In short
Gary Vee’s “audio experience” episode mixing fear-to-action psychology with 2026 business bets: Substack monetization, live shopping, AI influencers, and measuring business “impact” (not vibes). It also argues for radical accountability, “100% of yourself” online, and candor with self and loved ones.
Guests
No named guests appear in the transcript. The conversation is between Gary Vee and host Scott (Scott Clark).
Guest backgrounds (from transcript)
Gary Vaynerchuk (“Gary Vee”) is a public figure and entrepreneur with VaynerMedia and an ecosystem including VFriends, NFTs, and multiple companies; he cites VaynerX doing $400M revenue and “11 businesses.” Scott is the interviewer/host.
Key claims
Fear is useful when it makes other worries feel small; people who don’t act will either be forced by events or die “bitter.” AI is inevitable and will create new jobs. Tactics matter less than mindset/discipline. Success requires accountability and forgiveness. Online differentiation comes from showing up as your real self.
Notable examples
Facebook investment risk (2007) felt manageable because fear was about death, not money; selling digital products on Stan; AI replacing yellow pages/tractors; Gary’s candor story about firing an employee; “impact” example of benching a player for dropped passes despite effort.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOOvercoming Fear and Taking Action
1:00 to 1:40
Gary discusses the importance of recognizing and overcoming fear to take action in life.
“What's the message to people that are living with fear who don't take action because you can give them every single piece of advice under the sun?”
The Impact of Upbringing
1:40 to 4:40
Gary reflects on how his childhood shaped his approach to fear and success.
“What I built was a byproduct of that foundation.”
Understanding and Utilizing Fear
4:40 to 7:40
Gary explains how he learned to understand fear and how it has driven his decisions.
“No shit I was willing to bet the farm and give all my money to Facebook because if I had lost it as an investment in 2007, I would have been okay because no one was dying if I lost my money on Facebook.”
The Consequences of Inaction
7:40 to 10:00
Gary emphasizes the dire consequences of not taking action due to fear.
“So you suck and you're the goat in my brain, in my soul, transfer the same way which is zero.”
The Importance of Hitting Rock Bottom
11:28 to 14:00
Gary discusses how hitting rock bottom can lead to necessary change and action.
“Visit redbull.com slash getting it done and answer a couple questions about your work style to get a Spotify customized playlist tuned to your productivity.”
Overcoming External Control
14:00 to 14:40
Explore how external influences can limit personal empowerment.
“Brother, so many people are struggling because they've given up the power to someone else.”
Agency and Accountability
14:40 to 15:30
Discuss the importance of taking ownership of one's life and actions.
“I definitely don't think I'm better than.”
Self-Reflection and Candor
15:30 to 16:40
Understand how self-awareness and candor impact personal growth.
“when I talk about taking control of your own shit in your own life, that's where I get the most hate.”
The Power of Forgiveness
16:40 to 17:45
Learn how forgiveness can empower individuals to overcome past trauma.
Navigating Relationships with Candor
17:45 to 18:50
Discuss the challenges of practicing candor in personal relationships.
“to go on to have joy and a great family and potentially even financial success.”
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The Evolution of Self-Awareness
18:50 to 19:55
Examine the journey towards greater self-awareness and honesty.
“I would blame a bad employee when I would fire them sloppily because I gave them no feedback and it would just be this random out of left field firing.”
Balancing Personal and Professional Candor
19:55 to 21:04
Explore the differences in practicing candor in personal vs. professional settings.
“When I'm on Scotty's podcast, I'm talking to the world.”
Authenticity in Self-Dialogue
21:04 to 22:30
Learn how to maintain authenticity in self-talk and its effects on success.
“But then I mentioned yourself, which is probably the hardest because people are delusional and they lie to themselves and they can't be candorous with themselves and I think that's what leads to a really shitty life.”
The Impact of Self-Deception
22:30 to 23:30
Understand the consequences of not being honest with oneself.
“So the reason I've been very candorous with myself is I've wanted to be a top 1 % human winner.”
Building a Supportive Circle
23:30 to 24:51
Discuss the importance of surrounding yourself with the right people.
“That's the curveball of this conversation.”
Light vs. Deep Relationships
24:51 to 26:05
Explore the difference between casual and deep relationships and their value.
“That's right, because here's what happens.”
Being Authentic Online
27:34 to 28:00
Discover how to present your true self in online spaces and content creation.
“K-pop demon hunters, Saja Boys breakfast meal, and Huntrix meal have just dropped at McDonald's.”
The Journey to Authenticity Online
28:02 to 29:18
Discussing the importance of authenticity in creating online content.
“A participating McDonald's while supplies last.”
Gary's Business Strategy for 2026
29:18 to 31:36
Exploring Gary's intentional approach to business and impact measurement in 2026.
“It's very rare for me to do stuff like this, but I have one this year, which is called intentionality and impact.”
The Future of Content Creation: Substack and Live Shopping
31:36 to 36:20
Discussing new opportunities for creators through platforms like Substack and live shopping.
“to my pickleball team's game in Central Park this summer because they go down the rabbit hole of Gary.”
AI and Accountability: Embracing Change
36:20 to 39:46
Examining the impact of AI on jobs and the importance of personal accountability.
“Well, you talked about AI influencers and that's a big thing people are worried about.”
The Mindset for Success
39:46 to 42:00
A deep dive into mindset, self-reflection, and the importance of personal responsibility.
“Every one of you, I got good news and I have to do this to myself too, so this is nothing I don't deploy against myself.”
The Mindset of Nice Guys Finish Last
42:00 to 44:40
Explore the distinction between being nice and being manipulative in relationships and business.
“Scott, do you know how many people say that they get walked all over?”
The Importance of Self-Discipline and Mindset
44:40 to 47:00
Learn how mindset and self-discipline are crucial for business success and personal growth.
“And like, I know what it feels like to be lazy.”
The Value of Business Tactics vs. Mindset
47:00 to 49:20
Understand the balance between business tactics and the underlying mindset for achieving success.
“Because you can't be kind to everyone else if you're not kind to yourself.”
Gary's Journey in Entrepreneurship
49:20 to 51:40
Delve into Gary's experiences and diverse business ventures, highlighting the importance of creativity and joy in entrepreneurship.
