Man United In CRISIS & Gary Neville’s FIRST Kiss! | The Good, The Bad & The Football

33:18I think he did. Did he break his... No.

33:21Paddy McGuinness:Right. No, he blamed his retirement on that injury, but he played about 30 times more after it, so I think it did. Oh, did he really? What Harlan did? Harlan blamed that tackle on his retirement, but after that tackle, he played about 35, 38 games. Do you know what, that's the way it was then. If someone got you, you got them back, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not sure that happens now, but I still remember people, now that I've still got to get back. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? But you're never going to be able to do it. It's funny, you know, but I love it when the memes do the round and they were going, talk about that challenge, it's a pity he didn't do it in his bollocks.

33:55Yeah. After yesterday. It had stopped. It had stopped the big man

34:00Paddy McGuinness:absolutely terrorising United, the premier league. Flippin' heck. You got sent off, didn't you, in Derby? Yeah. Tabaletto was a bad tackle. Yeah, bad tackle, yeah. Yeah, but you expect that in a Derby game. You don't expect that in any game, I would, anyway. Yeah. I would never get up and start whinging at someone for kicking me because you're expecting. I loved it. I enjoyed it, didn't you? Yeah, it's like a pat on your back. Come on, fucking brilliant. It does get you into it, no matter what level you play, you're like, oh, we're in here now. And it's a sign of respect. It's a sign of respect.

34:32Paddy McGuinness:I'm telling you, if you're playing against someone, they're getting into it, you know that they're worried about you. Yeah. So it's a sign of respect. And people in the best squads over the years, all different clubs will say, probably the hardest games they'd have, unless you're playing against your title rivals, is in training. You're playing against the likes of Scolzi, Keeney, all these great players, Giggsie, Bex, Yap, all these unbelievable world-class players. And you go into a game, it's easier. But then obviously you go against your rivals and it was tough games. But I think if you're getting hit all the time, and sometimes it pisses you off a little bit when someone's just rattling your legs all the time.

35:05Paddy McGuinness:But it is a sign of respect, I'm telling you. I loved it, man. I did. It got me going. It livened you up a little bit. So, all right, go on, is it going to be like that? even Sunday League when you're having a shower after it lads and you go oh look at that you know stud marks down there you can't it sort of gives you a little bit of an adrenaline rush doesn't it down the boozer after you're like I love all that showing them your stud marks yeah yeah absolutely there's one where did Gaz give you a kiss on the lips in one of them games you know he did that was Nev's first kiss that that was his first kiss he was 28 tickling me with his little trash he was oh god I don't expect it You kissed him back What do you want me to do?

35:49I don't want you snogging him I've got to say though It's a funny one isn't it with kissing blokes at football Because it's almost like Weirdly The most macho thing you can ever do Because I've kissed a few lads And I've been kissed by a few lads There you go There's the Mail Online's headline But weirdly In the context of a fully aggressive game, it kind of felt like the thing to do. I remember over the week, I played in a PGA golf tournament, which I won. No, I don't like to talk about it. I've got to have not brought the trophy from here. I'll bring it on the next one. But I was playing with tubes, and we were all buzzing after, and me and him kissed each other on the lips, and it was only like, about a couple of minutes, I thought, I've just kissed him on the lips.

36:34But it felt like the most natural thing to do. No, the lips is weird. I know. I'm not really a kisser. No, I'm not. No, you meet people. Not even on the cheek. And during a game, after a game, well played. Do you know what? Maybe on the cheek every now and again, but... Is that your missus? I haven't got one. Join the club. But on the lips is weird. Yeah. So when he came towards you, were you thinking, hang on, he's going for the lips here? Yeah, I had no idea what he was going to do. But do you know what? I'm going to say I love it. No, I love seeing the picture of it because of what happened before it.

37:10Do you know what I mean? Gary's emotional Gary's passionate he's just the way he is who was it was it Barthez who used to kiss Barthez on the head Laurent Blanc Blanc that was it yeah was it before every game that was because he won the World Cup

37:22Paddy McGuinness:remember he did it all the way through the World Cup he'd become like a superstition thing I'm all for it I don't mind it now and again it's testosterone I'm going down a cul-de-sac move on yeah move on talk to me about Zubamendi's volley Scolesque or burlesque Burlesque That's a bit different I was kissing boys now he's burlesque what's going on here Kissing boys Men Kissing men Yeah It was a man Yeah In prison Brilliant wasn't it and he's not really known for scoring goals really and especially he scored twice actually he scored a header as well it was something he probably needed to add to his game I saw him at Real Sociedad had last year against United top good player just keeps things ticking over the modern day my field player doesn't really go over the half way line but controls play and then adding that to his game it was brilliant some goal two things as a fan goals I like seeing I like seeing a crisp volley and an absolute bullet header those are two to see two of them go in I love that a bit like a bullet header but like Forden's one you say sorry Sorry to remind you of it again.

