Men Don’t Just Need Friends. They Need Bromance.

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21:56Don't miss Guns N' Roses. Actor and author Andrew McCarthy was on a quest to reconnect with old friends. He wanted to rebuild the kinds of bromances that he had portrayed in so many iconic 80s films. And he chose to start that quest with one of his oldest friends, Seve. He was only four hours away, for God's sake, and I still haven't seen him in years and years. Andrew called Seve and demanded that they set a date for Andrew to drive down to Baltimore to see him. The day before Andrew was set to visit, Seve called to cancel. Apparently, he had forgotten about some big doctor's appointment. So Andrew rescheduled, and the day before that rescheduled visit, Seve called to cancel again.

22:37After several more cancellations, Andrew was tired of Seve's excuses. Four hours later, Andrew was knocking on the door of Seve's condo. Seve seemed shocked and a little upset. greeting Andrew with a confused, dude, what are you doing here? Already, Andrew's bromantic gesture seemed to be off to an awkward start. But things got worse when Seve sheepishly let Andrew inside his condo. I walked in and I just went, holy cow. Andrew quickly realized why Seve had been so reluctant to have visitors. His apartment was filled floor to ceiling with stuff. Clothes, delivery boxes, papers, just stuff. Everywhere.

23:15He kept ordering from Amazon. He's up in the middle of the night and he's ordering and he's ordering and ordering. And I was like, why is he doing that? He doesn't need any of the junk he's ordering. Andrew had no idea that Seve had developed a shopping addiction. But that was probably because Andrew and Seve hadn't actually connected in a real way in a very long time. What happened to my friend here? What kind of friend have I been here? But a few hours into the visit, after they got to really talking, all of the awkwardness just disappeared. By the end of the night, Seve seemed much lighter than he'd been when he first answered the door.

23:49Hours later, Andrew took his long drive home, feeling more like himself than he had in ages. Turns out, reconnecting with a close friend can do that. I didn't anticipate that, but that was profound to me. And consequently, then I felt this safety net underneath me, this safety net of friendship that I had forgotten I needed and forgotten that I missed. Andrew decided to make the four-hour trek to visit Seve more often. And as he did, something unexpected happened. Reconnecting with one old friend seemed to make it easier to open up to other people too. Plus, long drives to Baltimore meant chance meetings with random people at rest stops.

24:25And then along the way, I started talking to all these other men who I would just randomly approach in a gas station or at a restaurant. One time I stopped from Philadelphia. I was in a coffee shop and I started chatting to a guy and I said, I'm going down to see an old friend of mine. He said, oh, that's great because guys don't really, we don't do that enough. And so I started talking about friendship with him. And I thought that was half an interesting conversation. And I started talking to another guy. And then once I started talking to a few other guys, I started to go, wait a minute, there's something here.

24:53Andrew realized he could turn his quest to reconnect into a bigger project. He decided that his next book would document not just his own attempt at reconnection, but also the puzzle of what's really going on with male friendship today. And knowing I was doing a book made it certainly a lot easier. I certainly wouldn't have approached most strangers and asked them about their friends if I wasn't writing a book. That book is now out in the world. It's called Who Needs Friends? An Unscientific Examination of Male Friendship Across America. His attempt to reconnect with his neglected buddies took him on a journey of over 10 ,000 miles and across 22 different states.

25:28Are you a big fan of long drives? I hate driving. I'm a terrible—I don't like driving at all. I hate the freeway. I'm afraid trucks are going to just crash me all the time. So I rode back roads, but no, I hate driving. Weeks and weeks of driving those backcountry roads met lots of chance conversations with guys from all walks of life. In Andrew's typical conversation involved walking up to a random stranger and bluntly asking, would you mind telling me about your male friends? And they all looked at me like I was nuts. And invariably, though, interestingly, no one said no to me. Everyone said yes.

