Well, most accounts date the earliest magazines to the 16th century when the first printing press arrived in India. The first English magazine started along with the first English newspaper in the late 1700s. So that would be around 1780 or so. But there are many magazines in other languages that started around the same time.

7:13In Tamil, Bengali are two languages that have been very prolific in terms of magazine culture. And again, you know, it depends on whose history you listen to or read. The earliest magazine that's found in many of the records is the Oriental Magazine or the Calcutta Amusement, which was kind of a gossipy magazine meant for the expats of the time. And Tim, what did these early magazines look like? We're not talking glossy covers, are we? No, they would have looked to our eyes relatively plain and type heavy. But of course, back then people were used to seeing just type. There would also have been woodcuts included.

7:58But although they look plain by the standards of current magazines, I think there was an art in making the type look good, look nice, look readable, look interesting, and then using the woodcuts to add to that and to increase the enjoyment. Tim, I want to take a step back to look at the broader context of the early days of magazine publishing. What kind of need were magazines fulfilling among people and who were the readers? Well, this is the perennial question for any magazine publishers, which is who are your readers and what do they need? And it was true back then in the days of the Gentleman's Magazine and before that.

8:42And if you put those kind of publications into the context of the time, certainly in Western Europe, you have two really major movements going on. The first is the Age of Enlightenment and the Scientific Revolution. So there was a huge amount of new information, both physics, maths, philosophy, general learning. that people in particular spheres, to be able to fill their role in society and their niche in society, there's a certain amount and level of information that's needed to be able to do that. And then you can add to that, it's also a period of social change and mobility, the beginnings of mobility.

9:35You've got new categories of citizenship. You've got the beginnings of female emancipation. You've got the whole trade versus gentry kind of thing and new trades and new professions coming on. And all of these categories of people, if you like, all these potential readership groups have information needs. And so you've got them forming what you might call proto-communities. I think there is good evidence that literacy is probably more widespread than is generally recognised. And I think the main limit to being able to participate in the magazine sphere, if you like, would have been the ability to afford it.

10:22I think if you put all of those things together, you've got an idea of who they were and what they needed to know. I mean, would you agree with this, Samir, the sense that, you know, reading a magazine does allow you access to this new community if you were socially mobile? Well, it gives you that sense of membership. Since the beginning of the printing press, we have three ships that cruise through each one of us. Ownership. We want to own something. And when you are holding a magazine in your hands, you are owning it. It's yours. I mean, you paid for it. Nobody can take it away from you. And then the sense of membership, that sense of community that I'm not the only one.

11:04There's like X number of people who are receiving the same exact magazine, regardless where they live. I mean, you have to keep in mind, till television start coming into being, magazines were the only national media, mass media. The idea of having a national newspaper did not really appear in the United States until the mid 80s of the last century. So that sense of membership was so important to the people who are receiving it. And then showmanship. You put it on your coffee table. You are so proud of showing it that, hey, look, I'm not like those common people. And that gives us that inner satisfaction.

11:47Isha, have you got something to say? Well, in India, it's been quite different in terms of ownership. And magazines were characterized by being these things that you could get from a circulating library in the neighborhood. So there used to be these circles of readers who would all, you know, contribute and buy a subscription to a magazine, and then it would circulate among them through this circulating library. So in that sense, they were a local community reading the same magazine serially. So, you know, they would get together at tea shops and coffee houses and discuss that week's or that month's issue of the magazine.

12:28So that's one kind of, I would say, hyper-local community that builds around reading a periodical without necessarily having to afford the entire subscription. So it's a shared subscription. And possibly this exists in other cultures, but it's very, very prevalent across India. Usha, as a magazine editor, how do you go about creating that community of readers? It's one of the things that we've been hearing that distinguishes magazines from other forms of print media. I think more than newspapers, magazines have a much clearer idea of who they're speaking to. And, you know, speaking from my own experience, I run a little magazine for school teachers.

13:14And I think one of the things that sustains the magazine is that community. So how one builds communities, I think for specialist magazines, it's very different from general interest magazines. But I think it's the tone, right? It's much more personal when you're speaking to a reader. It's like you're telling them a story. So the whole mode of journalism is much more speaking directly to a reader rather than broadcasting information to the general public. Vishal, you've previously worked at the magazine India Today, the weekly news magazine. So when you're in news, how do you distinguish yourself from newspapers?

