Shay Given on almost SIGNING for Man Utd, his NEAR-FATAL injury and when Scholesy FOUGHT with Sir Alex

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2:36Oh, here we go. Something to do with bees, isn't it? Wasn't ready for this latter. It's a question, aren't it? No, no, go on. How's it made? Yeah, we know bees, but how? How does a bee make honey? Now this might, if you're listening or watching this, this might put you off, honey, so I do apologise. It's vomit, isn't it? He's got it. He's got it.

2:57Nicky:I mean, that's just kill you, aren't it? Hey, but I tell you what, he wouldn't have known that unless I said, I'm not giving you a clue. Did you know it? I knew it. No, it's from back here. It's fruit and drink. It's got a soul. What it does is drink. You see a lovely bumblebee. Bumblebee goes to a flower, gets the pollen, and when it's flying back with the pollen, it puts it in its mouth, chews it up, swallows it, gets to the beehive, spews it up into the mouth of a wooker bee. the wakabee swallows a spew it's still about honey here it goes into the thing then spews it up twice that's your honey and we all put it all over our stung oh that's lovely I know I know not me sick David Beckham actually makes it doesn't he he's got his own does he he's got his own B-I-V and all that stuff I bet he doesn't know that D-B is it called D-B he won't know that I had a slice of toast of honey this morning keep trying Riff he might get me out one of these oh no Bex is probably using the honeycomb to make candles for his room candles for his room do you know what amazes me about when you're a goalkeeper and this is where I had a newfound respect when I started doing it if these lads score a goal everyone's banging on about it all week you pull off a save to keep your team in the game you get a bit of a well done that's it forgotten about it's a nice height for the goalkeeper no keepers have stopped doing that keepers have stopped celebrating on the show well yeah if you make a worldy like it's it's okay i think deep down but when you when you're in a squad and you play with i was looking to play with shay for a good few years at newcastle and obviously had great keepers at united when you're in a squad and you know you got a good goalkeeper it's the most best feeling in the planet we saw with shay or with schmeichel or any top keeper when they're going through one-on-one it's very rare you think they're going to save this but with him and particularly with Pete I always felt they're not going to score obviously most times they did because it's really difficult 1v1 going through a top class forward or a midfielder but when you've got someone behind you that's dominant and can pull off saves like these lads can do it gives you the freedom to go and play football and think well I'm a midfielder my position was a defensive midfielder stopping people scoring goals if you like but I knew if someone went past me didn't always work that was a joke I knew if people went past me they didn't got the defenders but if they went past the defender he's still got an unbelievable goalkeeper in goal and yeah I think the goalkeeper's body for me is the calmness if you're walking out you guys are walking out and you know like for example Peter Schmeichel's behind you it's like today I don't know if they worry about that position but if you've got someone who's like a 3 out of 10 one week and an 8 or 9 the next week you're going what's this guy going to bring to the group this week you know so did you did that work the other way around when you'd go out if you're kind of key defenders if you like who were always in front of you your reliables if one were injured or a couple were injured did you always go out there and think it's going to be hard work today I think ideally you want a consistent backline and of course the defensive midfielder is really important in front of that but you're just sort of I think as a goalkeeper you're just testing yourself against the opposition as much as anything you'd like to settle back for wouldn't you do you know with that Shay obviously when we played in midfield you go up against you're playing you're thinking I've got to know who do you look at the obvious question is the answer is the centre forward but if you've got to let a player go in the box late like scores you would do or the lamp I would do who would be your focus on don't remind me of your school coming into the box later we'll get on to the attrick later I don't think he's ever saved one of my shots oh I see him one on the way out once I think oh famous thing isn't it is a keeper's union a keeper's club and I always see it when you're all together you know the four or five of you nowadays is even more with the warm up keepers and what have you but when you're in that environment obviously you was always predominant number one if ever you get dropped from that environment do you think selfishly I hope you have a shitter today no seriously it's a serious question because we talk about it he's one of my best mates and like we obviously we went to and fro with his positions and he was playing for me and vice versa I would think I want us to win today but I don't particularly want Scorset to play brilliant because he's taking my did you ever think that or is it something like a total different mindset you're talking about mindsets from goalkeepers well it's difficult because you know the position is a difficult position but you don't want him to have a worldie because you know next week you're going to be sitting on the bench you know do you know what I mean but at the same time you're playing for the club you want the club to win and all that kind of stuff so it's not a just throw one in just throw in we had a funny one remember Steve Harper obviously in Newcastle so obviously we were one and two for a good few years and if a trialist or something would come to the football club me and Harper would have a chat before and he goes right then just sort this guy so we'd be like we'd be bending it you know like normally the keepers normally the keepers you've been there like warming up just nice we're latched on high low I think I actually broke I think I broke someone's wrist once and then the goal coach Terry Gann or whatever I have to go gee it wasn't great him was he wasn't up not sure about him we've seen another one off was he always a keeper sure no I was actually centre forward when I was a kid I was a top goal scorer from my school so people say every goalkeeper is a frustrated striker trying to get out my dad was a goalkeeper so I don't know what his metaphor was like it's a really specialised position and there's only one goalkeeper so I think if you really sort of specialise in that position you've got a chance of doing something and from the north west of Ireland and Donegal from the country to watch the Premier League was just amazing but to say they think you'd play there I think it was a big long shot it's more like a dreaming advert to come to even get spotted to be honest so yeah just my dad must have seen something in me as a goalkeeper more than a centre forward perhaps You was at a club sorry about that you was at a club in Ireland and you went to Celtic but you didn't actually play for Celtic No I was on the bench a few times I didn't play left when I was 18 But I was training with these guys You won't remember this will you I was on trial at Man United as a kid Really?

