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The History Hour - Episode Overview: Banky's 'Dismaland' and the Paris Climate Agreement
Episode Summary In this episode of The History Hour, host Max Pearson guides listeners through a variety of historical narratives, beginning with the street artist Banksy and his 2015 project 'Dismaland', and culminating in the Paris Climate Agreement's adoption in 2015. The episode features personal accounts, expert interviews, and archival recordings to explore pivotal moments in art, environmentalism, and social justice.
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Key Segments
- Banksy's 'Dismaland'
- Overview: Dismaland was a satirical take on the amusement park genre, created by Banksy in Weston-super-Mare. It critiqued consumer culture and societal issues.
- Insights from Contributors:
- Curtis Young: A steward at Dismaland who initially thought he was auditioning for a film. His job required him to maintain a gloomy atmosphere, which was part of the park's concept.
- Cultural Impact: Despite its bleak theme, Dismaland attracted over 150,000 visitors, generating approximately £20 million for the local economy.
- Artistic Installations: Featured works highlighted issues like climate change, war, and surveillance, prompting visitors to reflect critically on contemporary society.
- The Coelacanth Discovery
- Historical Context: The coelacanth was believed to have been extinct for 65 million years until its discovery in 1938 by South African curator Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer.
- Significance: The fish is a crucial link in the evolutionary chain, providing insight into the transition from sea to land life.
- Marjorie's Experience: Her detailed documentation of the fish's discovery and preservation efforts showcases the challenges of scientific discovery in the early 20th century.
- South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission
- Background: Following apartheid, the commission aimed to address human rights violations and foster reconciliation.
- Key Testimonies: Included harrowing accounts of violence and torture experienced by victims.
- Commissioner's Perspective: Justice Sisi Khampepe discussed the complexities of granting amnesty to perpetrators who disclosed their actions, emphasizing the ongoing challenges of reconciliation.
- The IRA Siege on Balcombe Street
- Event Overview: A six-day hostage situation involving a middle-aged couple, John and Sheila Matthews, in London in December 1975, orchestrated by the IRA.
- Personal Accounts: Steve Moysey, a witness, recounted the chaos and tension during the siege, highlighting police strategies and negotiations with the IRA members.
- Negotiation Dynamics: The police's psychological tactics included leveraging media coverage to facilitate the release of the hostages.
- The Paris Climate Agreement
- Historical Significance: Adopted in December 2015, it marked a significant global commitment to combat climate change.
- Christiana Figueres: As head of climate negotiations, she shared personal insights on the intense negotiations, including challenges posed by the terrorist attacks in Paris during the conference.
- Impact: The agreement aimed to limit global warming to below 2 degrees Celsius and has since influenced international climate policies.
- International Skiing in Afghanistan
- Bamiyan Ski Scene (2011): The episode concludes with the uplifting story of skiing in Bamiyan, Afghanistan, where local athletes emerged amidst a backdrop of conflict.
- Alishah Farhang: One of Afghanistan's top skiers, his journey highlights the intersection of sport and societal change, along with the challenges faced under Taliban rule.
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Key Takeaways
- Art as Commentary: Banksy's Dismaland serves as a powerful reminder of how art can challenge societal norms and stimulate dialogue on critical issues.
- Evolutionary Discovery: The resurgence of the coelacanth emphasizes how scientific discoveries can reshape our understanding of history and evolution.
- Reconciliation and Justice: The Truth and Reconciliation Commission illustrates the complexities of healing a nation plagued by past atrocities.
- Climate Action: The Paris Climate Agreement represents a landmark achievement in international cooperation to combat climate change, reflecting growing awareness and urgency.
- Cultural Resilience: The development of skiing in Afghanistan showcases the human spirit's capacity for resilience and hope in the face of adversity.
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Contributors
- Curtis Young: Steward at Dismaland
- Megan MacCausland: Roller coaster enthusiast, European Coaster Club
- Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer: South African museum curator (archive)
- Justice Sisi Khampepe: Member of the Amnesty Committee
- Steven Moysey: Witness of the Balcombe Street siege
- Christiana Figueres: Head of climate negotiations at COP21
- Alishah Farhang: Afghan skier
Photo Credit: Dismaland in Weston Super-Mare (Kristian Buus/Getty Images)
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This episode of The History Hour provides a rich tapestry of narratives that highlight the convergence of art, history, and social change, urging listeners to reflect on the past and its implications for the future.
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1:00Hello and welcome to the History Hour with me, Max Pearson. History as told by the people who were there. Coming up, Dismaland, the story of the artist Banksy's dystopian theme park. Also, one of the greatest discoveries of the last century, the coelacanth, a fish thought to be extinct, and our ancestor. When the specimen came in and I found it to be something unique, I strove to do all I could to preserve it. The specimen weighed 127 pounds. Plus the trauma thrown up by South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, the 1975 IRA Balkan Street siege in London. This is Scott's restaurant in Mayfair, the scene of a Chicago-style shooting.
1:41A dark Ford Cortino motor car drove by and an automatic weapon put two bullet holes through these windows. And tension at the Paris Climate Summit in 2015. Whoever was holding the pen changed the word. No one said anything, and it went to print and to distribution for the next day. But first, the opposite of fun. This is from 2015, when the publicity-shy street artist known as Banksy turned a derelict site in the west of England into a dystopian theme park. Dismaland, a bemusement park, offered a satirical twist on mainstream resorts. Reena Stanton-Sharma has been hearing from someone whose job it was to remain dismal in Dismaland.
2:25Welcome to Dismaland. Enjoy. Please have that bit of the ticket ready to be scanned. Every day, 4 ,000 came with tickets booked online. 500 more queued in all weathers for walk-up admission. A lady last week flew in from Japan. She spent over 12 hours on her flight, landed at Heathrow, then got a taxi from Heathrow down to here, which cost her several hundred pounds. She queued in the rain for six hours, got absolutely drenched, went into the site for two hours, got a taxi back, flew home and said it was the best experience she'd ever had. That experience was Banksy's Dismore Land, the street artist's satirical take on the amusement park.
