Scholes on Failed Everton Move, Butt's England Admission & Gary Neville's Lost Fortune

31:28Paddy McGuinness:He could have played for another five years couldn't he Eric? Oh easily. He's wanted to be an actor. Yeah I remember when he first announced his retirement and he stopped playing I read something in the paper that he was doing a beach football thing with Bartz. Yeah he was with his brother as well. Yeah Joel. He started playing that on the beach didn't he? I want pants that would you? He probably just lost the enjoyment of all didn't I just wanted to do Do you think it's losing the enjoyment or do you think it's also they've probably made that much money they've gone? I don't have to be asked.

32:02I don't think he was ever that kind of person.

32:05Paddy McGuinness:You know when he first moved to Manchester, he lived on a normal estate in a semi-detached house. I don't know what other players live. He's in words, isn't he? In Hale, nice house, big. He lived in a normal family, four-bedroom, semi-detached house. He had to move in, because there was like hundreds of people outside. I was going to say, yeah. I don't think the money would have had anything to it. When you're a footballer, it might be different for you, Nick, but you never really think about the money, do you? No. Not when you did. That's interesting, though. When you're training, when you're playing, money's not...

32:35The only time you probably think about money is when you talk about a new contract or something, or when you retire, because you've got your accountants and you've got to think about when you're going to retire, but money never, ever came into it. It's a bit like boxing, knowing that you've got these fighters who want the belts and you've got prize fighters as well that are in it for the money YouTubers yeah but it's interesting like what you're saying there about because now when you look at football and everyone does it you know we talk you hear these footballers wages now 300 grand a week 400 grand a week but it doesn't come into your mind that it's all about the trophies and the medals it's all about trophies winning being with your teammates every day that was the biggest I even think now even though you're on 350 grand a week you'd never know like Harland all them City players because they're still wanting to perform they're still doing it aren't they

33:24Paddy McGuinness:it's a byproduct that's very good it's more for your family your kids you actually know how lucky you are of course you do but it's never something that's on your mind I don't think you'd be saying I'm not going to try hard this next season because I'm not getting as much as I should be getting example it's just the byproducts of the job speaking about Hazard where you were saying it's 34 he could still be playing a game now if he wanted what was it that brought you two back out of retirement because you both had a little flurry didn't you once you'd finished I think Scholes was more high profile than mine I was I'd retired, left Newcastle I did everything that I wanted to do when you are playing football you can't do I went on holiday for the whole school holiday six week holidays that you're never able to do when you play football so I went over to Portugal and stayed at the house there for like nine weeks did all that did you feel your body dressed It's just nice.

34:18Paddy McGuinness:It's not so much for me, for us, because the job we had was amazing. It was more spending time with the kids because you never see them in the school holidays because the way football works, you see them in the May holiday. Time is all around, wasn't it? Comes in July, you're back in full training. You're in America for three weeks. So that was really nice. But after I got to about September, October, I'm like, I'm bored out of my head here. I've got no routine. And I just got a call to go out to play in China, Hong Kong, and it was just like, no, absolutely no chance of finished. I'm not really going to be doing that.

34:49Paddy McGuinness:Just sorry, what year were that? 2011, 12. Because I remember seeing a lot of ex-players, like that league out there was like trying to get people in, weren't they? It felt like the Saudi one though, wasn't it? Yeah, 2012. I went over to 2011 to one game because he said, coming out and I was like, it's too far. I'm not going to go and live over there. My kids are just going, there's no way. Anyway, I went over, played one game. for a while what a place Hong Kong is I'm I spoke to me then wife and just said what do you think yeah go and do it was good so I went over there only went nine months it with that long and I was always five week off one week sorry five week on one week off and screw holders they come out so mine was really low key man was just go over there and enjoy the culture and and the fans must have been buzzing though that it's not the other yeah that's to enjoy the culture The culture was amazing, yeah.

35:41Paddy McGuinness:The culture? The culture, yeah. Yeah. Good. What's that? No, it's right. But literally, and at the same time, we signed Mattia Kesman from, remember Mattia Kesman? Kesman. Yeah, Kesman. So he was a great lad, Kesman. So he was in the apartment below me, so we ended up being best buddies, and it was a really great place. How did you go on with the change of diet out there? It was fine, because I lived on Hong Kong Island, which is very westernised, and you've got all the Europeans, Australians, New Zealand all walks of life there I think when you go into the mainland it's a bit different like Kowloon I remember Scholes when he came back I was like what's he coming back for he must be absolutely mad you wouldn't have known would you no I didn't know no until the Sunday until the game I didn't know until someone ran because Scholes was on the bench and I went oh my mum and dad didn't even know did they not no so just all done on phone calls or face to face no it was on a clear that no and the manager obviously I don't know why He didn't want me to tell anybody.

