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27:09Paddy McGuinness:I think also it's really tough to sit here and have a pop-up slot he won the league last year let's not forget that but I think he won it with Klopp's team yeah he didn't have to do a lot he didn't have to do a lot he put the foundation into place and then he left and he's come into this he's obviously a very very good manager by the way tactically he's been there a long time in the game a long time he's going to a team that's like jackpot and then he's got the league one and then this year over the summer and the end of last season he's obviously thinking right how do I get this to be my team I can imagine him sat there thinking people will still be thinking that's Jürgen's team I want this to make this my team or I want to be the man that everyone points at and goes that's the man that's what I'd be like so he's then gone out bought these new players and let's be honest he's struggling to make a squad Which when you were buying them on paper, everyone's going, oh, well, that's that sort.

27:58Paddy McGuinness:See, I don't think so. I still think the Izak won, even though he did really well at Newcastle, really well at Newcastle, let's be honest. I think the price tag for him was ridiculous. And the circumstances didn't help. And the circumstances was ridiculous. And I do think when you're bringing people into a squad, if you upset the apple cart, if you like, that's bad, that squad's just won the league. You bring a player in on that much money, sorry, for that much money, he's kicked up such a fuss to leave a club that looked after him let's be honest giving me chance that's alarm bells ringing for me I don't care what anybody says and I understand why the lad wanted to leave and he hasn't gone to Liverpool he just won the league but it's alarm bells ringing and I'm telling you now you start messing about with a squad's dynamic that has done so well the year before you're asking for trouble You've done well seeing that though because when I saw him by these players I thought that's it for everyone No Honestly I'm not seeing this I know you see him sitting there and saying in the aftermath, but I just think that, specifically the circumstances around it all, it's just never going to work.

29:00Paddy McGuinness:Now, I might sit here nine months time and look at an absolute dick for saying that. He might go on firing and score loads of goals. And I'm sure he's very, very capable of doing that. But I'm telling you now, I just think that if you've got a proper squad built and we've played in really good squads where you've got each other's back and you're not all best mates, Roy Keane's, everyone knows you weren't Peter Smilk's best mate. there's certain other dynamics within our changing rooms but when we went on to a football pitch or a training pitch that squad was tight you could go to a night out on a Wednesday night if you had no game and that squad would be tight and again you wouldn't all be best mates you wouldn't all go out for dinner together on a normal night but when you affect a squad and affect it in a really dodgy way in my opinion then you're asking for trouble You know a mate of mine sounds random he was in the SES for 12 years and I was talking to him about obviously life and death the missions they're on and what but he said to me that He said, you're in a small squad.

29:54He said, and you're there for each other regardless. He said, but not everyone gets on. He said, but you're there to do a job. He said, and you literally put your life on the line for the bloke at the side here, even if you don't get on. And it's funny, in any walk of life, when you're a team, that's what it's all about. Them's the ones who are successful.

30:14Paddy McGuinness:If I was sat in a changing room, this is God's honest truth, and I had a seven or an eight out of ten player every week who was a great lad and you add your back. I'd rather have him than someone who's a superstar who's 9, 10 out of 10 every week but a complete dick. Yeah. All day long and you can ask anybody who's been in a high-performing squad. You've got to have that. It's massively important. I do agree with that. And by the way, I'm not saying that he's actually a dick. What I'm saying is I don't know his personality but there was dynamics around that transfer that wasn't right. And I tell you now, I spoke to a few older Liverpool players who have said the same thing about it.

30:47Paddy McGuinness:You wouldn't want to welcome him into your after what's been said. you wouldn't want to welcome into your squad you'd be surprised in a squad of players especially a successful squad of players how much people don't like each other that much well when you two told me of weird you didn't even get each other fucking Christmas card I was like I think everyone thinks best of mates you do honestly as a fan I presume you're together all the time and you're out and everything else I think that happens with the foreign lads you say all the time don't you ships in the nights you're not my mate you're my colleague work colleague you should say it to Gary and Phil you're not the mate you're the work colleague you're a colleague but it's true no but it's true I consider them all really crack yeah of course Scholesy Nev all the lads different when you finish really yeah you're all best mates you know each other's 12 it's hard not to be but you're not in each other's pockets all the time but I think the foreign lads become more close because they come to a different country without the family don't forget we were brought up in Manchester I've got my own mates from school I've got my own family around me it's different but yeah I think I do believe that the dynamics of a squad is the most important thing and I'm going back to the Arsenal thing if you look at their dynamics of their squad they've got a lot of young similar aged players who are very very hungry to go and win something How did you find that next?

31:59I never signed for another club all these new signings going into Liverpool look like you signed for Newcastle didn't you from us?

32:04Paddy McGuinness:When I went to Newcastle it was a real shock for me if I'm honest with you because when I was at United and it's easy when you win it's easy to build good teams but when you win that's quite an easy thing to do but when I went to Newcastle I was surprised about the disconnect. You'd have one group, which was the older pros, mostly British. Then you'd have the younger lads who were like a night out and single, which is fine. That's what happens. And you'd have the foreign lads. Now, you have that dynamic in every single football club, but you don't have it where it's not connected. You know what I mean?

