In short
The episode is a BBC History Hour/Witness History compilation about how power and institutions shape people and places, from architecture and art to protest, disaster, and nation-building. It includes: Jackie Kennedy’s 1962 White House restoration and TV tour, arguing conservation can legitimize national history; immigrant workers in 1970s France who staged a rent strike against racism and eviction, demanding freedom, equality, housing, and work; the 1976 Seveso chemical disaster in Italy, where residents weren’t warned about dioxin until weeks later, leading to long-term health and regulatory change; South Sudan’s 2011 independence, described as a moment of hope after a 2005 peace process and Dr John Garang’s death; the 1916 Zurich origins of Dada, using nonsense sound poetry and chance to reject conventional art and protest WWI society; and Rafael Nadal’s 2008 Wimbledon final, framed as a turning point from clay to grass.
Guests/backgrounds
Mateja Correa (architecture power researcher, University of Ljubljana); Mohamed Harbashi (Algerian-born worker in French foyer housing, rent strike organizer); Giuseppe Cassino (Seveso councillor, lived through dioxin release); Malou El-Balqir and Malawal El-Balqir (South Sudan independence celebrations, youth/refugee perspectives); Josephine McDermott (Dada story); Richard Hülsenbeck (Dada figure, quoted); plus archive tennis narration featuring Nadal and uncle Tony.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOImmigrant Workers' Rent Strike
0:00 to 1:22
Discussion on the 1970s immigrant workers' actions in France.
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Immigrant Workers' Rent Strike
2:40 to 3:24
Discussion on the 1970s immigrant workers' actions in France.
“This week, from 1970s France, the immigrant workers who staged a rent strike over their living conditions.”
Introduction to the White House Tour
3:24 to 3:39
Transition to the story of Jackie Kennedy's White House restoration.
“For decades now, each incoming US president has left his or his family's mark on the building, be it new curtains and a colour scheme, or masses of gold leaf and knocking down part of the East Wing.”
Jackie Kennedy's White House Restoration
3:39 to 11:12
An in-depth look at Jackie Kennedy's efforts to restore the White House.
“But it was back in the early 1960s that Jackie Kennedy led the way with something of a renovation project, and in 1962, TV cameras were allowed in so the American people could see the results.”
Architectural Analysis of Government Buildings
11:12 to 14:00
Matea Correa discusses the impact of architectural styles on government buildings.
“But as she'd explained in the documentary a year earlier, she'd made sure her restoration efforts and acquisitions would survive.”
The Complex Relationship of Architecture and Power
14:00 to 14:59
Explore how the White House symbolizes power despite its modest size.
“Architecture and power are related, but the relationship is often complex and multifaceted.”
The People's House: Bucharest's Palace of the Parliament
15:00 to 16:54
Discover the massive scale of the Palace of the Parliament in Romania.
“It was designed at the end of the 18th century.”
Immigrant Rent Strikes in 1970s France
16:55 to 19:18
Learn about the significant rent strike by immigrant workers in France.
“An employee from the housing company was always stationed outside the front door.”
The Story of Mohamed Kharbashi
19:19 to 21:40
Hear Mohamed's journey from Algeria to France and the challenges faced.
“In 1954, when Mohamed was around seven, the war for Algerian independence broke out.”
Organizing the Strike: A Fight for Rights
21:41 to 24:05
Understand the organization behind the rent strike and its impact.
“In addition to solving the issue of the shanty towns, activists say that the foyer were also a way for the state to survey and control immigrants, especially Algerians.”
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The Transformation After the Strike
24:06 to 25:39
Discover how the rent strike changed lives and brought about awareness.
“Throughout the strike, police sometimes crack down, clearing out entire foyer.”
The Transformation After the Strike
25:40 to 26:55
Discover how the rent strike changed lives and brought about awareness.
“Incidentally, among the other stories relating to the history of France and Algeria you can find on our website is that of the Harkis, Algerian Muslims who sided with France during the war for independence.”
Environmental Disaster in Ceveso
27:01 to 28:00
Learn about the chemical factory explosion and its aftermath in Italy.
“Still to come, South Sudan and the optimism that surrounded the birth of a new nation.”
The Dioxin Disaster in Seveso
28:00 to 35:57
Learn about the Seveso disaster and its devastating impact on the community.
“There's people picnicking outside, everyone's enjoying the summer break.”
The Birth of South Sudan
35:58 to 44:58
Explore the journey to independence for South Sudan and its implications.
“The most recent example occurred in 2011, when a new flag was raised over the city of Juba as South Sudan officially came into being.”
Introduction to the Dada Movement
44:59 to 45:58
Discover how the Dada art movement emerged in Zurich during WWI.
“And a backdrop of conflict and displacement lies behind our next story, but this time in Europe.”
Dada's Anti-Art Philosophy
45:59 to 49:58
Explore the origins and key figures of the Dada movement in Zurich.
“and an alliance of Russia, France and Great Britain.”
Dadaism's Rejection of Tradition
49:59 to 52:34
Understand how Dadaists challenged conventional art and societal norms.
“They wanted to shock, be absurd, create chaos.”
Legacy of Dadaism
52:35 to 53:46
Learn about the lasting influence of the Dada movement on art and culture.
“Then art, as it was known then, recognisable subjects, people, landscapes, objects aimed at mirroring reality, became the target.”
Nadal's Journey to Wimbledon Glory
56:00 to 1:02:38
Explore Rafael Nadal's emotional journey to winning his first Wimbledon title in 2008.
“And that's why he was pushing me to the limit on, I think, on everyday practice.”
Transcript
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2:36Hello and welcome to the History Hour with me, Max Pearson, the stories and characters as featured on Witness History on the BBC World Service. This week, from 1970s France, the immigrant workers who staged a rent strike over their living conditions. We demanded freedom. We said enough with racism, of the housing company, of police, enough with the evictions. Plus the optimism that surrounded the birth of South Sudan. And this... Jolifanto, bambla o fa le bambla. Globiga, mfa. A poem with no meaning that started the Dadaist art movement more than a century ago. But first, we're going to take a tour of the White House.
