In short
The episode of BBC History Hour (Witness History) is built around “a week’s worth” of historical stories, mainly: the Soweto Uprising in South Africa (1976), the Abkhazia conflict and Georgian/ethnic Georgian exodus (1992–93), and the Cyprus “Women Return” march (1987). It also includes shorter segments on Australia’s Mungo Man discovery (1970s), and the identification of Lyme disease in the US (1975 onward), plus a sports add-on recalling Germany’s 7–1 World Cup semi-final win over Brazil in 2014.
Guests and backgrounds
Bongi Mkabela, a Soweto student organizer later jailed about five years; Rachel E. Johnson, Durham University professor of South African history; Guram Disharia, Abkhazia-born Georgian poet and refugee; Elena Angelidis, who interviews Nikki Katsoni, a Greek Cypriot organizer of the 1987 Women Return march; Alan Steer, Yale rheumatologist who helped identify Lyme disease; Rena Stanton-Sharma, who speaks with Lyme mother Polly Murray; Jim Bowler, Australian geologist who discovered Mungo Man; Thomas Müller, Germany footballer recalling the 2014 7–1.
Key claims/examples
Afrikaans-imposition sparked student protests; police live fire killed a 13-year-old and others, with death toll disputed (government: 23; locals: higher), later becoming a liberation turning point. In Abkhazia, Guram describes mass flight over a 2,800m mountain pass where people died from cold/oxygen loss. In Cyprus, women used white flags to breach the UN buffer zone; they were stopped by UN peacekeepers, heat, and mines. Mungo Man’s burial included red ochre; later dating settled around 42,000 years, with Indigenous Australians’ excavation rights contested. Lyme disease was linked to tick-borne skin lesions preceding arthritis; penicillin improved outcomes.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOOverview of the Soweto Uprising
1:45 to 2:47
Details on the Soweto Uprising and its significance in South Africa's history.
“Hello and welcome to the History Hour from the BBC World Service with me, Max Pearson.”
Personal Accounts from the Protest
2:47 to 11:40
Bongi Mkabela shares her firsthand experience during the Soweto Uprising.
“But first we go to South Africa, where 50 years ago, a student protest ended in deadly clashes with the police.”
Historical Context of the Uprising
11:40 to 14:00
Discussion on the historical background and implications of the Soweto Uprising.
“Bongi Nkabela, she was sharing her experience of the Soweto uprising with Alan Johnston in an interview first broadcast in 2010.”
Student Activism and the June 16th Uprising
14:00 to 16:28
Learn about the challenges school students faced leading up to the uprising and its impact on anti-apartheid sentiment.
“as a kind of way in which to improve your life.”
The Abkhaz War and Personal Testimonies
16:28 to 24:37
Hear the harrowing experiences of individuals during the Abkhaz conflict and their struggle for survival.
“Johnson, specialist in South African history at Durham University here in the UK.”
The Division of Cyprus and Women's Activism
26:28 to 28:00
Explore the historical context of Cyprus's division and the women's march for return in 1987.
“that revolutionized our view of Australia's history, plus the scientist who spotted a trend in America and discovered Lyme disease.”
The Invasion of Cyprus: Historical Context
28:00 to 28:49
Learn about the events surrounding Turkey's invasion of Cyprus and its impact on Greek Cypriots.
“Turkey has invaded Cyprus and claims tonight to have taken control of an area in the north of the island.”
The Women Return March: A Fight for Home
28:50 to 35:24
Discover the story of the Women Return March and their efforts to reclaim their homes in Cyprus.
“And their aim today was to cross the ceasefire line, then perhaps return to their homes.”
The Emergence of Lyme Disease
35:25 to 41:43
Understand the origins of Lyme disease and the pivotal research that identified it.
“Now these days, it's relatively common to hear about cases of people infected with Lyme disease, an illness passed on by ticks.”
Discovering Borrelia: The Tick and Disease Link
41:44 to 42:00
Explore the findings of Willie Bergdorfer and the discovery of the Lyme disease-causing bacteria.
“Steer, who is now one of the most renowned rheumatologists globally, remains humble about that vital step in medicine.”
Show all 14 chapters
Understanding Lyme Disease
42:00 to 44:14
Learn about the history and complexities of Lyme disease and its treatment.
“you're often left with a part of the population that just has a harder time with it.”
The Discovery of Mungo Man
44:14 to 53:04
Explore the significance of the discovery of Mungo Man and its impact on Australian history.
“a geologist by the name of Dr Jim Bowler uncovered a 42 ,000 year old skeleton.”
Reflections on Indigenous Rights
53:04 to 56:01
Understand the implications of Mungo Man's excavation on Indigenous rights and historical narratives.
“The Australian geologist Jim Bowler, who discovered Mungo Man in 1974, he was speaking to Rachel Naylor.”
Germany's Historic Victory Over Brazil
56:01 to 1:00:02
Listeners will learn about the pivotal moments and emotions during the historic World Cup semi-final match between Germany and Brazil.
“It's a great goal but we as players in this World Cup situation, in World Cup semi-finals, we are not there because we won in the lottery.”
Transcript
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1:45Hello and welcome to the History Hour from the BBC World Service with me, Max Pearson. a week's worth of characters and stories as revealed on Witness History, including a Georgian poet remembering his escape from ethnic tensions in Abkhazia in the 1990s. I had never heard or read about people dropping like flies in this way. The main thing, killing people, was the stress of the situation. Also, the discovery of Australia's ancient Mungo man. From the 1980s, Greek Cypriot women march against the partition of the island. We wanted to go to the other side. This was the whole idea of breaking the military line with white flags, with peace.