“Beast or others get a lot of accolades for.”
Fear and Adversity in Life
53:54 to 56:01
Discuss how personal fears shape perspectives and the importance of overcoming adversity.
“Nothing else is, everything else is controllable.”
The Importance of Kindness in Society
56:01 to 57:12
Learn about the declining kindness in society and its impact on future generations.
“Well, of course I can deal with everything now as a grownup.”
Social Media and Its Role in Kindness
57:13 to 58:55
Explore how social media influences human behavior and societal kindness.
“It's been happening because we've become more materialistic.”
Practical Optimism and Hard Work
58:56 to 59:12
Understand the balance between optimism and the necessity of effort in achieving goals.
“and we need people that are in good places like myself spewing love and hope.”
Transcript
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1:06That one of two things are going to happen. Someone or something is going to come along and it's going to be the moment that changes your life and you will go on offense. You will switch the light slip or you will die a bitter 80 year old. This is the Gary Vee audio experience. Gary, what shaped you more? Is it where you came from or what you built now? Where I came from. Why so easy? Why is that the easy answer? Where you came from? Because what I built allowed me that opportunity on the nuances and the actualities of where I came from, right? Where I came from came first. That's the steel and the concrete.
1:49What I built was a byproduct of that foundation. Maybe what I built has been the chandelier I picked or the drapery or how I painted the room but the building was built on the things I went through as a child and that is the steel and the concrete of the building of my world. You know I was listening to a really good podcast you did with Moshe Popeck the guy who has 11 kids he's in Miami as well and you were talking a lot about fear and I thought that was interesting because you used fear to drive you and I want you to talk little bit about why fear is so important to you because I think that most people listen to the show fear is the one thing stops them from doing what they want to do they can listen to all the advice to get all the YouTube videos they listen to you those to all the people that have done it before but it's whatever you want to label it as imposter syndrome fear whatever there's a label that they've applied to themselves and it stops them from moving forward so you coming from a childhood that had fear in it how did you I don't I don't even know how to say it, weaponize it to a degree so it was useful for you.
2:58You know, it's funny, the way you asked the question, I think a lot of people would think that where we're going is that classic like, you know, I'm gonna show them. Or, you know, it's that when you take that poison and you become a bad guy, actually. Like, you know, Darth Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi, they're very close, but they came from very different places. You know, I would argue that I did not use fear. I understood fear. I will tell you that my ability to understand fear was fake early in a world where people currently are in their 50s, 60s, and 70s and don't realize that truth is the reason I was able to get to where I got to.
3:47And I'm talking about emotionally, not financially. So, you know, in that interview I talked a lot about a real fear of mine that I did not understand how to control, which was the fear of my parents dying. You know, I came from two parents who lost a parent very early. My mom lost her mom at five. My dad lost his dad at 15. I had just come from the old country. People did not live. If you died at 60 in the Soviet Union, you had a long life. Death, my great grandfather who was like my go-to guy when we first came to America, passes away pretty quickly when we're here. I lived through that. So there's this death thing going on and that is worth fearing.
4:31You know, it is worth fearing, as we all sit here today, the death of the people you love the most. However, you're also fundamentally not in control of that. when that is your framework as a child all of a sudden bad grades losing a fight having a girl not like you and then as we get older losing a job losing money having the neighbor have a better car than you all of a sudden everything feels very small and what What happens is when everything feels very small day to day except this monumental tragic event in one's life, well then life starts to feel very light. No shit I was willing to bet the farm and give all my money to Facebook because if I had lost it as an investment in 2007, I would have been okay because no one was dying if I lost my money on Facebook.
5:31And that's it brother, that's how I used it. I was so scared of it, the big thing, that it made everything else around me feel small. And then when I got to 18, it didn't happen, right? I left the house to go to college and I became a big boy. And even from 20, in my 20s I still feared it. In my 30s it started to subside. In my 40s it started to subside. And now I just turned 50 and honestly, I'm in house money now. You know, I'm in fucking house money, boy. Like, I'm so grateful that my parents are with us and they're young and I got lucky they had me young. But I'm in house money and so I'm chilling.
6:13I won and now everything else is secondary. And then of course you get older, I have two children. What's worse than losing your parents? I don't even want to say it out loud. We all know what it is. And so you live life, you fall in love. All of a sudden this person that used to be a stranger is put into the same category. You have siblings like I did along the way. They're now put in the same category as my parents. You have a best friend, Brandon Warnicke is in that category now. I get emotional about the thought of him. I'm feeling it right now. Of his passing, I secretly wish I died before him because I don't want to be there at that funeral.
6:51And so, you know, man, everything's so easy for me, Scotty. Why am I a public figure? Because I can take the heat. When people are like, Gary's full of himself or fuck this guy or he sucks or he's overrated. I'm like, there's nothing that, that is so minuscule. I don't even like, you know, but on the flip side, Scottie, there's something pretty profound. Goes to humility. I would argue the people that know me best know my true secret, which is my confidence is not my superpower. It's my humility. You know, in the same way that I don't hear them say, you stink, you suck, you're overrated, you're full of yourself, is the same way that I don't hear people when they put in my comments, you're the goat, you're this, you gave me some this.
7:32or like a nice human like you gave me some nice pleasantries before we started. Those are compliments and I don't think I'm better than because of those compliments. So you suck and you're the goat in my brain, in my soul, transfer the same way which is zero. Like thank you, thank you grateful for you're the goat and I'm sorry you feel that way I hope everything's okay with you when you say I'm a piece of shit that is how my brain sees it I think it has nothing to do with me and I move on because you had such you had such a deep fear that it made all the other bullshit kind of irrelevant Correct.
8:23And luckily my deep fear was worth fearing. My deep fear was not, I'm not going to be famous one day. I have to go to Hollywood and be famous. My great fear was not, I'm going to be a millionaire one day. I need to be a millionaire. You know, those were not my great fears. So people, I don't think, we'll generalize, which is not good, but we'll generalize. I don't think when people are trying to figure out their life and take action, they're worried about that. Everybody has that deep fear, but that's not the fear of stopping them from taking action. So when people listen to you, because I'm sure you experience this, people, you'll meet somebody at a conference, they'll listen to you, and then like five years later, they'll probably see you at another conference and they haven't done anything yet.