26:00Almost all of them by the end of our conversations said, you know what, I've never talked about this before. It turns out Andrew wasn't alone when it came to neglecting the buddies he was closest to. He saw the sad stats about the state of male friendship today borne out in every town he visited. And I encountered lots of men. I encountered guys when I started talking about it with them. I don't have any friends. I didn't have much use for friendship. I'm old now. It doesn't matter anymore. And that was one of the saddest things I ever heard. He also learned about the many factors that prevent men from prioritizing close relationships.

27:00for us is the degree to which we have a sense of self-esteem and happiness. And so I think it's a massive issue for Matt. Many of the men he met across the country seemed to embrace those John Wayne ideals of self-reliance. They seemed almost proud to be lonely, as though that was what modern maleness was supposed to involve. That's what strength is. It's like, that's not strength, that's just isolation. Conversations like these made Andrew worry about the next generation of men if his own generation didn't make some big changes. I was talking to these guys in Austin. I remember exactly when it was.

27:33And we're talking about kids. And I realized my greatest failings as a parent is that I did not model friendship for my children. You know, because kids don't listen. We tell them all sorts of stuff, but they don't listen. They just see our behavior and they learn from our behavior. And I did not actively cultivate and nurture my friendships for them to see. And I think that was a great failing of mine as a parent. And that really hit me hard when I realized that. But committing to such a long journey meant that Andrew now was putting in the time needed to nurture his friendships. Part of me arriving from driving this distance to meet people, they would go, I can't believe you drove all the way to see me.

28:15And I was, you know, you're important to me. You're valued to me. You've been important in my life. And I just need to come say, hey, and just like hang out for a minute and go have dinner. And by each of us owning how important we were to each other, that altered the friendship. The more Andrew connected with old friends, the more he realized how much of their lives he'd been missing. My friend Matthew in Kentucky, he mentioned he was taking some pills. I said, what are you taking there? I've seen you take with Cranelids, you know, in the 80s. What are you taking there? And he said, I've been taking these since my heart attack.

28:46And I was like, when did you have a heart attack? How could I not have known you had a heart attack 13 years ago? And that hit me like a ton of bricks. I mean, like, this person's important. Why am I not showing up for this? Yeah, yeah, I'm busy. I've got this, I've got that. But these are all just excuses. You need to get over yourself here, Andrew. Andrew's time with Matthew also helped him remember all the tiny joys that bromance can bring. Take the go-to ritual that Andrew and Matthew returned to when they heard their favorite 80s song together. It was a Bruce Springsteen song called Glory Days.

29:16And then one of the lines in there would say, back in school, she would turn all the boys' heads. Back in school, she could turn all the boys' heads. And Matthew and I used to drive around L.A. together all the time. And whenever that song would come on the radio, we would both snap our heads to the left as if our heads had been turned by a pretty girl. And, you know, 30 years later, he brings me out to his car and the line is queued up. And back in school, we could turn all the boys' heads. And we'd snap our heads. and we were instantly 22 years old again. And it's the stupidest thing. I'm embarrassed now thinking too.

29:51We just felt so received by each other, you know, and that goes such a long way. Andrew's little Bruce Springsteen ritual might sound silly, but the science backs Andrew up here. Psychologists have found that shared rituals can play an important role in maintaining close relationships. Studies by researcher Mike Norton suggest that even arbitrary rituals can strengthen social bonds. And psychologist Sarah Algo has found that shared laughter can act as a catalyst for connection, helping friends feel closer and more satisfied with their relationships. Little rituals remind us of our shared history and of how much we matter to one another.

30:28And of course, shared laughter with a good friend is a great way to just feel good, something Andrew admits he'd been missing in his life. I called my wife and she said, well, how's Matthew? What are you guys doing? I go, just stupid stuff. and she said, you don't do enough stupid stuff. I go, God, I think I do so much stupid stuff. She goes, yeah, but you need to do more stupid stuff that doesn't mean anything, so you don't do the stupid stuff that really matters. And I thought that was a really wise thing to say. And so, I mean, laughing kind of catapults you deeper into yourself quicker than anything else, doesn't it?