3:07It was built on the dilapidated site of Western Supermare's Tropicana Lido, which enjoyed its heyday back in the 60s and was left to fall into disrepair when it closed in 2000. As a child, Banksy is said to have visited the seaside town in the west of England. He's best known for his spray-painted stencil designs on the sides of buildings. Once in a lifetime, isn't it? Yeah. It's Western Supermire. There hasn't been anything here for ages. Yeah, it's the Tropicana. They're finally doing something with it. Were we really, really excited? It was a bit surreal. Not even that I was a part of it, but for a month and a bit, the eyes of the world were on Western Supermare, the tiny seaside town which I'm from, which doesn't have the best reputation.
3:54Being able to work at this smaller hand was a big honour, really, a life-changing opportunity just to do something different I never thought I'd be able to do. I always think fondly of my time there and the fun I had. That's Curtis Young, who was 21, when he unknowingly signed up to become a steward, believing that he was going to be an extra in a movie. Dismal Land was constructed at night and locals were led to believe it was a film set for a Hollywood thriller. When Curtis was finally told that he wasn't going to be starring in a movie, he had to sign an NDA, ensuring the elusive artist's secret project didn't get out.
4:34After three days of training and acting lessons on staying miserable, His job was to provide a gloomy experience to visitors as a parody on consumer culture. Smiling and being too friendly was a sackable offence at this small land. If you were seen to be being too friendly, you were unfortunately let go. Walking through their doors for the first time, smelling the sea air, smell of candy floss being made. Just looking around this derelict pool, the Tropicana, and what they had done to it with all the installations. Many of them making you think, really, at the time the horse meat scandal was going on and they had a carousel with a little horse hanging from the top with a butcher in front of it.
5:18Also an installation that's still very relevant today, the refugee boats behind the backdrop of the White Cliffs of Dover. There's little remote control boats and you can either control the refugee boats or the force boats. But yeah, even today it's still very culturally relevant to what's happening in our country and the wider world. Every piece was made in a way to make you think, make you step back. It is beautiful art, but it's also got a message to it as well if you stand there and look at it and really think about it. And installations on climate change, war and surveillance did get people thinking.
5:53Tickets cost just£3, that's about$4, and fans scrambled to buy them, crashing the website in the process. Touts even seized the opportunity to make some quick cash, selling tickets for as much as£600 a pair, according to news reports. And Hollywood A-listers even wanted to find out what all the fuss was about. They also had Brad Pitt come on down for a special showing. They closed the park specifically for him. Neil Patrick Harris as well. So yeah, it really did interest a lot of people. And do you have any mementos from your experience? The Dismal Stewards were dressed in a pink high-vis vest with Dismal on the back and a pair of metal Mickey Mouse-style ears made of two paint can lids.
6:38So I was fortunate enough to take some of them home, although I shouldn't have really, but I was told just go for it anyway. I wonder how much they'd be worth now. Yeah, they're worth quite a lot of money. Stewards like Curtis were dotted around Dismaland and one of the jobs was to carry out security checks. So as soon as you walk in, you're greeted by this airport security-style art installation where you're patted down, basically, you're shouted at, you're asked if you've got anything you shouldn't have on you. It was, yeah, black and white cardboard. It's very jarring because it's the first thing you walk into.
7:12It's clinical, dark, dismal. I really wanted to have a go at that one. Because of the way I looked at the time, I had my long hair. I'm a smaller man. I was told by the organisers that I didn't really fit what they were looking for. I wasn't intimidating enough to be an airport security guard. The funny thing is, a couple of years after, I was an airport security guard for real for five years. Over the five weeks it was open, Curtis would get up to mischief by kicking over children's sandcastles, cheating at fairground games and generally causing chaos. This was how a reporter described the dystopian attraction.
7:48This is Dismal Bemusement Park. It looks dilapidated and it's very thought-provoking. So a slightly darker feeling carousel. And as you walk around, there are images everywhere, sculptures, pieces of artwork. This is one of the 10 Banksy's here on this site. A woman covered in seagulls fighting them off, with one just looking at her from the top of the bench. Other artists also displayed subversive and controversial works. Installations included a fire-ravaged castle, a riot police van half submerged in a lake and an upturned Cinderella's pumpkin. Inside the castle, it was a play on the Princess Diana incident with Cinderella's carriage having crashed and Cinderella just hanging over the door of the carriage.
8:40And in front of her were just a number of paparazzi taking pictures. The installation itself was like flash. So yeah, it was just a play on the Diana incident. And I think that was just one of the examples of how you're like, yeah, this is impressive, this is a really good piece of art, but then when you sit back and think and join the dots together, basically, it really does make you think about the world we live in. Here are some of the 150 ,000 people who managed to secure a coveted ticket. It was rather offset by the three-and-a-half-hour wait in the queue, and I've run out of time, so I'm only in half an hour.
9:12But no, I enjoyed it. There's some really odd things going on in there. It's just nice to go somewhere you have to think about things and put the clues together. And it's obviously taken a huge amount of hours of work. Some of the detail in there is just incredible. How they did it all under the cover was just amazing. It's kind of like not what you expect at all, even though you've heard a lot about it. There's so much to do, and the staff are hilarious. Even though he's huge in the art world, and his work sells for millions, Banks' identity remains, officially at least, unknown. A lot of us did notice this certain man wondering about, paying very close attention to what was going on, often moving things around and just working on things.
9:54Very friendly, but not there to have a conversation with you, not there to socialise, just there to do the job. And, yeah, a lot of us did think maybe that's the man himself. Did you speak to him? I smiled at him on occasion, walking past each other, like, hello, how are you? But, yeah, no conversation was had. Not only were you part of his vision, you also believed that you'd met him. That's quite a claim to fame, isn't it? Yeah, and I think I'm very lucky to have maybe have met him, and it's not something I go about bragging about, and I don't like to reveal too much about how he was. That was Curtis Young, one of the employees at Banksy's dystopian theme park Dismaland in 2015.
