A papal visit and German reunification

28 Mar 2026 · 1 h 1 min · 28 chapters

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In short

The episode is about four history stories: Pope John Paul II’s 1986 visit to Auckland (including Maori and Polish community celebrations and political symbolism), the fall of the Berlin Wall and German reunification in 1989–1990, a Maasai community’s struggle with drought in Kenya and their climate-resilience response, and the first recorded full walk of the Great Wall of China in the 1980s. It also includes a sports segment on the first official professional penalty shootout (Hull City vs Manchester United, 5 Aug 1970) and a food-media segment on Anthony Bourdain’s rise after a New Yorker essay.

Guests and backgrounds

Max Pearson (host). Jandale (reports on the Pope visit; speaks with Michael Jaka, a Polish-dance participant). Paulina Guzik (Catholic Wire Service OSV editor). Jacqueline Payne (Berlin Wall/reunification narrator; interviews Joachim Bitterlich, Kohl advisor). Megan Jones (Kenya climate story; interviews Dalmas Tiampati). Rebecca Kesby (Great Wall story; interviews Yao Hui Dong). Phil Jones (football segment; interviews Frankie Banks and Martin Kelly). Surya Elango (Bourdain segment).

Key claims/examples

John Paul II used global travel to evangelize; reunification accelerated after a mistaken travel-restriction announcement; Maasai drought caused “ecological, social and economic collapse,” prompting land restoration and a “cow equity programme”; Yao Hui Dong’s 16-month trek began in 1984 and became a national-hero story; penalty shootout formalized after FIFA’s 27 June 1970 decision; Bourdain’s New Yorker essay (“Don’t Eat Before Reading This”) sparked his fame.

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Fall of the Berlin Wall and Reunification

2:05 to 2:26

Discussion on the historical events surrounding the Berlin Wall's fall.

“People were understanding this is the end of this regime and let's use it.”

Courage of the Maasai During Drought

2:26 to 2:52

Exploration of the Maasai people's struggles in a drought.

“Plus a long trek along the Great Wall of China.”

Journey Along the Great Wall of China

2:52 to 3:18

A personal narrative about walking along the Great Wall of China.

“But first, popes have been making and shaping history for millennia.”

Pope John Paul's Visit to New Zealand

3:18 to 4:12

Details of Pope John Paul II's 1986 visit to New Zealand and its significance.

“Jendale takes us back to the 22nd of November 1986, when Pope John Paul visited New Zealand as part of a whirlwind six-nation tour.”

Preparations for the Papal Visit

4:12 to 5:56

Personal accounts of preparation for the Pope's visit from a participant's perspective.

“They work hard in the months before to get everything perfect.”

The Atmosphere of the Papal Mass

5:56 to 7:15

Describing the day of the papal Mass and the atmosphere created by attendees.

“All those sort of silly things you think when somebody important is coming along.”

Cultural and Political Significance

7:15 to 10:10

Discussion on how the papal visit intertwined with political sentiments in Poland.

“he was going over to the Mass and he just stopped to watch for probably about a minute or so, if that.”

Pope John Paul II's Legacy

10:10 to 12:00

Examination of John Paul II's influence on faith and culture worldwide.

“You'd have either got thumped over the head or you'd have been arrested and ordered to remove it.”

John Paul II and Peaceful Revolution

12:00 to 14:03

Analyzing John Paul II's role in advocating for peaceful change during turbulent times.

“Paulina Guzik is international editor at the Catholic Wire Service OSB.”

Pope John Paul II's Impact on Peace

14:03 to 16:42

Learn how Pope John Paul II influenced peaceful revolutions and interfaith dialogue.

“And when Pope John Paul II died in 2005, I mean, I remember being in St.”
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The Fall of the Berlin Wall

16:42 to 20:43

Discover the events surrounding the fall of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Germany.

“Jacqueline Payne takes us back to 1989, when the symbolic collapse of communism took the world completely by surprise and paved the way for East and West Germany to become one country again in less than a year.”

Kohl's Vision for a Unified Germany

20:43 to 22:51

Explore Helmut Kohl's strategic diplomacy leading to Germany's reunification.

“Three weeks later, Helmut Kohl sets out his route map for a united Germany.”

The Treaty for Unity

22:51 to 24:13

Learn about the treaty that restored Germany's sovereignty and led to unification.

“We needed George Bush senior to overcome Margaret Thatcher's resistance.”

Reflections on Post-Unification Germany

24:13 to 25:34

Understand the social changes in Germany following the reunification process.

“with Berlin eventually restored as its capital city.”

Struggles of a Maasai Community

26:52 to 28:00

Hear about the challenges faced by a Maasai community due to climate change.

“and the man who wanted to know more about the Great Wall of China.”

Life of the Maasai: Tradition and Challenges

28:00 to 28:55

Explore the traditional lifestyle of the Maasai people and the challenges they face from climate change.

“We enjoyed milk, lamb, beef, braised and cooked in a traditional way.”

The Impact of Drought on Community

28:56 to 30:52

Learn about the severe impact of prolonged droughts on the Maasai community and their livelihoods.

“they are becoming more intense and severe.”

Resilience and Adaptation Efforts

30:53 to 33:31

Discover how the Maasai are adapting to climate change and the steps they're taking to ensure survival.

“It's an ecological, social and economic collapse for the Maasai.”

Ildala Leketuk: A New Approach to Development

33:32 to 34:52

Learn about the establishment of a non-profit organization aimed at restoring the Maasai way of life.

“I think it's something that is becoming more and more serious.”

Dalmas' Journey: Advocacy and Hope

34:53 to 35:38

Follow Dalmas Tiampati's journey as he advocates for his community and shares their story globally.

“Two years after they began, the land and the people start to respond.”

Walking the Great Wall: A Historic Expedition

35:45 to 39:25

Explore the first recorded expedition to walk the entire Great Wall of China and the challenges faced.

“In 2017, Rebecca Kesby heard from Yao Hoi Dong about the first known mission to walk along the entire ancient landmark.”

Life Along the Wall: Stories of Perseverance

39:26 to 42:00

Hear about the daily struggles and triumphs of the team as they traverse the Great Wall.

“The focus had been on forging ahead and forgetting about the old ways and customs.”

Yao Huidong's Expedition Across the Great Wall

42:00 to 44:22

Learn about Yao Huidong's journey and the challenges of his expedition.