30:59You laugh and just suddenly everything can be released. All that anger, that fear, all that stuff. Laughing is an extraordinary tool in friendship, I think. So many of us guys, we just lose the sense of joy and playfulness that is really to our own detriment. Andrew's journey shows that it's relatively easy to resurrect a dormant bromance if you just put in some overdue effort. And the recipe is simple. Ingredient number one is just time. Whether that's putting in the hours needed to visit face-to-face or prioritizing more consistent phone calls in your calendar. And when you do make the time to connect, don't be afraid to get a little silly.

31:36Cue up that dumb tune you loved in high school or the stupid inside joke that evokes a shared history. Activities like these will rebuild any social glue that may have dried out over the years. And finally, remember that everyone feels a little awkward when they first reach out after a long hiatus. Our distant buddies are usually much more excited to reconnect than it might seem. And conversations that feel uncomfortable at first can become the foundation for genuine intimacy. That's the good news when it comes to this week's happiness hot take. But let's be real here. Not every guy listening right now is going to have the time or ability to drop everything to take a 10 ,000 mile journey to rekindle their dormant friendships.

32:17And lots of guys may not even realize that deep connection is actually missing from their life. Which raises a question. Are there other low lift ways that we can help guys today keep their close connections alive? Are there structural ways to nudge lonely guys towards more connection and deeper friendships without adding more things to their calendar? When we get back from the break, we'll meet a social scientist who's begun to dig into these questions. He's found a low-effort strategy for building bromances, one that may have been hiding in plain sight. We'll hear what he's learned so far when The Happiness Lab returns in a moment.

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36:44I grew up in Philadelphia, which, as many people know, is the home to the NFL's best team, the Philadelphia Eagles. This is my friend Todd Rogers, a professor of public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School. Growing up, we watched Eagles games. My family watched Eagles games. I watched with friends. Everyone talked about it. Ever since he was a kid, Todd has used being part of the so-called bird gang to connect with the other people and particularly the other dudes in his life. The connective power of being an Eagles fan was especially important during Todd's early teens. It was around this time that the Rogers family experienced a tragic event.

37:19When I was in eighth grade rising into ninth grade, my older brother died. I spent every Sunday in Mimi and Pop-Up's basement, my grandparents' basement, that entire season of ninth grade. Watching games in the dueling, reclining chairs of my grandfather, who didn't talk much. But every week, we'd get Skolnick's bagels. I would eat three or four of them and pass out by halftime on the chair. But looking back, I realized my grandparents wanted to be around. And there was no other way to be around a 14-year-old in that really challenging time where I, like, needed family. Todd continues to use the connective power of Eagles fandom today.

37:58Having moved from Philly to Boston for his current academic position, Todd often turns to the Eagles to stay connected with buddies back home. My high school friends and I, they're all over the place. But every year we go to an Eagles game together. And it's been 15 years now that we all go to a game. And then we've all had, many of us have had kids. So now we have two games every year that we go to. One is the family game where we bring all our kids. We tailgate for like three or four hours and then we all go to the game. and the other one is just the guys. And it's become this incredible way to stay connected to my friends from high school, but also to connect with everybody in this more extended family we have.

38:37And even though Todd now resides in enemy Patriots territory, he still wears his Eagles insignia, which helps him connect with all the other Philly expats living in the area. I was in line, and the guy in front of me was wearing an Eagles hat, so naturally I said, go birds. The guy said, go birds. We started talking. He watches all the games with his kids, and I was like, you should come watch with us. I host a party of Eagles fans here in Boston every game with my kids and my wife and randos that we've met on the street who are Eagles fans and colleagues and people who are in town. And it has become this like centerpiece of our social life.

39:12Todd has long used football fandom to make his own life more social. But recently, he's begun turning to this same strategy academically. Because in addition to being a huge Eagles fan, Todd is also a professional fixer. As a behavioral scientist at the Harvard Kennedy School, Todd's job is to use social science to solve big societal problems. And the big societal problem he's most interested in fixing these days is the challenge underlying this week's happiness hot take, the male connection crisis. It's hard to imagine it does not contribute to everything that's wrong with our society today. Before the break, actor Andrew McCarthy and I talked about lots of ways that guys can rebuild their bromances at the individual level.

