Full Social Media Strategy for Business Growth in 2026

27 Nov 2025 · 53 min

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The GaryVee Audio Experience: Full Social Media Strategy for Business Growth in 2026

Episode Overview In this episode, Gary Vaynerchuk discusses how businesses can effectively leverage social media to drive growth in 2026. He emphasizes the importance of organic posts and content creation across various platforms while addressing the changing landscape of social media.

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Key Themes and Concepts

  1. The Power of Organic Content
  2. Impact of a Single Post: Gary shares examples of how one organic TikTok post can dramatically increase sales, shifting the focus from follower count to the virality of individual content.
  3. Shift in Social Media Dynamics: Traditional metrics of popularity (like follower counts) are becoming obsolete as platforms like TikTok prioritize unique content's reach and engagement.
  1. Content Creation Strategies
  2. Focus on Craft: The importance of mastering content creation, including video quality, thumbnails, and compelling copy, is emphasized. Gary suggests that until creators become proficient in these areas, they will struggle with content performance.
  3. Balancing Personal vs. Business Branding: Gary advises against overcomplicating branding strategies, suggesting that the audience's preference for content trumps traditional branding methodologies.
  1. Navigating Multiple Platforms
  2. Adaptability Across Platforms: Businesses should adapt their content strategies for different platforms (e.g., TikTok, Instagram, LinkedIn) as each has unique audience expectations and engagement styles.
  3. Engagement Over Strategy: Instead of getting bogged down in strategic complexities, businesses should focus on engaging their audience with authentic and relatable content.
  1. Generating Local Engagement
  2. Local Strategies: Gary proposes hosting local dinners to engage with target audiences, suggesting that intimate and personal interactions can foster community ties and generate great content for social media.
  3. Digital Marketing Tactics: Engaging local audiences through targeted ads and community events can enhance brand visibility and foster customer loyalty.

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Key Takeaways

  • Organic Reach is Critical: The focus should be on achieving high organic views, which are becoming increasingly important as ad costs rise.
  • Content Quality Matters: The first few seconds of a video matter; they need to be engaging to capture the audience's attention.
  • Diverse Content Creation: Businesses should create multiple types of content tailored for different platforms to maximize reach and effectiveness.
  • Building a Brand: In a competitive landscape, developing a strong brand identity is crucial, as products can easily become commodities.
  • Utilize AI and Tools: Leverage technology and AI to streamline content creation and engagement strategies.

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Audience Questions Addressed

  • Balance of Personal and Business Branding: Gary reassures that it is possible to promote both personal and business content effectively without rigid boundaries.
  • Content Production Capacity: When building a social media team, it's essential to focus on quality and adaptability rather than just quantity of posts.
  • Engaging New Markets: For businesses expanding into new territories, synthesizing personal stories and concise messaging can resonate with local audiences.

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Conclusion Gary Vaynerchuk emphasizes that businesses must adapt to the evolving social media landscape by prioritizing organic content, focusing on craft, and engaging authentically with their audiences. By leveraging multiple platforms and employing creative strategies, businesses can significantly enhance their growth potential in 2026 and beyond.

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0:00You do know that you could go from 2 to 8 million in sales in a year based on one organic TikTok post As I scroll to my TikTok, this video right here got 1.9 million views. Here's the most remarkable part. The next post, which crushed for me on Instagram, different content, different platform, big part of the thesis, 5 ,834 views. So the social media I grew up with, that you all grew up with, was as many followers you've had, was an indicator to the general range every post would get. All those best practices got completely annihilated when TikTok hit the scene and made it about the individual piece of content.

0:35And I think it's going to continue to get more extreme because it benefits the platforms. This is the Gary Vee Audio Experience. Before you go to the podcast, I've got a big announcement. I know several years ago, a lot of you bought 12 books of 12 and a half to get the NFT, the Book Games NFT. I also know that a lot of people have dropped off on their journey with VFriends, which is a massive mistake because what we're doing on Burn Island and what we're doing on base with Book Games is remarkable. So you need to go to VEEFriends, VFriends.com slash old books. Go to VFriends.com slash old books with an S.

1:14You will go to that landing page and we will help you explain if you are trying to figure out where your NFTs are, how to bring them over to the website, and how to start activating them so that you can start using them for all the incredible exchanges and draws and raffles and experiences that we're doing for people that actually own the book games. So please go to vfriends.com slash old books where you can start your journey on reactivating your book games journey. Look, TikTok has the most virality chance. I wasn't kidding what I said about 8 million for them. It doesn't fit everyone here. Good news, every platform's going through the TikTok thing.

1:49LinkedIn, same thing. One video I have, 4 ,000. Next one, 400 ,000. YouTube short, same shit. First video, 1 ,000. Next one, 250 ,000. So they're all about to go through it. because it's the right thing for all of us. It's the right for the platform, it's the right for us. This is why I wrote the book. This is why I'm yelling from the loudest way I can that organic social is important, but you have to get good at the craft. Like the first three seconds, the thumbnail, all of it. Until you're great at the craft of the video or the picture or the written words in social, everything will be hard.

2:20I promise you. Because everything else is getting more expensive because they're all losing market share to this machine. Newspaper ads are more expensive than they were five years ago. The number one goal you should all care about is views achieved organically. There's people on my team that are fast, there's people on my team that are slower. But if player one got me three videos a day and those three videos got me 100 ,000 views, but player two was slower but she fucking made badass shit and only made me one and that video got four million views, which one do I like better? That's simple. But when people play, well, but Gary, my shit's good, I'm like, no it's not.