8:51At the cliff yeah I didn't remember it then but I remember it now As an outfield player? No as a goalkeeper Oh right I thought you were still So Sir Alex brought me over And I came down to the charge between Celtic and Man United And I chose Celtic because of Peter Schmeichel As you mentioned before And then Paki Bonner was coming to the end if he's grey. But I remember training the cliff with these guys and I remember someone pointing him out, Scolzi actually. What age are you, 51? 51, yeah. So I'm 50 in a few months. Send the presents to you, the podcast and all that. But when I went to the cliff, you know when you walked into the cliff, the training ground and all the balls were lined out on the left and I was sort of standing in the reception waiting for someone to bring me through or something.

9:29And Peter Schmeichel's going past and all these guys. And then somebody pointed out him and he goes, he's unreal this guy, when he see him play football he was only like don't you stand up he's small and looked like him I was like him the same size I was just a bit him with a Turkish gelat surely not so I chose Celtic basically because you know Paki Bonner was at 33 34 Schmeichel just and he's prime my dad was saying the best chance of getting into the first team would be at Celtic before Man United so he's got an experience as well speaking of goalkeepers and getting you this would be interesting to see your opinion on this and Donna Rummers I think the technical term for it is shit-hosery he's kind of gone down giving it oh which is give pep time to get the team together I remember it happened years ago when I was at Oldham and then five games I did Lincoln away they used to do it the Cowley brothers but our goalie coach used to I think he knew him and he was warning me about it all the time but there's nothing you do about it something needs to change it it goes down it happens all the time now it's been happening

10:37Nicky:when we started playing Europe we're just naive to it and I think it's part of the game and I think people get carried away with it and for me it's look if the other if the Leeds were up or needs to do it they'd do it it's just what happens in front I think we need to stop it I think it's wrong but it's bending in the rules or whatever you want to call it because cheating and if it does happen the last thing that should be allowed Pep shouldn't be allowed to bring the whole team in and get in the tactical board you know what I mean they should all stay in their positions that's exactly what happened and the whole team's coming in.

11:06Nicky:Going off, I think, you don't need this wrong call for it. But would that be a conscious thing before they get, is it like a break glass in emergency plan? You go, Luke, if we are on our arse, one of you fearing injury so we can get you together. Well, it's not a lot of we say it every week, honestly. It's the goalkeeper specifically because the goalkeeper can't lead the pitch. You know what I mean? So the outfield player just... You'll see the manager as well, shout out, keep it down. Yeah, yeah. Really? One of the subs will tell him or something, one of the subs will warm him. Honestly, that's mind-blowing to me, that.