38:42But just neck, wallop. Loved that. Stiff neck, wasn't it? Yeah. Bang, you were a good header at the ball, weren't you? I scored a few headers, yeah. You had a leap on you, didn't you?

38:50Paddy McGuinness:I scored a good goal in Wembley against Newcastle, actually. Yeah, Chariot Shield. Yeah. Diving header. But scores with a volley, man. Yeah. Turn that way, you talk about volleys. I didn't score that many volleys. Turn that way. Have you ever played in a game where someone scored at an absolute world of a volley, not on your opponent, and you've gone, Oh, my God. Rivaldo. Rivaldo. Old red kick at Barcelona. Chested it up. Yeah, shit, yeah. Old red kick, right, and it's like, yeah, he's a real player. Yeah. I can't remember that. Can't remember too many follies, no. He were close to signing for Bolton, him at one stage.

39:23Yeah, back end of his career. Yeah. He was, this is like, I don't know if it's an exclusive, but a mate of mine was a football agent, and the rumours were going round, and he sent me a picture of him at the hotel. De Vere's at Bolton so that's how close he was and it just for whatever reason it never happened it wouldn't surprise you with Sam Norton yeah as you say a jockey a coach a coach yeah I know I know I'll tell you about that one at Bradford everyone was saying it was an amazing goal that day and I thought I've got a chance of winning goal of the season it was only February or March I've got a chance the day after Paolo Di Canio scored that scissor kick volley oh remember that one it couldn't ride over the very day after and fucking won it Yeah, I forgot all about that one.

40:10Yeah, I took it back, that was a better one. Fuck you, that didn't last long. Is it a play, is that something you think about? It's funny you should say that. Do you go goal and see, do you think them things?

40:19Paddy McGuinness:No, I mean, I was younger in the youth team. I used to be quite a marauder in midfield to score goals. I mean, he was a forward playing a number 10 or a number 9. I used to bet every year he scored the most goals. Really? Every year, didn't we? I pissed it every year. Pissed it every year, yeah. I know we're going to put a link up But he scored Well almost scored The best overhead kit we've ever seen It's a thing of legend Legend of what didn't go in Didn't score But it was fucking brilliant Saved it though In my eyes that's as good as a goal There's two big volleys I remember Van Persie's when we won the league against Aston Villa Rooney's pass And the other one was Rooney's against Newcastle I played against him I was playing Did you play him?

41:06Paddy McGuinness:Yeah, was you? I think I let him run off me Yeah It's some weighing up in like 30 seconds of football because the camera's on him he's going mad at the referee moaning and all of a sudden the ball comes up and he turns and he's like oh what a ball he's smashed it was it past Shea Gibbon? Well Shea yeah but I will now because you forget about goals I'm rubbish at remembering goals and stuff but I'd have to say Vampirza because of the way it come over his head from Rooney's pass Oh it's better than mine now? Yeah only because if you ever when you play football you know a ball coming over your head there and you try to connect with it Keeper was dodging it wasn't it yeah it didn't go in the corner it's just because you didn't win goal this season don't be having a go at me I wanted to win goal at a moment from goal of the season where did Van Persie I'm sure one I don't know if it was an international game or when he were at United did one not come over his head like that and he went foot header yeah it was about 20 oh he was not diving header wasn't it yeah Holland and the World Cup I think.

42:04Paddy McGuinness:It's amazing. Van Basten, yeah. You forget about Van Basten. Van Basten. It was just legendary. That kit. 1998. The kit he had on as well. It was cool. It was like proper football. What a goal. Yeah. Zidane must have scored a few. Left foot goal. Yeah. Hamden Park. Hamden Park. Leverkusen. Didn't do him in crap games, did he? No. Was that like a bit of a scissor kick? Left foot. Left foot, wasn't it? on the side way. Just when you were saying about European football then and what have you. Just talking about European games from back in the day. Obviously, Newcastle are going to be playing Barcelona soon, but the game, 1997, as Spriller-Attrick.