“so that if the first wall fell, there were reinforcements behind it.”

The Story of the First Official Penalty Shootout

44:22 to 53:30

Discover the significance of the first official penalty shootout in football history.

“Phil Jones takes us back to 1970, in the company of men who were there for an event which changed the beautiful game.”

The Impact of Anthony Bourdain's New Yorker Essay

53:30 to 56:02

Explore how Anthony Bourdain's essay transformed the restaurant and food writing landscape.

“The dessert after our smorgasbord of past events, if you like.”

The Evolution of Restaurant Writing

56:02 to 1:00:07

Explore how Anthony Bourdain revolutionized food writing with authenticity.

“In 1999, the top restaurants in the US and Europe were still in the era of fine dining.”

Bourdain's Impact and Legacy

1:00:07 to 1:01:44

Learn about Anthony Bourdain's influence on the culinary world and celebrity chefs.

“and strangers all over the world invited him into their kitchens to break bread with them.”

Reflections on Bourdain's Life

1:01:44 to 1:02:13

Hear personal memories and reflections on Bourdain's lasting impact.

“His TV programs, books and essays are still enjoyed.”
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1:55Hello and welcome to the History Hour, this week's stories and characters, as featured on Witness History here on the BBC World Service, with me, Max Pearson. Coming up, the extraordinary events surrounding the fall of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Germany. The history was suddenly accelerating. People were understanding this is the end of this regime and let's use it. Freedom is the word, Freiheit. Also the courage of the Maasai in Kenya when confronted by dying cattle in a drought. It's an ecological, social and economic collapse of the Maasai. It basically means death. Plus a long trek along the Great Wall of China.

2:36And I began to think, I bet no one has ever walked along the whole thing before. If I could do that and document what I see, that would be a really meaningful contribution to our nation's history. And how Anthony Bourdain reinvented the art of writing about food. All his writing reflected more the noise, the pressure, the craziness, the sweat, the burn, everything that is going on in the kitchen. But first, popes have been making and shaping history for millennia. But in the last century, it was Pope John Paul II who set a very high standard in terms of his visibility and connection with the world's more than one billion Roman Catholics.

3:18Jendale takes us back to the 22nd of November 1986, when Pope John Paul visited New Zealand as part of a whirlwind six-nation tour. It's Pope John Paul's longest ever foreign tour, and it also promises to be his most gruelling. Over a two-week period, he's scheduled to travel more than 30 ,000 miles visiting Bangladesh, Singapore, Fiji, New Zealand, Australia and the Seychelles. The vast expanse of Auckland City's largest and oldest recreational area, the Domain, is today a sea of faces looking towards a papal throne set on the special purple-carpeted stage. Thousands of people are here in celebration of the visit of Pope John Paul II.

3:59One of those carefully preparing for this historic event, as reported by Radio New Zealand, is Michael Jaka. Michael is half Polish and is part of a dance group who want to give the Polish-born pontiff a little taste of home. They work hard in the months before to get everything perfect. They made wooden crosses which had a message of welcome to the Pope. And we all helped out, sort of like on a production line, making those things and that, sewing Polish flags and getting Vatican flags and things and making the costumes and just going to practices every Sunday afternoon. I remember going to those.

4:33Great fun. The women's costumes, basically they were a white blouse with thin red ribbons and they wore a black bodice that was very heavily embroidered with sequins and diamantes and things like that. My costume was what they called the Krakowian costume. The hat was like a university cap. It was red, black band and it had peacock feathers which stood up, and a blue jacket, it was a sleeveless jacket that sort of went down to about your knee length, patterns of like roosters and various other traditional Polish figures and that. Then the trousers were striped and then you wore either socks or boots below that.

5:07It was very, very colourful. And you just felt so proud being in that costume. The day arrives that Michael has been waiting for, and despite it turning wet and windy later in the tour at Wellington and Christchurch, the sun shines down in Auckland. So it was a bit of cloud. I know when we were processing down to the Domain from where we'd parked the cars and everything, it was a bit cloudy and that. But yeah, the cloud had sort of rolled away and during the mass it was a really beautiful warm day. But it wasn't hot so as to be uncomfortable, which was really nice. But it was just a beautiful sunny Auckland day.

5:39Thousands of people turn out at the Domain. It was reported as the largest open air mass in New Zealand at the time. who was sort of, what would you call it, apprehensive, I suppose. What would he do? What would he say? What did he look like? I remember we talked about him. Was he tall? Was he small? Was he big? All those sort of silly things you think when somebody important is coming along. Are they going to stop and talk to you? What do they say? What do you say to them? All those sort of things. People were just really getting into the groove, enjoying the fact that this person had come, the head of the church, But people came from miles around, literally, to the domain.

6:20There's special trains run from Hamilton and things like that. Buses came from all over the place bringing people. At a Maori ceremony in Auckland, the Pope received a traditional challenge from warriors. Once accepted, he was welcomed in true Maori fashion. At a mass later, the Pope praised Maori culture. There is also traditional dancing by members of the Polish community, which means Michael is only yards away from Pope John Paul II as he walks to the stage where the Mass will be celebrated. He had to walk past us and we got the cue, right, he's coming. So there were two dancers. We did a very popular Polish dance called the Krakowiak and the other one was a Polonaise dance to Chopin music.

7:01And they said, well, when you run out, just do them again. And we just did them all. We did the Polonaise, Krakowiak, Polonaise, Krakowiak and just kept doing it. So he came along and it was really great. He walked along with his entourage, with the bishops and cardinals and priests and that, he was going over to the Mass and he just stopped to watch for probably about a minute or so, if that. That famous smile he was renowned for, he just broke into this huge smile and he spoke, he just said beautiful, lovely, so it reminded him of home. Michael's father is involved in the actual service, which means Michael has a prime vantage point for the Mass.

7:38We had an excellent view thanks to Dad. We were about probably 50 metres at the most, maybe 20 metres from where the altar was. We had a terrific view. We didn't even need binoculars. I remember Dad saying when they had the planning meetings they had all the maps laid out on the table of where everything was going to be and the Maori people, they had the area almost right in front of the altar and everything and we were immediately to the left of them. And of course being so good with languages, he did it all in English, which was fabulous, so that made it really easy to follow, easy to understand and that.