3:26For decades now, each incoming US president has left his or his family's mark on the building, be it new curtains and a colour scheme, or masses of gold leaf and knocking down part of the East Wing. But it was back in the early 1960s that Jackie Kennedy led the way with something of a renovation project, and in 1962, TV cameras were allowed in so the American people could see the results. Jane Wilkinson has the story. For the next hour, Mrs John F. Kennedy invites you to visit the President's house and see some of the restoration she's made in its interior. It's so important the setting in which the presidency's presented to the world, to foreign visitors, and American people should be proud of it.
4:10The unmistakable breathy voice of Jackie Kennedy. the woman credited with restoring the White House, talking to correspondent Charles Collingwood on a CBS TV special. Jackie had first visited the house as a child in 1941 and wasn't much impressed. That dreary Maison Blanche, she called it privately. Then, almost 20 years later, the man she married became president. John F. Kennedy settles into office as the 35th President of the United States, the youngest man and the first Roman Catholic ever elected to the office. But while the Kennedys were seen as a breath of fresh air in Washington, the White House hadn't much changed.
4:53Bernard Booton worked on JFK's election campaign in 1960. When Jackie walked in and saw the condition of the White House, she was aghast. It was ill-kept, it was dirty, the furniture was ragged. has been abused for generations and generations and generations. In Jackie's eyes, the fading curtains, mismatched furniture and bland reproductions were more suited to a second-rate hotel than the home of the president. It just seemed to me such a shame when we came here to find hardly anything of the past in the house, hardly anything before 1902. I know when we went to Colombia, the presidential palace there has all the history of that country in it.
5:39Every piece of furniture in it has some link with the past. I thought the White House should be like that. So in February 1961, Jackie announced her plan. Not to redecorate, but to restore the 132-room mansion to reflect its history and heritage. I just think that everything in the White House should be the best. She said, adding... And if it's an American company that you can help, I like to do that. If it's not, just as long as it's the best. But there was a problem. Money. New arrivals to the White House were given a$50 ,000 alteration budget. Within two weeks, Jackie had spent it on the family quarters.
6:20Using public funds for the rest of the House would have been politically controversial. So she opened her contacts book and found Henry Dupont, a multi-millionaire and collector of American art. Along with restoration experts, they formed the White House Fine Arts Committee. Everything we do is subject to approval by the committee. What's your budget? Where does it come from? It's small because everything we do is by private donation. But first, the group had to find furniture, fit for a mansion originally built in the late 18th century. Much of the old furnishings were in storage, while some antiques had been sold at auction, and others carted away by previous presidential families.
7:05Using her considerable charm, Jackie appealed for contributions of furniture and funds. It worked. Since our work started, we received hundreds of letters every day. This is where we evaluate all the finds, see if we want to keep them, if they'll fit into our budget. And every time we find an object we want, then we have to go and search for a donor. It's very slow, and that way a lot of things that we would like to get slip away from us. Despite the obstacles, long-forgotten treasures were soon being pulled from storage rooms, and Jackie, in jeans and a jumper, often helped unload donations from delivery trucks.
7:42Have you made any good finds lately? When we first came here and started searching, we found the pier table in the carpenter shop where it was being used as a saw horse, and we recognised it from old engravings. It took us six weeks to restore it and put it back, And then in the men's room downstairs, we found that bust of Washington. Finally, on Valentine's Day 1962, Jackie was ready to invite the cameras inside for what CBS described as the greatest sightseeing tour in history. Dressed in a dark red suit and pearl necklace, she guided Charles Collingwood through the staterooms, pointing out particular treasures.
8:20This chest is rather interesting. As you know, the thing we care about most is something that belonged to a past president. This little chest was left by President Van Buren to his grandson. And Mrs. Kennedy, on that fireplace, there's an inscription which I found one of the most moving things in the White House. Yes, that's from the very first letter that was ever written from the White House. It was written by John Adams, the first president to live here in the 1800. It says, I pray heaven to bestow the best of blessings on this house and on all that shall hereafter inhabit it. May none but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof.
9:02But perhaps the most significant discovery was hidden under a green cloth in the mansion's broadcast room. The Resolute Desk, a gift to President Rutherford Hayes from Queen Victoria in 1880. Jackie had it dusted off and moved straight to the Oval Office. All sorts of detective work have gone into finding these pieces and identifying them. I know these two chairs are an example of that. We found one so battered, all the stuffing coming out, but we just thought it looked of the Lincoln period, so we dragged it home. And as the project progressed, there was so much restoration work, a room had to be set aside for repairs.
9:43It used to be the kitchen years and years ago. Now we have an upholstery shop here where we do all our furniture restoring and upholstering. It's much quicker and more practical. So exciting to see things grow every day. So room by room, Jackie came nearer to her goal of making the most perfect house in the United States. And at the end of the tour, one of its residents made a special appearance. Mr President, Mrs Kennedy has been showing us about the White House. What do you think of the changes that she's made? Well, I consider our history to be a source of strength to us here in the White House and to all the American people.
10:23And that's why I'm glad that Jackie is making the effort she's making. And I know that those who come after us will continue to try to make this the centre of any sense of American historical life. The TV tour was a huge hit, attracting a record US audience of 56 million viewers and earning the First Lady an Honorary Emmy from the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. But after less than three years in Washington, tragedy engulfed the Kennedys. From a high window rings out the shot that changes American history. Both the President and Governor Connolly are hit. At the hospital, there is a desperate but hopeless fight to save the President's life.