42:45I mean, that for me, again, as a neutral, I loved him as a player. I like players that were a bit naughty. And what I mean by that is you've got a bit of personality. You just go, what are you going to get with them today? I remember seeing him when he first sat I'm sure he like did he rock up with that massive big chinchilla for a couple of those I was like I like this guy I like this guy if you score an act trick against Barcelona for me that's like right retiring done I think

43:22Paddy McGuinness:I was at Newcastle for six years five years and literally that night against Barcelona it'll be unbelievable the atmosphere there will be electric it'll be a proper game to go and watch it's a great place to play football if it's going well and the night that they scored the at-trick that would have been electric and like you say if you do well up there they idolise you they just absolutely adore you up there it is worth going just for what you've experienced it proper but it's worth going it's a one city club so it's nice Champions League nights against the best against the Barcelona that would be brilliant I remember playing in the Nou Camp I was only 18 and we got beat 5-1 I think 4-1 Romario Stoichkov Oh I've never been happier to be a subbing Ronald Koeman Guardiola played Did he?

44:13Paddy McGuinness:Yeah we got absolutely battered and one of my I know Scorsese one of Scorsese heroes because he was an olden fan one of my favourite players was Dennis Irwin because of his character the way he is just under-assuming unbelievable footballer always 8 out of 10 every single game yeah he got done off stoichkoff and i was like i was gobsmacked he was like he gives stoichkoff 10 yards starts giving him 10 yards quick and dennis was quick and stoichkoff caught him got the ball and pinged it across the right of picture romario's feet yeah and he was he was he was i was and when you go to the new camp you walk down and there's a church right at the bottom of the stairs before you go back up in the chapel chapel the chapel wow so basically before you go out and you get absolutely murdered you say a few prayers hope for the best just stay in the chapel I remember I was 18 and when you're younger you're confident you're younger you think I'm ready I'm ready I was not I should have I should have been put down after that game yeah it was like a bit of a light bulb yeah you're way off we were very young you must have been 18 starting that game but I only started because of the five foreign rule remember the five foreign rule after a game like that though where you're saying you go that's the sort of point where you go right benchmark these levels are you what did Sir Alex say to you after a game does he just let that one settle and go Luke we got hammered or does he come in and start digging you out a bit he went mad at Incy he went mad at Incy did he yeah because Incy was always having to go back and it was always they were always like love hate bang bang bang and I remember sitting there and again we was only we was only kids we were just a year and a half out of school and to see the two big personalities going to each other like that and I mean going to each other do you remember what happened that night it was the night before I've got a lot of training that something happened.

45:54I remember once he walked out to the stadium looked round the stadium and I went this is me this is a bit of me. Oh. And the manager brought the hope after the game.

46:04Paddy McGuinness:Was that the training session when Sir Bobby got knocked out? No I don't think so. Was that not the one? I think that was later yeah. Jesus Christ this is some training session. No Sir Bobby used to come and train with us at the European Games. No way. He used to train at 60 years of age. No. So one night there's a picture of us playing at the new camp stadium training the night before in a box Sir Bobby Charlton's there and Mick Utnell Mick Utnell we had some beauties training with us Mick Utnell training with us Sir Bobby how's that happening in any professional game I don't think that was at the same time I think that was like one year there's a picture of it if you google it there's a picture of Mick Utnell Sir Bobby and I think it's me and I think you remember we used to have our own younger box and he was in with us Mick Utnell used to bring like Miss World on the bus with him as well yeah Mick Utnell what a time to play football but surely Gaffer would be going well you can't join in training in case you crock someone the Gaffer's mate the Gaffer's the one that brought them in he wasn't a great footballer Mick Wocknell was he no Sir Bobby could have played with that Sir Bobby was brilliant he's a join in training Sir Bobby I'm not joking 60 years of it he was phenomenal wasn't he obviously he couldn't run around a bit like Man United now can't run around I think someone had a shot though and smacked him on the head didn't he Brian McClare Brian McClare Brian McClare probably did it on purpose he hit a volley Brian McClare from about 10 yards straight into Sir Bobby's face and he's got boxed down and he must be thinking well the biggest legend of Man United survived the Munich Air disaster and then Brian McIntyre killed him in the volley you think how good that was though Paddy for young players like us oh Sir Bobby I think the people we had around the club Brian Robson Nobby Stiles Brian Kidd amazing that's why I said the club isn't as we know it now it almost with players like you're almost you've almost won a game before you've you know because when you see them players like that you're kind of going oh I'm a part of this but I've got to say and I'm lucky enough to know a lot of ex-pros and current pros and spoke to them about all kinds of stuff and I'm always getting into someone tell me about this tell me about that never heard anyone say they played in a training session with Mick Ucknell or any non-player well better than that he had his missus with the night before Miss World she was sat at the table So my claim to fame is I've had dinner with Miss World.

