The Social Media Era Is Ending: AI, Voice, and the Rise of AR Glasses

27:33And we know we see what you're seeing and we're going to try to figure this out. Instagram's going to have to figure something out. But for the meantime, try to be authentic because authenticity is going to win. I feel like we're off to shaky ground if we're thinking about authenticity in relationship to a machine. I feel like that's already out. I think authenticity should have nothing to do with the AI or anything else or you see people saying, okay, this means go more, no makeup and just you, but I don't even know where we're going with that with authenticity. That's a great, I love how you think.

28:07A couple things. Let's go backwards. is it authentic to make art on a canvas? It's one of my favorite historical events. When the canvas was invented, all the artists said - It was radical. They said it wasn't real. Movies? They said, if you make art on a canvas, it's not real, you must make it on a building. The amount of people that just heard that that had never knew that and they think that's real art and like an NFT, no way, digital art, right? Right? So machines, was it authentic for people to show up on radio and television? Because that was a machine. So like those are machines. Did that require, did that require, like did you have to, did Martin Luther King have to just, was he only authentic to the people that were on that lawn?

28:56Because fuck, I surely felt something, I went to MLK Elementary School and that was a big deal for me as a kid, that speech. You know, I get where you're coming from, but I think it goes further back. Like, was it authentic to write down words on a piece of paper with an ink pen versus saying it to someone? I don't know. It depends on, my point of view is the intent and the actions are the authentic part, not what's distributing it. Yeah. And totally the intention. because we quickly go to authenticity just being don't put effort in. I mean, if you're looking at someone like Wes Anderson, I'm sure his movies aren't cheap to make, but they're authentic to him.

29:40Well, that's right. So authenticity, it shouldn't even be in comparison to others or machines. It's what is interesting to you. Plus, what can you do? Like you earlier said my sub stack. Like I'm so, not jealous or envious, but like, I'm like, man, I'm so capable of communicating with my words and thank God that can translate into written. but to write, I've got nothing. And like sometimes authenticity is incredibly insular and solo. Totally. It shouldn't be a performance. The fact that we immediately went to how you present yourself to the world and it comes down to how you... That's missing the point.

30:16I agree with you. It's missing the point. By the way, actually back to the original creator, I am one month away. In a month will be the 20th anniversary of me making my first YouTube video. YouTube wasn't even six months old. Congratulations. No lighting, no audio, and I did that for five years. And by that time, everybody did have lighting and audio. And I don't know, it just like, it felt just fine, and guess what, it did great. And it worked. Because I knew what I was talking about with wine, I was knowledgeable about wine, I was passionate about wine, and I really wanted people to learn about wine that were under 40 from a non-pretentious person so they could enjoy it instead of thinking it was some academic test.

31:00Yeah, totally. But that goes to intent. I feel like I can do that with an AI movie right now too and it will be authentic. Whatever is interesting to you, if you are someone too that likes the frails and likes the perfection just because people are saying AI can maybe do that, if that was where you, that's what inspires you, keep doing that because we don't want to adapt away from ourselves because of a machine and I think we're running in circles around it. There's a really funny saying that modern parenting has for little kids that says, this is the saying, they'll say to a kid, don't yuck, they're young.

31:36And my kids are 16 and 13 and I heard that 10 years ago and I was like, that's awesome. That's how I see life. This was more about like, don't say that kid's snacks are not nice. Because they love them. Right. That's interesting to them. But that's where you're going and that's just like, I'll be honest with you, that's like, in fact, it's my number one thing. I don't understand people's audacity to think that people should see the world the way they see it. I'm passionate about sharing my observations but I'm in the business of conviction not convincing and I think we are all spending way too much time on convincing.