2:56you took a day and your video got 8 ,000 views. And over here, they got me three videos at 8 ,000 apiece and that got me 24 ,000 views. When you make views achieved gross and per post as a North Star, it's gonna help you answer a lot of these tough questions. The first question I think is how to balance personal branding versus business branding, especially from a social media perspective. And then also across multiple brands if you're trying to do more than one company like you did? There's so much to that. First of all, I think that we out academia ourselves a lot of times. So we sit in this room and think about the strategy of personal brand versus the business versus multiple businesses when the consumer on the other side doesn't care about what we're doing in a boardroom.

3:50That's always been the case. it's now been compounded by how social media now works. The reason I wrote the latest book is social media's really changed in the last two, three years. So best practices on how many handles do you need? What's personal? All those best practices got completely annihilated when TikTok hit the scene and made it about the individual piece of content. And I think it's going to continue to get more extreme because it benefits the platforms. The more we stay on it, the more money they make. the more you see things you want to see the more you will stay the more you see things you don't want to see a lot of you follow me but you may not want the wine content or the crying about the Jets content you might want the business content you might want the silly content I don't know but as you all know I do a lot of different stuff compared to most people I would say good news my friend it doesn't fucking matter that's right so if you decide to go one platform under your name and do half of the content about the business and half yours and another business, that individual piece of content is going to find the audience.

4:55If you want to have seven different accounts, I'm like even thinking about new strategies for clients. Like if they're a cereal brand, let's just use Cheerios, they're not a client. If we get Cheerios, should I create another account called At Morning Breakfast so that I can just post on it with Cheerios content just so they don't have to deal with the policy? It's so crazy what happened and all of you should take advantage of this. You should no longer be paralyzed by any of the ridiculous things we think about for strategy, including even the name of the handle. It's like all out the window.

5:28It's now the individual piece of content. Whether you post on your account, your account or the company's account, the individual piece of T-Porn content is gonna be the punchline. We have this T-shirt, T-Porn. There you go. So that's the answer to that, Christian. I don't think you need to cripple yourselves the three of you on this issue. One account, five accounts, one for each of you. What you need to do is be fucking psychotic about the individual piece of content. Hey everybody, I hope you're enjoying the podcast right now. Make sure you follow the podcast. That's why I'm interrupting. Let's keep going on this show, but follow the podcast.

6:07It'll make my mom super happy. So my questions may be really specific to financial companies. Is there anything you're seeing either good, bad, or otherwise that companies like ours are focused on helping people better their financial lives? Is there anything you're seeing out there? Yeah, of course, but let's break this down a little bit. So what would you like them to do after they've been affected by your good content to make their financial lives better? Like a nonprofit would just like it to be good. A profit, like what do you want them to do? What is your business KPI? What would you like them to buy from you?

6:47Oh, mostly we sell life insurance. Just like sophisticated life insurance based strategies. How much LinkedIn content do you put out a day? One post a day. What kind? Mostly video. Mostly video. A clip from the podcast? Sometimes. And other times original. It's just like a short that I've done. We have had like outside FMOs, third party FMOs doing most of it for the last couple years. and so we've mostly done what they said until more recently where I'm like I gotta own this more that part's good how has it been going slow not very well not very well I would say because it's challenging to get views on it or because you're challenged to come up with ideas to make content for I think more challenging to get views I mean like you know when I put out a short I get like Like, you know, sometimes a short as in like a YouTube short.

7:42What about LinkedIn? OK, sorry. Back to LinkedIn. Please. I would say every once in a while I'll get like a good post that has like, you know, 10 ,000 views. But for the most part, it's, you know, I'm getting like a few hundred impressions on it. And that's per day, one a day. Yes. Or you're being kind or that's what we're doing. Five a week. Five a week. We are dedicated at least to that at this point. We're understood. have you thought about where are you based? Salt Lake but we are totally virtual understood so we and the consumers that you're trying to reach can be national? Yep that's been a huge advantage for us because we started doing that 10 years ago I think a couple things if I was to join the business the first thing I would do is pitch the idea of hosting a dinner within Salt Lake running ads on Facebook and Instagram and LinkedIn on a 10 to 15 mile radius of our office where the video was an invitation to fill out a form to join this dinner in a private room in one of Salt Lake's nice restaurants where you would send them to a Google form to fill out who they are.

8:57What you're gonna talk about is overall entrepreneurship and business, a little bit of like Salt Lake local entrepreneur and business and Salt Lake life because that's obviously such a tight knit community I know it pretty well and for this lovely dinner we're all going to have you're going to have to bear with us we have a five minute halftime show commercial for what we do for a living but the general thing is I Christian we would like to be more part of the community and the business community and the growth of the city and the energy of everything that's going on we have a hockey team now we would like you know again I don't know like you know whether it's steak dinner whether it's alcohol no alcohol whatever the dynamics are we're going to do this nice dinner there's only 12 seats what we're just running this ad within 20 months this is literally the video we are running this ad for like minded ambitious people footnote we're also doing this for our social media content so this dinner is going to be filmed you don't need to be in it it's for my content so your face can be blurred, it can be back of your head.