8:10In the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. His outer vestment was white. and he wore his mitre and everything like that but I mean he didn't celebrate Mass with that on he took it off when he got up onto the stage. It was just so moving seeing this person all in white leading everybody and all the Catholic people just thousands and thousands of people just so enthused and following you know and I think it was genuine for many many people this following of it. It wasn't sort of oh the Pope says it let's do it sort of thing. I think it was a bit more than that. It was very uplifting spiritually, very much so, knowing that you were being guided and directed by the head of the church, you know, the number one.

8:54Dear brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, I rejoice to be in your midst. Indeed, I rejoice that it has been possible for me to come to God's house here, that is, to the people of God, the Church of Auckland, the Church in New Zealand. Photographs of the time show some members of the crowd took the religious occasion as a chance to demonstrate their political beliefs, alongside flags as some banners of the Polish Solidarity Trade Union. It encouraged protest against the government and was banned by the communist authorities in the Pope's home country. For Michael, who'd visited Poland just a few years before, it was important to show support publicly.

9:54If I wore a Solidarity button or a T-shirt, I would have more than likely been arrested over there because when I was there, I remember in 1984-85, the only place you would see Solidarity ephemera and things like that was within the church. But if you stepped outside wearing something Solidarity, You'd have either got thumped over the head or you'd have been arrested and ordered to remove it. We had the freedom to do it here, and also being so far away, we were showing our solidarity with the Poles who were still in the country. In New Zealand, the Pope has called on world leaders to put ideological issues aside and promote world peace.

10:31Christ's love breaks down the hostility and parils that keep people divided from one another. The world was in quite a bit of turmoil in 1986, especially in his homeland and in Europe. But his message to us was, yes, was to live in peace, live in harmony with each other, but also do not lose sight of your faith. Michael's faith has led him to a papal audience in Rome with Pope Francis in 2018. But the open-air Mass with Pope John Paul II at Auckland Domain more than 30 years before, remains a highlight of his life. It really awakened in me two things, an evaluation of my faith, which I've kept going, and also it awakened an interest in my culture.

11:17I sort of never really felt an affinity with the Polish culture. It was just sort of something different. We had a funny surname, but it meant a lot more than that after this visit because this visit pulled people together. Even though I was a Catholic and sort of had almost what you might say a right to be there, and the same like being a Polish Catholic, having a right to be there, it was just so special to be there and to be part of the group that was involved with the dance, wear the national costume and things. I know it sounds maybe a bit tokenist, but to me it was very special. I felt very privileged to be there.

11:53Michael Yarko was speaking to Jandale. Pope John Paul II crisscrossed the globe during his papacy and remains the only pontiff to have visited New Zealand. Paulina Guzik is international editor at the Catholic Wire Service OSB. So what was it, Paulina, about John Paul II that made him want to be a pontiff who went out to so many countries? Well, you know, I think that the primary reason why he wanted to be out there is that he wanted to evangelize. He wanted the message of the gospel to reach every person on the planet. and he knew especially that he was from Poland and I'm also originally from Poland so my heart is definitely with the Polish Pope on that one.

12:35You know we were at the time a tightly closed country. We couldn't visit other countries. I as a child was not traveling to Western Europe because we didn't have passports. So he wanted to be there with the people and he spent two and a half years of his pontificate traveling the globe. I mean we can't cover all the trips but of course a very special one, was the return to Poland. Yes, the first return to Poland happened in June 1979. The communists did not agree so that the Pope comes for this famous St. Stanisław procession in May. So the Pope said, okay, so next possible time frame is June.

13:13How about that? And it turned out that it was Pentecost. And Pentecost, of course, in the Catholic Church means descending of the Holy Spirit. And Holy Spirit is someone who enlightens the word and someone who brings change to the world and to nations of this world. So John Paul II really brought this change. And I think the pivotal moment was mass at Victory Square, what was then Victory Square, and today it's Piłsudski Square in central Warsaw, where he said, do not be afraid and ask the Holy Spirit to renew the face of the earth, the face of this land. So he highlighted for the Poles that they are capable of changing their country, but bringing the gospel message to the country, he urged Poles to change, but to change the country peacefully.

14:07And when Pope John Paul II died in 2005, I mean, I remember being in St. Peter's Square in Rome, hundreds of thousands of people poured into Rome, and it was noticeable how young so many of them were, which reflects, if you like, a generation of Catholics renewed by his papacy. And that's a really significant legacy. I mean, I think he left a generation of people who not only believed he was a saint, but they believed he changed their lives. And I think it's a recollection of many people across the planet that he just changed their own fate, but also the fate of their countries. And it's not only a case of Poland, because, of course, what started with June 1979 and subsequently starting Solidarity Movement, but it also affected countries around Poland.

14:56I mean, John Paul II, along with President Reagan and Prime Minister Thatcher, were really responsible for starting a peaceful revolution in the whole region and subsequently led to the fall of communism. And we're not only talking about Poland, we're talking about Nicaragua, where John Paul arrives in 1983 and brings this message of liberation from the regime, but a gospel message, again, in Chile at the end of the 80s. So wherever he travels, he brings a message to the gospel, which subsequently brings democracy to those places. Promoting the gospel, but he was also inclusive in a different way, in that he would reach out to touch sick people, to be inclusive towards those groups, but also reaching out to promote more harmony between faiths.

15:46Yes, absolutely. I think that he was a messenger of peace, and not only peace in terms of no war, but of peace in terms of dialogue. We remember very well the Pope visiting the synagogue in Rome. We remember his meeting in Assisi. We remember his meetings with Muslim leaders. And I think those were, you know, at a time, it also brought scandal. Like, how can the Pope do that? And I think that this scandal really turned out to more dialogue and pushing the boundaries for the peaceful message of, I want to dialogue with you. You are my brothers. That's Paulina Guzik, international editor at the Catholic Wire Service OSV.

16:34Next, one of the defining events of the late 20th century, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Germany. Jacqueline Payne takes us back to 1989, when the symbolic collapse of communism took the world completely by surprise and paved the way for East and West Germany to become one country again in less than a year. It's the evening of the 9th of November 1989, and at checkpoints along the Berlin Wall, East German border guards are overwhelmed by crowds of people after a government official mistakenly announces the lifting of all travel restrictions. People took this literally and they opened the wall that night.