32:13I agree. Okay, I want to step into the agentic economy because I think we see it quite similarly and we talked about it a little bit. And you had painted an example at an event you were doing a fireside chat, and just in case anyone's listening that isn't familiar with what is going to happen in a voice-first agentic economy, can you give us an example of where we could be going, and then we'll talk about what that could mean for people who think they have a message to say, and how does the agent find you, or a brand? Yeah, I think what you're setting me down a path of is this concept where you just walk in and you're just like, hey, Alexa, I have six boys coming over for dinner tonight, and I want pizza, and one of them's lactose intolerant.

32:54enter, you're done, you don't even say enter. I'm like laughing that I'm saying enter. You know, we're in a place where you're gonna talk this out and if you do not name the brand or you're not specific, the agentic is gonna make the decision for you. It's a very big deal. We're also gonna set our preferences. There is a day of reckoning coming where I can tell you for me, I'm gonna set the deodorant I buy and it will be set and repeat and the agent's gonna buy it for me and I'm not gonna be seduced by an end cap at Walmart and like will an ad on social media compel me enough to change my settings?

33:31Maybe, actually possibly. In fact, that could be the biggest of them all. You can really prove advertising in a world where imagine if Amazon buys Snapchat, has a feed during that short-term era as we're changing platforms and I see an ad for something and I'm not liking it. I'm actually resetting my preferences on the reordering of my shampoo to this shampoo. You're gonna find out how valuable advertising is fast. It is about to change so much. I think if you're buying a wedding dress, sure, you're gonna be in the mix, you're gonna be watching, looking at - Or, or, check this out. Or for some people, pickles.

34:06You're right about wedding dress, of course. Sure, these high ticket items. Correct. I'm actually really fascinated by pickles. Do you like pickles? I do. Good, me too. Do we like pickles enough that we're really gonna be deliberate about it? No. I don't think so either for me, but let me give you one that I will be, just because this is fun, wine. I'm not gonna be like, hey agent, just$20 wine, whatever you think, best deals, go. Uh-uh, I like wine too much. I'm gonna be in there with, it's gonna be and. 90 % is gonna be you. Price, convenience, set, reorder for me, reorder, like the product's gonna be internet of things, when it's down to a little bit, it'll reorder itself, all that.

34:48But it'll be fun to see who cares enough about pickles to set pickles. Will you do toothpaste? How do you feel about toothpaste? I'm chill on it. Me too. Give me something mundane that you're not chill about. Perfume, beautiful, there you go. So let me say me, could give a fuck. I'll be like whatever, actually, back to where the world's really going, I'll go to Atria, my bougie place here in the city, they're gonna do blood work, and whatever the right math is, I don't care, right? So like, but for you. I'm comparing it, I'm running it through an AI, I'm just. That's right, and you're gonna not let, you're not gonna be like, order supplements, just keep me good.

35:24No, no, you're gonna be in. We're gonna converse about that. And so I'm painting the picture that I think we're all going to, which is, we're gonna all learn that everyone has things that they really care about. I mean, there are people listening right now that'll be like, I'm not letting my AI order my beer. I'm gonna be specific. Sure, and there's a place for you. That's what's gonna be so awesome. We're all gonna be in a place of, and it's gonna be so cool, we're gonna figure out what we actually care about, and things will change. I may have my beer set and forget, just so I have beers for company.

35:50And then I might go on a trip and I'm like, oh, I'm into micro brews now. And then I might reset it. And that whole interface of like watching your life of like what you care about, what you don't care about. Some people think you should really care. I'm gonna blow you away. You said car? I don't give a fuck. That's crazy. Because I know car is like big ticket. People really care. The logo, the color, the leather. I don't. So Gary will be like car. Best price, best deal. Like whatever the arbitrage is that I care about. time, convenience, you know? Yeah, yeah, AI will meet you where you are. And for me.

36:25And where you are at all times. And also, you're gonna set your intentions. So for me, with food, I would be like, okay, I have people coming over to pizza party. Organic, try to go low on the microplastics if you can. Either way, this is my budget, I'm good. I don't need to see what it looks like, and I don't need to pick things. Somebody else might not. My wife spends 15 hours trying to make sure where every single part of the food she puts in her body is clean, now AI will do that for her in a real way too. But then how does the pizza parlor, Break through. The supplement person, the somebody who has something to say, where are you in that stack?

