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12 Apr 2026 · 57 min · 35 chapters

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In short

The BBC documentary/podcast “The Sarkozy Affair” traces alleged Libyan funding of Nicolas Sarkozy’s 2007 presidential campaign, centered on secret 2005 Tripoli meetings involving a convicted Libyan figure and later claims of cash deliveries, culminating in Sarkozy’s 2025 conviction and 2026 appeal.

Guest backgrounds

Fabrice Arfi, investigative journalist at Mediapart; Andrew Hussey, writer on Modern France; Christine Lagarde, former French finance minister (2007) and later ECB president; Alain Mank, long-time Sarkozy adviser; Danielle Klein, whose brother died in the 1989 UTA Flight 772 bombing; Melanie Oudsklin, her niece; plus mention of Ziad Takedin (Lebanese fixer/middleman) and Abdullah Senoussi (Gaddafi’s brother-in-law).

Key claims

Two high-ranking French officials allegedly met Abdullah Senoussi in Tripoli in late 2005; prosecutors say this was a “secret pact” for campaign financing; a contested 2006 document allegedly shows €50 million; Takedin alleges suitcase cash deliveries; Sarkozy denies all wrongdoing and says documents are forged/tricked.

Notable examples

UTA Flight 772 bombing (1989); Neuilly hostage crisis (1993) where Sarkozy became a hero; Gaddafi’s 2007 Paris state visit; 2011 NATO strikes and Gaddafi’s death; Sarkozy’s 2025 five-year sentence for criminal conspiracy/illegal financing; Danielle’s victim statement in court.

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The Libyan Dinner and Unexpected Meetings

0:00 to 0:37

Explore the setting of a secret meeting involving French officials in Libya.

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The Libyan Dinner and Unexpected Meetings

1:33 to 2:45

Explore the setting of a secret meeting involving French officials in Libya.

“It's 2005 and we're in Tripoli, the capital of Libya.”

The Alleged Pact and Political Ramifications

2:45 to 4:31

Uncover the implications of the meetings on French politics and Sarkozy's career.

“At the embassy, they don't know he's leaving.”

Sarkozy's Legal Troubles and Public Perception

4:31 to 6:39

Delve into Sarkozy's legal issues and public image as a former president.

“These are alleged to be the central moments of a scandal that goes to the very summit of the French state, all the way to the one-time President of the Republic.”

Exploring the UTA Flight 772 Bombing

6:39 to 8:04

Learn about the 1989 bombing that links back to the current political scandal.

“This is a tale of secret meetings, claims of suitcases of banknotes, witnesses who disappear in mysterious circumstances, and so much cash that the protagonists don't even know what to do with it.”

Personal Stories of Loss and Political Intrigue

8:04 to 10:06

Hear personal accounts related to the bombing and its aftermath.

“how few people outside of France have heard any of it.”

Sarkozy's Rise to Political Fame

10:06 to 14:02

Investigate Sarkozy's early political career and key moments that defined him.

“He's been in Brazzaville in Central Africa directing a play.”

Sarkozy's Rise and Controversial Language

14:02 to 15:36

Explore Sarkozy's ascent in French politics and his provocative rhetoric.

“Fast forward to 2005, and Sarkozy is a fixture in government with a powerful job.”

Sarkozy's Diplomatic Gamble with Gaddafi

15:36 to 18:12

Learn about Sarkozy's strategic meeting with Gaddafi and its implications.

“He knows very well, though, that if you want to be French president, you have to be a player on the world stage, not just at home.”

The Secret Meetings in Tripoli

18:12 to 20:25

Delve into the covert meetings leading up to Sarkozy's visit to Libya.

“they smile for the cameras, and the meeting wraps up.”
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Sarkozy's Campaign Rally and Public Persona

20:25 to 22:29

Examine Sarkozy's electrifying campaign rally and his public appeal.

“A local paper says the whole event costs 170 ,000 euros.”

Sarkozy's Presidential Victory and Initial Challenges

22:29 to 23:32

Discover the challenges Sarkozy faced right after winning the presidency.

“He says he'll be the champion of la France qui se lève tôt, the France that wakes up early.”

Crisis Management and Personal Turmoil

23:32 to 25:58

Analyze Sarkozy's response to the financial crisis and his personal life changes.

“In the early days of his presidency, Nicolas Sarkozy is all action.”

Campaign Finance Controversies Unfold

25:58 to 28:00

Investigate the emerging issues surrounding Sarkozy's campaign finances.

“But quietly, in the background, stories begin to emerge in the French press.”

Danielle's Encounter with Gaddafi's Visit

28:00 to 28:28

Danielle recalls a poignant moment during Gaddafi's visit to Paris and its emotional impact.

“remembers receiving any envelopes of cash in the party mailroom.”

Family's Protest Against Gaddafi

28:28 to 30:10

Danielle and affected families protest Gaddafi's visit, seeking recognition from Sarkozy.

“Nicolas Sarkozy's been president for six months, and his romance with Carla Bruni is blossoming.”

Meeting with Sarkozy and Unmet Promises

30:10 to 31:38

Families meet Sarkozy who makes promises regarding their grievances, none of which materialize.

“Our little group of families, we took out our placards with the photos of our brothers and sisters, dads and mums.”

The Arab Spring and Changing Dynamics

31:38 to 32:00

The political landscape shifts as the Arab Spring begins impacting Gaddafi's regime.

“None of these promises ever materialised, Danielle says.”

Gaddafi's Allegations Against Sarkozy

32:00 to 33:21

Gaddafi's son claims Sarkozy was funded by Libya in his election, stirring controversy.

“The authoritarian presidents of Tunisia and Egypt have already been toppled.”

Gaddafi's Downfall and Its Implications

33:21 to 34:23

Gaddafi's violent end raises questions about the role of foreign intervention and Sarkozy's past.