11:03But that life ebbs out. The doctors afterwards say there never was a chance. Following her husband's assassination, Jackie and her children left the White House. But as she'd explained in the documentary a year earlier, she'd made sure her restoration efforts and acquisitions would survive. What happens when the next president's wife comes into the White House? It was some of the things that are in this room. Well, if they don't want it, in the past, you see, they could sell it, throw it out, do anything with it they wanted. But then a law was passed last spring whereby everything that's given to or bought by the White House becomes part of its permanent collection.
11:45If a future first family doesn't want it, it goes to the Smithsonian where it will be taken care of and displayed. And in future, there would also be a renovation budget. In 1961, Jackie set up the White House Historical Association, which publishes an official guidebook of the building. All proceeds go towards restoration and education. And thank you, Mrs. Kennedy, for showing us this wonderful house in which you live and all of the wonderful things that you're bringing to it. The voice of Charles Collingwood of CBS, Jane Wilkinson, was our guide through those archive recordings detailing the 1962 renovation of the White House.
12:26Matea Correa is the editor of the book On Power in Architecture. She's a philosopher and associate professor at the University of Ljubljana and a researcher at the Urban Planning Institute of the Republic of Slovenia. Now, Mateja, what does Jackie Kennedy's restoration and that CBS tour mean to you? What does it say to you about what was going on at that time? So I see the renovation process managed by Jackie Kennedy as being very much in line with what was the predominant values of conservation and restoration of her time. You can hear in her tour that she was collaborating with various arrays of specialists in the field of preservation.
13:05And with this, she made, let's say, a professional legitimization that this preservation was done in accordance with the latest developments in the field. On the other hand, she actually invites the whole American public to see what she has done. Moving further from the US, is it possible to generalize about the decisions that governments make about the architecture of government, the physical style that the buildings take? Yeah, let's say general observation would be that both in the 1960s and also today, many government residencies and buildings associated with the state authority continue to employ this neoclassical architectural language.
13:45Moreover, many of those buildings have long histories dating back to the 18th, 19th century, some even earlier. At the same time, I would like to say that my research also would caution against drawing overly direct connection between architectural styles and specific forms of government. Architecture and power are related, but the relationship is often complex and multifaceted. Going back to the White House, how does the White House compare in terms of scale to other seats of government? Yeah, perhaps surprisingly. So the White House is relatively modest in scale when compared to many contemporary seats of government.
14:24So available data indicate that it has a total floor area of approximately 5000 square meters. Yet, on the other hand, our perception of the White House often suggests quite the opposite. And I would say that this is because for decades, photography, television, new broadcasts, and also various films have reproduced this image of this building as one of the world's most powerful architectural symbols. And through this representation, the White House has acquired a presence that, in my view, exceeds his actually physical dimensions. And of course, in many ways, the scale of the White House reflects also the period in which it was built.
15:05It was designed at the end of the 18th century. It belonged to a world in which seats of government were generally more modest inside than they are today. And many governmental buildings constructed later on because of the volume of all the officials and civil workers were much more ambitious. And I would like to mention here maybe an extreme example of this tendency. This example is the Palace of the Parliament in Bucharest, which was originally conceived as the People's House during the dictatorship of Nicolae Ceaușescu in Romania. The construction for this building began in 1984, and today the building contains approximately 365 ,000 square meters of floor space.
15:52So we can see it's much larger than the White House. It is often said that nearly all of Romania's marble was used in this construction. Today, although this immense building, so the House of Parliament, is used by all the ministries and almost all the civic officials in Romania, it's still largely unused and it remains one of these monumental governmental buildings, which is one of the most extreme symbols of where these governmental buildings can go. So size doesn't necessarily matter. That's Matea Curia from the Urban Planning Institute of the Republic of Slovenia. And buildings are at the heart of our next story, but these buildings are at the other end of the scale from the White House or grand seats of government.
16:39This is from the France of 50 years ago, when the poor living conditions faced by immigrant labourers led to a rent strike. That act of defiance is still remembered today as a significant moment in the struggle for immigrants' rights in France. Here's Caroline Lombolet. I'm taking you back to the mid-1970s, when immigrant workers in France, housed in buildings known as foyers or workers' hostels, decided to take a stand.
17:08An employee from the housing company was always stationed outside the front door. He wouldn't allow anyone in, even if it was your family, your father, brother, your son, cousin, friend. Nobody. There was no freedom. Mohamed Kharbashi, alongside thousands of residents living in foyer across the country, stopped paying rent. All the foyers in France, all the way to Marseille, to the border with Germany, Italy, Spain, all the foyers in France took part. Hundreds of foyers were built between the 1950s and the 1970s. It was the post-war era, and the French economy was booming. When Mohamed first arrived, he found himself in a suburb of Paris called Argenteuil.
17:58It was the 3rd of August 1973. I was 26 years old. In France, I joined my older brother. He'd come in 1962. He paid my rent the first couple of months, and then I found work. I stayed two years without going back. I was waiting for my residency card. Back home, my wife and three children were waiting for me. Mohamed was born in Algeria just after World War II ended, in 1947. He grew up in a hamlet called Kassebya, in the governorate of Borch-Bueric. Back then, Algeria was still under French colonial rule. I worked with my father, working the land, herding the sheep, the cows, the horses. It's the mountains, the countryside.
18:52There is nothing, no money. You need to work the land to make a living. Occasionally we'd slaughter a sheep and have some meat, but there were no fresh fruits or anything because there were no paved roads for merchants to get to where we lived. France ruled the country with an iron fist. France squashed Algeria. They reduced us to slavery. In 1954, when Mohamed was around seven, the war for Algerian independence broke out. During those years, he remembers the French army encircling the area. Anyone who tried to leave without permission risked being shot. I saw many things, many things. We had no shoes, no clothes.