37:02I don't know, and I kinda know. Here's what I mean by that. I have some ideas too, okay. So first, what Google did as being a toll booth for the world for 25 years is wildly misunderstood.

37:18OpenTable, Kayak, Priceline. The amount of companies that were built on top of Google Search to become massive companies on the arbitrage of Google Ads, Bookings.com, Travelocity, I mean it's insane. That's about to happen with LLM's agents and what have you. There's going to be, but the question becomes, do the companies that have the control of our attention want to get into the businesses. So will Google with Gemini during this era, because there's so little friction, will they decide instead of sending people to H &R Block, do they want to become H &R Block? Does OpenAI want to get the ad revenue from Geico?

38:04Or do they want to compete with Geico because everyone's going to go through their funnel? So to your point, how do you break through? One, this is gonna send the world into a frenzy of understanding why brand is so important. You know, there is, like, this goes back to religion. Like, things are gonna have to really matter or it's just gonna all happen in the backdrop. How you get something to matter will come in a million ways. Back to your point, I'm actually massively bullish on experiential marketing. Popping up at Coachella and the Super Bowl, doing your own stuff, having a running club, hiking club, fishing club, you know.

38:39I'm very into it. But again, I think the way the world's gonna work is whether it's, we're still gonna live, right? Ready Player One is gonna come at some point, some version of it, but we're still gonna live for a little while, especially us who are listening right now. I'm going to the Super Bowl in a couple weeks. That's Saturday, I'm gonna walk around before the game and do events and go to parties. By the way, I really did take note of your t-shirt, it's funny you brought it up. I take note, I'm like, that's cool, I want that. Like maybe I don't want my AI to keep ordering me blank black shirts.

39:13Maybe I want that one. I'm going to be able to in two seconds be like, I want that. And it's going to go cook. And so like in a lot of ways, it might be more extreme. See where I just went? It might be more, no friction. You can have what you want all the way. And what makes us want something is word of mouth, a conversation, walking down the street. You know, it's kind of like. Real life influence. Real life influence, right? But by the way, there's going to be something that we consume. Sure, we'll be digitally connected. No one's going, yeah. Correct. And so whatever the YouTube or the Instagram or the TikTok of the day is, whether it's an AR app, I mean, look, if Meta wins, I promise you Instagram's going to have a place.

39:58If Meta wins this, they're not going to be like, it's going to be something. and by the way, it may be as mundane. I'm looking at you right now, there's a blank wall here. It is potentially as mundane and this will break your heart maybe depending on your vibes right now. Like it might be that scrolling. I don't think so. I do think in the short term it will be. I think sure. Yeah. Like I said about the radio ad, exactly. Long term, definitely not. It's going to be unrecognizable. Yeah, of course. It has to be. Because history has told us that. Yeah. Yeah. But I think, okay, so how does, if you are an economist that has some course to sell or whatever it is that you're doing in the future understanding yes how how brand how things resonate with people how you sell a mission that you bring someone on board that's i feel like we're now in a time where it's really easy a tiktok finds you because of algorithms and that's the selling part i think you're gonna have to make your brand so resonant and so because everything can be instant and everything is going to be much more, I don't know, I think it's going to be trickier but maybe easier.

41:04Yes, I think you're thinking about it so right. And notice I said the same thing. Here's what you and I don't know, which is why I don't even think about this shit. I think about it in the macro, but I do not try to go further. It goes back to discovering Pearl Jam in a bar. I will know when I see it. That's it. You got it? You and I agree. I'm sure people are like, oh wow! And I'm saying, the next this part that you're trying to do, in your world that is meaningful and you need to do, you do you. I can tell you for me, what's gonna happen is, when it's here. You'll see a signal and it'll be like, this is.