2:29Plus Germany's Thomas Müller recalling Brazil's heaviest defeat in a World Cup match. You feel a little uncomfortable, sorry, for people you know when you know they're in these situations, when the expectations was that high. And yeah, in the end, the 7-1, it was a crazy result. That's all coming up. But first we go to South Africa, where 50 years ago, a student protest ended in deadly clashes with the police. It's known as the Soweto Uprising, named after the Johannesburg township where it began. Apartheid was still in force, and black children were required to receive part of their education in English and Afrikaans, which were not their own languages.
3:09Thousands of black students gathered to demonstrate against this policy and were met with police violence. Here's Alan Johnson. It's early on June 16th, 1976, and on Johannesburg's outskirts, the young people of the township of Soweto are about to make their voices heard. In the hours ahead, demonstrating black schoolchildren will be fired on by police in scenes of violence that will shock the world. A girl called Bongi Mkabela will be among the protesters. She describes what she felt when the security forces started shooting. It was fear, the kind of fear that you taste in your mouth. It was anger, the kind of anger that almost blinds you.
3:57And it was frustration, absolute frustration. But at the same time, you know, adrenaline also carries you to just run and run for life. Every aspect of Bongi Mkabela's childhood had been marked by the injustices of apartheid. Along with many other increasingly politicised young people, she had decided that it was time to make a stand. She was elected to represent her high school on a council that made preparations for a day of peaceful protest. It was agreed that on June 16th, Soweto's students would abandon their classrooms. They'd march through the streets and eventually converge for a rally at the Orlando football stadium.
4:43Their main aim was to protest at the compulsory imposition in their schools of teaching in Afrikaans, the language of the dominant Europeans of Dutch descent. We understood not Afrikaans only as a language, but Afrikaans as a language of the oppressor. It wasn't just the use of the language itself, it was what the language would mean when it's used as a medium of instruction, when it's imposed on us, when we had no choice. Bongi Mkabela remembers gathering at her school on what was a cold winter's morning. You have about three, four hundred children gathered outside on assembly. You have your teachers standing on the margins of the assembly, and we have student leaders standing and saying, look, this is how we're going to march.
5:35One, we're going to be very peaceful. Two, we're going to be taking responsibility for one another. So make sure that you're always holding somebody else's hand. Make sure that you're staying on the pavements. Let's not stop traffic. So in some ways, you know, you're trying to put some logic and some sense into this match so it doesn't go wild. We went out expecting particularly tear gassing and we're ready with water and with things that we thought helped with tear gassing. And indeed, there was a great deal of kind of excitement, as you would imagine if you have a huge crowd and a level of determination.
6:13and I think a level of pride that we've been able to organize ourselves into this huge mass and that we will express ourselves and get our voices heard by those who are responsible. So when that march takes off, it has a great deal of energy. And we are Africans. We sing when someone dies. We sing when there's a wedding. We sing all the time. So with that kind of gutsy, you know, African-ness in us, we took off into the streets.
6:55We must have been 30 minutes or so into the match when we had the first canister of tear gas thrown at us. And of course that threw us out a bit. But we reconverged after we had recovered and we continued to march. and for the first time we saw army vehicles. Now these were really terrifying contraptions of vehicles. We had never seen anything like that before and tear gas was coming out of those vehicles. There was no live ammunition until we got to Orlando and at that point it was just live ammunition.
7:36We all had to run and hide and get into houses and families. But you must have been frightened, scrambling for safety, people around you being hurt. There's a combination of fear and anger and determination. What was the very worst moment? Absolutely worst moment for me personally was when the news came that a little boy of 13 had been killed. Somehow I think that was the barrier. It's almost like, you know, when you cross that line, there is nothing else that you can ever fear again. And for me, that was the moment when we realized that lives were going to be lost. And when we realized that it's not going to be about a protest and us submitting a paper of grievances, the response we were going to get was going to be a response that would potentially put us in prisons and even kill some of us.
8:40And as one of the organisers, when you, as you say, saw very young people being hurt around you, did you feel a sense of responsibility that perhaps this had been a mistake? Ellen, no, I didn't feel it. It's been a mistake. I felt the heavy-handedness of the system. I actually realised how evil the system is. And I had absolutely no regrets, except regretting not fully appreciating how evil the system was. According to the government at the time, 23 people died that day. But on the streets of the township, many believed that the real figure was much higher. And what became known as the Soweto Riots spread and simmered on for months, during which hundreds were killed.
9:35This was the grim cost of the confrontation that the students had sparked, but their action is now seen as having been a highly significant moment in the fight against apartheid. The one thing that is said today is that that was a turning point in many ways. And indeed, in South Africa's history, we see that June 16, 1976, it is the point at which the apartheid government begins to realise that it cannot continue forever. I think the issues in Soweto and the lives of people in Soweto cease to be in the background. Several weeks after Soweto's students began to protest, Bongi Mkabela was arrested.
10:17She spent months in jail and, after being freed, was imprisoned again. Altogether, she was behind bars for about five years. And all these years on, among her most vivid memories of that extraordinary day in 1976, is one particular moment when the words of a Zulu freedom song called Senzenina rang out and captured the mood.
10:53I see us leaving the school when the schoolyard was behind us. And when we were holding hands as a group of six, and I was holding on to my friend Cindy, who is just one of the best soloists I have ever seen. And when she started that Senzenina, and when I could hear the response coming from the huge crowd of students and that song being carried out and as we left the premises of Naledi High School and we looked forward and we marched, that for me is a moment.
11:40Bongi Nkabela, she was sharing her experience of the Soweto uprising with Alan Johnston in an interview first broadcast in 2010. As we just heard, the unrest continued for several months in 1976, and the students' protests are widely seen as a turning point in South African history. Rachel E. Johnson is a professor of history at Durham University in the UK. Rachel, let's start with the genesis of what happened back then. Why in 1976 did the issue of language taught in schools erupt in the way that it did? Well, so already in 1974, the government had kind of introduced this requirement that certain subjects at secondary schools in South Africa should be taught in Afrikaans.