13:58Is it like you say about the content or is it more about the tone of how you address the readers? Well, it's a combination of both. And I think if I could just talk a little bit about India today, it's probably the most successful news magazine in the country. And when they started back in the late 1970s, they very consciously modeled themselves on Time magazine right down to the red border. And so I think they had a sense of how magazine journalism deferred from newspaper journalism in that, of course, it was much more narrative. You had the opportunity and the space to tell stories in much more depth and with greater context.

14:41The other way in which they distinguished themselves, I think, was visually, right? Photographs that, you know, were stories in themselves. And India Today, again, had some excellent photographers who've become legends in the Indian context. Well, let's take a moment to hear what our listeners appreciate about magazines. Magazines allow for perspective. The article doesn't have to be written in the next half hour. Having magazines in your home, to me, has an effect like the Scandinavians call hoog, that comforting feel in your home with the soft blanket and the candles. But I think a beautiful assortment of magazines, it really shows good taste.

15:31It can offer up some new interests and ideas. I've always liked magazines a lot and had lots of subscriptions. If you compare to how we read online, we jump between tabs, notifications, headlines. Magazines offer a far slower, nicer, more intentional way, I think, to take in content. What beats probably the printed magazine against the electronic one is that you are engaging more senses into it. This experience engages more of your person. It is very tactile. You touch, then you smell, then you see the fonts, the paper. You turn the pages. And for me to take some glossy magazine and to find some way with a cup of coffee, it's something unbeatable.

16:26That was Joan, Kurt and Glenn in the United States, Justin in Peru. and Ruta in Lithuania. As we heard there, Glenn mentioned subscribing to various magazines. Tim, talk us through the magazine business model. Why do magazines want to have subscribers? So if you sell your magazine in a shop, there's the cost of getting it to the shop, there's the cost of the shop selling it, so they will want to take perhaps 50 % of the cover price, and then you might have magazines left over that you have to get rid of. If you have a subscription, you get all of the money up front and you can, you know, make use of it.

17:09You've got a bit of regular income. I understand the desire for that. Well, what about advertising? Samir, when and where did that emerge? Was it because the cost of publishing a magazine and keeping the cover price at a certain level got to a point where it just wasn't sustainable? That was the beginning of, I mean, as the turn of the 19th century and we start seeing in the United States the penny press, which is the newspapers that started depending on advertising for their revenue, and they became in the business of counting customers rather than customers who count. and all of a sudden Cyrus Curtis, the owner of Ladies Home Journal and the Saturday Evening Post, found out that's a great idea.

17:55I mean, if we can sell the magazine cheap, have the subscription cheap and get the money from the advertisers. So they started growing the numbers and magazines like the Saturday Evening Post almost reached a circulation of 7 million copies. In fact, until recently, I would say until maybe the turn of the 21st century, you could get a magazine for the whole year for$20, for example, because of the advertising revenue that's coming in, because they were selling the numbers of their audience to the advertiser. But now we are shifting back to the circulation model because the advertisers have found so many other platforms to advertise on.

18:43And the magazines, instead of costing like$20 for a year, it's$20 for one issue. but the main reason for the advertising being a major aspect of the magazine industry because you have to remember the only place people knew that there is something new in the marketplace was through the advertisement in the magazine and I laugh every time I look at all those ads from the early days, from the 30s and 40s who are like two out of three doctors recommend this brand of cigarettes to smoke. But it's amazing how change has been the only constant in the magazine business. But it is interesting, this relationship between magazines and advertisers.

19:35Usha, looking back over the publications you've worked for, how do you achieve the balance between articles and adverts? I mean, presumably you'd want to fill the magazine with adverts so you make money. Well, I can talk a little bit about, you know, the days when I worked with the India Today group. It was rumoured that the ad on the back page, which was for the longest time from the Bajaj company, and they made this very successful two-wheeler scooter, and that single ad paid the salaries of all the journalists in India Today. Wow. That was the rumor. So were the journalists just not paid any money?

