In short
Building self-esteem and confidence through perspective, lack of entitlement, accountability, and rejecting identity-based validation (boos/cheers, likes/followers, bandwagon success). Confidence is framed as process-based happiness, not ego.
Guests
Gary Vaynerchuk (host/primary speaker). No other named guest appears; the “Gary” address suggests a co-host or interviewer, but no background is provided in the transcript.
Key claims
Upset is a perspective failure; happiness should be the “true North Star” over money/stuff. Entitlement is the enemy; give value without expecting return. Social media isn’t the cause—users choose what to consume; accountability matters. Ego is insecurity with makeup; confidence is not ego. Judgment at scale is projection; handle it by calibrating and focusing on your process.
Notable examples
Booing vs cheering at a basketball game; bandwagon sports fans as insecurity; dopamine from likes; “dumpster” origin story of Night Train Lane; “drill your wells” niche-business metaphor (Black Panther fandom); BMX kid seeing a drainage ditch as a terrain park; butterfly selfie moment.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Nature of Perspective
0:30 to 2:50
Gary discusses how perspective shapes happiness and the importance of focusing on the process rather than outcomes.
“And I need to be hyper sensitive in my own self of articulating things that I'm unhappy about.”
Entitlement vs. Giving
2:50 to 4:50
Exploration of entitlement and the value of giving without expecting anything in return.
“And if you can keep perspective like you are in line, you are happy.”
Happiness as a North Star
4:50 to 7:00
Gary advocates for prioritizing happiness over material success and the dangers of chasing external validation.
“Well, anything that you place outside of yourself for happiness is going to be a dead end street, right?”
The Impact of Social Media
7:00 to 9:00
Discussion about the effects of social media on self-perception and societal pressure, emphasizing personal accountability.
“bandwagon fans and think that they're successful through their team's success.”
Generational Perspectives on Responsibility
9:00 to 12:00
Gary reflects on the importance of individual accountability in the face of societal pressures and modern parenting.
“with other humans which is like the core thing of why this all worked.”
The Need for Authentic Conversations
12:00 to 14:00
A call for deeper conversations that challenge surface-level judgments about social media's impact on society.
“and all that's understood, but fundamentally, it's your hand, it's your bottle, it's your corkscrew.”
Empathy and Perspective on Social Media
14:00 to 15:00
Discussing how historical experiences shape empathy and the need for deeper discussions around social media.
“who lived in the Soviet Union, who went through World War II, who saw some shit, and who lost her husband, and who had a, because I knew my great grandmother too, had a negative, negative mother.”
The Illusion of Being Broken
15:00 to 16:20
Gary emphasizes that people are not broken and encourages focusing on individual strengths.
“when people give some kind of diagnosis for every little thing and give some magical cure that's outside of someone's control.”
Building a Passion-Driven Business
16:20 to 17:30
Exploring how individuals can leverage their interests to create profitable ventures.
“Come home and start building your Dragon Ball Z eBay account by buying shit on Craigslist and flipping it.”
The Importance of Deep Effort
17:30 to 18:35
The necessity of deep commitment and effort in achieving success in any venture.
“It's almost like we all have the chance to drill our wells.”
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Perspective on Opportunities
18:35 to 20:40
Understanding how different perspectives can reveal untapped opportunities in life.
“You know, I had an interesting thing happen last night.”
Overcoming Adversity and Perspective
20:40 to 22:50
Gary shares insights on overcoming personal challenges and the value of perspective.
“I'm thinking I've already done it once here.”
The Value of Starting Points
22:50 to 24:20
Discussing how one’s starting point impacts their journey and success.
“It's not the kid in the hood that saw me with, you know, Gunna and they think I'm cool now and they're like, how do I get other, it's kids that are trust fund babies who are sick.”
The Role of Judgment in Society
24:20 to 27:30
Analyzing the prevalence of judgment in society and how it affects individuals.
“Well, you just, if you start on third and a half base, you better fucking hit it 500 feet and keep killing it, right?”
Redefining Ego
27:30 to 28:00
Gary presents a compelling insight on ego being insecurity disguised, emphasizing the need to redefine it.
“And honestly, I wanna push so against it.”
Understanding Ego vs. Confidence
28:00 to 29:08
Learn how ego is linked to insecurity and the importance of differentiating it from true confidence.
“So we need to redefine ego, because when people hear ego, 40 % of it are like, yeah, but the fucking ego, they think there's a lot of good with that.”
Navigating Criticism and Trolls
29:08 to 31:06
Discover how to handle negative comments and the importance of valuing your own process over others' opinions.
“Like I read this shit sometimes and I'm like, and honestly, I mean it, I'm like fuck man, I feel bad.”
Childhood Memories and Identity
31:06 to 33:26
Explore the impact of childhood experiences on personal identity and how they shape current ambitions.
“a little bit by the comments and you get angry.”
The Pursuit of Happiness
33:26 to 36:05
Uncover the relationship between living in the moment and achieving true happiness.
“And then slowly, yeah, I leaned into basketball, I leaned into the girls also did for sure come.”
Chasing Moments vs. Being Present
36:05 to 39:56
Discuss the balance between capturing moments and fully experiencing them without judgment.
“And I have enormous ambition to redefine it.”
Breaking Free from Identity Traps
39:56 to 42:00
Learn about the power of not judging yourself and breaking free from societal expectations.
“No, I'm putting out my perspective, filter that through you, take the good that works for you from that, leave the shit that you don't like.”
Empowering Self-Acceptance
42:00 to 43:32
Discover the importance of self-acceptance and the myth of having life figured out.
“If I genuinely in my soul feel it, I can't wait to go build fucking sandcastles in Peru for the rest of my life.”
The Trap of Financial Obligations
43:32 to 45:58
Learn about the dangers of financial commitments and their impact on freedom.
“What, getting a job in an accounting firm when you're 23, you figured it the fuck out?”
Embracing Vulnerability and Transparency
45:58 to 48:04
Understand the power of sharing personal struggles and the liberation it brings.
“I think purebred entrepreneurs love freedom.”
The Future of Human Behavior
48:04 to 50:18
Explore the anticipated shift towards transparency in human relationships and societal norms.
“through this feedback, why I realize a lot of times it's actually sympathy, not empathy, and I'm trying to learn all these things.”
Life's Continuous Journey
50:18 to 53:14
Recognize that life is a continuous journey of growth, not a race to have it figured out.
