Scott Carson: Pep SUBBED Me In TRAINING! Why Grealish At City Didn't Work & The Most FINED Player...

37:11Scott Carson:Yeah, it was hard. And obviously the first couple of weeks I'm thinking, like, I've got, like, normally you're training for the weekend, aren't you? Yeah, of course. And I'm like, forward to and I've got nothing I've got nothing to nothing really to work hard for and then but obviously seeing the manager work seeing looking around the dressing room and seeing all the players and it was like that must have been an experience yeah the first couple of weeks obviously even obviously having played for how long I did I was still shitting myself thinking look at all these plays here and then I don't know I think it I think it was probably two three weeks and then I just thought to myself well, do you know what, I'm not a third choice keeper, but how can I do the best at this role that I can do?

38:00And it was basically just, I'd get there early,

38:05Scott Carson:be in the first, be in the gym, and I think the main thing was just being on the training ground week, every single day. It was some of your experience with the younger keepers as well. it must have been valuable for them, do you know what I mean? Yes, obviously, only a couple of them came over every now and then because they only liked to have the three keepers, but I think it was more with the, like even the academy lads that come through. Yeah, because you will train with them at times as well, won't you? Yeah, obviously a lot of the young academy lads like Rico Lewis and Nico Riley that are playing now, they'd come through and obviously, like I said, when I went in there and I was 33 and I was shitting myself, so I thought, how's these 17-year-old lads going to feel when they're coming to the street?

38:48Scott Carson:Could you play any games? any like B team games or anything like that you could play just in case you were no there was a few times you didn't make any appearances did you for the first time did you play once do you remember the game when they'd won oh you did you played didn't you who was that against Newcastle they'd just won the league the day before and then I walked out and there was a guard of honour can you remember John Joshelvie's looking at me are you giving it but the experience must have been amazing for you I think it's everyone's got the bravado on their own ideas of where they see themselves finishing football but I couldn't think obviously keepers going a lot longer than players but I'm as a football as a player at 33, 34 it must have been a great experience to go in and just go you know what I'm just going to enjoy myself training every day keeping fit going to the gym watching these unbelievable players and if I am going to go into coaching I don't know what your mindset was back then you're learning from the best aren't you you're literally learning from the best and that's what it was and it was and the day to day stuff Monday to Friday is no different because you're training you're doing everything that all the other lads are doing but it was just when you get in that bus and you pull onto the ground you go to do because at first I wasn't even doing the warm up when I got to and I was like I'm coming here I want can I just do the warm up so I ended up doing the warm up but then even there you're looking around and you're like that's when you want to play of course but during the week it's exactly the same but when you and I was like I used to go home sometimes and go do you know what if I could just train Monday and Friday and not have to go to the ground then in my head I'd be fine them two keepers must have stayed fit a lot then for you not to get a game you don't know because you see now you saw Freddie Woodman come on for a little bit at some point it does happen doesn't it I think yeah I think when Cloudy and Edison were there Edison obviously played all the game how good was he with his feet remember Brian Kidd used to tell me he could play out he got like sort of record assists or something didn't he yeah I think he just got it before he left didn't he yeah but then when when the other lad Zach come in from America he was injured quite a bit so I was I was on the bench a fair few times but like Edison was just like even if he had a knock I'm like I'm fine I'm fine but then obviously the last season he was there he had quite a few knocks and he was he was injured quite a few and i think that was when i thought in my head gonna get a game i'm gonna get a game and he's he's i think i can see him leaving because yeah do you know when you're saying about uh training all and then you go to the game and you realize you're not playing you're like oh i could do without that was there not a a fear in you just because you've not had that actual game time that that moment comes and it's like a big game and they're putting you on you like you're about nervous about kicking it out 100 % yeah so that's what I'm saying mentally out there you think you'd play like a few B team games or it's just a little bit of something there was a couple of times that the like the reserve manager would say do you fancy come and play a game and it'd be good to have your experience around some of the young kids and stuff and I was like yeah I'm up for it but then then he got back and he was like nah we don't really want to risk you play that game because the academy lads aren't fully fit or whatever.

42:18Scott Carson:So it never happened. Just in case, yeah. But no, right, because obviously going into that Newcastle game, I think we just won the league on whatever date it was because someone got beat. And then we all went to the training ground. Everyone's having drinks and stuff. And then all the lads are, Pep, are you going to give him a game? And he was like, and then obviously we've had a few drinks. And I think it was only two days later this game, I think. we've been on it I'm alright the one time I don't want to play and then obviously that day we flew up to Newcastle for the game and you're right obviously I played 450, 500 games but because I've not played for that long I'm thinking can I still play?

