400 Trillion to One: Why Your Perspective is Stalling Your Progress

23:36Completely. The whole thing. Because that's completely fear. Based on fear.

23:40Dr. Mark Hyman:It's true, but... You must also hate parenting. You must be the biggest descendant of parenting, period, because the entire structure is 90 % fear-based. Well, I don't think that's a good way to raise your kids is terrifying. Nor do I. But I think what's really interesting is I think instead of going into this portal that we're not in control, what we need to have a bigger conversation about is accountability. Yes, we can't. Because if you're selling food fix, then you better really also in equal parallel understand that targeting, like we're talking about one in the same game, right? In the fact of like the unlock to all this actually is starting to get into an ecosystem where we do feel in control.

24:21Dr. Mark Hyman:Yeah, absolutely. I'm just fascinated by the confusion, but I know it's grounded in emotional issues and like, sometimes people hit me up and they're like, all right, so what do I do about it? I'm like, well, if you can afford it, therapy's a good idea, right? Get it out, work on yourself, like fight, fight. You have a life. This is 400 trillion to one. 400 trillion to one is the odds of being a human being like literally your mom might have just got up for another glass of wine and you wouldn't even exist

25:02why don't people think about that shit

25:11the miracle of life is fucking insane to the nanosecond. And so, people are just interesting. If you're in this room right now, your life is better than you think.

25:31That, I promise you. Of course. They have you on stage. It's not that. You could even be here. You could be here. Right? No, I think people lack gratitude. They just do. People are just worried about what they don't have versus realizing what they have. And I loved when everyone's like, oh, now that COVID hit two years ago, oh, now I'm gonna be grateful. Shit, this is really gonna wake me up. I didn't really, fuck that. Everyone's crying about dumb shit again. And we're not even done with this shit.

26:09People need rewiring perspective. I'll give you one that can help. A lot of times I talk like this, they're like, all right, give me something. Here you go. I'll help you so much. This is real talk. Write down a piece of paper. Old school. Fuck notes on the iPhone. Paper. Write down a piece of paper the people you spend the most time with. Then look at it and score them on positivity and negativity. If they're the most positive, they're a 10. If they're negative, they're a one, the most. And anything in between. Look at it and spend less time with the people that have low scores.

26:48I'm not saying cut your mama out.

26:54I'm saying limit it a little bit. If your mother is the most negative person in your life, don't talk to her six times a day. Talk to her once every two days. That's just the way life is. You are the byproduct of the positivity and the negativity that you consume. the end

27:17it's real it's super real it's like the exercise thing it's not comfortable to like limit your interaction with your older brother or your best friend but that is the answer of the road towards more good stuff more positive people in your life more negative people in your life you're in control all the best things people like gary that's hard i'm like the good shit is hard the good shit is hard it's so interesting that we talk about how businesses are being incentivized to follow consumer behavior like my brain i'm an entrepreneur when i heard that i'm like oh i'm gonna i want to open a fresh market there like this is a really interesting conversation about the right balance of policy versus entrepreneurship and it all leads to just education.

28:12It's just macro awareness. What I'm so passionate about of what you're doing, both in your pocket and what we're doing right now, it's just awareness, right? I'm even weird at that. It's crazy how placebo or awareness, I'm feeling weird to even drink this coffee. You can drink your coffee. No, no, but actually I'm saying it in a good way. I get the feedback from a lot of people, I'm listening to you over and over and I'm actually now not enjoying negative people around me and I'm like shit, that's what I need to do for myself around my weekly, like if I just kept listening to you, I would like, that's real life actually.

28:43Yeah, right. Like to me it's like how do we get things to actually happen? Actually happen. And I actually think that we need to.

28:50Dr. Mark Hyman:How do we get people to change their behavior? I think good intent people like you and I think a lot about making something good happen, right? It's just like in us, it's just our DNA, the luck of the DNA draw. We want it, it feels good. The admiration, the legacy, like it's the behavior that we run it, right? I understand it, I have my own slight version of it in a different place. I think we think a lot about systematic scale, right? We spend time thinking about systems and I'm listening to you. Like if she doesn't have access, like I get it. Ironically, what I'm proposing for debate and conversation is what if, because we've watched that happen for the last 70, 80 years, that American conversation around systematic.

29:28And I'm like, hmm, I wonder if we also really start thinking about on an individual basis level too.

29:36Dr. Mark Hyman:We have to. I mean, it's individual, but it's also structural, right? For sure. If 60 % of the calories in America are ultra processed food that kill 11 million people a year, it's because a government is funding the growth of those crops, corn, soy, and wheat that are turning into processed food. But instead of fighting 187 versus one, if we started disproportionately over focusing on it, by the way, if you fucking think Burger King gave a fuck about that Whopper until the customer started carrying, that's what I'm saying. That's why I'm excited because I think the individuals making change in their Lord and having that voice drives businesses to change their products.