11:34It's been going off for years, yeah.

11:36Nicky:How do you think football's changed with the goalkeepers compared to when you played? Obviously, they're all becoming a lot better with their feet, a lot more technical. I mean, an example, the Tottenham guys get loads of stick from the game of the day. I think it's a bit harsh because he's actually ended up in his left-back position and he's trying to clip one down the line with his left foot. Now, a goalkeeper, in my opinion, shouldn't be expected to clip a ball down the line with his left foot, particularly when he's right-footed. He should do it then, should he? But what I'm saying is the players should know going back there that most of the players except probably three or four of the goalkeepers are incapable of doing that and it's really great on me that everyone expects him so he's been abused hasn't he?

12:14Nicky:He got abused for that goal and he's been blamed for it but to go and I still believe to go into the left side of the channel to be able to click the ball on the outline and expect to do that as a goalkeeper I think that's a bit harsh for me I think a lot of goalkeepers in modern league are asked to play but at the same time I think that is the Vicario one at the weekend was a bit of a strange one because I think Scholes he's got to agree with Scholes in a sense he was in right in the left back position as you said the goal's wide gaping open and he was lots of bodies and stuff around him so what do you do just kick it out of play I think at that stage you're thinking I'm in no man's land here this goes wrong it could go pear shaped which it did but if the goalkeeper's central of the goal and he's trying to play into the six or play to the full back and it's quite comfortable then I don't mind that but at the same time if he does kick it out of play at the weekend Thomas Frank goes what are you doing I want you to clip it down we've worked on this all week whatever so some of the goals are blamed for how they're coached the keepers you know but you're the person in the position you're the ones going to have to get the abuse from the Tottenham fans after that when did it all come in that show do you think the keepers having to play it just became football I think Pep has probably transformed the game so much but the mad thing about it is not everyone's in Ederson Ederson for me is probably the best goalkeeper in world football ever has been but then you go down to the bottom half of the Premier League or the Championship or even League One and they're trying to play three mudpats and playing out in the back we see it in League 2 actually Solford they're trying to play it and you're looking going if you can do that you won't be playing in League 2 you'll be in the Championship or the Premier League two centre-halves splitting and stuff and sometimes with respect to the keeper which I was a position and the centre-halves are probably the worst on the ball in the whole team they should be so they're getting most of the ball which is madness yeah I think it probably did come from Spain didn't it with Pep I remember Gaz saying when Gaz went off to Villarreal Valencia yeah the keepers trained with the team for the first 20-25 minutes of the game just actually with the football so they didn't learn how to handle the football obviously it's now become a little bit obsessed If the manager is expecting things what you just said about Thomas Frank then would he then after the game not tear a strip off him because he's going I'm glad you've tried that or would he be saying I think that incident was a goalkeeping mistake I really do because he was a no man's land down this position I don't think Tottenham last week would have coached if you get the ball in the left back position I want you to do this I think at that stage when there's no options and you're on your weaker foot or whatever it is you just play out of play and get back in the position you know what I mean when I used to watch games and I'd see a goalkeeper dive on a penalty sort of before the he'd actually the player had actually committed to which side they'd put it on it used to drive me mad that and then with doing training with David Seaman who said to me Luke just pick a side and go he used to say literally just as he's about to strike it just go and it's amazing how many penalties I've saved with that and I used to I've saved penalties I've saved penalties that's one of one of games I have saved I'm telling you I have saved I have saved I have saved I have saved I have saved Go back and watch it get HMRC on it HMRC I've probably saved four over the time.

15:26And that one of the change rooms in penalty. Woody Allison. This is their best penalty takers. It was not the answers. No, no, it's their five against our five. But I'm telling you, when he told me in a training session and I saved two penalties straight away, just in a training session, so it wasn't for anything. And I couldn't believe how much advantage that gives you. And I get it now. What, picking one side and diving? Yeah, because normally I used to think, No, no, normally you'd wait. Normally you'd wait. I'd wait as a person who's played out and think, I'll just see which way it goes and try and get it.