32:42Paddy McGuinness:It's still split. Saturday afternoon split. Yeah, and you could see it. and it was very it was weird because you think that everything's going to be easier and like I say it's easy when you're winning things but that's what really comes to my mind when I went to Newcastle you'd have like a crew of British 27 year old plus players that were mates and go for a pint and have a bite to eat or laugh and joke and then you'd have the younger ones who would be more single no kids no wife living in apartments enjoying the life the best group to be in and then you'd have the foreign lads which group was you in?

33:13Paddy McGuinness:I was right in the middle all three of them he was a bridge all three of them I was right in the middle and again but again it was that's not that is the norm the norm's not what we had and you forget about that and you wouldn't know that because you've not been at any other football club but you know you think that where you're at England probably felt a bit like that yeah you think that where you're at that's the norm and that's what every football club's like but it's not it's not and I like I said I went to Newcastle loved the football club when I was there the fans were amazing fans I really enjoyed my time there it was ups and downs but literally it was really weird when you're thinking well I never went out once in five years where all the scoffers together really and we used to go out every other week all together and you'd have Peter Schmeichel there Roy Keane there Teddy Sheringham there me Scolze Oligon Associar Ronnie Johnson Yapsta and every single person would be there now every single person weren't best mates and sitting down laughing and joking but every single person would be there we made a point that everyone where everyone had to go.

34:14There were no little four or five groups. Now you've said that actually, you're right, because even non-league football when you're playing with your mates, there's not 11 of you out sat together. You'll all go out and you split off in your own little mates. You could be on a building site

34:31Paddy McGuinness:and you're always going to gravitate to your mates. And that's what we'd do. If I was going on a team meeting, which is what we called it, I'd still be sat with Scaldi or Giggsie on it, and Keeney. But you'd still all be having a bit... so when you go to like you say you know you signed for Newcastle what's on day one when you're going in what's going through your mind are you thinking like I've got to make a good impression I've got to go and speak to the captain like what sort of it's weird for me because I was in he was in Chicago weren't we you're laughing at me you're going in Chicago every time he says something like you go like that and I know this fucking story we can never talk about I'll tell you the story no I'll talk about it alright so I was in Chicago and the day the mind has gone and drag me to the breakfast and he's gone no the deal's been done you go to Newcastle drag me to the breakfast and I've gone I've gone alright great and he's gone you've just got anything so you're flying home the next day so then I think we asked as quick as that we asked for a night out so he said right but he's leaving you have a night out we had a really good night out to be fair anyway you haven't thought too much about that but I remember I got on the plane the next day to go up from Chicago to get home to go and sign for Newcastle and you because of the I was there from the age of 12 and I was left when I was 30 to that's a long time and I'm thinking I'm nervous yeah I'm like I'm nervous here going to but I knew I knew Alan I knew Lee Bowyer I knew Kieran Dyer was Alan captain Alan was captain so I knew Alan from England so it was a bit easier for me but the big thing that I felt when I went there was this was what Mrs.

36:02Paddy McGuinness:Moorstaker made was when I went there I started off really well at Newcastle the first probably first four games I got a man at match every game did really well and then I started doing things that weren't my natural game because I felt like right I've been at this football club all these years I've played so many times for England I've won all these trophies I've got to now be something that I'm not you're almost trying to prove yourself to the fans I'm trying to prove myself to the fans that I'm actually better than I actually am rather than just sticking to my own game which was getting around the pitch being aggressive winning the ball giving it to the better players that was it fundamentally that was my job but then I started trying to do things that worked so I ended up having a nightmare I got lost in this big mind spin I had a shitter for probably a season and then I went back and I did okay.

36:42Paddy McGuinness:But the big thing for me was, was the actual, I didn't have my familiarity around me. I didn't know the kit man. I didn't have him there. I didn't have the people that I'd known since I was 14. So when you see these people coming from a foreign country and they're going to a club and there's loads at United now that, when you sit and talk and you do the podcast or you do interviews, I find it really difficult to speak about people having a nightmare because I only went two and a half hours at the road. these people come from the other side of the world you see like Varon or you see a Cleberson and it must be difficult for them lads so for me the hardest thing was familiarity and trying to prove that I was a really really top top player and trying to help the club it was difficult and it took me a long time for it to hit So with that in mind like you were just saying about Varon when you had a player come into United where they have come from another country and obviously the Premier League is a tough league to play in what did you lot do with those players like to sort of ingratiate them with the team?

37:42Paddy McGuinness:We just had a really good connection and we was very lucky that we had the local lads in it. We had the lads that got brought in like Akini or Schmeichel, we were all like proper men who looked after you. But we got lucky because we had a lot of Scandinavian lads come over and they were really English, if you like. They bought into it really quickly. so then you'd have one or two of that come in like a Varun who was a great lad like unbelievable talent but more importantly a great lad didn't speak a word of English but the funniest nicest lad you'll meet what genius on the football pitch and you just try to be mates with him I remember Diego Forlan come in and I used to pick him up at the Marriott Hotel every morning to make sure he weren't getting a taxi because it was too much from my house it was the worst 10 minute 50 minute drive ever because we didn't say a word to each other but I didn't want anybody you never wanted anybody to be on their own.