12:23and immediately teachers and students kind of push back on this because through the official channels this policy they're arguing is going to be unworkable not enough teachers not enough students are proficient enough in the in the language to be able to learn to learn some complicated subjects like mathematics in in in Afrikaans but that pushback doesn't really get anywhere and by 1976 the government is not moving on this and it's making clear that it's going to impose this decision, which causes kind of even more sort of unsettlement, if you like. And it's not just that this is a kind of practical issue for teachers and students.
12:57It's also a kind of highly symbolic one. Afrikaans is seen by many people, experienced by many people, as the language of the oppressor because their daily interactions with the state are often in this language, many of which are kind of unpleasant interactions. And this idea that this is going to be imposed upon them is a kind of echo of the ways in which education itself has been reshaped under the apartheid system and certain ideas about who should be educated and what ways have been imposed on people. So it's a kind of small issue, but it's also one which has real resonance and much bigger kind of echoes to it.
13:31Yeah, education is bound to be felt throughout the country by families because it's central to the prospects of young people growing up. So what was daily life like for students in Soweto around that time? There were already a lot of barriers to school students in Soweto being able to learn. Soweto schools were overcrowded, underfunded. Teachers were often having to teach their lessons on a rotor system, kind of some students in the morning, some in the afternoon. So there were already many barriers to being able to pursue education as a kind of way in which to improve your life. And then this was an additional thing on top of that.
14:07School students have often also got kind of a lot of domestic responsibilities to negotiate. Many, many families, both parents are having to work, are travelling into Johannesburg, long train journeys, trains are running from 4am until midnight, you know, parents sometimes not seeing their children much during the day. And so students also having to take on responsibilities for younger siblings, often for kind of running the house in all sorts of ways. So there were many challenges facing school students at that point in time. When they took to the streets, I mean, presumably with the backing of the teachers as well, would they have been expecting the response that the police delivered and the violence that followed?
14:47You know, it's very hard to say, but I don't think anyone expected to be met with kind of live bullets. Certainly, many of the organisers were kind of prepared for things like tear gas, you know, they made preparations for that kind of thing. But I don't think many had expected that it would result in deaths. But the consequences were quite dramatic in the sense that both inside South Africa, but internationally, it focused attention on the issue of apartheid. Yes, absolutely. I mean, you know, very quickly, the response of the state is kind of condemned by the UN, it travels around the world.
15:20And this is a crisis of legitimacy for the apartheid state in a much broader sense than just over an issue around language and schools. The government does have to sort of recognize this a little bit and establishes a commission of inquiry, which is very much about it attempting to legitimize its response. But the importance of June 16th is something which really kind of grows over time, right? It's a day which is commemorated right from the first year onwards. So from 77 onwards, it's commemorated in a whole tradition of commemoration. And actually mobilization grows up around the day in terms of honoring the sacrifice which was made by those students.
15:55It changed the course of history, if you like, those student riots and student protests in 1976. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, retrospectively, it's often seen as the marking the beginning of the end, but it certainly marked a new phase in the liberation struggle. You know, for many young people, it was a real crash course in political activism and leadership. But not only those who were within the country, but many thousands decided on the kind of base back of their experiences to leave South Africa to join the liberation struggle in exile. So it kind of brings a whole new generation into the struggle in all sorts of ways.
16:27That's Professor Rachel E. Johnson, specialist in South African history at Durham University here in the UK. Next, we're going to get a glimpse into the complex and often hostile ethnic tensions around Abkhazia. It's a region of the former Soviet Republic of Georgia with its own tradition and language. In 1993, there was a separatist uprising during which thousands of ethnic Georgians were expelled from the region. Here's Stefania Gotzer. It's the 27th of September 1993, and Tsukhumi, the capital of a former Soviet territory called Abkhazia, is about to fall into the hands of separatist forces.
17:09Two years earlier, the Soviet Union had collapsed, leaving Georgia an independent country, and Abkhazia, a region within Georgia. In the modern Abkhazia, the Abkhaz people only accounted for about 20 % of the population, They lived alongside communities such as Armenians and Greeks, and of course, ethnic Georgians, who made up almost half of the population. But now, Abkhaz rebels had taken up arms to seek independence. A ferocious civil war is now raging in the west of Georgia. Troops loyal to the government of Edouard Shevardnadze are trying to crush remaining resistance in the breakaway region of Abkhazia.
17:52But it's proving tougher than they'd expected. The rebels have got reinforcements and they've mounted a counterattack. They declared independence last month, but Mr. Shevardnadze says this is still Georgian territory and he's prepared to fight for every inch of it. Guramo Disharia is a Georgian poet born and raised in Abkhazia.
18:18Suhumi was a very multicultural place. When I was growing up, everyone got along pretty well. There were a lot of Georgian Abkhaz families. Because of these, social relations were fairly peaceful. No one could have predicted the severity of the war that broke out on the 14th of August, 1992.
18:43I was on leave from work and went swimming when a military helicopter flew overhead. It started firing missiles. It turned out to be the Georgian military entering Abkhazia. I swam to shore and drove home. They fired rockets towards the city, even though there were many tourists there. The brutality of the war became apparent straight away. Guram sent his wife and daughter to Tbilisi, the capital of Georgia but he remained at home until the day Abkhaz forces took Suhumi After the fall of Suhumi, a mass exodus of refugees has begun families fleeing by boat or escaping along mountain paths because the roads have been cut off Guram first thought of leaving Abkhazia by driving along the coast but the rest of Georgia had also fallen into civil war the roads were closed we had no choice but to head in an unknown direction and ended up in the mountains in the car it was just me my mother, my brother and our friend with almost nothing else just a few photo albums I really wanted to save and some documents it was a long journey inland from the Black Sea coast to the small village of Sakeni deep in a valley in the Caucasus mountain Beyond that point, the only way out of Abkhazia was a narrow mountain trail, too steep and dangerous for regular cars.