36:40I just wanted to keep it a secret. I was actually... I retired the first time. I think I was 35. We played Blackpool away in March. We ended up winning 3-2, but I felt awful. I felt, I just can't go on anymore. I never wanted to go on for too long. And I never wanted to stand in the way of good younger players that were coming through. I think we had Darren Gibson, Tom Cleverley, all them people coming through at the time. We were really good young players. So I saw them and said, no, that's it. He wanted me to stay. And maybe play 15, 20 games a season, which... Look, some people couldn't do that, I couldn't.

37:13You want to be playing every game? Well, not so much that, but I just found 15 to 20 games just hard to prepare for for me. Because I wanted to train all the time, I never wanted to rest. Consistency. Yeah, I wanted to just stay out there. But some people would be able to do that. And as Nicky said, the manager wanted me to be around the year after to do some coaching with the under-21s with Warren Joyce. But I never really, I'd not done my coaching badges. I ended up doing them a bit later, but it never really excited me coaching. It was never something I wanted to do. So I ended up going back in September.

37:49As Nicky said, we had the six weeks with the kids. You're off for an holiday. It's brilliant because it's the first time. It's happened for 20 years probably. So I went back with Warren and ended up training. I just trained. At the time, Warren's training was always the hardest, wasn't it? Nobody wanted to go over and train because he's like a sergeant major. Honestly, he had the fittest team all the time. He was brilliant, really good with them. And at the time, he had a really good young team. Like a lot of players you'd known, like Michael Keane, Will Keane, Jesse Lingard, Ryan Tunnicliffe, Paul Pogba was with that group.

38:22It was a really good group of players. So I ended up training them every day. I got to Christmas and I felt as fit as I'd ever done. I was getting to probably 36 then. And I went to a game. I sat with Warren Joyce at a game. I think it was, I have a Boxing Day or New Year's Day or something, and they were playing Blackburn and they were really struggling in midfield, they got beat by Blackburn at home. I think it was Phil Jones and it was either Rafa or Fabio De Silva playing Saturday midfield and they were like, got hammered. So I was just next to Joyce, you're joking, and I said, I fancy playing again.

38:57But I was dead serious about it. Again, it was your first Christmas, so I can't be able to have a drink this Christmas and relax, but I never I did because I thought, I want to play. You knew it was too soon. Yeah. Well, no, at the time, I don't think it was too soon. It was probably right. But because I trained for about three or four months and felt good, I thought, right. So he said, yeah, why not? Go and see the manager. So I went and saw him the day after. I said, I want to play again. And I thought he'd just say, go on, get out of the office. And if he did say that, I was going to say, I want to play somewhere.

39:29I actually spoke to Phil Neville about playing for Everton, the chance of playing for Everton. if the manager did it I think they were the only two people I mentioned to was Gary and Phil and they thought it was the right thing who was the manager at Everton David Moyes yeah Phil was there with David Moyes so I went to see the manager early morning said yeah brilliant you know he rang David Gill within two minutes and said let's do it we saw the contract I don't think we'd negotiate we didn't speak we just signed the contract it also felt nice though when you're going in and where you had that in your head where he's like no he's actually gone yeah fantastic you must have felt wanted I actually went to see Mick Phelan first before that and he said yeah I don't see why not now I don't think anybody had mentioned it to him and I think he might just tell me to fuck off out the office but he didn't he was great sorted it within half an hour with David Gill and I was fit as I said I was fit at the time I'd had no games for six months and the reserves were due to play on the Wednesday Wednesday or the Thursday at Newcastle away so I told Joey the manager said go and play half a game there but don't tell anybody still don't tell anybody what's happening so I thought if I played half a game there then everybody's gonna know anyway they ended up getting called off because the weather it was Newcastle away from it do the same because Newcastle away funnily enough they got called off because because of the weather so we're getting to Thursday Friday we're playing city in the FA Cup on the Sunday still hadn't trained i joined in a little bit on the friday just did the boxes before still no one knew no one knew not so mad no not a soul knew just the manager and he's i didn't train with them on the saturday i didn't train with them i'd only train with the reserves and he said on the saturday just come to the hotel as if you're a coach as if you're part come you suit on come have a glass of wine and stuff so i had a little bit of red wine on the friday that's all the staff do don't So we sat on the staff table, and he's still not telling me.