“This is a huge allegation and it comes out of almost nowhere.”

Fabrice's Investigation into the Allegations

34:23 to 35:21

Fabrice receives crucial information leading to the discovery of significant documents.

“The plane that fired on Gaddafi's convoy and that led to the mob, that led to the dictator's murder.”

Uncovering the Funding Allegations

35:21 to 38:29

Evidence emerges suggesting Libya funded Sarkozy's campaign, igniting a media storm.

“It's like a sort of Alibaba's cave and there are 19 ,000 documents.”

Publication of Controversial Findings

38:29 to 39:56

Fabrice and his team decide to publish findings amidst Sarkozy's presidential campaign.

“But then, in Sarkozy's trial, its credibility was once again called into question.”

Ziad Takedin's Testimony

39:56 to 40:56

Takedin shares his controversial account of cash deliveries to Sarkozy's campaign.

“And Media Part, he believes, is partly to blame.”

Sarkozy's Response and Political Fallout

40:56 to 42:00

Sarkozy reacts angrily to the allegations as he attempts a political comeback.

“Takerin says he'd pick up a suitcase in Tripoli and bring it to Paris on a scheduled flight.”

Sarkozy's Political Comeback and Gaddafi Allegations

42:00 to 46:50

Explore the impact of allegations against Sarkozy as he attempts a political comeback.

“at the time of these supposed deliveries.”

Key Figures and Missing Voices in the Trial

46:50 to 49:00

Learn about key individuals related to Sarkozy's case and their fates.

“Because at the trial, there are some important voices who are missing.”

The Court Verdict and Its Implications

49:00 to 53:36

Understand the court's verdict against Sarkozy and the consequences that follow.

“Sarkozy is in the dock, accused of criminal conspiracy, corruption and illegal campaign financing.”

Sarkozy's Appeal and Public Reaction

53:36 to 55:40

Discuss Sarkozy's appeal process and the ongoing public and political response.

“he becomes wildly rich and he destroys his enemies.”

Reflection on Sarkozy's Legacy and Supporters

55:40 to 56:00

Reflect on Sarkozy's legacy and the continued support he receives despite controversies.

“Nicolas Sarkozy still has supporters in the very highest places.”

The Stakes of the Sarkozy Affair

56:00 to 56:10

Discussion on the potential global implications of Sarkozy's actions.

“that could have completely embroiled the entire global economy.”

Personal Connection to Sarkozy

56:11 to 56:30

Exploration of the host's last interaction with Sarkozy and its context.

“When did you last speak to Nicolas Sarkozy?”

Investigating Sarkozy: A Journalist's Perspective

56:31 to 56:56

Fabrice Afi discusses his long history of investigating Sarkozy.

“he spent most of his career investigating?”

A Courtroom Encounter with Sarkozy

56:57 to 58:00

Fabrice shares a memorable encounter with Sarkozy during a trial.

“During the first trial, on a courtroom break, Sarkozy summons Fabrice over for a chat.”

Sarkozy's Response to the Documentary Request

58:00 to 58:11

Brief mention of Sarkozy's refusal to participate in the program.

“We asked Nicolas Sarkozy if he'd speak to us for this programme, and he declined.”
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1:10It's a documentary called The Sarkozy Affair, and it's a delve into one of the most bonkers political scandals you're ever likely to hear. It's the story of the rise, demise, and attempts to rise again of the former French president Nicolas Sarkozy. We hope you enjoy it.

1:33It's 2005 and we're in Tripoli, the capital of Libya. A French minister is on an official visit.

1:41Tristan Redman:There was a dinner, an evening event at the French embassy. At the dinner, there are 80 guests. There are toasts. This is Libya in the final phase of Muammar Gaddafi's rule. Colonel Gaddafi, the dictator, doesn't know it yet, but within a few years, he'll be deposed and then murdered by a mob. But for now, in our story, he's still in charge. And then some Libyan officials turned up and they said, there's someone we need you to meet. This is Fabrice Afi, an investigative journalist with the website Mediapart, who's telling us the story. He says the officials accompany the minister outside to a waiting car.

2:31The minister gets in. Later, he'll say he doesn't know at first where the car's taking him or who he's heading to meet. There's no ambassador nor any diplomats with him. At the embassy, they don't know he's leaving.

2:51The scene the minister describes, Fabry says, is practically a kidnapping.

3:00The car arrives at its destination, a villa. The house belongs to a man that the minister shouldn't be meeting, a man who's been convicted in France of terrorism. He's wanted by Interpol. Now, if I told you that after this unexpected meeting, the minister doesn't mention to his boss what's just happened to him, well, you might think it was unusual. Then, if I told you that in the final months of that same year, 2005, a scene like this didn't just happen once, it happened twice. Two separate high-ranking French government officials in surprise unplanned meetings in Tripoli with the exact same man, a man convicted of terrorism.

3:52Well, then you might wonder what was going on, and you wouldn't be alone. Because 20 years later, prosecutors say that these two meetings were the moments a secret pact was forged, a pact between the Libyan government and the entourage of a French presidential hopeful. The individuals involved all say that no such pact ever existed and that they were tricked into these meetings. But the story of these visits to Tripoli and what happened inside those meetings has engulfed part of the French political establishment for two decades. These are alleged to be the central moments of a scandal that goes to the very summit of the French state, all the way to the one-time President of the Republic.

4:42Nicolas Sarkozy.

4:54I'm at the grand old courthouse in central Paris. The former president, Nicolas Sarkozy, is about to arrive to appeal his conviction for criminal conspiracy. In 2025, he was sentenced to five years in prison for his role in an alleged plot to illegally finance his 2007 presidential election campaign. Sarkozy was acquitted of three other charges and he still denies any wrongdoing. Now he's back in court, hoping to clear his name entirely. OK, how are you? Yeah, good, thanks, good. I'm just at the Paludjus now. Sarko, I'm hoping, will arrive at half past midday or something like that. Sarko, as he's known by almost everyone in France, can still pull a crowd.