20:15A handful of helicopters carried the most vulnerable across the mountains into Georgia. Sagene was where I left my old car. I'd injured my knee in the city bombings and was walking with a stick. My mother said she would be able to walk, but when we approached the mountain we were warned of its dangers. I realised I had to leave her with some relatives in the hope that they might be able to drive her later. Guram tricked his brother into leaving without him. He told him that he was going to wait for a helicopter because he feared that if they set off together and his injured knee gave out, his brother would refuse to leave him behind and might stay with him to die in the mountains.
21:03After his brother left, Guram began to cross the pass with a friend. It was raining and our feet were slipping, but we had to keep going. The further up we went, the worse the blizzard became. But there was no going back now. I had a jumper and a warm coat that I'd thrown into my car just in case, but I only had summer sandals and light trousers. We quickly went from warmth to sub-zero temperatures. What he witnessed on that journey still haunts him.
21:44I remember a woman who was carrying a bag with the remains of her child who had died in the Sokomi bombings. Then I saw a husband and wife carrying a big suitcase each. The woman collapsed suddenly and I went to help, but she wasn't breathing. Someone checked her pulse and announced that she had just died. The husband immediately dropped his suitcase and fell beside her. When I tried to help him up, it was clear he had also died. I had never heard or read about people dropping like flies in this way. The main thing, killing people, was the stress of the situation.
22:25Not only was the pass bitterly cold, it reached altitudes of more than 2 ,800 metres above sea level. At that height, the air is thinner, making movement slower and breathing harder. At night, in the mountain pass, we would have hallucinations from the lack of oxygen. My friend was convinced he had arrived in some Viking territory. I sat down in a heap of snow and started falling asleep. This unbreakable slumber was dragging me down and I gave in. My friend caught up and started shouting at me to wake up. You will freeze. You will die. He was slapping my face and shaking me. Only after he found some perfume in his bag and sprayed it on my face, I opened my eyes to the familiar scent.
23:20I asked what perfume it was. Red Moscow, he showed me. Why did you even bring this? I asked. I felt a lamp of snow next to me which revealed a frozen person underneath. And next to that, another. They had also rested and fallen asleep in that particularly difficult spot. After two days in the mountains, Guram finally reached the village of Chuberi in the Georgian region of Svaneti. I wouldn't have made it a third day. The locals had said it would be an 8-kilometre walk to Chuberi. But they must have been trying to make us feel better because it was no less than 50. Kuram and his friend were among the tens of thousands who fled through the Caucasus mountains after the fall of Suhumi in Abka's hands.
24:18Hundreds are thought to have died along the way. What kept me going was the thought that if I survived I would describe every detail to show people what war truly is. And so he did in his book The Path of the Persecuted. To this day, most of the world considers Abkhazia part of Georgia. In practice, however, it operates as a self-governing territory backed by Russia. When the war started, I was cut off from my source of inspiration. My city, my people. I started writing again at 40, but this time I wrote short stories and novels instead of poetry. A little bit.
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26:27Still to come, Mungo Man, the human remains found in the 1970s that revolutionized our view of Australia's history, plus the scientist who spotted a trend in America and discovered Lyme disease. A quarter of them lived on one of two roads where one in ten children had arthritis. That's completely unheard of. But before that, we're going to visit the troubled island of Cyprus. Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots had been divided since 1974 after a coup backed by Greece and a subsequent Turkish military intervention. Thousands of families were displaced and separated by the so-called Green Line, which split the two sides.
27:10But 13 years later, in 1987, a large group of women tried to cross that line back to their old homes. Elena Angelidis has the story. I told my husband at the time, I look after our son and if something happens to me, explain what his mother did. That's Niki Katsoni, a member of 20 or so women who organised the march. They called themselves Ijenegis Epistrefun, meaning the women return, because they hoped to return to be on the ceasefire line. But why was Cyprus divided when Greek and Turkish Cypriots had long lived side by side on the eastern Mediterranean island? In July 1974, a military coup from Greece arrived in Cyprus, aiming to overthrow the island's elected government.
27:54Days later, Turkey sent troops to the island, saying it was aiming to protect the Turkish Cypriot minority. Turkey has invaded Cyprus and claims tonight to have taken control of an area in the north of the island. This is the invasion of Cyprus. Large numbers of Turkish helicopters, troop-carrying helicopters, coming in over the Kyrenia hill from the direction of Turkey. Under attack, around 180 ,000 Greek Cypriots fled their homes, thinking they would be able to return days later. But Turkey went on to control around a third of the island, resulting in a self-proclaimed Turkish north and an internationally recognised Greek Cypriot south.
28:32United Nations troops took on the role of supervising an 180km ceasefire line along the divide. Many of the women who marched in the summer of 1987 had been displaced by the 1974 conflict and wanted to draw attention from the international community on the division of Cyprus and return to the homes they had lost more than a decade earlier. 300 Greek Cypriot women and a handful of supporters from overseas had planned their demonstration under the slogan, Women Return, like a military operation, keeping the exact spot where they were going to try and breach the ceasefire line between the Greek and Turkish parts of Cyprus a secret until the last minute.
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29:10And their aim today was to cross the ceasefire line, then perhaps return to their homes. Nikki Katsoni was in her 30s when she said goodbye to her family to help plan the Women Return March. Because our aim was to reach a hill, Aronas, that has a guard of Turkish troops. So we wanted to go to the other side. This was the whole idea of breaking the military line with white flags, with peace. Nobody knew where we would break the line because we were going to do it in a clandestine way. I see. But the story leaked out in a big newspaper, so it was no good hiding. I have the photograph of our first press conference, and we say we are going to march home, but we are not going to say when or where.