“Go pay attention, this is such a good analogy.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Go pay attention to this. Go to a basketball game. Watch the home team go on a terrible run and pay attention to who boos and who cheers. Very interesting insight and that's what happens. When you sent that email, there were people that booed. Sure. And then there were the real fans that cheered. Yeah. And that's how I see it. And so why is everything that's happening in your life the definitive end score? It's a process. This is the Gary Vee Audio Experience. Gary what's up my man life is good brother it is good isn't it yeah that's one of the fucking things that you know I've had the opportunity to get to know you not only in the professional context but also just as a homie and people always ask me like what's he like what's he like and I have to say man you're fucking happy like there's no doubt about that yeah you know you were like one of the busiest and happiest people like if you would turn the dials of both of those things up a lot of times those things don't coincide but for you they do and i think the thing that i'm conscious of is off the screen i'm real happy too right like you know i think something one thing that's really been interesting is as as awareness around an individual grows a level of responsibility comes along with it i'm definitely i'm at a point right now where i'm really am being thoughtful of like look there's a lot of eyes on me and a lot of people who are are not happy are putting their eyes on me and I'm helping them through that.
1:29And I need to be hyper sensitive in my own self of articulating things that I'm unhappy about. But what's been really interesting is I've been really on this kick for six or nine months. I'm struggling to be unhappy because I've come to realize it's unbelievable how simple my life is. if I genuinely wake up in the morning and eight to 10 people are actually still alive, I'm just struggling to be upset about stuff. I don't know what else to say. I struggle with, my perspective on life is very simple, which is it's such a blessing. It's so rare, you know. Last time we were here, I made a video with you guys, and in there I talked about the 400 trillion to one and that micro piece of content which I've chopped up and used.
2:28It's one of my most successful piece of content ever. Happened in this building a couple years ago. And I've always internalized it. I finally articulated it a couple years ago, and I continue to internalize it, which is I am happy because I'd like to understand, I'd like somebody to sell me on what to be upset about. Well, it's a failure of perspective when you're upset. It's a failure of perspective. It really is. And if you can keep perspective like you are in line, you are happy. I'll tell you what's really emerged. Entitlement. I was parented in a really, and my circumstances put me in a place where I just don't think anybody owes me anything.
3:07Not society, not the government, not people I do nice things for. That's a killer. Yeah. People struggle so much when they do something nice for somebody, they think that person owes them something. I'm desperately trying to give more value to every person I ever crossed paths with and never ask for anything in return. That is literally the framework of my life. My great hope is that I can bring more value to people than they bring to me and I'm never in a dire situation where I ever have to ask for anything in return. Well, you keep yourself in that abundance state, right? So you're not in need.
3:41You're not desperate. You don't have the expectation. oh, I'm giving this transactionally so that I receive this. And then when those expectations aren't met, then you have the hangover of that expectation, the sadness that comes from chasing that thrill of hoping to get something and then it failing. Instead, if you just give and have the act of giving be the gift itself, like, oh, I helped this person. And I'm in that in a lot of ways. That's right. And then it's the same reason I'm an entrepreneur. Being an entrepreneur is the win. and I believe we're living through a great era right now where people are looking for the money and the things you can buy with the money from entrepreneurship and that is why I believe that in the next decade there will be an enormous conversation of people being unhappy entrepreneurs during this generation.
4:28Because it is so in the air in your Instagram stream success and the perception of success and I've really started to articulate something that feels really true to me, which is how do I, you know, I can only be responsible for myself. I hope it encourage others, but how do I start making happiness the true North Star, not money? I don't know what to say. Like not stuff. Well, anything that you place outside of yourself for happiness is going to be a dead end street, right? Because that thing is something that you'll have to constantly chase. That'll be the rabbit that keeps you on the greyhound track, always running around.
5:11Oh, if it's money, well, then you're going to need more money when you get money, and you're going to need more and more and more, and you'll keep feeding this thing, rather than recognizing that happiness lives within us as soon as we acknowledge it. And for everybody who's watching right now, do not confuse this for a lack of ambition. I'm ambitious as fuck. I just, you know, I just am really happy with the process, and I'm also super weirdly happy with losing. Cause that's the process. I lost to you in pool and in, what is that thing again? Sauce. Sauce. I beat you in free throws and darts.
5:48I'm sitting here and I only wanna play sauce and pool. And I think there's something in that, right? The Rangers, New York Rangers and the Yankees have won world championships during my fandom. The Knicks and Jets have not. I do not watch the Rangers and Yankees anymore. I'm die hard on the other two. I'm in it for the process. Like I watched, I was at the airport, I told you off camera I took a red eye, which I'm trying not to do for my own body and like rest and all that, but I did. And I was in San Francisco and the Warriors game is on. And I actually just don't consume a lot of like stuff in general, but like I was watching this Warriors game And I grew up in the kind of like tech boom of 2005 through 11 and I'd go to San Francisco a lot.
6:38And when I tell you not one fucking human in San Francisco knew who the Warriors were in 2005 to 11, not one. And I'm watching this game, it's the end of the game, and I'm watching these fans celebrate. And there was just this wild feeling going through my body of almost like a really funny mix of like, I don't know, I find it crazy when people become bandwagon fans and think that they're successful through their team's success. Yeah, they use the word we when they're talking about a pro team. Yeah, and I do that as well, you know, so I don't want to be a hypocrite, but I'm literally talking about you don't like the team or care about it, then they start winning championships and you're going to games and then you're making fun of like hardcore Houston Rocket fans and I watch this play out on social and like in culture.
7:28And I'm like, I don't know, I just, I think a bandwagon sports fan is one of the great tells of somebody who's insecure. And it's just something that has always run through my mind. Literally, when I think about the Bulls fans and the Cowboy fans of my high school years in New Jersey, when they were good, just a lot of those bandwagon fans in my school are not happy or successful. Well, when you attach your identity to some other thing and then that identity makes you good, whether or not that thing is successful or not. So if your identity is a sports fan of X team and you only feel good about yourself when X team is there because it's like you had some fucking insight that made you smarter or made you better or made you something that your ego can latch onto is like, I am superior to something else.
8:12And if you're in it for that, well, you might get a thrill every once in a while, but you're going to have a lot of fucking heartbreak rather than being in it, as you were saying, being in it for just being a fan, whether you're winning or losing. The joy of being a fan is being a fan, and not to fucking win. It's crazy while you were just talking where my mind went. It went to people's social media profiles versus their actual truth. I am petrified that everybody is a PR version of themselves on social and that it's now a thing, like a sports team. It was really interesting where my mind just went.