48:22Paddy McGuinness:Oh, what a treat. It was very good. And to be fair, you can understand why he's with Miss World, because he's a real handsome chap. He looked really good in his United kit as well. Legs look magnificent. Has that ever happened before? Have you ever heard of any other team having a pop star or actor, anyone joining a training session before a European game? You think about it now, the press have gone mad. wouldn't he? He'd gone mental wouldn't he? He'd been absolutely crucified. Are you taking this serious? You've got fucking Simply Red training with, do you know what I mean? I think he did the box didn't he, to be fair.

48:55Paddy McGuinness:He did the box and then jumped out the little possession box. I just remember training, I remember Donkeys years ago, a mate of mine he was at Bolton on the coach and I said, come down and have a session with lads and I remember going, oh no, no. Because I thought to myself, firstly I thought I'd be absolutely embarrassed here by him. But secondly I just thought, if I go in on anyone and crock him, it's my name, and he's like, him, he's ruined it. They wouldn't be allowed now because insurance would say... Yeah, you wouldn't be allowed. Even the coaches now can't join in because of the fact that if you're not insured and you do some money, the amount of money in their contracts are not insured, so who's going to get the liability for that?

49:37Got a Sam's Cafe pizza order up. You know the best part about this spicy Italian sausage? I voted for this topping. Yeah, just another perk of being a member. Come join us. Sam's Club. When you were talking about, like you said, the coaches joined in, Popstars, Sir Bobby Charlton, which is just mind-blowing for me. When you look at the modern player, right, and all those things back in the day, and I get the game moves on and, you know, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Do you think the modern footballer should be as involved with things like social media as they are. I see that as a mistake.

50:22Paddy McGuinness:I think if you do that, fair play to them, because financially your career is short, and I know they make millions, I'm not saying that, but if you do it and you're making money out of it, and the flip side is you can't expect any privacy when you're going out and stuff. So you can't be both ways. I think if you're going down that line, you take all that comes with it, or you do what probably scholars would have been a bit quiet and reserved, not many interviews, not social media, and doesn't want to be infected about his private life. So I think it swings him round about it. I don't blame him for doing it, if he do it, because as you know, it's very rewarding if he gets to a certain amount of followers.

50:53Paddy McGuinness:But you can't then say, oh, I'm getting forward here, I'm getting told to do that, I'm going to press it outside my house. Because if you bring it in, you've got to take it off. It's not even just that for me. I think like, you know, regardless, we know what it's like, you know, when you're working in a job where you're public facing, if you like, that comes with a job, negativity online. Everyone's kind of used to that a little bit. But I just think if I'm a player, like, interestingly, when they interviewed Phil Forden after the game and he were talking about stuff he'd seen, and, you know, he said, I've seen the negatives.

51:27And I'm kind of thinking, I'd want to just not read anything. I'd want the blinkers on. Yeah, I was just going to say that. Because I think it can affect you, you know, regardless of what you're doing for them. If someone says, you're shit, or that's not good enough, and you're reading that, and then you're going out there.

51:42Paddy McGuinness:We went to the World Cup in 2002, and I remember, we never knew what was going on at home. we never knew it there was no papers anywhere obviously back then it worked social media so even if you're getting slagged off and it oh the flip side if you're doing great and you're getting pat on your back you don't get too carried away with yourself yeah i think there's like i say it's a better way but it's never gonna happen we were always so in the manager don't read the papers it was the papers when he was younger yeah yeah but now now i don't know how you cope with it now i don't know how you'd i don't know how cold being a player with all your screw to like you said, I'd have to stay away from it, but it'd be so hard to stay away from people just saying you're shit and stuff like that.

52:20How do you deal with stuff like that? How can you not come back at them? And also when you lot played back in the day, you'd expect to hear that from the crowd. The crowd, yeah. And it's part of the game, isn't it really? But you leave then and that's it. It's in the moment. You're not still reading about it. I should imagine a lot of young players, It's like, say, any young person these days, it's part of their life now, social media. There's no two ways about it. And you're not telling me a lot of these players aren't sat on the phone at night. And, you know, it's seducing to kind of, when they're saying good things about you, when you start seeing the bad things, it's going to affect you.