19:44We lived in poverty. young people dying, going into prison. There were many orphans, women unable to feed their families. They killed my cousin, my mother's family, my wife's family. Nothing happened to my family because my father had fought for France in World War II. Once I went to graze the animals with a few other boys, they shot at us several times with tanks. I went to hide by the river with another boy. We didn't move until the afternoon. The three other boys were killed. The animals, too. I lost a cow and two sheep. I must have been 11 or 12. This is Peter Woods calling Radio Newsville from the heart of Algeria.
20:33This is the noise that is echoing around Algeria's home. Today, celebrating the advancement of the independence population. It was in 1962. Mohamed was 15. There were huge celebrations. Vive l 'Algerie, to hell with France. We went to buy food to other villages. Everyone was dancing, shouting. Now Algeria is an independent country. Despite the fraught relationship between Algeria and France, Mohamed felt there was no other choice but to seek work in the metropole. And he was far from alone. By 1975, there were around 550 ,000 Algerians living in France. In the 50s and 60s, many of these immigrants ended up living in shanty towns around big cities.
21:26There were many foyers in this area, west and north of Paris. It was the industrial zone. There were factories making cars, cables, lots of things. Soon, Mohamed found work at a car factory. In addition to solving the issue of the shanty towns, activists say that the foyer were also a way for the state to survey and control immigrants, especially Algerians. One of the main companies building the foyer was Sonekotral, short for National Company for the Construction of Housing for Algerian Workers. And it hired former soldiers to man the foyer.
22:08Before the strike, there was a lot of racism. Sometimes housing management would call the police and they would immediately evict a resident. The management company used to carry out inspections in our rooms. You could never leave anything of value. The Sona Kotral, later Sona Kotra, foyer, became known as foyer prison, prison foyer. In the 1970s, big changes were underway. The 1973 oil crisis sent shockwaves worldwide. Growth slowed and unemployment soared. In France, attitudes and policies towards immigrants began to harden. But Mohamed and his fellow workers in the Sunakotra run foyer were determined to fight back.
22:54Little by little, we started organizing, speaking among ourselves and seeing who was on board. The rent was high, our salaries were low. Each month they'd increase the rent. And so we went on a strike in 1975. Individual foyer joined one by one, and quickly, the strike gained momentum. We demanded freedom. We said enough with racism, of the housing company, of police, enough with the evictions. We demanded equality before the law. We demanded housing, work, equal pay. They were highly organized, with a coordination committee steering the strike effort and delegates in each foyer. The delegates used to go from foyer to foyer talking to residents.
23:50Every weekend we'd meet, talk, gather money to pay for the lawyers, the tracts, and for transport for the delegates. The communists helped us too to find good lawyers and so on. Every couple of weeks, we'd meet the director to try and negotiate a solution to end the strike. But he was hard-headed. He wouldn't accept our demands. Throughout the strike, police sometimes crack down, clearing out entire foyer. Some delegates were even deported. But Mohamed also remembers some happy moments. All the foyers, all the foyers took part. The city was full. The metros, the trams, the buses. There were protests nearly every weekend.
24:39I don't know how many hours we walked. The strike lasted around five years. At its peak, around 20 ,000 residents are estimated to have stopped paying rent. Negotiations took place foyer by foyer. Residents gained visitation rights. They gained the right to assembly. but to this day, they don't enjoy standard tenant rights. But Mohamed still feels it transformed his life. After the strike, everything changed. We had freedom, dignity, fraternity and equality. More than 50 years after he arrived in France, Mohamed, who's approaching 80, still lives in a foyer. Since 1973 until now, I have been here alone.
25:23My children far away and my wife forced to get by on her own. I regret this a lot. Now I'm an old man. I'm tired. I must go back home. Mohamed Harbaje was speaking to Caroline Lomboulet in that Whistledown production for the BBC World Service. Incidentally, among the other stories relating to the history of France and Algeria you can find on our website is that of the Harkis, Algerian Muslims who sided with France during the war for independence. Find them by going to bbc.com slash witness history. Pop quiz. What's in your kid's lunchbox? At Whole Foods Market, they've already done the studying.
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27:01Still to come, South Sudan and the optimism that surrounded the birth of a new nation. Rafael Nadal on his part in what's been called the greatest tennis match ever played. And this. A poem with no meaning that started the Dadaist art movement more than a century ago. But before that, an environmental disaster in Italy. Fifty years ago, there was an explosion at a chemical factory near Ceveso in the north of the country. A cloud of poisonous gas spread over the town, but residents were not warned of the danger. Rachel Naylor has been hearing the story from a man who lived through that frightening event.
27:49There weren't many people around. Most businesses were shut for the summer. That's Giuseppe Cassino, a Ceveso councillor. He's off to a friend's wedding. There's people picnicking outside, everyone's enjoying the summer break. But that's all about to change. At the Igmesa factory, which makes chemicals for disinfectants and herbicides in nearby Maida, a safety feature on a reactor has ruptured. There's a whistling sound and a cloud of vapour containing a highly toxic substance called dioxin is released into the air for about 20 minutes, covering an area of 18 square kilometres. The dilemma facing the Italian authorities is unique.
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28:30Never before has a populated area been contaminated like this. At first, local people thought the poisonous vapour was no more than the everyday pollution they're used to. Life that day carried on as normal. We had no reason to be alarmed. There was no evidence to suggest otherwise. Next to the factory, there were fields used by local farmers to grow crops. And because it was July, it was warm, so all the families that lived there, they were eating lunch outside. So after the explosion, a cloud of dust has settled on the fields, including the tables set by families and the children who were playing outside.
29:09But no one is concerned. It's just a bit of dust. In fact, the public still don't know about their exposure to dioxin three days later. Giuseppe went to his weekly Tuesday council meeting in high spirits. I showed up with pastry and Prosecco because my eldest son had been born the day before. None of us knew about the factory, so in the meeting we celebrated the birth of my son and didn't even discuss the explosion. But Giuseppe had always had concerns about the factory. I was half joking because I'd raised this with the mayor several times before and said to him, if you're meeting the management of the factory, can you ask them about dumping dirt waste in the stream and polluting it?