17:15History was suddenly accelerating. People were understanding this is the end of this regime and let's use it. Freedom is the word. Freiheit. That's Joachim Bitterlich, at the time European advisor to German Chancellor Helmut Kohl. He's watching events unfold from Kohl's office in Bonn, as reported by the BBC. This is the middle of the checkpoint. The police are making no attempt to stop people. The gates have been thrown open and thousands of people are pouring over to take a look at a West. In some cases, their first look. And the elation is enormous. But Cole himself isn't here. He's on an official visit to Poland.

17:57And there's a frantic few hours as his team try to reach him. At that time we had no mobile phone, we had no internet. We had to pass through, let's call it, the international channels of phoning. We tried to reach the German embassy and also the German embassy for the waiter responding in Polish. And then we got a call during a reception. the spokesman said to him, Chancellor, the wall is open. And the Chancellor was saying, well, are you clear about what's happening in Bonn? And his answer was, we are just following German TV and we see the pictures of people passing the border controls without any real control because this for the first time after 25, 26 years that the wall was really opening.

18:42Returning to West Berlin the following evening, Kohl sets out his vision for the future of Germany.

18:52He's telling the world we are one nation and we belong together. By 1989, hopes were fading on both sides of the wall that their countries would ever be unified again, resigning themselves to two separate states after East and West Germany were split in 1949. Helmut Kohl had never given up on his dream of a united Germany, but what people didn't know was that just months earlier he'd raised the issue with the Soviet president, Mikhail Gorbachev. In June, during Gorbachev's visit to Germany, the first real debate between Gorbachev and Kohl about German reunification. During, let's call it a private part of this meeting, when they were walking through the park around the Chancellor's office in Bonn, Gorbachev was sticking to his view that the German separation will remain as it is, explaining to him, using a symbol in order to explain a problem.

19:52He was speaking about the River Rhine going down to the North Sea. And the Rhine, with its problems, with its floods, someone could try to stop it, but the Rhine was continuing to flood down. And Kohl said to him, well, the same applies to some extent to German unification. For the moment, it's like a flood, it's going on, but there will be moments where we will have to reflect and to reflect about European unity and German unity. It will happen, the only question is when. In the background are immense fears that an enlarged Germany could again destabilise Europe. But on 9th November, Kohl spots a window of opportunity and seizes on his chance to redraw the map of Europe.

20:43Three weeks later, Helmut Kohl sets out his route map for a united Germany.

21:10about reunification. Parts of the team were sceptical about. That apprehension is also growing amongst the World War II allies. The 1945 Potsdam Agreement says the US, the UK, France and the Soviet Union must give consent for reunited Germany. The USA is quick to support reunification and Cole offers concessions to France, reassuring President Mitterrand that reunification would not pose a threat. But by December 1989, Europe is split, with opposition not just from the UK, but the Netherlands and Italy too. The famous day in Strasbourg, which has been for call one of the most difficult European councils he has ever been heading, where Margaret Thatcher was, let's say, the opposition to German unification, supported by the Dutch Prime Minister, Wood Lovers, and supported by the Italian Prime Minister of that time, Julian de Rieti.

22:12But the rest of the Europeans were saying, OK, go on. After democratic elections in East Germany in March 1990, the Soviet Union's Mikhail Gorbachev finally accepts a unified Germany is inevitable. Kohl's careful diplomacy overcomes European opposition, with only the UK holding out. But Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher is not for turning. The rapid reunification plan looks like it will fall at the final hurdle. But as the clock ticks down, Helmut Kohl decides it's time to use his trump card, the President of the United States. We needed George Bush senior to overcome Margaret Thatcher's resistance.

22:56And it was George Bush phoning to Margaret Thatcher on the eve of the 12th of September to ask her, please give up now, we agree. And then Britain has given up, only then. And this was the moment where, well, the British have been, let's call it, invited by the Americans to give up. Why do you think she was willing to do it for George Bush? Well, I call this the special relationship between Britain and the US, and at the same time I call this realism. because if the most important ally is contradicting you in a decisive question, this means you could lose this ally and therefore, well, it is given up.

23:38Later that day, a treaty restoring Germany's full sovereignty is signed by both German states and the four Allied powers, paving the way for a united Germany. Good morning from Berlin on the day the last scar of the Second World War was healed. It's seven o 'clock on Wednesday the 3rd of October. This morning, Germany is one nation again. The flag of unity was raised at the Reichstag at midnight. Just 328 days after the fall of the Berlin Wall, present-day Germany was formed, with Berlin eventually restored as its capital city. I don't see any other politician of that period who would have had this courage And this long-term view of history, no one expected it.

24:26No one. Eastern Germany, well, it's not there. We would like to see it. On the other hand, if you go there, Dresden has been rebuilt, the center, and they say it's marvelous. The same applies to Leipzig, to other eastern German cities. We have a certain generation who were feeling fine in a communist regime. We say, well, it has been not as bad before, and I don't feel it's now ten times better. It has been a miracle, yes. And what we should have known, it's easier always to speak afterwards, that we will need for this tremendous task at least two generations. The East German people were proud.

25:08We have reached our freedom. We are no more, let's say, in an operative regime. Now we can breathe in a free way. Joachim Bitterlich, who served as a key advisor to Helmut Kohl until 1998. He was speaking to Jacqueline Payne. The fall of the wall was such a pivotal moment, and you can find many first-hand stories from either side of the Iron Curtain division of Europe on our website. Go to bbc.com slash witness history. The best B2B marketing gets wasted on the wrong people. So when you want to reach the right professionals, use LinkedIn ads. LinkedIn has grown to a network of over 1 billion professionals, including 130 million decision makers.

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27:04If I could do that, and document what I see, that would be a really meaningful contribution to our nation's history. Before that, a story of desperate struggle in the face of the effects of climate change. Megan Jones has been hearing how one Maasai community in Kenya overcame a devastating drought that killed almost all of their livestock. We're starting in 2009 in Kajiado County to the south of Kenya's capital, Nairobi. It was typically 100 % a Maasai-dominated area. The predominant economic activity source of livelihood was pastoralism. So we grew up just being rural children, enjoying the Maasai life, raised up in a strong Maasai culture.

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27:49The Maasai are pastoralists, which means they depend on their cattle for both their food and livelihood. We had enough food, more authentic Maasai diet. We enjoyed milk, lamb, beef, braised and cooked in a traditional way. Dalmas Tiamhati grew up living a simple life, raising animals and learning about the land. Masa Kajja to me basically means my way of life. It means my language. It means my way of dressing, as you can see. Animals are really central to the life of the Maasai people. As he grew older, he managed to get enough money to build a herd of 127 cows, greeting them every morning. Having cattle meant Dalmas was respected and recognised by elders and other members of the community.

