Azpilicueta: Tuchel Doesn’t Coach Defending, Man United’s PROBLEMS & Tonali’s £100m Tottenham Move!

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1:54Why wait? Ask your doctor, visit BotoxChronicMigraine.com or call 1-800-44-BOTOX to learn more. Welcome to the good, the bad and the football, sponsored by Midnight, the betting app that's built differently. No, folks, very special guest today on the podcast. Chelsea's most decorated outfield player of all time. Wow. and a little bit of European flur on the show it's Thessa Afbalaqueta did I get it right oh you see lads

2:27Nicky:thanks for coming on mate thank you welcome the pronunciation is everything Thessa stop spitting everywhere Thessa Thessa what Thessa because a lot of Philistines in the sport world will be saying Caesar or Cesar Like you was five minutes ago. And it's not. No, I just researched a little bit of a chat. I thought, you know, I don't go Nihi Butt, do I? Papal Scoles, like that. I do it around Paul Scoles, Nihi Butt, like that. So I like to get everyone's name absolutely spot on. I had him on the Tuchel thing the other day as well. He said Tuchel. It's Tuchel. Tuchel. Tuchel. Tuchel. Yeah, you see.

3:11Nicky:He's so nice. Oh, here we go. Well, do you know, having said about names, you were actually known as Dave at Chelsea. Who gave you that name and why did that come about? It's a funny story. I was in an audience at the Stamford Bridge. Yes, a few months I arrived into Chelsea and we were Fernando Torres, Oriol, Romeo, Juan Mata and myself, the four Spanish players. So we were doing some Q &A and someone asked if they could call me Dave. My name was Sard and I even I had to to get the help from Juan Mata to you know because I didn't speak English and I didn't understand I said yes you know I'm from there just stay there of all days so did everyone call you that the players?

3:58No players no but the fans the fans that's brilliant yeah you know when you first arrived at Chelsea on a day to day basis throughout your career how many times non-Spanish players did anyone get your name absolutely perfect you go they've got it never I don't remember many one batter was the only one I don't remember many speaking of names and before we get into the football I've seen this the other day Jude Bellingham in an interview said he'd love to play James Bond now firstly iconic Did you ever watch James Bond in Spain when you were growing up? No. It never played in the cinemas over there and translated?

4:46Yeah, yeah, of course. Not your thing? Yeah, I didn't watch, no. But do you like films in general? I just need to check because a colleague at the side of your pocket. Not really, no. Oh, the perfect side of the table. Scott Scholes, he never watches TV. No? No, I do watch TV. No, I do. Football, that's all he was. No films. James Bond, though, I mean, that is, it's all coming back. It's going to be, it's on Amazon, I think. they've bought the rights to it and everyone's like a bit up in the air and they've got who's going to play James Bond next oh is there a new one coming out a new one coming out but it's not going to be the traditional I think it's the Barbara Broccoli do you think you've got a chance I have got a chance yeah once I take the glasses off it's either that or Superman but I think whoever's going to be undertaking the James Bond role a little tip I think leave a longer pause you know the iconic the name's Bond James Bond go on you go the name's Bond

5:46James Bond right that little bit of a gap little bit of tension that's where they're going wrong who's your favourite one I think you've just failed

5:55Nicky:who's your favourite one I can tell you favourite James Bond I'd say it's about the era you used to you first got introduced to James Bond but I used to like a slight little comedy angle so I'd say Roger Moore Sean Connery I mean he's the quintessential just his voice brilliant isn't it I've never watched the film but it's his voice yeah he's cool he's the best Icon don't try it James Bond yeah that's good that's good that's very good Sean Connery he come and sat he come and sat and I didn't we went to London to get an award for the team of the year no sportsman's award me and Ryan went on our own I was going to remind you in the ambassadors remember I remember the manager's mate.