29:54He answered me very curtly, yes, yes, right. It was not until six days after the accident that the Akmeza factory closed down, and then only at the workers' insistence. And it was not until eight days had passed that the owners, Givaudin, a subsidiary of the giant multinational drug company Hoffman-Laroche, admitted that the gas contained four and a half pounds of dioxin, a by-product of herbicide manufacture and one of the deadliest poisons known to man. How did you feel when you found out and you had a newborn son? Well, I was certainly concerned. My son and my wife moved away for two months and he didn't come home to Cerviso until it was safe.
30:39Nobody had heard of dioxin before.
30:45A further week passed before anyone decided that evacuations were necessary or that people should be warned not to eat or sell their vegetables, as they have been doing for the past fortnight. Only after three weeks, when cattle began to die and children began to show signs of the appalling skin disease known as chloracne, did it begin to sink in that a disaster had happened. The children who had been playing outside showed symptoms of chloroacne and boils. It was the first warning sign. The second was the death of birds. There were dead birds on the street. It was very unusual. Residents also developed nausea, headaches, eye irritation, and 19 children were admitted to local hospitals with skin lesions.
31:33Almost immediately, the officials of the Lombardy Regional Authority began to minimise its significance as much as possible. Only the few hundred people nearest the factory were to be evacuated, and they were to be allowed to take their polluted possessions with them. The first evacuation concerned a rather large area, but not many buildings. The family had been notified that they had to abandon everything by 12pm. I went with the police and soldiers to knock on the door and tell them it was time to leave. What did we find? We found families that were quietly having lunch, as if it was the last supper.
32:12In zone B, further away, pregnant women should leave and children stay out, but only during the day. And a motorway, which ran right through the poisoned area, remained wide open. The second evacuation was more difficult because there were more families and they were sent very far away from Ceveso to a motel near the motorway, about 40 kilometres away. These families were severely tested because they found themselves away from home with no space or garden in hotel rooms for several months. It really affected them psychologically. There's an eerie, sinister atmosphere in the contaminated area near the chemical plant.
32:54The streets and houses are empty. Police and army patrols work only for short spells to reduce the risk to their health. The invisible poison has withered trees and plant life, killed a cow, rabbits and chickens, Many cats have been stricken. As the full health threat becomes apparent, workmen erect barriers around the 170-acre zone. Dioxin stays dangerously in the topsoil for up to 14 years. There are still locals who resent the publicity and the army presence. Lives in this small industrial fringe community have been shattered by an invisible enemy. Meanwhile, despite abortion being illegal in Italy, the government specifically permitted them for the 600 pregnant women affected by the disaster.
33:3626 were performed, according to the British Health and Safety Executive. A later study found no evidence of increased birth defects due to exposure to dioxin, but the data set was too small to rule out a small risk. Twelve months after the disaster, many families remained displaced. A market garden town, stripped of its soil, surrounded by troops and 10-foot fences, and overshadowed by a heap of poison which no one is quite sure what to do with. Something like 3 ,000 local animals have died, tens of thousands have been slaughtered. This unlovely but inoffensive township is doomed, its prosperity gone, its products shunned by the rest of Italy.
34:16The immediate negative impact was the blocking of all productive activity in Ceveso. It was known for its woodwork and furniture making. But because of the dioxin, almost all the holders from around the country and abroad stopped, because they suspected that the wood products were polluted. Long-term, health side effects for those exposed to dioxin included decreased fertility and increased risk for cancers. But the disaster did lead to stronger industry regulation. In 1982, the European Union adopted the SEVISO Directive, a law aimed at improving the safety of sites containing large quantities of dangerous substances.
34:56Roche paid out an estimated$168 million in damages, In 1983, four former employees were found guilty of willful failure to prevent the explosion, and a fifth was found guilty of involuntary negligence. They were sentenced to between two and a half to five years in prison, but three were later acquitted after appealing. Back in Severso, the contaminated area was made into a park known as Bosco de la Cuerche, or Oak Forest. The houses which once stood there have been demolished, and are buried beneath its small hills and two tunnels, alongside the remains of 80 ,000 animals. I could gladly show you the system for storing the polluting material.
35:38We had people come from Sweden to learn how we store it. And thanks to Oak Forest, the fauna has returned there. Life has returned to the environment. Councillor Giuseppe Cassina was speaking to Rachel Naylor and recalling the 1976 chemical disaster which changed his town, Seveso, forever. Now, a relatively rare event in the passage of history is the creation of a brand new country. The most recent example occurred in 2011, when a new flag was raised over the city of Juba as South Sudan officially came into being. The birth of this new nation followed a bitter civil war, and it represented a moment of hope for millions of people, as Daniel Rosny has been hearing.
36:20I feel so happy.
36:27And we are going to be a nation, we are going to be our own. It felt like I was in something that is bigger than not only myself, like something that I couldn't imagine. It's the 9th of July, 2011, and people are flooding the streets in the city of Juba. They're cheering, waving flags, banging drums and dancing. People who want a better view are climbing up trees. South Sudan is about to become the world's newest nation. It's a journey that began after a peace deal ended, a long and bloody civil war in Sudan that killed more than 2 million people. I was overwhelmed with hope and optimism and excitement and joy as someone who was born in the middles of the conflict.
37:31Malou El-Balqir was 17 years old and he couldn't believe his eyes. Because being from Sudan, being in East Africa, the idea of independence is something that we read on history books. But for me to see myself being part of that history, it was really, really something that I would never forget. As a teenager, you were aware of the change that was happening. So how were you feeling when you woke up that day? Being free, being in a new country. On the 8th before the 9th, we knew that tomorrow is going to be a declaration of our independence. The idea that something big and something new is happening tomorrow, I couldn't even sleep.