28:43I believe life was good because we were there in the village, full of grass for our animals. We were happy people. Life wasn't always happy though. I think from the year 2000, we have seen droughts becoming more and more often and become prolonged. they are becoming more intense and severe. This YouTube video from the charity Christian Aid shows people affected by these extreme conditions. We are in emergency, absolute emergency. What you can see now is the government has just delivered water. In 2009, we went through a very, very bad drought that killed almost 80 % of our animals, 80 to 90%. and even sometimes some families were nested without any cow.

29:36That year, Kenya's government declared a national emergency, warning nearly 10 million people were at risk from food shortages. It's something Gabrielle Menezis from the United Nations World Food Programme talks about in this clip. A number of factors have combined together to create this current food crisis in Kenya. Firstly, food prices rose dramatically at the beginning of last year and this made people increasingly food insecure. Secondly, the drought has affected parts of Kenya that normally would have been able to grow food for themselves. We had an elder who committed suicide because all the animals died and that meant to him that the source of livelihood has been lost and he didn't have hope.

30:22I had 127 animals and I lost a big number of those animals. Dalmas was left with only 14 cows. One family had 200 before. Then they had seven. During the worst of the drought, some herders travelled long distances, crossing into Tanzania, searching for grass for the cattle to graze on, or water to drink. But the conditions were so harsh, many animals didn't survive. One elder and a big number were saying, this is what the end of the world meant. It's an ecological, social and economic collapse for the Maasai. So it basically means death. I started hearing people saying we leave our villages and go to cities, look for jobs.

31:07And the young people actually, even now, majority of them have left rural areas to look for jobs, sometimes which are dangerous. The land they were leaving behind was also suffering. Wildlife have disappeared in many areas due to lack of vegetation. and trees at the centre have dried up in many areas. And then when it rains, we see a lot of floods happening. In the following years, the extreme conditions continued and were talked about by Helen Clark from the United Nations after they launched their African Human Development Report in 2012. What is changing is that these extremes happen more often and with greater intensity.

31:48So we should be able to be planning resilience approaches to cope with these. With his animals gone and his community under pressure, Dalmas knew something had to change. So he made a decision. He needed to help his people prepare for the future. But he doesn't know how. He's desperate. He starts researching, looking for answers and reading a lot about climate change and droughts. He decides they need to take action, becoming more resilient and self-reliant, not dependent on food relief and handouts. He starts talking, first to elders, herders, women and young people, explaining they need to be strong economically, environmentally and culturally.

32:36Soon he's meeting with government officials, scientists and organisations, anyone doing similar work. We started just with meetings just to understand our own problems, just to get to know what problems we have and what problem many communities are. They decide the problems they need to address include loss of vegetation and grass, decline in soil condition, lack of water and hunger. Out of those conversations comes a plan, where they'll do things like educating about climate change, bringing young people back into agriculture and securing safe and clean water. And Dalmas knows they need to act now.

33:16If we don't take action, then the future for the Maasai is maybe hopeless and it's dark. Because climate change is a reality. It's something we are feeling. We are in the front line. We are facing serious effects of climate change. And I don't think it's going away. I think it's something that is becoming more and more serious. So the future for the Maasai without addressing the effects of climate change is dark, it's hopeless and we need to take action. So they act, setting up a non-profit organisation called Ildala Leketuk Maasai Action for Development. They launch land restoration projects.

34:01Teaching our people about our own mobility, our own nomadic pastoralism, how it was, and how to apply it in the context of the issues we are facing with climate change. They work with families who lost their livelihoods. We have a cow equity programme where we ask for support and try to distribute animals to families who don't have anything to depend on. They look for organisations to work with them and start educating the community. We have also started our own institute, the Maasai Institute of Permanent Culture. It is basically a living school where we teach people about our lives, about our culture, about our way of life.

34:45And we have our own wise people, wise Maasai elders, whom we are made to be our lecturers. Two years after they began, the land and the people start to respond. The impact of our work we started feeling in 2015. We slightly had another drop, but by that time we have restored the Maasai mobility so we can move our animals and share with other villages. Despite facing more droughts, Dalmas and his community continue to try and protect their land and their culture. He now shares his story and travels around the world, including to Manchester in England, where I met him for this interview. I find hope in the sense that the Maasai people are a very strong society and they are resilient and they are taking action.

35:34The resilient and resourceful Dalmas Tiampati was speaking to Megan Jones. Next, a moment from the history of one of the planet's greatest feats of construction, the Great Wall of China. For this, we're going back to the 1980s when tourism was just beginning and there was little public knowledge about China's cultural heritage. In 2017, Rebecca Kesby heard from Yao Hoi Dong about the first known mission to walk along the entire ancient landmark.

36:05Sometimes when I stand on the wall, I feel like I'm having a conversation with people from ancient times. When I put my hand on the stones, I think about how hundreds of years ago this stone was carved out of the mountains and placed on the wall by someone. And I try to imagine them. and what sort of lives they had. Yao Hui Dong has spent his life studying the wall, and on September 24, 1985, he and two friends became the first people ever recorded to walk the entire length of it, well over 8 ,000 kilometers. It was an adventure that took them 16 months, but the inspiration for it had developed over years.

36:48In the early 80s, I was an electrician, installing high-voltage power lines. But in my spare time, I was also really into literature and I would write my own stories and poems. I could see the Great Wall from my house. I found it really inspiring and I'd always think, how did I actually build it? At the time, there were hardly any books written about it. But I wanted to find out everything I could about its history. The Great Wall began as a collection of walls and battlements originally built to stop marauding armies and nomadic gangs from raiding villages and towns in the north of China. The first emperor of a united China, Qin Shi Huang, started the construction more than 2 ,000 years ago.

37:35It also served as a road linking hill forts in mountainous areas and making it easier to deploy soldiers to trouble spots quickly. I began to notice that different parts of the world looked different and they were built differently. I learned that different armies had built sections over time and I began to think, I bet no one has ever walked along the whole thing before. And I thought, if I could do that and document what I see, well, that would be a really meaningful contribution to our nation's history. Also, the first complete set of footprints along it would be mine. Just thinking about it made my heart beat faster.