9:09Oh my God, it's a story. I'm sure some have done a lot, but they haven't done shit. It's the story of my life. I am sitting in rarefied era because I moved first in social and I was who I was talent-wise where I have affected a scary amount of people's lives. It is like the great joy of my life. On the flip side, it means that I've not been able to break through too many more. So why is that? Why, when somebody has, not why is that, I know why it is. What's the message to people that are living with fear who don't take action? Because you can give them every single piece of advice under the sun.
9:45That one of two things are gonna happen. Someone or something is gonna come along and it's gonna be the moment that changes your life and you will go on offense. You will switch to light switch or you will die a bitter 80-year-old. That's it. That's it. That's all I can say to someone right now who's listening, who's 43, who can feel in their tummy, there's more. They need to get divorced. They need to double down on their relationship. They need to fix their marriage. They need to start a business and quit a job. They need to get a promotion. They need to go tell their boss how they actually, whatever these things are, right?
10:21there's a lot of parents right now realizing they're raising spoiled kids and the fear is to have the conversation, to cut the kid off. There's a million things we all go through, right? Here is the answer. Either this podcast, what I'm saying right now is gonna make you do it, something else is gonna make you do it, a tragic event is gonna make you do it, something random and lighthearted is gonna make you do it, or nothing will happen. But if nothing happens, you will die more unhappy than you could have been and the more you're not addressing it and the deeper that thing is, the more angry and lonely you will be.
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11:56That's tough, dude, because I think that a lot of people have to hit that rock bottom before they take action. I love rock bottom. I actually think I want to push more people to rock bottom. I actually think slightly hovering, like I think more people need to drown. I think just having their mouth above water and that's their life forever is actually the problem. I prefer them. I prefer a rock bottom. How does a drug addict or an alcoholic switch it? They gotta get to rock bottom. I want people to get to rock bottom faster. I'll give you an example. One of the things I believe in and I'll say right now with the hope that this triggers action from someone is every single person listening right now, you're treadmilling, you're walking dog, you're in the car, you're like getting it.
12:39Like we got you because I feel like these, Scott's doing a great job. I do this a lot. Like we're in it right now. We're in pocket. You're a bitch.
12:50Everything that is wrong in your life is your fault. The amount of people that are listening right now, Scott, that are straight complainers and they have enablers around them, their mommy, their spouse, they have enablers around them, Scott. Like, I don't know, they're a bitch. And like, now people are triggered and like, Gary, what the fuck, like, you don't get it, I had an abusive, like, everybody has adversities. but you're grown now. Like you're 31. Like when's it time to not blame mommy and daddy? Like you don't like the politician. Like I live in New York. Like people are like, oh, the mayor.
13:28I'm like, move. Move to Connecticut. Like I don't know. Like you're in charge. Oh, you don't get it. I have a shitty husband. Separate. Well, Gary, you don't get it financially. I'm like, get a job. Like it's really interesting and it may sound like hard. It might sound like out of touch, which is so not it, but fine, you want to go there. Another excuse, by the way. It might sound hard, get it, truth. But it's intoxicating, Scott. Brother, so many people are struggling because they've given up the power to someone else. Their spouse, their boss, their parents, a politician. I mean, all these politicians, all they do is weaponize fear to keep you in the cage mentally and emotionally.
14:16My friends, everyone here is capable. Everyone here is capable. You can be a bitch and a complainer and a dweller and all your circle is a bunch of other bitches and complainers and you can get out. Today. Like this might have just like, I might have just poked your zit and you're like, fuck it. Today is the day. I hope so. By the way, anybody who really knows me knows these last three minutes was only for that because I got nothing but love. Nothing but warmth. I'm not trying to hurt feelings. I definitely don't think I'm better than. I'm coming from a place of desperation to shake someone who clearly nice isn't working.
14:55It's like kids, right? Like nice, nice, nice. Sometimes you gotta spank the fuck out of your guy. And I know that's not popular these days and it's not allowed anymore. But I have a funny feeling Gen Xers and older who are listening right now, we know. We know why we are fucking capable. Because we got that little smack across the face when we disrespected. Now it's like a talk or not even a talk. There's no consequences, no ramifications. Life has got to be balanced. We've got to be purple out here. There's too much blue for some people. That's the number one piece of hate that I get. When I talk about agency, when I talk about ownership, when I talk about taking control of your own shit in your own life, that's where I get the most hate.
15:35But it's not hate. It's where you get the most exposed hurt. It's not hate, Scott. You're not getting hate. you're getting people to come out and expose their weaknesses. You're not getting hate. No, you're right. I know I'm right. You're not. It's a mirror. A hundred percent. I'm poking zits in these last five minutes out of such a good place. I'm fucking busy, Scott. I really shouldn't be doing this podcast. Real talk. I'm running a half a billion dollar revenue. Not valuation, the bullshit. My companies are gonna do over half a billion dollars this year. I have seven meaningful companies. I got a lot of work to do.
16:11I really shouldn't be doing this. What the fuck am I doing the last four minutes? I'm trying to fucking help someone because it makes me feel good because I was taught that way and I love human beings. It's not hate. It's you're exfoliating people. They're coming out, bro. The blackheads are coming out of the nose. They're just blackheads. Like in your nose. You're pinching it out. bro you're pinching that what is that hot steam and you pinch it and then the little shit comes out the fucking oils or whatever the fuck that shit is like you're exposing has nothing to do with you when you're talking about you're accountable here's my point if anyone on earth has ever made it and I say made it by gotten to joy and potentially financial success if anyone man my new phone my new computer is fucking me up I gotta get these do not disturb Stan I don't know why they're breaking through anyway if anyone ever has made it that looks like you right well then you have no excuse if anyone who has been abducted kidnapped alcoholic father beaten mentally abused if any person exists on earth that was able to get to the other side empower the greatest skill a human can have, forgiveness.
17:44To dig them out of the depths, to go on to have joy and a great family and potentially even financial success. Well, then I say there's an example and now we have to talk about that. 100%. Because I get that you want to wallow in your mud, which allows you not to do anything hard. Scott, I can wallow. I got all sorts of shit. I love a good lazy. I did it all through school. I can lay in bed all day. No bullshit, Scotty. Like when I rest, I like a good lay in bed all day. You know? I get what it is. It just can't be my life. It needs to be the occasional gift. You know what's interesting is you are super candid.