41:40That's it. When Vine was five seconds in, I'm like, this. And then Jerome Jarre, Logan Paul, and King Batch, I understood it and I also knew, I'm like, uh oh, short form, remember six seconds only. And I was like, uh oh, this is a new paradigm, right? And now here we are, right? Like we're in a shorter form, snackable, some people think it's slop. I'm like okay, one man's slop is another man's dinner, right? So I think that, I think the principles are the same. I think you're right. I think, I'll tell you what I like about your vibe. I think you're right that we're in the very early pre-doin, yes, I think you're right.

42:22In fact, I know, let me phrase, I really think you're right that we're in the beginnings of the crack. I think that you're young. I can tell you what mistakes I made. I thought they were gonna happen faster. I'll never forget, when I launched winelibrary.com in July of 1997, thank God I wasn't making prediction videos, I was like, by the year 2000, everybody will buy everything on the internet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So these gray hairs come in handy. Notice how I said some things, you're like, oh, wow, when I said 10 years, you know? It takes time, because look at what's happening with AI. There's so many dynamics you can't predict.

42:58Several years ago, I was like, oh shit. Because I had some nerdy ass friends, I'm like, oh fuck, AI's getting close. Right? I don't think I could have even understood how profound it really was, but I was like, oh, it's coming close. I could have never predicted then, even though I knew it was close, that there would be such a backlash. Because I couldn't have predicted that everyone was gonna be so scared shitless that they were gonna lose their job, that they were gonna be mad at AI in any form. Do you know that most people's negative opinions of AI in a commercial, in content, is all actually predicated on their own fear that they're gonna lose their job because of AI?

43:39As you know, they're not even gonna know if it was AI-generated or not. The technology's too profound. We're all gonna consume unlimited content in 24 months and have no fucking clue if it's real or not. Now the girl's blurry. You're like, oh, that's an AI model. We're dangerously close for no one having any chance of guessing. I think we're already here. I agree. I agree. I agree, by the way. I don't think anyone can tell. I think we're in an era where, let me say it a different way. I agree that every person listening has consumed an AI person and did not know. But I think you know what I'm about to say.

44:14Many are consuming AI people in their feeds right now and they can tell it's AI. Got it? So that's gonna go away. So I'm with you on the first part, I know that. It's the second part that's gonna get them. I think, and where it gets AI gets really interesting to me, because the pressure that I think we know we're at the beginning of whatever's gonna come next in social, we're seeing the cracks, it's not even unique to social media as an industry. Any tech company that was, any tech incumbent, born of the internet era, is feeling the pressure. We're seeing it with dating apps. Netflix, okay, so Netflix stepping into the creator economy, they're going to be putting some YouTube videos on Netflix.

44:51Podcasts. Podcasts, great. Everybody was really excited. The headlines were, this is amazing. Amazing if you're a creator or a podcaster. I didn't see this as a good signal for Netflix. To me, this is an incumbent under stress. They're stepping into a mature industry. Podcasting, the creator economy, it's a mature industry. We're going on almost two decades. Netflix is a tech company. Yes, they're in the business of Hollywood, but they are first and foremost an innovator. And for them to not be reinventing and instead stepping, I mean, to me this is consolidation. Let me tell you how my, yeah.

45:23Let me tell you how I process that. Yes and. That's it. I think you're right. It's the classic Hollywood, it's the last 80 years of media. Consolidation, fragmentation, pendulum swings. Consolidate, break up. New things come up, consolidate, break up. I mean, it's the same old shit. Summer Redstone was trying to do this 25 years ago with Viacom, like in cable. It's all the same thing. but we don't know what they're doing. That's one thing for you and I that like you know To look at the market signals but we don't know what they're actually working on. Especially in the game that they're all playing now which is the secrets of what they're working on have too much value.

46:01And that's even with AI companies no one's talking anymore because everyone's copying. What I'm waiting for in entertainment and I'm actually not interested in watching a movie with digital twins of Leo and Brad Pitt to me that's not interesting and that again isn't what the future is just an automated present I think no one's doing that, or hopefully not. What's interesting to me is the kid that's in their basement right now, working with AI to bring in a new type of entertainment that we can't even imagine. And it seems so radical as going from Broadway to movies. It's a different type of entertainment.

