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The History Hour: Chile’s Penguin Revolution and the 5,000-Year-Old Frozen Mummy
Episode Overview In this episode of *The History Hour,* host Max Pearson presents a series of historical narratives drawn from recent *Witness History* interviews. The episode delves into various significant events, including:
- The Penguin Revolution in Chile (2006)
- The Kaohsiung Incident in Taiwan (1979)
- The liberation of Auschwitz during World War II (1945)
- The fascinating discovery of a 5,000-year-old frozen mummy in the Ötztal Alps (1991)
- The growth of rugby in Syria amidst civil unrest (2011)
- A centenary celebration of the invention of television.
Key Segments
- The Penguin Revolution in Chile (2006)
- Overview: Over 600,000 schoolchildren protested against educational inequalities in Chile, leading to a nationwide movement known as the "Penguin Revolution."
- Key Figures:
- Karina Delfino: A leader of the protests who spoke against the inequities in the educational system.
- Dr. Laura Tisdall: Historian who contextualized the Penguin Revolution within the history of youth-led protests.
- Key Themes:
- Inequities in education due to socio-economic disparities.
- Demand for reforms in the education system established during General Augusto Pinochet's dictatorship.
- The impact of mobilization and student leadership in effecting change, such as the eventual abolition of profit-based schools and increased access to university education.
- The Kaohsiung Incident in Taiwan (1979)
- Context: A pivotal protest for democracy organized by the Formosa Magazine, leading to clashes with military forces.
- Key Contributors:
- Yao Jia-wen: A participant who described the events and their consequences.
- Implications:
- The protest is seen as a crucial step towards Taiwan's democratization, eventually leading to significant political reforms.
- The Liberation of Auschwitz (1945)
- Major Points:
- Account of the Soviet Red Army's liberation of Auschwitz and the horrors they encountered.
- Testimonies from General Vasily Petrenko and Auschwitz survivors revealing the atrocities committed.
- Historical Significance: This event marked a crucial moment in the acknowledgment of the Holocaust and the horrors of Nazi concentration camps.
- Discovery of the 5,000-Year-Old Frozen Mummy (1991)
- Findings: The discovery of a naturally preserved mummy known as Ötzi, revealing insights into prehistoric life.
- Key Contributors:
- Dr. Rainer Henn: Forensic pathologist who examined Ötzi.
- Konrad Spindler: Archaeologist who identified the significance of the find.
- Scientific Impact: The discovery led to a deeper understanding of early human civilization and its transition from the Stone Age to the Bronze Age.
- Rugby in Syria (2011)
- Overview: The emergence of rugby in Syria during a period of civil unrest, spearheaded by Mohamad Jarkou and the Zenobians team.
- Key Themes:
- The role of sports in fostering unity and resilience amidst conflict.
- The adaptation and growth of rugby in a war-torn country, culminating in international participation.
- The Invention of Television
- Historical Insight: Reflection on the 100-year anniversary of television, focusing on John Logie Baird's significant contributions to the medium.
- Cultural Impact: How television transformed communication and entertainment globally.
Key Takeaways
- The Penguin Revolution highlighted the power of youth activism in challenging systemic inequalities.
- The Kaohsiung Incident became a catalyst for Taiwan’s democratic transition and political reform.
- The liberation of Auschwitz remains a crucial historical memory that emphasizes the need for remembrance and education about the Holocaust.
- The discovery of Ötzi provided valuable insights into prehistoric life and the development of human societies.
- Rugby's growth in Syria illustrates the unifying power of sports, even in the face of adversity.
- The invention of television revolutionized global communication and continues to impact society profoundly.
Contributors
- Karina Delfino: Leader of the Penguin Revolution.
- Dr. Laura Tisdall: Historian at Newcastle University.
- Yao Jia-wen: Protester from the Kaohsiung Incident.
- General Vasily Petrenko: Soviet commander involved in the liberation of Auschwitz.
- Dr. Rainer Henn: Forensic pathologist who studied Ötzi.
- Mohamad Jarkou: Syrian rugby union player.
- Iain Logie Baird: Grandson of John Logie Baird, inventor of television.
Conclusion This episode of *The History Hour* presents a rich tapestry of historical events, showcasing the resilience and impact of collective human action across diverse contexts. The narratives emphasize the importance of remembering and learning from history to inspire future generations.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Penguin Revolution Overview
1:20 to 2:18
Explores the 2006 protests in Chile known as the Penguin Revolution.
“This week, protests in Taiwan during the fight for democracy.”
Karina Delfino's Leadership and Insights
2:18 to 9:55
Karina Delfino shares her experiences leading the protests and challenges in education.
“For this, we travel back to Chile in 2006, when more than 600 ,000 children marched through the streets to protest about the standard of education in their schools.”
Global Perspectives on Child Protests
9:55 to 14:02
Discussion on historical child-led protests worldwide and their impacts.
“but it left much of the old dictatorship system, such as profit-making schools, in place.”
Children's Role in Historical Protests
14:02 to 15:54
Exploration of how children have influenced political protests throughout history.
“So there were protests by children about education, about the end of apartheid, really big things.”