38:34Paddy McGuinness:And that was what was really good, but a good story for us for all. Just hang on, so he gets in the car with you and you're set off. Are you not saying anything because he can't speak English? Bit of both, to be fair. What did you say? He has put the radio on and have a listen to it. What did you say? Have a listen to talks both of them. No, you're just like, hi mate, you alright? He's going, yeah? And you're going, have a good weekend? He's going, yeah? And you're going, this is fucking hard, this is hard. And you're doing about 90 mile an hour to get to train as quick as you can but I'm sure he's thinking I wish this fucker wouldn't pick me up I'd rather get a taxi but literally it's like you say it must be so hard coming from these South American and you forget about these things Varon was in Italy wasn't it I suppose for quite some time but like you're saying you're going two and a half hours thinking how hard it is they're coming from they're coming from a different remember when Seba he was freezing at Carrington one day and he'd come out and he was literally he had a coat on he had a snooze on he had gloves he's shaking he's just Varon and he said I can't feel my teeth I can't open my teeth we don't have to rinse them he was absolutely freezing cold he'd never seen like weather that bad he'd obviously been to Italy but it wasn't obviously where he must have been but difficult for him and I do find it difficult to have a pop-it player that come from afar and try and buy into our culture you want them to do swell the talent he had was like frightening he bought him the little witch was his Yeah, Little Witch because his dad was called The Witch.

40:00Oh, was he? Oh, I didn't know that.

40:03Paddy McGuinness:So literally, they bought Seba and I swear to God, I'm sat, I think I was holding something like that on my way back before pre-season. I'm thinking that's me because that's my career over. I'm lying. It was, they played Everton at home the first game of the season. I was suspended. He scored. He got a sudden 10 minutes and I swear to God, the whole stadium stood up and clapped him. I'm sat in the director's box and suspended and thinking, I don't think I'm ever going to play again. I'd have Scholes in front of me. Keane, he was there. Bex was obviously midfield then Bronk comes and I'm thinking how am I ever going to get back in this team we only used to play with two midfields two out of four two out of four and you're thinking this is one to add but it just didn't work out for him and like Scores he was saying I wanted him to do well through Gritty T because he was such a really really great lad but then he's taking your position so yeah but I don't know Diego was a stranger when I did Diego coming out of Barndorfer months could he his confidence was low he was a nice lad and then he left.

40:57So when he's in, regardless on the pitch, when you see him in training, was he the same as well? Confidence had gone. Confidence had gone. He didn't score in training for a while.