10:01By the way, you can be in it and can get a nice little plug for your local business. I believe what you're doing in that scenario is a couple things. One, I think it would explode your local business. Hey everybody, I hope you're enjoying the podcast right now. Make sure you follow the podcast. That's why I'm interrupting. Let's keep going on this show but follow the podcast. It'll make my mom super happy. I think scaling, this is for everyone, I think scaling the unscalable is the move right now in a world of AI. so like a monthly dinner with 12 to 20 prospects who don't forget filled out a form that you're gonna ask the questions you wanna know answers to are you happy with your insurance provider yes okay you're not invited you know like you could you could do whatever the hell you want in that form but you will create an engine for your content my team as John may know like yeah literally yes as many of you may know if you follow me closely yesterday I did Tea with Gary V I brought it back It was a show I did a lot during COVID.

10:58I did it for two reasons. One, it's one of my best format shows. People like it the most for me because I'm providing real depth. It's what this is at some level. And two, I really believe in social media shopping and I wanted to do it on whatnot to show people that you can do it on these platforms. There's a lot of, I'll definitely get into it with them. But here's the punchline why I'm telling you that story. Because I put myself in my best position to make good content. We made a piece of content. like I made a piece of content in reaction to the question. My team clipped it yesterday. We normally go into testing.

11:33We test under different accounts how well the content does and then do it on my main channel. I felt so good about it intuitively. We ran it last night. It was the one where I ranted about like nobody gives a fuck about you. Humility's the key. Right. That video, that is the first video that wasn't tested that got over a million views in years. and the reason I think it did that because the other 50 I've done that way I thought were going to hit but this morning when I woke up I was like it's I put myself in a position to make that video right like I'm putting myself for an hour in my best spot I get most excited when I talk to a human and I'm just trying to break through to them and that gets me to a different place I think you in that setting has the chance to make better content yeah so you're gonna get local and by the way you're gonna run ads on meta and LinkedIn to the tune of about $200 in media spend because when you're in a very confined area of a 10 mile radius you don't need a lot of dollars yeah that's what I would do very cool thank you I think you'll get the right kind of content and by the way your production day is gonna be a sales pitch you see what's happening for the low low cost of like listen I don't underestimate covering 12 people dinner like I view that you know a couple like I think you're gonna win I think you get a I think it's gonna work I like this non-scalable local physical to film to then scale got it putting all of you have to put yourself in a position to make the best possible content good stuff thank you you got it yeah so I think we're here because we are growing really really fast and we want to like make sure we have the right plan.

13:20Is it all direct to consumer? Yes. Shopify? Yeah, all Shopify. And then I'd say like 75 % through Shopify, 25 % through Instagram and Facebook. Okay. Direct buying. Direct within it, right? Like you're doing it by hand or are you using shop or what's happening? Yes. Is it like DM if you want to buy and you're like kind of hand holding it? Honestly, just through the meta ads we're running, like meta will give them the option to either buy through our website or buy just in platform. Right, so the buying in platform, it's passing on to your Shopify. Yeah, exactly. And they're taking a rake. Yeah.

13:51And so we basically, just for context, like we did 250 ,000 in sales last year. And I think we're on track to do 2 million in November. Amazing. And we're growing 30 to 50 % month over month. And most of it is on just meta ad spend. Of course. And it's been really profitable too. So that's good. that means you have a product that's fit the market against the attention who's running those ads, you? yes, all me and how good do you feel about your capability in that? well like if you had a self guess because you probably don't have a lot of I have a thousand social media buyers literally in this company so I can assess like Ronnie versus Sally I'm aware that you don't have a context point but what's your gut tell you?

14:38so I'm 100 % self taught which is good yeah I think Advantage Plus ads have made me feel a lot smarter this year than in the past. So like basically all we're doing is we're testing a bunch of creatives, but we're like 100 % of our ad spend is in Advantage Plus campaigns, which has been working for us. How much organic social are you doing? Hopefully two posts a day on Instagram. Just Instagram? On TikTok, but TikTok's just not going very well, but we're still. Well, it's not going well because you look at all of this as like conversion funnels, right? Yes. So you live in CAC and LTV life and that's your rendering.

15:16Back to what I just showed you. You do know that you could go from two to eight million in sales in a year based on one organic TikTok post.

15:27So that's a good thing for everyone to hear. Like you noticed, if you follow it along of how we were just talking, where they'll eventually go is eventually the math won't work. That's what happens to everybody. That might be six million, that might be 11 million, And I don't know, right? I'd have to like look under the hood. But by the way, if they're destined to do 20 million before the math doesn't work out, people are gonna watch them and figure it out and do the same thing. And then it's gonna slow that, like the copycat thing will happen very fast. And what I was gonna say is that's kind of where we're getting to the point where when I said two million in November, I mean the month of November, we think we'll do two million.