52:59Of course, even look back to what we were doing on Thursday and then it goes on social media. You can't help but just have a little look at it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, not them two. Oh, nice one. Really? We've not even done anything yet. which is the one that our picture took. Them two boring bastards again. I've not read Manor Dance. No, that's what I mean. What does he know? You're sorry you actually clicked the button to read it. Yeah, yeah. And that's what it must be like for a footballer. Even you look at it when you do well, and I think, nah, just leave it for both. But we weren't brought up like that,

53:30Paddy McGuinness:so we wouldn't know. These younger players are brought up with it, so they're experiencing it. I would imagine they know how to use it, how not to use it. It's probably as well, I think, the clubs weirdly probably encourage it now because it's because it's a you know football it's the beautiful game but it's a massive global money making game and I think if you're a club and you've got a star player who's got well look at Ronaldo you know what I mean hundred and odd million probably more than that the revenue that's going to bring you into the club so weirdly these days I think football clubs it's a 50-50 because you want to protect the player but you want to well if an Arsenal player for example leaves Arsenal and they've got 30 million followers and they go to Man United straight away there's 30 million people following them and Man United fans more now so you're right it's a different world and it's something I don't understand if I'm honest with you I don't understand it I'm on a little bit of it I got on it just for a joke with my daughter and I said when I wake up in the morning I think I can have more followers than you so that's all I did it for so it's a bit of fun with them but yeah I think it's just if you're going to get in that world, you've got to be able to set the rough and smooth, I think.

54:41Yeah, and I think like you just saying about you read stuff about what you're going to do, but we're lucky in a sense that all three of us, from our walks of life and whatever we did job-wise and the creativity, we came through it when that wasn't a thing, and we've sort of seen it develop and grown into it. And again, when you're older, no one likes seeing anything bad about them, but you can kind of go, no bad. Yeah. You move on. if you're 20 year old you're playing top level Premier League football or whatever league you're playing in and you're reading about someone going you're a wanker or you're shit or whatever if I were 20 I'd have crumbled on the other side of that I don't know about Nick but I quite liked it when people did have a go at me when they did slug me off it gave you a bit of motivation I think you're playing you mean

55:30Paddy McGuinness:yeah but I think the deeper thing is you know when you're 18, 19, 20 you're acne, you've got spots, you've got a girlfriend that's in the paper. There's a lot of personal things out there. But personal stuff's different, of course it is. But I'm talking about when it was football. That's fine, yeah. I'll show you. The way you were brought up, it's like sink or swim, fight or flight, go and show them what you've got. And that's pretty much what we all were like, really. Something I wanted to ask, and a slight bit of a tangent, but it's something that I think about a lot, right? As a fan of football, never played the game at the highest level, when I look at players who have, say, a club, and they've come through the ranks, the star player, and then the big, big teams come in from, like, for instance, Grealish, Villa to City, how does a player, literally more or less overnight, lose that kind of pizzazz and that sort of that flair and that ability because you see it with you know they'll join a club and they just almost crumble is it you know if you look at Grealish at City with Pep who's arguably world's greatest manager that's ever been when it comes to football how does that happen?

56:53It's hard to explain I suppose I suppose look is it Aston Villa is the big fish innit yeah all of a sudden he's going to a City winning the Premier League and they've got 20 players probably as good as him. Now all of a sudden he's not standing out so he still might be performing okay but he's not at that level above his teammates do you know what I mean? He's still part of a team but Aston Villa he was by far the best player. He was brilliant.

57:20Paddy McGuinness:I think Aston Villa as well I'd imagine about seeing any of the stats and anything he'd probably get the ball eight minutes of time. So if you average ten dribbles and four, five get taken off you, the five or six that he's done well will be on match at day. Your confidence goes up. Whereas if he's getting it three or four times at City and he's losing it twice, you're losing it 50 % of the time. I just think that's a big thing. And some people do like being the big fish. They do like it. I didn't, he didn't, you don't want to be that. It's a bit more reserved. But literally, some people thrive on being the big fish.

57:52Paddy McGuinness:Mike Scrooge is quite right what he's saying. He went there and didn't get him off the ball. He didn't get the ball. if I'm pretty sure the manager would have said at Villa get the ball give it Jack get in the box that's probably what would have happened which is what Moise has done I was just going to say that's what it feels like it's happened to him now and all of a sudden bang I'm the main man again player of the month he's been brilliant it's hard to us to explain that because we never did that we never really had a big move to a bigger club we were already at the best club so it's difficult to probably explain that one thing I will say with a price tag Jack had and I was not the big fish.