41:06Paddy McGuinness:But honestly, our training, our squad was really, really, really, not roof, yeah, roofless, but nice roofless. So you'd get absolutely annihilated in training and he's went, you could just see him go like that, vroom, went straight to the floor. No matter how much you're picking him up, he couldn't get back up. He couldn't get, he scored a couple of goals at Liverpool, Liverpool Liverpool Liverpool yeah and he's a hero just for that yeah just for that they're still seeing his name now did he score a big goal in his Chelsea or somewhere as well at home I think but then he goes away he went on to win the Golden B yeah that's right yeah yeah it's bloody ridiculous he's a tennis player now he does play tennis yeah it's random isn't it because I've heard of like that was Keeney's fault that he wants to be a footballer Keeney Keeney's centre for tennis because he's a bobbling I was with him in January and he was going to play in a professional tournament like a doubles tournament yeah brilliant I played a game of the week no he was there Cleverson Cleverson was there he lives in Florida now that's another one it didn't really work for did it he played against us in that quarter final against Brazil brilliant it says here I didn't know it says Rooney and Ferdinand have spoken about taking the piss out of Ever and Vidic when they first joined what was that I think that's very brave taking the piss out of Vidic because I want to take the piss out of him yeah I ran into him once on a football I mean literally ran into him and I fucking I think I'd like you know when you say you get knocked down you get that white flash and we're like that and then we're all like something's just happened fucking ran into something it's like you say you know you talk about a ruthless world it was ruthless around the morning Wazer and Rio would have been ruthless like hammering him in training I remember Patrice's debut at Man City Trevor Sinclair absolutely destroyed him honestly I remember seeing his face half time it's just like what the fuck's happened and he got the piss took out so I used to say to him the gaffer brought you over to ride his horses for him I thought you were a fucking jockey but you know as well with that kind of like I mean that crack like that funny enough if you're like you know you're an English lad and whatever and you know sometimes you come over from another country you might not get the like it's a friendly bit of chat but you're thinking well hang on a minute they weren't friendly them two turned out to be unbelievable players by the way oh yeah absolutely they both got a little bit of steak Rio would have got a load of steak I remember I was going to say I remember hearing Rio talk about when he joined United and you were having your first training session in the boxes yeah we used to go in the boxes and you weren't great at first Rio you got better don't get me wrong you said someone pink balls and he bounced off his foot and Oli Gunnar said how much yeah how much it was ruthless wasn't it yeah the boxes are a story Big Sol I remember Big Sol in a box at England which is funny it's funny what was that so we're doing this box and Sven sorry Saul was probably one of the best natural defenders but when it sorted his feet out in a little box couldn't do it I remember Sven going to ask to me oh my god who's he from this is from Wales he went oh my god is this the same Saul Cameron who plays for Arsenal he just couldn't sort his feet out so then the boxes sorted you out it sorted your feet out not only that it was banter and it brought the lads into that it's not really a bollocking but it's a bit of a you're welcome to the club you almost used to judge players from them boxes didn't you I'll tell you something you'd fall out with your best mates in a box you'd fall out because like you blame him and they're sliding in it was like it was really ruthless it's funny isn't it but that kind of stuff like that in the box and bollocking and taking the piss probably then when comes game day you're thinking Solovey I'll fucking show you it got the England shirts on and that's that you know what I mean so when you look at players like Isak and Virts how would you treat him in training would you be taking the piss would you kind of go he's having a rough time of it especially someone like Isak I know he's played in the Premier League at Newcastle but considering the circumstances what we just talked about with all the story behind it and the uproar and everything else how would you be with someone like him I think you try and help them of course because of the part of your team and you want your team to win games but it's difficult where's that line do you know what I mean where's the line that you cross I think it's got to a point now where at first you'd be taking the piss like we did with Patrice like we did with Vidic like we did with everyone who came really but I think it's probably gone past that point of taking the piss now it's serious six Premier League games out of seven and trying to settle them players in and you wouldn't think it'd be that difficult what do you think for her it's just come from Germany it's a good league probably similar style of football to English probably better over here don't get me wrong he's like he knows the Premier League there's something just not quite right with what's going on there but I think as far as settling them in it should be quite easy I think each person within a squad has their different roles within that because you'd have someone like Akini who's an example you use as a captain he would he would give them a real like bollocking but then he'd be after them and like having a right pot but then if he'd seen that he was having a bit of a bad time but they're trying everything then he'd be a bit different I might be a bit different with him having a laugh and a joke or picking him up or taking for a bite to eat or a drink never was more of a like do everything for your time so everyone's got the different dynamics within the squad the how to treat a player who's having a tough time I think it depends on what the player's like what are them two players doing now are they training properly are they looking after themselves properly are they living the right life you don't see that that Liverpool team at the minute having a good crack off do you you don't see them like No, it'd be horrible though.

46:49Yeah, it'd be horrible. I don't think you see that in most squads though. You need a few people in there who, like you just said, them seven out of tens, but they're great lads and they put a shift in and they just keep that sort of camaraderie going.

47:03Paddy McGuinness:I think it's a bit like, going back to that thing with Scully was saying, it's a bit like the manager knows who can take a bollock in and who needs to put their arm around. And I think that's the same with all players. Some players might be a bit cocky and might be having a shitter, but still going out on a Saturday the night and giving it big licks then he would get absolutely annihilated and I mean annihilated but then you got on the other side of the dynamic which might be a great lad is you know he's always going home he's doing his energy at seven in the morning when you come in he is there last out and they get treated a bit different I think you just got to you know work out which way to go with him like we said before it's a difference between good players and great players yeah I mean you can come back every year and I feel probably at this point you've won the actually sellers because the team's playing a bad I was just starting to look after ourself a little bit.

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49:27While I've got you to hear, tell me a little bit about his personality. Forget what we read on social media. media in the news what's he like to be around as a player and a trainer and with the lads I can't speak of being with him as a young player when he was he was a nice person really nice person really talented player you could see he was going to be a proper footballer of course you could he played in that reserve team with Warren Joyce now I know he was a little bit upset when he went I think Raphael and might have been Phil Jones the Blackburn game around the Christmas time It was actually when I came back.

50:06It was that game after that that I decided to come back. I always think sometimes, was I one who possibly stopped his development at United as well? I don't know. Look, he was a talented kid. I remember he weren't happy at the time, but I also remember he was playing in the reserves at the time with Warren Jot and he wasn't playing very well. He wasn't doing well at that time and he missed a chance. If he was doing well, I think he'd have been straight in because he was that talented. he was such a big powerful player you didn't want to go near him honestly he was just one of them now whether he changed or what I don't know I'm not sure Were you excited when he came back?

50:44Yeah Yeah of course I was I thought wow we've got the the player we all thought he was going to be as a young kid but maybe his attitude wasn't the same maybe look it's alright saying he was mixing with the wrong pick I don't know I do know at the time that the manager I'd say wasn't very complimentary about his agent and maybe they say the same I don't know I don't know the ins and outs of it but I think he probably wanted a fortune to stay as a young player when he just hadn't he hadn't reached them heights to be able to do that now when he came back I was excited yeah wow you know the player that developed at Juventus it was it was amazing yeah but for some reason it just didn't work lucky he weren't the only one was it it It was about that time when the decline started.