30:09The government, women's organizations, most of them were against. They said, don't do that. And before our first walk, there were some very bitter comments in newspapers saying, these mad women are going to start a war between Cyprus and Turkey. I mean, how could a peace march of women create a war? We had all the right to go home. We hadn't done anything. We didn't have any animosity towards anybody. So we decided to show to the world what was happening in Cyprus. The press said the women, many of them housewives who had never engaged in politics before, were provoking geopolitical tensions capable of reigniting the conflict.
31:11On the day, Greek Cypriot police tried to stop the march, concerned the women were putting their lives at risk by trying to cross into dangerous territory. So the march organisers tricked their own police force by telling women from all over Cyprus to meet in the capital, Nicosia. We said to people, our buses will be there to take us to where we are going to break the line. So some buses went to one direction and you had all the police in Nicosia running after them. And some buses went on to another direction. So the police didn't know where we were going. When we arrived at Aronas, there was no police there chasing us.
31:56Once the buses made it to the secret starting point, the women began to walk. To protect themselves, they all wore skirts, as they thought the Turkish army might interpret them as Greek soldiers and open fire if they wore trousers. The women also held white flags and banners. I love those banners because they express everything we wear. We just come in peace. We want to go home. I mean, which was obvious. And it was in English, in Greek and in Turkish. And in that march, there were women from all walks of life. You could see that from what they were wearing. It was a very colorful crowd, very young and very old, very foreign-looking and very familiar.
32:50People we knew and people we didn't know. But there was this kind of aura going through us all that makes us go in the same rhythm. But that rhythm would be forced to stop in its tracks. Beineke's side was her friend Cleopatra. We didn't know. We had to go through a minefield. The whole field was spread with these small notices saying mines. And we had to get another side. We were scared, all of us, because we had to walk on a very narrow, elevated passage of the soil. It fell to four in the mines. So Cleopatra and I got on to the very narrow passage. We look at each other and I think we thought of the same thing.
33:47If something happens to us, this is Guttal. And she told me afterwards that she felt that concern. I remember that look in her face as I talked to you today. Maybe we will come out with the light. But the group do make it through the minefield, hoping to pass UN troops in the buffer zone and enter the occupied area. And then the Peace Force of the United Nations try to hold us back. Not to go up to the hill where the Turkish troops were. We could see them from afar. So there was a kind of running and grabbing. There have been scuffles between Greek Cypriot women and United Nations troops in the security zone, which separates the Greek part of Cyprus from the Turkish-controlled north of the island.
34:42The clashes took place as the women who were demonstrating against the partition of Cyprus tried to cross the mile-wide zone to confront Turkish soldiers near Nicosia. The women sat on the ground, forming a line between the UN and the Turkish army. At sundown, they turned back. They were thwarted by a combination of United Nations peacekeeping forces, the extreme heat and an old minefield. It was a very cold day. Yeah. We were sweating and they had put in my bra some cigarettes. And when I came home, they were all melted. Not the ending she had hoped for, but the Greek Cypriot women who marched that day had made their point.
35:23The world took notice. Nikki Katsuni was speaking to Elena Angelidis. Now these days, it's relatively common to hear about cases of people infected with Lyme disease, an illness passed on by ticks. But that wasn't the case, only a few decades ago. When children in the US town of Lyme began falling ill, no one knew what was happening. That is, until Professor Alan Steer helped to identify the condition. He told Rena Stanton-Sharma how the story unfolded. Our family have lived in Lyme in this area for 25 years, and when we first moved here, I started having some odd symptoms, as some of the others in the family did, but mostly it was my symptoms in the beginning, with rashes and joint pain and severe headaches and stiff necks.
36:12and fevers. That's Polly Murray, a mother from Lyme, Connecticut, a scenic rural town nestled along the eastern banks of the Connecticut River on America's east coast. Speaking to a BBC TV programme in 1987, she explained what she'd noticed. Our symptoms became so acute and the patterns so definite that I realised that we must do something about trying to find someone that would do some research into what was going on. And so in October of 1975, I called the Connecticut State Health Department. That call would eventually lead to the first identification of Lyme disease in the US, a bacterial infection passed to humans by blood-sucking parasites called ticks.
37:02Professor Alan Steer had started a fellowship at Yale University just months earlier, when he was contacted by the health department. This led to a meeting with Polly. She'd kept a notebook about children that she knew of in this small community who had developed arthritis. I asked my chief of rheumatology about this and said that I would like to join in working on this cluster of arthritis cases. and he said, fine, take about six months and see what you can do. And of course, I've been working on this now for nearly 50 years. Dr. Steer, who was in his early 30s, had been carrying out research into rheumatology, inflammatory conditions including rheumatoid arthritis, which causes painful and stiff joints.
37:55We invited the children to come to Yale for investigation. We were able to identify 39 children in this small community who had recently had or currently had arthritis. And that would be 100 times what one would expect for juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, which is how the children had originally been diagnosed often. A quarter of them lived on one of two roads where one in 10 children had arthritis. That's completely unheard of. Polly and her children had seen over 30 doctors who'd suggested 50 possible diagnoses, but she was convinced there was more to it. She'd noted down that she felt worse during the summer.
38:47Dr. Steer found that the young people who ranged from around five years old to teenagers had had unusual skin markings or lesions which started appearing before their joint problems. One person described it this way. That it started in the front of their body and the two sides met on the back. So this large spreading unusual skin lesion. It was a quarter of the patients, but because the clustering suggested to us an arthropod-transmitted illness, we were quite interested in this skin lesion. An insect is a type of arthropod. An arthropod is a more general term, but a tick is an arthropod because in the adult stages, it has eight legs rather than six.
39:36And a tick is a small spider-like creature which feeds on the blood of birds, mammals and humans. You may not even feel a bite, which can cause flu-like symptoms. Here's that BBC documentary. The tick usually feeds on white-tailed deer. And in 1975, there'd been a big increase in the deer population, with a consequent rise in the number of ticks. Perhaps there was a link with the severe arthritis that Polly Murray's family had suffered that summer. The ticks were feeding on blood from the deer, then dropping back to the ground to lay their eggs and to bite unsuspecting humans. Treating these bites was to reveal an important new clue about the cause of the arthritis.