16:05And so we think like next year we could hit 20 million. Okay, I see. That's staggering. So you're not going from$250 ,000 to$2 million in revenue. You think you're going from$250 ,000 to$20 million. Yes. So a couple things real quick for the rest of the room. This is what's happening in social media when you do it right. Just like so everybody wraps their head around it. It's that real. But keep going. Yeah. So I'm just getting kind of nervous that like, okay, we've been riding this wave all year. I feel like we were pretty early on like the Advantage Plus ads, Power Bay AI, like getting really good targeting but now I feel like we kind of have experience with a couple other small businesses where we've run them you know up to like maybe five you know three to five million in annual sales getting to this point where we're like did you come from like that angle where you like servicing other businesses and started like when you say that why did that happen so like I owned a business with my dad and my brother selling like really niche horse related products awesome and so we've grown that business it does but it'll probably do about five or six million this year but that's kind of like the biggest business we've ever been involved with so and this one just the products hitting and the nature of how social is right the addressable market's bigger just given the nature of all women are in play but then just the way women are shopping like just the reality of the business okay so basically i'm coming to like okay we could we're on track to do two million in november i think it's really realistic we'll do 20 million so let's Let's go backwards.

17:36Instead of what you're going to do in November, because I've been through that rodeo, let's talk about what you did do in August. So, like sales-wise, I think we hit close to$600 ,000. And you're anticipating by just putting more dollars into the machine because you're reinvesting what you're making, that's how you see it, right? Yes. Because for everybody, the reason, when I said this is how it works, the reason not everyone does it is if your first$100 ,000 doesn't work because you weren't good at it, then you're out. if you only had 100 ,000 or 50 ,000 or 10 ,000. These are small bits, right?

18:09If you got 10 ,000 and you go and spend 10 ,000 on social ads and you don't convert, then the game's over. On the flip side, if it does convert, you see what's happening, right? If your 10 ,000 makes you 40 ,000, you take 20 ,000, and then all of a sudden you just see what he's doing, he's stacking. Got it? But this is why I want to talk about, this is why I wrote the book. This is why I'm yelling from the loudest way I can that organic social is important when people don't think it's important because they're in one of two places. One, they're advanced and paid. And so like, why guess? He's just fucking running it, right?

18:44You can see, think about being at 600 ,000 in August and sitting here and having confidence and I believe him, by the way, that he's gonna do 2 million in November. That's just like, okay, I know what works. But then things change too. And so that's why creative is the whole variable. The targeting's there. The people are on social. keep going so I guess my question is like going into next year and thinking like okay we could take this business to 20 million dollars it's just so open-ended I feel dumb almost asking it but like how would you be thinking about yeah I don't think it's dumb I think you're first of all you need to reconcile something you're in the sales business not in the brand and marketing business right notice what's happening it's all math so he's selling so the biggest fear I have brother Lexi is are you building a brand because if you're not you're gonna get copied out somebody's gonna buy something close enough from China and start pounding against your own the same audience for half the price we see it happening already that's right because people are watching everything got it so my number one recommendation in the way I hear everything is don't worry about 20 or 30 or 18 worry that you're in trouble unless you build a brand.

20:02Do you know how many people have social media agencies and want to be Gary Vee? Half the people on social media. But the brand is what allows me, I gotta back it up by being good and I gotta show up in this room and bring, but it's all brand. Everything is a commodity besides brand. Everything. So by far what's obvious to me is brand, brand, brand. What does that mean? You know, first off, I think the biggest asset you have is Lexi and her sister. So, like, to me, that's not replicatable. There's only, like, what's your sister's name? T 'Kel. T 'Kel and Lexi or T 'Kel and Lexi. There could be other sisters doing, like, but, like, they're them.

20:43You know, I don't know you like that, Lex, but if you and T 'Kel are willing to go out in front, I think that is a very important part of the next step. You know, joint podcast, original content, showing them in the field. like you're gonna have what's the name of the brand? O 'Clem. O 'Clementine. O 'Clementine. You've got to make people give a fuck about that. That. Like jingle. Like this is some madman shit. Like what's the like O 'Clementine. Like there's like a song you should make. I'm being serious. Like I think you should make a jingle and that jingle should be an organic post and maybe the first three seconds of every video or at the end of every video the jingle should play.

21:23You know 1-877-CAR for kids. Like if you're from the Jersey, New York area like PC Richards, The Whistle. Like everything is a commodity except brand. So I think the biggest thing that's obvious to me is for you to go all in on organic and all in on ownable shit. But like I would give up a lot of money. If I ran the business, I would give up, instead of pouring, like what you're just gonna do is pouring it back in, pouring it back in. I would take some of that money and bring it to zero. I would level out your CAC. I'd pay more I'd take 100k of it to be awesome at organic to be awesome at brand building mostly investing that in like basically a team to help us yes do more that's right external or internal building at the best cost association against the results to get as many views organically with a complete lens on brand the other thing you're going to fall in love with and as great as the AI is for meta it's the same AI that gets an organic posts to a lot of views and then that one, that one on organic will outperform the AI generated testing.

22:33So there's double benefit from organic social. The organic ad, the organic post that gets 3 million views when you bring it back and slightly tweak it to make it a conversion ad. So it's just a video of the two gals walking down the street talking about something and just hit. You taking that video back and at the bottom put, you know, maybe they just tell a story about their I'm literally making shit up right now. Their pet dog, Carol, in the video. It gets 14 million views, 4 million. Now you run it again as an ad, but at the bottom, you take the bottom of the video and you put, at checkout, put code Carol to get free shipping because you know it's gonna emotionally hit.

23:14It may end up being your best cack ad. The thing that fucks up all the mathematicians in the game that I play is when I get an organic thing going viral and I convert it into performance, it outperforms all their best shit and they're like how the fuck did this happen? Because it's the fucking creative. Got it? Totally. Thank you. Napoleon Hill. Hey Gary. Hi. So Matt Higgins was the one who connected us. He's coaching me. He said that we're sitting on a very valuable asset having the rights to think and grow rich and Napoleon Hill. the first question I have is so we have the rights to use the name, the material, the content everything he's ever created, Napoleon Hill should we be going with Think and Grow Rich or Napoleon Hill?