38:09I don't even remember whether I slept. Six months earlier, there'd been a referendum in the southern part of Sudan. More than 99 % of the nearly 4 million who voted chose to break away and become an independent state. I feel good, man. I feel good. I knew, oh wow, this is a moment where I will never be displaced again. This is a moment that maybe I will not have to be a refugee again. We hereby declare Southern Sudan to be an independent and sovereign state. Malawal, you were just seven years old when you were displaced like millions of others. And you and your family headed south when you left your home.
38:57Well, I fled to northern Uganda in a refugee camp. And how many members of your family fled with you? It was myself, my young brother, my sister, who was older than me and my mum. Refugee camp was like a safe haven to me because I was coming in a place where we were running away from aerial bombardment. from attacks where we see relatives dying in the front line, where we keep running back with our cows, with our cattle and things like that. Once I arrived in refugee camp, there was no bombardment anymore and I had the chance to go to school as well. Africa's largest nation was in conflict for decades with communities in the south, predominantly black and Christian, facing political, economic and educational marginalisation under a mainly Arab-Muslim-led government in the north.
39:48The south resisted the nationwide imposition of Islamic Sharia law. Rebel groups took up arms against the state. Tensions escalated over land rights, control of oil revenue and long-standing economic neglect. When the peace process began in 2005, Malawal and his family left Uganda to return home. In our mind was always, oh, now there is peace. It's just a matter of time that we will be going back to South Sudan. But then, unexpectedly, one of the key figures in South Sudan's story died, and it threatened to upend everything. Dr John Gorang was the leader of the Sudan People's Liberation Movement and its military wing.
40:34He was travelling back from Uganda in a helicopter when it quashed. People were crying that we were in the camp. there was a little bit moment of despair. People thought, oh, maybe we might lose all that he has accomplished with his colleagues, officials from South Sudan that were coming to the camp and encouraging us, oh, even if we lost Dr. John, still the vision continues and things like that. That vision did continue, as his successor pledged to pursue his policies. And with 2011 approaching, preparations for an independent South Sudan began to take shape. As well as a functioning state, there were symbols that needed to be created too.
41:15A new flag. Officials chose one with three horizontal stripes of black, red and green, separated by thin white lines. It has a blue triangle on the left-hand side that contains a yellow star.
41:32There was also a new national anthem required. A nationwide talent contest was set up with students and staff from the University of Juba composing the winning entry.
41:47I was among those that were selected to learn the national anthem. And then I was sent across different counties to go and teach other people prior to the Declaration of Independence. So how long did that take them to go around the country and teach people the words to the new national anthem? Like two months, me and my colleagues were divided into different places. We were going to school. We were also going to churches.
42:20They were like, OK, we'll bring this number of people from this school, even from people from organized forces, from police, from military. They were brought in one place and then we took them to go and teach their colleagues. South Sudan possesses large natural resources, including oil, but it was largely untapped due to constant conflicts. That remains true today. There were other challenges back then too. Around three quarters of the population in 2011 were illiterate. One in seven children wouldn't live to be older than five years old. The Declaration of Independence was signed in the nation's capital at the Dr.
42:59Jongurang Mausoleum. and promote the unity of the people of South Sudan. A tribute to one of the most influential figures in the country's history who died in the helicopter crash just weeks after the 2005 peace deal was signed. Despite the fact that everybody was waiting for the declaration of a new country, some of the people even didn't hear the word declaration because they were already caught up in the moment of celebration even. The following days when people were like, oh, who spoke on the declaration? What really happened? We were having a moment of history where we were just celebrating and enjoying.
43:35It was a moment of hope and joy and optimism for the future that lies ahead of me. I didn't know that it would be like the way it is today. Since then, the country has struggled with political instability. By the end of 2013, a civil conflict emerged and continued for five years. It left hundreds of thousands dead. In 2026, a humanitarian crisis remains and there are growing fears of a possible return to conflict. But back in 2011, as the new large flag was raised in the new capital Juba, as the birth of a new nation was introduced to the world, there were tears in the eyes of citizens belting out the new national anthem.
44:28It talks about the sacrifice that was done by the martyrs and cementing the foundation of our nation. It reminds us that maybe their struggle was not in vain. They died for something, for us to live in peace and harmony.
44:49Malwell Balkir was speaking to Daniel Rosny and remembering that moment of optimism in South Sudan when it gained statehood in 2011 after a bitter civil war. And a backdrop of conflict and displacement lies behind our next story, but this time in Europe. In 1916, Zurich was a beacon for refugees. Fleeing the death and destruction of the First World War, artists and free thinkers from all over Europe fled to the neutral Swiss city. And it was here that the people who would start the art movement known as Dada came together. Josephine McDermott has the story.
45:39Don't worry, you're forgiven for not understanding that language. That's a Dada poem. We're going to find out what on earth that's all about and how it helped to shape the future of music, art and political protest. We're in Zurich, Switzerland in 1916. World War I has been fought for two years between the so-called central powers of Germany and Austro-Hungary and an alliance of Russia, France and Great Britain. There is ongoing trench warfare in France, Luxembourg and Belgium in the west and Russia in the east. It is the most deadly and destructive war the world has yet seen. Switzerland, a neutral country, is where many refugees have headed.
46:25Among them are artists and free thinkers from all over Europe. In a BBC interview in 1959, Richard Hülsenbeck described how he came to be one leaving Germany. I didn't like it in Berlin. I was very much opposed to the imperial set-up there. and together with many friends we believed that the Kaiser and his army had a great hand in causing the First World War. Our resentment was so strong that I decided to go to Zurich. There were two motives. One is a personal one, namely to follow my friend Hugo Ball and the other one was a political and social one to get out of Berlin and Germany. Hugo Ball was a writer, actor and dramatist.