46:33I agree. And I think when the distribution is more voice and glasses and not phone and television. It's going to all make sense. Correct. To your point, I could not agree more. There is a seven-year-old girl right now in her basement in Toronto who is working on something and she will be our Scorsese and our Spielberg and it's gonna be an immersive AR environment and we're gonna be like, holy fuck. It's too obvious. That's right. And it's great. And it's great. But I also think in the same way that from an ironic lens, people want to read a newspaper. Totally. They'll want to sit down and watch a movie.

47:09or reboot their old iPhone from 2026 and go through, like I think social in feed, you're so young, you're gonna see the whole thing. You're gonna see people doing it in 40 years as a counter to full immersive. This is gonna seem like the simple day. Yeah, yeah. And when you power this with AI, and this gets interesting, when you have all your photos, you have all of your calendar, everything that you've done on your phone, you could one day theoretically pass this to AI and say, make me a documentary of my life. I mean, by the way, I mean, that's why I filmed myself every minute. Oh, you're gonna have, yeah.

47:43Like for five and a half, for seven years. And passing that down to your kids? Oh my God, I mean, we are so aligned, you're right. Like the early videos is like, I know this is weird, I'm having a man follow me in a camera back in 2015 when I did DailyVee. I'm like, but do you understand that I didn't know either of my grandfathers? Do you know how cool this is that my grandchildren are gonna be able to like really know who I was? Not all, like me? Holy cow, only famous people used to have a glimpse. This is way deeper. Yeah, footage of your life. Okay, so people are listening now, and they hear us talking about the creator economy.

48:15It's going to look like something different. We're going eventually somewhere else, and you're on maybe a five, ten-year time frame, even though things are trying to change now. I mean, I'm a creator, so I benefit from this world, and I know it's changing. What should creators be doing today to start positioning themselves for what's coming, going more agent first? How should we, what should we be posting doing, showing up? Not getting over crippled by tomorrow. Yep. So it's flying two planes at once. So step one in all this noise, keep doing what you're doing if it's working. Yep. The more people know who you are, no matter what happens in technology, that is going to matter.

48:57So I actually would argue the number one thing a creator can do right now is squeeze the living shit out of the discoverability that is TikTok. I have transformed to every platform. I'm one of the few humans on earth that has millions of followers from LinkedIn to Snap, YouTube to Facebook, right? I've done it in real time. In fact, it's one of my biggest pet peeves of creators that they're too one dimensional. That they're only on one or two platforms. So I go vertical. This is gonna go horizontal and so that's got a whole different thing to it but the amount of brand and awareness they create right now will service them incredibly well.

49:38Right? Now, the transition, here's where you're going. The transition of like we're all here and now we're all over here. They have to make sure they make that transition. Right? Because the MySpace friends I had did not. Dane Cook could be the biggest, I mean he had whatever his wants and needs are, Tila Tequila, whatever her wants and needs are, their personalities, but they didn't take their MySpace fame and attack Facebook and Twitter the way I thought they should or could have. Right? So I think it's extracting, but this other plane has to start to be built where you have to start challenging yourself to know what's coming.

50:15You need to know what lovable is and vibe coding. Maybe it works for you. You need to know what's going on with live shopping because you might be better at the QVC part than the content stuff. You need to start trying to use an agent or AI for research. You have to start getting on the treadmill because the marathon's coming. Right? So you gotta get on the treadmill. You don't have to become you and a fucking savant or technically deep, but you have to start flirting. You have to start flirting while extracting. I can tell you for myself, I plan on going nowhere. And I'm trying to extract the fuck out of the current and I'm dangerous and I'm knowledgeable about tomorrow.