43:04Scott Carson:It's in your head isn't it? and then I think it was I think it was my father-in-law he sent me he sent me a message saying good luck it's it's just like riding a bike and I just I started laughing I was like I suppose training was really intense as well because you don't get to that level without in training being intense every day different yeah different but I still think you know just keepers yeah I mean we take our foot off the pedal a little bit about him but keep it always know the training is really intense from what I don't think it's somewhat well Scott probably tired of this much is saving it's probably distances and coming for balls and stuff like that that'd be the biggest problem but he must have done that a lot in training coming from ball yeah I'm just saying in the game it's different game on yeah I think in training I felt fine I was still moving about and making saves and stuff but obviously going back to playing with the ball I'm not worried about going to that game not saving something I'm more worried about your feet when does a goal kick yeah yeah before that shanking out Do you not throw an amy in and say to John Stone, Stone's he took this for us?

44:14Because I come on in the Champions League,

44:17Scott Carson:I think it was before that. It was like last 20 minutes. And then as I've come on, I think we had a goal kick or something, I went, Stone's he, remember, don't pass to me unless you have to.

44:34It is crazy. It's funny how it's changed with Pep though, and his goalkeeper going to Donnarumma do you know what I mean whole circle but it's like what Nicky said though like being at that club being around that many players and a manager like Pep it's invaluable for yourself and your career after football you know if you do ever decide to go into coaching or management you can just see how it's done at the elite level yeah but

44:58Scott Carson:I think as well with Pep I think one of the first meetings I ever went into he's got the tactics ball in front of this big screen and he's just moving everything about you have to go where you have to go and I'm looking thinking what the fuck's going on what's happening and then he'd do it and then you'd watch the game on Saturday and exactly what he's done there players are getting the ball in that space but the players can see it on there and do it whereas I'm coming in looking at that and going that's whenever he goes questions and you're like no got it yeah when you talk about watching one of his team talks there's a netflix documentary when i yeah yeah it was like chaos at times and i was looking thinking i don't know what's going on there yeah but obviously players have that ability yeah yeah as well yeah is there any other players obviously we don't i play with some fantastic players is anything that you thought you know you get about oh he just walks into the room he was the one that had the the real presence and the real real aura because you've obviously played with a hell of a lot of top, top players at that football club.

46:05Always pepped the one with the... I think pepped, yeah.

46:08Scott Carson:I think as well, what helped all that success, there was no egos in there, which is surprising, isn't it? Because you'd think they've won this, they've won that. There is certain people that do get... It's strange that, because we had a lot of egos in our changing rooms, didn't we? Don't you think? Not in a bad way. Not like anyone... I thought they said it was bad, though, was it? Not bad ego. The ego was like, I'm the man. Do you mean like a Paul Ince type character? A Keene, an Ince, Robson, Cantona. He had a lot of egos in there, but in a good way, if you know what I mean. So for me, it was like...

46:47I'd be thinking of him. He's dressing in a thing when Harlan walked in. Yeah, he's just presence.

46:52Scott Carson:Yeah, but he just... What's he like? When he first walked in, he's just... Daft lad. Just daft lad, yeah. He's just daft. And then he's just, he's still got that little bit of, like I think he still thinks he's got that Yorkshire in him and he gives it. But you know, like for everything he's done as well, he was just like proper. And I think, I felt that was half my job as well, like to not to let anyone like get ahead of themselves and try and keep everyone. Did you find yourself as almost like an unofficial part of the coaching staff or do you know what I mean? What you're saying, just keeping your eye on the lads, making sure no one sort of oversteps them out?

47:34Scott Carson:No, I don't think so. Like, as in, he never pulled me in. I think there was once or twice he'd pull me in, just asked how the lads are, and if everything was all right, is dressing room okay? But, no, I think, especially that treble season, the dressing room was just, everyone just got on so well. I think it started, we went to America pre-season, and we'd go training. and we'd have our dinner in the afternoon and we'd just be sitting downstairs in the hotel just all having a few beers. I know it sounds a little bit stupid that you shouldn't be drinking, but it just seems to be everyone together.

48:15That's a genius in it, where he knows when to give you a day off and he knows when to give you a bit of downtime. I do think pre-season is the biggest part of galvanising your squad together. We've said it all loads of times. I mean, you see players coming in late stages of the pre-season, they don't get that bonding. You see a difference. I mean, the biggest thing for us was, the biggest one that I will look at in the bonding one was Veron, when Veron come. Couldn't speak a word of English. Lovely lad, you can tell he's a great lad, but couldn't speak a word of English. We all go to, I think it was Singapore we went to, I can't really remember if it was Singapore.