38:13Leaving his wife and their young baby behind, Yao Hui Dong set off with an old school friend, Wu De Yu, in May 1984. They started on the east coast at Shanghai Pass. Before long, they were joined by another wall enthusiast, Zhang Yuanhua, on what was to become an epic journey for all three of them. We gradually got used to it, but every day we endured great fatigue and a thirst, and in the winter, freezing temperatures. But looking back, the hardest part was psychological. It was the same monotonous drill every day. Plus, we were three young men in our 20s, spending every day together for more than 500 days.

38:56Think about it. Even a loving couple don't spend that much time together. It makes you a bit crazy at times. Wude Yu was a poet and had an artistic temperament. Zhang Yuanhua came from a military family. He had a soldier's character, which was very obvious. I was somewhere in the middle. So these differences between us did lead to quite a few arguments. For decades, communist China had been developing a new way of living. The focus had been on forging ahead and forgetting about the old ways and customs. There wasn't much interest in history in the early 1980s, and large parts of the wall hadn't been walked on for years.

39:41The three friends had to rely on local people in the remote villages that they came across for food and supplies. But the biggest problem on a daily basis was water. It was a real problem. It wasn't possible to carry sufficient water every day, especially in summer when you sweat so much. But the whole route is up across the highest ground, which isn't where you find water. So we'd have to go down the mountains to collect water and then climb back up again, which took several hours and a lot of energy. So we'd try to ration how much water we drank. Back then, we didn't have the modern outdoor clothing and equipment that's available today.

40:22We just had army uniforms donated to us by soldiers in a couple of army units we came across en route. So when a rainstorm came over, we just get soaked, and it rains a lot in the mountains. Snow was also a problem. We were walking in snow for months. It's also pretty dangerous, especially when you are walking downhill. Many of the little villages the team visited along the wall had developed because of the trading opportunities it had offered, and some of the locals were descendants of the people who actually built it. The ancestors of one community we came across had been moved from the far south of China to help build the wall.

41:09And even now, 500 years on, they keep up their southern traditions, even though most of them have never ever been to the south. Yao Hoi Dong and his team took photographs and copious notes of what they saw on their travels, building up a comprehensive record of the wall mile after mile. Basically, as they built the Great Wall, they used the natural terrain to their advantage whenever they could. So they built fortifications where it was easy to defend and hard to attack. They also used the material that was at hand. So where stones are easy to come by, they use them like bricks. Elsewhere, in granite areas, they used the big boulders.

41:50And on the plains, for example, they just use the compacted earth. In strategically important areas, there will be more than one wall, sometimes two or three deep, a few kilometers apart, so that if the first wall fell, there were reinforcements behind it. Communications in rural China in the 80s were minimal. The team relied on letters and parcels sent from home, but it was a wrench to be so far from their families. Oh, I was extremely homesick. And at the time, my mum was already quite elderly and in poor health. My wife was looking after her and our daughter all by herself. When I left, my daughter was only one year old.

42:33I'd sometimes cuddle the children of the villagers we stayed with. And that made me so sad. It was really difficult for me. When the authorities had learned of Yao Huidong's expedition, they'd encouraged him. But the team didn't know that while they'd been trekking across the wall, they'd become national heroes, with regular write-ups in the newspapers on their progress and on the ancient history of the war. Their newfound fame came as something of a shock to them when they finally reached Jiayu Pass in the West, 508 days after they'd started. When we finished the expedition, we were mobbed by the press.

43:12Everyone was saying, you are heroes, this is an amazing accomplishment. It felt pretty good at the time, but the next day I felt a bit negative about it. I felt this isn't the kind of life I want. We didn't want anything. All we wanted was to try to help people understand its history. We wanted to walk our own path and keep our feet firmly on the ground. After their initial expedition, Yao Hoi Dong and the team went back, along the extra parts of the wall and adjoining fortifications, almost another 2 ,000 kilometers. Since then, he's devoted his life to studying and preserving the wall, which is now one of the most visited attractions in the country.

43:55Even the new parts of it are 500 or 600 years old, but it dates back more than 2 ,000 years. A human's life lasts only a few decades. I feel very proud that I've devoted my life to something that will live on far beyond my own years. In translation, that was Yao Hoidong, traveller and expert in the Great Wall of China. He was speaking to Rebecca Kesby in 2017. This week's Sporting Witness next, and for this we have a defining moment in the history of football. Phil Jones takes us back to 1970, in the company of men who were there for an event which changed the beautiful game. This is the story of the world's first official penalty shootout, when football changed forever.

44:40the moment when a game becomes pure drama I was there the night it all began

44:49That's Frankie Banks who was a Hull City player on the 5th of August 1970 but on that day penalties were the last thing on people's minds everyone was just incredibly excited that Hull City from the 2nd Division were playing Manchester United one of the most famous teams in the world Sadly, Frankie was about to hear news that would hit him hard. I looked at the team sheet and my name did not appear. So you can imagine how I felt, gutted. But having said that, I'm part of that team, I'm part of that squad and obviously I want them to go out and do the business. Looking back, I felt it was wonderful to be part of history.

45:29I just love the fact that one of the most monumental changes in football occurred during a long-forgotten game in a long-forgotten pre-season tournament, the Watney Cup.

45:43That match may have been of no consequence to some, but to me, it was everything. That's Martin Kelly, who was 11 years old at the time. I couldn't believe it. My beloved Old City were up against Georgie Best, Bobby Charton and Dennis Law. That's like having Messi, Ronaldo and Mbappe in the same team. It was a massive game, playing against Manchester United, who two years earlier had won the European Cup. The atmosphere was electrifying. I was there at the end of the tunnel, and when you're running out, that music plays, Where's that tiger? Where's that tiger? The Tigers being Hull City's nickname.

46:18And then the atmosphere, it erupts. 30 ,000 people are chanting your name, the Tigers. It really gives you a lift. It was really exciting. All those people, it was one of the first times they'd ever been to such a big match. The Man United players were our heroes. On paper, we didn't stand a chance. We wanted to win, we wanted to prove to everybody that, although they were the best side probably in the world, we could go out and give them a game. In 1970, football was already the global sport, played everywhere on the planet from dusty bits of wasteland to huge stadiums. But the game had a problem.