50:52And what it seems like you've done, and I think every creator needs to be able to do, is what is your value proposition? You have to be able to answer the question. What is your value proposition decoupled from the medium of the moment? So it doesn't matter what the platform is at this moment. Maybe it's YouTube, maybe it's TikTok, maybe it's whatever comes next. But what your value proposition is, you can translate it on all the platforms. This is why I've told so many people through the years, don't trade on looks, they go away. Don't trade on, you know, like what are you trading on? Yeah, what's your mission?

51:20What's your value? Whatever the medium of the moment is, it should be independent of that. It's above that. Well, that's why everything has worked for me. Like I'm audience, what's in it for them? I'm in a full 51, 49 mindset with the world. I wanna give it more than I'm asking for in return. Makes me feel like I can never lose. This podcast, what am I doing here? I'm desperately trying to say something that brings value to your audience. I have context for your audience. It allows me to deliver content that has a higher propensity to do well. I'm not worried about like, who's gonna discover me?

51:56I'll take it. I'm a human. I'd like it. I'm deft. I'll tell you one thing because I know how I roll. I really hope that somebody who used to think I was a bozo because I was yelling in 13 second videos like wait a minute, there's a little more depth to that Gary Vee than I, of course I'm a human but my main intent is I need to respect this distribution. We're here now. Your context and how do I as a human being say things that might bring value, that might be a compliment to the things they're hearing from you, which gives them two data sets that allows to, oh, it wasn't me siloed, it was you prepping them three episodes ago, saying something that's been in their head.

52:35I have a little spin on it, a different voice on it, and all of a sudden, pew. Yep, yep. And okay, and this would be more of a personal question. You're over under on live. I know you're saying live shopping is the future, and I think it's the present. do you think that that's also the on-ramp to where we're going next in terms of a social ecosystem? Well, it's happening too. In fact, I would argue Twitch and Kik and these live streamers, Kaisenet and Aiden Rollo, I would say that's even further along than live shopping. I would say live is very obvious. Massive. I think you would slay. It's a huge commitment.

53:15It's a crazy thing. It's not for most because it's a level of always on that is intense. but like I would say what's going on on Twitch and Kik right now, YouTube Live is massive. And I think in doses, like a 24 hour a-thon with you answering, hey everybody on the podcast, I'm sure all of you would love her to commit from a nine to nine, 12 hour available to you, come to this Twitch, I'll answer questions because right now you're getting her brilliance through the podcast. They want to be able to interact. That's the digital version of what you're talking about in analog, that's the halfway point.

53:50Yeah. Live, and it's really interesting because it's participatory. Everybody's there together. So it's not just asynchronous. It's sports. Yeah. It's sports. It's real. We're all in the, correct. And it never happens again. It's awesome. And to me, I don't know if it's. Well, but not only does, but it's actually double good. But then. You can share it after. Of course. They clip the fuck out of it and put it everywhere. You build more when it's right. It's a production day. I don't know if live is the off ramp of what's not working today. People are ready to be more synchronized in community.

54:15Or it's the on ramp for the world that we're building. We're about to wrap up, obviously I can feel it. I just wanna say something to you that I also think is gonna really land for everyone else. You strike me as dangerously close to a next level. And I'm gonna say something right now that I desperately hope brings you value, because it's wildly intended for that. As I'm recapping this last hour, the more you think about the not what's not working but what's about to work I feel like that's gonna really service you well. Thank you. My ability to not dwell or get myself over concerned about the many things that are not working because in a macro I have incredible belief in the human race because we've proven it will actually create a different energy in you that I think will extract your brilliance even more.

55:18I genuinely believe that. Thank you. It's on the record, so I'll take note. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. Do you see where I'm going? Yeah. I think you're just a conscious person. You know, I think that helps you a lot. And I think, you know, man, there's so many things that are challenges and there's so much going on. But I think the reason I got into root causes, self-esteem, parent, like real shit, is all these are just byproducts. You know? Like, you know. So you paint the picture for people. Gary, everyone's lonely. I'm like, they don't have to be. Right. We just talked about the online dating phenomenon.