5:44There are members of the public queuing to get into the court. They want to see the man who was once hailed as the saviour of France.

5:56The centre-right politician was elected in 2007 on a mandate to drag the country into the 21st century. To celebrate his victory that night, there was a glittering party on the Champs-Elysées. The most famous figures in France were there, including Sarkozy's friend, the rock star, Johnny Halliday.

6:22Sarkozy's a man of honour, Johnny says. He's a man who loves his family and his friends. A man, he says, who could never betray his country. And yet, almost 20 years later, Sarkozy is accused of doing precisely that.

6:45This is a tale of secret meetings, claims of suitcases of banknotes, witnesses who disappear in mysterious circumstances, and so much cash that the protagonists don't even know what to do with it. They even consider destroying it. Above all, this is a story about where the money came from. French judges and journalists have been trying to solve that puzzle for years. And Nicolas Sarkozy? He says there's zero proof he's ever received any of it or done anything wrong. But the stakes for him are huge. If he doesn't win his appeal, he could spend ten years behind bars.

7:33There are no documents, no photos, no accounts, no proof. All there is, is hate. I've lived and worked in France as a journalist for many years. I covered Sarkozy for 20 of them. And I covered the downfall of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya too. I never could have guessed that the lives of these two men would collide in such a dramatic way. This story is so bonkers that I've always been amazed how few people outside of France have heard any of it. But to understand the full scope of it, you have to go back a long way. All the way to 1989.

8:26It starts with an explosion on a plane. It's September 1989. There's a bomb hidden in a suitcase, UTA Flight 772 from Brazzaville in Congo to Paris.

8:43The bomb goes off somewhere above Niger in the middle of the Sahara Desert. There are 170 passengers on board, 54 of them are French. When the plane disappears, they're all missing. Very soon in Paris, the news is everywhere.

9:03Tristan Redman:But there's at least one woman in the city who's still oblivious.

9:16Danielle Klein has had a long day. She's had a big success at work, and it's her birthday. So she goes out to celebrate.

9:27When she gets home, it's late, 1am.

9:34Danielle sees her answer machine is going crazy. She listens to the messages. There's one from her mother, then one from her sister, some from her friends. and she knows in the space of 15 seconds that her life has changed dramatically.

10:00Daniel's brother Jean-Pierre is a 30-year-old actor. His career is just taking off. He's been in Brazzaville in Central Africa directing a play. But the play is finished, so he decides to fly home early. He wants to see his daughter. My name is Melanie Oudsklin, and I was four years old when my father died in the plane crash in 1989. Melanie, what do you remember about these days when your dad was killed? I just remember when my mom told me that my father died. It's like a picture in my memory. we were sitting on the floor and she's telling me that my father is dead and

10:54my mom told me that my father was dead and he won't come back and I remember that he was supposed to take me to a park and my first question I think it was oh so we won't go to this park And she told me, plus jamais. Never again? Never again.

11:20It takes investigators a while to reach the wreckage. It's in the middle of the Sahara Desert. But once there, they find traces of explosives on the plane. There's a hunt to find who could have placed a bomb. And then they discover evidence that points at Libya and its dictator, Muammar Gaddafi. Neither Danielle nor her niece Melanie, nor the other families of those killed, could know back then that this story would still be making headlines almost 40 years later. Because the Libyan perpetrators of the UTA bombing, who were convicted in absentia by a court in 1999, have been on the run ever since.

12:03They still haven't been punished to this day. And the bomb on the plane was just one strand of an intricate web of violence and political subterfuge woven over many years by Muammar Gaddafi. And caught up in some elements of it, prosecutors say, is Nicolas Sarkozy.

12:31At the time of the bombing, on the other side of Paris from Daniel, you'd find the bourgeois suburb of Neuilly-sur-Seine. It's one of the wealthiest towns in France, and back then, Nicolas Sarkozy is its young mayor, a rising star waiting for his big break. His rise really began with a very precise, spectacular moment. This is Andrew Hussey, a writer on Modern France. Which was in 1993, when he diffused a hostage crisis in a school in Neuilly. A man who calls himself the human bomb takes over a nursery school and demands a ransom. He's holding 21 children and their teacher hostage.

13:17Terrified parents wait at the school gates. Mayor Sarkozy steps up. He enters the school and he negotiates with the attacker.

13:30One by one, over the course of many hours, Sarkozy carries several of the children out in his arms. It's all captured by TV cameras. All the hostages are saved. the attacker was killed by police, and virtually overnight, Sarkozy becomes a national hero. So his entry into political life was not really as a political ideologue or an intellectual. It was a kind of saviour of France. After the event, he was one of the most popular politicians in France, and he loved it. Fast forward to 2005, and Sarkozy is a fixture in government with a powerful job. He's the interior minister. And on the right of French politics, Andrew Hussey says, he's inspiring something of a frenzy.

14:16What he was, he was a very good showman. This alluring, charismatic, great orator who did look like, if you were in the right frame of mind, he was going to forge something new in French politics. Sarkozy has cultivated an image as a law and order tough guy, a straight talker. Particularly when it comes to the banlieue. These are the deprived housing projects outside of French cities where many immigrants live. And in 2005, there's a moment which is part of Sarkozy's political legend. He's visiting a bonnie near Paris.

14:56There's been a lot of words to describe the people in the bonnie over the years. And he came up to the hakaï. Roughly translated, hakaï means scum.