8:45I'm like, fuck, that's what's happening. Those likes and those followers and that stuff, you really meditate on that? I mean, the amount that you get out of that, the dopamine, the validation. People are not posting because they're petrified for not to hit the metric of their prior post. Like literally humans are not sharing stuff with other humans which is like the core thing of why this all worked. Because they're worried that this picture of this coconut shake is not gonna do as well as the picture of them hiking and so they're literally not posting. I mean, to live a life predicated on your success and happiness is predicated on likes or followers in a social network is a very vulnerable state, but has always been our vulnerable state.
9:29Do not confuse this. This is not a social media problem, this is a human problem. It's the same reason that people buy Mercedes that they can't afford, or buy homes that they can't afford, or wear sneakers that they can't afford. Or, I mean, high school never really ends for 99 % of people. Well, that was that initial tribal impulse, that evolutionary biology that said, get along with the tribe, make sure the tribe likes you you won't get exiled and then the tribe will take care of you but now there's no actual tribe that's hunting for food and foraging for fucking berries but we've universalized it to social media and the entirety of the world so it can become this paralyzing thing that our brains which were used to the dunbar number which was 150 people the maximum amount of people that you could actually give a shit about in your tribe really is what the psychologists assume but now it's like everybody and that's kind of fucking overwhelming and i don't think we've really adapted and I don't think people are really keen to how much of that social pressure actually affects us.
10:28And the modern day parent is blaming the network not the way they're parenting their child. With extraordinary forces. I want to stay on this. I apologize. This is a very big thing for me. There is no social network. It's a platform. Everything on Instagram was done by a human. People are like Gary, I'm so crippled by this bullshit and I'm like delete Instagram.
10:54I'm really, really, really passionate about accountability. We need to put it in the right place. We don't need to look the other way where there's systematic issues, there are. But we have to put accountability on a pedestal. Back to lack of entitlement, accountability, much of a kissing cousin of lack of entitlement, is such a driver for me. Every time something happens bad, I'm like that's my fault and that makes me happy not sad it makes me feel empowered Hey everybody uh hope you're enjoying the podcast right now make sure you follow the podcast that's why I'm interrupting let's keep going on this show but follow the podcast it'll make my mom super happy I just really really really want people to stop blaming Instagram yeah there is no Instagram there's you you don't like it don't consume it it's free yeah I mean just the same as don't don't blame the wine.
11:50Don't blame the wine. You're the one who uncorks it. A hundred percent. You're the one who drinks it. And I understand that there's pressures and I understand that there's addictive tendencies and I understand the way that the brain works and I understand it's not easy and some people may have it rougher than other people and all that's understood, but fundamentally, it's your hand, it's your bottle, it's your corkscrew. You know, you can make a different choice. And if you need help making that different choice, fucking go get help making that different choice. It's still though, like I agree with you with that accountability.
12:16Like we have to remember that This isn't about nerfing the whole world and saying, oh, video games and fucking Instagram. It's all bad and it's ruining the kids. Like, no, these are extraordinary forces. So let's acknowledge those and let's just teach and coach and like help people out. Sugar is an extraordinary force. It is. It is. Right? Like, I think that's right. But I think right now we're in a very convenient state and everybody's throwing around judgment and blame like it's free. and we need to, I feel a huge sense of responsibility to articulate accountability, lack of entitlement and positivity because I believe in it.
12:56And I understand, by the way, there's a, you know, it's funny, there's a very interesting thing going on here right now which is there's an extraordinary amount of people that are content or happy, they just don't communicate. Right? Like negativity by nature is louder, has always been. Your grandmother who's miserable was louder than your grandfather who's content. The problem is now words are being documented at scale. This has always been the way. There's nothing different right now. It's just that we can't look at our grandmother's tweets. Fuck if we could. I mean my grandmother was one of the most super negative people I've ever come across in my life.
13:45in my life, just unbelievably negative. Everything was negative. Every good thing that happened was a conspiracy theory. And I used to be mad at her, and then I had to remind myself as I got older and more thoughtful, I'm like, this is a woman who lived in the Soviet Union, who went through World War II, who saw some shit, and who lost her husband, and who had a, because I knew my great grandmother too, had a negative, negative mother. and you become more empathetic as you become more thoughtful, but it doesn't take away from the fact that my grandma would've been spitting fucking venom on Instagram if that shit was around in 1957.
14:25You know, and so, like I think we need to get into some real conversations and right now the conversations are lazy. Social media's bad. It's Apple's job to restrict it. And that's cool, I'm like fine with a level of like platform and government involvement, I'm fine with that, but like you'll always be disappointed if you think some big force is gonna save you. You'll always be disappointed. So just solve it for yourself. That's what we, but that's, people make money off that idea as well which is one of the things that in the health world is really challenging to look at when people give some kind of diagnosis for every little thing and give some magical cure that's outside of someone's control.
15:07Like apple fucking vinegar or fucking celery fucking vinegar. like I see all this shit I'm like what the fuck well in anything it's like this thing is out of your control you can't fix it oh you're having a little trouble focusing don't worry we got you covered like you're broken you're broken like all the messaging coming across is you're broken we can fix you you're broken we can fix the end you know somebody yeah the end yeah and I'm like you're not broken you're not broken that's the secret nobody here is broken nope we all suck shit at a ton of shit, we all are actually good at a couple of things, spend all your fucking time trying to figure out what you're good at, and if God forbid one of those things is something you actually like too, you're off to the fucking races.
15:48And in 2019, when you can make a podcast or an Instagram account or a Shopify store around Dragon Ball Z and make 73 ,000 a year doing that, that's real, what I just said is real. That's fucking crazy that if you go pot committed, you have a job that you don't like, paying college debt that you're pissed about, but instead of coming home and having a beer and watching Netflix and playing fucking Fortnite to escape, I get it. You want to escape, I get it. What I'm saying is just take a step back. Listen to me for a second. Come home and start building your Dragon Ball Z eBay account by buying shit on Craigslist and flipping it.
16:29Start a podcast and go Dragon Ball Z episode one. here we are, da da da. Start an Instagram account around Dragon Ball Z. Build, build, build, build, build, build, build, build, if you fucking did that around, somewhere 12 years ago, loved Black Panther. Somebody did. It was a rare comic book. It wasn't the biggest of the world, but somebody loved it. But they didn't think that they could build a business about Black Panther. What they didn't know was 10 years later, Black Panther was gonna be made a feature film that was gonna completely penetrate culture. If she or he had a podcast and Instagram account that really was the nichiest of niche Black Panther fans, which made no fucking sense 10 years ago, but it had its 43 ,000 people that fucked with Black Panther, when that movie came out and had that huge marketing budget, that motherfucker would have gotten 50 ,000 bucks to market the fuck out of that movie on his Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter, podcast, blog.