39:54Strategies like simply reaching out to friends you haven't talked to in a while or making time for shared rituals. But Todd wants to take a behavioral insights approach to the male connection crisis. And that means finding an easy structural fix, one that goes beyond individual level solutions, but still doesn't require a lot of money or large scale interventions. I think there's a lot of low-hanging fruit on ways that we can leverage pre-existing infrastructure to help people make and maintain relationships. And Todd believes that one of the most promising tools for rebuilding social connection has been hiding in plain sight, sports.

40:2875 % of American adults say that they are fans of a team in one of the three big leagues. 75 % of Americans. That's more people than I think identify with either of the big parties. 63 % of Americans say that they are passionate about their teams. There's just a lot of people who are fans of games. Todd says that sports also has the right temporal cadence for building stronger ties. One thing that's cool about sports is that they are recurring and they are seasonal. And so they keep coming back. It's three hours of time with someone in a football game or two hours of a basketball game or potentially infinite hours of the baseball game.

41:08But like it's got this structure where it's not like staring face to face. Psychologists have made the distinction between what they call face to face friends versus shoulder to shoulder friends. Face to face friends enjoy facing one another during their interactions. Think grabbing a coffee together or chatting emotionally eye to eye. Shoulder to shoulder relationships, in contrast, take place over more structured activities. Think going fishing, working on a car together, playing your favorite board game or watching football. Researchers have argued that men today tend to be more comfortable when taking part in shoulder-to-shoulder activities versus the face-to-face ones.

41:44We don't have to talk when it gets awkward if we don't want to. We can go back to talking about what's on the game. We can sit in silence. Todd says that sports fandom also introduces one of the strongest behavioral nudges for building connection, a sense of shared belonging and experience. Lori, are you a fan? I'm a Red Sox fan. Good. There you go. So you get it. Other Red Sox fans and you have a completely not sensible connection, right? So you meet another Red Sox fan, especially if you're in New Haven. Because you know there's a lot of Yankees fans. Too many Yankees fans. One is too many. So you're in New Haven and you run into a Red Sox fan.

42:20You might chat with them. It's an invitation. Their hat is an invitation saying, talk to me about the Red Sox. You know exactly where you were in 2004 when they won their first World Series. So you have this history of shared experience. And what's also cool is they're synchronized. You were experiencing the same thing wherever these other people were at exactly the same time. So it is this really deep, synchronizing experience that makes people feel like they're part of the same tribe. I love that it is so misunderstood and it is so deep. And Todd has found that the connection we get from fandom is powerful enough to overcome some truly big divisions.

42:59His work has shown that being a fan of the same team can overcome the political differences that often prevent people from connecting. If I learn that you share my fandom, it depolarizes my view of you more than anything else we know. Shared religion, shared race, shared hometown, shared education. Learning that you're also an Eagles fan makes me like you more, be willing to talk to you more, think you're more like me. It is hard for a non-fan to understand, but that dimension of similarity seems to be the most powerful for depolarizing of anything we know. Connecting through sports also capitalizes on one of the most culturally acceptable ways for guys to hang out.

43:36We ran one hilarious, I mean, hilarious and sad study where we asked men and women who are fans, how likely would you be to text someone you just met saying, I like you, we should be friends. Let's spend a few hours together this weekend. The other condition, I like you, let's be friends, let's watch a game this weekend. Women, equally. Because, like, spend a few hours together, you could do lots of things. Men, only watching a game. It is one of the few socially acceptable things that we're like, that's totally normal for dudes to get together and watch a game. But to go for a hike together is less so.