16:03But actually you've no chance if they put power on it, but you have got a chance if you go before it leaves the boot. Yeah, it can't. This is what the shit I have to put up. They don't get it. They don't get it. You rock it, so. They don't get it. Keeper's classroom here. But it's true. I think if you just go that split second before. I think Shale Tire if it's true. I think you have to with the power

16:24Nicky:and stuff 12 yards that's all I need that's all I need wait for the keepers to move first yeah well that's the tricky part what do you not want from a penalty taker what do you mean what don't I want what do you mean not to score well yeah but where would would you want it down low would you want it high or what you don't want what you don't want I think power low or high you're struggling to be honest set 12 yards out unless you go before he kicks it I'm telling you Shira was the best at penalties Shira with the power and then like Canson now wait till the keeper moves yeah I wanted to chase after him down the highbury you chased after him I was thinking about it head was coming off that on reach hit me once yeah that's disgraceful but Al was good actually Shira was good because every Friday before a game me and him would go on the goal and he would take I don't know like five penalties like two on my right two on my left and I would go early probably still wouldn't see them because of the power he puts on them but it gave me a bit of confidence he could probably tell you where they were going yeah the last couple because that would give him confidence as well he'd tell me I'm going to your right and I would go early still couldn't save it yeah and if it's top bins you've kind of no chance anyway then he'd give me a couple that wouldn't tell me and still wouldn't save them penalties wasn't for me penalties not for everybody I think if it goes top bins either side with power it is what it is you just that the one for me is being chipped that is the one the other thing as well is analysing penalties you know goalie coaches and managers so we went to Old Trafford all in the bottles we went to Old Trafford once and Rooney's last three penalties was to the keeper's keeper's right and like the manager the goalie coach has shown me I says well he's going to change a bit like a game of cards you know poker game isn't it he's going to change it at some point he's going to change at some point I don't care go to your right today at Old Trafford and they always get a penalty you mob always get a penalty at Old Trafford nailed on that's where we were practising the day before Rooney's going to go to your right go to your right and of course in my head psychology I'm saying the manager said the goalie coach they've shown me I can nearly not not go to my right now yeah go to my right Rooney rolls it to my left and I'm like fuming remember Pete so if you're like you're defending a shot and the keeper if you went and pressed the shot like you naturally would do as a defender or a midfielder or a player you go and press the keeper if you went and did that it absolutely bollocked you he wanted to see the clear shot coming from the edge of the box so if you went and tried to put your foot out like that he'd go absolutely nuts because as I learnt as I got older and watched more football a lot of the shots go through legs they get vicaragued off heels and then the keeper hates that and like I said about the training if you get a clear shot with top keepers like Shea or Pete or whoever it might be nine times out of ten they're going to save it you know a clear true strike with no one in front of them you're going to save it I know sometimes Michael used to do what you liked as well was you know like free kicks around the end of the book 25 yards no wall so he's actually in the psychology going to that you're not going to score a pass and you think about it as well on the wall Pete was a lunatic he was there fucking lunatic he all keeps a lunatic I'm the most sensible goalkeeper you know yeah you probably you and Edwin you and Edwin he's not he's disagreeing he's he fought yeah Champions League I think Bobby Robson was the manager of the time I know sometimes you build a wall and I can't remember what player it was they whipped it over top corner and I've done that there and like you know sometimes you just kind of clap Bobby Robson was hey son what are you doing I'm 72 I can do that I don't want you I want you to go and I was like gee never thought of that Bobby next time I'll give it a go but it is that thing when you're in the next where you go it's so easy when you're watching it isn't it but when it's just in the ice game over it's a bloody nightmare which of your big moves was the one that's really you know cemented you as where you wanted to be to was it the Newcastle move was it the Blackburn was it the the City one was obviously a big one probably Newcastle was the move for me 21 like moved to Newcastle at 21 Kenny Douglas gave me the number one jersey they just finished second in the Premier League like it was a big it's only 21 though yeah and it was a big statement for Kenny to go basically there you go it's up to you now because previously I'd been out in loan a couple of times at Blackburn before that did he sign you for Blackburn as well yeah it's all a lot to Kenny so much respect for Kenny so he brought me to Newcastle he was the manager and you know obviously Cernicek was there his lot was there Harper was there so there's a big competition for the position Pav was brilliant wasn't he?