17:25And that same person right now is still sitting in their cubicle making 79 ,000 a year hating life. I'm fascinated by that. It's interesting. It's almost like we all have the chance to drill our wells. And we drill our wells through our effort, through our sweat, through our focus, through our intensity. But the water table may be at 300 feet. So if we don't go deep enough, if we're just kind of casually fucking with Black Panther instead of really going deep and continuing to dig, we won't ever hit the water of being lucrative or the water of success. We may pull up at 200 feet. We may pull up at 250 feet and not get any water.
17:58And so there's no confusion. Somebody's gonna go 400 feet. The great thing is that we could all do it. The bad thing is we could all do it. So now you're competing with the world. You know, there's a lot of people that started wine videos in 2008 after mine popped. Every liquor store in America started their wine show. They just weren't good enough. Right? There's a lot of people trying to do Gary Vee videos on Instagram every day. A whole, whole, whole lot. A lot more of those than wine shows in 2008. but they're not good enough because it's not true. Yeah. Like, the only way to really win is to be true.
18:33You gotta be it, man. You gotta fucking be it. You know, I had an interesting thing happen last night. So yesterday I was out shooting hoops, so I could hopefully beat you today, which failed. I lost. By the way, when we replay the tape, I genuinely think after you drilled that first one, the subtle way I cast it back to make you move, and then we talked about it. And then I laughed. I really believe in that shit. It worked. I believe the majority of victories that I've had in physical sports things have been completely mental victories, non-physical-wise. Well, this is all right. So Gary throws the ball with the wrong spin, so I have to go reach for it.
19:06But I definitely actually soccer kick it back to myself. And actually what fucked with me too was, all right, I see Gary playing that trick. I know what it's supposed to do. But look at how smooth I was with that soccer kick. So I'm fucking patting myself in the back and I'm all in my head. Because the brain is the operating system. And what happened was, I stopped the ebb and flow of what was naturally going to happen. And then you are so in the brain, too, that you almost overcorrected. Yeah, totally. And away we go. And I pull off a stunning victory. Well, in my efforts to try and prevent that from happening, I'm out there shooting hoops in my backyard.
19:38And I've lived at this house for almost seven years. And in the front of the house, there's a drainage ditch. And the drainage ditch has some embankments. And it has some places where, like, the drain kind of has a tunnel. And I just would think, all right, this is the drainage ditch in front of my house. I never thought another thing about it. Well, yesterday, there's a kid on a BMX bike, and I'm out there shooting hoops, and he is just ripping through my drainage ditch, jumping over the things, hitting the embankment, riding it like a vert ramp, and then going back and, like, peeling out. And I was like, whoa.
20:06I never saw the front of my yard as a BMX fucking terrain park, but he did because that's what he does. Like, he was clearly, like, he is that dude. He was the dude who could see that as a terrain park. And whoever you are right now, wherever you are, you're the dude that sees something that someone else doesn't see that the owner of the fucking house never saw once. I had no idea. I was like, that's just the annoying part that if I fall off the driveway, I'll get stuck. But I didn't see it as a BMX terrain park. But we all have that ability. We all have something there. I'm such a fan of what you just said.
20:38Honestly, you know, usually when I go on podcasts or things that nature, I'm like trying to answer the questions. I'm thinking I've already done it once here. I'm listening. So I'm thinking of new things to say. that really stopped me dead in my tracks and I'm gonna tell you why. I'm obsessed with perspective. Like, I genuinely believe you find what you're looking for. If you are looking for bad right now, it's a piece of cake. If you're looking for good right now, it's a piece of cake. I'm just asking you what the fuck are you looking for? Like, please, it's just a very simple question. And by the way, I hate, in a lot of ways I hate the way I talk because it's super simple and I'm sitting right now thinking about the kid who's listening to this and she or he is in a room right now, ear pods in, listening to this and they're miserable because their dad's an alcoholic or their mom's this or like real shit, you know, like tough stuff.
21:28And they're like, ugh, it's so, like fuck you. It's not that simple. Yet it is. Like, you know, one thing I don't do well is talk about my problems, which manifests in many ways. It manifests in being taken for granted in my real life and in my collective life, my outward life, I got fucking problems. I got lots of problems, real ones. I grew up with lots of stuff. Like lots and lots and lots of stuff. I just am not capable of going into it. Like I don't get going, like I can't get there. And so one of the things that I try to remind kids, I'm like take me out of the equation. Like don't even use me when I'm saying these things.
22:09If you know of one person that has ever gotten to a happy place that dealt with your circumstance, there is a blueprint, the end. There have been people, Night Train Lane, legendary football player, was thrown in a dumpster the second he was born. Went on to be one of the great football players of all time, dated every actress in the game, was Red Fox's bodyguard, iconic gentleman. Dumpster. Like, there's all sorts of circumstances. And we all have our fucking dumpsters. Everybody's got a dumpster, bro. And you know who has dumpsters, I apologize. You know who has dumpsters? Kids that have too much.
22:48You wanna talk about who I'm actually getting hit up by? It's not the kid in the hood that saw me with, you know, Gunna and they think I'm cool now and they're like, how do I get other, it's kids that are trust fund babies who are sick. Listen, and I know this, I never judge somebody that comes from a shitty circumstance. I'm a cheerleader, I'm an underdog guy, right? I cheer that. I see, I meet you and we're friends and then like we're at a dinner party and my friend comes in and goes, you know who that is, right? Like that's the grandson of fucking Howard Hughes. I immediately judge that person.
23:18Nothing that person ever achieves I'll give credit to. That's me, that's actually how I see the world. I will not fully give credit to my own children because of that reason. I really, I'm being very transparent here. I would much rather in a world of the internet where the internet doesn't care who you are, I would much rather in 2019 come from too little than come from too much. Not in 1984, because there was no internet. And all those relationships and all that money really mattered. But I believe that we're living in a very funny time where clout, reputation, work ethic, a lot of different things are starting to be put on pedestals, not just money and earning your keep and who you are and what you're giving to the world.