18:29I mean, you're living like the Kim Scott book. You are candid as fuck and I think that's what's so refreshing. I think that wakes people up. Publicly. Let me be vulnerable. Publicly. Gary Vee is the most candorous motherfucker on earth. My crypt night in my life, everything personally and professionally that has not gone well in my first 50 years of life was my inability to be candorous to the people I like the most. But also with yourself. That's the thing I'm going to ask. Well, it was funny. I was candorous with myself. In my 20s, it was a blind spot. I would blame a bad employee when I would fire them sloppily because I gave them no feedback and it would just be this random out of left field firing.
19:09I would blame them because Ricky was working at the liquor store for two years, lazy. I would give micro feedbacks. I would use passive aggressive comments, razzes. I would try to get there, but it was never direct. And then I would fire him and he'd be like, fuck you, dude, what the fuck? Where's this coming from? And he would walk out and leave the store and the next several hours I'd be like, what a fucking ungrateful fucker. Like I fucking carried him for two years. I was overpaying him the whole time. He fucking was late. He wasn't good. It was in my 30s when I started being like, wait a minute, there's something brewing here, right?
19:46Like I'm contributing to this. And it was in my mid 40s where I had the, uh-oh, I can see it now. It is this candor, oh shit. When I'm on Scotty's podcast, I'm talking to the world. I'm not talking to anyone right now. I know I'm talking to everyone right now and I'm talking to no one. But when I'm talking to an employee that's been with me for four years, or my cousin, or my grandma, or my dad, or whatever, you know, like that candor was a real, real, real, real, real challenge. And now I'm on the other side, and I'm like a five or six. Most of the attributes in life, I'm a nine or 10, because my mommy gave me that DNA and she parented it, and my circumstances were right.
20:28I was a one or two on candor to loved ones. I'm at a five or six right now, which has been game changing at my companies and I'm hoping to get to seven or eight before I go into the ground. Because I know I'll never get to 10. I know it. That's how ingrained the DNA is. Or maybe I will and maybe I'm shortchanging myself, but fuck man, I'm empathetic when something's not hardwired or taught to. Because my mom's not candorous and she's my North Star. and so you know I get the trait from her I was parented in that way again she's candorous in the macro but not sometimes in the micro and so that's life but how do you so I get that it's tough so this is interesting candor with people who are outside of your friends family loved ones easiest thing to ramp up for sure people that you work with fine you learn it I think most people listen to this will get that at some point loved ones more difficult but you know you're on a path you're learning it, it's still very important to set boundaries to make sure that you have a good relationship with them.
21:35But then I mentioned yourself, which is probably the hardest because people are delusional and they lie to themselves and they can't be candorous with themselves and I think that's what leads to a really shitty life. Can I tell you something on that? Yeah, I was gonna ask, how do you get all three to 10? Knowing that each level is more difficult. I somehow knew something that no one knows. I'm gonna say this as a secret. All right, here we go. This is very interesting. Scott, do you know why I was candorous with myself always? Because I know something that most people don't know.
22:14If you were not candorous to yourself, but you know it, right? Like you know it, but you try to disguise it, right? You are only tricking other losing players.
22:30So the reason I've been very candorous with myself is I've wanted to be a top 1 % human winner. And I know that no one can trick me. And so that means that I know that I can't trick the 1 % and everyone's living. The reason people aren't fully being candorous with themselves is they either know it, this self dialogue, they're like you suck at this and you're like no. But it's you. Don't forget, you're talking with yourself. So you actually know. It's not about the candor within oneself. It's the wanting to posture and trick everyone else about your shortcoming. Got it, brother? Yeah. How the fuck can you be not candorous with yourself when you're having the self-dialogue and you're like, hey, asshole, you suck at this.
23:16And you're like, no, asshole, let's trick everyone and try to make them understand we don't suck at this. But I knew because I was able to sniff out everybody because of my intuitive personal skills, and this became true in my 30s, 40s, and 50s when I started to get into rarefied air, the top 1 % emotional winners on earth, you can't trick them anyway, so the only way you can win with them is by being truly authentic and candorous, thus rendering me very early in my life, somewhere in my mid-30s, early 40s, being like, oh shit, I'm keeping it 100 with me because when I'm in the room with the other 1 %ers, and I don't mean 1 % financial, I mean 1 % emotionally intelligent, I am going to be a hundred with them too because I can't trick them anyway because I know how much equity people have lost with me by trying to trick me.
24:06That is the nuance. That's the curveball of this conversation. So very simply what am I saying everyone? If you want to get more candorous with yourself realize the following. If you think you're tricking someone or your inability to sweep under the rug with yourself because you want to trick everybody else about this issue, please know the following. The only people you're fooling are fools.
24:35And you're actually losing equity with the people you actually want to win with. The faster you are operating at 100 % of yourself in this world, the happier, the more fulfilled you'll be. The faster you're moving your business, your life, your relationship, everything. That's right, because here's what happens. you start to like yourself more first. This new version of yourself starts to eliminate and attract. Yeah. Bro, I love my circle and I love my outer circle and my neck circle. What's the difference? My inner circle? The fucking homies. Girls and gals that are just about good life, meaning they don't give a fuck about anything that comes along with being me.
25:19Next circle? Homies. good solid acquaintances to friends, but I know that they're really not about me all the way or about themselves. It's transactional. It's about what can we do for each other professionally, emotionally. And that's, by the way, that doesn't bother me. Like everyone's got, like I'm like Saturn. I got multiple rings. Like I don't, you know, there's some people that don't have a lot of friends because they need everything to be deep. I'm good with a lightweight acquaintance. I know a lot of people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Gary, relationships are meant to be deep. No, no, deep relationships are meant to be deep.
25:51And light relationships are made to be light. And the more community you have, the happier you are. I love a good fucking acquaintance. I love a good every three year check-in friend, Scotty. Those are good. They're good. They're good. They're like little like, you know, they're not the steak, but they're a little like summer mashed potatoes. Others are like a little mousse bouche that the chef gives you. It's a little crunk, a little crouton with a fucking mustard on top. Like there's all flavors out there. Hey everybody. I hope you're enjoying the podcast right now. Make sure you follow the podcast.
