Sean Dyche: The Truth About Nottingham Forest, Living With Roy Keane & Advice From Sir Alex!

25:51Nicky:Was you one of them managers, Sean, that kept tabs on the players for the summer? Because I was talking to Scorzi about it. We never ever got three weeks off. And you get a little dossier of what to do. I never did one thing in the summer. Never did one thing. And I went back to pre-season and I struggled for three days and you just get through it. But you see them now, and we were talking before, my lad and obviously your lad and other lads, they train through the summer and I think particularly mentally you just need to get away from football put your feet up yeah I mean I was advised even more recently like three weeks I always said three weeks do whatever you want eat crap reset your body almost eat crap get drunk do what you need to do not all players do that but you get what I mean they don't do it as much as they do no but they still do it they still do a version of it all it is is a trendier version we used to just go and have a go to a trendy booze they had a 12 pints they had a beer they had a kebab and tequila and soda water because it's low calorie you know what I mean or tequila like vodka and water with a squeeze that must be really enjoyable I mean we had a kind of kebab one handed on a malt pecking off you know where did it all go right that's what I was saying no so I think I think three weeks is enough to go right shut down I mean most you know it's like most young people they'll still have I don't know a game of golf or a game of paddle paddle paddle craze you know and then I think you tick over and there's a programme in place so I never really worried about that the lads because the lads once they got to know me and how I work they knew they had to come in I was watching I was listening to the thing with Keanu actually because me and Keanu lived together when we were kids at Forest and I know you know him and he used to be rubbish you know he used to go back to pre-season same with us same with us he used to love a pint of Guinness back then little Roger Mellie on him but his body sort of used to go boom within I don't know a week ten days and he'd just go bang he was in him British at the back all the time wasn't it it's like it's like something in his brain just went right come on then and he always admitted that he said oh no I'm rubbish him because he goes that's why he would just live his life when you come back a little bit overweight this is what pre-season for isn't it when I first started that was exactly what it was right the lads used to come back over the night in a game of tennis but as I got older you couldn't do it my mentality always was it's going to be hard anyway so you may as have a good summer and let it be a little bit harder and get through it and that's what was it the story of your generation though that did used to leak out so you know everyone was going like oh they're top players and all that but it was always like you know they're AVA's and that are like life or death style things you know what I mean like get roused not necessarily in tour yeah referee getting abused McFeely getting abused Randy Movers get absolutely abused yeah but now now it's almost like I mean you know what I'm renowned well not renowned but you know people go oh he makes us wear shin pads and I'm going like and they literally go oh I'd have to do it and I'm going what are you thinking of that good do you make your players wear shin pads in training I won't like that would you that means to be fair we needed them I was a little bit comfortable without shin pads my point wasn't about the shin pads my point was I was like training like proper I was going no no you wanted to make it like a game at Burnley when we were I say flying generally I'm not saying we were silky but I tell you what training was training was fucking proper you know you had two groups of players there having it right off respectfully but properly training and over the years I've found that harder to get by I must say the lads at everyone were good lads at Forest couldn't really get them to the point where I don't know there was too many resistors sounds like a bit of a struggle at Forest yeah it was too many resistors because you know people can say what you want about your old school but you've still got values how many games did you do at Forest 20 odd highest win rate weirdly of all the managers you'd ever had did you find it difficult right from the start with the players I'm not saying the job in general I just mean the players felt different right you know lads similar to yourself in the playing world on the pitch because of your great careers but for mine off the pitch as a manager I can I can access loads of information so before it went in I want my stuff I went right we're gonna hit these trouble these problems because it's so easy now when you've been in the game as long as I have to get information you know you can ring ex-managers ex-coaches you think coaches you know I used to call like the head of what with younger players I'd call the head of their their learning programs I got what they like in college that's how you really know yeah and that's when so i go to forest i'd already done loads of homework loads of it and you know kept me head to the ground spoke to a few agents spoke to players spoke to you know and it wasn't great news you know i mean i said to the lads my staff i went you've got to be ready for this because i said this is not going to be an easy run this yeah i mean did you do that after you took the job then no no no before before did you know what you're getting into yeah yeah but i started there and i never got the chance to wear the shirt you and it's true the story that i told them before his fun nobody a fan but it was you know in your first club yeah you're going you're going there to light it up you think yeah yeah you know you're young i can play for this yeah yeah exactly you go in there and you go right i'm going to get in the first yeah yeah and that was by the way you got about this as far as back then this is still there's nigel club yeah webby in midfield proper yeah desi super desi walker yeah unbelievable mark crossley coming through gary charles you know i mean super strong thing but you go in there maybe naively at six and you know I'm getting the seat confident cocky little shods aren't we yeah as you should be no I don't mind arrogance yeah you need a bit of that yeah absolutely so when it came around that I could go back and manage it I thought yeah so the answer was yeah but you still have to do your own work you still have to know what you're going into and it was tough I mean don't get me wrong I need to clear this up because it's important I do it every time because it's important to me for my own integrity the owner was alright you know because he gets a lot of flack and his son was alright it wasn't really that problem the players I couldn't get them to understand just the sheer work ethic if you want to be the best of the best now I've been the best of the best you guys have been I've been the best of the best but I know elite football because I've had 350 games in the Premier League you can't not learn about the Premier League when you've had that many games managing it it's nearly impossible and the other thing I always tell pundits they go they go you were lucky I went what lucky 351 times in the Premier League you can't be lucky you can be lucky for one season maybe two but you can't be lucky for 12 for 13.