30:10They don't give a shit. They just want to do what the customer wants.

30:15Dr. Mark Hyman:Well, that's right. And that's why it's so empowering in this book because people actually can do a lot of things that drive the marketplace, that drive what food companies are doing, that drive their own health to be better. And what are you the most optimistic about? I guess now, would you say in the next year or two years that you're seeing out there? People. I'm the most optimistic about humans. I think the most ridiculous branding in the world right now is how underestimated human beings are. I mean that. I think humans are underrated. I think a lot of people try to push that we aren't, but I think we're pretty fucking remarkable.

31:03People are resilient. People, there's so much good going on right now, you don't even know. So I'm most optimistic about people. As far as if you're going more granular, which is I think where you might have been going, I'm incredibly excited about the consumer blockchain. I think people are completely missing the boat on what NFTs actually represent. I think people don't realize that they're deploying in their internet perspective on the blockchain. All the jokes of like, well, I can just right-click and save the NFT. I love, it makes me laugh because I'm watching a lot of my 20, 30, and 40-year-old friends become their parents.

31:41How so? Well, they're like, NFTs are scams. This is it. It's the same shit that your folks told you about the internet. Get off that computer. It's stupid. That became your career. I'm not getting an iPhone. This Blackberry, I need the buttons. I gotta touch that shit. People always say no to the new. And that's where the opportunity is. And so I'm incredibly optimistic and opportunistic and focused on the consumer blockchain because it will change the world. And if you're in the title business, you better be real scared. What's an underrated, terrible thing all of us are doing? Like something kind of unusual, like you're in this world, like give me like a, oh, you think this is decent, but we're getting, like what's a thematic that you're, like for example, I'm very undereducated in this, but like all the new like bars that seem healthy.

32:30Let's talk about plant-based meats.

32:33Dr. Mark Hyman:Good, there we go. Because that's a big one. That's a good one. I'm excited. I knew this was a good question. This is a great question. Get them. Get them, doctor. So we all want to do a good thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We hear that the cows are the equivalent of the atom bomb destroying the planet with their methane burps and the whole factory farming, which is true. Yes. And that should be banned. Yep, get them. And the alternative is plant-based meats. So you're down on those two things. Well, let me explain. I know you're going to it. I'm going to allow you to, even though I like to interrupt.

32:59Dr. Mark Hyman:I am down on industrial processed food. Which those two are. Those two are. I'm not looking to make headlines here. I'm just trying to be educated. It's a little bit better because it's pea protein. And it's a little bit different than the GMO soy. But the GMO soy is grown in a way that's destructive to the environment, that destroys the soil, that puts glyphosate, which is extremely toxic, causes cancer and destroys your microbiome, into the food. And it has 47 novel proteins that have never been tested in humans. it's got a strange form of yeast. I know nothing, but I hear 47 never tests on humans.

33:30I'm already like, that's not.

33:32Dr. Mark Hyman:And I'm like, and they're promoting it as a health food. If you want to not eat meat and you want to try it once in a while, fine. It's not going to kill you. But if you make it a staple, there's 110 times the amount of glyphosate in an impossible burger that would be required to destroy the microbiome of animals. And glyphosate is Roundup. Back to a common man. Go ahead. So it's Roundup, which is basically a weed killer that you got in your burger. and that is real harmful effects. And it does reduce the amount of climate change contribution compared to a factory farm burger. But if you look at regenerative burgers, which is cows that are grass finished and grown in certain ways that restore the land, restore everything, a regeneratively raised burger, based on a life cycle analysis of both of those, would reduce carbon by three and a half kilos of carbon per burger versus the impossible burger adds three and a half kilos.

34:20Dr. Mark Hyman:So you'd have to eat one meat burger to offset the plant-based burger in terms of carbon emissions. What is it? Regenerally-based burger. Regenerally-based burger. Yeah, which is basically grass-fed, but grown in a way that actually restores the soil, restores the ecosystem. And you earlier mentioned that the cost of that product is not very prohibitive? No, you can get it much cheaper. Yes, now it's not as prevalent. It can be scaled. Blockchain's coming after you.

34:45How so? It eliminates the need for you. Oh, wow. It's a ledger with decentralized servers. Needing nobody. Owned by nobody.

34:58Boom.

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35:48There's a few of them in the crowd. it's just it's real and my big thing is like that's not bad that's the opportunity technology doesn't give a fuck about our feelings you think technology cared about you think technology cared about blockbuster you think blockbuster cared about movie theaters i love when people cry about some new shit after like after they were the ones that killed the last shit

36:20I love when people get into a certain part of their career where they want to slow it down but then they're mad at the youngsters who are hungry you like that one? it's true right? they're like this is some bullshit I'm like you did that 30 years ago I love when the old lion dies to the new one I can't wait to people crush me that's the game that's why I have so much disrespect for old entrepreneurs that try to pay politicians to change the rules. They're fake entrepreneurs. You're an old dog. It's time for you to get killed.