24:00And I think we're living in a very interesting transition. Whatever you have, it changes your start position and that can be overwhelming, right? It's all about what you do with what you have from where you begin. And by the way, it's all perspective, right? For me, as somebody who takes so much pride in the process, I wouldn't have wanted to start on third and a half base. Somebody else listening right now is like, I'm pretty cool with it. Pretty pumped, pops. Well, you just, if you start on third and a half base, you better fucking hit it 500 feet and keep killing it, right? Or, by the way, but here's where it's really fun.
24:29Here's where it gets super interesting. Or not. And guess what? Who the fuck are all of us? You're on third and a half base and you end up on second and a half base, and what? And this is actually the punchline. I want, like actually if somebody's listening right now, if you're somebody who's like 50, 60, 70 and you started on third and a half base and ended on second and a half base, but you're pumped as fuck and happy for real, please email me. I'm really like, I just wanna know that insight because I actually think it's the reverse of me. What, excuse me, I think it's similar to me, which is what actually happens when you can calibrate judgment?
25:03I believe one of the biggest reasons that I'm one of the forefront faces of all this is because I can handle the judgment. How much hate I have. There's a video right now of a young woman doing a motivational speech. She crushed it. It's going a little viral on Twitter. I'm getting destroyed by the comments. They're like, yeah, fuck that Gary Vee guy. I know that's who you're making fun of. That hurts. And most people are folding their chairs when they get judged like that. I'm not because I know every one of those people who said that have never met me. I can handle judgment if you don't know me if Caleb and Nick Dio thought I was a dick face then I would have a real problem well then it's a truer reflection but even still it's not the truest we ourselves are the truest mirror of ourselves if we actually are fair and we actually look without the biases that we all bring then we're the only ones I mean Bodie Miller was someone who taught me that he was like if someone pumps your tires they don't know you if they congratulate you on that he would get congratulated on finishing a race and he didn't like the race he couldn't take that he's like well i didn't fucking ski at my best and he would ski his best sometimes crash or not finish well and everybody like oh sorry man he'd be like fuck you man like i fucking skied my best you know what i mean man like honestly like that just got me fired up about bodi i'm the same way man like like it's unbelievable how i just i do not take the accolades and i do not take the hate i'm just fucking in the middle i'm in my own head it's It's really a reflection of who's saying it.
26:30It's not even a reflection of you, it's their projection of you. You'll appreciate this? It doesn't even go that far, bro. Honestly, I've got ear pods in 24 seven. Can't hear shit. From my mom to a stranger, just don't hear it. I don't know what else to tell you. I'm in a very fucking place, a very interesting place on this. You know what it's driven by? Empathy. I know they don't know me. They don't know me. They just can't fucking begin to know me. Like I hate Scottie Pippen. I don't know Scottie Pippen. So I understand it. I fucking hate Scottie Pippen. I despise Tom Brady. And I actually know a lot of people that know him.
27:07It sounds like he's a fairly solid dude. I still fucking hate him. And so like, if I'm willing to do that, then everyone's willing to do that. And everyone gets permission to do that. And that's it. But I think judgment is on tilt. Judgment is like fucking, I'm telling you man, like that's all we're doing now. People are just fucking hot taking each other 24 seven, and 365, casting judgment at scale. Judgment is on tilt. Judgment is, has momentum. Judgment is the undertone right now. And honestly, I wanna push so against it. Or calibrate it. You know, like I'm just, I've lost so much momentum in judging somebody you can't imagine in the last five years.
27:46Everybody does it, it's a human trait, but like, mine doesn't get going anymore. Like I'm just like, I don't know anything about anybody. it's true it's hard enough to know ourselves let alone talking somebody else like to really have a clear view of us who was looking in the fucking mirror back at us like to really see that shit i mean that's hard enough work let alone somebody else another entire human being and all of the pressures and all the urges and all the things and the amount of hypocrisy people spit like just like oh fuck that guy look what he just did and like literally they did that shit yesterday like i just see it every day it's crazy like like i'm just shocked by people's ability to be such insane hypocrites well the ego needs to put them in a position where they feel superior the ego only judges itself in relative position so no matter what if someone's uncomfortable with their relative position they'll have to make a bro fucking adjustment we have to fucking redefine ego because for some reason a lot of alphas like to think ego's decent let me just explain this very very clear to everybody, straight up, from one man's point of view, ego is insecurity with makeup on.
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28:51So we need to redefine ego, because when people hear ego, 40 % of it are like, yeah, but the fucking ego, they think there's a lot of good with that. Do not fucking confuse confidence with ego. Ego is fucking insecurity, it is not confidence. It's fucking insecurity. Yeah, always, because it's always trying to put yourself in, as I said, not absolute position, not where you absolutely know who you are and absolutely know what you're doing and you're not fazed by other people it's all relative it's all based on some fucking delusional wizard of oz you know sorcerer game where you're trying to create some structure and some rule book for life itself in which this person is below you or this person had this advantage or this person had this disadvantage you know playing up your disadvantages is also another game like oh well i'm in the most disenfranchised group of the disenfranchised group of the disenfranchised group so basically i can't lose and you were in this in this enabled group i mean that's something that i get all the time my dad was a successful commodities trader he went insane before on it was ever successful and i never got a dime from him but some people will go look up my father oh he was a commodity straight look at this fucking rich boy of course you created on it and i'm like and then that's a way that they can put themselves business for my parents and get i fucking took 22 to 34, gave up my entire, this is insane to me in hindsight, gave up my entire best dude years to spend every minute in a liquor store to build a business for my parents, left at 34, had no money, so much so that VaynerMedia started in the conference room of Buddy Media because I had no fucking money to even pay rent and all that, you know, and a small percentage of people anytime I say anything is like, but daddy's liquor store or you know, and then it manifests, or he was given four million dollars.
30:39Like I read this shit sometimes and I'm like, and honestly, I mean it, I'm like fuck man, I feel bad. Like for that person to like want to say that because it makes them feel better that they're not willing to put in the work or they're unhappy or whatever is going on for them, that makes me feel like, you know, sympathy. Like honestly, like this is what I'm trying to tell people, this is a good topic. There's a lot of you out there that are happy, that are successful, and one of the things that's happening is you're putting out stuff and you're being crippled a little bit by the comments and you get angry.
31:10And we've created this term trolls. I don't look at it as trolls, I really don't. A lot of my friends back in the day were like, why do you feed trolls? I'm like, because I respect other people's points of view and I wanna learn from conversation. Like everybody now is just like trolls, trolls, trolls and any negative thing you get, people dismiss as hate, haterade, trolls. I fucking read that shit. I read it because I never wanna become a character to myself. I need to calibrate it, it definitely doesn't bring me down. I wanna understand it. It allows me to adjust and I have to adjust. We all have to adjust.