24:07Both. Both. And. Both and. Okay. And. So much of the world we live in now life is about this but life business is about distribution. and we used to have to make choices because the internet and social didn't exist so like if you were going to open up stores in 1987 you had to pick one because it's fucking expensive to open up duplicate stores but when you're talking about what I'm talking about which is building brand in a modern social world the answer is ant because some people would like it goes to cohorts some people would resonate with Napoleon Hill some people would resonate with Thinker Rich plus if you go Napoleon's route you have unlimited upside.

24:52Do you have the rights to his image? Is it name, image, and language? His everything. Yeah, I mean, his is much bigger upside. Napoleon in AI form should be competing with me right now. And has a lot of leverage against me. It's all historic. Like, I think this will play out. Like, if you own the, so if you're sitting on the IP, you need to probably stand him up. So something a little far-fetched that I want everybody to hear is virtual influencers. One of the biggest conversations of the next decade is going to be influencers that aren't real people that you all own. Now they're sitting with gold.

25:32They're owning something that's real. You're gonna have to make up your third sister. That's right. Or the dog. Should that be the voice? That was our question too because we have the voice tone of like. You have his voice on record, right? No, I meant like the voice of our brand. Yeah, I mean, you're going to find with me in the audience, like, voice and tone become, it's subjective. Let me, like, okay, what's, I mean, I watch people on my team that have been with me for 10 years trying to capture my voice and send me stuff and I'm like, I would never say that. Yeah. So, like, you have to remember voice and tone, like brand talk.

26:08The reason I've always pushed against brand talk is it's subjective. Like, what's a brief? I'm going to give you a brief. Oh, the brief is bad. A brief is a piece of paper with words on it and how you interpret it. Like you know what else is words on a piece of paper? The Constitution. I don't know if you've heard, half of America sees it one way, the other half sees it another way. So you know, voice and tone is subjective. You four ladies leave and four other people come in and they're gonna judge if it's on voice or on tone. Got it? You need to really reconcile that truth. okay so so as we we bring Napoleon back whether it's AI virtual that's what I would do if I was in this seat I would bring him fully back like actually he's the one like actually in a year I just want like and by the way it looks like he's alive I don't know if you guys have seen the AI yes we have we have created characters we talked to him on the phone we asked him a question we asked him a question he talked to me yesterday okay so now you know Think and Grow Rich is a heavy read and it's been thanked by many entrepreneurs so what we want to do is we want to launch an easier read called Think and Grow Rich 10 Minutes a Day.

27:23Okay. Make it more sexy more modern for younger crowd. What would you do with this?

27:32Meaning how would I get people to know about it? Yes. By making unlimited social media organic creative across the seven platforms that matter to society. To me, basically, let me take a step back that might help all of you. I believe your phone is the television and I believe that Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook, Pinterest to some degree are the seven channels on the platform. Just like your great-grandparents had six channels, three channels, you know, I'm 48, we were pretty poor so I was in the 13-channel world pre-cable. Some of you can stick around that and remember it.

28:12Those seven platforms, those six platforms, are the channels on the television. Unlike the way Hollywood worked, everybody here is allowed to make a show on the channels. If you were trying to be in everyone's home in 1984 or 1963 or 1949, and you could, why wouldn't you have a show on every channel? this channel choosing that so many of you are doing is that's a strategic nightmare to me not the tone of voice the not making content on all these platforms to not make content on linkedin youtube youtube shorts facebook instagram tiktok snapchat spotlight which acts like Instagram and I mean for you Snapchat spotlight could be the golden goose because no one's fucking there no one's even thinking about it you know who is there?

29:11a fuck load of 15 to 30 year olds so to not make content on every one of them just choosing the cliche Instagram and TikTok only Facebook's the most fertile opportunity how much damage do you guys do on Facebook? Facebook Yeah, I'd say of our meta ads, probably like 75 % plus is going through Facebook. Say it nice and slow for everyone in the back. 75 % of our ad spend is going to purchases through Facebook. And what he knows that I know, because we're in it, is I'm selling to 20 and 30 year olds on Facebook, not Facebook. book so you know i would say the strategy you need to do is bring him to life that book to life the mini 10 minute version book to life all of them to life on all six platforms we've never done an ad you don't need to do an ad you can do an ad just stay creative yeah organic and paid both work i i believe we're now in a world where you go organic first and when things do well then you go paid.

30:19That was done in platform for ad people before. Now, that nuance I showed him to ad is another element that affects the thing that they really need to worry about which is brand. You start with brand. You start with juice that none of us started with. You're sitting on brand. How do, do you have a nice question? To answer where you're about to go, you have to be, so I just told you that you should play basketball. Just so everybody knows, I just told everybody here you should become a professional basketball player. Why did I do that? Because out of all the major sports in the world, the way the new collective bargaining agreement for the NBA is and how big the media rights are, basketball only has 12 to 15 players.