51:33But as a talented lad and as a person, the person that I knew as a young player.

51:39Paddy McGuinness:Yeah. I'm going to say, I didn't really know him that well as a young player because I'd gone, I was at Newcastle. When he came back, I met him a few times. Really good lad. Yeah. One-on-one, really good lad. Obviously it didn't work out. I know that's goal. He said it was in a transition period for the club. They were by him. all these superstars Sanchez come in Ibrahimovic come in it was amazing for the club I think it was Latin to be fair but I think the club made the rod for their own back with the signing me they built this big monster the commercial monster and then didn't like the fact that he was getting too big so when he when he signed was you at the club any sign when he come back the second time so I was there and they set this big studio up and it's like a three-day filming all his and back his advert which is obviously sponsored by Adidas which was his boot sponsor and it was huge I was thinking it's a bit over at the top it's like he's coming back to a football club yeah he's an unbelievable player yeah he made himself a superstar at Juve and was the top player I remember we had a chat was it me and you spoke to Edward about him cruise remember we sat in the office cruise Tony Crowes oh no I don't think it was me oh yeah it was yeah it was me you Giggs them last four weeks and we were saying about which one do you want to go and get and we said go and get both of them and Man United go and buy both of them and they just got the Pogba so when you're saying about and it makes perfect sense but I just never realised it happened when you say you had the meeting with Woodward would someone like him have sat down with senior pros like you two and gone we're looking at signing this player what's your opinion and would it would that have an effect on the decision don't know to be fair i just remember ryan took control of the club for five four or five six games at the end of the season four games yeah and then obviously me and skulls did it with him along with phil as well i remember obviously they were looking for the right mind just come in and and take the job so they obviously needed targets to go and get in the summer and we got i was i'd left the training and got called back and there was a meeting with myself Scholesy Ryan and Ed Woodward and he was asking I think Ed Woodward was on a Zoom call it wasn't so much face to face I think he was in London and it was like who would you get and he gave us a list of midfielders and I think well no Popper was one Crowsy when you were saying Fabergast might have been one as well Fabergast might have won I think even Modric might have been one as well and I remember we was all discussing pros and cons to them all and the end of the conversation was go for both of them Crows and Pogba because we're Man United and we need to get back to the top and if you get one it's like Ying and Yang we mentioned it a while ago about you look at centre backs like with Harry Maguire and you need a footballing player next to him it's a bit the same with midfielders you know we're not all the same you need a bit of a compliment to each other and that was how it was left and then they went all out for Pogba This is just it interests me because I've never thought to ask you about that actually when Giggs did two charge four or five games you two were there who else?

54:52Phil Phil when they asked you to do that did they just say did they actually say right Luke you're going to have five or six games just keep us afloat keep everything ticking over but we are going to bring someone else in or did they kind of say to you all if you do a good job we didn't have that discussion

55:14Paddy McGuinness:it was a discussion with Ryan on his own I'd imagine he just basically said I want Scolzi and Buddy and Phil with me and they must have gone, yeah, fine, have what you want, it's four games, and we'll look at it. I actually thought Brown was going to get the job. My belief now is if... He did all right in the M4 games, didn't he? I don't remember it being sort of disastrous. I think 1-2 drew two, I think it was. I don't think we lost. I don't think we lost. But I think if Mourinho wouldn't have come available, because he got sacked from where everyone or left his job, if he wouldn't have come available, I think Ryan would have got a job.

55:43Paddy McGuinness:Looking back, it probably would have been the right thing to do. Yeah. He would have kept the culture. they'd have kept the culture I think again just even through doing this podcast with you two and what you're about as people and what you talk about and what you talk about on here I kind of and it probably is a name like Mourinho you go well it's Mourinho he's going United it's massive but really Giggsie staying in charge and you two you're doing the coaching and everything else it just seems like a no-brainer I think it was really tough for the club though because if you look at they'd have looked very very stupid when Mourinho came available that they didn't have a real chat to him and look at him because he was the biggest superstar manager at the time I never thought he was right for Man United or Mourinho no but he'd come in and won they just went for the name yeah that's what I'm saying they'd have looked stupid if he hadn't gone and spoke to them and he did and obviously he schmoozed them and to be fair Mourinho does what he does he goes into clubs and wins and he did that he couldn't see Man United and he won people can say what they want about him they like him they don't like him they come in and won but I genuinely do believe if Mourinho wouldn't have come available Ryan would have got the job I do I think it probably would looking back on it like it's going to be said now to keep the coach in the way it all went from then I think it would have been the right thing oh does it work when so Giggs ate four games I think Rude come in what do you think two or three games no it's a bit more was it a bit more than that Rude don't know can't remember it only seemed short but again seem to kind of work alright Ollie the same so what happens are these clubs is it all money where they go we need a name because someone like Rude and Giggsie Ollie unbelievable players world class but they just don't have that name in management and it's United and it's arguably the world's biggest club you'd expect United they want the best in class and everything whether it's a player or manager so if the best in class becomes even if they don't become available you just go and get them it's man united they should have the best now marina at the time of course he probably was the best in class available was louis van gaal i'm not too sure and where them your ryan kiggs is your ruban this arise your ollie gunners probably again not at that time especially um now when you can't get them type of people So, I always come up and look, but I think this is Man United.