36:59You will not see me in my 70s and 80s use all my power and money to try to change the rules. I will be honorable and ready for the next ninja to kill me. People make decisions based on their best interests in the short term. I'm sorry you don't want to do the 60 hours of homework required to understand what the blockchain is, but I'm not going to cry for you when you get destroyed.

37:25Merit. That's my favorite thing.

37:32So I've never thought of it as waste. I always thought of it as an opportunity for me to deploy my happiness on another person that was clearly in a very tough spot. At this point in my life, I can't respond to the majority of it because the numbers are just outpacing the actual hours in a day. But I get a lot of enjoyment of interacting with people that are very mean to me because I always dream that showing that level of compassion and kindness back to them might be the seed that shows them that there is goodness and it's possible and might be the beginning of them getting out of that place.

38:14yeah i mean i think you know but i don't think i kill them with kindness i think of it more as i motivate them with empathy i'm not worried about anybody loving or hating me so i'm not killing them with kindness for me i'm trying to show an act of kindness with the hope that it might trigger an opportunity for them to build the u.n said that if we do this type of

38:38Dr. Mark Hyman:agriculture and we take two million of the five million degraded hectares of land around the world and turn into regenerative agriculture which would cost 300 billion dollars which is less than we spend in medicare on diabetes every year and basically the military spends on the entire world for 60 days that we could stop climate change for 20 years just simply by doing uh that form of agriculture so we we if we buy those things we're going to be pushing and that's why nestle's who's Who's stopping the growth of regenerative? Like who's against it? Nobody is growing like crazy. Nestle and Danone, General Mills, they're all pushing this.

39:11Do you believe this is just a matter of time? Oh, it's just a matter of time.

39:13Dr. Mark Hyman:This is going to happen. There's so many - And so you care on an individual basis, right? Like you care for the ones like me at 44. It's like, hey, the six year olds are gonna benefit from this because it's gonna be the thing. Wake up, you can get some real benefits from it if you get on board. I mean, we have 60 harvests left to food according to the UN because of the way we're destroying the soil. Like we've lost most of our topsoil. It's a huge contributor to climate change. It can all be fixed by choosing to buy foods and driving the marketplace with your choices towards regenerative agriculture.

39:42One of the great things of being good with negativity is you're also then good with positivity. I get way more love than I get hate. And it's actually very dangerous to believe it. When everyone is telling you you're the greatest of all time, there's something very scary that can happen in that. You could lose your humility. One of the great things about not hearing either is you just stay in your spot. You know, one of the reasons I like about the fact that I put both fingers in my ear and I just go is really not about being able to deal with hate. It's actually being able to control the love so that it keeps me in a humble place instead of getting high on my own supply.

40:25Do you feel like you're excited because there's a lot of things that people are thinking about. And if you can use the human on the other side that's listening right now, if she or he is excited about climate change, that you can use that as the gateway for them to be healthier. It can be climate change. It can be their own health.

40:44Dr. Mark Hyman:It can be caring about social justice. It can be caring about our economy. You don't give a shit. You just want them to be better. I want people to understand the situation we're in and take action and realize how powerful they are to make a difference, but also how they need to use their fork and vote with their fork. They need to vote with their voice. They need to vote with their wallet need to vote with their vote And I think people are apathetic, but we have so much power. Do you mind sharing the last time you kind of lost your cool? Oh, I can lose losing my cool is like fun

41:17You know, I mean look one of the reasons I can really associate with other human beings is because of the Jets And I'm being dead serious right now. This is very real I am so zen the fuck out even on my high like it's really funny because I'm such a high energy character it's like it takes you have to like actually really know me to be like oh what the fuck is going on like he's just like right? and that's why I could do so much and that's why so much is going on but in football land I'm actually the reverse I'm completely irrational I'm completely emotional I'm incredibly unhappy well I love the Jets because I love the climb and the process.

41:57But the reason I can understand how people act is probably because of my state. Because it's real. It's not like I'm manufacturing it. I prefer not to. But I'm genuinely unhappy. And I'm incredibly envious. I fucking hate Buffalo right now. The whole city. Like, fuck Buffalo. They lost, don't worry. Fuck you, Buffalo. And the fucking happiness I had when they lost that game to the Chiefs. Like, just joy. Which is similar to when somebody is unhappy and they tear you down and when they see you misstep, they're happy. I'm that as a football fan, but that's fake life. That's sports. People live that real life.