26:22That's why I'm interrupting. Let's keep going on this show, but follow the podcast. It'll make my mom super happy. It's just interesting how you look at a lot of the, even the personalities online. I try and, you know, I mean, not even a tenth the audience of what you've built, but, you know, in my friend group, people always ask me for help on social media and how to, you know, put themselves out there because they deal with all the shit that we're talking about right now. They deal with fear and anxiety and stress and showing up online and being themselves. And we'll talk about AI and AI influencers in a second because people ask me about that a lot.
26:58But I said, listen, the one thing that will differentiate you always is your ability to bring 100 % of yourself online. This episode is brought to you by Indeed. Stop waiting around for the perfect candidate. Instead, use Indeed Sponsored Jobs to find the right people with the right skills fast. It's a simple way to make sure your listing is the first candidate C. According to Indeed data, sponsored jobs have four times more applicants than non-sponsored jobs. So go build your dream team today with Indeed. Get a$75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apply. K-pop demon hunters, Saja Boys breakfast meal, and Huntrix meal have just dropped at McDonald's.
27:39They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not a battle. So glad the Saja boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day. It is an honor to share. No, it's our honor. It is our larger honor. No, really. Stop. You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side. A participating McDonald's while supplies last. As possible, if you want to create content, and this is something that you've been speaking about for forever, so I know it's not new to you, but I think that people have such a hard time doing that. They put on this veil when they put themselves online and all the influencers, whatever personalities, you want to call them whatever you want to call them, you notice that if you look at their content, when they first start, a lot of them are a shell of themselves but then fast forward, the successful ones found a way to become 100 % their true selves.
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28:36So I think that when you're trying to put content out online, when you're trying to differentiate yourself from whatever AI is out there, the faster you get the reps in that allow you to get comfortable to put your 100 % self online, I think that's how you win this game. But that's not even online. That's just the thing that people come to me to ask about. It's just in life. It's in careers, in relationships. It's everything. Yeah, I mean, I've been spinning that song since 2009 on the internet. I could not agree with you more. What changed in 2026? because I know that you, 2025, you were building business, Gary.
29:14You were building VaynerMedia and all the different, you know, you have a whole bunch of companies underneath it. What's the 2026, Gary, bet? Leaning more into brand Gary Vaynerchuk again, Gary Vee, and leaning more into VeeFriends, my Pokemon Marvel Sesame Street, and living a motto, which I only live, like every seven or eight years, I'll come up with like a yearly motto. It's very rare for me to do stuff like this, but I have one this year, which is called intentionality and impact. I'm being very intentional around my 10 businesses, my 50 executives that are kind of roaming, that are homies, that are like doing different things within my ecosystem, and I'm measuring everything on impact.
30:02So it's a very sports year. It's a very, I like sports so I'll use it. It's a very like one of those psycho football head coaches that like sleeps in his office to four in the morning and like for the big game. Like if the whole year is a week of a big playoff football game, I'm in the office watching film, talking to my players and my other coaches from seven in the morning to three in the morning, coming home, giving the family a kiss, sleeping for four hours and going back out. Like real intentionality strategy. and then I'm gonna measure the results on impact. Like if my players are trying hard in practice on Thursday before the big game and they're trying hard and they're the best kid but they dropped four passes, like they may get benched.
30:44I can't measure on intent or loyalty or karma or vibes like I tend to like to measure on. 2026 has to be around impact and that's because I feel like I do that every five years or so. You know, since COVID it's been a different game for me, different circumstances, million different variables. And I don't know, I feel, and honestly, I'm just doing that because I intuitively feel I need it and I want it and I want it for my organization and my people and the ecosystem and I'm excited about it. It feels natural and intuitive and that's why I'm even doing this podcast, right? I haven't done a lot of shows, but I want to be more out there because Gary Vee, the brand, is the top of the funnel of all my, people will listen to this podcast, rediscover or discover me, or change their mind about me.
31:31because I went deeper. It's not just one 30-second clip on social. Right, Scott? And that may lead to them showing up to my pickleball team's game in Central Park this summer because they go down the rabbit hole of Gary. They learn about all the different things I do. And for them, taking their kids to a pickleball match in Central Park is the joy and all the good stuff they get from me in the next nine months. That will be the thing. And I think about things like that. So when you say you're measuring, you're measuring differently in 2026. You're measuring on impact as opposed to some of the other vibes, good feelings, whatever that list of things are.
32:07What does that actually mean though? I'll explain. Yes, you're top of fun. I'll explain. More and more podcasts. I'll explain. But what does impact mean? I was talking to somebody on my team on the VFriends team who's been with me a long time talking about VFriends social media and she said, XYZ, XYZ and I said, but it didn't get any views. That was it. And that's not an answer. That is a Gary Vee answer. But it's not a Gary Vaynerchuk answer to that person around this issue the last 12 months, and it is now. It's just a merit year, you know? Because I know that person works 12 hours a day. I know that person is carrying the load of other people.
32:42And it goes to like, hey, if you want to succeed, you may have to hold the people underneath you accountable. I, at my best, motivate and create safety. I, at my worst, create entitlement. Because I'm a superhero. I protect everyone. If I'm doing the hunting and the gathering for everyone, I always say, tough to be hungry if you've been fed. I am my worst. Feed everyone financially and emotionally.
33:14You know, you're very specific about how you want to make impact in 2026. I know you speak a lot now about AI. You speak about AI influencers. You speak about live shopping. I saw your setup that's just set up for live shopping streams. So I hear you're speaking about Substack a lot. I know you just did a partnership and an investment at The Stand. So there's a few key plays, right? So I want to understand because you have a great ability to see shit way ahead of when the rest of the world sees shit. So I just mentioned a couple key things. we can go in a couple different directions but out of those four things I just mentioned what's the most exciting or pick one good news because now you primed everyone's palettes let me bounce around and go rapid fire so everyone gets their lick on what they heard from you I'm pumped about Substack because I'm happy for writers even though Substack is becoming more of an overall social network because they got video the fact that people that write fiction and non-fiction or journalism can actually get people to pay them$199,$399,$699 a month, that's now accepted, not all content is free.