32:00Well, yeah, you know what I mean. So I'm always, that's why I don't bother with all the this, that and the other, because I know my record, I know what I've done, I know what I can't do, I know my limitations, I'm all right with it. Looking forward, I know you're doing a lot of media stuff now. Do you think you're done with it? Is that finished? Well, you're saying at the beginning, it's not whether I'm done with it. I think it just have to be, you know, I went in maybe heart and sleeve at Fry's probably my fault a little bit, because I'm not normally like that, but like, as you can tell, emotion is not one of my strong points.

32:31So I was like, I was measured enough, but I thought maybe a bit green in the sense of too much love for it at the time, you know, to go and relive my youth in through a manager's eyes, you know. I don't regret it though. I don't regret it. No, no. I never regret my jobs. It's one hour you can say you were green a bit after 350 Premier League games. Well, no, green to, maybe that twist in, you've got to remember, Everton had a few more warrior type players, you know what I mean? and good players but you know like Youngie's mentality I mean he'd gone then but Tarky and Keno the re-emergence Keno because the fans would you say the more your type of players yeah but not really do you know the thing is what I don't like about that is people then go yeah because they're all like this and you go no no because you need well I didn't want to say that but from what you said I felt like you felt like that you didn't really have that type of player you wanted at Forest at the time no because you need you need a hardcore of some standard Premier League players I think who have been there seen and done it If you've got a few of them in team and you can add around there, you've got a chance.

33:30And don't forget at Forest at the time, we're just trying to turn it around and push the boat the other way. You know what I mean? It just lost it. It hadn't really gone the backwards in a way. It just stalled. It's just sitting in the middle of the ocean going, I don't know which way we're going to go. You know what I mean? So we just tried to give it a bit more direction and started with the basics, get them fitter, get them more organized, get them stronger, that sort of thing. So there was a bit of that. And I think I didn't have the inside. There was only a two or three who would really stand up, stalwart players who just get it done.

33:59Do you know what I mean? And you need more than that, I think, in the Premier League. Now it's time for Built Different, where we've discussed what makes world-class players or managers different from us mere mortals. Powered by our friends at midnight, the betting app that's Built Different. And while Sean's just nipped off for a quick pee, I thought I'd come in, lads, and keep you company with this one. We're talking managers now. Jurgen Klopp. Jürgen Norbert Klopp which I never knew

34:26Nicky:Norbert Norbert Nobby Nobby Styles Norbert Styles he can't have been named after Nobby Styles at the World Cup 66 is Norbert a German name it's a bit like McAllister at Argentina isn't it like where's that come from Norbert I have no idea I have to ask him Norbert right firstly what makes Klopp built different have you met him do you know something obviously the rivalry with Liverpool I love Jurgen Klopp I do I just think it's just you just look at me think he's looks like good companies but then he put then he's got that they can go kind of switch and he just he just one of them minds that you think I'd love to play for him I really love to play and when he come over it like endeared himself to Liverpool dinner yeah he went to the local pub for a pint yeah he was a German scouse owner he was yeah I'm all one of it he was one of them one yeah yeah Moby and yeah talking infectious attitude the way he spoke the way he smiled his interviews after games the way his team played football when the right manager comes in for the right club and it was made for each other that was it Liverpool do you think he'll ever go back no he's a manager of Germany would he ever go back do you reckon no I don't think so hypothetically he was meant to come to United as well wasn't he Klopp yeah was he before Liverpool oh tell me about that 2013 is the thought for it when did Fergie retire I don't know 13 so what happened I think well Sir Alex started again didn't he I think it was Woodward who said something to him about Disneyland I can't remember the exact thing welcome to Disneyland or something yeah that scared him off do you know what's brilliant about Klopp he's like you know one of the greatest managers to have been involved in the game but still still likes an excuse like a lot of managers do do you remember he once blamed the wind for a goal straw do you remember that no i remember i couldn't tell you what game is but i remember him saying that that's a bit like the fergus on it with the gray kits oh the gray kits was a classic was that because you all went back in and went oh no we didn't say it was that shit he much was thinking these lot can't see each other they can't be that bad get that kid and we come out and conceded two more games and the other kit we've had a bad day one at the office however however I will say you had a point because when you're a bit further away and you're like you're looking at Scholes you're 20-30 yards away from the back of the crowd it was a really weird you couldn't really see it is what I'm trying to say it's not an excuse but ultimately it was probably right you couldn't really see it Do you think great managers do that they'll say things like the wind and like the they couldn't see each other just to take a little bit off you lads Potentially because it's all I've lads are going to be about what the manager says.