31:44I just think there's a lot of things going on in the system but I really wanna get people's minds more quiet because it is just one big game of are you valuing other people's opinions or are you valuing your own process? And just the validation from others is a no-win game and I don't know what happened. I mean, I know what happened. and parenting in circumstance and environment. In hindsight, my ability to navigate high school without peer pressure, which is what I did, straight up. It's been fun for my high school friends to be hitting me up on Facebook and stuff of that nature. They're just like, yeah, you really did do that shit.
32:18I just didn't give a fuck. I was selling baseball cards, and my sophomore year, you said something in the gym. You're like, I was into magic. So into it. And then you're like, and then I gave it up. And literally, where my brain was, I'm like, yeah, because you're a good looking dude and you got to high school, you're like, I'm not getting fucking bitches if I play magic. No, Gary, let me tell you how it actually went. I was playing. I had my little magic circle out in California. I used to play at this fucking Johnny's Pizza. And there was this one fucking kid who would just always beat me and take my cards.
32:45Whatever. I would battle him. I would sweat and we'd listen to Rolling Stones and I'd usually lose. But nonetheless, I was fucking feverish about it. I was in it from the drop. And then when my parents were like, hey, we're moving to Texas. So it's like, no, we can't. Nobody plays magic there in Texas. Like my circle. I was like eighth grade. and I was like I was wrecked this nerd Aubrey I was I was fucking my favorite I was fucking wrecked because then there wasn't like internet there wasn't like a an app that I could go like it was over find the magic the gathering circle near you or some fucking tinder for magic the gathering player no there was nobody and I got to fucking college and lost every friend I had like we didn't have phones like you didn't talk like it was over like these kids don't get it like it was over yeah and that's and that's when and that's so I didn't have there's no players No players.
33:31So what happened? And then slowly, yeah, I leaned into basketball, I leaned into the girls also did for sure come. But nonetheless, I probably would have stayed contiguous. I didn't give up baseball cards for girls because I was quiet. I was like this. And to that point, it's really funny though. I gotta be honest with you. There's something happening with me in the last three to four weeks where I'm starting to get ambitious.
33:58I am starting to see the fruits of my labor. I am starting to see young alpha dudes start to throw around words like gratitude and empathy and kindness and it's really starting to really make me feel good and it's like really fucking with me. It really is exciting and I do think much like, there's a real interesting reason that I gravitate towards you. you have some strong points of view that are not fully accepted. You, Ferris, others, and I don't consume a lot of content so I'm gonna tread lightly here because since I don't really, it's very top of the line, right, but like everything's cool in moderation as a simplification of me melding.
34:38I think you're talking about things that are gonna really show that you're historically correct and I think you're gonna help people. You're giving people permission. And as somebody who was super affected also by his mother on the Nancy Reagan kick, and has never fucking done a single drug in his life, never done anything, anything, I'm inspired by it. I mean it. I mean it, because I'm seeing you do shit, again, because I don't really consume, I'm very funny in my process, but I know you're up to something that is a different thing, it's a different category of things. You know, one thing you've touched on in the past that has hit my radar, I think I'm talking about parenting and insecurity and truths that people are uncomfortable with.
35:24I think America's unbelievably uncomfortable with sex and drugs and I know that you're playing a little bit in that space and I'm really - That sounds really fun but it's a little less fun. It is less fun. You're doing it from a far more thoughtful, really, really thoughtful mental place in my opinion. Yeah, from a soulful place. And what we're talking about is psychedelics and open relationship, right? And I think you're creating safeness. That's what I think you're doing. And that's what I'm trying to do. I think we have an entire generation of people that are trying to be successful. And I have enormous ambition to redefine it.
36:09I just really want people to be happy. It's so much more fun to be happy. It's so fun to be happy. It's super fun to be happy, bro. and I don't mean pretending to be happy, and I don't mean what everybody's doing, which is spending all their time to appear happy, and so I'm really in it right now. I'm in a zone. And you know what? One of the keys that I find to happiness is when happiness lives in the moment, in the moment you're in, and really happiness is acceptance of the moment you're in, and whatever process that might be, and just recognizing that, And whenever you're doing something for some other reason and projecting, it's harder to be happy.
36:51There's a good example of this this morning. This morning, I'm taking a fucking selfie in the sun. I don't do that often, but I was like, ah, nice sun. It's an important day. I'm going to take a fucking selfie. And there was a butterfly that came. I don't get a lot of butterflies in my backyard. This butterfly comes wafting by me. And I was like, ooh, sweet. I can get a selfie with a butterfly. Right? And so I spent this time moving myself around. And there was this magical moment where there's this butterfly fluttering around me. The sun was just shining. I could have just breathed and enjoy myself.
37:19But instead, I'm fucking chasing this butterfly around with my fucking selfie camera. And then I wake up and go, that was really stupid. Or was it? I don't know. I felt like it was. I could have enjoyed the butterfly. I'll be honest with you. What you just said is something I'm thinking a lot about, which is we're not that we're and you didn't demonize it, but society is starting to demonize like live in the moment. Right. There's this photo that went viral as fuck like four years ago with the Pope and everyone's taking a photo and there's that like 88 year old lady and she's just looking at it and everyone's like trying to make it to be this great thing and I was like, she didn't have a fucking phone.
37:58Why are we making letters? If I send you a really nice three sentence text tomorrow of how much I enjoyed today, right? Which now I'm not gonna do because I've said it out loud. But like, why does putting on a piece of paper and sending us a note, because what? Because it made it seem like I put an extra two minutes into it, like we're starting to do things where I think it's awesome that you chased around the butterfly. I think it's funny. I think it's funny and interesting. And like, I don't know, like I don't wanna fucking stand there and just take in the butterfly. Like I think it's fun to chase it with the camera.
38:32That was just fun from a game standpoint. Butterflies fucking move quick. Like that shit was hard. I don't know, again this goes to the currents that we live in society where right now everyone's like just take it in. I don't know, I wish I had photos of me at baseball card shows. Do you know how fucking pissed I am? Let me say this right now. Do you know how sad I am that I don't have photos from 1989 to 1992 at the 87 different baseball card shows that I have, because I'd like to see them. I'd like to see them. So like cool, I'm glad that everybody's demonizing selfie sticks and all this shit, but I promise you, in 39 years, while you were making fun of those people, they're gonna be thrilled to look at it.