The Kaohsiung Incident: A Fight for Democracy
15:54 to 16:20
An overview of the Kaohsiung incident as a pivotal moment in Taiwan's democratic movement.
“protest in a different part of the world that even today is at the centre of geopolitical tension.”
Tensions and Negotiations during the Rally
16:20 to 17:44
Details of the escalating tensions and negotiations during the Kaohsiung rally.
“Yao Jia-Wun is working at Formosa Magazine, a publication which opposes the monopoly of the government of the Kuomintang, a Chinese nationalist political party.”
Aftermath of the Kaohsiung Incident
17:44 to 20:02
Consequences faced by the participants after the Kaohsiung incident unfolded.
“That's Taiwan's secret police, who had wide-ranging powers to arrest anyone deemed to be critical of government policy.”
Trials and Political Repercussions
20:02 to 22:28
Description of the trials faced by leaders of the Formosa incident and their implications.
“They arrested a total of 40 people and they tried to charge them with rebellion.”
Changes in Taiwanese Politics
22:28 to 24:21
Examination of the political changes in Taiwan following the Kaohsiung incident.
“And I've heard that President Chiang Ching-kuo was very surprised he didn't see this coming.”
Liberation of Auschwitz: A Historical Account
25:25 to 28:00
Details surrounding the liberation of Auschwitz and the testimonies of survivors.
“found frozen and perfectly preserved in the Alps.”
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Witnessing Auschwitz: Personal Accounts of Atrocity
28:00 to 34:18
Learn about the harrowing experiences of Jewish people during the Holocaust and the liberation of Auschwitz.
“From the moment he came to power in 1933, Hitler had fuelled hatred against Jews, blaming them for Germany's economic problems.”
Commemoration of Holocaust Victims
34:18 to 34:28
Discover the establishment of an international day to remember Holocaust victims.
“It's estimated that 1.1 million people died there.”
The Birth of Television: John Logie Baird's Demonstration
34:31 to 42:00
Learn about John Logie Baird's groundbreaking demonstration of early television technology.
“Next, it's 100 years since a technological breakthrough that would change the world.”
Baird vs. Marconi EMI: The Early Days of Television
42:00 to 43:05
Learn about the competition between Baird and Marconi EMI in early television history.
“Marconi EMI, who'd been so unenthusiastic about his concept ten years before, had also developed a television system.”
The Rise of Rugby in Syria Amidst Conflict
43:05 to 43:39
Discover the story of rugby's growth in Syria despite political turmoil.
“Disappointed but not defeated, John Logie Baird continued his research, and in 1944, he demonstrated the first electronic colour television receiver.”
Mohamed Jaku: Journey of a Syrian Rugby Pioneer
43:39 to 47:24
Follow Mohamed Jaku's journey as he introduces rugby to Syria and faces challenges.
“And we knew that the game is ours and we will win.”
Building a National Team: Rugby in a War Zone
47:24 to 51:09
Learn about the challenges and triumphs of forming a national rugby team in Syria.
“Mohamed and his teammates made it through the group stage, then the quarterfinals, the semifinals and...”
Rugby Dreams Realized: A Personal Reflection
51:09 to 51:59
Hear about the emotional journey of achieving a dream in rugby amidst adversity.
“By 2018, four clubs had a full 15-a-side rugby union team, and women's teams had also been formed, and the country now competes in sevens tournaments in Asia and the Middle East.”
Unraveling the Mystery of the Iceman
52:36 to 56:05
Explore the fascinating details surrounding the discovery of the frozen mummy.
“Here's Hunter Charlton explaining why the Iceman first proved to be a complete mystery.”
The Significance of the Alpine Glacier Discovery
56:05 to 58:20
Explore the extraordinary findings related to a human corpse discovered in an alpine glacier.
“as well as the stone tool he possesses in his sheaf.”
Preservation Challenges and Scientific Exploration
58:22 to 1:00:25
Learn about the preservation issues and scientific methods used to examine the frozen body.
“The body had thawed, fungal spores had developed on its surface, It was decomposing rapidly.”
The Mysteries of Ötzi
1:00:28 to 1:00:59
Discover the ongoing mysteries surrounding Ötzi, the world's oldest frozen person.
“will still have plenty to research on the Iceman.”
Transcript
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1:15Hello and welcome to the History Hour from the BBC World Service with me, Max Pearson, the past brought to life by those who were there. This week, protests in Taiwan during the fight for democracy. The military started firing tear gas to try to disperse the people there. I told the public to leave the scene, and that was the moment the conflict began. Also, the liberation of Auschwitz, the Nazis' largest death camp. When our troops moved in, the Nazis saw they did not have time to gas the remaining prisoners. So they started shooting them, spraying the barracks with machine gun fire. The barracks were flooded with blood.
2:00Plus, the invention of television a century ago, and the 5 ,000-year-old mummy found frozen in the Alps. I can only say he's definitely dead. He has been lying here for a long time, probably in the water and a very long time in the ice. That's all coming up. But first, an example of pupil power. For this, we travel back to Chile in 2006, when more than 600 ,000 children marched through the streets to protest about the standard of education in their schools. The nationwide demonstrations became known as the Penguin Revolution. Grace Livingston can tell us why. There were lots of placards saying, no more profits, quality education for all.