42:41They want you to misstep. Jealousy, envy. It's devastating. It's such a bad place. I mean, I hate Boston. All of them. Like every person that lives there hate me And so when I see the blue red shit I understand it I'm like oh no people do what I do in fake sports life in real life and that's why I'm like fuck I gotta figure this out cause it's bad cause I'm bad in football like I like I like wanna fight You know how some people in high school and college drank a lot and would fight and we'd call that beer muscles? I have sports muscles. Jets muscles? Yeah, I go to like Pittsburgh. I want to fight people.

43:32So I know what losing cool looks like. In business, it's incredibly, incredibly rare. If it happens, what I'm very good at is the second before it happens, I go off the grid so nobody feels it. There's been a couple times, I believe as the ultimate leader of my organization that me deploying fear or concern or unhappiness is something that is just not gonna be beneficial and I try to, and I think what I tend to do when I lose my cool is go into a hair of like condescending razz, right? So like I let my crew know when I'm upset with a little zing instead of like a explosion. And when I notice myself building up zing, I try to find a way to dump it.

44:26One of the things that I get fascinated by is when you were talking, I was like, ooh, there it is. And what you said was like, look, if you want it a couple of times, it's not gonna kill you, which we love to hear, right? We're like, I see, the doctor said I can eat this shit. Occasionally. And what is a lot of times, like once a week, once a month, once a year. Talk to me about something we should consistently eat. The reverse. What is a great thing that you can never eat too much of? Go. Is there such a thing? Or does every human have to be broken down and based on your own DNA?

44:55Dr. Mark Hyman:If you ate 20 pounds of broccoli, you'd probably get sick and your colon would stop up. I mean, it's all - 20 pounds of one shot? Yeah, one shot. No, because listen, I can eat a lot of broccoli. I'm like, about broccoli. Somebody can have a big gulp in one shot, right? That's 750 calories. You wanna eat 700 calories of broccoli, it's 21 cups of broccoli. Good luck with that, right? I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna take this clip. It's like, no, hot dog eating contest is a broccoli eating. A broccoli eating contest. I wanna have a broccoli eating contest. Is there, are fruits, are vegetables just like a winner?

45:29Dr. Mark Hyman:Yeah, that's unlimited. I say you get unlimited refills, you can eat all the vegetables you want until you can't eat anymore and you'll never get into trouble. God, I really like that. I really like vegetables a lot. Yeah. Hey, Gary. Yes, sir. I happen to be a baby boomer, 58, Friday, but my son, my 20, 30-year-old liberal millennial son has come to work for me. Yes. Those fuckers. I'm red. You got a mic. You got a mic. Okay. You're red. He's blue. Go ahead. I'm red. He's blue. Yep. And my wife says to me, how in the F is that going to work with him going to work? Thank you, Christine Beckwith.

46:10Dr. Mark Hyman:Anyway, the tough thing you brought up is working with those generation being different. And because I'm old school, I mean, it's like get in there, get the shit done. Yep. No excuses. I worked for a guy like that for 11 and a half years. My ass is all scar tissue today. And, you know, the change that we have to make to work with people like that. So what you brought up about working with the millennials, that's the thing some days I struggle with the most because I have to bite my frickin tongue or not say anything. or my two gals that work in my office will shut my door and say, don't bother him for a while, but just trying to adapt to that.

46:47And my kid's got, I mean, he's doing well, but it's just, sometimes you're like, it's just tough to understand the differences someday. Well, that's the way it's supposed to be. Like, did you, keep the mic, because this is powerful. Did you agree with what your parents thought? Hell no. Okay. Well, fuck. What do you expect, George? Right? It's the way it's supposed to be. And by the way, let the results speak. My dad didn't agree with anything I brought to the table. Well, what I did to him, I walked out of the office to get on a plane. I dropped 8 ,000 left. I said, get this shit done. Don't fuck it up.

47:23I'll see you on Monday. Surprise and delight me. Yeah, I mean, I'm not so sold that that's like the format that's going to win. Well, I was laughing when I did that. But when I called him today, he's like, I'm on deal five right now, and it was like, it actually had to be a conversation. Listen, you know this. There's such a different dynamic between father and son, father and daughter, you know, mom and son, mom and daughter. Like, that has a whole different dynamic than just being a boss to a different generation. Oh my God, yes. I'm a big fan that when you're the leader, you should quote unquote know better.

47:57When I ask you a question of, did you agree with everything in your appearance, and you say, hell no, like, then you should have the wisdom to have empathy towards your son not seeing it the same way. On the flip side, what I love about it is too many leaders and parents get too involved, but what they should do is get super uninvolved, don't micromanage, and let the results speak. And that's what I find that I pull back. When you pull back and let the results speak, if he goes and crushes and the math is there, well then guess what? and if he doesn't, then you get to deploy some fun words. Oh yeah, we have fun words.