44:10To go shopping together, less so. And that's why Todd and his colleagues have begun a new project called the Fandom and Social Connection Initiative. The goal of this research initiative is to test whether sports watching could be a solution to the male connection crisis. One of the things that surprised me as we started diving into sports fandom is that 100 million people every week watch an NFL game. Half of them watch by themselves. So it seems like given that watching a game together is so normal, that maybe we can get people to watch games together and that will make them feel more connected.

44:43Todd's experiment was simple. He just found people who said they were planning to watch a game by themselves. He then told them, Hey, why don't you ask somebody to watch with you? Who would you ask? How would you ask them? And so the first finding is that 45 % of people in the treatment group end up actually watching with someone relative to the control group. That is anyone who's done experiments. That is a huge effect in social science. It's ridiculous. And then, unsurprisingly, and this is the whole point, they feel much more connected to others. while they're watching the game. They enjoy it a lot more than they thought they would.

45:18And in future weeks, the treatment group is way more likely than the control group to watch with others, meaning like they didn't realize it, but they enjoy the game more when they watch it with others. And so they have recurring social experiences. The simple nudge of asking men to watch sports together gets them to keep connecting week after week. And that's why Todd thinks that watching sports together can be the easy hack our society needs for getting men to invest in the strong ties that lead to deeper bromances. Todd also says that sports fandom can provide a natural opportunity to reconnect with people you've drifted away from.

45:53Whether it's family or friends, it's just an excuse to, you know, keep the connections alive. I have these incredible stories of people who were like, I went to college with this person, lost touch. 20 years later, the team was in the final four. And so they texted their friend like, hey, Haven't talked to you in a while. Good to see our guys in the Final Four or our women in the Final Four. And then it led to this reconnection. Like, it's an excuse to be in touch with people. This is why Todd thinks that fandom can be a nearly universal way to solve men's connection crisis. I don't want to say universal because 25 % of Americans have not become fans yet.

46:31But hopefully we can change that because it's good for them. But if you're still not convinced about the connected power of sports, fear not. Because Todd thinks you can embrace the power of fandom, even if you have no interest in the Eagles or other professional sports. What's cool about sports fandom is it's an entry point for conversation that can lead to bigger things. But that's true of any fandom. It doesn't have to be sports fandom. I have friends who are really into Comic-Con in San Diego. They go out there and they dress up and they do it year over year. They make friends there. So like just being a fan of something, just engaging with something that has a recurring feature has a lot of the benefits.

47:10But Todd also says that if you're not a sports fan yet, it's easy to change that. He thinks you should just pick a random team. Ideally, he would tell you the Philadelphia Eagles and then just choose to become a fan. He's seen that this technique works better than most people think. I have a friend who is a nerdy neuroimaging researcher that you might know who lives in Philly. Very good friend. So I can call him nerdy. And he for years resisted becoming an Eagles fan. And I kept being on him like, you can't live in Philly and not be an Eagles fan. It's just not good for you or your kids. Again, he's one of those, it's ridiculous.

47:48It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. So then one year I finally broke through and he's like, I'm going to try it. and he quote says it is the most surprisingly positive thing he has done in his entire life choosing to be an Eagles fan so now he watches with his kids at Wawa people approach him when he's wearing his gear and at work he's surprised by how many of his fellow nerds actually if he's wearing gear want to talk to him about it but the thing that that he noted to me was he was also surprised at the low barrier to entry Todd's work has convinced me that sports fandom might be an effective low-lift strategy for fighting the male connection crisis by meeting guys where they're at.

48:27And so I couldn't help but ask my favorite 80s idol what he thought about Todd's idea. Turns out bromance expert Andrew McCarthy, who, by his own admission, is not much of an athlete, has also recognized the connective power of sports. Like, if I meet a dude and I like him and I want to sort of get to know him, I'm never going to say, whereas my wife might, you want to have a cup of coffee sometime? A guy is never going to do that. But it's when you play golf? I'm really bad. Oh, me too. You want to go play golf one time? I think there really is something in that. Andrew found that sports can even help guys break through one of the biggest barriers to connection that he observed on his journey, those traditional male gender norms.