47:11On a sloping, cobbled back street, Spiegelglasser No. 1, near the River Limat, amongst the tall, elegant townhouses with shuttered windows, he and his wife, Emmy Hennings, found a small bar. They lent it the name of the French Enlightenment writer who had outspoken beliefs in religious, political and social liberty. The Cavalier Voltaire was originally founded by Ball in order to give him some support He wanted to make a living there, he had gone through hard times Both founders, original founders of the Cavalier Voltaire, Ball and Hennings had worked in a factory And as they had no support, the Swiss were about to throw them out So they founded the Cabaret Voltaire, which was originally supposed to be only one of the many cabarets, but then later the artistic and literary elements came in.
48:09Ballet called it the Cabaret Voltaire because at this time it was at the extreme end of his liberalism, I may say. Young artists and pacifists, Romanian French-born poet Tristan Zara, the French sculptor Jean Up, and Romanian-born artist Marcel Janko were all drawn to the bar. Ball as well as myself were writers. And one evening I came in, there was Zara and Arp and Janko and his brothers, all people who had come together to collaborate with the cabaret Voltaire. A recipe for success. Anyhow, our cabaret was bankrupt after two weeks The owner came and said, dear friends, I'm sorry But you will have to quit the place unless you bring in some money So we had to hire a real performer who could sing A ball played a piano, but the public wanted to hear some songs And we hired a Swiss girl Her name was rather complicated and we wanted to give her a stage name So a few days before she was supposed to come to the cabaret I went with him through the Larousse Encyclopedia, and there I found the word Dada.
49:20So I said to Baal, why not Dada? And he said, Dada, Dada is wooden horse or toy in French. This girl that I was talking about never showed up in the cabaret, and therefore we told the whole story to our friends. The word Dada had a kind of a magical attraction and from now on we called many of our activities Dada. And how did they make Dada? It was about group collaboration, spontaneity and chance. Wanting to reject all traditional types of art, many Dadaists worked in collage and photomontage. They wanted to shock, be absurd, create chaos. For one early performance it's said that Hugo Ball was carried onto the stage in a cardboard cylinder he described as a sorcerer's costume.
50:13He had wings, giant paper claws and a blue and white striped hat which was two feet tall and he performed sound poetry which focused on sounds over meaning. Carawani! Actor Brian Blessed by Hugo Ball was recorded at the Londada Festival in London in 2016.
50:57I would say we were anarchists, not communists. We didn't want to belong to any party. What we wanted to act upon or what we wanted to act against, we didn't know exactly. So I had been, since I founded Dada together with Ab and Sarah and Bal and the others, I always was in the state of slight uncertainty about the definition of Dada. until finally I decided that just this kind of uncertainty was the characteristic of Dada. So here was Dadaism. We decided then, I don't want to say that I did it alone because this was the whole atmosphere. In this attempt to intellectualize it, we finally came to the decision that the irrationality of this movement was its essential factor.
51:53So that's all clear then. The first Dada Manifesto was written in 1916. It was a collection of their feelings about the war and society and previous philosophies. But where to target their anger? We had a great deal of hostility, which is always, in my opinion, a part of irrationality. We didn't know exactly against whom we should turn. But it was very important for us to find a target for our resentment. I believe that all creative people have a great resentment either against the country that they live in or against the civilisation, the period of history that they live in. And we had this great hostility which we had turned first against the war and against the imperial regime.
52:38Then art, as it was known then, recognisable subjects, people, landscapes, objects aimed at mirroring reality, became the target. Arp had participated in the activities of the cabaret from the very beginning. He's not only a great sculptor, but a great human being, and in his own, a little bit naive way, a great philosopher. He had been from the very beginning against representational art. I then devoted a great deal of time to study the problem of representational and abstract art. Then, to my amazement, I found that the hostility that I couldn't find a target for was something that could be used in the fight against conventional art.
53:23Speaking in an interview from 1959, that was the German writer and poet Richard Halsenbeck. And his words were used by Josephine McDermott to help explain the birth of the Dadaist movement in 1916. Richard Halsenbeck died at the age of 81 in 1974, round about the time when the Dada-influenced punk rock movement began to take shape. There are, of course, many, many more stories covering significant moments in art history on our website. Find them by going to bbc.com slash witnesshistory. Finally, this week's Sporting Witness. With the UK's Grand Slam tennis tournament Wimbledon underway, we look back to the final of 2008, which none other than John McEnroe called the greatest match ever played.
54:06Taking nearly seven hours because of rain delays, it ended with a 22-year-old Rafael Nadal defeating his great rival Roger Federer just before nightfall. Umidore Swamy has the story. Nadal is on his back. The flashbacks go off like bat works on centre-cours. The longest final in history, surely the greatest final in history, and we have a new champion. The King of Play has conquered the grass. He is Rafael Nadal of Spain. It wasn't an easy path for Rafael Nadal to win his first Wimbledon men's singles tennis titles. Known for being a clay court specialist, some felt that the 22-year-old Spaniard might never win a major title on grass.
54:58But he sees it as a turning point in his game. Win Wimbledon in 2008 was an amazing step forward in my career because I showed myself that I was able to win outside of clay in a Grand Slam. That was an injection of confidence for me and of course be able to beat the best player on grass in a final. After all the things that happened during the match, it was something to be proud of yourself. But I was a player that, because of my character, I was never, you know, 100 % in peace. So I wanted to, OK, now I achieved that, but now I have to keep going. So that's the way my mind worked all my tennis career, and that's what I did.
55:41That keep going attitude was instilled in him from an early age by his uncle Tony, who started coaching him when he was just four. And he was strict. I was able to go through all of that. I was prepared for holding that pressure in my daily basis. I really think that if my uncle will not see that character on me, he will not push me that way. And that's why he was pushing me to the limit on, I think, on everyday practice. And that helped. I think it's not only one way to success, but that worked for me. I always understood that he did everything for my benefit. And as Uncle Tony had a lot of control over young Rafa, he managed to convince him he even could control the weather.