10:33He was talking to Rena Stanton-Sharma. During its brief existence, Dismaland sold thousands of tickets daily and injected an estimated£20 million, or more than$26 million, into the local economy, which begs the question, is there money in misery? Megan McCausland is a roller coaster enthusiast from the European Coaster Club, which takes a particular interest in theme parks and the rides they offer. Welcome, Megan. So are there other dystopian amusement parks around the world? Absolutely. I would say you really don't get more dystopian than the amusement park in Pripyat in Ukraine, Pripyat being the city that was built to house the workers at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant.
11:18It never opened. It was due to open on May the 1st, 1986. And the accident happened on April the 26th. This place has just stood motionless ever since then. So the theme park stands as a monument, if you like, to what happened. And it's still visited today, isn't it? I think they call it extreme tourism because, of course, you know, you think going to Chernobyl, you think radiation levels, is it safe? But it's just, it's so creepy. For example, the dodgems, usually you have a roof over them. And all that's left of the roof is just the skeleton, the framework that would have held the canopy over top of the ride.
12:02And you have, you know, the Ferris wheel, these cars just rusting away. There's a paratrooper. It's all motionless. The wood is rotting. The metal is rusty. Theme parks around the world are famous for the rides that they offer people as well. And, of course, we've got bigger and better, more scary roller coaster rides all over the world these days. But this is a history show. So let's go back to where did the idea of putting people on rides to make them scared come from? The idea of roller coasters is believed to have originated in Russia back in the 17th and 18th centuries, where people would build ice slides and people would just go up and slide down these things.
12:51What about what you might call the first modern roller coaster with cars on wheels going up and down tracks that were supposed to be, well, scary? So the first generally accepted roller coaster, modern roller coaster, would be what was called the Switchback Railway at Coney Island in 1884. And that was a ride in which people sat on a bench-like seat and they coasted down hills. As technology improved and people had a better understanding of how these rides operated, it took over naturally where you'd have designers trying to one-up each other. And the result is, well, what you have now. I mean, there's dozens of ride manufacturers and so many different types of rides and roller coasters.
13:45And some of the theme parks that have emerged are truly strange. So just describe a couple of them that are just basically odd. Yes. For example, there's a park in Italy where that started off as a restaurant and the owner realized that he really enjoyed welding. And many years later, he basically has the coolest backyard of all time with a bunch of homemade human powered rides. There's a park in Japan called Yomiuri Land, and they have what might be the most random and yet so creative water ride out there in that it's a boat ride themed to a ramen noodle factory. And so you're in this little raft and you're floating through a place where there's, you know, you have the noodle conveyor belt and there's displays of noodles and a giant tea kettle with boiling water.
14:40And now there are some truly weird ones in various places around the world. And let me put it to you, people like you who travel long distances to go and try them. What's the furthest that you've been to do a ride? There's no place that would be too far. I have been all over the world. The most recent, I went to South Africa and Botswana for a weekend, which coming from Dublin, Ireland, no traveling all that distance. It's a 10 and a half, 11 hour flight for just a weekend. Sounds absolutely mad. We went there specifically to ride this roller coaster at a place called Lion Park Resort. It's a roller coaster that traveled around the UK for many years before being, I suppose you could say, retired from the European market.
15:31And this place in Botswana took it. And it's a great ride. It's a fantastic ride. That's Megan McCausland, roller coaster enthusiast from the European Coaster Club. In the broadest possible sweep of history, evolutions and extinctions are perhaps the most pertinent stories. How did we get here, and what went before? Every now and then a discovery is made which sheds light on those questions. So it was in 1938, when a South African museum curator called Marjorie Courtney Latimer discovered the coelacanth, a fish that was believed to have been extinct for 65 million years. Rachel Naylor has been listening through the BBC archives to tell the story.
16:13Of all the tales of life on earth, there is one more fabulous than all the others. The story of how we got our legs. Scientists believe that long ago a fish came onto the land, grew legs and started to walk. It is one of the most crucial events in the history of life because that animal is our ancestor. But how and why that fish grew legs is one of the biggest mysteries in evolution. It baffled the finest minds in science for over a century. That is, until 1938. The curator of the East London Museum on South Africa's southeast coast was idly sifting through a fisherman's catch when she spotted something unusual, as she told the BBC in 2001.
17:0322nd of December 1938 was a wonderful day. I came onto this most beautiful fish. It was just on five foot. It was silver and gold and green and blue and had white kind of flecks on it. And to my horror, it had these limb-like fins. And I thought to myself, what on earth can this be? I've never seen a fish like this. That's Marjorie Courtney Latimer. She rushed the 1.5 metre long fish off to have it preserved. Then she wrote to JLB Smith, an ichthyologist or fish biologist, to ask him to come and identify it. Here's the letter, which was voiced by an actor for the BBC in 2018. Dear Dr Smith, I had the most queer-looking specimen brought to notice yesterday.
17:58It is coated in heavy scales, almost armour-like, the fins resemble limbs, and are scaled right up to a fringe of filament. The spinous dorsal has tiny white spines down each filament. Note drawing inked in red. Marjorie went on to describe how she picked away the layers of slime to reveal the most beautiful fish she had ever seen. But this was just before Christmas. It was more than a week before JLB picked up her letter. He sent back a telegram immediately on the 3rd of January 1939, saying simply, Most important preserved skeleton and gills equals fish described. This was the summer in South Africa, and without refrigeration, Marjorie had to preserve the fish by stuffing it, as she explained in another letter.
18:42Dear Dr. Smith, when the specimen came in and I found it to be something unique, I strived to do all I could to preserve it. The specimen weighed£127 and was in good condition, only it was very hot and work had to proceed at once. I have done every possible thing to preserve and not lose any points and feel worried to think in the end I allowed the body and gills to be discarded. Kind regards. Sincere yours. Marjorie Courtney Letimer. JLB was astounded. He wrote back, From your drawing and description, the fish resembles forms which have been extinct for many a long year. I feel it must be of great scientific value.