41:28I'm like, I'm going to look around dick here. I said, someone, please tell somebody. I've got to find out somehow. So they've got to find out. So I'd not told my mum and dad. I'd told nobody. It's only Claire, no. Did you have an agent? No, well, I always had an accountant who's looked after me for 30 years. You never told them either? I can't remember. I don't remember doing that. You wouldn't have told Paul, would you? No, I don't think so. Fucking hell. I didn't tell you, did I? No. So the biggest issue I had was getting a proper pair of football boots. Right. Because I couldn't tell the sponsor either.

42:01I was dying to tell Nike. So the sponsor by Nike said, I need a proper pair of... But I couldn't tell them. So I had like some copches boots. So I bought a pair of boots for 50 quid. I thought, fuck, are they that expensive? What would the fucking staff do when you walked in? Have you got any football boots? Yeah, for my son, weren't they? Fuck yeah. You should be a secret agent, this lad. Unbelievable. Nobody knew until we walked into the dressing room. Anyway, I bought them boots for 50 quid, and I thought, fucking hell, they're expensive, though. They're dirty. I bought a pair for 20 years.

42:28I'd obviously bought a snide pair of boots. They were the right colour, but they were plastic, and I didn't realise. So we get to the ground on a Saturday. Still, no, man, I'm shitting myself a little bit here. And my kit's laid out there, so then everyone see it. I think Danny Welbert was like, I fucking knew you were up to somewhere. I knew you were up to somewhere. so I ended up being sub obviously and funnily enough I didn't realise my boots were snide until I'm warming up and I said Johnny Evans he's got the same boots on but is it real? I think you'll see his face in my head what the fuck are them?

43:04I don't know what do you mean what's the difference to them? and then I felt them like softest fucking most beautiful leather you've ever seen in my life anyway we get to the game and we're 3-0 up. Vincent Kompany got sent off. Really bad tackle, two-footed tackle on someone. So there's half an hour left and I think the manager's thinking, right, it's safe to get him on now. Yeah. Let's get him on. And I remember warming up, going to Walmart for the first time. I ran past, Roberto Mancini was there managing, David Platt was his assistant. Yeah. And I ran past him at the first and he said, what the fuck are you doing?

43:40That's the last thing I need. And what the fuck's it got to do with you anyway so a warm-up warm notes about come on time to go on and I'm there you know if you're gonna be shitting stuff I said I played football for six months and only trained and then McFelan comes up behind me bear in mind I'd been to see him before I've been seen the manager who says it was a good idea you took you to me on the bummer said well this is what you wanted you can fuck off as well that's the last thing they needed to yeah so anyway three and a look i went on um gave the ball away said you know go ahead i'll score before it was 10 minute by the way before you know it's three two and i'm thinking oh my god um someone then passed i was like just on the left hand channeled a little bit a little bit i can't remember me and wazzy just floated a ball over to me and Micah Richards hit me I felt like I'd been hit by a fucking bus big big lad I flattened me and you're not used to getting hit as well you know no well I'd done nothing and he just felt about it by a bus but thankfully we got through it we got through it and then I played for the rest of that season the biggest mistake made was going on the next season I was done yeah I remember I think it was a third game I didn't play badly but I remember playing against Gareth Bale and he went past me and look he'd probably gone past me when I was 21 because he was a flying machine and I thought fucking hell but I couldn't retire again I had to carry on right through that season after they gave the ball away to Aguero I did alright but yeah it was just that initial little bit you think fucking hell what's going on here do you know what I mean you just don't and it obviously helped you playing against 10 men but yeah like I said the preparation wasn't great and I don't really know why the manager wanted it to be that much of a secret.

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46:57amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. What were it like when you said about Platy saying that to you, but what were the fans like? Yeah, I got a bit of shirt down. Because it was warming up in front of the City fans. The United fans were always in that far corner, weren't they? So, yeah, I got a little bit of shirt from down the side. And you were set up going, fucking hell! What's he doing? I don't know where I was.