15:09Now, it's a very divisive term because racquet is a very, very old word in French. And as with very old words in French, it ends with that aai sound like that. And it's quite a powerful insult in French. La racquet! This language infuriated many people in the Bonlieus, and also many on the French left. But for his base on the conservative right, this was exciting stuff. By the end of the year, Sarkozy is the favourite to win the next presidential election. He knows very well, though, that if you want to be French president, you have to be a player on the world stage, not just at home. Now, he's famous in France, but hardly anyone knows him internationally.

15:55And he decides to do something about that. He plans a trip to meet a prominent, headline-grabbing world leader. And to the surprise of many, he chooses Tripoli and the Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi. Now, you often hear journalists say that they don't want to become the story. But when it comes to this story, it would be hard to tell it without this journalist.

16:21Tristan Redman:Fabrice Arfi, and I'm co-responsable of the Enquêtes of Mediapart. Fabrice Arfi is an investigative reporter with a French news website called Mediapart. This investigation for you has taken up a significant part of your life. I mean, I remember talking to you about it way back in 2012. Both of us are quite a bit older at this stage. I have a lot less hair. Moi j 'ai de la barbe blanche. Yeah, you have a few grey hairs in the beard. Fabrice has spent 15 years investigating this story, trying to unpick what happened at a series of meetings in Tripoli at the end of 2005. At the epicentre of Fabrice's investigation is the summit between Nicolas Sarkozy and Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, in October of that year.

17:14Sarkozy makes a lightning trip to Tripoli.

17:20Tristan Redman:He meets with Gaddafi, just the two of them with translators. Officially, they're there to discuss terrorism and migration. It's formal and it's short. The context here is crucial. This is all happening a few years after 9-11. Libya has been a pariah state for decades, accused of mounting terrorist attacks around the world, including in Lockerbie in Scotland.

17:52But Gaddafi realises after 9-11 that if Libya keeps it up as a so-called terrorist state, he could be in trouble. Times have changed. And this meeting with Sarkozy, a prominent minister of a big Western country, is a stepping stone back to respectability. The two men talk, they shake hands, they smile for the cameras, and the meeting wraps up. But here's the thing about these meetings on the world stage. The real business doesn't happen when the leaders meet. The cameras are there, but actually, the big decisions are often made ahead of time. And Fabrice tells us this is exactly what happened for Sarkozy's visit to Libya.

18:34A few days earlier, his right-hand man, a man called Claude Guéon, had already been to Tripoli. Claude Guéon is Sarkozy's chief of staff, and he's there to prepare the way for his boss. Except Guéant has some business that's not on the official agenda. What is secret is that during this visit, there is a dinner, and no one, no one from the embassy, the Ministry for Foreign Affairs, President Chirac, no one knows about it. If any of this is sounding familiar, that's because it is. It's the second of the two secret meetings in Tripoli that I mentioned right at the beginning. In the heavily choreographed world of international diplomacy, this is all unusual, because the dinner guest is someone in particular.

19:28He's called Abdullah Senoussi, and he's the same man we heard about right at the start, a wanted terrorist. So now we have two off-the-books meetings with this same guy, one just before Sarkozy's visit and one soon after. Now, this man, Abdullah Sanusi, is important in Libya. He's Gaddafi's brother-in-law. But he's also someone to avoid if you're on an official government trip. Because six years earlier, in 1999, he was convicted in absentia for the murder of 170 people, the passengers of the flight that exploded above the Sahara. And he's also been linked to the Lockerbie bombing in Scotland.

20:09If it had become public knowledge at that moment that Claude Guéant, the chef de cabinet of the interior minister, had met with Abdel Sanoussi, what would have likely been the public reaction in France? If it had been discovered at the time that he'd met, behind the back of the French state, a condemned terrorist, a wanted man in France, you can imagine the scandal. I'm in Lyon it's a couple of years later 2007 and I'm there to cover a huge American style campaign rally for candidate Nicolas Sarkozy in a few weeks he'll face off against his socialist rival Ségolène Royal in the presidential election at the rally there are 15 ,000 people, thousands of French flags.

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21:03A local paper says the whole event costs 170 ,000 euros. It's the first time I've seen Sarkozy in the flesh and I'm struck by how small he is, but also by his strut. He looks just like a guy who knows it's all about to happen for him. And there was someone else there that day too. My name is Christine Lagarde and I'm currently the president of the European Central Bank based in Frankfurt. I'm talking to Lagarde in her enormous HQ in Germany. Back in 2007, when we were at the same rally in Lyon, she was a junior minister serving alongside Sarkozy in the government. Lagarde tells me that she remembers that day and what it was like being on the campaign trail with Sarkozy.

21:49He was a bundle of energy and he was everywhere. Whenever there was an issue, anything, he was on site almost instantly. I mean, it was funny because sometimes you would think, OK, he's going to be there. But he had been there five minutes before, and two hours later, he was somewhere else. What was Nicolas Sarkozy offering French voters at that stage? He's a character, you know, bigger than life. And he was leading his political life with passion and with huge energy, and giving us the sentiment that you could not waste a second. Nicolas Sarkozy came as a complete change.

22:28Sarkozy tells voters he wants to get France working again.

22:35He says he'll be the champion of la France qui se lève tôt, the France that wakes up early. He says he wants to be the president of human rights, that if he's elected, he'll refuse to be an accomplice to any dictatorship in the world. And his pitch really lands with voters. Hello, welcome to a BBC News special. I'm John Sopel in Paris. The French people have decided Nicolas Sarkozy will succeed Jacques Chirac to become France's next president. On May 6th, 2007, Sarkozy wins the election. It's the culmination of his dream. He's about to start one of the most powerful jobs in the world. But as he enters the Elysee Palace, it's also the start of problems that have pursued him to this day.

23:32Problems which could send him to jail.