19:25A month later, in February, J.R.B. was able to visit East London and see it for himself. Here's Marjorie again. He stood at the head of the table and he said, well, lass, this fish will be on the lips of every scientist in the world. It's a silicate. I stood as if stricken to stone. Yes, there was not a shadow of a doubt, scale by scale, bone by bone, fin by fin. It was a true coelacanth. J.L.B. recalled in his 1956 book Old Four Legs. He named the fish Latimeria chalumnai after Marjorie Courtney Latimer and its place of capture, the mouth of the Chalumna River. Coelacanths are elusive creatures that live in depths up to 700 metres below the surface, and they were around 410 million years ago.
20:14They can be huge, up to two metres long, and weigh up to 90 kilograms. The story of this living fossil fish, with its paired lobe fins that move in an alternating pattern like legs, made headlines around the world. Meet Professor Smith of Grahamstown, South Africa, with a model of that famous fish, the coelacanth. Coelacanths are close relatives of the fish that scientists consider as the ancestors of all land animals. I have no doubt that this fish crawls about on the bottom quite easily. Yes, the professor says the fish is a kind of ancestor of man. Poor fish. But JLB knew he would have to find another one to prove it.
20:55He looked for 13 years, until in 1952... It is my astounding privilege to announce to the world the discovery of a second coelacan. The fish was thought so important that a military aircraft was dispatched to retrieve it. JLB flew from Durban, a city on the east coast, to the Comoro Islands off Madagascar, as he told the South African Broadcasting Corporation in 1953. And down we went. We landed. I said, where's the fish? There on the deck, swaled in cotton wool, was the fish. I could not bring myself to touch it. And I asked them to open it, and they did. and I knelt down to look and I'm not ashamed to say that after all that long strain I wept for it was true it was a coelacanth another coelacanth it was more than worth all that long strain he went on to describe how it was caught a lion fisherman armoured Hussian at the village of Dilmoney on the island of Anjuan was fishing in 20 metres of water about 200 yards from shore and caught a large fish on the evening of the 20th of December 1952.
22:15He took it home fortunately did not clean it and next morning took it to the market. As the fish was being sold a native came up, looked at it and said urgently don't sell that and showed the paper there is much money. He ordered the natives to make cuts to put in salt, and most unfortunately they sliced it open all along the body, but no part was lost, and then they covered it with a heap of salt. And so there was the fish, smelly, but the soft parts all there and in good order. Hastily we completed our formalities with no French politeness. I sent cables to my wife and the Prime Minister, and we left at 10 a.m.
23:00and set off down south with the coelacanth and its smell and away from the heat. I was terribly thankful to be in my own country with that fish. The professor unpacked his antique treasure before South Africa's Prime Minister, Dr Malan, who had placed a plane at his disposal to collect the fish before decomposition set in. The coelacanth, thought to have become extinct about 50 million years ago, is described as a fish with arms and may prove to be the link between man and his sea ancestors. If so, we were once a pretty kettle of fish. 20 years later, in 1972, British biologist and broadcaster Sir David Attenborough was making a series about the story of life on Earth.
23:44He headed to the Comoros in search of the coelacanth with underwater photographer Peter Schoons. A fisherman had just arrived in the harbour with a coelacanth in his canoe and it was still alive. Peter grabbed his film camera, rushed down to the harbour and persuaded the fisherman to put his coelacanth back in the water. It was not long for this life. Groggily, it drifted along the bottom with feeble waves of its fleshy fins while Peter swam all around it with his cameras. So the first pictures ever taken of a living coelacanth appeared in our programme. The inimitable David Attenborough ending Rachel Naylor's telling of the story of the coelacanth, the so-called living fossil.
24:28Still to come, the tense negotiations over the Paris Climate Agreement of 2015, plus a couple taken hostage during a six-day IRA siege in London. This is Scott's restaurant in Mayfair, the scene of a Chicago-style shooting. A dark Ford Cortina motor car drove by and an automatic weapon put two bullet holes through these windows. But first, a pivotal moment in the history of South Africa. Following the end of apartheid in the 1990s, the country had to find a way to confront its brutal past without endangering the chance for peace. In 2018, Rebecca Kesby heard from a member of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and a warning, some of the testimony includes descriptions of violence and torture.
25:13The service to mark the start of the Commission's work is in keeping with the spiritual tone set by Archbishop Tutu. We are charged to unearth the truth about our dark past, to lay the ghosts of that past so that they will not return to haunt us. Opening in April 1996 with a religious ceremony led by Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission would hear thousands of hours of testimony over the next two years from victims and perpetrators of human rights violations. I did terrible things. I did terrible things to members of the ANC. Do you remember saying to me that you are able to treat me like an animal?
25:57They put a stick behind your knees and you were hung upside down. Once this was happening, you were suffocating. Open to the public, hundreds of hearings were conducted in town halls, churches and schools across South Africa. It was a most ambitious undertaking and a personal challenge for many involved. As commissioners, we understood that our function was to try and bring people together. But it was a very difficult thing to do as a lawyer because I am black and had myself been a victim of the apartheid regime. Justice Sisi Kampepe now sits as a judge at the Constitutional Court of South Africa.
26:43In 1996, she served on the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. It was divided into three categories. One dealt with the recording of abuse, one with the issue of reparations and rehabilitation, And the third was the most controversial of all, the Amnesty Committee, which pardoned perpetrators of human rights violations committed under the apartheid years if they confessed in full detail to the crime. Sisi Campepe sat on the Amnesty Committee. Sitting in that committee was the most difficult because I think victims did not relate to the functions of the committee because people could not understand how perpetrators could be forgiven merely by disclosing the truth.