37:17Nicky:But obviously deep down think that. They wouldn't want to show themselves up in front of the whole nation and after a game interview. So, yeah, it's a strange one. But Klopp, should have, would have, could have. He could have been a Man United manager. But even as good a manager as he is, even like I see them Trivago adverts, I'm like, does a good job, isn't them? Brilliant, isn't he? You're jealous of them. I'm jealous of them. Jealous of his teeth. are they his own then or has he gone for the old turkey job you've never seen his teeth before that have a look at old interviews he's a smoker as well do you know what else he's had done they are he's had a transplant do you get a number he's had a fucking belter he's got the filthy thing going on do you know he's had I know a lot about people who've had her transplants I am heavily invested you call him floppy cloppy did you know that floppy cloppy shut up floppy cloppy I'll put it over after his hair fucking that's just you you and your mates it's you give me the idea you and Dad and Thumper fucking Thumper Wazza Bingo and Jenga that was Built Different Powered by Midnight Built for now not like the old school book it's quick to use simple to navigate with no messing about and please remember you've got to be 18 or older and do gamble responsibly Festival's times around, we know you're a music fan.

38:47Nicky:Have you got anything planned? Have you got any festivals? He's a massive music fan. Yeah, he's going to name his best three bands in a bit. Have you got anything in the pipeline? Glaston? Glaston is next year. Yeah, I'm booked to Glaston. No, it's a nightmare this year. Break's dead every four years. I used to hit a car in the traffic of Glaston, but it's a fucking nightmare. Unless you used to play a netball tournament, right? Somerset. Somerset, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a fucking nightmare. No, it's hard going on now. I can't think of anything worse. Favourite bands, Sean, give us three.

39:13oh three because I know they're big football fans but I know them personally so I'm probably going to sway towards them but I do think they're great yeah there's so many I mean is there all that rock music stuff you like no no no rock music grandad over there Stuart Peirce is into all that stuff I go to gigs with Peirce I do go to gigs he started me off when I was a kid we used to have the gig buses he used to go to Forest and so he got first of a gig with Spirit Destiny they're still playing they're playing at the rescue rooms I think they've played actually in nottingham and i saw them in rock city spirit of destiny that's my first ever yeah i'm really old school but they were good back in the back in the late 80s early 90s really quite sort of footballery undercurrent band you know what i mean um quite an undercurrent following and then over the years but is i got it i'll tell you lads it's not well more for you because you're not into it it's actually the gigs right so i'm not i don't know every word i don't know every album i don't every group, I prefer the gigs, the atmosphere at gigs, yeah, the environment, the feel, the atmosphere, the people are different.

40:14I mean, you do get a lot of football, you know, if you go and watch Oasis, which I did their first gig at Cardiff, you do get a lot of football people. And then you get to know some of them. And then you get to know the managers and you get to know the bands. Like I know Noel a little bit, you know, which is great. I know Justin Young from the, I saw the vaccines on Saturday, me and my big mate, Alec Chamberlain. I know Justin Young, the lead singer. I know the band now, they're brilliant. You know, I know Serge. And it makes it more personal, you know, and then you feel like - I know the lead out of Cortina's.

40:38Liam. He was on the radio with me the other day, Liam. I like lad Liam. They're really good. I saw them live. A couple of the other lads live in Holdham as well. Yeah, really good. I know the Blossoms lads. I was in their video. They're stockpile, aren't they, Blossoms? Yeah, great lads, you know. And I'm amusing, mate. Don't worry about my issue. It sounds like you're all right, yeah. Fucking hell, yeah. No, but they're on the radio. I'm doing Talksport Friday, and they're on Virgin. So I'm going to, hopefully, I'm going to cross over. Liam is? No, no, Blossoms. Lee was on last week he'd come on the show so I said to him yeah yeah he actually played for his son's 18th birthday oh brilliant they're really good and he gave him a signed guitar because Aaron loves it oh brilliant so I love the gigs that's the thing I love the feeling I've been tram lines I was out last year they're playing again this year I think it's tram lines I'm in Scotland and tell me their gigs are brilliant up there I nearly went my son went to the Foo Fighters at Anfield I couldn't make it because I was on the radio next day I got my son tickets A couple of people always shout out, they hate it when I do, but Simon Rand lives in Lim or somewhere in Manchester, I can't remember.