6:38Nicky:Sirius. Yeah, Sid. He used to have a place in London called the Ambassadors Club. Soterious. Soterious, yeah. Sid. We sat there and he come walking, Sean Connery, and I sat down and I was like, wow, it's Sean Connery. Yeah. His voice, unbelievable. Like that, who's your most famous person, non-football, you've ever been in the company of where you've gone? It's them. Yours is Sean Connery. I mean you're not top that's that's big mine Robert De Niro unbelievable raging bull you know Robert De Niro I know you're not a fan of films you two do you know Robert De Niro you're looking at me there as though you didn't know I nearly had to remove you I think you're the big build up and then I was going to eject you from the building who's yours you might have to come back to me I'll have to think about it can't think most famous person you've met but non football related Rafa Nadal oh that's a good one yeah yeah that's a good one great player as well are you watching the middle of the line watch Netflix show what Rafa you watched it no I didn't know that it's good tell you something Netflix are doing it on everyone it's unfair you're struggling no it's subtitles you won't be able to read it is there any need for that whatsoever right before I move on who's your favourite James Bond Sean Connery oh yeah Sean Connery as well yeah I like the voice so you have seen the early James Bond films I've not watched the films but I've seen clips of him and stuff and listened to his voice yeah of course you have I can't remember watching a film no you must have watched one James Bond film you must have done at Christmas or school holidays the boring what James Bond's boring yeah fucking action packed film it's the most action gadget deep ducking lazy you've ever watched it's not very real though that's what exactly it's not very real is it well as a child do you like a bit of fantasy you know he's got a car that goes underwater schoolsy I mean what would you want that's how fucking stupid it is exactly he's not quite getting into the films thing is he that's how stupid it is watch the movie were you writing letters in after you watched Star Wars fucking speed of light travel I don't think so Millennium Falcon he's not seen Star Wars he has seen Star Wars not Star Wars shut up they were Chris weren't they Star Wars oh they're Space Raiders You've seen Star Wars?

9:06Nicky:I've never watched the full film right through, have I? Star Wars? Star Trek? Get onto the football party, he doesn't watch it. Fucking hell, he doesn't watch Captain King. He doesn't watch Star Wars, please help me out here. Just change the subject. Dave, get out. I'm going my way. Right, let's get it back onto football, shall we? Here we go. Right, no. 2-1 England. Everyone's got an opinion on it. Everyone's saying bad team performance, but we got the win, all the rest of it. Firstly, what do you three think of the performance? I think knockout stages, you've got to win the game and get on to the next one.

9:46Nicky:But sooner or later, they're going to have to start playing a bit better or they're going to be out. It's quite simple as that, really. But I think it was always going to be like that against Congo. It was going to be tough, the big, powerful, strong defence, but then they can counter-tap with pace. We didn't particularly play well at all, but the big man steps up again, and that's what you want when you're not playing well. Your star players go and score the goals and get you through. And listen, I was listening to Torxport this morning, you hear what your people talk about. I didn't like watching the game, it wasn't a great game, but they're through, and if Tuchel, what is it, Tuchel?

10:16Nicky:Tuchel. Tuchel. If Tuchel can get through into the final and win it, they won't worry about it. It'd be like the Arsenal scenario, with Arsenal in the lead, where they won it, and they're not sat on holiday now thinking, I wish I'd have won it that way. They've won it. Yeah. So his main job is to get as far as they can, but they've got to start playing a lot better, otherwise they're going to have no chance. What do you think? I thought it was bad. Yeah. I'm a bit... Thomas Tuchel, we brought this German manager, as he is, at big clubs. He's been at big clubs. Borussia Dortmund, PSG. Played brilliant, brilliant football.

10:55Nicky:Chelsea. Yeah, Chelsea. Sorry. I forgot about that bit.