27:32The granting of amnesty is still controversial even in today's conversation about the legacy of the Truth Commission. The hearings were broadcast on radio and television in all of South Africa's national languages, But as graphic and distressing details of the truth about apartheid were exposed, the far harder challenge of reconciliation remained. I was beaten up. He took my genitals. He squeezed, squeezed my genitals. What are we doing here? The truth, yes, but how on earth are we going to be reconciled? These hearings provide a forum for those who have been treated in the past as if they were rubbish.
28:27Archbishop Desmond Tutu is a priest and in a way it's his job, isn't it, to forgive people no matter how awful the crime. You're a lawyer. Your job is to lock up bad guys. How did you handle all of that on a personal level? Amnesty did not require anyone to apologize for the acts which they had committed. Though there were occasions when people who applied for amnesty did say sorry, those were few and far in between. As a member of the amnesty committee, I had to decide that these people had to be granted amnesty, not because they were apologetic, but merely because they disclosed the truth. That was really difficult.
29:16There was no other way other than to eliminate these people. When you're talking about elimination, you mean to kill them. That is correct. Of all the terrible evidence Sisi Campepe heard, one case in particular stays in her mind. An horrific example of the very worst of the torture some people suffered. There was an activist who was tied onto the tree upside down with his head almost touching the ground. And what they did was then to make fire. The fire roasted her head all the time while she was still alive. That one human being could treat another in such an inhumane was unthinkable to me.
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30:11We're discussing the extreme end of the violence perpetrated under apartheid. But it's fair to say, isn't it, that everyday life for ordinary people was tough during that time. It felt like hell. Being in a city required a special permit. If you were a black person, absolutely no freedom of movement. It was rampant with security police. The army presence built up on streets that began to look like battlegrounds. By the 1980s, the white minority government was desperate to maintain its power. Police tactics became ever more brutal. Black South Africans weren't even allowed to congregate in groups.
30:57Sisi Campepe herself became a victim of their violence. I had attended a funeral of a fellow student. It was at his funeral at the graveyard where the police again started shooting. I survived. Others were killed on the spot. But it's a scar which is a constant reminder of where I come from. Many criticised the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, claiming that it failed to administer real justice for the victims and allowed perpetrators to literally get away with murder. Whilst Sisi Campepe admits it was an imperfect mechanism, she believes it did help to build a new South Africa. Without the provision of amnesty, there would have been a shroud of secrecy as to what really happened to people who disappeared and people who were brutally killed.
31:58Being part of that process, that unearthed that kind of information, was really the most humbling and significant moment of my life. Sisi Kempepe, who served on South Africa's Amnesty Committee, part of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in the 1990s. She was speaking to Rebecca Kesby in 2018. In the case of South Africa, it was an entire nation caught up in history, apartheid and what followed. At other times and in other places, it is individuals who find themselves reluctantly at the heart of events. Such was the case in 1970s London, when a middle-aged couple were taken hostage by an IRA gang.
32:38The Irish Republican Army were intent on destabilising the establishment as part of their campaign for an end to British rule in Northern Ireland. Simon Watts has the story of the Balkan Street siege. This is Scott's restaurant in Mayfair, the scene of a Chicago-style shooting. A dark Ford Cortina motor car drove by and an automatic weapon put two bullet holes through these windows. It's December 6th, 1975. London's Metropolitan Police are chasing armed Irish Republicans who've tried to attack one of Prince Charles' favourite restaurants. It's their second attack on Scots, and this time officers are lying in wait.
33:19The terrorist car took off but was immediately chased by the police. Several shots were fired and the officers immediately radioed all other units in the vicinity. Four occupants with rifles and handguns. The car chase sped on through a maze of small streets. In the tension and chaos, the terrorists finally took a wrong turning and lurched to a halt in this cul-de-sac. There was, in fact, a running gun battle between here and Dorset Square. We're still chasing them off for about 50 yards. We were in a pub and one of my friends was outside chatting to a girlfriend and he came running back in saying there's people shooting outside.
34:00Steve Moisey was a psychology student at the time of the siege and is now the author of the book and audio book The Road to Borkham Street. Four guys were shooting at the cops and so having a couple of beers in us and being young and foolish instead of staying in the pub we ran outside to see what was going on. There were more gunshots and sirens going everywhere and chaos. The four guys ran down the staircase into a little area near Balkan Street. That's when they went into the apartment and took the Mr and Mrs Matthews hostage. John and Sheila Matthews, a quiet couple in their 50s, were doing what a lot of people did in the 1970s, enjoying a night in, watching the police show Kojak.
34:43John Matthews thought the gunshots he could hear was actually on the TV, and he wasn't sure, so he went out onto the little balcony that they had, the four IRA guys, ran up the stairs and rang the doorbell. And Mr Matthews answered the door and they forced their way in. The couple were held at gunpoint for six days, Sheila Matthews in her armchair and John Matthews tied up with tights and string. Their captors were the four members of one of the most lethal of the IRA's active service units, or ASUs. They were very well trained, very professional. They started off attacking military targets, such as the Army and Navy Club, but then they quickly switched to more establishment targets.
35:27Restaurants and clubs where establishment people were going, they were either throwing bombs through windows or they were placing bombs in bags or, in some cases, under cars. Their mission was really to drive the British to the negotiating table and to get the Brits out of Ireland. The target of this incident was Scott's Mount Street. But Met police detectives had noticed that the ASU sometimes went back to the same place twice. That's why officers were on duty near Scott's restaurant and how the Northern Irishman were chased into a corner. Every few minutes, three police marksmen step from the shelter of doorways on either side of the siege flat to aim their.38 police specials at the first floor window.
36:12The Met dug in for what they expected to be a long siege. They trapped them into the living room, cut themselves off from food, water and toilet facilities. They used floodlights to basically keep them awake. It must have been cold as well, because they eventually turned off the gas supply. Please release me, let me go. The surveillance teams from the Metropolitan Police were sort of drilling holes in the wall, placing little microphones so they could listen to what was going on. But, you know, the ASU were aware they were going to be doing that. So they would use the record player as a masking device, as it were.