30:58But the players are gonna get 50 % of all that money. So the money is so extreme, but unlike football where there's 53 players and you divide by 53, in basketball you divide by 12. So you're gonna hear from your buddies that are either you're into basketball or you're gonna hear from your buddies in basketball, I can't believe this player just got$400 million and they're not even good. And you're like, how is that possible? That's how. I just told you to be a basketball player. I've given you the answer to how everything in society is working. Those six platforms dictate everything. The presidential election, the temperament of our society, everything that is popular, what is famous, what sells.

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31:37It is absurd how much social media is underrated. Now you've got to get good at it. That part. That's where you're about to go. How? That's why I went textbook on the new book, but it's an everyday game. You all must get as good, notice the first question I asked him. How good do you think you are? Because the delta between him being, and I was listening, if he's a 7.8 against the world, which is very high, the delta between him being a 7.8 and an 8.8 is 4 million in November, not two. I, if you go look at my organic social, John you know this because you're on a team I've been complaining to the team for the first seven eight months nine months a year that we're not good anymore that's been the energy on my team because it's true and we had all sorts of excuses I'm not making as much original content we've been a lot better right John you've seen the number the last two months we've been a lot better we're just better we just got better we just got refocused would you go lifestyle or personal development yes lifestyle no both okay everything The biggest liberator of strategy is and.

32:49Humans in boardrooms are obsessed with or. Or is comfortable. Or is school. Or is having a job. And. So it's just about throwing everything at the wall? But not that. Yes. Because I'll explain. No, no, I love what just happened. It sounds like it's throw against the wall and see what sticks. It sounds like spray and pray. it sounds like test and learn it's set right but none of it is illogical you're sitting there and you're thinking about who am I trying to reach you're thinking who would Napoleon resonate with we have historic data what he means for 18 to 35 year old dudes you know that so obviously you're gonna make different content for that crowd versus a 63 year old female immigrant from Hungary because you want everyone right So it's just, that's what's great.

33:43The rest of the day and the book and team and before and maybe even before like cohorts, if you're already talking about that, like that's the game. But you have to get good at the craft. Like the first three seconds, the thumbnail, like all of it, the copy. Like until you're great at the craft of the video or the picture or the written words and social, everything will be hard. I promise you. Because everything else is getting more expensive. because they're all losing market share to this machine. Newspaper ads are more expensive than they were five years ago.

34:20Would you, if you had this brand, I'm good, I'm good. Sorry, if you had this brand, would you modernize the message or keep it traditional Napoleon style? I don't, so I haven't read the books, but obviously I've been very, especially because of who I am, like I have a general sense. it sounds like a lot of the principles are tried and true. Would I make the examples contemporary? Yes. Thank you. You got it. Okay, great. Hi, Gary. Hello. My first question is about our podcast. Okay. We started it four years ago. Yes. And we choose our target audience to be founders, operators, and tech VC-backed investors.

35:04Smart. and we got a lot of them in the show like the most important in the region in whole Latin America yet then we found out that that's not actually a target that we want to sell to so now we have this podcast that has a lot of authority in the field and some recognition on it but it's not working so we can invite like it's not working because those guests and that energy is not directly impacting your business exactly Great. Yeah, makes sense. What I would do is back to the theme of this whole meeting is I would go into and, I would cut back the kind of guests that represent that by a lot, but not completely kill it because you got equity there.

35:48So instead, how often do you do the podcast? Weekly. Great. I would probably do one guest like you used to every two months. But the other seven guests would follow the path that you figured out and you heard. you just need new guests that do address who you want. Do you see what I mean? This goes back to and. Okay, great. Does that make sense? Sure. Other question that we have is more tactical. Please. Our social media team has one graphic designer, one video editor, one community manager, and one copywriter. Okay. How much content should we expect from the team to produce? That's a very fun question.

36:33because to your point, it's complicated. Let's talk about that. So number one, there's so much here. Number one, are you doing predominantly videos or pictures? Both? A mix of both, but mostly video. Okay. Because it fits like the podcast. So first of all, back to the rant I just had and I saw you guys talking. How many platforms are you putting social out on? We were on everywhere. Then we just decided to focus on LinkedIn because that sounded smart. Yeah. and we used to say like, okay, let's crack LinkedIn. Is your audience B2B? Yeah. Okay. So, minimally, you need to be on YouTube Shorts, LinkedIn.

37:14So, Twitter is about to become much more like everybody else. So, I believe in the next couple weeks, Twitter is gonna unleash a video tab and it will look exactly, like this is the game. So, I think Twitter is very, very, going to be very fruitful for a lot of people and first movers, same old shit, won't be as good as conversion if you're just CACLTB like, but for brand, it could be completely crazy because of the viral nature of the platform. I'm aware that there's a lot of energy against X, but like, for example, I live on Twitter and I do no politics and have plenty of fruitful situations.

37:50You're in control of what you consume and what you put out. So I think X will be good for you. YouTube shorts is very important because of the way search works. And I do think there's strategic things you could do on TikTok that could really find the right audience. But I think it's about, let me give you this one. On TikTok, I'm a big fan, especially if you're B2B, but it could also be if you're niche, like tea or earrings. Make content that is kind of positioned as, hey, send this to your person in your life that's into tea. Hey, if you know anybody who's in this small business, like, send this video.