20:17Is that or? Well, no, the advertising space was so expensive. Excellent. Because like Samir said, you know, India today was the only vehicle that would reach people with some disposable income across the country. And it's in English. And already, you know, those who speak English in India tend to be those with some level of disposable income. So they had, you know, the perfect vehicle to reach this particular demographic. So, so obviously, you know, advertising is hugely important just in terms of making a well-designed, well-produced magazine viable. But it's also important because I think actually readers like to look at ads, particularly the glossy magazines.

21:04And if you look at the women's magazines in India, Femina, Now Vogue, of course, a lot of people pick them up and probably spend more time looking at the ads than they do at some of the editorial content. But then to come to the question that you asked in terms of editorial decisions, you do have to take a stand on what kind of advertising you carry, how much advertising you carry. And I think there is some regulation that you can't have more than 45 % or something like that of advertising content in a magazine. 45 % is an awful lot, Samir. I mean, have you? You wanted to come in over that? In the United States, it's 75 % on average.

21:50But that's for the whole year. I mean, to qualify for the postal services as a second class, as the discounted rate of mailing the magazines. Well, some of our listeners find the adverts too much. Jan in South Carolina said, I don't want to pay$15 for a magazine that's mostly ads. Samir, in your work as a consultant to magazine publishers, how do you advise them on the advertising aspect? Do you tell them to go up to 75 %? No. And in fact, I tell them that you have to be in the business of selling content to the readers, to the customers, not to the advertisers. I mean, the day where we are selling our content to the advertisers by selling our audience are gone.

22:39If you are paying$15 for the magazine, you better be getting 80 or 90 percent of editorial content. And that's one reason. I mean, we are seeing with the established magazines and the new magazines, they are cutting down on their frequency because they are increasing the cover price and losing the ad pages. And that's a drastic change from what used to be in the 1920s. I mean, advertisers, they have so many other options now. But it's that, like some other listeners of yours said earlier, it's that lean back experience. I mean, nothing beats holding a magazine in your hand, an ink on paper magazine.

23:19There's no notifications, there's no interruption. And the most important thing to me, it's permanent. Yeah, that's true. There's no delete. There's no backspace. I mean, once you get the magazine, this is it. You're stuck with it, whether it's good or bad. Tim, we've been talking advertising, subscriptions, the various business models that allowed magazines to flourish and gain a foothold in the public consciousness. What were the other things that contributed to this period of expansion in the 19th century? So in terms of technology, there were simply more printers printing more things, and then you get better and faster printing presses so they can print more of the magazines.

24:04Yes. Faster composition, i.e. typesetting. So in the 19th century, it began to be done mechanically and that speeded things up a lot. Paper itself became cheaper and more readily available. So traditionally, paper was made from rags and it was quite a premium product. and then the system of making it out of wood pulp was developed and suddenly paper could be had in large quantities for much cheaper prices. So that made it cheaper to actually start your magazines and keep them going. And I think better image reproduction as well. So again, we talked earlier about woodcuts. By the end of the 19th century, magazines were able to reproduce photographs in halftone illustrations, and that made a huge difference.

25:00And then the political economy itself, i.e. manufacturing. So I can give you a really nice example of this, I think. Bicycles. Okay. The bicycle went through quite a long period of development before settling on John Kemp Starley's safety bicycle, which is basically the bicycle we have now. And once that happened, then you got a massive manufacturing boom in bicycles. So you had lots on the market. So you needed to sell them to people. So there was advertising. But where would you advertise your bicycles? If there were a bicycling magazine, for example, that would be very convenient. So at the end of the 19th century, there was a boom just in bicycling magazines.

25:48So I think it went from, you know, one or two to 20 or 30. So I think if you want an example of how political economy changes that, that's, I think, a very good example of how it influences our cultural production, if you like, the production of magazines in this instance. So Samir, what about TV and radio? When radio and then television emerged and became the main means of mass communication in the 20th century, what was the impact on the magazine industry? Were they in competition or did they actually feed off one another? Well, the more radios we had at the households and the more television started penetrating the American households, the more topics and subject matters were available for the audience.

