F.C.C. Head Says Kimmel Not ‘the Last Shoe to Drop,’ and Musk Goes All In on A.I.

19 Sep 2025 · 15 min · 7 chapters

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In short

The episode covers (1) Trump and FCC head Brendan Carr pressuring broadcasters over “dangerous rhetoric,” including ABC pausing Jimmy Kimmel’s show; (2) CDC vaccine advisory panel confusion after Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. fired prior experts, focusing on hepatitis B vaccine timing and safety; (3) Elon Musk’s XAI push for AI dominance, including Grok’s user base and recent PR/technical stumbles; (4) three Austrian nuns escaping a retirement home back to their abbey.

Guest backgrounds

No named guests; it’s a New York Times “The Headlines” segment hosted by Tracy Mumford, with referenced reporting by colleagues (e.g., Aporva Mondavilli).

Key claims

FCC license revocation could follow a “public interest” standard; hepatitis B vaccine is safe and should protect newborns; XAI’s Grok has 64M monthly users but has had chaotic turnover and bot failures; the nuns’ “escape” is disputed but they’re back.

Notable examples

ABC affiliates dropping Kimmel; CDC panel considering restricting hepatitis B vaccination; Grok generating genocide/anti-Semitic content; nuns using a locksmith to return to the abbey.

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Chapters

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Gun Violence Awareness

0:00 to 0:30

Discusses the importance of conversations about gun violence and its impact on youth.

“Gun injuries are the leading cause of death for children and teens in the United States.”

Trump's Media Pressure

0:45 to 3:22

Analysis of President Trump's comments on revoking licenses for negative media coverage.

“They give me wholly bad publicity or press.”

Kimmel's Suspension Fallout

3:22 to 5:47

Discussion on the impact of Jimmy Kimmel's suspension and responses from late-night hosts.

“For the moment, Kimmel's show is only paused, not canceled.”

Vaccine Meeting Confusion

5:47 to 7:54

Details the confusion in a CDC vaccine advisory panel meeting.

“They already voted against vaccinating children under four with a combination shot that protects against measles, mumps, rubella, and chickenpox.”

Elon Musk's A.I. Ventures

7:54 to 10:10

Explores Elon Musk's focus on his A.I. startup, XAI, and its challenges.

“This week, he tried to reassure anyone nervous about that, writing on X, quote, Daddy is very much home.”

Nuns on the Run

10:10 to 14:01

A light-hearted story about three nuns escaping a retirement home in Austria.

“Special thanks to Isabella Anderson, Larissa Anderson, Jake Lucas, Zoe Murphy, Katie O 'Brien, and Paula Schumann.”

World Stone Skimming Championships Overview

14:01 to 14:52

Learn about the unique rules and recent controversies of the World Stone Skimming Championships.

“This year, hundreds of contestants gathered for the annual World Stone Skimming Championships.”
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0:00Gun injuries are the leading cause of death for children and teens in the United States. Some people avoid talking about gun violence because they don't think they can make a difference. But every conversation matters. When it comes to gun violence, we agree on more than we think. And having productive conversations about gun violence can help protect children and teens. Learn how to have the conversation at AgreedToAgree.org. Brought to you by the Ad Council. From the New York Times, it's the headlines. I'm Tracy Mumford. Today's Friday, September 19th. Here's what we're covering.

0:41Take a look. All they do is they're licensed. They're not allowed to do that. They're an arm of the Democrat Party. President Trump has ratcheted up his efforts to silence his critics, telling reporters last night on Air Force One that federal regulators should consider revoking the licenses of broadcasters that air negative coverage of him. They give me wholly bad publicity or press. I mean, if they're getting a license, I would think maybe their license should be taken away. It will be up to Brendan Carr. Trump's remarks came as Brendan Carr, the head of the Federal Communications Commission, and others in the administration, have been seizing on the killing of Charlie Kirk to target liberal groups and media outlets, claiming they've spread dangerous rhetoric.

1:29Earlier this week, under pressure from Carr, some ABC affiliates dropped Jimmy Kimmel's late-night show over his comments about the MAGA movement and the suspect in Kirk's assassination. ABC then announced it was pausing Kimmel's program indefinitely. You suggested this could be the start. Can you tell me more? Yeah, I don't think this is the last shoe to drop. This is a massive shift that's taking place in the media ecosystem, and I think the consequences are going to continue to flow. Moving forward, Carr has said that he's ready to invoke a rarely used FCC standard known as public interest to potentially strip licenses from networks which, in the administration's view, have a liberal bias that does not serve the public.