40:20After this crucial discovery, Dr Steer spoke with a Danish colleague and realised that they could treat people with penicillin, antibiotic medication. In Europe, the skin lesion was thought to be tick transmitted, and that skin lesion was thought to respond to antibiotic therapy. And there were a few cases in which the skin lesion had preceded a neurologic illness. Neurologists thought that the skin lesion was a viral infection, most likely. And because of the experience in Europe, thinking that the skin lesion responded to antibiotic therapy, we began to treat patients with penicillin, which had been used generally to treat the skin lesion.
41:10And in comparison with the patients we'd seen earlier who were not treated with antibiotics, the skin lesion did resolve somewhat faster. And it often prevented subsequent arthritis. From this, we learned that this was likely a tick-transmitted, penicillin-sensitive agent that was causing this illness. This was a huge breakthrough. Not only had he discovered a new disease, they'd found a potential treatment too. But Dr. Steer, who is now one of the most renowned rheumatologists globally, remains humble about that vital step in medicine. That's gratifying, but understanding human disease is often very complicated.
41:58And even though you can come up with a treatment that helps most people, you're often left with a part of the population that just has a harder time with it. You've probably joined the dots. The disease was named after the town Polly was from, Lyme, Connecticut, where it was first found. And then, in 1981, a self-described tick surgeon discovered something new. It was Willie Bergdorfer who had been studying this Ixodes scapularis type of tick. And his particular ability was to dissect even these very small ticks under the microscope and be able to look at their organs, trying to see if he could identify an infectious agent.
42:48And he was the one who actually first saw this bacteria, which is now called, its Latin name is Borrelia burgdorferi. Most of the children who took part in that 1975 study fully recovered. It's generally not as serious an infection at all if one has vaccination. Dev from Lyme disease is quite unusual, but it can happen. The infection can affect all layers of the heart. And if that happens and it's not recognized, it's been a cause of death and generally in younger people. So it can be quite a serious infection, even though most recover from it. Understanding these complexities remains Dr. Steer's lifelong passion.
43:39One is still left with parts of this that are difficult to understand and which we do not have treatments that work really well. An important goal for me is really to work with the next generation.
44:00Alan Steer speaking to Reena Stanton-Sharma. and I have reason to be grateful to Dr Stier and his colleagues because last year I myself was successfully treated for Lyme disease after being bitten by a tick in the forest where I live. Next we're going to Australia where in 1974 a geologist by the name of Dr Jim Bowler uncovered a 42 ,000 year old skeleton. The remains became known as Mungo Man so called after the ancient lake bed where he was found. The discovery transformed our understanding of Australia's past as Dr Bowler has been telling Rachel Naylor.
44:39It's the 1970s and we're in the barren, remote Wollandra Lakes region in New South Wales. But unlike the name suggests, there are no longer any lakes. They dried up 15 ,000 years ago. Geologist Dr Jim Bowler from the Australian National University in Canberra is here to study ancient climate change. I was puzzled by the extent of dunes all up and down across the country, but no desert. And the existence of dry basins that we called lakes, but no water. So I decided that my geology was going to try to unwrap the story of those ancient landscapes. But that's not his only aim. Six years earlier, in 1968, Jim had accidentally found some ancient human bones.
45:30They became known as Mungo Lady as she was found next to Lake Mungo, and she was estimated to be around 40 ,000 years old, far older than any other human remains found in Australia. Jim is sure there must be more out there. On the 26th of February 1974, due to a rare storm, he takes shelter in a solitary sheep station more than 100 kilometres from the nearest town. I was locked up in what was the shearers' quarters where the sheep, I was sitting there, but I had my notebooks. You couldn't work in the wet. So I waited, and then the sky cleared, the sun came out, and I thought, I'm going to get out here.
46:12The rains, they sweep the surface, so they bring a new series of discoveries.
46:20For that reason, Jim is feeling confident about the day ahead. So confident, he writes in his notebook. I'm going out today to sign I might find something really interesting. Wearing a safari hat, sunglasses and a leather jacket, Jim heads out on his motorbike to explore the dunes in the sun. Probably about by the middle of the day, I noticed a white bone appearing on the windblown sandy surface. I thought, first case, it was a wombat, so I swept away just with my hands the tip of these bones, and below this round patch on the surface, there was clearly a human jawbone, and that immediately implied the probable presence of a body on the ground on which I was then standing.
47:07I got back quickly as possible to the nearest telephone, rang my colleagues in Canberra. And at this stage, they already knew that, well, Bolar had found a few things of interest before, so they came immediately this time with a team of people. Here was the further proof of ancient human life that Jim had been hoping for. At 4.18pm, he writes in his trusty notebook, Eureka! The Next Mungo Edition. Within 48 hours, his colleagues from the university, including archaeologist Dr Alan Thorne, arrived to excavate the bones. Unlike Mungo Lady, here was a complete skeleton and there was more. Thorne said to me, watch this.
47:49He gave me a little pellet and it was a pellet of iron oxide. And so immediately the penny dropped that this was not just iron oxide, it was ochre. And we could see a faint trace around the margins of the body that there was a faint reddening. This trace continued down from cranium down to the groin. This body had been anointed. This was huge news. It showed that those who buried Mungoman were more sophisticated than previously thought, as this BBC documentary from 1975 explains. Red ochre in the grave can only signify that the ancient people of this lake believed in an afterlife and had created religious rituals at least as early as modern man in Europe.
48:34They have the earliest cremation in the world, which also indicates religion, and their pellets of ochre may make them the first artists. So that all came together on that single day. Not bad for a day that started with Jim stranded on a sheep farm in the rain. The skeleton, a hunter-gatherer with arthritis who died around the age of 50, was nicknamed Mungoman. He was buried on his back with his hands crossed in his lap. It took time to understand and appreciate the full significance of what we were seeing. The dating at that time, all we could say was certainly well beyond 20 ,000. Jim's colleagues went further and estimated that Mungo Man was older than that, maybe even 63 ,000 years old.