48:44And we're all there. Come back from Singapore, everyone's best mates with Seba Veron. He was a nice letter. But I think that is, going back to a little bit of what he's saying there, Scott, is about the galvanisation of a squad does start in a pre-season because you know you do everyone likes a beer and a chat and people do loosen up after a couple of drinks and it's not like going on the piss for like four hours on a session it's just having a little chat

49:06Scott Carson:I think the other keeper Stefan Ortega came in as well and he come from Germany I don't think it's a big side he come from so he's come in to like me as well look him around probably thinking and then we went to America and he's obviously he's asking me questions and he was, is it like serious and this and obviously he went there and I had a few and then within a couple of days he feels at home. And it's like, it just makes a big difference. Just what you're saying about pre-season stuff and bonding and doing certain things like Arteta recently, he's seen with his, like holding pencils between each other and holding the ball on their heads or anything like that and that access where the press have seen all that.

49:50Did Pep ever do anything or did you see him do out in training what's never been captured like that where you've gone, you know what we're doing here? This is a bit of a... It's almost like the David Brent book

50:01Scott Carson:of team building, isn't it? Yeah, and I'm not a big fan of obviously seeing that sort of stuff as well and I think the players must have thought what's going on here because I think before them Champions League games the cameras only get 15, 20 minutes so obviously he's done it knowing that the cameras are going to watch So, no, I think he's one of them. He'd have been better off taking the lads down the pub for half an hour, wouldn't he? Instead of doing the... The lads would have preferred. Yeah, the world. Unless he's just, like, absolutely massively trolling all of us, our tetto, and he's gone, hey, lads, let's just do this for cameras.

50:38He's just a bit. He's different, isn't he? You'd have worked with him, wouldn't you?

50:41Scott Carson:Yeah, he was at City, yeah. City lads like him? Tense. Yeah, he was really intense, yeah. To be fair, I didn't have much to do with him because... Did he do a lot of the coaching? Pep basically does everything. There was a video where did Harland say to him, stay humble or something, was that last year? Yeah, I can't remember if he said something. He said it first about Harland or didn't he? Yeah, because it doesn't feel like the best mates, does it? I know Pep and Arteta say they get on, but to me, when they're on the side, well, it's different when you're on the side. Of course, they don't look like Pep.

51:19I don't know, I just felt... There's a bit of needle there, isn't there?

51:22Scott Carson:Yeah, but Pep says he speaks to him and stuff, so I'm not too sure how he is. It don't feel like that, does it? But I just, I don't know, I always found him a little bit standoffish, I think. Obviously, he probably didn't need to speak to me because I wasn't one of the ones that was going to have him to play, so I just felt like... Yeah, but I think that's one of the things, signs of good managers, when they do speak to people, they make everyone feel a part of it, and I think with Arteta as a fan when I watch him where you were saying about a bit standoffish I think that's why I know there's this thing at the minute like Arsenal fans are saying everyone wants us not to win the league but I think with Arteta he's when you see him in post-match interviews and how he is you never get that sense where you're like oh he seems No but I think when Scott's got him he's a number two do you know what I mean as number two he's a little bit standoffish he might have been prepared to be yeah he probably was but I think a number two who's more of a mate of the players yeah that's what I'm saying he should be but it doesn't sound like he was like that that's an example of where he is now so basically in his head I don't want to be a number two I want to be there where Pep is and like you quite like you're saying as well the big job role of a number two is being the in between in between you're in every camp and obviously looking at what Artis has done now he's never really wanted to do that for any length of time so it just looks like he was blinkers on to go and be a manager going a little bit different while of shooting practice like I'm trying I'll reel a few names off shooting De Bruyne Aquaro Haaland David Silva Bernardo all pretty good Jack Grealish Company with some of calls he's got from working did you ever save one to be fair that was another thing when I first went and started doing it and to be fair how Pepe is and everything with his tactics and stuff like that the only shooting that the lads wanted to do was where someone would fire the ball into the D to the edge of the box control and shoot and it's like as a keeper as a keeper it's horrible it's basically just a couple yards past being a penalty isn't it you just look at drawing it which way you go on that part so then obviously I thought alright I'm going to have to start being a bit clever with this so I used to like try and study a little bit and just half half gamble on a lot of them yeah it was the best from that D got a bit to Brian to be fair he wasn't one for doing it all the time really was he not no it's funny how people are like we had Berbatov I've never seen him do shooting yeah and I think obviously he had quite a few injuries and something growing so he was always careful with it but I'm trying to think Aguero were you there with Balotelli no David Silva he never did it did he not David Silva no he's got loads of goals Mahrez Ireland Mahrez Mahrez.