38:25literally the name of the video is send this to someone that's into because there's a viral loop there on TikTok that could work. Keep going. So to answer your question, first, when we take a piece of video, what all of you have to be best at is post-production for the platform. Notice how I started this meeting with an example of a video that did two million on TikTok but underperformed on Instagram. Same video. I change the copy but sometimes that's not even enough but minimally minimally when you make one video you're actually getting four pieces of content if you're on four platforms by changing the copy that supports the video based on what platform if I'm posting on LinkedIn I'm going to reference people that are traveling for business sitting at their desk I may make that reference like if they make a video I'll just use them because it's gonna be easy.

39:23If they're making a tea video and they post it on LinkedIn, which I think they should, which nobody who owns a tea brand or retail store would ever think about. But I think LinkedIn has become like Facebook. There's just people on it and they're just seeing shit. In theirs, I would put like a video, could be them in it, whatever it is. But the copy would say, tired of the shitty tea they serve in the office. And then comma into what they have to say. I wouldn't put that on TikTok. talk. I would just go into like average chamomile blows. Here's oolong. Here's the, you know, like whatever they're going to do.

39:55So I think that how much content should you expect? Minimally, you should expect whatever the output is. It should be times however platforms you have, but don't take the same video and post it everywhere because it's going to act different. The copy minimally should be changed. I'm not even living my same life. Like we should tweak the first second or the thumbnail. We do that half the time, not 100%. It's even like, you know, like somebody who's good at fitness. Sometimes you have cheat days. We're not perfect on my team. Every video should be slightly different on every platform based on the audience that lives in there and the temperament of the room.

40:34I'm gonna act differently in this boardroom with all of you than if this was being done at a private restaurant. Like this whole meeting would be slightly different if this was from 9 p.m. to midnight with wine at a restaurant. Same meeting. different, different room right? my slang would be different, the energy would be different it would just be different, y 'all would be different so you know, I think for you two you have to like watch them work for a day

41:06because everybody's different like look, the number one goal you should all care about is views achieved organically so let me give it to you this way there's people on my team that are fast there's people on my team that are slower but if player one got me three videos a day and those three videos got me 100 ,000 views but player two was slower but she fucking made badass shit and only made me one and that video got 4 million views which one do I like better? But when people play well but Gary my shit's good I'm like no it's not you took a day and your video got 8 ,000 views and over here they got me three videos was at 8 ,000 apiece and that got me 24 ,000 views.

41:48When you make views achieved gross and per post as a North Star, it's gonna help you answer a lot of these tough questions. Understand? You like that, right? I can see you reacted well to that. But I get it, it's hard. This will help you ground the game in something. Yeah. Right? Yeah, because sometimes I feel that we're like just throwing the arts together here. And that's okay too if they can explain the dart. It goes back to that. If I could explain to you the reason I'm making this video is I'm going after women that grew up with entrepreneurial fathers in California. Well then when you look at it, you're like, oh shit, I see what you did there.

42:29You made a surfing reference, you made a daddy reference, you had a concept. So back to it's not, everything I make has a thought. It's not just to get views, there's a reason. And sometimes that is like, hey, I've been heavy. and talking about heavy like, you know, like stress management, let me post a video that I like blueberries to fucking switch it up. But there was logic. Sorry, isn't it hard to do that when you have, when you're clipping a podcast? Like, how do you decide? Yes, it's hard to do that, which is why just clipping podcasts can't be your only source of content. Right? Yeah. He's filming right now.

43:094Ds is different than Tea with Gary Vee. It's different than I give a keynote. too many people became one dimensional

43:20putting yourself in a position to make content look what I told Krishna to do do local business for me it's a huge win for him because it's like you notice how I broke it down you might get some local business you're gonna learn you're gonna listen to people you're gonna get content so even if he doesn't sell a single thing to the 144 people that he has in a dining room 12 times 12 once a month he just needs one clip to pay for the whole thing. Again, back to if Lexi and her sister, maybe they like running. Well then fuck it. Find a running cameraman with you or like a GoPro. Again, maybe I pitched to Christian the dinner thing but maybe he loves golf and maybe the video says I'm taking a foursome out to my course and we're filming it.

44:05I know it's weird but some of you get it's 2024. I don't know what's right for y 'all. Maybe they're doing like, think about what their business, we're about to go there. Like they can just invite people to the shop and film. We're doing it Saturday. Got it? Yes, thanks. Keep thinking this now. All right, yes. So it's almost the opposite of everything you just said. Okay. So our most popular content is Jamila and I, but we are a tea room, a tea shop. We just got into Target, so we're doing CPG now, and we are the bottlenecks for our content. Makes sense. I'm talking toilets. You're doing everything.

44:45I lived that life for seven straight years with Wine Library. So really it's how did you get from you being going out on YouTube from Wine Library to producing enough content to do it? Patience. You've got a lot of things going for you. You've got emerging AI so you could late night learn how to use AI tools to help you make more content. You could. you've got the coolest job that everybody wants to do as a teenager all of you have that actually ironically one of my favorite places to look at for something like this is somebody who's retired and just looking to like still enjoy life there's an incredible back to ageism which is still not really being talked about because of the way technology has worked I think we're sleeping on people 50 to 90 60 to 90 70 to 90 you know like you'd be shocked on some like you know Back to the way our heads work, we don't think a 68-year-old can work the register and edit our videos.