36:49And they played pretty much over and over again Engelbert Humbernick's big hit, Please Release Me, Let Me Go. It's kind of ironic for a siege situation. The police also lowered in an army field telephone through the window. There were days of tense negotiations between the ASU leader, Joe O 'Connell, or Tom as he called himself, and Superintendent Peter Imbert of the Met. He had a reputation for being Mr. Smooth Talker. He was very experienced with the Irish Republican tactics and how they would go about things. When you come out, we're going to have a fair time to talk, but I don't want you to come out with something more in your conscience, like Mr.
37:31and Mrs. Matthews. They're not bad people, are they? I know. Food and cigarettes, that was the two key things they wanted. Inbert wouldn't give them any... He said, well, if you let Mrs. Matthews go, I'll send you some soup in. And they'd be like, no, we're not letting anybody go. But he kind of broke them down a little bit. Thanks to their listening devices, the police knew there was a radio set inside the flat and the ASU were listening to the news. So on day three, they arranged for Sheila Matthews's sister to appear on the BBC. Don't lose heart, Sheila. We're all thinking of you. We're with you 100%.
38:09And I'm sure these men will let you go. please let Sheila and John go. That was a psychological masterstroke kind of re-humanised the situation for the four IRA guys and it obviously got to Joe O 'Connell because after that call Peter Inbert was really goading him pushing his luck a little bit. Well, how long are we going to wait? Did you think about what I said to you before? I have. Well, you've got to come out sometime, haven't you? Yes.
38:45At one point, the window of the apartment building opened and Imbert sort of sat in utter horror as he watched O 'Connell throw the field telephone out. And it took him another couple of days to persuade O 'Connell to take a field telephone back in again. Don't throw this one out and muck around with it because we haven't got any more. With the IRA gunmen now rattled, the police were able to negotiate to get pills for Mrs Matthews into the flat and water and soup for everybody else. Then, on day six, they used the media again. The BBC very helpfully reported that the army's elite SAS troops were poised to storm the building.
39:26It was mentioned that, yes, that the SAS are on standby, knowing full well that these guys were listening to the radio. It sort of fell apart pretty quickly after that. their willingness and capacity to hold out any longer had probably reached the raking point. The news of the SAS potentially coming in to kill him was just, you know, why keep going? It was then that they negotiated a phased release of Mrs Matthews first, and then they had a meal, and then they started phasing out everybody else. Yes, Tom. There's a question of a meal before we, Cylinder. You're not mucking me about, are you? No, that's not the new vote.
40:07But it was a very tense and fraught period of time.
40:15There was a lot of armed officers trying to shout instructions to the IRA guys. A lot of itchy trigger fingers. Don't let anyone else come until I tell you. OK. Go ahead now. Is it all right now? Yep. OK. Go ahead now. OK, Tom. Same again. Hands above your head. All right. OK, Tom, mate. That's fine. Now, who's going next? Mr Matthews? Yeah. And Invert's trying to control the situation and slowly persuaded him to come out in a very orderly fashion. Now, you've not left any booby traps or anything in there, have you? No, there's nothing. Now. OK, Tom? All right. Yeah. I'll see you at the station later, OK?
41:01Yeah, no, next. After being questioned in the Nick, the four members of the ASU were tried and convicted for seven murders and the Matthews kidnapping. The late Peter Inbert went on to become commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. Simon Watts with the story of the Balkan Street siege in London in 1975. In the history of humanity's attempts to deal with the issue of global warming, the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement is often held up as a high point. 193 countries and the European Union agreed to legally binding climate action plans designed to stop global temperatures rising more than 2 degrees centigrade above pre-industrial levels.
41:42Those commitments have influenced government policy and people's lives ever since, notwithstanding the continuing disagreements over how far and how fast to proceed. Ben Henderson has been hearing the story of the Paris talks from one of the central figures. all hell broke loose i went to talk immediately to china and i said look here's the deal i made the mistake i assume the responsibility so he picks up the text and he goes oh my god this is costa rican diplomat cristiana figueres she was head of climate negotiations at the conference for her it was the culmination of a lifetime of environmentalism inspired by her father when she was a child.
42:28One of the places that he took us to was to one of these amazing national parks in Costa Rica, the Monte Verde Reserve. And there I saw a golden toad and I just totally fell in love with that species because at night they look like little golden coins jumping through the forest. That's where I really clinched my love for nature and my sad story. is that by the time I wanted to take my daughters, I discovered that that toad had gone extinct. And I learned that it was the first species that went extinct because of climate change. It was at that point that I decided to dedicate my life to ensuring that my children, but also children of everyone else, could enjoy a planet that was as rich in the wonders of biodiversity as the one that I had been born into.
43:27Christiana's passion led her to represent her country, Costa Rica, on climate policy. But it wasn't smooth sailing. In 2009, a United Nations conference in Copenhagen ended in failure and the UN's head of climate negotiations stepped down. But then Christiana received a surprising call. I remember it was early morning, I was still in my pyjamas, and I just received a call from the Secretary General's office telling me that he had chosen me and he would like to speak to me. And I was in total disbelief. I thought, how on earth, how did that happen? And now what? Christiana was promoted to the top job and for six years she worked to drag climate negotiations out of the trash can as she describes it.
44:18And slowly things began to change, as the BBC reported at the time. The biggest players, America, China and India, have been far more determined to secure a deal. The Chinese in particular, faced with the scourge of air pollution from burning coal, are now much more open to taking action. And since Copenhagen, the alternatives to fossil fuels have tumbled in price, as forests of wind turbines and vast arrays of solar panels are deployed on an increasingly large scale. The result is that the atmosphere surrounding the talks has generally seemed far more cooperative than it did six years ago. In November 2015, the world turned its attention to the upcoming conference.