54:17He was up there.

54:22Scott Carson:No, David Silva, I don't remember him ever doing it. I think he was just that laid back. He'll just come out, do his training, and then just go in. How were the other keepers with you in that situation? Like you say, you know what you're signing up for. They're playing week in, week out. when you're training during the week, do you still feel a part of that club? Yeah, I think. Yeah, definitely. Obviously, when I went in, like I said, Claudio was there with Edison. Me and Edison got on like that straight away. Yeah. Even though, obviously, I spoke no Portuguese. He didn't speak much English, but we'd just say something and we'd just start pissing ourselves.

55:10Scott Carson:But Claudio was a little bit different. I think he'd probably felt a little bit hard done by because he'd signed by Pep when Joe Hart went and he didn't have the great first season, did he? And then stuff was happening with that. But then when the other lads come in, the group was just like, I just felt like if I trained as well as I could, then it would hopefully bring their level up. They could see me knowing I'm not going to play, but I'm still working my bollocks off and touch wood I was probably missed a week out of six seasons training so I just felt if I can do that and help the keepers that way and obviously when I'm training on a Sunday I haven't played obviously the day before and I'm never going to play that I can help the other lads as well because it's like when players don't play they're woke coming in in the morning and heads down yeah did you ever do any stuff when you saw like when you were talking about using your feet more did you do anything outside of training to develop that part of your game to be fair the goalkeeping coach used to who is it who's the goalie coach Shabby he's called he's he came in with he's been there for years yeah I've seen him with Pellegrini yeah yeah Richard Wright's like an assistant Richard Wright's like yeah and obviously he used to do stuff with me but I think I think the lads just they just knew like even in the five hours if the ball's getting passed back to Edison no one's charging him down yeah as soon as I get the ball they're like they're like wild dogs they're just on and I'm like you know can you just give us a break would you even be your five a side team from your time what a question you've got to be in goal so you're in goal so we know Edison was a genius and unbelievable you're in goal so you do a six a side so five players outside that you'd pick from your time at City?

57:13Scott Carson:I think I think I'd go Jao Cancelo I'd probably Did he find out when I'm manager? Yeah About what? Oh you don't know He was playing or He was just in He was just in a world of his own Was he really? Space cricket? Yeah To be fair He was a good player Top player He was a good guy as well but he just I think if he thought something was right he was right and then obviously as soon as they've had that thing with Pep and then Pep just went him because obviously in the 5-0 in the games I'd have walks all day long but in the 5-0 right foot left foot people watching this would not have expected that it's the last person I thought I thought you'd have gone walk straight in there obviously in the 11 a side games 100 % all day long but he he was like a he could play centre midfield he probably could play right wing but left foot right foot yeah

58:18Scott Carson:another defender trying to don't have to put defenders I think company John Stones no I wasn't there for company John Stones alright sorry I love John Stones I love John Stones yeah I don't yeah but no I think John 11 aside again I'd have him all day long Was he crapping five a side was he? No he just Couldn't be asked To be fair That was That was probably one thing I did leave When I left When I first went in as well We'd always do the To finish training on the Sunday Day after the game It'd be five a side Yeah So then I just started Right This is my appearance This is where I get my appearance money Yeah It's the Champions League Yeah So we used to call it And then everyone just started Going You're for the Champions League today I was like yeah and then it gets to like a couple of months into the season I'd be like I've got 93 % record in the Champions League it's just become a bit of a running joke but do you know even just turn it into that it just meant the ones who didn't play even when as soon as they come in that Sunday they were like he's the Champions League today and he just gives them my little bit of a day and he'd have that little team photo after him walking and you walk in and the ones who got beaten sat like