23:37In the early days of his presidency, Nicolas Sarkozy is all action. He sets about reforming France. and, as he put it, helping French people to work more to earn more. But then, in 2008, global events get in the way. Financial markets across the world have plummeted in spite of efforts by the government. We were in the midst of the financial crisis. At this point, Christine Lagarde is Sarkozy's finance minister. Here, more than£93 billion was wiped off the value of shares. The global economy has gone into freefall. But Sarkozy seizes the situation by the scruff of its neck. Confidence was drifting.

24:22Banks were in the balance. He struck up a particular friendship at that moment with Gordon Brown. It's quite an unusual pairing. What do you think was behind that friendship? I think there were two human beings confronted to a phenomenal crisis with both the same intention to resolve the issues and to do it in the best interest of their people. I think people don't really remember that well, that Sarkozy and Gordon Brown had a kind of bromance for a while. President Sarkozy Monomi, you are truly a force of nature. It was a very happy couple. Lagarde believes that Sarkozy's action here is fundamental.

24:57She says he helped save the global economy from complete collapse. We had sometimes meetings at the presidential palace at 4 a.m. in the morning when there was an imminent crisis. And I've seen him in some of those circumstances completely calm, completely open to the arguments, taking a distance, considering the options, asking more questions, thinking about it and helping us in the right direction. So this is, I think it's a side of him that not so many people know about, but I've seen it several times. These are still the early days of Sarkozy's five-year presidency and the activity is fast and furious.

25:41And in the middle of it all, he even divorces his wife, Cecilia, and then in short order, he meets and marries an Italian supermodel, Carla Bruni. It's a lot.

25:58But quietly, in the background, stories begin to emerge in the French press. Stories that in the noise of the Sarkozy presidency, few people may have noticed. There's some of the earliest reports about the money that had been spent in his presidential campaign. Newspapers report that Sarkozy's 2007 campaign was the most expensive in French history. At first, nobody's saying there's anything unusual about any of this, just that lots of money was spent. But gradually, the question of the campaign finances begins to attract more attention. This is journalist Fabrice Afi. The suspicion was that there had been mountains of cash, bundles of banknotes, which were used to pay the people on the campaign without any of it being declared.

26:52Now, this is important because campaign funding is strictly controlled in France. There's a limit to how much you can spend. and in 2007 that was 21.5 million euros and Sarkozy's campaign was right on the limit. At the very end of the campaign in 2007 it emerged that large amounts of high-denomination cash were still sitting in the cupboards of Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign team and campaign headquarters. These were 200 euros and 500 euro notes. There's so much cash left over at the end of the election, so many big banknotes that the campaign managers don't know what to do with them. The treasurer and his deputy said there was so much of it that they even considered destroying it.

27:40It's not clear what they did do with this cash in the end. Sarkozy's 2007 campaign says that its finances have all been OK'd and signed off. And the treasurer says this extra cash was sent in as anonymous donations. But the judge in Sarkozy's trial says that nobody working on the campaign remembers receiving any envelopes of cash in the party mailroom. If that's true, where did all this cash come from?

28:18This is Danielle Klein again. Her brother was killed in the plane bombing. At this point in our story, it's December 2007. Nicolas Sarkozy's been president for six months, and his romance with Carla Bruni is blossoming. Danielle's on her scooter in Paris. She's on her way to work.

28:41Suddenly, there are police everywhere. Danielle sees a long convoy of cars, and the police ask her to move aside. I realise it's Colonel Gaddafi. in the streets of Paris, my city, and I'm being stopped by the police to let pass this dictator who killed my brother.

29:03Gaddafi's been invited to Paris on a three-day state visit. He pitches his Bedouin tent next door to the Elysee, and he meets Sarkozy at the palace. He crunches up the gravel courtyard, the two men shake hands, and they wave for the cameras. Meanwhile, Danielle's niece Melanie, who lost her father in the plane bombing, is watching it all.

29:49I think I didn't understand something. I thought Kadhafi was really bad. He was evil. And because my French president is shaking hands with him, maybe I didn't understand something. Like, I don't understand my own story. Why is he here? Back in Paris, Melanie's aunt, Danielle, has an idea.

30:16Our little group of families, we took out our placards with the photos of our brothers and sisters, dads and mums. Every time he went somewhere, we decided we would go with our placards. You were running around Paris following Gaddafi. And people notice, first the media and then the Elysee. The families are invited to the palace to meet the president just after Gaddafi leaves. and it's the first time that any French president has agreed to meet them. When Sarkozy arrives, he's attentive. The first thing he said to us, I remember it very well, was you're amazing people, that he understood us and that it must have been hard for us to see Gaddafi.

31:02Then he said, you are at the Élysée, make the most of it. What can I do for you? They hadn't expected to be asked anything like this and they don't really have any questions up their sleeve. Why not a visit to the crash site in the Sahara? That would be great. It's not somewhere they could get on their own steam. Hop, il nous a promis l 'avion présidentiel. He promised us the presidential plane, Danielle told me. And what about outstanding compensation for some of the families? Ça allait être réglé. Yep, no problem. That would be sorted too. None of these promises ever materialised, Danielle says.

31:42But in the moment, she was impressed. Fast forward a few years. It's 2011 and Gaddafi's world has changed dramatically since that visit to Paris. The Arab Spring has reached Libya and his government is under threat. The authoritarian presidents of Tunisia and Egypt have already been toppled. Sarkozy is one of the very first Western leaders to back the Libyan rebels against Gaddafi. Gaddafi launches a counter-offensive. I was in Libya back then and I witnessed the ferocity of Gaddafi's forces firsthand.

32:30All right, let's go. Out, out. Gaddafi's military is advancing and it's feared there could be a massacre of civilians in the city of Benghazi. Sarkozy responds. He assembles an international coalition led by France to protect the rebel-held city with airstrikes. And it's an unusual position to take because French presidents have often opposed military interventions in the region. Back in Tripoli, international journalists are covering the war from the side of the Libyan government. Gaddafi's son gives an exclusive interview to the channel Euronews. Saif al-Islam is asked his opinion of President Sarkozy and he drops a bombshell.