11:01Nicky:but then three clubs especially PSG he played unbelievable football yeah like past teams off the pitch and I feel like Rob it feels like we've made him English a little bit do you know what I mean by that because we brought this German manager to be Thomas Tuchel not to be a bog standard not bog standard but like an English manager but does that does that not he's working with the players he's got obviously when he likes it Chelsea Yeah but he's chose these players he's chose these players that don't and they're not his type of players I don't think he doesn't, I think he wants to play the game the right way and he's left his players with the most flair out of the squad Cole Palmer, brilliant player Phil Foden, okay we've said this all the time and them two probably weren't the best of form in the last six months but you look at the team now they're not playing good football they're playing bad football and he's only picked the two best footballers he's got he's not playing yeah Cobby Mainu and Eze they can make a team play football and he's not playing he's bringing Eze on last 20 minutes Cobby Mainu yeah not made an appearance and he didn't work with Rashford from the start either really did he it's almost like trying too hard no do you know what I think he's gone down when I say about English managers he did a press conference right before the start of the tournament and he said I want us to play like a Premier League team play at Premier League pace we had that for 20, 30 years well no, 10, 15 years four tournaments I went to we had that all the time play at a Premier League pace the other teams won't be able to live with you they can the international game is a different game it's quite slow in the middle of the perching at the back but once it goes to them forward look at France for the night it all quickens up and it's fucking 100 miles an hour then that might become a Premier League game but the full game the entire game you just can't do it because that gives us the mindset I remember Sven Kevin Keegan play at Premier League you won't be able to live with you you play against Spain you play in France against Italy you're running about like fucking idiots and they're just passing the ball around you all day long I don't think we're going to get any better if England look he might surprise you he might go all the way and win it but he's not going to win it in a Thomas Tuchel way he's going to win it in an English way the way it's going now it's going to be very difficult for us to win this tournament Do you watch it today?

13:36No I was just coming here travelling I was going to say when you look at Tuchel are we setting the England team up is there anything you recognise that we set some up to when you were playing under him? You know first of all we were playing different system. Then he arrived to a team that the squad was there, so he tried, you know, he was very clear what the players we were there and just tried to put everyone in the place on, you know, how it works for football. You need to get results as quick as possible. It was end of January. But you know what, I can't, you know, for me the most important thing is to get through in this stage of the World Cup, you know.

14:15I think if when a team plays well, they have 20 chances, they don't score goals, they are out. They don't just, you know, we had experience in Qatar against Morocco. We had like 78 % of the ball. I don't know how many chances. We lost on penalties. We were just flying back home and yeah, we played amazing but we didn't, you know, you didn't get the troll. You know, sometimes I think in this kind of tournament, you just, those games where maybe you are not at your best, they were 1-0 down very early in the game. Strong physically team, they will defend deep, they will counter you, You just need to get a job down.

14:52There was a lot of...

14:53Nicky:Going back to last night, he also said another comment after the game which worried me a little bit. And says I might know a bit more about this. He said, I think we got the press wrong. Which, do you know what that means? Yeah. So he thinks he's got it wrong against them when they're out of possession. Why is he even thinking about being out of possession against Congo? Yeah. And I'm pretty sure at Chelsea, at PSG, he wasn't thinking about being out of possession. So I think coaches, a lot of coaches these days, at Eamon City at League Two level, they're obsessed with getting the press right.

15:25Nicky:And all of a sudden, you forget about what you do with the ball. You forget how good you are, what your strengths are. Yeah, but I think he's very, I think the way he approached the game is out of position. He's very obsessed when the position, when you have in the ball, the counter-pressing position, more than being just in shape and control. I think, I didn't hear his notes, but maybe the way he was speaking was about this because he's very demanding with the ball. He wants people in the right positions, control the ball, diagonal balls. And then when you lose the ball, especially when you are playing against deeper teams that you need to press quick and recover to bring the intensity up.