41:35Who's that, Simon? Simon Rand, he's SJM. He's got the rugby club. South Shark? No, Warrington. Warrington Wolves. And what's it?

41:45Nicky:Sam Burgess. Right. No, he's a promoter. Oh, promoter, okay. Great, super, honestly, these guys are so, they're so generous. Melbourne, Ben, who's got Festival Republic. And once you meet all them guys, you know your sales rights I'm not being big time but I don't blend well so they tend to look after you you know you get a nice bit you know you get a few drinks everyone likes a little spot don't they on their own I do believe Glastonbury's brilliant you know in those big Winnie Bago things I know that's what I say that's fantastic I mean they're lumpy I mean they don't come cheap I went to Glastonbury went down the stage twice in a weekend just sat on the camp just looking down it was unbelievable brilliant how much would that cost for a week I don't know it's it's expensive no no I think one of the camps is something like that Camp Corrella I got told I got told a story it might be folklore I got told a story that Wayne Rooney we both know I don't know him like you guys a tiny bit he went down there and I got told that one of the camps I'm going to throw out this is a maybe so I'll probably get in trouble I think it was Camp Corrella was so expensive that even he went nah because he had the whole gang with him and he just went I got taken there I think it cost me anything and I found out it's about 58 that was like 10, 12, 15 years ago not like me it's like a bastard it was on when I was there so I wasn't and I like music but I don't like people like that do you know what I mean so I don't know about festival does it no it's clickbait no it's clickbait no it's not if someone picked me up and put me in every single concert or every football game I'd go to earth but I hate the fucking getting there you were saying before about the traffic it's a nightmare when I went it was Jay-Z did Wonderwall on the guitar I'll never forget it and Dolly Parton was on as well so little things like that at Glastonbury was different.

43:29Nicky:My favourite Glastonbury memory is never to do the music, right? So we go in this, there's like in the VIP area because our Whittybog's right close to it, right in the middle. There was this restaurant so we booked it every morning. There's a restaurant in Glastonbury? Yeah, probably. It was the first year, it was two years ago. When you get in there, it's unbelievable. Yeah, it's great. I just thought it was like full of shit and tassel. No, no, this is a different IP, darling. Sorry, sorry. So now, right, so we're in this restaurant and we booked out every morning for half nine me and my mates who were with me for breakfast so the last day on the way in yeah you go last day all right yeah on the way in yeah first day we get there so we're in there thursday night while it's a bit quiet to get in yeah and then leave on sunday before the main act finish yeah so we get out of dodge yeah so we're going there sunday morning about 9 30 10 o 'clock we start bevying we're having bloody marys then we then the champagne comes out so now we've got people just coming in and out who we'd met like you know You don't strike me as bloody maras and champagne.

44:21I thought you were a pint of Guinness. Hang on, on day four. On day four, yeah. Day four is a good point. A little start. Anything but a pint on day four. Oh, the story's going to grow quickly from here. So anyway, so people keep coming in and out. I mean, just people we bumped into. Like, you know, like Mel C was there. Rick Astley's a brilliant fella. Rick Astley, you know. He spent a bit of time with us. I forgot his name now, the lad from Bastille, the lead to the film from Bastille. But, no, this is brilliant, lads. I think you'll like this. So we haven't left yet. So it's now two o 'clock in the afternoon.

44:53From half now. Right, so it gets to three. We've now got the Lady Kate who served us breakfast. She's now sitting with us. We've got the pot wash. That always happens. We've got the pot wash. The Lady who's the pot wash. She's sitting with us. There's always famous people. John Bishers popped over. And it was the maddest afternoon, right? And all these famous people coming in and out, in and out. We finally got out there about half seven in the evening because I had a drive to come and picks up. and on the way out this is sounds mad but you'll have done it in your time you know you think I think there's a country I think we should have a pint and my mates are like really?

45:26Nicky:I think it's a good idea at the time it was the best afternoon Rick Astley come on the radio show with me and Johnny and he told me he went what an afternoon it was so fun that just reminded me he's a great fella and he's a lovely wife brilliant brilliant company my kids were watching one of them programmes that celebs go dating or something oh do you know what did you come on one? No, please give me the chance to tell us. I hope this gets part of our show because I got battered over this, right? What it was, I was out with the Millwall lads in London. We got a big WhatsApp at Millwall. I played at Millwall.