59:46Scott Carson:I'd probably put Ruben Diaz just because like unbelievable professional and in them like competitiveness he wanted to win literally anything if it was whatever it was he wanted to beast in it is he fit now? I think he's just coming back I think isn't he oh no he's out I think he might be out again do you reckon he'll get back in with them two I don't think so I don't think so and especially after last week when he named the same same team as well which that was a big surprise to me yeah it's rare for him and I think the big the big one obviously David Silva he's just what a unbelievable yeah he's like him him like him and Bernardo you look at them and you're like how can these two like how can these run games there not very quick not strength or anything but unbelievable they just know where to be yeah definitely them two and then obviously Kevin De Bruyne was when he was on it he just ridiculous I think even I think that was it the the four in the row season when was it Newcastle when he came on he'd been out injured yeah did he score two definitely scored one I think he scored one then he set the one up in the last minute didn't he and it's just he looks the other one he could be a little bit petulant yeah arguments yeah not even yeah I think I think he's one of them in his head as well he was never wrong yeah he's never wrong and he could he could throw his throw his dummy out as well sometimes

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1:04:25Scott Carson:Yeah, no, I had a brilliant time when I was there. And then obviously when I got the call to say I wasn't getting another contract, I spoke to, well, there was talk. I could have went to the Club World Cup, but obviously when you know you're not going to be there, I just felt a bit. How did you get released then? Was it just a phone call? Yeah. Was you wanting to carry on? Yeah, I thought, look, I was still training fine and still felt I was doing everything I was that first season. I was still trying to encourage the lads and training. I wasn't injured. And I thought, but obviously Cheeky was retiring.

1:05:02Scott Carson:The new Hugo Vianna came in. So there was that. The new Hugo Vianna, I've got to find out. There was, at the back of my mind, I thought, it could be time now. And then he's like, but we still want you to come to the Club World Cup. And I was like, I'm going to be leaving. And I was like, nah, I think it's going to be a bit too awkward. Some of my time as well, isn't it? and then obviously i spoke i spoke to them then pep rang me a week or two a week after that and he just said look i think obviously your age doesn't help the clubs changing a few things then at least it runs yeah that's good of him and he was like no but um when we get back from pre-season stuff i want you to come come back in and everyone everyone will see you and stuff but it's you you know how long you've been there yeah it's just remember when I went back to you I left you night when United at 12 I left at 30 I went back 37 coaching oh I didn't want to go in I felt sick yeah yeah I was sick a parts of outside the mind you said come on in do some of your coaching hours when you do your badges and I didn't start work straight away it took me it took me a year coaching like looking showing I was serious and then you get you get offered a job I felt sick going back in I was like a little school kid being nervous I didn't want to go in there I didn't want anyone I didn't want to be one of these old players that go back in there and say oh you remember me can I get I couldn't be any further away from where I needed to be you need to be in amongst it you need to be in amongst all but I just didn't like it it took me a good I reckon three or four months to feel comfortable in there and that wasn't down to the club that was down to me my personality so I get exactly where Scott's coming from I think it was to be fair since I've retired the club's been brilliant with me they've asked if I wanted to do like do some commentating on some games and stuff like that and I've been back a couple of times and I've been to America with them and done stuff like that so they've been brilliant but that first time I went back to the training ground I'm half thinking oh I hope there's no one about that yeah you just feel a bit like the only person I thought comfortable was Kath receptionist old Kath you go in and you've known her since she was lovely old she'll go and give you a hug and it's fine but I used to wait going anywhere near the first team especially if you look new people around I used to wait it I used to feel like I don't know I never felt comfortable even though you're a part of that club's history and the success they've had it's funny you feel that everyone has time and I think I never liked it when I was playing there I didn't like seeing loads of old people there going oh it's like you have your time we've all had our time at our clubs fantastic time that you've been there but you know it moves on and the next people come in and that's just life and it happens did you recognise like players when you said like Nico Riley were coming through and obviously whatever season he's having but did you see them and go he's going to be unbelievable I did and I didn't because there was there was other lads who obviously come through and gone and stuff like that like Morgan Rogers come through when he was training Cole Palmer obviously Cole he was getting quite a good look and you could see but like Morgan Rogers you're coming up and you're doing something against like some of the academy lads and you can see he's got something but you don't expect to go from there Some might surprise you sometimes Yeah they do I think Marcus Rashford was a little bit like that remember he got thrown in against Van Gaal someone got injured Van Gaal scored against Liverpool and back went over they just surprise you sometimes Yeah exactly That's it obviously I think like Morgan he went on a couple of loans didn't do nothing and then goes to Middlesbrough and then Villa buying for 20 million and it's like Yeah right place right time most of the time And is it right place, right time and the right club?

1:08:45Like he's at Villa now and you can see he just loves it though.