26:37For example, soap operas on the radio. People were like sitting by the radio listening to a soap opera on every single day. And all of a sudden, we have 10, 15 magazines devoted to soap operas. Same thing happened with cable television. When television started being specialized, when MTV, for example, came on the scene, we used to have one music magazine like Rolling Stone. And all of a sudden, we have a magazine for rap music, a magazine for hip hop, for Metallica. So the mass reach of television and radio helped create subject and topics that the audience was not aware of. So smart publishers are learning how to complete and compete without really any major competition on their behalf.

27:29I mean, they are providing the audience with something that they loved on TV. I mean, I loved watching like wrestling, for example. And all of a sudden there's five magazines to fulfill that. I don't want to say lust for wrestling. but to fulfil that interest of wrestling. Okay, I'd like to turn now to explore what the place of magazines in society is. In India, Usha, how much were magazines responsible for shaping, say, the independence struggle in the early 20th century? Well, many of the politicians of the time or nationalist leaders of the time were also writers. And Gandhi himself, for instance, published several periodicals, something that he called a newspaper rather than a newspaper, which was a weekly.

28:25And I think the idea was to build a critical mass of readers who would then join the freedom struggle. So I I think during the early part of the 20th century, definitely magazines played a huge role in building that consciousness, nurturing that consciousness towards independence. And I think this continued over the years. So from being very nationalist in the pre-independence years to being sort of development oriented in immediate post-independence years to more reactionary and, you know, watchdog in the 70s, 80s, to what we have now, which is much more consumerist, working along with the entertainment industry and so on.

29:13So that would be, I think, the trajectory. But certainly both politically and culturally, I think magazines have both pushed the spirit of the times as well as reflected the spirit of the times. That was a very diplomatic answer, but I want to hear from everyone. Do magazines follow trends and movements or do they create them? What do you think, Tim? I don't think that a magazine or any medium can actually create something out of nothing. But I do think that a good editor can spot a trend or even the hint of the beginnings of a trend very early and can then influence the way that the people involved in that trend or in that situation or that community, whatever it may be, perceive themselves and what they're doing and help to form that identity and community.

30:12And I was thinking of some examples of what this might be. And there's one that's kind of very widely quoted, which is the Face magazine, which was, you know, clubbing and fashion in the 1980s. It was much more influential than lastingly successful. It was successful, but not lastingly successful. But it helped to create a real subcultural scene. I think you've got the magazine Car when it was edited by Mel Nichols and Mel took what was quite a sort of dull, nuts and bolts, dry, dusty sort of publication and turned it into something extremely glamorous. It looked fantastic, had fantastic photography.

30:58The artwork was fantastic. And it was something that if you had even a vague interest in cars, you would be interested in. And for better or worse, I think it led directly into what you might call the top gear era on television and elsewhere. Samir, what do you think about this? Yeah, but also, I mean, if you go back a little bit historically, like 20s, 1920s of the last century, magazines like Ladies Home Journal introduced women smoking in the magazine, which has made it OK for women to smoke in public. And then later they introduced women drinking in public, which is making OK for women to drink in public.

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31:39Esquire magazine, for example, introduced gun control and a call to ban gun advertising. So there's always this conversation taking place in the magazine industry about like, is my role to reflect my audience or is my role to initiate to my audience or to tell my audience, to educate my audience? I can give you a clear answer like which one is winning, because any magazine that does not play both roles will be out of business. And what do you think, Isha? Definitely magazines have played a role in, let's say, broadening the discourse around gender and around women's rights and so on. And for instance, in India, Femina and what used to be called Eve's Weekly were both magazines that started out very much speaking to the woman in the home, you know, homemakers.

32:37And then gradually over the years, they've started talking about professional women, about the struggles that women have in the workplace, talking about labor rights and various other issues. So I think I agree with Tim that, you know, magazines don't pull trends out of nowhere. I mean, clearly there is something happening in society that these editors pick up on and choose to advocate for. So, you know, with magazines that represent marginalised groups or political constituencies that may be on the fringes, you know, whether you're subscribed to them or not, I think magazines have played a role in amplifying those trends and making them normal, you know, like Samir said.