49:19They had received worldwide acknowledgement that this was a new history to Australia. And I was approached by the media in Melbourne, the Melbourne Age, and I was very sceptical about those dates because they did not fit the geology. So I said to the reporter, look, I don't believe those dates. And if you believe them, you believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden. And the media lady said, well, look, we'll quote you on that. No, no, no, you can't. I didn't say it. I'll say I never said it. So next day, the Melbourne Age came out. Bowler says the age of the Mungo Man is ridiculous.
50:01Jim's instincts were right. Carbon dating later showed Mungoman was about 42 ,000 years old, which still made him Australia's oldest known human skeleton. That's nearly 10 times older than the pyramids of Egypt. His remains were taken to the Australian National University to be studied, and in 1979 the area he was found in became a national park and a World Heritage Site in 1981. But Indigenous Australians viewed the excavation as a violation of their sacred traditions. How did you feel about the bones being moved at the time? Oh, that's come back to bite us. The reality was the bones were taken without permission.
50:43That's true. At that time, the Indigenous people from that area had been removed probably 50, 60 years earlier. So I didn't meet any in my work there for many years until after the appearance of the Mungo people, when Aboriginal people came and said, hey, look, hey, wait a minute, this is our history, not yours. Indigenous Australians from the region campaigned for Mungoman to be returned to his ancestral home. In 2015, the Australian National University apologised for their original excavation. Two years later, Mungoman was returned to Mungo National Park and in 2022, in accordance with the wishes of the Indigenous community, he was reburied in a secret location to protect his remains from desecration.
51:32Jim believes the fact it was undisclosed is a missed opportunity. For me, it was a sad and unfortunate moment. A pilgrimage place where people could come and honour not just the bones, but the ancestral people. That never happened. Lake Mungo itself is a pilgrimage place for many people. They go there and they see the land and the amazing record of ancient people, but not the full story, not the spiritual dimension of the Mungo people. That's the story Australia still waits to digest. Mungo Man is no longer regarded as Australia's oldest remains. In 2017, evidence was discovered to suggest that Aboriginal people have been in Australia for even longer, 65 ,000 years.
52:21But Jim's discoveries helped redefine our scientific understanding of early Australians. It clearly was a moment of life-changing significance, both not to me, but also to Australian history. I have spent 50-odd years in the company with Mungo Man. He's here on my wall today behind me. I talk to him and he talks to me. I listen to him and he's asked me questions. Bowler, what have you done to my land? What have you done to my people? They become real questions to which we have to find answers. That is a dialogue that goes on between me and Mungo Man and will continue whether he's buried or not.
53:05The Australian geologist Jim Bowler, who discovered Mungo Man in 1974, he was speaking to Rachel Naylor. For this week's sporting witness, now that the FIFA World Cup has kicked off, you might remember the last time it was held in the Americas. It was in 2014, and one of the key games involved the host nation Brazil facing Germany. The stadium certainly roared, but not with joy. The German footballer Thomas Müller has been telling Uma Doriswamy what happened that day. I think before the tournament started with our first game, I had the feeling there was a lot of pressure on the team, but we started with a big win against Portugal into the group stage.
53:49I had maybe our biggest party after that in our base camp, so that was a big relief. Thomas Müller is one of Germany's top goal scorers, and in that match against Portugal, he scored a hat-trick, so he's allowed to have enjoyed that party. Both teams made it through their group games undefeated. We found ways to get good results. We had a tough match against the USA, we won it. We turned almost a loss against Ghana around in the last minutes of the game to tie it. We had a difficult game against Algeria, maybe a solid one against France. So it was okay. The Brazilian team, maybe the expectations were really high.
54:33If you have a home World Cup, if you are Brazil, if you look back, what Brazil did between 1994 and almost 2006, The pressure was on them and the expectations of the whole country was really high and they struggled a little bit with their playing style. They made it happen to reach the semis, but they lost Neymar in the quarters. Neymar was Brazil's 22-year-old talismanic forward. He was the team's top scorer, but a back injury meant he would miss the rest of the tournament. Having already lost their captain, Thiago Silva, who was suspended for picking up two yellow cards in earlier games, the team was under even more pressure.
55:13Going into the stadium, the Brazilian team wore caps with Neymar's name on it and held up his shirt during the national anthem Would all the emotion from the team and the fans be too much? When the national anthem was on, it was an incredible atmosphere but you also could feel that the pressure was there It's easy to describe and easy to talk about it that maybe the pressure didn't help them but to be honest, the start of the game of the semis it was maybe not really good from both sides. I watched it back several times and I have to say that a lot of easy mistakes were made but both teams were kind of waiting for a moment.
55:53And that moment came in the 10th minute when Thomas scored from a corner by escaping his marker, David Luiz, in the penalty box and side-footed the ball into the net. It's a great goal but we as players in this World Cup situation, in World Cup semi-finals, we are not there because we won in the lottery. We are there also because we have skills and that was not something out of my skill box, so I was not surprised. What happened next is arguably one of football's biggest humiliations. Regular listeners of Sporting Witness will know that I'm not allowed to use sports commentary for rights reasons.
56:28So Thomas is going to do it for me, describing the goals as they go in minute by minute. OK, let's give it a try. 23rd minute. Right side attack for the Germans, Philipp Lahm. No, no, no, no. Maybe a ball from the right side to Toni Kroos in the centre of the goal outside the box, maybe 25 yards. He passed the ball to a running Thomas Müller. He ran across, laid off for Miroslav Klose. He missed the first shot, converted the second one to 0 for Germany. 24th minute. 24th minute attack on the right side again, very active right side. I don't remember who played on the right side of this game. Maybe it was Philipp Lahm and Thomas Müller.