20:49Yeah Pav was brilliant such an open man and then to get that opportunity to play in the Premier League at a big club like Newcastle as well and I think probably finished second behind you a lot they didn't have a few seasons didn't they but yeah it was a big big moment for me Somewhere out there is a Chevy truck and the person who drives it well that's a Chevy person you probably know one your buddy your sister ones who always show up They're the first to rise, the last to leave. They always have that little extra something, and maybe you've got it too. Chevrolet, together let's drive. Visit chevy.com slash trucks to explore the lineup.

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22:15No. Just him, now take Duracell. Is there any other battery with power boost ingredients inside? No, just Duracell. Remember, goats only trust goats because they're built different. And Messi only trusts Duracell. Speaking of Sir Kenny bringing you in, so you cement yourself as the number one and then Rude Hullick comes in, 99 FA Cup final benches you. like behind the scenes and you know you talk about what you want to talk about on here it's dead relaxed but what's what happens when did you speak to Rude and go like how have you made that decision the man thinking about it he didn't even tell me himself Terry again I remember Terry the goalkeeping coach on the Thursday I think before the FA Cup final he pulled me in training that morning and he goes you're not playing Saturday I was like what he goes Rude Rude says I says why he says oh it's something to do with your kicking or something blah blah was me kicking and I played the thing is I played every game up to the final as well so that made it even more difficult you know anyway my head was absolutely gone at that point so there was no point in going in and speaking to him because he made his mind up he made his decision but I was just raging I think we had a little upset a few yeah Shira as well that was a funny one with Shira and Ferguson you playing that game?

23:32no for you not to play in that final it was ridiculous yeah I was raging did you use clearly a bit of cable did you play a lot of the fans can and with the fans going like, why is he not playing? Well, I don't know. I don't remember. It was all a bit of a blur back then, but I mean, again, going back to Steve Harper, you know, he played and I was very supportive of him the 24 hours, 48 hours after that, you know, because he was supportive of me every time I played. Like, we had a really good friendship and I really wanted him to do well, you know, but I was just angry that the way, and not even to tell me that was even more like, what's the word?

24:01The FA Cup. Shit house. Shit house. Yeah. I found a new word today.

24:05Nicky:The FA Cup's a big one as well, isn't it? It's a massive one. especially playing all the games like you did and you get to the end and not playing us it's not even fair on Steve Harper really is it he's not played a game played a couple of games of thinking yeah because that makes it awkward between the keepers doesn't it because you wouldn't it's just human nature you go fucking hell I'm obviously a better keeper than him I've played all season like why has that happened it's not Harper's fault at all but it feels like with yourself and Shearer Rude Hulley I kind of think watching it as a fan and watching him going in it just seemed to me like it was like well I'm Ruud Hullet so that's that that kind of chip on the shoulder is being a great player Shear and Ferguson got dropped for the North East Derby at home they got beat and Al was in 8 o 'clock or something on Monday morning waiting at Ruud's office and Duncan was already waiting for him imagine that for a welcome committee on a Monday morning let's get off Monday to a good start Duncan Ferguson Alan Shear's outside your office didn't Ruud get us that way Ruud didn't make it to the office himself no yeah I was going to say Did he get sacked after that game?

25:08Well I think it was the Monday morning but he didn't go into the training ground Was he a kind of manager then with decisions like where he said he never told you which is mind blowing to me Was he because you know when you talk about when I speak to some of the ex England lads when they talk about Capello he wasn't very much like a speaking to the players kind of manager we're all done through number two and all the rest of it Was Rude like that? Was it very little interaction? I think Rude struggled to transfer obviously he was an unbelievable player wasn't he? One of the best Dutch players of all time, probably Ruudhullard and I think he felt everyone was at that level that he was at and obviously we weren't, I remember doing a training session once and I think it was the right back was clipping into the midfielder and the midfielder would switch play out to the left winger to get a crossing and I can't remember who the midfielder was but he kept shanking at a play and this and that, step aside right and so I can't remember who was in the right side.