47:22Paddy McGuinness:Someone told me. I was like, no chance. Yeah, I've seen it. He was out in Hong Kong. was that yeah it would have been I think it probably was is it worse just when you're saying that it's just come to my head this is it worse when you're on the pitch and you're starting and let's say your team's 2-0 down you get taken off or is it worse when your team's 2-0 up then you get put on and they give away two goals which is the worst feeling because that to me would be like oh god I've come on now and I've fucked this right up oh you fucked it up from the start whichever way you fucked it up I think when you come on and you're winning you're on a hiding to nothing aren't you because you've only got one way can't it if you win 3-0 it's not down to Skolze coming on it's down to the team that started the game I used to love coming on as a sub if we were getting beat yeah because then you can only win yeah then you can make a difference when you're winning you can make a difference of course you can you can sure hope you can keep the ball and stuff but there's always that little bit of pressure just what you're saying about coming on as a sub and winning like classic obviously Solskjaer is the players Because did Oli at that time, was his mentality of, I know I'm a bench player and I know I'm going to get used?

48:35And did he kind of, because he knew that, he did always get that big hero moment and he thrived on that? Or do you think he wanted to be starting every game? I think every player wants to start every game. I don't think he'd have gone into a game. I'm just a sub. No. No chance.

48:50Paddy McGuinness:But he had an unbelievable knack of just going on and making a difference. I know it's a lot easier for a forward to do that because they're goal scorers but his instinct instinctively was phenomenal even in the box and can you see what he ends up coaching and managing he's a student of the game right way through he was always he was always watching always watching details if we were sub-segated we might be messing about a little bit but he was do you know what Ollie used to write Ollie used to write down training sessions when he was playing in a pad really every single day every single training session he'd write it down in a big pad and collect them over all the seasons and he's got he must have a butt that thick on do you remember European trips on a plane he's always playing the football manager thing always he was destined to be a manager were you buzzing for him when he got the United job then or did you always know that was going to be a thing I'd never expected the United job to be honest he probably didn't but he did well you look now he did really well compared to what we've seen come after him providing what happens going forward would you have him back as manager tough question as look a few names have been mentioned I've done enough to be manager of Man United I'm not too sure I think I think that's the hard thing for Hollywood if you come back second time it could ruin him it won't because there is his legacy at the football club but I mean you could bring prime Sir Alex or Jose in at the minute and he wouldn't be able to do anything with that squad so for me I hope it wouldn't happen purely the fact that if he got asked to do it he'd do it because of his love for the club he'd do it and we all would because we love the football club but I wouldn't like to see it end bad for him what's your thoughts on I saw Jim Radcliffe do the interview the other day I think with the Times saying I'm giving him three a year hammering bullshit yeah no chance That's rubbish.

50:51What do you expect an owner of a club to say?

50:54Paddy McGuinness:If he loses three games in a row, he'll be gone. He's gone, yeah. Yeah, but he said, if you look at the interview, he's almost saying, I'm not arsed, but if he loses, he loses. I'm giving him three, yeah. You have to say that. As an owner of a football club, you can't put pressure on. What's he going to say? I give him the next three games. does that not make you look like someone who goes back on your word because people people won't care if he gets sacked in three weeks nobody will remember what Jim said and Jim Rackler can always turn back to the fact that well it's the sporting director and the CEO's decision and it is like that and it is like that if you listen to him he says in my opinion yeah so he'll just go that's not my job but I can employ two people CEO and a sporting director that's their job they actually said I saw something didn't they where they said they had a body language expert watching him and said he was bullshit lying if they spent 220 230 million roughly have they got any better than last year for me it's no so I think it's called his dead riot who's who's okay in the signings who's okay in the recruitment who's okay in there I mean I remember years ago no stone was unturned when it comes to a player sign I remember Clivert when I was in Newcastle with Patrick Clivert and I spoke to him and he was a great lad and he was saying oh Man United come in for me but he actually had a private investigator follow him around looking at how he lives his life and Patrick used to have a nightclub in Barcelona so he'd go from he'd go from training ground to coffee shop to somewhere else and so his nightclub and he weren't necessarily always drinking but yeah and the you wouldn't entertain him even how good he was wouldn't entertain him if you look at now I'd love to know what the what the protocol is of putting a project together to go and buy a player I wouldn't have a clue of what it would be I was just going to say that there's nobody there now I don't think it's a totally different club than when we was there I think the players now don't know what it takes to be sorry not the players the people behind the scenes who are buying the players including the manager they don't know what it takes to be a Man United player yeah you're right yeah we knew the biggest gauge I always remember the manager saying I used to speak to Jim Lawley the scout quite a bit he was going to his office I was interested in that side of it and he said the biggest test we have for players that we're going to sign we're going to watch them at Anfield we're going to watch them at Liverpool away because that is the biggest test of character you will find that it's the toughest place to go probably the most hostile atmosphere but if you can play at Amphite, you can play anyway, you can come play for Man United.