16:07Nicky:It was just that comment that made me think about the English coach getting the English game, that mentality. We haven't brought him to be an English coach. We brought him because what we've seen... I love him. I think he's brilliant. I love the way he comes across in the media I love what he did at PSG Brushing Dortmund and Chelsea I just don't want him turning into that English mentality where we're always a little bit worried and think about them rather than us You see Anderson how many times he jumped and went late so on the press that's what he's done about Anderson kept jumping and was late and then it opens the midfield right up I just don't I think if we're going to beat Mexico we have to be more expansive do you have to play Kobe or Eze There's no way he's not going to play Kobe man he's going to have players what's he taking him for he should be playing him at some time I don't know do you know what probably the wrong thing to do on Kobe now he's been there for three weeks four weeks whatever it is not played a game all of a sudden he's got to come in I do never know when this can happen no it can happen but it's probably not fair on Kobe if he comes in there can I ask you a question about Tuchel when he announced the England team there's a lot of people saying like Scorsese said then with Cole Palmer and Ford and Trent he's not picked them and I think Ruben Amarin when he was at United was one of the things labelled with him was quite stubborn wouldn't change his mind wouldn't when everyone can clearly see the problems he just he was set in his ways do you think two calls like that as a manager with this squad he selected some of the players weren't popular some people couldn't understand some of the players he left out is he willing to hold his hands up and say I've got that wrong or does he just have a vision and stick to it and never changes?

17:54First of all, right now he got it right because they went through. The first thing, then we will see how it finishes but I've never seen a squad that everybody is happy with the picks the manager gets. In any country in the world I think there are always people who are out and you are not happy but you I think we have to give a bit more time. He's the manager to the squad. You could argue, though, the reason we won yesterday was two great goals by Harry Kane and Jude Bellingham as well. But outside of those two, the team performance, I think that's what people are sort of saying. He's playing deck and race at right.

18:37Nicky:Paddy, he might prove us wrong and go all the way. I hope so. But if he doesn't, it's a really bizarre squad. He's picked, I think. With the right-back situation, he'll tell you more than anything, he's picked Rhys James. We love Rhys James. He's brilliant. But the lad gets injured an awful lot. Livermanto, exactly the same. Jed Spence isn't a right-back. We didn't pick a left-back. He had Lewis Hall. Luke Shaw has probably had his best season. Played Nico O 'Reilly there. Nico O 'Reilly's a central midfield player. I know he's played there for the season for Man City, but it's a little bit easier doing it for Man City when you've got the ball all the time.

19:12Nicky:Yeah. And he hasn't picked a back-up in that area. Now, when Liverpool gets injured, it's a great chance to have a Bringer left back in. Or Trent, I don't know what your feeling is on Trent. And he picked Chalabar. Chalabar, whatever you call it. Again, he's a centre-half that he's thinking about playing. It's just too many square pegs in round. You didn't think of making any sense. Sorry, as a right-back, what did you think about the decision not to take Trent? It's hard to give an opinion from outside but what I can say, I saw in Trent in Real Madrid, in Liverpool when he was in, he was very offensive, he can give us the right foot is unbelievable.

19:58I've never seen a right back with this quality but it's true that when the situation happened with a right back situation but you know there are 26 players in the squad now it's like every time it's getting more and more do you think he should have taken

20:16Nicky:Trent? if he didn't pick him at the beginning maybe he was you know he didn't believe was the right pick at that time I agree who do you see playing there now? for the foreseeable for England now it's like Declan Rice was very good when he went there I'm not sure he'll do that at the start I think that's because we had all of the ball and they're defending deep and when it's offensive and that's why I think Mexico would be the same I think Mexico would come at us I think they're high energy they run like you wouldn't believe do you think it sounds weird this like when you look at DR Congo I know they played like almost them as a country against England pretty much England were the favourites in that game so they could kind of like let loose a little bit if they lose they lose and if they win amazing do you think Mexico weirdly are under a lot of pressure, home country, home stadium.

21:09So their fans will be literally expecting them to win that game. They've not lost a game there in about 30 years. That's what I'm saying.