26:01He would have found the player but I think he stepped in and he goes sink it into me and I can't remember who it was it was maybe Nobby Solano dinked it into him and he's literally chested it and pinged it out you know before he even hits the ground onto the left winger's chest and he goes do it like this and like lads are going do you know what I mean it was more about me sort of than actually coaching the team but I obviously was a great player but I just don't think management was for him Paddy do you think that's a little bit like we were talking on last podcast and I agree what you two were saying about it's interesting how Roy Keane were never sort of thought about as the United manager do you think people like Rude and people like Roy who have been top top players that's the difficult thing about being a manager being frustrated watching people going why can't you do that yeah I think it would be with them them types of characters because they have high standards don't they and when obviously when you're seeing players in the championship and maybe even lower than that they would get frustrated of course they would yeah and going back to probably Roy because we've all played with Roy it's in like you know like the New York and the Fergie guys was like the hair dryer treatment and the way he speaks to players and stuff People say you can't speak to the players, you can't give players a ballgame anymore because they go under.

27:10I never quite understood that but you guys must have seen a few hair dryer treatments in the day. Oh just a bit. Did you get one or two yourselves? I might have had one. Funny enough I had one at Newcastle. Did you? Yeah, given was you playing the game? I can't remember. It was 4-3. I can't remember. It was 3-0 down. Was that the thing we could have sent off was it? Yeah. Was it? I'm not sure who gave Alice I remember 3-0 down at half time when Subba came on at half time I think we got it back to 3-2 and I gave the ball away in the middle of the pitch and Sherry went up the other end and scored the manager went oh he went mad at me did you know when that happened you go I'm fucked when I go back in no not really and see when he's giving you the hair dry do you ever like do you ever pull your own little hair dry and switch it back to midfield or is that not it I was usually very very quiet and just took it but this time I didn't for some reason was you playing Nick?

28:01and he was just he was going mad at me give it all the way in the fucking middle of the pitch I just kept saying bollocks so every he's I said bollocks you knew was that winding him up even though I think that was getting him going yeah that's not ideal I'm thinking Monday morning that's me

28:20Nicky:it's hard it's hard you know what I'm saying but you just got to keep quiet but I'm going to say I had loads of bollocks we all did but when that happens in midfield and you give the ball away I still think you've got six players behind you and the keeper maybe five players and the keeper you're thinking well they've let someone go right through and score you're going to get the ball away sometime but he would go mad he used to say to us all the time do not do a square pass in midfield remember don't ever do a square pass in midfield square pass he used to hate that you could try and he wouldn't pass it forward you used to do a square pass in midfield and you'd get the ball away he would absolutely annihilate it I was at Derby with Wayne as a coach for a year and he used to say Fergie would come in and pick on for example Wayne and then Wayne would lose his head but it would be a reaction for the other players would he use that a bit as well he'd pick his players he'd pick his players all the time even before the game you reckon he's got somebody the best one the best one I've ever seen was Dwight York when he first signed he didn't really know the manager so he didn't know his character so we grew up so we knew it was Monaco away or something wasn't it Fiorentina away night before So the manager loves his wine.

29:32Nicky:So we're sat there and the manager ordered a bottle of wine from the waitress and he's put like an English stroke French accent, Italian accent on it. Italian accent, yeah. And he tries to do a little bit of, you know, signiority, all that kind of stuff. And the gaff, the yorkie's gone, gaff is trying to speak Italian. Gaff, no gaff. The gaff, gaff's trying to speak Italian. That was a gaff. So all the lads, right, know the manager's personality. Yeah. He doesn't yet. He's only just got to a club. we've all gone oh no we'll act to him everyone's just done well Yorkie's got that big smile and you can see the gaffer going red and I'm thinking you better play fucking well tomorrow you better play well to be all he had a shitter but he got annihilated and dragged off and said you better fucking play well and it went mad at him and it was the worst mistake he'd ever done so these things you do with the manager's thing you didn't do but he had such a mad mistake did Yorkie take it well because Yorkie seems like a real easy going kind of one of them He had no choice.