56:23We were on the car and it was a little bit cloudy out there, and I was a little bit worried because I was playing against an older guy than me. It was my first match. He said, no worries, you go, you play, and if your opponent is beating you easy, I'm going to create some rain to stop the match. So I said, wow, you can do that? Yes, of course. OK, so we start the match. OK, the match started not good for me. 1-0, 2-0, 3-0, maybe I think 4-0 but then I was coming back so for 1, for 2, for 3 and then the rain starts so I went up the court a little bit in a sacred way I went to him and said Tony, I think you can stop the rain because I really think I can win this match
57:08And he did, and many more including the French Open on the clay at Roland Garros in 2005 the first time he entered the tournament. And a bit of science for you, clay courts have a higher friction which slows the ball down, making it bounce higher, whereas grass absorbs the impact, causing the ball to skid faster and bounce lower. So what did the King of Clay think he was like on the other surface? I was not that bad on grass. People thought that I was only clay court player because I was achieving a lot on clay. The truth is I was achieving a lot on hard. and on grass I was playing quite decent too.
57:45But, of course, because I was winning unbelievable on play, so people considered me a clay court player. But I always had in my mind that I need to play well on grass. I made a mistake that year, 2005, after winning Roland Garros. I went to the tournament, I rest for a couple of days, and I remember that. So the year after, 2006, when I won Roland Garros, the day after, I was already practicing on grass. Let's get some stats. Federer has beaten Nadal at Wimbledon in 2006 and 2007, and he's also number one in the world. But Nadal beat Federer at the French Open final a month earlier. On finals day, there was typical British summer weather, meaning the match was delayed by rain.
58:36The rivalry had gained momentum over the last few months, and it was one of the most anticipated finals. It's one of the most emotional matches in my career, without a doubt. First of all, I lost already two finals. 2008, I arrived to the tournament ready. For me, it was a huge goal to win Wimbledon. Then I started the final playing well. First set very well, second set. I think it was a little bit strange. Roger made a couple of mistakes. Then, OK, two sets to love and I was playing very well. But then... The match starts to become more equal in Roger. raised the level of his tennis. He was more and more aggressive.
59:13I lost the third set tiebreak. All good. He played very well. He served very well. But the fourth set tiebreak was a heartbreaker for me, to be honest. It was 5-2 for me, two serves. I made that double fall and I was match point and an easy forehand. He made a great passing shot. Wow. And you feel a second away to win Wimbledon. And after that second, you feel like you need to fight for another set after losing two sets in a row against the best grass court player of the history. So, wow. Mentally, to organise all of this was, yeah, was a challenge. Two sets all, but the momentum was definitely with Federer.
59:58So was history, as he was the five-time champion. But then, at two games all in the deciding set, the rain started. Was it Uncle Tony at work on the weather again?
1:00:36And I went back on court with the determination to stay 100 % ready to fight till the end. It doesn't matter whatever happened. The match moved into its fifth hour. The light was fading fast as it turned nine o 'clock. This was back before Centre Court at Wimbledon had lights and a roof. So it was decided by the referee that the match would be stopped for the night at eight games all. But the back and forth continued, with Federer finally faltering when serving at seven all, meaning Nadal had the vital break of serve, and the title was finally his.
1:01:16And the Wimbledon Gentleman's singles champion for 2008, Rafael Nadal!
1:01:30What an incredible ovation, as Nadal, this extraordinary beast, this amazing athlete from Mallorca, shakes the hands of all the members of the presentation party. And in darkness in southwest London, the man from Spain, Nadal, lifts the gleaming gold trophy high above his head. It's the trophy that means so much and means the most to him. Wow. Can you describe what you felt when you just fell to the floor, when you knew that you were the Wimbledon champion? Well, it's impossible to explain what I felt in that moment. So just very, very happy for winning this title. My favourite tournament for me is a dream, playing this court, but winning, I never imagined something like this.
1:02:18So very happy. Thank you very much, everybody. I think it was part of the process winning Wimbledon that year. I think it helped me to keep believing on my abilities, He believed I can win in other places, and that's what happened.
1:02:38Rafael Nadal, who would go on to win 22 majors before retiring in 2024. Our guide through the drama of Wimbledon 2008 was Uma Doriswamy. And that's it for this edition of the History Hour. As ever, we'll have more personal stories from the past for you next week. Do join us again then, if you can. But for now, this is Max Pearson from all of us here. Thanks for listening. Goodbye.
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From the publisher
Max Pearson presents a collection of the week’s Witness History interviews from the BBC World Service.
Our guest is Mateja Kurir, associate professor at the University of Ljubljana in Slovenia and the editor of the book, On Power in Architecture.
We start with Jackie Kennedy's 1962 renovation of the United States' White House and the immigrant workers who protested against rent hikes and living conditions in 1970s France.
Next, the toxic explosion in a chemical factory in northern Italy in 1975 and South Sudan's celebration of independence in 2011.
Plus, the art movement Dada which began 110 years ago and went on to influence Surrealism and punk.
Finally, the Wimbledon final of 2008 between Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer which some call the greatest tennis match ever played.
Contributors: Jackie Kennedy - featured in a CBS TV special in 1962. Mohammed Kherbachi - witness to the foyer strikes of the 1970s. Giuseppe Cassina - former Mayor of Seveso. Malual Bol Kiir - on the time of South Sudan's independence. Richard Huelsenbeck - interviewed in 1959 for the BBC programme, The Meaning of Dada. Rafael Nadal - winner of 22 Grand Slam singles titles.
(Photo: The White House in 1962. Credit: Getty Images)