33:16Tristan Redman:Sarkozy must repay Libya the money he took for his election campaign. We financed his election campaign and we have all details and we're ready to publish them. This is a huge allegation and it comes out of almost nowhere. The first thing we ask of this clown, Sarkozy, is to repay this money to the Libyan people. We helped him become president so that he would help the Libyan people. But he's disappointed us. And very soon we'll publish all the details and the documents and the bank pay slips. The Elysee strongly denies it and the French press are reluctant to take it too seriously. because the Gaddafis have got plenty of reasons to sling Mardit Sarkozy.

33:57And then one day in October 2011, a NATO airstrike hits a road convoy in central Libya. A short while later, Muammar Gaddafi is found hiding, injured in a drainpipe near the wreckage of the convoy. A mob descends on him. And in the chaos, Gaddafi is murdered. It's a brutal end to his 40-year dictatorship. But in the elation that followed, there was one detail that didn't gain much attention. The plane that fired on Gaddafi's convoy and that led to the mob, that led to the dictator's murder. It was a jet of the NATO coalition and it was from the French Air Force. Back in France, Fabrice Afi receives a message.

34:49One lovely day in 2011, I received a very short email. It's from someone I don't know. And they say, I might have something about someone you're interested in. What was your reaction when you got this email? I didn't pause for two seconds. I knew we had to go, travel to a foreign country. I won't say which in order to protect my sources, but we had to go and see. Fabrice and his reporting partner, Carl Lasquet, meet their source and they get their hands on a hard drive. It's fascinating, this hard disk. It's like a sort of Alibaba's cave and there are 19 ,000 documents. Fabrice now has the digital archive of a man called Ziad Takedin.

35:33And he's an important character in this story. Takedin is a Lebanese businessman. He's not well known to the public, but he is well known as a fixer and a middleman in some circles at the top of French politics.

35:50Our stroke of luck is that Ziyad Akedin is what you'd call a pedant. When he has a meeting, he writes a preparatory note. When he's had the meeting, he writes a report about it.

36:02Tristan Redman:That's a journalist's dream. Yes, when he has handwritten notes, he scans them. There are documents in French and in Arabic. Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Libya. That's his field of activity. There's his correspondence. There are holiday photos, lots of photos, with very well-known politicians. There are details of his offshore companies. There are his bank accounts. As Fabrice digs, one name keeps coming up. He's someone we've already heard about in this story, back in 2005. Le numéro 2 du régime, le beau-frère de Kadhafi, Abdallah Senussi. And if you remember, back then, Abdullah Sanoussi, Gaddafi's number two, met with Sarkozy's number two, Claude Guayant, in Tripoli.

36:50He was the man who authorized terrorism when Libya was a terrorist state. Lockerbie, in the case of Great Britain, and what's known as the DC-10 UTA bombing, in the case of France. Fabry says that Takedin is a linchpin in all of this. Both the high-ranking French officials who met with Senussi in secret in 2005 have said that they knew Taqedine and that he was present during those meetings. All of this could be circumstantial, tangential, of course. So Fabrice keeps digging, and he gets his hands on a new document, a document which is still contested and will become hugely significant.

37:34It's a very interesting document which backed up everything we had so far. And it showed that in 2006, Gaddafi's administration had an agreement to fund, one year later, the election campaign of Nicolas Sarkozy, to the tune of 50 million euros. It looks like an official Libyan government document dated 2006 and signed by one of Gaddafi's closest advisers. If true, this document would confirm the allegations already made by Gaddafi's son in that interview with Euronews. Fabrice had to be sure it was genuine. He launched a series of extensive checks to verify it. The authenticity of this document has been disputed ever since.

38:23Sarkozy says it's a forgery, and he sued Mediapart three times in court. He lost all three cases. But then, in Sarkozy's trial, its credibility was once again called into question. Fabrice believes there's enough evidence that it's authentic. But at this point, he's left with a difficult choice. because by the time he's ready to publish, it's the most sensitive possible moment. It's the middle of the 2012 presidential campaign and Sarkozy is seeking re-election. We knew very well that revealing this in the middle of the presidential campaign, we would be criticised. The information, they thought, was too important to sit on.

39:08So Fabrice and his colleagues decide to publish. On the campaign trail, Sarkozy is asked by the French TV channel Tf1 about the Libya allegations. Is it true, he's asked, that Colonel Gaddafi financed him last time round in 2007? It's grotesque, he says. To be questioned about what Gaddafi or his son, a regime of dictators with no credibility, he says public debate has reached a new low.

39:49A few days later, Nicolas Sarkozy loses the election to François Hollande. And Media Part, he believes, is partly to blame. It's a humiliation.

40:06A suitcase like this. It opens like this. And the money is inside. This is Ziad Takedin, the alleged Lebanese middleman. And he's talking on camera. Because after Sarkozy is voted out of office, Takedin decides to tell his story to France Television. And it involves a suitcase full of cash. There is nothing in it but money. There's roughly, I think, one and a half million. Notes of 500 euros and a few 200. A few bundles of 200. What Takudin is saying here is highly contested. It's been the subject of a defamation case which he lost. Takudin himself has retracted the words in disputed circumstances.

40:55is nonetheless what he's saying here is relevant to the allegations against the sarkozy campaign his words have been read out in court by judges mr sanoussi asks me if i can be the one to transport some of this money takedin says that back in 2005 abdullah sanoussi gaddafi's number two asked him to carry three suitcases of cash back to france he asks me because he trusts me So I take it and I deliver it. Takerin says he'd pick up a suitcase in Tripoli and bring it to Paris on a scheduled flight. And then when he'd landed, he'd walk straight through customs. He'd get into a car at the airport and head for central Paris, to the interior ministry.