58:29Paddy McGuinness:I wasn't ever that. But when I went to Newcastle, I felt I had to do more than what I did at United. So at United, I was a box-to-box footballer, get the ball, give it to better players. I was defensive, spoiler alert if you like. I went to Newcastle and I thought, right, well, I need to show these how good I am. I'm going to start doing things that I'm not capable of. So I started trying to do 50, 60 yards passes, giving the ball away. And I got to a point where I was getting booed off the fans. I weren't having a good relationship with the fans. and I remember my dad who was like my hero growing up he looked up at me everywhere playing football Terry the Fish yeah he basically just said to me listen just stick two fingers up to them and show them what you can do in your own game and I think that might have happened with Jack I don't know you have to ask him obviously but I think Jack's going there a hundred and a million he's going to have to go that's a big price on your shoulders you're then going to go I need to go and show how good I am and maybe do things that you weren't doing and I think you lose a bit of confidence you get a little bit of injury niggles here and there you just drop right down the pecking order can I also explain yeah we used to know Nicky's obviously because your parents used to go to the game and he was called Terry obviously we was out one night weren't we and I got a taxi on I said have you been out I said I've just brought up Nicky and the lad said how's Terry the fish why the fuck is Terry the fish he said Nicky's dad Terry bought Terry the fish he works at the fish market Terry the fish but that's what he's like then wasn't it everyone had a nickname didn't they yeah Nick the Sig Nick the Sig Billy, they all will not talk about how he got there but it's it's funny you say about Nicky's dad there and what have you another thing like I see in the modern game is whenever there's a big transfer on now it seems to be a lot more family members mums, dads cousins yeah it's brothers yeah look at Garnaccio and it kind of yeah yeah and it feels as though as an outsider it's not it's not the way to do things but money I think there will be a few of them that are good at the job and keep it in the family and I get that why am I giving all the money to this sort of person I don't know I'll give it my family I get that but if they're not capable of doing it then it's the wrong thing or if they go in he'll sign it but I want a yacht yeah that's what they do it's what parents do of kids who are trying to go to big clubs it's ridiculous yeah Get me a house.

1:00:55Get me a job in a club. It's stupid just to sign the sun. And when you talk about pressure as well, if you're signing because a family member's advised you to do it because they're benefiting, you might be going to a club that doesn't suit you. Exactly, yeah, but they don't care about that. Especially younger players.

1:01:13Paddy McGuinness:It's tough, honestly. I'm sure social media will be slagging me off for saying this, but football's the best job in the world. It is that you get paid very good money, you get idolised and you're playing football like you do for free and you can keep him fit every day of the week it's the best job in the world but there's things that come along with that that's not nice so the crap you get when you were your kids you can't go out at certain times you don't have a Christmas and I wouldn't change my life I'm not saying it's wrong but as a young player if you're 16, 15, 16, 17 whether it's right or wrong you start taking the weight of your whole family on your shoulders not because they're asking my family never asked me for anything my mum, my dad never asked me for anything but you feel like you want to provide.

1:01:53Paddy McGuinness:So if you're a young player and you've got all the weight on your shoulders as well as trying to be a footballer, as well as getting all the stick, it can just knock... I was lucky I had a great family behind me but it can knock some people off the pedestal. You can see that happening with a lot of young players. Our families, probably when we grew up, we just stayed in the background. Now, families are desperate for their kids to be a footballer. I think just purely for their lifestyle. I mean, there should be a rule with the FA as well, going off tangent a little bit here because obviously when I was an academy manager as well, I'd seen it all at United.

1:02:26Paddy McGuinness:The FA should make a rule that if a young player signs for a club and they're under 16, no one can put it on social media. Because when I was at school, my identity wasn't Nicky Butt. It was a footballer. Paul Scores' identity as a young boy at three point was a footballer. Not a 16, 15, I mean. But literally, your identity is that. So if you all of a sudden get released at 15 or 16, you're embarrassed. your friends are laughing at you everyone wants to knock you down and I just think going off telling you again a little bit is that when they're that age and the young players they shouldn't be putting it all over this or their parents but like Scully said they can see the bigger picture if this boy my son does well here all our lives are set and also as well if you're a manager or whatever and someone's being a bit heavier like that I'd be going we don't want him because I can see there's going to be problems in the future because of this behaviour definitely put people off definitely It is crazy that.

1:03:24It's because your family are there for you, but once money starts creeping in, not everyone, because obviously, like Nicky said, and you, Paul, you've got a good family behind you, and that's the rock, that's everything. But if you get a few little, actually, they'll get us an house if we do this,

1:03:44Paddy McGuinness:and a car or whatever. But their mindset also is, I'm not taking it off my brother or my son or me. I'm taking it off the club. Well, you're not. Yeah, exactly. You're not because the club will have a pot. And however that pot gets divvied up, the club won't care how long they get the player. Yeah. So basically that pot isn't changing. So if that pot's£10 and they're giving£3 of that to the agent, brother, whoever it might be, that's still coming out of the player's money because that's it. The other thing as well, when family are involved, say your brother or he's your agent or your mum's involved, seeing one kid, I'm pretty sure his mum's involved doing his deal.