1:08:50Scott Carson:Yeah, he's probably a bit like how Jack was when he was there. I think when you're performing well and you're one of the better players. Big fish, small pond. You can see the chest out, but when you're in an environment like City or like Man United, how it was, you're getting signed even for 100 million you're still not the top dog so it's like the amount of talent that's set it's strange isn't it I said to you before then I watched the loan group play I started to say players for like 15-16 million he's 16 million he's from Belgium he's 14 million this is just a loan squad who can't get a game there's still another team to go and then the first team it's incredible the talent just to ask you a question only because you mentioned his name before and I saw little bits online about it talk of Rashford going back to United no it won't happen no do you want it to happen I don't think I think it would be wrong for Marcus for it to happen I think Marcus has made that break now and that's probably the toughest thing he had to do because I've done it to leave the club that you've been brought with and been there for that long that's the hardest thing is that initial break he went to Villa had a great little start cameo role there if you like for six, seven months was it and obviously Barcelona I think it started off well at Barcelona and for some reason he's not getting games now and I think he will go somewhere else it's just where I don't know who can afford He played you the night He scored you the night and Jamal's out for the rest of the season so I think at Barcelona he only ever will be back up I think to Rafinha and Jamal it's down to the lad does he want to go to maybe a Villa or that type of club where he is going to probably play every week it's probably down to him Marcus needs to play every week Championship you said something about a lad who needs to play every week someone yeah like Jack he needs to play every week Marcus and we both know him from a young age he needs to play every single week he needs confidence he needs an arm around him and then you'll have an unbelievable talent yeah when he's a bit part player and he's not playing every week and he's not feeling loved that's when he loses the love of football and he said that himself you know and it's sad because he's got such unbelievable talent unbelievable talent I think it's times don't it United yeah I don't see him so you look at him from the outside as well we used to watch him in some games and he'd look like he didn't try a leg but then every time he played City he was brilliant away from that City particularly at City on the counter on the counter where's that come from on the counter attack against City when United were brilliant away from home when Oli was in charge I remember thinking I fancy us at City but at home we just couldn't do it but the counter attack with Marcus particular but obviously sometimes you'd have a debate and dressing what what's rush but the England lads loved him yeah see my England went you know they said like the Tom these got but like I said when you're watching him sometimes but you see him not yeah not not running and stuff in your life as well as well as well as with that is some of his body language isn't isn't perfect and that you know that does count a lot specific fans looking at going don't he does give fuck obviously but all your language just a bit like yeah I think that's the one thing fans pick up on isn't it just a bit yeah even if you're not the best player but if you look like you're chasing every ball down and giving it everything you know they'll get behind you won't they just as a as a goalkeeper because I've had chats with these two and I use the word chats very loosely where we've disagreed on I'm saying when you're playing out during a game you can misplace a pass you can do something wrong you get on with game goalkeepers slightest mistake it's like news Luke he's got his head in his hands this is what they don't realise the pressures that are on there now when you see the other week I know he's not there now Igor bear with me at Spurs just looking at how you were at City he's brought that lad on in that game and subbed him off like pretty much straight away how as a goalkeeper are you coming back from that to be fair there's been there's been games where I've probably thought fuck I wish my manager would take me off get me off do you know do you know what it was the worst that was the worst thing like I said you build up all week for Saturday and you're like I just want a good clean game don't do anything special but you just don't want to fuck up either basically and then if you conceded a goal early that you should have saved it's just like basically just ruined your full week oh it's awful it's like so I bet I bet the lad in goal was half relieved to come off but with everything that goes with it I tell you what he's fought well back yeah he played well didn't he he played well he played well on Saturday I think it was I do think it's an easy position in the team though you've got 10 players you've got 10 players in front of you protecting you you've got 10 players in front of you always protect you though that's the right team don't know oh fucking hell the right team how will you react after last year Paddy do you think you'll be like once you get back in the goal I've got to say I can't wait can you not because neither can the rest of the world this is the thing right I said this with fucking Wayne at the photo shoot and he went I can't believe they're having you back I went I said do you want to go in against fucking Carlos Tevez who by the way no one told him he went to Champions League final because I think he's fought fucking hell we must win this I'm going whoa hang on a minute it was alright in goal though not in an 11 side game with Carlos Tevez absolutely on fire and as well what about the defenders in front no one talks about them letting him pass and not putting the challenges it's all the fucking goalkeepers got there's no fucking chance in those games who were you set to have that game Jags Jags who else was on I can't oh Celebrity I don't know if it was Oh Angry Ginge Oh of course Yeah He played well actually Yeah He was probably Fucking best defender During that game He was marking Tevez Wasn't he But it is It is You know One of them were And again You've bloody Been there and done it But It is It amaze me When you see a player Like Tevez With a ball at his feet And you go Oh fucking hell It's in there Like oh quickly that happens that wouldn't happen to him though would it no no but what I'm saying is like me as a non professional footballer I couldn't it was like I would win it was just like there you go have it back oh he's done it again like because when I've saved them in games from non no I fucking saved plenty from non I've saved pros as well it's like any sport though isn't it from amateur to professional it's different that's what I'm saying when I see the non-ex-pros kick it you can see you can have you can go you can see the ball but a lot of that Tevez fucking hell it was at his feet I'm going fuck me I didn't even see the ball it's like golf with a golf swing it's a sound as well isn't it it's unbelievable the best one for that was Aguero was it no back lift to be fair in training he didn't try a leg he'd just he'd just stand about and he'd just walk around Tevez was like that though was it yeah but as soon as the ball come to him he had no back lift he'd just be he'd be past you and you're like I don't know how they do it because they never train properly do they?