21:18Nicky:They lost twice in 87 games in World Cup. Yeah, but weirdly, it's a World Cup and the pressure of that. Do you think it can play a little bit on those Mexican players? Listen, England fans, we're all idiots. we sit there and think we're going to win the World Cup every single year every fan they think they're the same but you know we do we know we've not won it we've not won it in 66 so we have no divine right I agree I hope we do win it but however I don't understand why people are making us favourites against Mexico in Mexico City at altitude I don't think we're favourites you just said that no no I'm saying Mexico were the favourites no I was saying Mexico were the favourites I'm saying the pressure's on Mexico because they're the favourites.

22:06Nicky:They will come at us 100 miles an hour and they'll be thinking these can't last with the altitude and the temperature and we've got our fans here. We have to survive for the first half an hour against them. But, you know, everyone talks about the altitude and the heat and everything else, but they've been out there nigh on a month now. Have you done altitude? No, that's 7 ,000 feet above sea level. I once had a session. It's horrible. You must have done that. Yeah. yeah we did it i remember doing it in joannesburg oh yeah joannes burn it pre-season yeah ridiculous buddy you can't breathe remember i know what you mean remember in brazil oh we played in brazil and that when we got out of the effort seriously you can't breathe what we're getting at is you're saying they've been there they're only going in 40 hours before they've got no chance of climatizing they can't they're better off actually i heard the other day that if you meant to go in a few days early maybe four or five days to climb a title or go in very last minute so a bit like a game what you should do in a caribou cup game you go in the morning you sleep yeah sleep play don't don't stay that was the advice for navigating was it gave to thomas too collection you have a goal for four or five days get settled in or just fly in fly and play fly out so what was the decision they're flying i think they're going 48 hours two or two days before yeah yeah but they're saying that you're best off flying him, having the afternoon sleep like you used to have, have pre-match, play and go back.

23:31Nicky:The only way they can get through this game is going to be exactly the same, it's going to be ugly. The lads are talking about defenders though, he didn't really work on defending that much at Chelsea, what is his thoughts like, for you as a right back, what are you thinking during training? I mean I think we were Champions League winners with less goals conceded like and you know comparing to other managers we used to do like more shape and one goes cover behind kind of defending defending crosses so a lot of defending but with with Thomas we never had any training of defending like that which is my which is my point where I think I want the Thomas who's just obsessed with us having the ball no no look at him it was more It was more about all games, control, position, always details, right passes, right speed, a lot of two against one, three against two on the side.

24:31Nicky:Which is exactly what we're not seeing now. The right passes, it's ugly, people are miscontrolling it, they're passing the ball out of play, pass it to the right side of the sort, it's not there. The quality, and then counter pressing was a big part of this game. but if you don't if you don't play the best footballers you've taken the squad this is going to happen it's going to be messy do you think where you just said a few passes go around what have you do you think because it's a World Cup you're really focusing on every single part do you know what I mean like if you watch a game like midweek Premier League game or something and a couple of passes go like you're not really analysing every single because it's a World Cup and it's England and it's Tuchel like we're looking at everything do you know with the national team I don't know it's like at Spain but whenever I played at England you never really get coached you just get put into a system you do a little bit of walkthroughs and then it's just go and play it's expansive go and play football and I think Tuchel's obviously I think he's more of a club manager where you'll know better than me where he's day to day and he coaches you every single day and he trains you to play his way he doesn't have the time to do that with England unless it's always going to be ugly football unless you play your better footballers and he's not playing his better footballers so it's not going to change They say you can tell a lot about a person by the contents of their freezer.

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27:08Now it's time for Built Different where we discuss what makes a world-class player different from the rest of us mere mortals powered by our friends at midnight the betting app that's Built Different Today, lads, we're talking about Spanish World Cup winner and master of the dark arts Sergio Ramos Now, what firstly, what makes him Built Different but what's the first word that comes into your head when you think of him. Red card. Yeah, what do you think? Two words, innit? It's two words, innit? When I pull him up, I thought, we've only just started this segment. Let's not start arguing.