53:42Yeah. And I'm not sure that he's there anymore. I don't think anybody knows what it takes to be a Manchester United player.

53:48Paddy McGuinness:And I think it's difficult to sit here, personally for me, and slack off any of the players that are there now, but how many big games has the new centre-forward played? You know, what league has he been playing in? What's the level of the games he's been playing with? And it's no slant on him. Any person, any young player all around the world, in Europe, Man United come calling, and they're going to pay 60 million quid. you're going and good luck to them I hope he does well but as a club as an entity that's spending that amount of money on an individual I don't know how you go and watch someone playing in the Dutch League or the French League and some of the lower teams away from home it's not like Anfield even Leeds or Newcastle do you know what Nick the centre far from Man United is a great example because you look at Rasmus Eiland 22 year old kid who came when he was probably 20 years of age one centre forward from Manchester United and everything was on him the pressure was on him and he too much he couldn't handle it he should be coming in and out of the team he should be three or four centre forwards so this summer what they did they let him go and they buy another one very similar exactly the same 22 years of age and the pressure he started okay as any of his looks like he's getting a little bit better but where's the common sense in that you look at Oli coming over as a young player from Norway But what was he coming into?

55:07Paddy McGuinness:You had Eric, you had Coley, you had Teddy, you had Dwight, you had... Yorker, yeah. Eric Cantor. Rude came in, yeah. Chalk and cheese. Yeah. And, yeah. Is Cesc's Amarind's man, do you think? No, I don't know. It was like a late one, wasn't it? So I'd be surprised at that. That's a really good point because it's like Oli coming over to us when he was 22 and we had no other centre forward. And he's just the one playing every week. You'd kill him. And by the way, that's us as well. When we played, they all talk about our group coming through we didn't play every game we were in every week on all the pressure on your shoulders you look to your left and you'd have Roy Keane you look to your right and you'd have Brian Robson or you'd have Brian McClare or you'd have you're surrounded by you're surrounded by unbelievable it makes you relax it's easy for me I can play six out of ten a day and we're still going to go and win because we've got all these players around us they don't have that now I do feel sorry for the players and that football I wouldn't be one that could sit there and go he's crap that's crap because it's really difficult playing in that club and that's why and Jim Radcliffe made a point the other day didn't he about the academy the academy's failing he said at Man United Jim Radcliffe said do you know what though I think he's ill informed there because of late I've seen a real improvement in the academy I don't know about you Nick have you not the reason why I don't think there's an improvement is because when you look at the international teams for England from 18 to 21 there's not a lot of I think there's two in the whole lot Really?