33:19We discussed earlier that when magazines first appeared, the content was sometimes on the front cover. Tim, how would you describe that change in what the role of the cover became for magazines? Well, the cover really became a way of stopping a distracted shopper in his or her tracks and getting them to look at and then ideally pick up and buy your magazine. You know, we've already talked about the availability of magazines and being in shops and supermarkets and so on. There are a lot of them and you need a way to make them stand out. And the cover is the way to do that. And there's an awful lot of work goes into covers.

34:02But at the same time, there's a well-known magazine editor and now pundit called David Hepworth, who said that the cover must appeal to a moron in a hurry, which is more of a kind of general philosophical point than referring to any particular readership as morons. And then other people sort of see the cover as the poster for the publication, which can then kind of lead on to other things, to other interactions with it. So that combination of image and the cover lines has become, well did become, an extreme art almost, certainly a very well refined craft. and as pictures got better, as repro got better, as people got more into the idea of marketing their magazines to readers on the stand, so covers developed and became really, really the most important part, the most important single page of the magazine.

35:10Well, without wanting to refer to any of my guests as morons, what are some of the standout covers? Is there a particular magazine cover that you remember that comes to your mind's eye? You know, National Lampoon had a cover of a handgun aiming at the head of a dog. And it says, if you don't buy this magazine, we are going to shoot this dog.

35:34And you have to remember, I mean, you have 20 seconds. I mean, all these studies that I've done, all what we have is 20 seconds to decide whether you're going to pick up that magazine or not. Yeah. I also remember the pregnant Bruce Willis on the cover of Spy magazine. Wow. After Vanity Fair had the pregnant Demi Moore on its cover, Spy decided to go the opposite way and had a picture of Bruce Willis pregnant on the cover of the magazine. What about you, Usha? Can you remember a particular magazine cover that caught your eye? Yeah, well, yeah, Samir just stole my name. I was thinking of that one.

36:13But there was another one that I would, I mean, I still remember as being a really effective, although very depressing magazine cover, which was, you know, I've been talking about India today a lot today. But it was the cover of the issue that came out after the Bhopal gas tragedy. And it was just the image of one child under the rubble. It was really arresting and very sad picture, but I think it was a really powerful image. So I agree that a lot of it is about the image, but then I also really enjoy the New Yorker covers because they're also telling a story, right, which very often doesn't have anything to do with what's in the magazine.

36:56And to some extent, we at Teacher Plus, the magazine I run, we also try and get artists to interpret the cover story. But sometimes what they do ends up being a comment on its own, which doesn't really relate to the content. So I think it's about creating an image that tells a story in itself, but also tells you that there's something great to read inside. Covers are far, far more visual than they used to be. And as an illustration of that, Samir, I'm amazed to learn that you've advised magazine publishers in all sorts of different languages, even though you yourself speak Arabic and English. So can you tell us how that works?

37:37You're actually editing and helping display covers when you don't speak the language. I mean, if you cannot tell what the story is by looking at the images, you're dead in the water. I mean, 50 percent of the stories in magazines have to be visually presented. And then you look at the captions and then you look at the headlines and then you read the story. But if your editor and your designer cannot provide you with this, what we call display typography and photography, there is no room for you. Our attention span is less than a goldfish. I mean, we are as adults now in the United States, our attention span is eight seconds, where the goldfish attention span is nine seconds.

38:25So we are reaching a stage where I have to, my content has to be like a magnet. And nothing works better than pictures, imagery, color, headlines, big type, to grab your attention and keep your attention. I mean, it's so easy to grab the attention. Keeping the attention is the hard thing. And then, of course, what's harder than hard is getting them back for seconds and thirds. I mean, it's not enough to have a reader, a one-time reader. You want a dedicated reader who can't wait until the magazine arrives in the mail or go to the newsstands to find that issue. Have you ever, just out of curiosity, edited a magazine in a language like Arabic, which reads in a different direction?

39:14And does that change how you format the images on the cover? Yes, actually, I did. I was the consulting managing editor for a magazine that the State Department published in 2003 to the Arab world. I mean, I tell people, I mean, I write and read and look at it the right way. I mean, it's when I'm doing something in English, I'm doing something in the wrong direction. because here in the American magazines, we say, I mean, the most important focus should be the upper right-hand corner. What if you have the upper right-hand corner as the most important part in an Arabic magazine, you're dead in the water because that's the last thing you are going to look at.