45:57We had quite a successful group at that time and some good players, really good young players. And we all keep in touch on a WhatsApp group. So we had this meetup. There was only about eight of us could make it. We met at a nice drink at my mate's place in London on Southbank. So we go along to this restaurant. I walk in and there's this production team. So I can't see anyone who's there. So the producer comes over and says, Sean, do you mind doing some of the celebrity guys dating? And I said, I'm not dating anyone. He went, no, no, no, just as like a funny thing, like a walk-up. So I do stuff for charity that I know you guys do.

46:28And I just keep it under the radar. So I said, how much will you give me? And it wasn't a lot. It was like 250 quid. And I said, double it and give it to Kidney Research, right? And I said, I'll do it. And so anyway, I said, I'll double what you pay. So anyway, say it was a grand or whatever. So we're off cut. I walk in, don't know Kerry. I must say, she gets a bit of stick, she was lovely. Yeah, but she was lovely. So I must say that, because it's not fair. She gets a bit of stick, but she was fine. Walked in. Hey, Kerry, but they said, you've got to make it look like you know her, because if not, it looks weird.

46:55So you obviously didn't know her? No. So, I mean, I quickly said hello before. So I just walk in and go, hey, Kerry, how are you going? You know, nice to meet you, mate. You know, you've got your hands full there or some funny little thing. Walk off, little cameo. Oh, my goodness. Press guys getting a hold of me. Family members getting a hold of me. Why are you doing that? Why are you doing this? I went, did anyone think to ask me a more normal question of why? You know, they're angling. Why are you doing it? I go, why not? Just go, what did you do? I go, I did it for charity. They go, all right.

47:22Was it that bad anyway? It was crazy. No, no. That was a point. You know, right. So what they clicked by was I was on it, on the show. All right. Not just Walt Tom. Yeah. So they thought you were actually participating. No, they thought I was on Celebrity Ghost Day, like dating something. I was like, come on. I remember that show. I remember that show. I forget what was going on there. But yeah. I thought you just, like you've just said, you're just in a pub. That's the downside of social media, because it grows wings. They presume something's happening. Once it's out there, it was so hard to retrace it back, because I wasn't going to do an interview.

47:56I know, I know, it's just a nothing story. But we've still got to answer to it. As if you have to trace it back. No, but like you're saying, you feel like, hang on, because, you know, you remember Dan and I going, someone sent me this thing, you want to let me go you don't know I was just there just did it you know a meaningful goodwill gesture ends up kicking you in the rear you know and I was like going back to who is your favourite band have you got a favourite I think because I know him personally he's Kasabian I love their music but I do know I know their family and all that so that's a different thing when I was younger they're football fans yeah Serge used to play he scored that brilliant goal he scored that brilliant goal when he chipped to Seaman his dad his dad actually who did it Rich he's a Leicester mad Leicester fan of course his dad just coached at Leicester and Forest and Tony Locko he knew his dad and originally I got sacked at Watford when I met him and I said look there's a staff night can you get hold of Serge's dad and get some tickets for Brixton Academy it was the last time I ever went in the mosh pit

49:00Nicky:yeah because then it was no I wasn't big enough for anyone to bother with because he got sacked at Watford right at the stage where he bounced like in Edinburgh that student bar was in the middle I had that golf trip I'll tell you that I'll tell you that on another episode you know like bouncing at the front in amongst it I used to love that tell you a story about that tell you a story about this we went up to Scotland I don't think it's true it's a true story about Scotland you're saying it I know it's not fucking true it's true it's true let's decide it was me, him gigs and a few of our mates we're playing at what was my place called Archfield so we said let's get to Edinburgh for a night out of school to Edinburgh end up in a student band we're like right we're just going to go in this little bar here nice quiet drink and literally not going to go down into there yeah 20 minutes 20 minutes now later you see all these camera phones coming on the lights all around i'm going to go i was up going what's that it's going in gigs in the middle of the mosh bit like i'll get him video of the cameras like that he's like and next minute comes back up that is a true story