55:53Like, a girl that's getting picked on in her class at 14 right now, she can go home and go on Twitch and be with her homies. Or Fortnite, or social. I don't know, I think we're in an incredible place. And don't forget, I'm part of the era, 2008 Obama, all that. Like this stuff was changing the world. It was Nirvana. We're on the other side now where a lot of the, we're getting exposed. To our shortcomings are coming out. Our angst is coming out. I think technology is wildly historically obvious that it has been net good for humans. Penicillin was a good invention. Electricity was a good invention.

56:34The automobile was a good invention. and unfortunately someone today will drive drunk and hit someone. You know, I think we focus on the.001 % of bad and don't see the 99 % that's good. I really believe that, by the way. And I think for you specifically, the way you're thinking and the way you're rolling, I felt very compelled to share that. Thank you. I'll take it. I appreciate it. What a great point to end off. All right, I think we're good here. Thank you. Thank you. It was just a pleasure. For me too. That's a wrap. Thank you. Awesome, thank you. Was it good? It was amazing. Good. Thank you.

57:11You're welcome. Yeah, that was really interesting. Lots to think about. What stood out for you? On a quick hot take. I think we think about the future in similar ways in terms of where social behavior is going to go. The question marks of what we can't fill in yet. I'm not crippled by. I'm not crippled by it. I have to figure some of it out for my work. I literally do. That I respect. That I respect. And I alluded to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That to me what's so fun about what I get to do is I get to counter punch the truth. I'm not forced to, you know. Yeah, yeah. But that's why I wanted to tease it out with you because I was like okay there's nobody else that has been as right but is also as in it.

58:00And it's hard to also understand social and how people behave on it if you're not also in it. A hundred percent. You have to be a part of it to understand this is why we react in this way. This is why certain things go viral. But a lot of it, what gets really interesting is the individuality. The lack of accountability right now is a very big issue. This whole, like, it's their fault. It's become the easy scapegoat for society which clouds the data. Yeah. Data can have got skewed. Okay, I'll stop rolling. I don't know everything. Awesome. So, you finished right? Yeah, but we're gonna do the intro, too.

58:37Sure, for sure, yeah. We're gonna re-roll for the intro. Sure, sweet. We gotta go, we good? You're on the run. Yeah. Awesome. Bye. Thank you. Awesome, thank you so much. I wish you well. You too, yeah, you too. Well, thank you. Thank you, enjoyed it? Yeah, good. Fantastic. Thank you so much. Thank you. Bye-bye. Yeah, good luck. Thank you. We'll see you.

59:02Amazing. You were listening? Over here. Yeah, how was it? I thought it was really smart. I think it was a lot more energy than the last one. Yeah, I like my energy in the last one too though. Oh, push, thank you. I was being very introspective.

59:20The first one was much more personal. This one was much more future AI base. also the host of this one, just a lot more, I was talking to her before and she didn't like any technology in her own personal space. So I thought her questions were very interesting compared to her personal stuff. Yeah, thank you. You have a meeting. Yeah, thank you. Good job.

59:55How are you? I'm well.

1:00:02I'm in the city. I just did a podcast. Very brilliant lady. Young lady, like real futurist girl. Super fun convo. One of my favorite podcasts I've ever done. Are we waiting for AJ or no? We should start or? Okay. I'll wait one more second. We'll start if he's not here. There he is. What's up, bro? No problem. Jace, you're looking at kind of the inner circle, you know, family vibes. You know, everybody's, obviously, me and AJ have been together for 38 years or whatever, however old AJ is about to be in a couple weeks here. But, you know, 39, oh wow, man. Oh shit, you 40's gonna fuck me up.

1:00:52but you know Sid's been running my team for a decade or so and Kaylin's been at Vayner for 13 years everybody if you enjoyed this podcast please go back and look at the prior episodes they're loaded I appreciate your attention and thanks for being part of this journey see you later