39:13And their kids are gonna be very thrilled to look at it. And I'm super sad, because I don't have jack shit of my childhood. Like my throwback Thursday game is whack as fuck. Because I got nothing. Because us Russians, we didn't really take photos. And so like, you know, like again, there is a ying and a yang to everything, and we should be the judge and jury of it. and back to your point, if it was cool for two minutes to chase it with a selfie, cool. And then if you're like fuck it, I'm an idiot, let me take this in, cool. And like that's you and that's it, but everybody's taking everybody else's, I'm watching people like, like see one piece of content and be like yeah, that's what I'm doing now.
39:50I'm gonna sell my phone and write letters. I'm like, and they do it to me in the other way, right? Like Gary's right, I'm gonna do this. No, I'm putting out my perspective, filter that through you, take the good that works for you from that, leave the shit that you don't like. Most people aren't as competitive as I am. What's that fucking hockey thing called again? Sauce. Dude, I'm still kind of in it. I wanna go back and play sauce again. Like, you know, not everybody's that, that's why I love this. I love competing and business for me is competing and I wasn't built enough to be in the league and by the way, all those years where I was sad that I wasn't an athlete, now I'm the happiest that I'm an entrepreneur, not an athlete.
40:29Now that I'm really in the game and the world, I feel bad for these athletes. You're super competitive, that is your high, that is what gets you excited. And when you're a rock star, Mick Jagger's still doing it. But Kobe's not playing what he was meant to do. He's a child still. And look where he's going, to the business world to get that fucking feeling. So, I don't know, I don't know. I think what you're saying is a really good point though because there's a way that you can put a hierarchy of value, value in your life and valuable situations. Right. And saying that if you're taking a selfie, that is of no value because you should be taking the present moment, which is instead, it's still a judgment.
41:10It's still you putting a hierarchy together instead of just going out even further and bursting out of that and being like, there's no judgment for any of this shit as long as you're not hurting anybody. You want to hear a secret thought in my mind that I'm desperately hopeful will happen. This is a very weird thing I'm about to say. I've never shared this. there's a very big part of me and a conversation I consistently have with myself that secretly, though I won't force it, this is where I really know how to play with myself, I secretly hope I wake up one day and don't want to buy the Jets anymore and don't wanna work the way I wanna work and wanna do something else completely left field and I can't wait to wake up, look in the camera and be like, I'm out and leave and not give a fuck what anybody says.
41:51Oh, he figured out that he couldn't do it, so he did this. or see, see, you can't work like Gary Vee. He got burned out. Like, don't give a fuck. If I genuinely in my soul feel it, I can't wait to go build fucking sandcastles in Peru for the rest of my life. And that's an empowering, you see where I'm going? It's so fucking empowering, man. And that's it. Because we get trapped by the identity that we've formerly created. Tom Bellew said it, he pegged it for me. In a podcast, on my podcast. He flipped it on me. He goes, you know what your superpower is? I'm like, what? He's like, you don't judge yourself.
42:22I'm like fuck you're right. And that's what that was. This is why I'm so hot in this judgment thing. The great blessing of my life is that I don't judge myself. I hold myself accountable. Like it doesn't mean you go and be reckless. I'm not delusional when I fuck up and I suck. It's just that I just don't over judge it. Everyone's tearing themselves down. The fuck are you doing that for? Everybody else is doing it for you. Stop beating yourself up. Like what? Yeah it's like we have this idea of what we should be, what we're supposed to already be look at whoever the fuck you are right now whoever you are today is tomorrow's idiot like tomorrow you're going to look back at yourself of yesterday last week last year and be like oh yeah i was still just figuring it out and you're always going to be in that fucking position forever and parents if you're listening right now because you know that to be true stop being a dick because you know that you're 57 and you don't have anything figured out the fuck are you pressuring your 19 year old to figure it out can we just fucking eliminate that Honestly, maybe we can do it right here.
43:22You'll get a lot of listens to this if this is the true moment in society where we eliminate figuring it out. There is no fucking figuring it out. There is no out. It doesn't end. The fuck are you talking about? What, getting a job in an accounting firm when you're 23, you figured it the fuck out? Getting married at 29, you figured it out? What the fuck are we talking about here? There is no figuring it out. It's an endless, infinite loop of figuring. And so if you're a 57-year-old and forcing your 22-year-old to figure it out because you wanna look good to your friends that your child figured it out, not you want your kid to...
43:54Ah, the secret. The ego gets activated again because you can shit on those other parents whose kids... You should know better. You love your child, you should tell them to never figure it the fuck out. Just live. And you know what? Can we take another turn? Another big thing that is through... Because it's funny where my body just went with that. All this talk leads to me getting hot on people not buying things. I feel people are unbelievably good at trapping themselves in unhappiness because of things they buy based on a lot of things we just talked about. Like I don't know, I don't want people to buy the kind of homes and cars they're buying that puts them into a place where they have to then take a job or stay at a job they don't want to.
44:40I'm really hot on this right now. I really, really, really, really want people to stop buying homes or homes they can't afford. Like one of the funniest moves, cause I've said it once and I got inundated and I did it and I see everybody doing it. Almost everybody on their first home buy something that completely stretches the living shit out of them. Like to the bear. And then meanwhile, there's like usually five rooms in that thing that they don't even use. Like I wish that there could be a new rule. Somebody a little bit more in the trenches in home buying. Can somebody create a rule that like leave 35 %?
45:17Like whatever it is, go 35 % down so you're not so stretched. Because what happens is the next day, everyone celebrates you, you have a new home, you're all set, you're now fucking golden handcuffed like a motherfucker. Like nothing can happen to you financially or you can't make your mortgage payments and live the same lifestyle that you like. And if you tried to make a switch and go to your passion, go to something that you really wanted to do, build fucking sandcastles in Peru, guess what? Well, that means that you have to get rid of your house really quick or change all this momentum, all of this debt, all of this accumulation, all this depreciation is actually gonna restrict your freedom.
45:55And freedom, it has to be one of the highest things that we can put - Number one. Number one, right? I think purebred entrepreneurs love freedom. I love freedom, number one. When people say to me, what does success look like? And that gets asked a lot. I always say the same thing pretty consistently for a long time. being able to wake up and do whatever the fuck I want whenever I want, the end. That to me is number, freedom is number one, two, three, four, five, maybe this is the first time I've ever made this connection. Maybe it's because I was born in not a very free place that subconsciously wired some way into me.