50:02not about gig or anything but similar little quake story from uh burnley we took the lads to the Old Course Hotel in Scotland beautiful one of the best hotels I've ever had unbelievable took the team there and you know that one when football was mowed about everything not one complaint that's how good it was the service and everything so the last night we sent them out and I was thinking it's going to be dead which it was but the staff will go out we have a good drink the lads most of them were like getting text messages on the group so I got them well with that group and they were really trustworthy you know what I mean so we'd always have a curfew but then I'd go right we're all together everyone's in but now we have a drink but it's controllable that rather than letting them go big student place on that yeah that's right yeah but it was dead quite they couldn't find anywhere so we get back to hotel so there was trips I think Ingsie Vokesy Scotty Harfield there's about six of the players so I said Gafford you want to forget a few chairs Scott he's gonna get his guitar I said no we're sitting in the old course bar looking at the wall standing about midnight dead no one there at all right I swear lads could believe this trip trips tells his story because it was the funniest night ever only downstairs there was 150 and we all convention and they all came up into the bar because of the music and it was all off we got to about five in the morning so the next morning jason shackler was captain he goes gaffrey said um trip said he had one of the best nights of his life i know they were all in bed don't buy all the older lads were gutted you know i mean and we had some night oh it's good when players do like i think when player gets a guitar i'll be surprised

51:29Nicky:I did that talking about Liam from the Cortina's. Michael Carrick had a golf day at Pressbury. So after the golf day, it was a nice day. It was about three years ago. I'm on the decking outside the golf club. Everyone's thinking, I have two beers, two shandies, get yourself home. Liam gets a guitar. Oh, brilliant. It was a sing-along for four hours. It was one of the best. Oh, that's awesome. Off the cuff, it was absolutely unbelievable. Really good. I remember, like, there's some of my fondest memories of the bands. you go in like Serge particularly go in the dressing room not in a motor point they played he just literally plugged his phone in that was it party's on that's it not his home like you know Donna Summer I feel all that playing and everyone's just having it off brilliant man Gaz learnt to play guitar doesn't he he's really good at guitar he's good though it's good took him a while he would though wouldn't he was he busying around did he tell the guitar teacher how to teach him how to play the guitar nobody can tell him what to do that's not a G that's not a G Nobody tells him what to do.

52:27Nicky:We've got some questions from the fans here. Now Jack's going to read out for us. Jack, it says, do you want me to do that? I can read. It's not the size. Jack, it says Jack to read the questions. Bring it on, Jack. Bring it on. Do your worst or your best, whatever it is. First one for Sean. What's the weirdest punishment you ever gave a player? Well, we had a spin wheel for fines. And on that, it used to be money, but there used to be loads of mad stuff. And the Burnley lads were very game. I did try it at other clubs, and we did use other clubs, but a lot of them were like, nah, the ego got in the way.

52:57So a player who I've never said his name, but did a lap dance on another player. So you had to spin the wheel and the number that came out, you're fine was to do a lap dance. The first thing would be what you had to do on this wheel. So that was a lap dance. And the second spin would be the number, the squad number. So everyone's sitting there cringing going, oh no. And I'm not kidding. It was the best lap dance. I nearly popped wood. It was that good. I was like, it was so funny. the lads were absolutely crying I wouldn't know what he looked like to be fair no of course not I wouldn't I mean someone told me no I can't name names it's unfair to that person that was probably the worst as in awkward and the funniest but we used to have dressed up in Elvis costume we used to sit in the river buy your mate dinner sit in the river

53:48Nicky:we got the kit painted on us by boot polish I had to run around the cliff naked. Remember? Put your favourite player on the back. You know what? I read some of your stories about going in the dryer. So when I was at Forest, I was a lad called Colin Dunney, a first-year apprentice. Oh, my goodness, right. We boot polished him, Vaseline'd him, rowjects'd him, and put him in, you know the white tape? Wrapped him in the tape and put him in the middle of the Forest pitch and said, you've got to get from the middle to the outside. and we got caught and Liam O 'Kane as the coach's time he made us do 60 seconds he just kept running us oh my god it was yeah it was conning down stuff like you get away with murder unbelievable ridiculous I mean now there'd be lawsuits and all that we'd be in jail but it was only everyone knew what it was do you know what it was just and you're talking and you're talking nearly about being brought out your comfort zone being brought out your comfort zone and that's what that was and then you was fine with the resilience that I loved you Yeah, yeah, yeah.

54:50Yeah, that was worse from when I was a kid, that's sure. Luckily, it didn't happen to me. This one's for all of you. Which current Premier League midfielder would you least like to face? Oh, it's better for these lads than me. I weren't in there, Lee. At least like to face.