34:26And like, people can make a living. They used to be a third tier writer at a magazine that wasn't giving them a chance, now can be a personality on Substack and like keep all the economics for themselves. I'm intoxicated of this opportunity for writers. I am not one of those people. My writing comes from me talking and being turned into writing. Live shopping. There are millions of people trying to be famous influencers. Many of them do not have the ability or destiny does not have it in them for them. However, they are destined and are capable of being salespeople. They are destined to be stars of the QVC meet social media era we're in, which is live social shopping, TikTok shop, Twitch, whatnot, eBay live.
35:09We're in this incredible era of this next massive opportunity, which is humans are stores and personalities and are selling in feed of these social media apps and these new standalone apps like Whatnot, huge opportunity. It is the side hustle. It is the career change. It is the empire that many people will build. They will sell stuff of their own or other brands' stuff on social and build huge, huge opportunities. Stand Store, investor, advisor. It is a place to sell digital access or digital products. There are many people who have a million followers on Instagram but don't get brand deals. They talk about cooking and they can make a$29 e-book, you know, cookbook on Stan's store.
35:57Literally make posts on social, say go in my bio and buy the book and we'll change their life. I've like been blown away by people in this Stan challenge I did last year for eight weeks that had never sold anything in their life. Anything. And were able to sell digital products. That's hard. You know, or one-on-one meetings or whatever they want. So I recommend people checking out Stan's store. What was the fourth one? Well, you talked about AI influencers and that's a big thing people are worried about. Well, why would you worry about something that's an inevitable outcome?
36:32Like, I don't know why people were scared about AI. Like, we were scared about electricity, made the world better. We were scared about cars and planes, made the world better. We were scared about television, typewriters, the internet, home computers, mobile devices. I know a lot of people are like oh but you don't get it Gary made the world worse no it didn't you might have an ideology around you know like the good old days like the data supports what I'm saying not what you're emotional about like do you know how many Scott for everyone who's worried about like losing a brand deal because of an AI influencer they're gonna have their mother live seven years later because an AI is gonna diagnose a cancer earlier than a human can like this is a ludicrous conversation yes people are going to lose their jobs people lost their jobs when Google came out there were 60 ,000 people selling yellow pages advertising that lost their jobs I mean you know like when the tractor on farms was invented almost everybody worked on a farm 150 years ago everyone's like oh now everyone's is gonna be out of a job.
37:44No, no, we got better jobs. We built corporations, we built media companies, we built inventions. I don't understand what people think here. You might be in trouble. Like the person listening right now, you might be a 45 year old designer that works in Adobe that doesn't have a single creative idea in your life and you take dictation from someone and you go and Photoshop and make it and now that is being replaced by Nano Banana. Like yes, you might, but again, as this conversation started, you know this is coming so where does accountability and self-reliance jump in? Like, you know, this is life.
38:21Like, this is life. Like, we are all gonna face adversities in the macro and the micro. You might have a perfect life, perfect life right now, and tonight your spouse is gonna tell you that they went to the doctor and they've been terminally diagnosed. Now you have a very shitty life. This is life. This is why I have gratitude so much, Scott. Today's a good day. No one died. It's a great day. It is a great day. No, I think that, so I think that people, they live in fear. And Scott, I want to say something. I'm sorry. Yeah. There's a lot of people that don't know me that just said, easy for you to say, you won.
38:57No, no, no. I won because this is how I thought in my teens and 20s. Scott, you know who's interesting to interview? Not me. You should interview the people that knew me from 15 to 25. They'll give you the answers to the quiz. Because the people on the other side right now don't believe me because they view me as successful. And they think everything coming out of my mouth is because I am successful. And I know the reason I'm successful is because everything coming out of my mouth was there before I was successful.
39:32People look for every single reason as to why they're not where they want to be. and AI is just another excuse. Correct, and the answer is in such a very simple place, in your fucking mirror. I got the answer for all of you right now. Every one of you, I got good news and I have to do this to myself too, so this is nothing I don't deploy against myself. Tonight and tomorrow morning, look at that mug in the mirror. That's the one. That's your problem. That's the issue. And I know you're used to hearing it and it's cliche for a reason. it's out in the ether for a reason it's called it's fucking true you are capable no matter what you think listen if you're so bougie that you're used to your luxuries and you don't have the humility to take a step backwards to make yourself actually happen who's happy whose fault is that like if you don't have if you have so much insecurity aka ego that you can't trade in your BMW for a Toyota to get that extra hundred bucks a month or 200 or 300 in your lease back into your pocket so you can save for a year to then do the thing that you're saying you don't have the money for.
40:47Well, whose fucking fault is that? The government's? It's just yours. It's just yours. It's just yours. Scott, do you know how many people blame Trump for all their problems and then blame Biden for all their problems and now we're blaming Trump again for all their problems? A lot. I'm aware. I have a huge company that analyzes the sentiment of everything being said on social media. Like, Scott, do you know there's a 39 year old woman right now listening to this that blames everything on their mom? They're 39, Scott. Was it 22? Was it 18? Was it 25? Was it 30? Was it her 31st birthday? When was she supposed to take on the accountability?
41:26Meanwhile, she's spending money on dumb shit. How about therapy? How about meditation? How about exercise? How about listening to podcasts like this 24-7? Kudos for listening to this. Where is accountability in your ecosystem? I blame myself for shit that's logically not my fault.
41:46I'm gonna say that slow, it's an important sentence. I blame myself for shit, circumstances, issues that logically are clearly not my fault if the world judged it. I'm like, no, Gary, why are you doing that? Sam was such a dick. well I didn't have to engage with Sam. I could have sniffed out Sam. Scott, do you know how many people say that they get walked all over? I say nice guys finish first a lot and I get so many people triggered by that. Fuck that Gary, you're so delusional. I'm a nice guy, I get shit on. I'm like, you're not a nice guy, you're a manipulator. You're doing nice things with the expectation of someone doing something nice in return.
42:28Being nice and being kind and giving means without expectation.