1:04:19They then know what money you're earning. So they're thinking, I should get a bit of that. You should be looking after me. When I was growing up, even from 16 years of age, being an apprentice on£28.50 a week, £40 for your mum's cheque that we got, that was probably the only time my mum and dad knew what I was on. Me too. They never knew. They didn't have a clue what eight wages I was earning. They didn't care about it. now they're almost entitled to a bit of his wages.

1:04:47Paddy McGuinness:A lot of them now, up to the age of 18, 19, 20, they don't have access to the money. They get spending money. Wow. Which is a good thing if it's been invested in the right way, but it's a controlling thing as well. I don't mind that, because if someone gave me 50 grand a week when I was 19, 20, I'd have spunked it right off the wall. Had my career ever lasted about a year tops, I'd have been on scrap. It would have been a good year. Yeah, it would have been the best year ever. A couple of things just to finish off a bit more light-hearted. Firstly, I've got to say, I'm not feeling the new player videos.

1:05:26You know now, if a player signs for a club, it's like a fucking pop video. And I'm like, what is going on? Yeah, they've gone a bit stupid. I didn't mind Eze walking out at the Emirates, and that were lovely. But all the... It's a bit... No, it's getting a bit much.

1:05:41Paddy McGuinness:Yeah, it's a bit too much. I remember when Pogba signed at United, remember when he'd come back? Yeah. Pogba'd come back, they set a studio up in the big gym and took over the whole gym for three days. No one could go and use a gym. None of the academy players could go and use a gym because it was a set for him to come back. Yeah. And you're going, wow, yeah, it's just a total different world. Again, that's social media though, isn't it? Yeah. Videos for Instagram, Twitter. Imagine how much money Adidas and Man Utd made out of it. I get why it happens. It's just, it used to be back in the day, I always think of Shearer at Newcastle, scarf loads of people out forter lovely stuff suit you think of the suit I remember Rio and his white suit oh yeah let's get really down to the nitty gritty though talk us about your win you a day Paddy oh the BMW PGA biggest pro-am in the country that one oh yeah I don't really want to talk about it but you know if you're asking we've asked never done a pro-am in my life now you two I will talk to you about your handicap so firstly I wouldn't go out with you two far too good a player so I'm 14 and they asked me to play in it and I said to them I said look I'm 14 I think that's about the cut off in a pro hand any more they're on the iron I don't think it matters that much you know please so anyhow I get there and I'm playing with Tubes who used to do soccer AM they do golf life now and his brother Ange and our pro's Marco Penge brilliant what a player now honestly firstly, shitting bangers on first tee.

1:07:15Topped it. Topped it.

1:07:16Paddy McGuinness:Was the line right down there? It was the seventh at Wentworth and it's kind of like over a load of scrubland. It's not as straightforward. It's like over a bit of scrubland. It's a slight dogleg ride. It's a horrendous haul to start on. Everyone's out. I'd gone down to the driving range before. Started at my 52 all the way up to my driver. Creaming it, I bet you were. Beautiful. I couldn't wait to get to the tee. I was like, get me. And I'm looking around, he's all pro. I'm like, yeah, you're seeing this. First tee, topped it. Then second shot, shanked it. It took me about three or four holes to start playing how I'd kind of normally play.

1:07:58And chews were the same. Luckily, Ange were just in the zone. We just couldn't get into it. And then once we settled and realised, hang on a minute, he hits it that far Penj like 300 and odd yards ridiculous that if you just play a normal how you'd normally play you've always got a shot on yeah so once we settled we were like up there all the time you can use his tee shot all the time you can use his tee shot so that's that was another thing that took the pressure off yeah because you're trying to hit the world's best tee shot yeah and it's just it's just not happening um but weirdly I never knew this during that pro-am you can get your pro to take one shot right whenever it like is a joker yeah and um and we will kept trying to use him in marco's going on save it lads this isn't all coming up in a bit i forget which one it is at wentworth but it's um the 18th yeah it's par five eight second shot over the water greens up there yeah so we're saving for that so we're all up there we've got a shot on but it's a it's a hard you You know, it's like, whatever, we're 180 yards off a summit.