55:08Nicky:Bernardo Silva. Because he never stopped from... Just little... Yeah, yeah. Nimble. Can't get a chance to... He just moves too easy. Lads, someone I can see and hit. no one no one yeah what's yours Rodri I think oh yeah yeah it's like buskets and all that it's got wing mirrors yeah yeah I think they're bad they can also I better me with their prowess in midfield that's for sure this one's for all of you as well what's your favorite daytime TV shows impossible for me impossible I've got no interest in TV The Chase I watch I literally it's the evening time innit 5 o 'clock I literally I watch documentaries box sets that's all I do sport but the idea you know I can't I can't get my head around you know like reality everything I just don't get it no my kids watch it all the time I know I don't get it I love honestly Love Island Love Island I did watch one season of Love Island if Love Island was in the garden I'd draw the curtains you know what I mean I just couldn't.

56:15I just can't face it.

56:16Nicky:I never watched TV as in ITV. I watched, like you say, Box X or Netflix or Prime Prime. Documentaries. It would be a box set for me. I wouldn't be watching any daytime TV. What? That's not daytime looking. That's like Loose Women's at dinner time. I thought it was like 12 o 'clock in the night. I thought that was one of them clubs that you frequent. This one's for Sean. When Fergie was mentoring you, what's the best advice he gave you? Oh, that's a good question. he wasn't he wasn't uh just to be clear it was more of a social thing when i come up when i've got yeah yeah yeah so not really mentoring because that that up pretty supposed like he's ringing me all the time but he was always there and it started very quickly it started from i went to a charity i just got the burnley job went to a charity do and to be fair to his credit you know how big he was and all that he just comes straight over this is who i am yeah i love that he went he was a little Alex so was it sir yeah might have been Alex or Alex yeah so Alex he said sorry and uh and he gave me his number and I just I didn't know him I knew him a tiny bit through Malky McHugh's dad played with his dad and all that yeah Malky's dad played with Alex so anyway give me his number he said come and have a cup of tea but he did give me a brilliant bit of advice when we when we were um we were pushing for promotion the first time at Burnley and we got to about March I remember I was walking me little and Max in his buggy and I was in the park and he was playing my mind of how can I keep this going so I was fearful that it's just gonna hit the wall yeah so I rang him and I said down what do you think and he give me a brilliant advice he said tell everyone how fit you are now strong you are I know you're gonna be relentless this season because he said I said that about my new and he said I have no foundation when I first said it I just put it out there and he said and just belief yeah he said keep saying it and saying it and saying it and saying I said everything they keep sad about see he's keeping up to date you know all they do they run and they get the ball forward he said keep telling me yeah that's exactly what you do yeah because he said that means they're already worried about they keep referencing that means they're worried about it yeah so in the end i was just getting the opposition manager because that was when brandon was coming in you know it's going you can't play the right way and i was just putting the words on the board and going there you go lads that's it yeah right there and we just kept going bang bang bang and just kept winning and winning it made their manager think about that this one's for all of you obviously Sean there was a rumour a few years ago that you eat worms what's the strangest rumour you've ever heard about yourself what you mean apart from that I smoke exhaust pipes I eat gravel for breakfast gravel yeah that was what it could you buy the worm thing was actually a fella called Soren Anderson and it's typical I suppose the Danish players I play with had no banter and what it was in training I used to do this thing when I was messing around so these turn around I get worm and then I get off my mouth and then I go as if I was eating it

59:05oh trust me I've got way worse like this

59:13no sorry Anderson this guy sorry Anderson good place play for Denmark and all that send a Ford time for Bristol see so I was messing around doing that and he did this interview only a few years ago saying I know how he got his voice but he didn't get the dry bunter of it so he sort of told it and then people were going that's the thing we're on about

59:31Nicky:I'm going why am I defending something as if you know when you think about Russia and someone goes yeah he just sits there eating worms I mean it's ridiculous and yet people suddenly ask you questions as if you do sit there eating worms and you find yourself explaining yourself it's crazy and all it was you know what I mean you hang out on your lip but you chew as if you're chewing it but you're not chewing it it's just like wriggling around yeah i'll keep a worm i see someone do that i see someone pick a worm i see someone do the goldfish it's waggling like that and it goes like that and when it puts it back out and it puts it back in the yeah ball and swims off yeah i don't do that one but i've seen that no you know like i used to fish when i was a kid so you put maggots in your lips to warm up and then put them on the look and throw it in disgusting i can't do that no no but when i was a kid when you kids don't worry about any of that do you i don't find it i would i have you bud yeah mine's uh mine's from ketrin mate that's like dinner i'm a city fan and i've got city tattoos on my arms fucking ridiculous and it was in the paper and i've got a short sleeve shirt on playing for united yeah it's just absolutely they were actually asking people yeah my mates asked me but he got a city it's because where i'm from is a big city place like lots of i don't know so much about rumors but i was looking through um tick tock last night i'm not on tick tock i just like to scroll through from them when you're bored a little bit and I was dead and obviously watching this show rest in peace it was like half a picture of me saying rest in peace and then a fella talking about it really?