48:37But where leaders mess up is they get involved enough where that person then can blame you. When my team sees it different than me, I am always in the calling their bluff business. I'm like, show me. I step away and by the way, it gives me tremendous joy when they crush and it works. and i do have a a sign up in my office that says do shit you love well then you should then live that saying and let them do it right because i get tremendous joy when my team does something differently than me that i wanted and it wins what's the best unlimited fruit is there such

49:19Dr. Mark Hyman:berries berries berries are good because they're low in sugar they're high in phytochemicals they're super nutritionally dense uh and i think uh you know we're we're in this moment in time where we have so many crises, there's so many silos, and there's so many problems, and people feel disempowered. There's climate change, and there's chronic disease, and there's the economic issues, and the social justice issues, and all these problems, the environmental issues, and all of them are linked by food. And that's where we have so much leverage that we can actually use to change the system, both on our own lives, in our families, in our kitchens, in our communities, but also acting politically.

49:52Dr. Mark Hyman:Why do you think that gay marriage is now legal? Why do you think their civil rights and women's rights. Why did abolition happen? Because people cared about it. It wasn't something that started in Congress and ended in Congress. It never starts in Congress. They're on defense. Self-serving. By the way, as they should. Humans. Humans don't bother me. Humans don't bother you? I love humans. I mean, I understand it. I think our biggest weakness, before you get to food, get a relationship with judgment, which will actually lead you to understand food. Our relationship with judgment, I don't talk about shit I don't know.

50:28How that manifests is when I'm talking, I'm like on it. So in my career, most of the shit when I talked, I may stay passive and be out and was wrong or right, but when I'm talking, I'm often right, which means often. I mean it, I stay out of the shit I don't know, but I'm in my shit. And so what often happens is when I am talking it, it turns out to be the way I said. There's something very powerful and I think you can use this. It's a double win. What too many people do when they think they're right is they try to force that person to do it their way. The move is to completely let go and let them go because when you're right, you're building equity that you know.

51:14I love when my team goes 0 for 6. When they do six things in a row and they saw that if they listened or followed the guidance or took the mentorship, it would have worked out better. By the seventh time, they're blindly bought in. But too many leaders mucks it up so they can blame you. Like if you didn't get involved because they don't want the accountability. So what you need to do is create a complete framework of freedom so they can be fully accountable. And then you can just say what? And then when they come with that bullshit excuse, you're like, fuck that. Individuals like you and I who are lucky enough to amass audiences have to have more thoughtful debates about things like, I promise you one thing, more than I know that the sun will come up tomorrow, telling 18-year-olds that they are lucky for the right to vote is a 70-year non-ex.

52:03No, I agree, but they care about their future.

52:05Dr. Mark Hyman:They care about climate change. They care about - They care about it on Twitter, but they don't want to go and register. We need to have this conversation. I think the question that we need to start talking about, both in food, and we've got a little more macro here, is what is the new, what's our off speed pitch? Because what we've separated into is two camps that no question, if we mix the two, there's a lot of good in it. And there's a lot of bad in both. And like, what's the new age way to like, like you've been doing this for 35 years. The consumer is starting to get you optimistic. It never was gonna come from the systematic change.

52:41Good news, 187 to one is about to be 213 to one. And you know it and I know it. So how are we going to fucking hack it?

52:49Dr. Mark Hyman:I actually am working on that. I have an elite group of Washington insiders who helped Bono launch the one campaign, which got 87 billions in appropriations for AIDS in Africa, where most lawmakers didn't give a crap about that. And they did it through being Washington insiders and knowing in a Machiavellian way how to manipulate lawmakers. I hate to say that, but they know what they need. They know what's in their constituency. They know what they're going to vote for. They know what they're not going to vote for. They know what their pain points are. They know what their issues are excited about.

53:18Dr. Mark Hyman:And so it's literally a very deliberate strategy. It's a nonprofit. And it's an advocate. So I started a lobby group because I was sick and tired of like having only the good guys be sitting around talking on the outside and not on the inside. In fact, I was with the guy who was the head of the Obama administration's food policy, Sam Cass. And he said, Mark, what was striking to me was every day people would come in from the lobby groups and they would have these briefing books with 50 different regulations and and legislative acts already written and all the justification, and they would give it to the lawmakers and they wouldn't be having time to figure it all out.

53:51Dr. Mark Hyman:So they would kind of follow along with it. And he said, and the whole time we were there, there wasn't one good guy who came in and said, we want to improve the food system and do this, an advocacy group for the good guys. So that's what we're doing. And I know - So you gotta play within the system. You have to do both. You have to drive a grassroots effort, which we're doing through a nonprofit, the Food Fix campaign, and we're doing it through the Food Fix Action. Why do you think that it's so hard for people to believe those macro doomsday things? It's hard. It's hard because it doesn't feel real.