1:16:35Scott Carson:No they're not I can imagine you were I was like Tevez you just walk in like he'd just go out of bed he had his fucking hair everywhere yeah he did sometimes he just went online to bed he'd come in a couple of minutes before you had to be in he's training with his boots laces are all open yeah just walking around but then he'd still walk in it's gone three or four we're all in tents haven't got to train properly yeah exactly They don't give a fuck them, like. I remember Tevez once he came in, he said my daughter didn't sleep very well today, last night, I'm not training. Oh, the best one ever with that.

1:17:05The best one ever. Just went and lay on the bed and said, Rod, give me a massage, that's it. Didn't fucking go out. How does that go on with someone like Sir Alex? What does he say? I was going to say, the best one ever with that, and it's me out of Gorky was the best one ever with Bozzy, Mark Boznyk. Remember before all these bands come in and it tells you about all your heart. Yeah, so he got this gadget way back when obviously no one's heard of him so he's come in and he's gone I'm not training today we're all going oh what do you mean I'm not training today Gaffler my heart rate's not right he's gone he went your fucking weight's not right get out there and get training honestly he had to get to remember your weight's not right your weight's not fucking right he went absolutely mad Bozzi was the worst did you ever come across Bozzi no oh it's funny he used to come in this big fucking unbroiled bag remember like a kick bag with bands he had bands in it he had tennis balls in it he had all powders in it he was such a funny lad honestly the worst trainer I've ever seen in my life Sir Alex Ferguson and he's obviously intense everyone's getting training not training today this is saying my heart rate's not right I can't train he's fucking absolute and everyone's going like do you remember do you remember his first away game I can't remember what it was but when you go up for the buffet at the dinner oh yeah the gaff won't mad at him oh yeah Bozzy had a fucking clime like that yeah so I saw the gaff walk and I'm what the fuck are you eating that or climbing it

1:18:36but a character Bozzy wasn't it oh funny lad great lad right okay quick fire questions now Scott worst dressing room bollocking you ever witnessed I had to think

1:18:47Scott Carson:about this before but the only one that springs to mind was a blast from the past remember Julian George yeah we played with Julian in the 18s did you in the 18s he's the nicest guy ever wasn't he nicest man ever nicest guy ever and we had this friendly for Leeds and I think I was 18 playing and I was playing and something happened in the game I can't remember what it was and Sam remember Sam Ellis yeah culture yeah Sam Ellis coming absolutely went mental and Julian was just he was just sat there not saying anything and with a summary I don't even know why to this I would never do it Sam just can you leave him alone and I was like 18 oh you and he caught me in the bookies on the Friday the night before you can fuck off you get get back to bookies you think he should just get his mouth shut but like even to now if something like if it happened when I was 30 or 35 fire i'd have just kept quiet but i'm like why the fuck did i pipe up i think i just like he just take it he just sat there taking it i'm like it was the nicest guy ever julian it's like that old footage of uh is very fry we've seen that where he's in the fucking absolutely he's that close yeah you're going jesus christ the lad answers back don't he as well yeah i think that even that's all changed a bit now you you have to be careful with players can you because don't do they just sink, don't they?

1:20:16Scott Carson:Whereas now, there'll be a charge against them. Yeah, exactly. You've got to be careful. Most intense manager you've ever been under? Obviously Pep. Yeah, I think there's just even day to day, just watching him and even the game's finished, he's on his laptop, he's clipping stuff and I think he just lives and breathes for football. Is he a manager who gives it the full-on bollocking or does he do it differently? No, he'll have a go, players, but a lot of it's more constructive. When they do a debrief, he'll put some of the clips up and, look, you need to be here. So it's not as in, like, you haven't done it.