42:38Do you think, do you think, because you are the epitome of why I created this podcast. You're the epitome of tactical plus mindset. Yeah. That's the goal. I agree. Do you think that your mindset and the things you talk about, because you keep going back into it and leaning back into it and I gave you the floor and you could have gone into operator mode and talked about the most practical sub-staff. And you do. Well, by the way, here's, Scott, I apologize for interrupting you. Everyone, don't get mad at me but I'm going to a moment. Scott, I know they can all chat GPT it, bro. How do I use sub-staff?
43:19Ready? Let me help. I own a flower shop. I listen to Gary V on Scott Clark's podcast. He talked about sub-staff. This is literally the prompt in audio form to chat GPT. I listened to Gary. I want to use Substack to drive my business. What are the five best tactics?
43:36The fucking tactics are worthless, Scotty. Why you're not doing the tactics is the interesting part. Why you don't have the discipline. Why you don't have the habit. Scott, me and my trainer just had such a great morning today. I wanted to go in the gym today with the same energy that you want someone to come to your house right now with a sword and cut your face off. And I woke up and I did not want to go and I was thinking about everything I could text him. Look at my throat, listen I'm a human, like I'm like, you know? And I fought and I got there and we did soft tissue and I'm working on reactivating my glute med because my muscle detached from me at 18 when I hurt my back and trying to get my adductor and QL better, this is for all the trainers everyone, I'm going through a great mission and all this and like, man, the joy I had leaving the gym this morning at eight o 'clock in the morning, leaving the gym at eight o 'clock in the morning after being working last night to midnight because I'm in the trenches of crypto Twitter, building up VFriends, NFTs, because NFTs are rising again.
44:39The greed era is over when the collector era and all this stuff, right? And like, I know what it feels like to be lazy. I don't want to work on my health and wellness. I want to eat garbage and never work out. It is in me. It was how I was brought up. I don't want it. I hate it, and for the last 12 years, I have fought daily to be better, and it has profoundly been good for my life. I want people to do that around their self-esteem versus their insecurities, and I want them to do that around their work ethic and their business strategies and things like that. But the business strategies are declining in value, the mindset's increasing in value.
45:15It's rare. It's very rare. That was the question. The question was, what do you think has the most impact? When you're measuring for impact, Is it the tactics, is it the strategies, is it the mindset? And I believe the same thing. You can Google every single tactic on earth. Building a business is hard work but it's not complicated. Everything you gotta do. And there's people like me that you're right. I got some weird ass luck of pattern recognition and curiosity and like, yeah man, I do intuitively have a little bit of like, I've got the gift, no different than Beyonce's got a voice gift and LeBron's got a bass.
45:55I have a gift of taking very early information and kind of knowing how the checkers are gonna play out while everyone, how the chess moves, excuse me, are gonna play out while everyone's still figuring out if it's a game of checkers. I'm already into checkmate and chess. That is my great business skill. I'm very grateful for it. And the fact that I'm intellectually, that I am intellectually generous. and by the way, I'm talking about me right now. There's a lot of people like me that we live in a 2026 world where you have characters like me that are running around that can actually see around quote unquote corners and then out of being perfectly parented by the best mother of all time want to go out and give that information away for free at scale and are good at it so it shows up in your feed?
46:44What? The only thing that's left is your relationship with yourself your relationship with yourself, how you feel about, Scott, I think I'm the best of all time. I'm acutely aware I'm not, but that's how I feel. And that's the starting point of me being kind to everyone else. Because you can't be kind to everyone else if you're not kind to yourself. No wonder everyone's a dick face. They hate themselves. But my question to all of you that just resonated with that is, why? Because if you do not like yourself, I want to remind you that someone else put that in your mind. that is not your true essence with you.
47:21And I am here to take that shit out of your mind.
47:28You need zero validation from anyone else, but I think that that ties into something that a lot of people struggle with. I think they're always looking for outside validation. Yeah, I think I got so much validation from my mom and from the merit of results in business and sports that it became my framework, right? I had this loving parent, and then I was addicted to merit. All I cared about was business and sports. School's not merit, Scott. Class participation is subjective in 35 % of some grades.
48:01Sports is merit. Miami lost last night. We're filming this right after the national championship. I have no idea what Scott's doing. That's for context. Miami University lost to Indiana. The end. I don't know. I'm in Miami. Yeah, the end. They lost, right? I know. Now they had an incredible year and actually made a great run, but they lost and Indiana won, right? VaynerX does$400 million in revenue. We have one of the biggest agencies independent in the world. People can say GaryVee, you know this about me maybe, because you're like really in tune. People sometimes in my comments are like, what does this guy even do?
48:38Because they think I'm a motivational speaker. Or a rank. I know this. I know what you do because I'm in the marketing world, but a lot of the people that my peers who know you have no idea. Correct. That's not subjective. When people are like, what does this fucking guy do? All you do is yap, yap, yap. I'm like, okay, but I also do this. Then even deeper, some of the biggest things I've ever done, I don't even talk. I was the co-founder, co-created the idea with Ben Leventhal of Resi, the restaurant app. I co-created that. Even people that do research on me don't know that. I started a wine brand called Empathy Wines that I sold for tens and tens and tens of millions of dollars to Constellation Brands.
49:18That is a huge success of a creator creating a brand. The thing that Logan Paul or Mr. Beast or others get a lot of accolades for. Most people don't even know that part of my story. I do many things. My sports agency is red hot. My restaurant group is red hot. I'm building the next fucking Pokemon in people's faces and they can't even see it. I'm one of the most successful authors. I'm one of the most compensated public speakers in the world. and most of all I'm a nice guy and guess what? Most people don't know that and I'm okay with it brother. It keeps me up. I can rant on it right now when you bring it up as a context point.
49:54I'm saying all this to explain to people I don't need the cheering. I need to see if I'm good or not. I'm curious Scott. I want to see if I can build all these. Am I the greatest business juggler of all time or not? That's what I'm trying to figure out. Why? Why are you trying to figure that out? Why have you, because that's what I can figure out. Why don't you go all in? Because it's fun. It's more fun. I'd rather make less money and be happy. I like it. It's joyful. I'm creative. I'm a little bit more creative. I'm a little hippy-dippy. I'm a little bit more like fucking a nomad. I'm like one of these funny fucking, I'm like one of these funny people.
50:37I'm funny, bro. If I didn't have business, I'd be like a really interesting, like gypsy kind of weird ass dude. Long beard, talking about spirituality. Like, I don't know, because I'm an entrepreneur and I'm creative.