39:56I mean, you want like something in the upper left-hand corner. So you're right. I mean, there's a lot of differences, but also there's a lot of similarities. Well, we've seen that magazines saw off competition from TV and radio in the 20th century. And this period is often referred to as the golden age of magazines. The circulation of some individual titles ran into the millions. Usha, in India, this explosion in magazines happened perhaps somewhat later than in some other countries. But when it came, it was huge, wasn't it? It was. And I think it was also helped by the fact that television came to India late.

40:40So when magazines took off, I would say, starting the 1980s, they met a very hungry public. And if you look at the number of periodicals registered with the state regulator, the Registrar of Newspapers of India, you'll find there were almost four or five times the number of magazines that were registered between the 1980s and the early 2010s than there were newspapers. So magazines really grew during that period. And I think one of the things that contributed to this was also the rising literacy. There were more and more people who could read in multiple languages. And this is also why India continues to be a big market for print, despite the fact that there's so much digital media out there.

41:31The other thing that's happened, I suppose, since the early 2000s has been that international magazines have started coming into India. So you have an Indian Vogue, you have Time and Newsweek until it was published, being published, printed and distributed in India. And Fortune, for instance, Forbes, all of these magazines have an Indian counterpart. So I think all of this has meant that when you go to a bookstore or to the magazine section in the airport, you just find many, many magazines that continue to be available. The internet has, of course, been transformational for the magazine industry.

42:11Information that you might have waited weeks or months to read became available at the touch of a button. So why buy a magazine? That's exactly what some of our listeners told us. Cornelius says he finds the internet fun, easy and more versatile than magazines. For Sebastian, he says the internet made magazines redundant. Nowadays, everything is online by the time it appears in print. Ashok argues that people's interests are met by television, mobile phones and the internet. For Haytham, digital platforms provide endless variety, making physical magazines feel outdated and impractical for many.

42:53Usha, how have magazine publishers adapted in the digital age? Well, just to contradict or speak a little bit against what Samir said right in the beginning about a magazine being a magazine only if it's ink on paper. I very much like the printed magazine. So, you know, I just want to put that on the table. I think a magazine is a magazine when it's printed. But at the same time, I think what magazine publishers have done in the face of audiences moving digital is to try and reinvent themselves in multiple ways. So this has meant that there has been a greater pressure on them to meet these shorter retention spans and shorter news cycles even and produce installments of their magazine daily.

43:44least, like the New Yorker does, the New Yorker Daily. And there are other magazines that now release one story a day and then anthologize it at the end of the week or at the end of the fortnight. So those are some ways in which they've coped. But at the same time, I think there's also a reverse push. So just to give you an example, the Hindu, which is one of India's largest newspapers, has two very successful magazines, but one is more successful than the other, Sportstar. Both these have seen a sort of resurgence in recent times. Despite the fact that, you know, people are moving digital, I think their subscriptions have actually increased in the past couple of years, because there is a certain section of the audience that they may consume the magazine online, but they also want to see it in their home and hold it over time and read it.

44:40You know, you can't really write off the magazine yet. Well, listener Mark in Sao Paulo says that magazines face a tough challenge to offer something different. I can sit looking at Instagram and listen to fashion influencers talking about clothes forever. I don't need to go out and buy a copy of Vogue. So, you know, it's really up to publishers to decide what is it they can offer that goes beyond what's on social media. So Samir, we've seen some venerable magazines, Reader's Digest, for example, stop producing editions in some countries. Where did they go wrong? It's the business model. I mean, you have to remember Reader's Verges was one of the original magazines that expanded worldwide.

45:27But at the end of the day, I mean, magazines today are not owned by individuals. The majority of the magazines are owned by venture capitalists, by companies who are more interested in looking at the stock market after every quarter. And they want to increase their profits quarter after quarter. as opposed to an individual like Henry Luce from Time and Sport Illustrated who was willing to lose like$25 million before he pulled the plug or he never pulled the plug on like Sport Illustrated. I think the nature of the business model and who owns magazines is going to shape our future and what type of magazines are going to continue publishing and what type of magazines are going to fold.