49:05He says that sports seems to allow even the John Wayne-iest of guys to connect more vulnerably. He was reminded of this during a touching moment of his road trip, when he stopped for lunch at a diner in Kentucky. Above his booth was a big poster of one of Kentucky's most beloved sports heroes, the racehorse Secretariat. I went instantly flashing back to when I was 10 years old, and the Secretariat won the Kentucky Derby and then eventually the Triple Crown, and I sit and watch it with my dad, who I was not close with. But for some reason, he was very interested in these horse races, and so I got interested in these horse races.

49:40And when Secretariat won the Triple Crown, I just remember leaping off the couch and just embracing, finding ourselves in this embrace. I just felt so received by him in a way that I rarely ever did. Andrew realized that watching those horse races was one of the only times that he ever felt close to his emotionally guarded father. Watching that match together seemed to allow Andrew's dad to break through the usual gender norms so that he could truly bond with his son. Seeing Secretariat's photo in that diner helped Andrew recognize that if he really wanted to complete his journey to reconnect with the men in his life, he should probably include an attempt to feel closer to his late father.

50:21Luckily, being in Kentucky gave Andrew a touching way to do that. I went out to the farm where a secretary was buried, and I wanted to go see his gravestones. I wanted to continue this moment. I knew my dad would love to have stood over that gravestone of secretariat. Sports fandom seems to have all the ingredients needed for strong ties. It creates recurring rituals. It gives people a shared history. It offers opportunities for playfulness and joy. Celebrating a game can even give guys permission to touch, hug, and be physically close in a way that traditional male gender norms often discourage.

50:55And research shows that these ingredients together can make true vulnerability feel a little less intimidating. Which is why watching sports over time can be such a huge way to not just build casual friendships, but to invest in long-term bromances. And speaking of investing in long-term bromances, I wanted to make sure we had time to share how Andrew's bromance journey ended. Before he returned home, Andrew had traveled through 22 different states, had talked to hundreds of strangers, and had learned a ton about male connection. But the true bookend of Andrew's quest happened when he was visiting the final friend on his list, a travel writing buddy who lived all the way across the country in California.

51:33I was in Berkeley with my friend Don, and we were having a coffee, After dinner, one night we were just sitting out on a cafe, watching the world go by. And my son called, and Sammy called me up, and he just plays the guitar. So he launched in and said, Dad, listen to this lick. And he started playing me this lick. And normally with my kids, I will drop the world and listen. You know, whenever they call, I answer the phone. And eventually I kind of moved to, Sammy, Sammy, that sounds great, but listen, I'm with a friend. Can I call you back tomorrow? And he was just like, really? Awesome. Okay, talk to you tomorrow.

52:06And I thought in that moment that, you know, the trip had started with him going, she don't have any friends, dad. And him kind of going, you're with a friend? Great. I'll talk to you later. I thought that was a nice sort of, it brought it full circle to me anyway. And how'd that feel? Like, did you feel like you had changed at that moment when you got to say that? I felt like me. I felt like me. And I didn't realize how much that had been lacking by not having that active connection with my friend.

52:37So that's this week's happiness hot take. Dudes today need to follow Andrew's example and invest in bromance. If you're a guy listening right now, why not take a summer road trip to the friend you haven't seen in a while? Or you can use the connective power of sports and call up a friend to watch your favorite team's next game together. Maybe you can even share an old ritual and some laughter during that hangout. But however you choose to do it, please, please work on reviving bromances before it's too late. because no matter what your gender is, you'll be happier and healthier if you commit to prioritizing the friendships you're currently taking for granted.

53:13Next week, I'll continue my happiness hot takes with a return to one of my favorite episodes from the Happiness Lab archives. I'll take on the hot take that gets me in the most hot water with my students. We'll see why money doesn't make us as happy as we assume. If you have an enemy, go buy them a lottery ticket because on the off chance that they win, their life is going to be really messed up. That's next week on The Happiness Lab with me, Dr. Laurie Santos.

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