56:35Paddy McGuinness:Yeah, and that for me highlights how good other academies are. If you're a good player at that football club now, now's the time to get in that first team because there's no one playing well to stop you getting in. I didn't understand his comments about the academy. Was he saying the academy's failing us because we're not bringing people through and selling them to make money for the club? I don't know. Or for the first team? That's the case. Well, he said basically it's failing and that's why we've gone and got a new man in charge. So he's got the new academy manager now, haven't he? and I'm going he won't have anything to do with that he won't even know but he's he's pointing a finger at the academy and again I don't I'm not in that I don't know I'm so far away from that you were a big part of it for a good while though at the time but now I'm not and I don't know any young players so I might be a bit uneducated so I have a big comment on it but the proofs and the pudding if you've got a good academy they're in your team is there no one like you ex-United who can give them that history Darren Fletcher's the only one he's the under 18's coach now Darren Fletcher's the only one only one he's under 18's manager now I don't think there's anybody else from when we were there no staff have been sacked but again I'm not saying that's the right thing or the wrong thing I'm just saying we just don't know anybody there and there will be good players there there will 100 % be good players I know there's two or three very good young players there but again when we was growing up even after us with Wes Brown's year even after them again you'd always have five or six Man United players going away with England all age groups we used to go to when I was at the academy manager there the whole training ground would be deserted and you'd have five players training because the rest of them are international duties and I think there's two out of the whole 18 to 21 in England set up two now that's alarming to me we also had the pathway didn't we we had a manager who believed in young players now Man United they've paid a lot of money for players who aren't good and if you think if they're paying 30, 40 million for an average player and this might be where they're saying the academy is failing have we not got somebody in the academy who's just as good as that but do you not know someone's goals here they've just sold three of the academy products that are now shining in other clubs Rashford, McTominay Rashford, McTominay Gomez he's flying he's absolutely flying at Marseille and you're going well surely someone at the club will say all that and go hindsight's easier to say and it's easy for two old Man United players who come through the academy to sit here and go that's rubbish that's not great but I'm telling you now I don't care what anybody says I don't care if I get slagged off for saying it Man United is like Liverpool Bayern Munich Real Madrid Barcelona their institutions they're not just football clubs and unless you have people that know what it takes to get from there to there and Darren is one so they've got one within Darren but they need more than one I don't care who it is I don't care who comes into that football club unless you've got people that know to get from one extreme to another you're pissing against the wind I think that's what I like about Liverpool when you look at them as a club like you were just saying they're institutions they always seem to whenever I've been there over the years at do's or played in charity games they always seem to have a big ex-player presence amongst the club Bayern Munich same Real Madrid the same Barcelona the same Man United used to be the same now it's not think of what we had watching us when we were coming through we've got Bobby Charlton in his suit looking smart representing the club that's the example you should be like he's come in watching his training Brian Robson come in watch his training Dennis Irwin's there Nobby Stiles Brian Kidd it was just riddled the coaches and the people behind the scenes were riddled with the history of the club I don't see any of that now we're implying people from City it's terrible it's wrong it's wrong and people will people will comment people will comment on this people will comment on this and it'll be look at them two old players now moaning about but it's a fact it's an absolute fact that they don't know what it takes to get from A to B at that football club they don't we know for a fact when the manager was leaving Sir Alex was leaving he always pointed to the Bayern Munich model and he always wanted us a lot and again as Nicky said whether that's right or wrong I don't know but he always saw Bayern Munich with Karl-Heinz Ruben with Franz Beckenbauer all around the state like an institution as Nicky said and by the way I left so I'm not after a job there I know he isn't I left on my own accord but someone should be in there whether it's a Phil Jones or whatever it's going to be someone should be in there and know what it takes to get in from A to B and stay in that football club because it's sad what happens and there's no other big football club that that happens with you've got people that are available now you think you're Michael Carrick you're Wayne Rooney possibly I don't know Darren Fletcher great people who know the history of the club they know what it's like to play for them they know what it takes to be a Manchester they're all still in the area as well it's crazy lads we've got our first community questions I don't know why it's called community we've not seen this it's just it's just it's just first time this right big moment Simon no surname he wants to know what's the most important position on a football pitch easy goalkeeper right next question centre midfield centre midfield yeah I think the engine of the team I think you're all at goalkeeper's a big one goalkeeper's a big one he's come even bigger now a goalkeeper you think about it Jesus I think we spoke about it a while ago I think the spine of your team it's got to be one of the positions down the spine you centre back you go keep centre midfielder forward I would go midfield because that's my position and that's where you look at all the main it is the engine like Scrooge said but others might say centre forward score goals and Paddy you'll say a goalkeeper I guess I certainly will Sub Amanda wants to know how long does it take you to recover from a season where you don't win the league Good question, that, to be fair.

1:02:57A day. Straight after it. You're ready to go again. Really? Yeah, I think so, because you're that disappointed and gutted about it. You start thinking about a season straight away. Well, I did anyway. You can't wait for it to start. You can't wait to get going again. And then there's a determination from the start of next season. I remember Chelsea were really good at one point. I think Chelsea had won the league maybe a couple of times, maybe three times, I don't know. But I remember leading up to Christmas, we were so determined, we were like, winning every game, and got ahead of Christmas time, and we're like, that's it, we're not losing this, and I think there has to be that, the disappointment, sometimes is a good thing, I think for me, losing is a good thing,

1:03:38Paddy McGuinness:when we lost the league, and the big one was, the year before the treble, we didn't win anything, and we was, I think we was third or fourth, in the league, I don't know, I think we was third, you have to make sure, you get your facts right, have you seen that fella on, HMRC, HMRC, you've seen it, he pulls everyone up everybody who tells stories on her stuff makes sure it's true is it Lee Clark? no he did Everett though didn't he? you're in it am I in it? what did I say? you're in it so basically no no you're not saying it no you're part of Everett's story where the story was and I won't have got this right you're playing someone like Milan or something like that and it was about Alex Ferguson saying to you you're on a yellow card don't do anything silly and you went on in the second half and within a minute you've got boots and you're off.