2:09If the FCC does do that, it would almost certainly face First Amendment challenges. The escalating effort by Trump and his team to go after critics is a stark 180 from his campaign promises to wipe out so-called cancel culture. Never again will the immense power of the state be weaponized to persecute political opponents. In his inaugural address, Trump said he would, quote, stop all government censorship and bring back free speech to America. Meanwhile. Welcome one and all to The Late Show. I'm your host, Stephen Colbert. But tonight we are all Jimmy Kimmel. Last night, the other big names in late night weighed in for the first time since Kimmel's suspension and accused ABC of bowing to government pressure.

3:00We have another fun, hilarious administration-compliant show. Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and David Letterman all said they see the country sliding towards autocracy, echoing widespread warnings from Democratic lawmakers and even some on the right. And you can't go around firing somebody because you're fearful or trying to suck up to an authoritarian criminal administration in the Oval Office. That's just not how this works. For the moment, Kimmel's show is only paused, not canceled. And The Times has learned that network executives are trying to find a path for him to return to the air.

3:52At the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention yesterday, a meeting of an advisory panel on vaccines devolved into confusion. All the former panel experts were fired this summer by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who replaced them with a group that largely shares his skeptical stance on vaccines. A handful of them were only announced this week, and in a sign of how hastily everything's been put together, many of them needed explanations on how the meetings go and the design of scientific studies. A key issue up for discussion was the hepatitis B vaccine, which Kennedy has claimed incorrectly was not tested properly.

4:31Secretary Kennedy and his allies have been saying that the hepatitis B vaccine is unsafe, but the experts I've been talking to say that that's not really the case and there's no data to indicate that it's unsafe. My colleague Aporva Mondavilli was at the CDC to cover the meeting. Right now, the shot is given at birth to make sure that every single child is protected from hepatitis B. And that's because it's not always possible to tell whether the mother is infected already. You know, you can get a false negative test result. It may be that the mother has not been seeking prenatal care and there just isn't enough time at that point to test her while she's giving birth.

5:07So there are a lot of reasons that you want to vaccinate the child at birth, according to the experts I've talked to. Aporva says the hepatitis B shot is credited with nearly eliminating the transmission of the disease from mother to baby in the U.S., slashing it from 20 ,000 cases a year in the early 90s to 20. At the CDC, the vaccine panel discussed the topic for hours yesterday, and Aporva says they seem inclined to restrict who gets it, limiting it to just newborns whose mothers are known to be infected with hepatitis B or waiting until babies are a month old. Public health experts say that will likely lead to new cases in infants.

5:46The panel will vote on it today. They already voted against vaccinating children under four with a combination shot that protects against measles, mumps, rubella, and chickenpox. That's unlikely to have widespread consequences, though, because it's more common for kids to get those vaccines separately, and those recommendations didn't change.

6:12In Silicon Valley, the Times has been looking into what Elon Musk has been doing since he's stepped back from his role in the federal government. And my colleagues have found that in the past few months, Musk has gone all in on his artificial intelligence startup, XAI, working in frenzied all-day spurts at the company's offices in Palo Alto, sometimes even sleeping there. He's leading an aggressive push to try and get XAI to catch up with its competitors. The company says its chatbot, Grok, has about 64 million monthly users, compared to the roughly 700 million people who use ChatGPT every week.

6:50But according to people the Times talked with who are familiar with the company's work recently, things have been a little chaotic, with a flurry of staff turnover and some embarrassing public stumbles. For example, after Musk criticized the chatbot for being too woke, An engineer scrambled to change the code, which caused Grok to start randomly bringing up claims about genocide in South Africa. The company fixed that, but later Musk installed new deputies who pushed to make Grok's responses edgier, hoping that would make its answers go viral. That also ended in a PR crisis after Grok started spewing anti-Semitic remarks and referring to itself as Mecca Hitler.

7:33In a rare company-wide meeting this week, Musk told his employees that he wants them to keep pushing forward on the chatbot technology, while also previewing plans to build a Microsoft competitor he's calling macro hard. Musk's intense focus on XAI has raised questions about how much time he's spending on his other companies, including Tesla, where investors have been concerned that his lack of focus is hurting the company. This week, he tried to reassure anyone nervous about that, writing on X, quote, Daddy is very much home.

8:12And finally. Three homesick nuns are on the run in Austria tonight. Nuns on the run, making a confession. In Austria, three nuns, all in their 80s, have become the story to watch. Sister Bernadette, Sister Rita, and Sister Regina have become heroines. It's been billed as a great escape and a daring plot. It starts at an abbey, tucked in the Alps in a castle from the Middle Ages. The three women are the last surviving members of the order there. They expected to take their last breaths in the abbey and have their names carved on the wall like all the sisters before them. But more than a year ago, they were moved out after the convent got a new manager.