27:44Nicky:Mine's a sentence, not a word. A nasty piece of work. There you go. It's alright for him, wasn't it? No! It's alright for him, though, yeah? I'll say nasty. Yeah. Dirty. Dirty, yeah. Nasty, dirty. Vamos. I used to always say that. I always shouted that. One of them ones. No, it's Ramos, wasn't it? I thought it was Ramos. Vamos. no you're thinking of one of the England lads there man awake man awake vamos fuck off also as well say come on yeah yeah you're in England shirt off vamos you say you're in English shirt off so that was you going to say no I was like wrong country it was horrible though wasn't it yeah yeah you know something his career is brilliant player by the way unbelievable unbelievable career player fantastic missed the Real Madrid yeah I mean obviously went to PSG as well so he's played for not only one big club but a few he's a defender that probably he speaks to any centre forward wouldn't want to play against do you know what I mean he's one of them ones and he's always going to get into you always going to beat up to you I reckon it's one I'm at corners that gives you a little I bet he's a brilliant team mate you want him in your team mate even though we all slate him you want him in the team oh yes definitely who was a player like that who you've played with internationally or domestically where you've gone he is one dirty bastard but thank God he's on our team we never really had any in our ear no we never really had any I wasn't dirty I wasn't dirty you were one of the hardest tacklers I've ever seen in my life I wasn't ever I never went into tackle I remember I never tried and do anybody I remember one tackle Newcastle away on Darren Peacock we were only like 18-19 I heard the noise it was just what the fuck was that?

29:32Nicky:I thought there was four legs going to be broke. I've never heard anything like that. I shit myself. What was it? A slider? No, it was just a brilliant 50-50 none of them fouling each other and then just the noise. Yeah. Crack. The crack on shimper. Oh! Honestly, not a leg broken there. Do you know when you do watch football now you go like that and you go up for headers and stuff but when you're playing you don't think about it. No, you don't. It's weird. You don't get hurt. Nowadays you get touched you go, ah, I hurt. Right, okay. What we're going to do here, with Sergio Ramos in mind, we're going to play a game of...

30:05Remember, play your cards, right? Higher, lower. We're doing that, but we're dirty. Dollars do your dealings. Dirty players. In honour of Ramos being the ultimate... I can't say this, what they've put on here. Basically saying about shithousery. I want you to figure out who the dirtiest player is. I'm going to read out a list of players, and all you have to do is tell me if the number of career red cards for club and country is higher or lower than the previous player. Right. Right. Who we're starting with?

30:38Nicky:Kick us off. Probably the only show you've not hosted yet, is it? Is it making a comeback? If it is, you'll be on. Go on. Go on, carry on. To kick us off, who do you think got the most career reds for club and country out of Paul Scholes and Nicky Bolt? Nicky Bolt. well you'd be wrong I've got more red cards than I'm a chance yeah absolutely no way you're on 9 you're on 10 red cards I've got 10 red cards we need to look into that right ok then Paul scores on 10 red cards we're into it higher or lower Stephen Gerrard higher lower lower good game good game lower lower lower it's right dear it's right dear he's low with 8 cards oh Roy Keane higher and lower higher he's right 13 cards fuck I'm not 13 you're putting me off Patrick Vieira higher higher or lower higher lower higher quite a bit higher 17 red cards really that's unbelievable 17 red cards Patrick Vieira and then finally Sergio Ramos higher got to be higher on it what would you say 21 24 more higher 32 lower 28 higher 29 higher 30 31 30 red cards never got one for Spain though or club level that's weird 30 red cards insane that isn't it that's a lot that's a lot of boxing I still don't think I got 9 I want to check it out that's a lot of fines as well a lot of bans That was Built Different, powered by Midnight, the betting app that's built different.

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