57:12OK, here we go. So it was a good combination, a good cross from Philipp Lahm. To myself, it was a great touch to just deflect it. The others will say, I missed the shot. The ball went through to Tony Cruz and he took it with his left foot. One-timer, half-volley, brilliant technique, smashed it into the back of the net. 26 minutes. 26th minute, I think a crucial ball loss for the Brazilians. Semikadira maybe took it, played a 1-2 with Toni Kroos and Toni Kroos scored. 29th minute. 29th minute, Mats Hummels was dribbling the ball through the midfield, almost lost it but made it happen. Played the ball through with a long last step, almost a tackling.
57:58He played the ball to Mesut Ozil. He was slightly offside, maybe three to five centimetres. Had a nice quick combination with Cadira again, passed it back to him and he finished 5-0. Good work, Thomas. 5-0. It took only 29 minutes for the Germans to completely dismantle Brazil's defence and with it, the country's spirit. Fans were crying in the stands. This was not how it was meant to happen. At half-time, both teams tried to take it all in. If you look up to the scoreboards and it's 5-0 in a semifinal in Brazil against Brazil, then you realize or you don't realize what really happens. But you realize that you don't realize it, if this makes sense.
58:42It was not dreamland. It was more like we didn't know what land it was. But we tried to stay calm or we tried to just accept it. And in halftime, when we had the first time, a few seconds more to think about it, we looked around in the locker room and everyone was a little bit like, what happened here? The German manager, Jürgen Löw, told his players to keep their concentration up and not to become arrogant on the pitch. Try to settle down emotions a little bit, try to remind us to stick to our plan, to stick to our style, to play these kind of games, to play especially not disrespectful in some moments.
59:20Sometimes maybe when you are hyped up like this, maybe you have some moments you try some nutmegs or stuff like that and he wanted to avoid these situations to play with respect. But we were pretty sure that we will go through, to be honest, after the first 45 minutes. The second half kicked off and Brazil found their composure for a bit. But in the 69th minute, German forward André Schürrle scored and again, 10 minutes later, making it 7-0. By now, the remaining Brazilian fans in the stadium started applauding the German team and gave them a standing ovation. Brazil's Oscar scored in the 90th minute, but it was no comfort.
1:00:02Thomas spoke to his Bayern Munich teammate, Dante, after the match to try to console him. We had a short chat, but you feel a little bit uncomfortable or sorry for people you know when you know they're in these situations when their expectations were that high. And yeah, in the end, the 7-1, it was a crazy result. And the post-mortem on how Brazil collapsed began. Not in their worst nightmares did anyone in Brazil think this is how it would end. But everywhere, heads dropped, mouths opened wide, and people cried as this proud footballing country was completely humiliated. The stadium emptied and the fan fest fell quiet.
1:00:40No one in Brazil had seen this coming. I think it's really sad in the end to end the competition, to end the championship with this kind of negative result. For Brazil, for the Brazilian people, it's very embarrassing. But for Thomas and his teammates, their job was to keep their focus. I think everyone was amazed and a little bit shocked in a positive way. but the thing is when you win a semi-final like that the job was not done so it was not like that we had the big party after the semi-final craziness was more for the fans, for the spectators for us it was just one more step closer to our goal and I remember it very clearly that we were very focused right after the game because we knew, okay, now the last step is waiting for us
1:01:37The tormentor of many international defences, not just Brazil's, Germany's Thomas Müller was speaking to Uma Doriswamy. There are lots of football stories from the past on our website. Find them by going to bbc.com slash witness history and then looking for Sporting Witness, Kuwait's only World Cup appearance, the Panenka penalty, Van Basten's wonder goal and many more. You'll find them there. That's it, though, for this edition of the History Hour. We'll be back next week. I hope you can join us again then. This is Max Pearson from all of us here. Thanks for listening. Goodbye. From the pioneers.
1:02:12We weren't going to ask mission. We're just going to do it. And the celebrations. You feel you have, you win. I feel it. I was first. I was first. We were so proud of ourselves. And Cameron was proud of us, too. I still cannot believe it. It was such an amazing feeling. It was incredible. To the humiliations. I did cry most of the half. Oh man, I'm failing. I'm failing this sport that I love. Sporting Witness takes you to the events that have shaped the sports world through the eyes of the people who were there. It's not just about the sport. It's about all the other things that people with disabilities learn from each other.
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Max Pearson presents a collection of the week’s Witness History interviews from the BBC World Service. Our guest is Professor Rachel E. Johnson, Professor of Modern African History at Durham University in the UK.
We begin with the 50th anniversary of the Soweto Uprising, which became a defining symbol of youth resistance to apartheid. We hear from one of the students who took part in the protest, which was violently suppressed by South African security forces in June 1976.
Then we have the harrowing account of an ethnic Georgian poet who fled his home in Abkhazia when the breakaway region was engulfed in war in 1993.
We also hear from one of the Greek Cypriot women who, in 1987, marched towards the ceasefire line dividing Cyprus to protest against the island’s partition.
Next, the scientist who identified Lyme disease in 1976.
Plus, the discovery of the remains known as “Mungo Man”, a 42,000‑year‑old skeleton that transformed understanding of Australia’s ancient past.
And Brazil’s heaviest defeat in a World Cup, which happened on home soil in 2014.
Contributors:
Professor Rachel E. Johnson – Professor of Modern African History, Durham University
Bongi Mkhabela – Soweto Uprising participant
Guram Odisharia – Georgian poet from Abkhazia
Niki Katsaouni – Greek Cypriot peace activist
Dr Jim Bowler – geologist
Prof Allen Steere – rheumatologist
Thomas Müller – German footballer
(Photo: Black students protesting against the compulsory teaching of Dutch-based Afrikaans in schools. Credit: Getty)