8:53He says the old building was no longer safe and that the nuns went willingly. The nuns do not agree. They landed at a retirement home in a nearby town, and they were miserable. The rooms were small, they missed their garden, and for the first time since they took their vows 60-plus years ago, they were asked to eat regularly with men. Their distress was clear, people noticed, including a group of former students the nuns used to teach at the abbey. They came together to hatch a plan to free the nuns. This month, with the help of a locksmith, the sisters got back into the abbey. There was some confusion with the police, the question of whether or not they broke in, and the fact that the retirement home reported them missing.

9:37But the nuns are still there, and their supporters have been documenting their homecoming online as they try to make the abbey livable again. They've got the power back on, they're cleaning things up, and people are bringing food by. There's even an Instagram account with updates on all of this, with tens of thousands of followers. The nuns, for their part, told The Times that they're enjoying all the attention, but that they mostly just want to get back to normal life in their old home.

10:03Those are the headlines. But if you want to play the Friday News Quiz, stick around. It's just after these credits. This show is made by Will Jarvis, Jessica Metzger, Jan Stewart, and me, Tracy Mumford. Original theme by Dan Powell. Special thanks to Isabella Anderson, Larissa Anderson, Jake Lucas, Zoe Murphy, Katie O 'Brien, and Paula Schumann. Now, time for the quiz. Every week, we ask you a few questions about stories The Times has been covering. Can you answer them all? First up, the Trump administration has announced that it's making the U.S. citizenship test harder, part of the president's efforts to restrict immigration.

10:43The test is one of the final hurdles for the hundreds of thousands of people who become American citizens every year. The updated version will contain more complex questions and more of them. We're going to ask you a few of the questions from the current online study guide, Speed Round Style. Let's see how you do. Here we go. How many senators does each state have? Two. How long is a term for a senator?

11:14Six years. How many amendments does the Constitution have?

11:2227. The words life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are from what founding document? Declaration of Independence. And what territory did the U.S. buy from France in 1803?

11:41That is the Louisiana Territory. So, nice, or, I guess, depending on how you did there. At the moment, the vast majority of applicants who take the test do make it through. There's a pass rate of 91%.

11:59Okay, next question. This week, one of the co-founders of an iconic American brand resigned, saying he was being silenced by the brand's parent company. He's walking away now after almost 50 years, even though his name is on the packaging. Who am I talking about?

12:20Hint, it's not Ben. The answer, Jerry Greenfield of Ben & Jerry's. The half-baked, chunky monkey, Cherry Garcia duo have been known for their social activism ever since the company was founded in the 70s. And they've spoken out about everything from criminal justice reform to support for Palestinians. Ben, why are you getting arrested? Move down the hallway. Congress kills poor kids in Gaza by buying bombs. Ben was even handcuffed earlier this year for protesting at a Senate hearing. He and Jerry have had growing tension with the corporate giant Unilever since it bought the ice cream brand more than two decades ago.

13:01Recently, they accused the company of trying to prevent Ben & Jerry's from calling for a ceasefire in the war in Gaza, which Unilever denies.

13:13And last question. Recently, a scandal with accusations of cheating rocked an annual sporting event. I'm using sporting loosely here. No offense to the competitors. It is pretty niche. We're going to play you some tips and tricks from experts in this obscure field. See if you can guess what it is. Weather's beautiful today. There's not much wind. So let's see what we can do. Got a really good spot to hold on right here. You can put a lot of spin on it. I'm going to stand sideways and sling it down low. So my release is low and spinning. The rough bumpy side, that'll be facing up. What is this competition?

13:55The answer? Each gentleman choose one stone. Rock skimming. One stone each. Very simple. Furthest wins. This year, hundreds of contestants gathered for the annual World Stone Skimming Championships. But several people were disqualified after allegedly doctoring their rocks to make them rounder. The rules say only stones that were naturally formed can be used, and you have to find them yourself on the Scottish island where the competition takes place. One quick clarification that I just had to learn. Do not call this event rock skipping. That is an entirely different sport, where you go for the most possible skips across the water.

14:38Rock skimming is all about distance, seeing how far you can get the rock to go. A frequent winner of the competition told the Times, quote, quote, it's a really useless life skill, but I seem to have it. That's it for the news quiz. Our email, as always, is theheadlines at nytimes.com if you want to send us your score or challenge a friend. Share the quiz with them. See how they do. I'm Tracy Mumford. The Headlines will be back on Monday.

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On Today’s Episode:

Trump Pressures Broadcasters Over Critical Coverage, Escalating Attack on Speech, by Zolan Kanno-Youngs

Kennedy’s Advisory Panel Votes to Limit M.M.R.V. Vaccine for Children Under 4, by Apoorva Mandavilli

Since Leaving Washington, Elon Musk Has Been All In on His A.I. Company, by Cade Metz, Kate Conger and Ryan Mac

The Plot to Free the Nuns, by Christopher F. Schuetze and Jim Tankersley

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