58:15It's got to be, you've got to have the very best that is available. But when they have those little spells of being in charge and they do well, what are they doing different with the lads that a Mourinho's not doing? Or a Van Gaal's not doing? It's just a different voice sometimes, a little bit of a... Because obviously when a team aren't winning, there's people who are in the team who aren't happy with the previous manager or the previous coach and sometimes just a little bit of a freshen up maybe I think Ru didn't play a little bit differently Ryan as well everybody respected Ryan massively obviously because of what he'd done at the club and there's almost a little bit of an energy boost sometimes there isn't always but a lot of the time there's an Oli found it for his first however bounce effect but suddenly that wears off because you haven't quite got the experience do you know the one

59:04Paddy McGuinness:I can never get my head around is why Roy Keane never got a chance I do and he's a mate so it's a bit biased but if you look at his personality and his playing career and his character and what he did in his management he did it unbelievable at Sunderland and if you look at all the troubles he've had and he still lives local I can't for the life of me fathom how no one's had a discussion with him and sat down and said would you be interested in this job because I'm telling you if you're a clever manager or even just as an assistant you think about him with Martin O 'Neill and these people you think if David Moyes would have brought it right I just think when it's been going bad if you'd have got Roy in and Roy's a very astute person he's a clever bloke he'd then go and get a really good coach in to do the stuff that he might think he's not the best at because I think Roy is very much a Sir Alex Ferguson manager he's a manager he manages people he comes alive on match days he tells people what to do he looks at he'd go and get some whatever his flaws he's not too big to think well I need this and I need that and I'll go and get it.

1:00:08Paddy McGuinness:He's not stupid enough to think I can do everything. And I just can't for the life think how powers that be at that football club would not have spoke to him over the last five years. Do you think it's down to are we left? No, because that's gone. No, I know, but do you know what it's like? People sort of look along memories. I'd get that if people were still in charge that we left, but that's all changed. That dynamic's all changed. So there's new people at the top. I just think it's bizarre how you look at, you're looking all over the world I think United fans would love that as well but you're looking all over the world for the right person and the right person might just be on your doorstep there and I get it if they speak to him and go not for us but they're not having a discussion with him it's a different football club to what where you knew it I don't know about you Nick you worked there quite recently but I don't really know anybody there I don't know anybody there I wouldn't know if you had a ticket I wouldn't know who to phone I would know it's a true story just saying that I've been asked for a couple of tickets I wouldn't know where to go I wouldn't know how to get a ticket that's actually a letter here I have four season tickets so we use them my son uses them every single week I'm saying mine as long as gone you get people asking so I've had a Salford lad who wants to go to the game this week it's a couple of tickets so I've had to ring a tout get out honestly I know a tout no it's just it's just bonkers innit I just don't know anybody it's just different do you know when you go my lad's got the same thing you scan it you scan it don't you if you don't use it if you don't use it three times you get them taken off so I've had an email saying I'm ticket taken off and I rang up and gone can I speak to somebody about this please and obviously it's just a switchboard it might even be a football fan and they go who am I speaking to please and I go Nicky Butt and they go okay who's that who's that I couldn't say it but I feel like is that the lad who's played for Newcastle I played about 450 games this quarter and I've won about six tights seven tights but it is a different world I wouldn't know I'm not complaining about that no that's just the way it is and that's the way it happens I get that but it's like my go to was Caff just because you played for the club you're not entitled my go to was Caff Caff I need some tickets no problem I'll get you now Caff tea lady all that you know gone which is wrong in my eyes you know those people who have been stalwarts at the club and just I have no skin in the game with United but forget the football when I read they'd sack the tea lady I was like that is a fucking piss take but that's a different story but I know you might get the job now because you're a tea specialist hey the teeth will be sparkling do you know just what you're saying like you don't expect tickets and all the rest of it I get that but I know I kind of think hang on a minute you know I know you went to Newcastle but like I said the amount of games you played your lifelong service as a player to United when I've been at United playing, you know, and I've been in them change rooms loads of times, your fucking pictures are still holding trophies and everything else.

1:03:15That's got to count for something. Do you know what I mean? We only played for them. No, I know, but surely it's a bit of loyalty. Like, it should be. Well, that's loyalty to get me a ticket. That's not loyalty, is it? Of course it is. Well, if you give everything for a club. Yeah, but that was... Listen. You're going back 13 years now since the last time I played. well it doesn't matter what you've done does it alright I'll give you an example no of course it does like John McGinley at Bolton John McGinley super John McGinley yeah but he could still walk into Bolton now and get tickets and everything else you know what I mean like if you've been a player for a club and you're a legend at that club and the fans love you I think the club I'm not saying like you should be on the payroll or anything but if you want tickets you should have a number I'm not having it.