46:28That, I mean, freedom, bro. By the way, that's why candor and transparency are at my core. That's freedom too. That is 100 % freedom. That's why I film everything. Imagine if you were trying to hold some shit secret. Like I just published a newsletter and it was called Five Uncomfortable Truths. And it was the middle of the night. And I was like, you know what? There's some shit that people don't know about me. Boom. And then so I just fucking put that out. So smart. Here we go. Ha. Isn't that nice? And everybody, feel free to tell the truth. It's okay. And if you don't like me because of my truths, oh yeah, one of my truths is, is that I've been addicted to sleeping medication for the last year.
47:00And I run a fucking human optimization company. Good for you. That's tough. It's tough to admit that, you know? Tough? But it's the fucking. Dude, do you know how many people you just helped with that? Dude, that's incredible. Dude, I'm really proud of you, bro. Well, thanks, brother. It takes an enormous amount of strength to do something like that. But it's so liberating. That's the thing. It's Eminem's last scene in the movie, bro. This has been figured out a long time ago. It was called Eight Mile, the movie. Go watch it. It's a rap battle. That is life itself. You're up against it. First move, shit on yourself in perpetuity that nothing else is left to anybody else.
47:33You've now won. because when he makes that transition to, but there's something I know about you, Clarence, that's how I live life. When people judge me, I'm like, what's going on in your life? The reason I don't judge anybody is I don't want people to do that to me. That's the real game. That's the 1 % game. When people spit hate, I'm like, but what's going on in your life? What are you up to? And the reason I called my brand Empathy and the reason some of my friends have helped me through this feedback, why I realize a lot of times it's actually sympathy, not empathy, and I'm trying to learn all these things.
48:12My mom has a Russian saying, and basically it translates to everybody's got some shit in their chicken head. Russia was fucked up. But I believe in that, and I think the fact that you can do that, what you understand is a lot of things, but one of them is, I said it earlier, everybody sucks at a lot of things. No doubt man. Who's this fucking perfect person? And it's just about embracing that. Embrace the fact that you suck and enjoy the suck. Let me tell you something that I think you and I represent and we're not all the way there yet but I have a real interesting observation. I believe that everybody thinks things are super fucked up and I think this is the beginning of an incredible century of human behavior.
48:54I believe what we're living through right now that when we look back at this video and we're like fuck we were so young fuck we looked good and we're gonna watch this exact video in 60 years and we're gonna be like, fuck, this was right. I'm so positive about what I'm about to say. This level of lack of privacy, some people like you and I are starting to understand it so well that we're leaning in in the other direction. There's always a reaction and a counter reaction. I believe that everybody's about to figure out that there's nowhere to hide, which is gonna lead for everybody being more transparent, which is gonna lead to people realizing they can't hide, which is gonna eliminate so much of the hypocrisy.
49:36And once everybody understands that the skeletons in their closet are actually gonna be exposed anyway, we're gonna start transforming into a lot of the radical, what people think, when you say your stuff, like open relationships, I laugh, I'm like that's gonna be the norm in 100 years because the shadows were what enabled. Yeah, the ability to hold privacy, to keep secrecy, to not get caught that allows these games these games of 100 these games to exist the reason i think my voice can be unique at times is because positivity often becomes delusional well it becomes you become the one who is positive and when you become the one who is positive when you have those negative thoughts bubbling up from the shadows you better stuff those motherfuckers away in a drawer somewhere because you're the one who's positive all the time like share your whole fucking journey and if you're mostly positive fucking great and if you're mostly negative don't blame it on other people just say hey i'm in a fucking tough spot world but i'm figuring it out and i appreciate all of you positive motherfuckers too that's another thing everybody thinks everything that we share is the final score when you're sharing that you're struggling at night i view that as the other team just went on an 11-0 run yep but it's still a second quarter yep and i know you called a timeout and the home crowd booed you but the true fans and the fans didn't.
50:57Yeah. Go pay attention, this is such a good analogy. Go pay attention to this. Go watch, go to a basketball game, watch the home team go on a terrible run and pay attention to who boos and who cheers. Very interesting insight and that's what happens. When you sent that email, there were people that booed. Sure. And then there were the real fans that cheered. Yeah. And that's how I see it. And so why is everything that's happening in your life the definitive end score? It's a process. Some chapters are good, some, if I was producing, like I would've wished I could've watched my content from when I was in school.
51:32Those were dark times for me, I hated school, bro. I hated the fuck out of school. Like the anxiety I had every fucking two months that I had to be punished, because my mom would ground me back to, this is where she did it great. I think one of the reasons I'm happy is my mom made me accountable for the ramifications, even if it wasn't like, I was in school. Even though she knew that wasn't gonna dictate my life, she punished me and I fucked with me. Who likes being punished? Getting Nintendo taken away for two weeks fucking blows when you're 14. Wow, that's deep. I would've fucked with me bad.
52:08Dude, especially when you're just getting your Tecmo game going. I was just getting good at Tecmo Bowl and then three weeks off the grid and I come back and everyone's fucking schooling me Bo Jackson style. I'm like, fuck mom, see? You know, like, so I don't know. I think that's right. I think people lack perspective. You know, one of the things that absolutely I've been sharing that has really been valuable is when I meet 57 year old homies and I keep reminding them like, you do know that you're gonna live for another 40 years. And like, why are you wrapping shit up? Oh, because your grandfather did.
52:42And that's what you saw. Conditioning. Correct. News alert, it's not 1973 anymore. Right? Like I'm sitting here, I'm 43 and I'm like, fuck man. and yes, I know, and everybody loves, you could get hit by a bus, I'm like cool, and then I won't care. But if not, if I'm going for another 55, if I'm going for another 65 with Modern Medicine, like late second quarter. You're just getting started. I can handle 11.01. You're just getting started, baby. But it's real. It is. It's real, and I really want that. Like people, you know how many people think they're fucked up if they don't have shit figured out at 30, like really fucked up.
53:20it's too late it's too late i ruined it i went left when i should have gone right and here i am and it's all fucked i should have taken that job my friend from michigan state took that job and he's got a nice house in the suburbs i fucked up i i thought i was gonna be a rock star i'm like dude you haven't even started you haven't even started yes sir you know everybody if you enjoyed this podcast please go back and look at the prior episodes they're loaded i appreciate your attention and uh thanks for being part of this journey see you later
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In this episode of the GaryVee Audio Experience, we're throwing it back to when I sat down with Aubrey Marcus, CEO of Onnit in 2019. We talk about where confidence can take you and how to build your self-esteem.