54:19Dr. Mark Hyman:You look out, it feels good. Actually, you know where I just went? If somebody's listening can do this for me, can somebody pull up the articles that clearly must have been in the newspaper? I'm trying to think back. I need to understand the Black Plague more. I bring it up a lot. I'd like to understand what the articles were. The only comp I can think of that I've had conversations about this was Hitler, right? I've talked to people old enough, or who've studied enough, who can really physically show me the articles written, I'm like, yeah, it's not that big of a deal. It's gonna be okay, and then it did.

54:51I think what people need is a black and white example. To me, please.

54:55Dr. Mark Hyman:But I have hope because during World War II, this country came together to fight a common ending. It was sort of like the - It's what we're great at. Yeah, but it did it in a very interesting way. All the Americans had to turn their lights out at dark. All the Americans had to ration food. All the Americans had to have victory gardens. 40 % of the food produced in America was from victory gardens. The Americans gave so much in terms of sacrifice and reduction in their material benefits and their efforts and their money to help save the world. And they did it because they saw this common threat and enemy.

55:27Dr. Mark Hyman:We don't see that today. Let's stick here for a second, though. They also saw that their son was going to France. Yes. We have to figure out how to make this selfish. This noble, nobody turned off their light, they turned off their lights because John went to fucking war. And they were scared fuckless that their son was gonna die. Like we have to, as a good guys, we have to figure out how to make this shit selfish. Because this selfless act is gonna play out on Twitter and everyone's gonna look at everybody else and not vote. Like 90 % of my audience is under 30 and 80 % of them are not registered to vote right now.

56:06straight talk. What I'm doing right now is actually what I'm asking for all of us to debate more. Me making this conversation about this is the punchline, which is, I know that guilt doesn't work. Fear does.

56:19Dr. Mark Hyman:Fear works, right. Fear works, and I also know that what I love about you, and I've admired from afar, and why, listen, you're at VaynerSpeaker, we looked at a million names. I like people who populate information. I like that you're a human media company I like that you do a book I do books, I'm a digital guy I like that you do podcasts where I'm conversating with you because I respect you I read a hundred comments of fuck you Gary you talk about people I'd love to cry in my Bentley I don't have money because you don't know what crying in a Bentley looks like you have to change your perspective I spend my time trying to figure out the off speed pitch the people I admire the most you included that are out there are throwing fastballs.

57:05And I'm trying to figure out how to add to the repertoire. Because what I know is that we're talking down and it's not adding in results.

57:14Dr. Mark Hyman:Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure. And so I'm like, I'm trying to use this moment through our two energies to maybe populate something in my thought, hear you, listen, for you. What's our off-speed pitch? Because we need it. Because you know what's going to happen. Everybody knows people in their family, in their life who are sick. who are sick from food and who get it and who are suffering. And that's where the pain is for most people, whether it's mental illness. I mean, two days ago, one of my wife's good friends just committed suicide. I'm sorry to hear that. And we see, for example, in studies that kids who can switch from junk food to healthy food who are teenagers reduce suicide by 100 % and suicide is the third leading cause of death in teenagers.

57:58Dr. Mark Hyman:So we know there's so much suffering out there and if people got the connection between the food and all these issues, it's a big deal. Why are we having so much conflict and divisiveness? Because it screws up our brains and our ability to actually have the adult in the room. Our reptile brain is the reactive, impulsive, fighting, aggressive brain. That is not getting moderated by the adult in the room when there's a diet that's causing inflammation in the brain. This is a scientific fact. I believe you. So this on so many levels is important. The trend of the last decade where foods are positioned to look healthy but are just as unhealthy as, like I would argue listening to you, I'm like, oh wow, he must be more upset at a kind bar than a Snickers bar because the brand, and let's not just use those two, I'm just saying there's a very clear movement.

58:49You know, I decided to start losing, I got very, my first move was exercise and at least understand calories. It was that basic six years ago for me and now I'm evolving. And what was fun through that journey is like, oh, these are tricky. They look super healthy, but those are the same numbers I see on the stuff that's the shittiest of shit or supposed to be. That to me is actually a very interesting current state of the market where I think there's a lot of people listening right now that feel pretty decent about their choices.

59:19Dr. Mark Hyman:Yeah, I mean you can go to Whole Foods and get a lot of junk. Correct. It's got less preservatives, less toxic ingredients. It's packaged nicer. It looks like your fucking book cover, but actually on the data. But it can be full of sugar and starch and things that really make people not great. I mean, it's certainly better than what you're eating in a traditional grocery store, but it's not necessarily a health food. What have we learned about those European years where we didn't have as much of this kind of food, where it was more market and the bizarre? Like, what's that data show? The data is so clear.