1:04:30The actual real story is you've got a yellow card in the first half and Sir Alex took you off anyhow. So you never even saw the second half but everyone's going we're in the chasers and scolesies and then he comes on and he gets taken off and everyone's laughing and the guy that hit you goes oh hang on a minute. That did not happen. the one that someone told me about was Lee Clark who's played for Newcastle who's the toughest player he played against he said Zidane in the Champions League he's not a player he'd never played in the Champions League or against Zidane can I just I think that's true if HMRC's watching hang on sorry I played against Zidane alright oh yes I did can't have that Clark is that true though yeah it's true what year that's true what competition whatever year he played at Soccer Aid, I was on the pitch playing that one.

1:05:24That's the way I played when I was in. Yeah, yeah. Do you know what? That for me was one of my best Soccer Aid. The whole week, I'll tell you, it was brilliant. It was brilliant. Stagged down in London. Honestly, it was, that was kind of the, one of the last Soccer Aid. Listen, I love Soccer Aid. I still do it now, but I've seen it change over the years, but that was the last kind of real, full on, sort of stacked but not all that like massive players playing in it X-Pros and all your like your Will Ferrells and Mike Myers and all that you know it was like Woody Arison Woody Arison played Woody Arison yeah who randomly during training because he went out to some park in London Woody Arison and we were just playing footy with a lot of kids and none of the kids knew he were just to get extra training in it was not good was it shocking yeah but you know what though what I loved about Woody during them I think he played in two soccer raids just his spirit like you you could tell he just wanted to be there he loved football and I don't give a toss what level you're at in those games because you'll have your good players and you've got you lads who you're relying on but if someone's going do you know what I love to be there and all those big hitters especially the American lads like say your Will Ferrells and your Mike Myers Gerard Butler I know he's Scottish but he was like doing 300 at the time what have you all of them were just football fans just want to be there I love to be in there and what what a yeah HMRC I played against Zidane and Figo and Ronaldinho the list because I don't like to talk about it if I'm being honest right Brian wants to know what was your worst ever performance what game was that for you both my worst ever game there's a few I was crapping a lot of games there was one against Arsenal at home for Man United which was awful I think I'd come off at half time my worst ever game remember David Beckham scored the free kick against Greece oh yeah that was horrific yeah so it was an England game an England game at Old Trafford yeah it was shocking but isn't it funny because of that free kick that's overshadowed everything no one ever talks about it thanks David

1:07:51Paddy McGuinness:Bex weren't much better he had about 15 free kicks remember he had like loads of free kicks and I think the last one I think Teddy tried to get it off him if you see it on the camera he's pushed Teddy out of the way I said I'll take it and he must have missed about 8 puts it in top bin I had a few shockers obviously the one that sticks to my mind I played Sheffield Wednesday away right my gaffer went mad brought him off at half time he said to me you fucking right and then Never play for this club again. Going on like that. But I kept on, I was always the one who answered back, so I'd get a bit more back my way.

1:08:24Paddy McGuinness:I went to see him the next day, he went, listen, I said, I don't know what I'm going on with you yesterday. You're quite funny. He said, you had two fucking left feet on me. I had to set you off for your own good. That was the worst thing about it. I had to set you off for your own good. I'm like, oh God, you've got no answer, have you? I'd be like, all right, fair enough. That's the worst thing on the day after, when you think it's all gone. You brought me off. After I'd come back from retirement, we played a European game. I was shit again. And we saw him in for breakfast in the morning. He was trying not to bump into him.

1:08:55He looked at me and went, what the fuck was wrong with you last night? I'm trying to forget about that. Brought you off for your own good. I'm going to have that on my gravestone. This is quite a nice one from Eddie. Any footballing regrets? Anything happen to you in your careers? You go, I should have done that, regret that. probably my England career really yeah yeah it wasn't good enough for England why was that though? I don't know I don't know I just didn't play very well I think I know

1:09:30Paddy McGuinness:I think I know Scoles was a homeboy he always wanted to be at home didn't like being away didn't like being away so straight away if you put yourself in an environment where you're not happy and we spoke about it several times and you're away from home for a long time and you're in an environment you're not happy you're not going to go on the pitch and be happy and you're not going to play well I do think that's why Scoles' career wasn't Man United because he was definitely a home family guy and watched him at home all the time. And you are away for a long time now. A lot of people out there won't get that.