1:00:53that's unbelievable that's weird that's a bit creepy weird fuck the hell there's a rumour that I suppose that and Dateables thing as well to be fair that was a weird one I actually had to answer that seriously in my own private life I was going what are you talking about? have you all lost your mind? do you know what I mean? what are you doing on that what was she like I know I was like goodness me you still seeing her yeah how was it going texting speed texting honestly I was going whatever I was going bloody hell who's the worst player in training Brian McClare Brian McClare you wouldn't remember mine oh you might do Hyde Alguysson Centreford yeah of course Fulham tough boy Fulham oh of course yeah I was with him at Watford decent player I remember I couldn't agree more.

1:01:41Small, but hard as now. Tough as. Finland, Finnish or something. No, Iceland. In training. It was like, if you got Ida, you know that woman, you go, oh, we've lost. You just go, we've lost, that's it. Timmy Cahill was the best. Was he? If you get him on your team, when I was at Mill, you go, we're winning today. But Ida, if you get him on your team, we go, we might as well, we just shout to the manager, Ray Lewin, and we just go, gaffer, you might as well cancel it. So we got Ida, what's the point?

1:02:05Nicky:You know what I mean? Brian McLear was an unbelievable player. and training just to walk around and all he wants to do is kick the ball at your head. And I'm not exaggerating. I'm sure Red was, did you comment on this or did you do that on the show? Because I read about this. And I'm not exaggerating. And yeah, he looked when he played like he was a worker, like he ran around, a busy around and all. Totally different. A game came, he was ready. It was unbelievable. He just fucked about training. Just laugh at him and let him go and he'd be half following people's heads and you're thinking, what the fuck?

1:02:30Nicky:Yeah, what you do. Yeah, I know you're taking it serious. Did no one ever, because that can, by the way, I had this all of them lads right and only happened a couple of times I'd never go with players never right and someone kicked one and it fucking hit me in the head he used to fucking do that I went absolutely radio rental yeah it's horrible and I just definitely I was like who was fucking that and I was found out that's like the he's just practising his passing show Harry Rednap interview and he gets in oh yeah that was brilliant that was brilliant I remember Chucky once doing set pieces we were doing them at the cliff doing corners he was the front man you know to head it away yeah so the bottom obviously the box is packed i think simon damon do you remember simon yeah do you yeah simon david was still behind choccy so he's just about to head it away it's like a low ball dead eye he goes back to it just ducks and he had it in the face choccy pissing himself as much as um shaker's face is all his nose is he just about yeah oh i hate that people kicking balls into crowds every issue on that i'm going off yeah i'm like that's my only semtex moment i'm sure I'm sure it's one of those kicks I told the brothers when I was at doing my school they used to come and whack me on the back of the head like that even when I just did that it drives me mad that's the worst thing well I can't for you do that didn't I fucking down the bus fucking snap fucking dick final question Nicky revealed his biggest fear on the show recently what's yours Sean haven't really got any obvious you know like not like scared of heights and all that you know if you think I prefer to not be hanging off somewhere high, but I mean, I'm not scared of it.

1:04:04I really got, not really this, but I suppose, you know, like if you, like, you know in a house, I had a decent house when I was in Northampton, a decent size house. You know when everyone's out and they're all staying away and you're suddenly in your house on your own? Don't like it. No, I don't like that. I always feel a bit like, why, where is everyone? I'm not giving it the big one, but you know, it's big enough that if someone went in that end of the house, you ain't hearing it. And I didn't used to like that, actually and I still don't I don't I feel weird about stuff like that because I should have gone in the wing of the house where the other people were

1:04:38I can assure you that I quite like being on my own at home no no I like being on me but it's a bit when you go to sleep I like I like to know that I'm absolutely right watertight safe you know I mean I'm done when I go to Kipper me I love that oh yeah but I'm not really scared of it but it always makes you go scared of burglars and stuff to me yeah you know okay yeah you know during the night. You know, the big noise in the night. You go, what the fuck? I don't like that. I've done that a few times when you get the old fucking fast heartbeat. Yeah, I get that. No, so yeah, but I'm not scared of it, but I don't like, you know, I wouldn't, well, let's put it as well, I like it when all the locks on the alarms are.

1:05:11That's where that way, you know what I mean?

1:05:13Nicky:Right, that's us. Sean, thanks very much. Cheers, mate. Top man. Thanks very much. Brilliant. Brilliant. Amazing insight to your brilliant career, so thanks for that. Top man. Cheers, lads. that's all for this week's episode of the good the bad and the football powered by midnight the betting app that's built different