59:50Dr. Mark Hyman:People who eat traditional diets live a lot longer. They feel better. There's less obesity. Diet. Explain that. I mean, it didn't come from a factory. It came from a farm. It's pretty simple. People ate real food grown in real soil. I mean, if you eat broccoli today, it's got 50 % less nutrients than it did 50 years ago in 1970 when I was 10 years old because of how we grow the food and the depletion of the soil. So we period. So I would say, where can I buy broccoli that is as good as the 10 year old you got? You can go to your local farmer's market and maybe find someone who's got an organic regenerative farm that's actually enriched soil because the soil is what makes the food healthy.

1:00:30Dr. Mark Hyman:It's what makes it taste good. I mean, I was just having dinner with a friend who just got back from Rwanda and said the soil was amazing. You know, 80 % of the people are farmers. They're subsistence farmers. The flavors, the juices, the colors were so amazing because it was actually food that was not industrial food, which is what most of us eat in the world now. For everybody who's listening, not watching, just a fun fact. when he asked me how old did you think I was, it was a really smart reason he asked that. I went even a little bit high because I knew what he was trying to do. If you're somebody, let me give the three people that might go with this.

1:01:01He looks fucking phenomenal. And so maybe one of the, you know, a lot of you are vain fuckers. And like, if you don't like all the other stuff, like you don't give a shit about the environment or life or anything else, and you just want to look better for longer, there's that. Well, there's that.

1:01:15Dr. Mark Hyman:Yeah, true. I mean, I, you know, I want to live to be 120. My friend David Asprey once left 180. I'm not sure about that yet. We'll see, but I did my biolog - You wanna go to 120? At least. My biological age, I'm 60, is 39. Is that true? Yes, I checked my telomeres. My biological age is 39. What didn't we touch on that you'd like to hit on before we get out of here? Oh gosh, I just want people to understand that, you know, it's sort of like, when you mentioned Nazi Germany, you know, imagine a Holocaust cost of people dying every year. We're just not paying attention. Everybody's freaked out about coronavirus.

1:01:52Dr. Mark Hyman:I love you for this. Keep going. I mean like 11 million people a year. I think that's conservative. And we're asleep. It's like we're like the Jews in Nazi Germany when they marched into Poland where my ancestors were shot to death in their home and in concentration camps. We're like that and we don't believe that this is happening. We're sort of in this dark space of visibility. And I just hope that people wake up to understand that they have power to change this, that this is not a joke. This is not a dress rehearsal, that our own personal interests are at stake, our ability to thrive and have healthy lives and our families to be healthy and not have them ridden by chronic disease.

1:02:35Dr. Mark Hyman:And the planet, I hate to say it, but we live in this thing and if you look from space, there's no borders anywhere. I mean, I literally was sitting with a guy two days ago on a couch who was the minister of tourism for Tahiti. And he said they are aggressively strategizing building and designing floating cities. Because in a few years, their entire countries are going to be underwater. Like, this is real, guys. Miami. Miami's got octopus in the parking lots. Miami. Yeah, Miami. The thing that is very clear to me, historically, is how do we make this selfish? Yeah, you're right. You're right. And what's interesting is your subject should not be as hard as other things.

1:03:14Dr. Mark Hyman:No. This one's pretty blatant. Like, do you want to live longer? That seems selfish. But for some reason, it's not connecting to the level that I think it should as somebody who's actually living that. So I'm like, hmm. Well, I think the understanding, I mean, in medicine, there's very little understanding that food is the biggest cause of these chronic diseases. And it's the cure. And I think most people don't hear from their doctors. They don't realize, oh, I have diabetes. I have heart failure. I have autoimmune diseases. I have chronic digestive issues. I have headaches and migraines and this and that and everything.

1:03:45Dr. Mark Hyman:And they think, oh, this is just what I got. No, it's guaranteed most of it is caused by our crappy diet. So don't eat, like for all the basic guys and gals like me to wrap up, don't eat things from factories. Yeah. That's like a good one. If it was made in a plant, don't eat it. If it was grown in a plant, you can eat it. That's your little, do you have that hoodie? Do you have a hoodie that says that? No, that's from Michael Pollan. That's what you need. That's good. That's a good one. or I have another simple one. If you believe in God or nature, if you don't believe in God, ask yourself a question whenever you're gonna eat something.

1:04:16Dr. Mark Hyman:Did God make this or did man make this? Did God make a Twinkie? No. Did he make an avocado? Yeah. But you just told me an avocado potentially is so much shittier. So there's like a - Why is it not? Oh, well - You told me the broccoli is fucking way worse than 1959. Yes, it's true. We need to get back to a better food system to grow better food. But it's still better than a Twinkie. Fair enough. But like I'm lucky enough to live in New York City and back to your story of like two buses, that's hard. But the far majority of people listening right now have options. So for us that do have options, how do we need to think about the thing?