41:44I get out of the car with the suitcase and I go in through the main door. I know I'm expected, so I go straight in. Just opposite the entrance, there's the main staircase, and on the first floor, the office of the interior ministry. Now, I don't need to remind you who was working in the interior ministry at the time of these supposed deliveries. But I will say that Sarkozy and his entourage have denied receiving any of them. But crucially, in the political world, these allegations have an impact, because they surface just as Sarkozy's been out of office for a few years and is trying to engineer a comeback.

42:20It's 2016, and he's hoping to win a primary to run for president again. There's a big debate on the French TV channel France 2, and it's hosted by one of France's best-known news anchors, David Pujadas. Pujadas asked Sarkozy about Takedin's accusation.

42:50Sarkozy looks absolutely furious. What an indignity, he says. A few days later, Sarkozy comes in third place in the primary. There will be no comeback. But if the former president is worried about indignities, there are more of those to come. In March 2018, he's questioned by police for 25 hours and then placed under formal investigation over the Gaddafi allegations. In the French system, that's like being charged. Sarkozy is going to face a trial over his links to Muammar Gaddafi.

43:36This is Alain Manc, one of Nicolas Sarkozy's oldest friends. We're in his huge Paris office on the Avenue Georges V. It's one of the fanciest streets in the city, right next to the famous cabaret club, The Crazy Horse.

43:57Tristan Redman:I've known Nicolas Sarkozy since 1986. That's 40 years, so I know him very well. We talked almost every day and saw each other about once a week. We talked about everything. Work, jokes, women, life, everything. Manc has advised French presidents from François Mitterrand in the 80s and 90s all the way to Emmanuel Macron today. He has a nickname, the Evening Visitor, because he's a regular after-hours at the Elysee. If anyone knows how it works at the top, it's Alain Manc. What do you know about Nicolas Sarkozy's relationship with Muammar Gaddafi?

44:47Tristan Redman:M. Mank tells me that one Sunday, shortly after Sarkozy's election, he was with the president and his then-wife Cecilia. Mank says Sarkozy was in the middle of a tough negotiation with Gaddafi about a prisoner release. But Mank didn't get the feeling there was anything cosy about the exchanges between the two men. He says Gaddafi was negotiating hard. I asked Mank if he believed Sarkozy had taken money from Libya.

45:18Tristan Redman:Personally, I've never believed it. Not because I'm naive, but because if you are a politician on the French right and you believe you need illicit money for an election campaign, you don't go to Gaddafi. There were systems in place for this on the French right, to get money from Africa. Sarkozy is an intelligent man. Why would he give himself problems by negotiating with a crazy tyrant? One of the central characters in the Sarkozy-Qaddafi case is this man, Ziyad Taqedin. Did you know Ziyad Taqedin?

45:56Tristan Redman:I know there are people you shouldn't meet. Did you advise Nicolas Sarkozy to stay away from Ziyad Taqedin? I often said to him that there are people you shouldn't meet, many times. Nicolas Sarkozy's mistake was keeping people around him who weren't reputable. I think there are people around him whom he should never have associated with. Monsieur Mank, what I'm hearing you say is that Mr Sarkozy is guilty really only of surrounding himself or having acquaintances with people who have harmed him. Yes, I think so. He's bad at choosing his friends.

46:41Tristan Redman:I think Nicolas Sarkozy is a man who is too kind. He never got rid of people he should have got rid of. Before we get to the court case, let's take a time out. Because at the trial, there are some important voices who are missing. We're talking about people with salient information who can't be there. Some of them we'll never hear from again. First up, there's someone called Shukri Ghanem. He was Gaddafi's oil minister. In 2012, after the Gaddafi government fell, he was found dead in Vienna, floating in the Danube River. Austrian investigators say he died of a heart attack. There are people who question that.

47:25After he died, the police found his diaries, and inside them, Ghanem had written in detail about an alleged deal to finance Sarkozy's 2007 campaign. His body was discovered in the river the day after the media part allegations were first published. And then there's Bashir Saleh. He's one of Gaddafi's closest aides. He's still alive and he knows a lot of things. He won't be at the trial because he's a fugitive in South Africa. His means of escaping from Libya to France and then to South Africa are obscure. There have been allegations during Sarkozy's trial that the French government was somehow involved.

48:08Once he arrived in South Africa, someone tried to kill him. He survived, but he's still a fugitive. And then there's Zian Takidin, the middleman. Now, he recanted those allegations about suitcases of cash in a TV interview with the French channel BFM in 2020. Sitting on a little wall in a park, he says... Mr Sarkozy never received any campaign funding from Muammar Gaddafi. But the interview was so bizarre that the police were curious. They examined it and placed both Sarkozy and his wife, Carla Bruni, under formal investigation for witness tampering. Sarkozy and Bruni both deny it. But either way, Takedin definitely won't be coming to the trial because he's dead, of natural causes while a fugitive in Lebanon.

49:05OK, time out over. It's time for the trial. Sarkozy is in the dock, accused of criminal conspiracy, corruption and illegal campaign financing. He denies all the charges and says he's the victim of a politically motivated attack from inside the French judiciary. Daniel is also in court to give a victim statement because the alleged conspiracy involves Abdullah Sanousi, the man convicted of her brother's murder. What was it like the day that you testified in court? What happened? It's a moment we were all waiting for. We were all there. I had gone over it all well in my head. I was really keen to speak.

49:53Mr Sarkozy was only a metre and a half away from us.

50:03Danielle tells the court that her brother Jean-Pierre was fascinated with politics, how the families of the DC-10 victims had fought hard for years, and how painful it was to learn that high-ranking members of the government had met face-to-face with Abdullah Sanoussi.