30:29You have no choice.

30:30Nicky:But with Jorke, it was a quick learning curve for him. Quick learning curve. There was only one winner, wasn't there? I'd have liked to have seen him doing that, but in like an Italian accent as well, just to rub it in even more. I spoke in a God-Italian accent. Going back just to a little bit about keepers, when you look at the Tottenham game, which you spoke about there, when you see Vicario being booed, how do you feel about that? Yeah I feel for him actually And I think Thomas Frank Was really good after the match He was really strong And he said I don't mind the players And himself getting booed After the game But while the game's ongoing You know It's I don't like that And I agree with him Because You know yourself You've made a mistake You've got enough gun off Between your ears at that point You don't need Every time you touch the ball As your own fans To be on your case And it's not a nice feeling It's a lonely position Paddy As you probably know yourself And I have to agree With Thomas Frank You know Sort of Vent your frustrations after the game perhaps not during the game because it's a difficult one the keepers are right there aren't they you can't get away from the crowd as a midfielder you can just run into the middle at pitch stay there for a bit but you are right there so every time the ball goes out you get in the ball for a goal you're doing this and you weigh in the home fans as well buddy did you ever get I think I probably went through a spell at Newcastle at one point where I was getting a bit of stick you know I made a few mistakes and you can hear the moans and groans and sometimes I always say but you know if you say give a pass away or make a mistake and it's human nature you go oh but like when 50 ,000 people are doing it sounds do you know what I mean so yeah I've had it and it's not a nice feeling because you're doing your best and mistakes the thing is you said he gave a pass away in midfield you've got six guys behind you to rescue we give a mistake in goals there's only like there's only a perfectly good net behind you that's going to bail you out but also as well you've got that thing like what Nicky said about that you know sometimes you're in the nets and you're going what about these fucking lads in front what about that mistake there that's allowed him through to put it in the back of the net that's what fans are like I remember doing the same at Newcastle.

32:27Nicky:If you remember, when I went, I went on loan for a bit, didn't I, from Newcastle, and then came back. It was a pre-season game. Where did you go on loan? Birmingham. Okay, yeah. I come back pre-season, and the fans didn't like me. And literally, we played against, who did Dergo Fulham play for? Villarreal. Villarreal, yeah. Villarreal. So I was on the bench. It was a pre-season game, and I've come on after about 20 minutes, half an hour. We all got time slots. It was a pre-season game. I got booed on. True story. I got booed on by 55 ,000 people.

33:01Nicky:I scored two, got headers. I got man of the match, but they brought me off because you had time slots. Like I said, I got booed on, scored two goals, got man of the match, and I got booed off. I must have been the only player to get booed on and off. Two goals. And two goals and man of the match for you. When you're walking off and they're booing after you've got man of the match and scored two goals, are you not going? No, I refuse. Remember, you used to have to go upstairs and receive you. I refused to go up. I said, I'm not going up, not going up. So I had a bad relationship with Newcastle fans probably for about nine months, but then it turned around, it was good.

33:32Just talking about when you sign for City, as a player, when you're signing for a club who's just had a big takeover and you hear all the stuff in the press and it's impossible not to hear about the money that's going about and everything else and you hear about some of the players that they're looking at bringing in, I think it was Karkar and John Terry sort of around the time. Were they muted to you? Possibly, yeah. It was mad because I think the previous one, Rubinho signed and every single window there was like the best pick of the Premier League was popping into town, obviously Tevez signed, your nemesis.

34:07That banner was, I know these two won't like it, but Welcome to Manchester was quite a cool advertising campaign. What was it like during that period? It felt like every time a window comes, the door opens and we just weren't sure who was coming in, Adebayor, Santa Cruz. there was just... He brought you back here. But it was amazing for me, Newcastle were really struggling at that time and not the Newcastle had joined, I'll tell you, 21, we finished second, then the seasons before I left, there was a relegation fight every year and the previous owner that was there, he wanted to just keep the club afloat and it wasn't ambitious and all that.