45:00In Paris, at the end of this month, all the major world leaders will decide the fate of the planet. Rubbing shoulders will be David Cameron, Vladimir Putin, Angela Merkel, Xi Jinping and Barack Obama. They're in search of an agreement that will limit global warming to two degrees centigrade. But suddenly, on the eve of the conference known as COP21, everything changed. Deuxième explosion, accourez, accourez! Accourez, accourez! Hello, we're live tonight in the heart of Paris at the Place de la République, now a shrine to the victims of terrorism here in this country. Just a few days before the COP was supposed to start in Paris, there was a horrible terrorist attack.
45:43And of course, in the midst of the pain was the big question, do we proceed with a COP that brings together all the leaders of the world? Or do we actually call it off? When we all met, we decided this is going to be a challenge, but we're going to go forward. Between the French and the UN security forces, they actually did find a bomb on the second week at the train station that everyone was using, including my two daughters. That was really tough for me because I knew that we still had three, four days to go before we could finalize the Paris Agreement. And if we continued, it had to be in utmost secrecy because the last thing that we wanted was to make people nervous about their security when we're trying to finalize the agreement.
46:37So I decided, yes, we will continue. And I didn't even tell my daughters. But you can imagine, my heart was in my mouth every single second of the day until we finished. Talks will go through the night again. World leaders have been phoning each other. The document will face multiple assault and may be diluted in the small hours. And this particular night, I don't know, it was 2, 3 o 'clock in the morning. Everybody was underfed. And we were going through the text. and we got to a point in the text that said industrialized countries should and then it establishes the obligation. And I piped up, no, no, what do you mean should?
47:22They shall because there's huge historical responsibility on the shoulders of the global north. And should allows them to squeeze out and not actually do it. And so whoever was holding the pen changed the word. No one said anything. And it went to print and to distribution for the next day. Well, all hell broke loose. It sounds like a ridiculous argument, Ben, but the legal difference between should and shall is huge. And so the U.S. delegation read the text, called the president of the COP, screamed at the president of the COP. I was sitting in front of our president. He was like, what, what, what?
48:06No, no, no, no, no, it says should. And I went like, oh my God. No, we changed it last night. He looked at me in disbelief. I go, do you remember when I said that? So we dispersed. He went to talk to, I don't know, how many countries. And, you know, eventually, eventually we calmed everything down. At the last minute, the text was changed back from shall to should, the original wording. and Christiane handed the final document to the president of the conference, Laurent Fabius. Now in this vast aircraft hangar of a building on the outskirts of Paris, they're on the verge of a treaty to transform their wishes into policy.
48:45He sat up there in the podium. I was, of course, next to him. He then reiterated just to check that no country had any objection. And since no country raised their flag, he brought the gavel down and he gaveled the Paris Agreement into adoption by unanimity. Now, I was frozen. I was frozen into my seat because I just thought, oh my God, this is the result of five years of mine, but decades of so many people's efforts. And it took me a couple of seconds to come out of my stupor and then let myself celebrate. And then when I did let myself celebrate it, I jumped out of my seat. We all hugged, hugged the president.
49:33Everybody in the hall was screaming, yelling, applauding, crying. I mean, I have just never seen so much enthusiasm. Will the world look back on today, though, the 12th of December 2015, as the moment we began to curb climate change? The Paris Climate Agreement legally committed countries for the first time to climate action plans designed to stop global temperatures rising 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels. The agreement has influenced government policy and people's lives ever since. And are you personally proud of what you achieved then? My first feeling is one of gratitude and I'm just incredibly grateful that so many people saw the importance of the moment and were willing to go however many extra miles were necessary to get it over the hump.
50:28Christiana Figueres, who was head of climate negotiations at the Paris 2015 conference, she was speaking to Ben Henderson. And her first-hand recollections will be added to the dedicated collection of environment stories on our website. Everything from the extinction of the dodo to the discovery of the ozone layer, and much more besides. Find them all at bbc.com slash witnesshistory. Finally this week, another example of how sport and politics don't or shouldn't mix. In 2011, the rugged mountains of Bamiyan province in central Afghanistan became the backdrop to something as unlikely as it was uplifting, an international ski scene.
51:09At the time, the area was relatively safe for tourists, and local Afghans were also attracted, some becoming so proficient at skiing that they had ambitions of going to compete at a Winter Olympics. The return of the Taliban put paid to that. Viv Jones has the story. A lot of you go skiing here. Yeah. Who go skiing? Afghans? Afghans and internationals. Really? When the BBC's least asset visited Bamiyan in 2011, she was thrilled to see Afghans having fun on the slopes. These Afghan boys tagged along with us, taking to the slopes with whatever they can find at home. Look at that, a bit of wood, a rubber boot, a bit of metal.
51:54The littlest is sliding down the slopes in his mother's shoes. One of the first Afghans to embrace skiing was Alishar Fahang. He became one of Afghanistan's top skiers, a Winter Olympic hopeful. He grew up in a small village nestled in the Khoi Baba range. It's a kind of rural area. So my father is a farmer and my five, six, seven generation, they were all farming in the village. You know, like taking the ships on the mountain. Before skiing started in Bamiyan, in the winters people tended to avoid the mountains because of the danger of avalanches and wolves. So Alishar was amazed when, on a cold sunny day in February 2011, he first caught sight of a figure silhouetted against the snow hurtling down the slope towards him.
52:46Going fast, so fast on the mountain. It was something not only for me but for the entire people of the village it was something magic they were doing on the snow. He would soon discover that the magic he'd witnessed was called skiing and that a new travel agency supported by a development charity had started offering ski holidays to tourists seeking a unique adventure. Bamiyan was relatively safe for foreigners back then, and its mountains have perfect snow. So it took a couple of days for me to get closer to the skier and ask them finally what it is. I said I am really interested to learn this.
53:24I was really excited to try skiing. An Italian ski guide employed by the agency agreed to give Alishar his first lesson. It wasn't a nice experience. Even walking with those boots were not so easy. Of course, we didn't have appropriate skiing clothes. And it wasn't waterproof, so all the clothes were wet. And afterwards, it got freezing cold. You just felt so strange with your legs. And especially when the skis go under the snow and you struggle to take it back. I already got the signal that it's going to be a tough sport. So after that first day, you've fallen over, you're wet, you're freezing cold, your boots don't fit.