50:23She calls them cowards. When Danielle finished talking, she says Sarkozy tried to respond. And the judge immediately put him in his place and said, Mr Sarkozy, sit down. It's not your turn to speak now. It's the victims of the DC-10. It's his women's turn to speak.

50:49Danielle and Melanie wait for the verdicts for the four charges against Sarkozy. The first one, corruption, not guilty. The second, illegal campaign financing, not guilty. The third, embezzlement of public funds, not guilty. And then the fourth charge, conspiracy to commit a crime. Sarkozy is found guilty. Guilty of plotting to obtain funding from a foreign state, the quid pro quo, judges say, was helping Libya gain acceptance on the world stage and turning a blind eye to Abdullah Sanusi's terrorism conviction. The judge calls it a crime of, quote, exceptional seriousness, and the sentence is five years in jail.

51:35And when she said Nicolas Sarkozy's sentence, nobody speak, but there was... Because we were so many people in the room, I heard the, very loud. I will keep this moment in me forever. There'll be no electronic tag for Sarkozy, no house arrest. He'll be the first and only president of the Fifth Republic to go to jail.

52:06Immediately after the verdict, Sarkozy speaks to reporters.

52:14If they absolutely want me to sleep in prison, I will sleep in prison. But with my head held high, I am innocent. This injustice is a scandal. He says he'll appeal. And in France, if you appeal, you're considered innocent until all the appeals are finished. But controversially, the court instructs Sarkozy to present himself to prison soon. It's a highly unusual move. In the days that follow, Sarkozy says that judges are out to destroy him.

52:56A former president on his way to prison. Nicolas Sarkozy left his home this morning and, to cries of support from a small crowd, walked with his wife Carla Bruni down to a waiting car. He arrives at the prison with pullovers, earplugs and a novel. And not just any novel, The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas. It's maybe the most famous revenge novel ever written. The novel is vast, more than a thousand pages. The hero, Edmond Dantes, escapes from his wrongful imprisonment. he becomes wildly rich and he destroys his enemies. It left you wondering if the vast novel of Nicolas Sarkozy's life might still have a few chapters left to be written.

54:05It's March 16, 2026, and I'm back in court in Paris, and I'm watching Sarkozy arrive for his appeal trial. He walks in a free man. He's been released from prison to fight the case, and everything is still to play for. Sarkozy's been pretty busy. He's written a book. It took him three weeks, a memoir about his 20 days in prison and it became a number one bestseller. He went on a book tour. He opened up to a podcaster about finding God and discovering the power of prayer. But now he's back in court and he could emerge from this retrial completely cleared or sentenced to 10 years behind bars. Nicolas Sarkozy's appeal will run until June, and the verdict will come in the autumn.

54:57In the meantime, Danielle Klein is going to court almost every day, and she says the last 35 years have been overwhelming.

55:09We were facing a monster of a political scandal. So many well-known and higher-ranking French people were involved. A little like the Epstein affair today. So many people implicated in the story that it's hard to believe. Sticking at it has become Danielle's mission. We mustn't give up. We mustn't let go. We mustn't think that we're so small in the face of all this. And in spite of everything that's happened, Nicolas Sarkozy still has supporters in the very highest places. With retrospect, does any of this change how you feel about his presidency? No. This is Christine Lagarde. I'm very proud to have served under his leadership, and I'm very proud of what we achieved at a time of a financial crisis that could have completely embroiled the entire global economy.

56:09And that's what I want to remember. When did you last speak to Nicolas Sarkozy? When he went to prison, I sent him a text message from Bulgaria, where I was, in a church called St. Nicholas. How is he? How is he? Well, you will find out. And Fabrice Afi, what does he make of the man he spent most of his career investigating? You and your reporting partners have been jousting with him now for a long time, almost 15 years. Is there any part of you that admires his tenacity? I could admire his tenacity if he weren't my former president. He's an impressive person. I could tell you about my exchange with him in court.

56:59Tristan Redman:Oh yeah, go on, please. Fabrice tells me a story. During the first trial, on a courtroom break, Sarkozy summons Fabrice over for a chat. But it's the first time Fabrice has ever actually spoken with him after 15 years of asking for an interview.

57:19Nicolas Sarkozy, who's very tactile, he put his hand on my forearm and said, but Mr Arfi, it's nothing personal against you. And then he said something to me, something I've been asking myself about ever since. But you know, Mr Arfi, when you're losing, you have to admit it. You have to be a good sport. And with that, Sarkozy was off. And I thought to myself, who was he talking to? Was he talking to me? Or was he talking to his subconscious? I still don't understand what he wanted to tell me. We asked Nicolas Sarkozy if he'd speak to us for this programme, and he declined.

58:09Thank you.

From the publisher

In this episode of the BBC Radio 4 series, Archive on 4, our very own Tristan Redman tells the story of former French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s rise and fall.

The former French President was jailed last year for conspiring to fund his 2007 election campaign with money from the late Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi. He’s currently appealing his sentence. And he has some powerful supporters.

Using archive recordings and contemporary interviews with those who know Sarkozy well, Tristan Redman tells the story of how he became the first former French head of state to end up behind bars since Nazi collaborator, Philippe Pétain.

Featuring investigative journalist, Fabrice Arfi from Mediapart; Daniele Klein whose brother was killed in the ‘French Lockerbie’ and her niece Melanie who lost her father; Alain Minc, one of Nicolas Sarkozy’s closest friends and advisers; the British writer and academic Andrew Hussey and Christine Lagarde, President of the European Central Bank, who was Sarkozy’s finance minister.

Presenter: Tristan Redman

Producer: Adele Armstrong

Sound: Peregrine Andrews

Editor: Penny Murphy

Credits: Mediapart, Euronews, France Télévisions, TF1 and France 2

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