34:45And then Man City come call and you think, as you said, it was big news around the world and they could have picked any goalkeeper in world football and he wanted me so i was like this is this is incredible you know did did mark use personally phone your first when you heard about that how did it how does it all work yeah you're not allowed to do that no that's illegal that's an illegal approach that really yeah but i know it's illegal but fucking hell it always goes on it always goes on did that ring you i was so young back then you know i was you know i was doing my old thing. I was still playing right back then, so I was like...

35:18It was funny, I had a lawyer at the time look after me, but I was in a hotel, Manchester, the lawyer, actually waiting for the green light of Newcastle. I think I'd done the medical, but it was back then, it was 2009, I think, waiting on the fax, the famous fax machine. The fax, yeah. And you just look at this machine in the hotel room. Do you know what I mean? It was on deadline day as well. It wasn't like there was loads of time to spare. Was that the start of the season? No, it was in January, so I think it was the 1st of February or something. and I think it was six and a half or seven or something why does it always go that late if they want you why is it oh why is it waiting on that fax to come through well I was just trying to get probably squeeze the last money out of it and there was one thing I said this before but when I left Newcastle I had a 10 % sell on fee so 10 % or six or seven million is a hefty fee and Mike Ashley at the time he said to me he says unless you sign this transfer request because if you sign a transfer request you give up that 10 % and you're not going anywhere type thing.

36:14Anyway, so the clock was ticking, didn't sign it. Anyway, deadline day, I was left back in the corner because I wanted the move to go through and then at that point signed it and okayed it. But the other side, it was I gave up that large sum of money, but also that same day he left the press in the Evening Chronicle in Newcastle. After he asked for a transfer request, there was nothing we could do to keep him. So it would be 12 years at the club and it sort of finished that way. I was frustrated and angry the way it all sort of finished. But people would say

36:41Nicky:was my choice to leave which it was but i just think it could have been dealt with better you know i was good when shay left drinking partner is me no miscellaneous partner

37:02i think he wasn't in the squad one weekend and he got the physio to wrap his hand up for Friday night or something oh god that is no no I actually did

37:12Nicky:do a what's it called Benick's fracture I don't know what it was when your phone drops down scarred there scarred fork a Guinness fracture yeah but you were like Keith Lemon on the Friday night he went out for a few pints and he wasn't in the squad the next day but he got the physio to make it look like walking around like Keith Lemon make it work walking around like Keith Lemon I had a kez on I had a bird on it I've pissed me, Sam. It is, but when you, when you, when it came through that faction, you knew you were going to play in for City. Now, my memory's a bit foggy at that time. It weren't Dave Seaman who went number one, though.

37:51No, it was Joe Hart. Oh, was it Joe Hart? Yeah, yeah. So then it was a bit bad for Joe because he then, he got obviously binned at the weekend or whatever, or benched at the weekend. And it was, he was doing actually well as well. So, and then in the summer, he got sent to Birmingham, I'm actually on loan for a season but yeah we played Middlesbrough in the first game for City and again like I was a bit nervous I was 33 and you think oh you've been around the block which I had been but you're joining a new football club a big club big news you know everyone's talking about them we played Middlesbrough at the 12, 30 it was on Sky and all that kind of stuff you know the early game and stuff what's going through your mind in the morning you get up and you're like you know you're new number one you know you're going to be playing it's a good signing on for you like are you thinking right just make that first save or the first pass or what are you thinking?

38:39Again, obviously Joe was doing well so again, you're going into a football club and they're going, well, that's going to close the door on him. Why do they need to sign him? Sort of some people were saying that perhaps. But for me personally, it was like I need to try and impress a new set of fans. Obviously Newcastle fans knew me inside out. But these, I know the City fans would have seen me playing and obviously the home games when Newcastle were there. But in my head, it was I've got to impress these fans and luckily enough, the first day I got man of the match against the middle.