46:57How do you settle a match that ended in a draw? even after extra time. You could have replays, but they weren't practical during short tournaments. The answer was often to draw lots. It's hard to believe that games were settled through a piece of paper or tossing a coin. Everyone could say it was unfair, but one man, Yosef Dagan, an Israeli football official, was convinced there was a better way. At the Mexico Olympics in 1968, Dagan watched in dismay as his country Israel drew with Bulgaria, but were then cruelly eliminated after the drawing of lots. Frankie remembers what happened. To decide the game, there was a sombrero hat.

47:38You just have to pick a piece of paper out and if it is the right piece of paper, you go through to the next round. The Gans' plan to bring in penalty shootouts was taken to FIFA, the governing body of world football, and eventually adopted on the 27th of June 1970. I asked FIFA to clarify when penalty shootouts were first officially used but they didn't seem to know. So I nudged them Could it have been that Hull City game perhaps? We can neither confirm nor deny that claim They said As our records don't stretch to domestic tournaments Well we searched high and low for an earlier match But nothing showed up There had been occasional experiments with penalties But they weren't officially sanctioned As far as I'm concerned The first time penalties were officially used in a professional game Was on August 5th 1970 at Hull City So six weeks after the FIFA decision Tide games could now be settled by a brand new dramatic climax.

48:33It was a 7.30 kick-off. It was a lovely warm evening but when I got into the ground I didn't have a good view. I had to look between people's heads to be able to see anything and I was really jealous of kids who had little stools to stand on. I remember seeing Bobby Charlton running up and down the wing. His face was really red. Chris Chilton scored first after 11 minutes and the crowd went bonkers. Fans normally love it when the floodlights come on but this time it was bad news because that's when, unfortunately, Dennis Law equalised. We should have won the game. Ian Butler, one of our great players, blasted it over the bar.

49:12Well, as extra time drained away, we realised that we may be able to come into a penalty shootout. We were going to witness something that never happened before. A football match was going to be decided by penalties. Today we're familiar with the rules and rituals of a shootout But for these players and fans It was the first time And no one knew what to expect Terry Neal obviously asked for volunteers Neal being Hull's new player manager And some of the lads were reluctant to step up And take the penalties And some were brave enough to step up And say, yeah, I'll take one I'll take one And I'll take one Nobody wants to be the one that misses The first penalty taker for Manchester United was George Best Blimey, I thought It's George Best, one of the greatest players ever He's going to take the first penalty in the world's first penalty shootout Naturally enough, George Best stood up, took the penalty, scored Next, Terry Neal He walked from the centre circle into the 18-yard box, scored Remember, I was only 11 at the time and each kick was agony.

50:20Then Bobby Charlton and Brian Kidd scored for United and Ian Butler and Ken Houghton for Hull. 3-3. It was still anybody's game and the noise was deafening. And then, would you believe it, Ian McKechnie saved from Dennis Law. Forever and ever, Law will go down as the first man to miss in a penalty shootout and McKechnie, he will go down as the first goalkeeper to save a penalty in a penalty shootout. Next up it was Ken Wagstaff, my hero And I knew we were going to win He was going to score, we were going to beat Manchester United And then, how could he do that? He missed! The next penalty taker was Willie Morgan He scored for United and now it was sudden death What happened next in my book shouldn't have happened Ian McKechnie, our goalkeeper, went up to take the kick I still maintain that Ian McKechnie was the right choice He had a sweet left foot and he had the guts to do it and I'd have put money on him to score.

51:19Please not him. I couldn't believe it. My mum couldn't believe it. Even Alex Stepney, the Man United keeper, couldn't believe it and actually asked him what he was doing up there. I had my head in my hands. Big Ian, he braced himself, he ran up, blasted it against the upper side of the crossbar and unfortunately, whole city were out. As Chris Waddle said when he missed for England in 1990, just six inches away from being the perfect penalty. Over the years, the rules have remained remarkably resilient. Five kicks each and then sudden death. It's the fairest way to settle a game. And as a moment of sheer drama, they can't be beaten.

52:05Football is called the beautiful game, although often it's quite dull. But penalties supercharge a match. 11 metres out and only the keeper to beat. Perhaps it even captures the essence of the game, how easy it is, and at the same time, how hard it is. Anyone can score, and most do. 76 % in fact, but 24 % miss. And over the years, even the world's greatest, like Messi, Ronaldo and Mbappe, have suffered that fate. Missing that penalty, stayed with Ian for the rest of his life. I was inconsolable then, but I'm just pleased to have been there when history was made. The boys were very, very proud of what they'd done to hold Manchester United for 90 minutes, play 30 minutes of extra time and then go into penalties.

52:51Looking back at that, I'm really proud to have been part of the first penalty shootout in football. If you're interested, Manchester United went on to lose to Derby County in the final of the Watney Cup. Frankie Banks played professional football for 18 years with Hull and then Southend United. After retiring from playing, he rose to be the assistant manager at Southend. And at the age of 80, he's still involved with the club. Martin Kelly still follows his beloved Hull City.

53:23Phil Jones with the story of the first official penalty shootout for the professional game back in 1970. Finally this week, we're going to end on a bit of food history. The dessert after our smorgasbord of past events, if you like. Surya Elango is taking us back to the turn of the century to meet a celebrity chef who changed the way television told stories about food. If you were one of those people who cringed at the thought of strangers fondling your food, you shouldn't go out to eat. Anthony Bourdain was a little-known chef in New York until he wrote an essay called Don't Eat Before Reading This, published in the weekly magazine The New Yorker.

54:03And then he became world famous for his popular TV travelogue shows, where we see his indelible charm and ability to connect with just about anyone over a plate of food. Our story starts in 1999, on a spring afternoon in New York City. This is the kitchen at L 'Eau, a French bistro in Manhattan. Philippe La Journée is one of the restaurant's owners, preparing for a busy day ahead. We came down from the office to have a quick look at the restaurant before service started. And there was this TV crew. The good thing about going to eat out at a restaurant is that you're out of the kitchen. But the bad thing is that you don't always know what happens inside of it.

54:48And I asked them why they were here and for. And they said, well, there is this article that was published in a New Yorker by your chef. We would like to interview him. And who they were interviewing was a man in his 40s called Anthony Bourdain. And so I rushed to the kitchen and told Tony about this. And he said, oh, yeah, I didn't expect anyone to come here. And I'm so sorry. I didn't expect it to be published. Chef Bourdain shed his kitchen whites to shed some light on the business he's been in for more than a decade. And then he went on with his interview and I rushed to get a New Yorker issue.