46:16I mean, there's a life cycle for everything. I mean, I tell people all the time, I mean, we are born to die. So how is the magazines different than the human beings? And that's why I say, like, as long as we have human beings, we are going to have magazines. Amazing. So, Tim, is digital and the fallout from the pandemic, has this been an existential crisis for magazines? Or is it just another change in a long series of changes that magazines have weathered in their 500 year existence? Well, it has precipitated a crisis, digital has, in terms of the print industry for all sorts of reasons. And, you know, people have moved their modes of consumption under different forms away from print.

47:03But in a way, it's like the music industry. So as with the music industry, you've got bands who still have records and they might even have vinyl records, but they also do live performances or tours and they have merch. So you have a whole panoply of revenue sources. And I think it has to be the same with magazines. If we want to hearten Samir, we can take the example of a magazine like Monocle, produced in London, which has print magazines, it has print city guides, it has a print summer holiday newspaper and a print winter holiday newspaper. And these are all separate items. But it also has radio, which is basically podcasts, but they call it radio.

47:52It has events which people will pay to go to. It has very expensive merchandise. So there's all of that. So I think any magazine has to think about the other aspects of what it's going to do to make money. Even small magazines like there's a magazine called We Are Makers, which is a very small indie mag. But they also do podcasts and they kind of raise money through events and other things. So you have to look around and see what you can do to help your product be sustainable. And the other thing is, and I think somebody's already mentioned this, it's luxury. So you're not getting a magazine for£3.99 or£5 anymore.

48:40You know, they're£15,£20,£25 or euros now. So they're really luxury items. So it has sort of come full circle then. It started off for gentlemen and now, you know, only gentlemen can afford them. Well, that kind of thing, that's a very good way of putting it, yes. I mean, both a gentleman and a gentlewoman can afford them and even children. I mean, look at the success of The Week Junior, where both here in the United States or in the UK. I mean, here's a magazine aimed at kids and is doing very, very well in this digital age that we live in. Usha, what do you think about this? I'm not sure if the printed glossy magazine will survive, but maybe this new thing that we don't have a name for yet, but that has the spirit of the magazine, will survive.

49:28Fantastic. My thanks to my guests, Tim Holmes, Samir Hosni and Usha Raman. I'm Izzy Lawrence. Thanks for all your comments and I hope you'll join me again for another forum. Lives Less Ordinary is bringing you a special series of extraordinary love stories from all around the world. In India, love at first sight feels more psychotic than arranged marriage. Love stories that break all the rules. We came into our relationship with a lot of complicated pieces. Stories that show that sometimes love is all you need. Lives Less Ordinary love stories from the BBC World Service. Listen now. Search for Lives Less Ordinary wherever you get your BBC podcasts.

From the publisher

When magazines first emerged, they were the preserve of an elite who could afford to pay for them. But as time went on, the cost of paper fell, printing technology became more streamlined, literacy improved and would-be publishers spotted an opportunity to connect with audiences hungry for information and entertainment.

Magazines found a place to appeal to all types of interest, in the same way that the internet does today. In their heyday they attracted some of the best writers such as Charles Dickens and Ernest Hemingway, sometimes acting as a vehicle to establish literary careers. Later magazines were to become the go-to place for quality photography and design.

Falling advertising revenues have largely contributed to the decline of printed magazines, as well as editions moving online. However some titles have found a way of reinventing themselves in the 21st century.

Iszi Lawrence is joined by a panel of guests to discuss the rise and evolution of magazines. Usha Raman is a professor in the Department of Communication at the University of Hyderabad in India, who began her career in magazines, writing and editing a variety of publications. She's also the owner and editor of a specialist magazine for teachers.

Samir Husni is the founder and director of the Magazine Media Centre in the United States. He's also written many books, including Inside the Great Minds of Magazine Makers.

And Tim Holmes is a former magazine editor, writer and until his retirement, leader for many years of the magazine journalism course at the University of Cardiff in the UK. We'll also hear from a variety of Forum listeners from around the world, who share their thoughts on magazines.

Produced by Fiona Clampin for BBC World Service.

(Photo: Newspapers and magazines on display at a newsstand on January 31, 2010 in Khan Market New Delhi, India. Photo by Rajkumar/Mint via Getty Images)

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