1:04:47I'm like, yeah, God made that banana, but that's a, but like, let me tell you when I actually first started paying attention. I'm like, out of nowhere, a decade ago, I'm like, I don't remember blueberries being this big. Like when Barry Bonds and McGuire started hitting homers, I'm like, you know, these fucking blueberries They're big as fuck.

1:05:09Dr. Mark Hyman:Yeah. And I'm like, they must be taking steroids. 100%. So what about that? Talk to me about that within the broccoli and the blueberries that look like fucking the Hulk. Well, you know, most of our crops are gone. We had literally hundreds and hundreds of species of plants. We had hundreds of apples, varieties of apples. Now there's basically three plants that we eat, corn, wheat, and soy, that's 60 % of our calories. And there's about 12 plants that make up the rest of our diet. And most of those are grown in ways that are for shelf stable or for transport or for, you know, size and not for flavor and not for nutrition and not for actually health.

1:05:44Dr. Mark Hyman:And I think that's why we're seeing this sort of our depleted diet. And when you go to a foreign country, you go to their markets and you see stuff you never saw. You see foods that look so strange. You see incredible flavors. I mean, even like the fingerling potatoes, David Boulay, who's a chef here in New York, brought them from Peru. People are like, what is this? But it turned out to be so much more nutritious, so much more flavorful. You know where this is going, right? War. So good. New spring arrivals are at Nordstrom Rack stores now. Get ready to save big with up to 60 % off Rag & Bone, Mark Jacobs, Free People, and more.

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1:06:54No, really. Stop. You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side. Ba-da-ba-ba-ba. And participate in McDonald's while supplies last. Like I hear you talking right now. I'm like, fuck. I hope this doesn't happen during my watch. But like if this is how it's going to be, this is going to be a resource war game. And we're going to be like, you know, this is just what happens. Yeah. No different than gold. And like, this is just what's going to happen. I mean, honestly.

1:07:20Dr. Mark Hyman:No, I mean it. You're right. You're right. I mean, we have no idea. You have no idea how bad it is. Because the way we're growing food is destroying our ability to grow food. Why? Because it causes climate change. It degrades the soil. and so the food insecurity issues are gonna be huge. And then the climate refugees, the Syrian refugee crisis was a million Syrian refugees. We're talking, according to the UN, 200 million to a billion climate refugees within a few years. Like what are we gonna do with all those people? That's gonna create political instability, that's gonna cause war, that's gonna cause violence.

1:07:52Dr. Mark Hyman:I mean, they're coming over here. I mean, we've gotta figure this out. Final point, if people are buying what you're putting down, is this, I'm a simple man, is this like, hey, get a little more educated on how you can eat from farms or things. Yeah, there's really something. On foodfixbook.com, there's a downloadable action guide. All the 20 actions you can take to make a difference for yourself and your food system. And if you want to get politically involved, how to do that, what to advocate for. If you want to go in your schools and get your schools eating healthier food, how to do that. If you want to go to your local community city council and say, we want a composting ordinance in our town.

1:08:29Dr. Mark Hyman:There's simple things you can do as individuals that make a huge difference. And we're seeing it. I mean, when I saw that Burger King ad, I was like, yes, you know. Do you fast? I do. How often? Well, I do maybe an actual whole day fast, maybe once a month. But I usually do what we call time-restricted eating, which is within an eight-hour window. So I'll sort of eat dinner, finish by seven. You can eat by 11 the next day. It's not that hard. And what that does is it activates all the repair and healing mechanisms in your body that slow aging, that lose belly fat, that build muscle, that increase your cognitive function, that build bone density, that reduce inflammation, that activate your antioxidant systems.

1:09:10Dr. Mark Hyman:So it's a powerful tool that is not about changing what you eat, but changing when you eat. So the 11.30 p.m. hardcore big dinner and the 6 a.m. donut. Bad news. Bad news. Don't eat three hours before bed and make sure you give yourself a... I mean, why do they call it breakfast? break fast but if we eat all night long then even wake up we're not doing that you believe breakfast is the best meal of day you can do the time restricted eating anytime you can do it from 6 in the morning until 2 in the afternoon that just made my fucking day what are your final thoughts my final thoughts are be nice be fucking nice

1:09:55and on that note if you're like really self-aware and be like, fuck, I'm really not there. It's because you're not in a great place yet. And you can be. So be nice to yourself first. It's okay if you suck at shit or if you're not fully there. Good news. That's because of the way you grew up. Environment, parenting, DNA. Don't be hard on yourself. Just take a step back, take a deep breath and start trying to chip away at it. One fucking interaction, one conversation at a time. you could be so fucked up for 42 years and still live the best life ever it just started up it's true it just starts at 43 you can do this you can absolutely do this but it takes the work I love you see ya thank you everybody if you enjoyed this podcast please go back and look at the prior episodes they're loaded I appreciate your attention and thanks for being part of this journey see you later