50:54That's it. It's fun. It's more fun for me to juggle 11 businesses, three break and fail, eight do well, but they make half the money if I went all, you know this, Scott. If I went all in on VaynerMedia, it'd probably be doing 2.3 billion right now. I'd have a lot more money. But I don't, I didn't want money when I didn't have it. The fuck do I want money now when I have it?
51:24What do you say no to? I need to say no to a lot more. One of my great weaknesses is I'm obsessed with maybe skewing to yes. But I say no to, you know, I say no to people wanting to do anything during two things right now in my life for sure. Sundays when the New York Jets play or when my son has a basketball game. That is no. No, no, no.
51:52I say no to my teams when they're presenting information that means nothing. I say no to one hour meetings when I know they're 15 minutes. I say no to my leaders who are trying to deploy manipulation or politics on their teammates. I say no to the universe of people that are listening right now when they want to blame anybody but themselves. Today we helped a... Latte for Sam. ...coffee shop get an insurance quote simply and easily and made sure... A floral delivery van was able to make someone's day. We're the Hartford, with decades of experience insuring millions of unique small businesses. When it comes to your small business insurance, one size absolutely does not fit all.
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53:54What scares you now? The death of my family. Still? Still. Nothing else. Literally nothing else.
54:05Nothing else is, everything else is controllable. Gary, are you scared of like a civil war in America? I'm like, no, bitch, I'll go to New Zealand.
54:18I don't know, like, and by the way, I can afford to go to New Zealand in a good way, but I have the mentality of going to Peru with a dollar. So now what? How do I lose, Scott? They freeze my assets here. Like, let's say, like some weird civil revolution in America, and they freeze my assets. One, I got a million buried in the backyard. Two, let's say I can't get to it because I got to go now. I'll start from the beginning in Peru with my family. We'll go. We'll have a garden. It'll be nice out. Let's go. Like, who gives a fuck?
54:52I love this. I love this idea. This is something that has made me able to take risks. The idea of like, who gives a shit if it fails? If worst case scenario happens, if everybody's alive, healthy, well. You wake up tomorrow. Scott, how can I live in a world where you start a podcast in a year and be like, did you guys hear? Gary lost all his money, made five bad decisions. I guess everybody was right. I was a fan. I had him on the show four years ago. I guess the guy was over his skis. He wasn't as good as we all thought. Why would I live my life on that? Who gives a shit? I'm gonna live my life on tattletaling and gossip?
55:27The fuck are we in? Fourth grade? Friends, we're not in fourth grade. I'm not worried about the whispers
55:39and let me tell you why Scott back to adversity if I could go through my childhood in the 80s and early 90s in New Jersey where grown ups my friends, parents and teachers looked me dead in the face as a 9 year old an 11 year old, a 14 year old, a 16 year old and said you are going to be a loser in this earth if I could deal with that Well, of course I can deal with everything now as a grownup. This is why adversity is good. They said I was going to be a loser because I got bad grades, everyone. They couldn't see the charisma. They couldn't see the salesmanship. They couldn't see the competitiveness.
56:14They couldn't see the tenacity because that was the rules of society back then. And I think today we don't see the kindness. I think we all don't judge people enough by how kind they are. But I think those will be next generation winners. In fact, I have a comic book. I don't know if you do videos, Scott but even if you don't we got a good YouTube put it up there this is one of my favorite I want every kid on earth to fall in love with this kindness is the ultimate strength I'm like literally making like I'm living my truth I'm like I'm gonna make a fucking feature film out of this, Scott I'm gonna have everybody lined up at the Chinese theater in LA I'm gonna make Kind Warrior fucking Superman if it's the last thing I do why?
56:54because kindness needs to be put on a pedestal not money not followers not check marks, not status, not handbags, not Mercedes, not private planes. Kindness, motherfucker. Who the fuck are you? Not what do you have. I feel like the world has lost a lot of kindness since COVID. Me too. And bro, it was good news. It's been happening because we've become more materialistic. I love capitalism. I'm an entrepreneur. But extreme capitalism and technology, I love, as we talked earlier, but we don't have respect for our elders anymore. We've lost civility. Politicians have become complete shitheads. They're like fucking teenagers.
57:38And parenting has not held accountability. We need more moms smacking their 14-year-old son when they're disrespectful. A lot of things have happened. It's not one thing. You know what? I need your last opinion on this because this is real. I feel like social media is the most powerful tool for good but also for bad. And I think social media is to blame for a lot of lack of kindness. I don't think so. I think it's a great exposure. It's an empty, there is no social media. Scott, there is no social media. It's just people. Do you blame podcasts for ruining the world? Never. Okay. Well, guess what?
58:21There's a lot of podcasts that spew unlimited hate. Brother, there is no social. There is no podcast. There's humans using social. There's humans using podcasts. This is a parenting pandemic of the last 40 years. This is a mature empire issue. This is an entitlement issue. This is a self-esteem and insecurity issue. And this is a lack of loving yourself issue, which then shows you're worse because then you start hating others because you started with yourself. We need to get to some real old school values and we need people that are in good places like myself spewing love and hope. But practical optimism.
59:04I'm not out here on some delusional, this is the secret, everything's kumbaya. You have to fucking work. And that's that. I gotta go, I love you. I love you so much too. Thank you so much for having a second to come on. Where do you want people to connect with you? They can find me. they can find you. I appreciate you, dude. Have a good one. You too, man. Hey, everybody, if you enjoyed this podcast, please go back and look at the prior episodes. They're loaded. I appreciate your attention and thanks for being part of this journey. See you later.
From the publisher
In this episode, I talk about the biggest opportunity you have in 2026: Intentionality. I encourage you to stop measuring your life by "vibes" and start looking at the actual impact you’re making in your business and relationships. I also discuss the inevitability of AI, why I’m betting big on Substack and Live Shopping, and why your biggest problem is the person looking back at you in the mirror.
You’ll learn about:
- The Power of Radical Accountability
- Why Kindness is a Warrior Trait
- How to Navigate the 2026 Digital Economy
- The Importance of Candor with Loved Ones
- Why Fear of Failure is Small Compared to Real Life