1:04:04Paddy McGuinness:I'm not sure if you wanted tickets, you'd get tickets. But I think what's going on, I wouldn't know who to ring. I wouldn't have a clue who to ring. We don't mind paying for it. We'd pay for it, wouldn't we? But we just don't know who to ring. That's it, because the club is just different. It's like a million miles away from where we saw it, really. We knew it. So when you go there now... I'm not saying that's a bad thing. No, no. It might be a good thing as well. When you go back then, watching a game, do you feel like you've never played there? do you what I mean by that is like do you feel you can go in and go oh I know where I'm going up there or do you feel as though someone's going to excuse me what you're doing you're not allowed in here yeah well you've still got your passing and stuff get out you know when it's working to TNT Sports yeah or on a Thursday night you're still like showing your pass and everyone's looking so would that be the same for someone like Gaz who's their all time yeah probably if you've got your pass so literally you've got your pass and they go Nicky can have your pass when you go in and you go, yeah, here you go.

1:05:04Paddy McGuinness:And then I look at your pass and I go, are you signing this for me as well? So you pull the shirt out and you're thinking, what do you want me autograph for if you don't know who we am? So literally, but it is football. That's what it's like. But do you know what? You should just remind me, this Sunday, I do my show every radio tour every Sunday from Salford. And I forgot my pass this Sunday. And the security blow had stopped me. And I went, there's a rally chopper in reception with a fucking big thing on it saying over 10 million quid raised. My picture's above it. I've got a picture behind a reception and he went you know what he meant he went I do think I know your face but if you've not and I'm going fucking hell it's just lost a bit of the personal touch yeah that's it's a juggernaut isn't it wow it is honestly when I hear things like that and again no one knows anyone a living but I just kind of think come on players who've who've given the role for a club if you're in for half a zero in one season you're gone and whatever fair enough but certain players should be afforded certain things at clubs the funny thing is you'll see some players who maybe played 50 games or something they're in the director's box so what's happened there?

1:06:15who's invited them? when I say invited them they'll probably ring up and they might just go straight to the top or get their agents to ring him and say he wants to come to a game alright get me the director's box it's just something we'd never do well I've got a few mates who are United fans so I'm glad you two who have said that because I know they're on the verge of going, hey, when you see lads, can you see if they can get us any tickets when you're fucked? They can't get tickets for themselves. So any of you who are United fans... That's why I said it. Because nobody minds, nobody minds anymore.

1:06:43Yeah, that's a good show. Yeah, so anyone who rings you every other week. Just on a bit of, I say fun, it's probably not fun if it happens to you, but this injury Cole Palmer's picked up, so he stubbed his toe at home, right, he's just come back from injury and he's out again. freak injuries like that, modern game, loads of money, I should imagine the club was saying, wear a certain footwear at home, do this, don't wear flip-flops, you know what I mean? And he's gone out, he's stubbed his toe. Have you ever had an injury like that? Or have you, like, do you know of anyone who's had one? I had a weird injury, it was nothing like stubbing your toe.

1:07:22I had a blood clot in my eye. I was playing against Burnham, I think I might have been playing against Nicky actually. Nicky was playing for Burnham, he's on loan now, wasn't he, I think. and it was about the 70, 75th minute or something. I remember running over, someone was taking a throw in, so as he threw it, I reckon I saw about three walls coming at me. Really? And I just, I felt like I was getting a migraine. I don't know if you haven't used to get migraines, but I just felt like I'm getting a migraine, and I'm getting a migraine, but I never got the headache, and I just started blurring this in my eye.

1:07:54Right. So the day after, I went to see a specialist. The doctor thought it was going to be a migraine. I said, Doc, I'm really struggling. Ended up, played the rest of the game. I said, Doc, I'm struggling. I don't know what's happened. Something's wrong with me. I can't really say it all bit properly. So the day after, it was still the same. So he sent me to a eye specialist in Manchester and apparently a blood vessel had burst in my eye. Jesus. It just like splashed everywhere. So that's why I couldn't see. How does that get salted? Aspirin. Fucking hell. Yeah, there's nothing really. You just had to thin your blood.

1:08:29it was like a blood clot blood clot in your eye that just burst did you carry on playing? yeah it was only 10 minutes last I remember running out what the fuck I'm going to get a man I'm going to be sick you know Cole Palmer if you're stuck you told me this lad's had a blood clot in his eye I was out for I couldn't do anything I couldn't do any exercise for 4 months until the last month and the last month what I did I loved it I just trained with the keepers with Tony Cotan he was fucking brilliant smashing the ball the keepers all day He's just preaching to the converted here. I love training with the keepers.

1:09:02It helped me that in a way. It helped me technically. Yeah. I'd recommend that for any players, midfield players, who want to practice kicking. Come train with the keepers. It's brilliant.