45:45There's plenty of 68-year-olds who are taking online courses to do social media fucking post-editing. Next question. Please. So we are creating the unscalable intimate moments. We're doing a loyalty tour. So we're having one this Saturday. Tell me about it. So basically, you come in, you show that you have your target receipt and you get free tea. you get free right because you've done this CPG partnership with Target you're trying to support that you say now a Target receipt that you bought our stuff or anything at Target our stuff respect respect got to buy you down somewhere else okay how are you letting people know about that so we've used mostly Instagram we've used it and so it's it's happening it's happening and the RCPs are beyond what we expected.

46:39Expected. Did you run ads locally, or was it all organic? It was all organic. I think the thing is, though, it was here in Brooklyn, but we're in stores all over the country. That I understand. Yeah, so, like, how we reproduce this in Iowa. You don't. So what do we do for Iowa? Because I think our problem is, is because we got put into place into cities and rural areas that have no knowledge that we even exist. Yes. We thought we were going to get a soft launch pad. We didn't even get started. We didn't even get launched in New York until this upcoming November, right? So what do we do with those places who don't even know to follow frequency?

47:17We're doing some ad things. Ali is a digital marketer. Tell me about that. That's where I want to look under the hood. So we... Do you know the... How many doors in Target are you going to be in? We're currently in 104, about being 168. So I would run five mile radius ads on all 168. Yeah, we did zip codes. We did zip codes. And are you in the content? No. Bad. So here's what I would do. If I own this company and we were three partners, I would say we've got to make 168 videos or use AI to capture our voice and replicate it. And literally it is us. And literally it is us. And your story is so compelling.

47:58It's not super complicated. It's an awfully compelling story to rural area five mile radius people. let's understand why Target did what they did and that's good for you. You make videos and say hey we're us. The opening line of the video is hey like let's just pick a town where do I know where there's a Target? Clark, New Jersey. There's a Target in Clark, New Jersey. I know that because it's my dad's former shopping center where he had his liquor store. Literally the video is hey Clark, New Jersey Target shoppers. We, hi it's me, it's me. we are running this ad within five mile radius of that Target.

48:41You will not believe this. We have our product in the store. Then tell them the tear jerking story or the emotional story or the human story of how hard you've worked. How long have you had it? Six years. Yeah. We've been painstakingly building this one store in Brooklyn for six fucking years. Maybe don't say fucking, but it would mean the world to us if you would go to Target this weekend and pick up, we promise you it's the best tea. By the way, here's our, you could go this far, our phone number. If you don't want to blow up your phone, here's our email. Here's our Instagram. Please DM us. We want to know and thank personally every single person that buys a tea bag from us because this is our fucking lives.

49:23And if this doesn't work at these targets, they're not going to give us more targets and we don't know what we're going to do. Pull at fucking heartstrings. five mile radius, you'll know how to do that on every store, all of them. And if you have to, because you don't know how to fuck with AI, do 168 videos, then do 168 videos. If you can get an AI trained on your voice where you can like save yourself time and just type in Clark, like the lips move and you're like, hi. You know, like the whole, like, Mr. Black, the Simpsons episode. But like, but honestly, my thing of why I'm not even scared if you don't do the AI thing is when your life's on the line, like that's what's great about a small business.

50:04This is our lives, right? When your life's on the line, I just think that you'll sit down and say it. Like you could chop it too. You could like literally do the first part, maybe show as you're talking. You could easily be smart about it. You just need to film, hey Detroit, Target, hey, you know, da, da, da. And then have like the second sentence be a voiceover with like maybe showing your store. This is our store. And then you kick in the rest of the video so you only have to film, right? You see where I'm going? Five mile radiuses, 50 bucks, boom, boom, boom. It will work. It will work. One more quick one.

50:39Please. You didn't mention threads. Yeah. Why? Threads deserves to be mentioned. It's just waning users so fast that I'm scared. Threads and Pinterest are like on the shelf over here. I'm for it. I'm just trying to make sure y 'all really go to five and six. even though threads keep showing up that it's doing well, Facebook's just vigging it by forcing people to download the app. Like, the audience is declining. But I'm not against threads. Threads, by the way, for most of your businesses, even though Pinterest would work for y 'all, like, I like it more than Pinterest. By the way, on the record, add it, but the virality in there, I don't see as much.

51:24And all of you are going to rely on the virality. but I'm not against it at all. And to be just getting the threads post from your Instagram post is an easy way to just see if it's there even though it's not contextual to it. Plus I don't have it fully mapped and I like to speak from a place of expertise but if you're feeling comfortable there but look, TikTok has the most virality chance. I wasn't kidding what I said about 8 million for them. TikTok has the most. It doesn't fit everyone here. Good news, every platform is going through the TikTok thing. LinkedIn same thing one video I have 4 ,000 next one 400 ,000 YouTube short same shit first video 1 ,000 next one 250 ,000 so they're all about to go through it because it's the right thing for all of us it's the right for the platform it's the right for us people you follow you follow them because you worked with them seven years ago you don't give a fuck about their dog so like your interests matter more than who you follow everybody if you enjoyed this podcast please go back and look at the prior episodes.

52:26They're loaded. I appreciate your attention and thanks for being part of this journey. See you later.

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In today's episode of 4Ds, I talk with entrepreneurs and social media marketers looking to grow their businesses about how one post can change everything, what your number one goal as a channel should be, and how it's not about "or" but "and." I share my two cents on how to stop being a bottleneck for your content, and how to curate and grow platforms like a podcast or a social media channel. Hope you enjoy!

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