1:21:01Scott Carson:Nine times out of ten, they have given the effort and everything like that. It's just, I told you to be in this position. You wanted to be here. Look, if we were here, that's when the space is. It's more stuff like that, really. He almost starts that on the pitch. When you see him after games, you see him up to a player and even if they've won, they're walking off and he's started the pep talk. He does it a lot with opposition players as well, doesn't he? Yeah, he does have to... I don't even know why he... He does, he picks one opposition player and then he starts talking. I think I remember there was one against...

1:21:35Scott Carson:Redmond, I remember. Yeah, was it Redmond? Yeah. Yeah, Southampton. Yeah. Whenever he was playing Redmond. I think Redman come out and said, he said he was just telling me, yous aren't that type of players to, I can't remember if they were trying to play a long ball or somebody instead of playing football, he went, yous are better at doing this. You'd be saying get off my players, wouldn't you? Yeah, yeah. The dressing rooms you've been in, which player got the most fines?

1:22:08Scott Carson:I think I'd say Aguero. yeah he's late all the time yeah I think towards the back end before he left he was he was he was fine but I think he would he'd just he'd just come in late I think it was more not late into the training ground but when you had to be on the field that's 11 o 'clock he was always I can just see him now just just scrolling out boots are open and he just like yeah not bothered 500 quid I'll pay it it's funny that like you said he's probably got the most fines but when you see Pep talking about him I mean he has tears in his eyes you know because he loved him that much yeah I think he obviously he was a well he is a city legend isn't he for what he'd done for the club and I think even that the season that everyone knew he was leaving I think he came on his last game didn't he and scored two against what a player yeah no he's just but that's what I mean just he's a match player wasn't he a match day player wasn't he yeah but like we said before to us in England I always felt like to play well on a Saturday you had to train well South Americans are really laid back aren't they the ones we play with they're just so chilled out they're just like probably look at us and go you can imagine going for a drink after all South Americans go they're all lunatics running around like 100 mile an hour every day they must be knackered by the time they come to a game and they're just like that I think even I think like Spanish is like that as well because when I first went to Liverpool from Leeds I was used to like an hour training with the goalkeeping coach before you went with the team and I'd get there and he'd be like you're doing a walk with the players I'm like what?

1:23:47Yeah

1:23:49Scott Carson:like flicking heels and stuff yeah and then you'd go with the goalkeeping coach and you'd sit on your arse and he'd just be throwing balls like that and I'm like no I need to I need to and I was like oh no I can't get I can't get my head around this Gary Neville used to do quick feet about 45 minutes before the game started in the tunnels I'm not lying I'm not lying am I They used to look at us and go, and I was probably one of them scholars, we did really intense foot again. The foreign lads must look at us and go, these look crazy. I'd go and speak to the neediness and say, boss, I need to work harder.

1:24:24It's whatever you feel comfortable. I was going to say, it's what you need.

1:24:29Scott Carson:I need to work hard and they look at me and go, why do you need to work for half an hour? you might get one shot in a game but to get that one shot I need to save 100 and if you could revive any season throughout your career which one would you play again?

1:24:49Scott Carson:good question that do you know what there's been thinking over them there's been seasons that I've enjoyed I think the first season I played in the Premier League at Charlton it's good I got player of the season for Charlton and he went he went really well but I think it's probably one of the one of the seasons in Derby when I was at Derby right we obviously got like I said we got relegated with Wigan and he was a bit like alright is Macquarie going to go is he going to go here and then obviously I signed for Derby and who was the manager then? it was Paul Clement right Paul Clement Paul Clement then yeah then he got sacked and I think it was when obviously Steve McLaren came back in as well and obviously we had a bit of history from England didn't we so and I think it was either him or I think it was when Gary Rowett came in after Steve and Gary Rowett as well you know I just felt that season it was the best football I'd ever played so what was it then?

1:25:54Scott Carson:about 31 I think you said that's a peak age for keepers or back then or still a bit older yeah I think I think well I can say it was for me because I felt that season what age did you make your debut when did you start so obviously you scored past me on my debut didn't you with Leeds yeah yeah yeah I think I think I was never at Old Trafford like I've pulled one back and I've got a hand in it and you've smashed it in I smashed the rebound in yeah yeah yeah

1:26:26he's absolutely I love that love that hey Scott thanks very much for coming on pal it's been awesome thank you thanks Scott what a good night brilliant cheers that's it for today's The Good The Bad and The Football you can catch us on all your usual channels YouTube Spotify and Apple TV

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