1:09:11Paddy McGuinness:Yeah, tops it. I popped my meniscus. I stood up to go and get the remote control from somewhere, honestly. I just had a little pop in my knee and I've gone, I didn't think now of it. Go up next day to go in training and my knee was swelled up. Dr. Cinephysio, meniscus, I didn't have it repaired. Actually, before, it was probably about eight weeks before the World Cup. You can actually play with that, can't you? You can play with it, yeah, but it just goes like that and swells up. And I missed the last five games of the season and then went away with England. I trained on my own with England to get fit and I missed the first game.

1:09:45Paddy McGuinness:Was it Sweden, the first game? Yeah, I remember you were trying your best to get fit, weren't you? Yeah. And then I played the second game. It's a weird one, that meniscus, isn't it? My mind went, I just literally knelt down on floor. and I went oh there's so much just thingy in my knee but they say you've done something in training but you don't feel it because it's so small and it's on its way so it's on its way so when I stood up I obviously just popped it you were like you were brilliant in the World Cup probably England's best player in that World Cup didn't really work out the same for me after mine but no honestly because you probably thought you were going to be disappointed weren't you that you were going to miss it did they cut it out no just left mine alone and said leave it alone and I got away with it a little bit because it was my left one so I didn't really kick the ball too much with my left foot so I got away with it but it was one of them ones where I actually didn't feel it was right but you'd just be playing in a World Cup you'd think I'm just going to say I'm fine I'm not, I'm fine I don't worry about it as and when but yeah It's you coming back with Bex at the same time he's done his metatarsal his famous metatarsal Cos of like people pick injuries up when they shouldn't you know when you're not thinking about when you're in training or you're doing anything physical you're kind of aware of everything but when you like get up in the morning and stretch you go my fucking bike's gone you know you're not thinking about it outside of football did you used to get you weren't allowed to do anything I was going to say did they say anything so you go don't do this don't do that you think about them all playing paddle now and stuff in training complexes now didn't it we obviously couldn't go skiing or anything like that not that I've ever been skiing but you have a few times you're not allowed to do anything else hey the one this my golf club come play golf no no they've got a couple of buggies there I said to the manager I went I thought we weren't allowed buggies on here he went footballers I went footballers they're not allowed walk I went fucking what these lads I said the 20 odd year old fit as fucking fiddles I'm 52 lugging a fucking set of golf clubs around and my back's fucked and they're scooting past with full heads of ur giving it fucking lovely stuff full heads of ur I don't know what's so good well it's got everything to do with it drives me mad I'm putting my knee on a jet ski, but you're not supposed to go jet skiing or nothing.

1:11:56Paddy McGuinness:I had a jet ski in the summer. When you're going all day, you're not allowed to. It ensures it, but everyone goes on a jet ski, don't they? You went paragliding, weren't you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I popped my knee. My other knee, actually. No, jet biking, jet skiing. Jet skiing. Did you used to get bullets if you got caught doing something? Like, say if someone saw you out on a mountain bike or something? When I was a kid, I used to play cricket. So I was never allowed to play cricket. Yeah. I was saying rugby. I played rugby league at school. Rugby league, did you? Yeah, not allowed to play rugby. rugby.

1:12:23That's what I'm saying, so this injury what Cole Palmer's got, will they, when you go on, will, in the modern game, will they say, Luke, you've got to have something on your feet at all times? No. No. I thought they would with that much money, because that's your tools, innit? When you're at home, you've got, well, that toe-protecting slippers on or something. Them's your tools, aren't they? Them's what you need to be looking after. You can't be walking around in bare feet. Listen, if they're going past on fucking buggies... It's a tool if he's stubbing his toe, though, innit? you can't have a go at the lad for somebody's toe get up in the middle of the night for a piss you can't be that sore can it why can't I play with that broken toe you know when you talk about freak injuries you don't remember when Alan Hansen used to do match of the day and then he were off for a bit and he came back and he had like sort of a beard and his face were a bit redder and they're like what's he been off with he fucking blew a candle out at home went like but you know because the wax stays in this is a true story Google that Alan Hansen blew a candle out and he couldn't do Match of the Day because all the wax went all over his face and burnt it I have not dreamt that please Google that

1:13:32Paddy McGuinness:he didn't blow a candle out he had a bit of a kinky night didn't he a bag full of candles Jack have a look at that true story thank you true story I remember because he'd come back on Match of the Day and he had like a beard and it just didn't look right and I'm like I don't remember that he had a face blowing his candles out no he was like we were talking about fancy candle and all the wax was gathered in he went like and it fucking splashed all over his face I mean what a silly bastard doing that seriously like that don't you oh I couldn't do that no oh no no they could do it with your tongue wouldn't they oh no no I used to have a mate who used to be able to put a fag in his mouth and dock it like that I was fucking put it in backwards yeah you see him put it yeah and you're like going fucking hell how do you even learn you can do that when you're smoking I'm going to stick that in my tongue thanks for watching make sure to like and subscribe you can find us on all your usual channels YouTube Spotify and Apple

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