1:09:58Paddy McGuinness:They just won't understand it. They'll be thinking, you're playing for your country, it should be all end up, which it is. But if you're not used to or don't like a certain thing in your life, you're not going to go on a football pitch and play well. Yeah. And that time when you were in the England squad, I think it was Stephen Gerrard talking to Rio, the other day when it was a little bit splintered as well so you weren't all yeah well look that's we spoke about lows it was splintered we didn't like each other to us Liverpool I never felt that with Arsenal Chelsea maybe a little bit but we were so we were so engulfed in our rivalry at club level the Premier League's too big the Premier League's too big the Premier League's bigger than anything it was then I don't think it was as much now anything back then don't get me wrong even if we're best of mates we still might not have won something you still have your France's your Brazil's you don't have to be best mates I don't think that's you don't have to be best mates I'm not saying you don't have to but I was saying even if everyone was saying because we weren't best mates we didn't win some if we were best mates we were still I don't know because we played great teams I disagree a little bit with Stevie G on this one it wasn't like I ever went down to breakfast and gone none of the Man United lads are here I'm not sitting I'd go over and sit with Robbie Fowler I knew Robbie since we was 15 playing schoolboy England schoolboys 15s, 18s Saul Campbell the same just because we had so many people from Man United in the squad.

1:11:20Paddy McGuinness:There was eight of us, so we'd always sit there. So if you go on a building site and you're going for lunch, you go and sit next to your mates. You're not going to go and sit again. It's just a natural. You gravitate to people that you grow up with and you know. But their opinion might be different, but the Liverpool lads were clicky, the Man United lads were clicky, the Chelsea. It didn't bother me that. We were also obsessed with time because we had a manager who was strict. Fucking hell, no, I know. Jesus. Jesus we were we were obsessed with being there on time so we was always there five ten minutes early it'd be the same five or six of us there always early so we'll just what are we going to do so you'll be together you're not going to sit on five different tables are you and I remember I remember and I'll say his name because he's a really good fella Sammy Lee yeah oh great fella Sammy used to come and sit with us didn't he he's a Liverpool coach he used to come and sit with us and he'd say he'd have to say to us we can always tell a Man United player yeah you can always tell a Man United player discipline discipline then on time I swear he used to say that and that's Liverpool coach so if people won't have a pop at us for that crack on no no I totally get it what about yourself crack on fucking hell one day and I'm not going to get involved you were last against that weren't you but I was on time though yeah I was last to be on time fucking hell well done I'm not going to mention a week before what about yourself regrets lots of regrets but I think the one that comes to my mind is remember when we played Brazil in the quarter final England yeah I think if we would have beat Brazil I do generally feel we would have won the World Cup I do because if you look at the way it went from there Brazil then played Turkey I think in the semi-final I think it was and we would have beat Turkey could we beat them in the qualifier we beat them two or three times earlier in a couple of years build up to it and then it would Germany in the final and I would have fancied us you never say ever but for me personally remember before the first half we was 1-0 up Michael scored and I think it was Ronaldinho was running through the middle and I think he ran past you he ran past me he ran past Ashley Cole now I can't control what Scorch was or I scored it but I can control what I do I should have just brought him down hacked him I think it's about I'm not sure again but I think it's about two or three minutes before half time and Ronaldinho went right for the middle of us he played it out to Rivaldo he just bent it into the right the far right that sticks in my head that because I know if I had just took him out if I had just took him out or Scorch would have took him out or Ashley Colwood took him out would have gone in at half time 1-0 up and if you remember if I'm right again you've got me all par on about being right now with this guy I'm thinking about I've got his fellow watching and then the second half comes would have been 1-0 up they got a man sent off straight away we ain't getting beat we ain't getting beat then even if that fluke of a goal Ronaldinho free kick goes in we're not getting beat with the defenders that we had 1-0 up with 10 men Rio Big Sol Ash Ash the Colt was the best left back in the world then don't care what anyone says Roberto Carlos on the other side he's enough one for me Ash the Colt by the way lovely lad always gets a bit of stick in it so half time comes and you want the look if you know the man gets he scores a goal then gets sent off but yeah that's my regret I can't remember what he got sent off he went over the top he went over the top with his studs I can't remember it was against it was one of them ones where you know he just goes like that it wasn't a dirty it was just nasty ended up nasty but I think it was that's my regret I should have somehow actually it was actually it was Sculls should have fucking brought him down anyway not me but I wish I could have got there and brought him down that's like Peter Heade against fucking Maradona kick him so his biggest regret is me not bringing Ronaldinho down yeah absolutely so he's your fault essentially yeah so Eddie that's Sculls is my biggest regret yeah thanks for watching today's The Good The Bad and The Football we're back every Monday from six o 'clock and you can catch us on Apple, YouTube, Spotify, all the usual platforms.

1:15:15Cheers.