1:09:05Luke's further. We're like, right, Marco? Here we go. And in our clubs, put everyone in the fucking water. Literally. Tell you what, the freebies. Brilliant. Clothing. Sunglasses, shoes, everything. It was like doing a trolley dash at fucking Selfridges. I was... To Lindenburg. Lindenburg, I went down there. And it's good gear as well. If you're watching. And G4, lovely shoes. But I was like, in the end, because I had my caddy with me, he used me coach at our club, and I'm loading him up as well. And in the end, we go, we're going to have to stop. We fucking know what, put anything. Because you can't, they tell you not to bring anything with you.

1:09:51So I'd know next year, I'll be bringing one of my fucking old arms. Take a van with you. Take a van. There's two things, I think, in the sporting world. which people crumble with, regardless of where you're playing. One's a tee shot. Even if you're at your old club and there's a couple of people still watching you. And the other one's penalties, where you just go, oh, God. Let's not talk about penalties. But it is. Those are the two things. I think if you have a go at darts or tennis, you can sort of... I can't think of anything in those sports where you go, that's the moment. Because there's nothing in dark light.

1:10:33Obviously, you've got to finish on your doubles and trebles and bullseye and all that. But it doesn't feel like there's a moment in something like tennis. Golf intimidates you. Do you know when you see the players? Go back to the Icon series. It's a par five to finish at about 120 yards. There's loads of people around the back of the green. It's only a picture, I just remember. And there's only two people I can see out of 500 people. It's Sergio Garcia and Lee Westwood. there's the two fucking in amongst everyone but there's two people who say fucking I don't know if I top it what if it's left what if I fat it yeah it's just it's so intimidating with that in mind I want you to put these in order of difficulty right 1-4-7 snooker 9-darter finish all in one only one you can get lucky with all in one most impressive

1:11:23Paddy McGuinness:yeah all in one most impressive got to be 1-4-7 because you're having yeah was it how many balls is it 12 reds is it 12 reds and you've got 12 colours that's 24 and you've got the colour again you're looking at like 30 32 33 shots yeah and you've got to get back to the black to position every single time I've got to say you know you should be on fucking countdown literally I was like this is impressive a couple of balls out there I think literally I just think that's like a lot of shots I think nine darts obviously nine yeah all in one a bit of luck yeah all in one anyone can more or less do you've got a chance at it and you can hit one all along the floor and yeah yeah I couldn't split the litter really yeah I'm with Nicky I think one four sevens most difficult then I go the nine data same and then I go the only thing so yeah same no I can't because the both the skill level of that is incredible for both of them don't you think absolutely but when you've been in the pub over the years playing darts right and I'm not listen have you ever had a 9 darts I've never had a 9 darts but I've never once I've never been to a snooker club I've never been to a snooker club and had a 20 break you know what I mean where I've got treble 20s in pubs yeah a few times have you ever got a 180 though I have no I've had a 140 a few times yeah he's played a lot at Newcastle with the lads at all the time but you've never got anywhere near a 147 and again if it was just potting all the balls I'd probably them go and nine dart but the fact he's got to get back to the black spot or position on the black every single time that's why I would go the one thing I would say about about darts which again watching it on the telly over the years and I've seen it live at the I still call it the Reebok with Phil Taylor what surprised me I was at one once and they were setting it up and they went go on you can have a little go like the hockey the pros player Jesus Christ you need a javelin I was literally I was like that with a dart and it was dropping under the three it's higher than you think is it it's so far away so actually that does put it up the difficult but I've got to say yeah the 147 you see I think you see nine darters more than 147s as well yeah you do yeah that's a good point and to it's fair the talent of it so Ronnie obviously the best ever that's ever lived but the amount of times he's not done a 147 on purpose because he won't pay the right cheque have you seen that if you remember they used to give you 147 grand but he stopped doing them didn't he he'd get to like an easy black and miss the easy black I thought it was brilliant I wasn't having that I remember that happening and I as a sports fan I was fuming I get whatever the protest we were doing but I'm going everyone's paid the money someone's grafting all week coming down watching you you're the hero put it in for God's Imagine you two going up for a penalty and going, nah, I want an extra£50 ,000 away.

1:14:28You've got penalties all the time, you've missed them all, I've scored. I missed them on purpose. It's like Ronnie. It is, yeah, so we're going 1-4-7, 9-darter. All in one. All in one. Yeah. Bosh. Thanks for joining us for The Good, The Bad and The Football. We'll be here every Monday from 6 o 'clock. You can watch us on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts, basically. Make sure to like and subscribe to the video. and please do that so we can get a smile out of Scolzi. He's got a face like a smacked arse.

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