55:26I was in a cranky mood after my last restaurant closed. Tony, as he was often known, had spent months trying to get this piece published, but with no success. So he sent it to the magazine unsolicited. So I was stunned that he had A, written the piece, B, that it was such a great piece, and C, that it got it published in a New Yorker. Within hours, the phone was off the hook. People were just calling in and wanting to come to that restaurant. It all changed when Tony published that piece. In 1999, the top restaurants in the US and Europe were still in the era of fine dining. The restaurant experience was always very, you know, codified.

56:15So for example, you would go to a French restaurant and you would expect the staff to be stiff and healthy and the chef being some kind of a godlike creature and talking down to you because you ask for something different than what the menu offered. That filtered through to food writing too. Any publication, any book, any article was always lofty and if not pretentious talking about food and their experiences from when they were little. Then came this article. When in Tony's case it was very on the ground. And here's a flavour of what he wrote in The New Yorker, voiced up by someone reading that famous essay.

57:01Good food, good eating, is all about blood and organs. All his writing then and later reflected more the noise, the pressure, the craziness, the sweat, the burn, everything that is going on in the kitchen. It's about danger, risking the dark bacterial forces of beef, chicken, cheese and shellfish. For Tony, he was just trying to get a few laughs out of his fellow chefs and kitchen colleagues. That was such a pivotal moment, a seminal moment in the restaurant world and the kitchen world in particular because it was really what was happening in practically any restaurant. And that's why people have been inspired to join that world.

57:53His writing was sharp as a knife. He spilled some of the restaurant kitchen's trade secrets. So in the article, I think the big thing that people noticed was do not eat fish on Monday. In 90s New York, fish markets were closed at the weekend, meaning Monday's fish was often days old. The fish may be just as fresh on Friday, but it's on Tuesday that you've got the goodwill of the kitchen on your side. It wasn't just fish, Tony wrote about. People who order their meat well done perform a valuable service for those of us in the business who are cost conscious. They pay for the privilege of eating our garbage.

58:33In many kitchens, there's a time-honoured practice called save for well done. Tony's special ingredient was his authenticity in capturing the kitchen and restaurant scene with vivid detail and no filter. He didn't have a chef's personality, you know, more boisterous and, you know, more like a control freak type of chef. He was more unassuming. After he published the article, Philip invited Tony to help open a new restaurant in Japan. So that trip to Tokyo was Tony's first experience in Asia, definitely, and outside the world that he knew. And so it was a really earth-shattering experience for him.

59:18I took him around and brought him to all the places I love, with restaurants and bars. That was a big moment. Tony's appetite for travel and trying more restaurants and street food was wet. And he wrote an incredible article about this week in Tokyo that was published. And very fast after that, he compiled a few of his pieces and that gave Kitchen Confidential. Published in 2000, Kitchen Confidential, Adventures in the Culinary Underbelly, was Anthony Bourdain's breakout memoir. And after that, the rest is history. Tony went on to write and present his own TV shows, filming in nearly 100 countries.

1:00:06His cool manner earned him the reputation of a rock star chef, and strangers all over the world invited him into their kitchens to break bread with them. The 1990s was seen as the decade of the celebrity chef, where the people in the kitchen became TV stars. Here's Tony in 2011 talking about what that meant. Even at its most annoying, I think the celebrity chef phenomena is, on balance, a good thing for the world. Tony would, I guess, hate to be called a celebrity, although he definitely was a celebrity. He was the first celebrity chef, as in someone who came out of the kitchen and was a true ambassador for everything that is about food.

1:00:52And setting the table became a different experience. people started to appreciate that sitting down with someone and sharing a meal could in fact deepen a relationship and create warmth. And that friendship with Philip was particularly warm, that over the years, Tony invited his old boss and friend to film with him across the world. They made a pact to one day retire from their busy lives. As much as he enjoyed the success, If you had given him the choice, I think that, you know, he would have done what I have done and which was our project, which was to move to Hoi An in Vietnam and just, you know, keep it easy.

1:01:39And so it was always kind of the secret garden that we were dreaming of. Anthony Bourdain died in 2018. His TV programs, books and essays are still enjoyed. I don't remember exactly. The last time I saw him, it was probably at a restaurant. And when he passed away, I was actually in Vietnam on a trip. And right there and then, I just decided, well, that's it. He didn't get to do it. I'm going to do it right now. And I moved to Horean, and I've been happy ever since. Philippe Lajonnet was speaking to Surya Alango and remembering the chef, writer and TV presenter, Anthony Bourdain. A bittersweet way to end this edition of the History Hour.

1:02:23We'll have another collection of first-hand stories from the past for you next week. So until then, this is Max Pearson. From all of us here, thanks for listening. Goodbye. Sporting Witness takes you to the events that have shaped the sports world through the eyes of the people who were there. We weren't going to ask permission. We were just going to do it. It was such an amazing feeling. It was incredible. He started to write a story about how he came up with the idea for the red and yellow cars. I got to go. We cried a bit. We laughed a bit. It was wonderful. There's a magic during those moments that carries your soul.

1:02:55We were truly blessed to be a part of history. Sporting Witness. Subscribe wherever you get your BBC podcasts.

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Max Pearson presents a collection of the week's Witness History interviews from the BBC World Service. Our guest is Paulina Guzik, International editor with the Catholic wire service, OSV News.

We start in 1986 when Pope John Paul II visited New Zealand.

Then, we hear about the reunification of Germany in 1989 from a key political advisor.

How one Maasai community overcame a devastating drought in 2013.

The recollections of one of the first people to walk the entire length of the Great Wall of China in 1984.

Next, the first official penalty shootout in 1970 that changed football forever.

Finally, we look at an essay published in 1999 that was an unfiltered look into restaurant kitchen culture.

Contributors:

Michael Jarka - a man who met Pope John Paul II.

Paulina Guzik - OSV News.

Joachim Bitterlich - a key advisor to Chancellor Helmut Kohl.

Dalmas Tiampati - founder of Ildalalekutuk Maasai Action for Development.

Yaohui Dong - one of the first to walk the entire length of the Great Wall of China.

Frankie Banks - former Hull City player.

Martyn Kelly - a football fan.

Philip Lajaunie - Anthony Bourdain's former boss at Les Halles restaurant, New York.

(Photo: Pope John Paul II blesses the crowd during Mass at Auckland Domain. Credit: Reuters/Luciano Mellace)

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