54:08You thought, I'll try this again?
54:23Alishar was soon hired as Afghanistan's first professional ski guide. There wasn't a ski lift, so his first job was to lug heavy equipment up the slopes. I was quite good on going uphill and carrying a loss of weight. Yeah, I guess being a shepherd going up the mountain all the time, it makes you very fit. Yeah. The job was fun, and he loved meeting skiers from all over the world. But some of his neighbours in the village were suspicious of Westerners. Because of the lack of information, people considered the fur and a roller as infidel. As infidels? Yeah, they were talking to my father that your son start working with the infidel.
55:05So he will be converted to another religion and he is working with dirty people. A couple of times actually they didn't let me to go skiing because they said, you're destroying the snow, the snow will get melt soon, we will not have enough water in the future because you destroy all the snow with the infidels. they are dirty, they will make the snow dirty and the snow will be gone. We will not have any water. Sometimes they felt jealous with me that I'm working with foreigners and making money, but most of the time it was just because of this religious issue. Alishar didn't give up. He was hooked on his sport.
55:45He wasn't alone. More and more local young people and kids wanted to try skiing. A small ski school was set up with international support, and Alishar became an instructor.
55:59Things really took off with the start of the Afghan Ski Challenge, an annual race with skiers from all over the world competing against homegrown talent. The challenge attracted crowds from all the local villages. Even some of Alishar's more hostile neighbours were won round by it. Skiing is an expensive sport, but some resourceful local people had the idea of making their own skis. It got quite popular. I just realised that there are so many people interested. They couldn't compete with the people who had the proper ski gear. So I said, well, let's give them opportunity to come and participate to a race.
56:40That's how the Afghan Ski Challenge added the wooden ski race. Alishar says it drew bigger crowds than the main race. No one could resist the slapstick comedy of kids crashing into each other, tumbling in the snow on their homemade skis. For me, the biggest part is to see people enjoying. It doesn't matter how difficult their life was. Still, they were happy. We really wanted to achieve peace through sport. Sport doesn't allow people to talk about the relation, the language. Sport talks about having fun. What does it feel like when you're out there skiing?
57:23This young boy told Lise Desette, when I ski, I feel just like a bird. I feel very happy and I sing sweet songs.
57:42May this country give him the peace and prosperity just enough to make him a ski champion someday. In 2017, the Bamiyan Ski Club got sponsorship to pay for two top Afghan skiers to receive professional coaching in Switzerland. Alishar was selected alongside his friend Sajad Hosseini. Their aim was to become the first Afghans ever to compete at the Winter Olympics. They didn't quite manage to qualify for the 2018 Games, but they had the 2022 Games in their sights. Then their funding ran out. And then the pandemic hit. And then the Taliban took over. Me and Sajjot, we were trying to go to the Olympics and represent Afghanistan in a positive way.
58:33Of course, we couldn't compete for a gold medal or a silver medal. No, we could be the last people to ski on the Olympic slopes. But we had hope on ourselves and in the country. But now, it's just a nightmare and everything went back to zero. Alishar remembers life under the old Taliban regime, when sports were banned and associating with foreigners could get you killed. Skiing put him in danger, but the skiing community may have saved his life. Some Italian friends managed to get Alishar and his wife and two small kids on a flight out of Kabul. Sajad was also rescued, along with a women's ski champion, 17-year-old Nazima Haizad.
59:22And do you hope that one day you will be able to go back? Oh, sure. It's always a dream. Yeah, hopefully. You know, like this hope keeps a human alive. You can't live without hope. Ali Shafahang, one of Afghanistan's top skiers, was talking to Viv Jones in 2022, still dreaming of competing at a Winter Olympics. That's it for this edition of the History Hour. We'll have more first-hand stories from the past for you next week, so do join us again then. For now, though, this is Max Pearson from all of us here. Thanks for listening. Goodbye. From the pioneers... We weren't going to ask mission. We were just going to do it.
59:59...and the celebrations... You feel you have... you win. I feel it. I was first. I was first. We were so proud of ourselves, and Cameron was proud of us too. I still cannot believe it. It was such an amazing feeling. It was incredible. To the humiliations. I did cry most of the half. Oh man, I'm failing. I'm failing this sport that I love. Sporting Witness takes you to the events that have shaped the sports world through the eyes of the people who were there. It's not just about the sport. It's about all the other things that people with disabilities learn from each other. For nine minutes, you become a fan in the stands as we take you back in time to examine memorable moments from all over the world.
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We start with the street artist Banksy, and his 2015 dystopian 'bemusement park'.
Then, we talk to roller coaster enthusiast Megan MacCausland, from the European Coaster Club.
Plus, we go back through the BBC archives to tell the story of the coelacanth, a fish believed to have been extinct for 65 million years.
Next, South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, set up after the abolishment of apartheid in the 1990s. This programme contains contains harrowing testimony and graphic descriptions of human rights violations throughout.
Also, the six-day IRA siege on London's Balcombe Street in 1975, where a couple were taken hostage.
Finally, it's been 10 years since 193 countries and the European Union adopted the Paris climate agreement, in December 2015.
Our Sporting Witness programme this week looks at how an international skiing scene developed in the mountains of Bamiyan province, Afghanistan, in 2011.
Contributors:
Kurtis Young - steward at Dismaland. Megan MacCausland - European Coaster Club. Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer - South African museum curator (from archive). Sisi Khampepe - served on the Amnesty Committee. Steven Moysey - saw the Balcombe Street siege unfold. Christiana Figueres - head of climate negotiations at 2015 United Nations Climate Change Conference in Paris. Alishah Farhang - Afghanistan skier.
(Photo: Dismaland in Weston Super-Mare. Credit: Kristian Buus/Getty Images)