2:50There was a feeling of change in the air, a desire for social transformation. I would say it was a kind of, I don't want to say chaotic, but kind of hectic, you know, in terms of mobilisation and the shutdown of all schools. Karina Delfino was a 16-year-old schoolgirl and one of the leaders of the protest, known as the Penguin Revolution, because of the colour of their school uniforms.
3:18The boys wore black trousers and a white shirt and usually a dark tie and a black jacket. And the girls, we wore a navy blue jumper and a white shirt, so we wore black and white penguins, or let's say blue and white penguins.
3:40The nationwide shutdown was the culmination of months of protests against inequalities in the education system. The protesters said that children from poorer backgrounds were taught in badly equipped, overcrowded classrooms and were far less likely to go to university than children from wealthy families. It was the parents' ability to pay that ultimately determined the children's opportunities. That's what was put up for discussion by the Penguin Revolution. Why is it that if I don't have money, I'm almost condemned to not being able to go to university. The quality of education was at stake because in the end, educational inequality depended on whether you had financial resources or not.
4:27Karina herself grew up in a poor neighbourhood in Santiago. I was brought up with lots of love, but material things were in abundance, quite the reverse. For example, there were Christmases when my mother found it difficult to make a meal. At her primary school, she saw firsthand the lack of basic necessities. Sometimes the windows in the classroom were broken or the toilets didn't work. We lacked materials like notebooks or erasers, but the teachers were very committed. When she was 15, Carina was elected president of her school student council and she began to meet student leaders from other schools.
5:09They believed that inequalities in the education system stemmed from the changes introduced during the dictatorship of General Augusto Pinochet, which was in power in Chile from 1973 to 1990. The military regime had introduced a market system, enabling schools to be profit-making businesses. Changes which were formalised in an education law known as the LOSSE. Carina was determined to understand the details. I began to study. Imagine how furious my mum was while my friends were studying mathematics and languages and I was studying the education law, the laws on finance. The students drew up a list of short-term and long-term demands.
5:57In the long term, they wanted to abolish Pinochet's education law, bring education under the control of the central government and re-evaluate the whole school curriculum. In the short term, they demanded free travel to school, abolishing the fee for university entrance exams and better school dinners.
6:20As television channel TVN reported, in April 2006, pupils in Lota in southern Chile protested after rain poured through the roof of their school. Students from other areas also began to hold marches, which grew to thousands. But early in May 2006, Karina was disappointed when one large demonstration in the capital descended into violence. You always get masked people who infiltrate the march. They broke traffic lights, bus stops and street signs. And because they damaged things, the press reported only bad things. So we said, let's change the strategy. Let's take over our schools, because if we occupy our schools in a peaceful way, the media won't be able to show any distraction and they will report what we want to say.
7:15On the 19th of May 2006, the students took over their first school in Santiago. A few pupils stayed in the building after lessons, then let the other students in overnight. So we took the first school, called Application High School. The police arrived with municipal officials because we occupied it at 2 o 'clock in the morning. But just as the police arrived here, students began to take over the National Institute, which is one of the best-known schools in Chile. Then a third school was taken over. It was now 7 a.m., and the first press reports began to come out saying that all three schools were occupied and they couldn't evict them.
8:00In the following weeks, students all over the country began to take over their schools. I went to many occupied schools to say the same thing, that there was not going to be any damage to the schools. On the contrary, we were going to fix them up and that's what we did. We painted them, we painted murals. So the same media began to ask, what do these students want? They began to interview us.
8:31Karina and other student leaders, here talking on TVN, spoke out against inequality in education. At five o 'clock in the morning on the 30th of May 2006, a journalist told Karina that pupils had taken over a school on Easter Island, a territory in the Pacific Ocean governed by Chile. This meant every school in Chile was now occupied.
8:59After two days of this nationwide student strike, the president of Chile, Michelle Bachelet, gave a televised address, conceding to the students' short-term demands and promising to overhaul the whole education system. When she spoke, obviously you feel like, hey, the president of the republic speaking to the student movement. That's no small thing. When the highest representative of Chile spoke about the student movement, it created a moment, a kind of clique, in which the political system took notice of us and realised that they had to take us into account. The president rapidly approved funds to mend dilapidated schools, abolished university exam entrance fees for 80 % of students, and introduced free travel to school for the poorer students.
9:53Three years later, in 2009, a new education law was passed, but it left much of the old dictatorship system, such as profit-making schools, in place.
10:06So in 2010 and 2011, university students, following the schoolchildren's example, held a wave of nationwide protests. Finally, President Bachelet, in her second term of office, between 2014 and 2018, introduced reforms which addressed most of the school students' original demands. Profit-making schools were phased out, and free university education was introduced for 60 % of the poorest students. Karina says these were historic achievements, but it's important to continue pushing for improvements in education. It is essential that good quality education be provided to all children, regardless of their birthplace, their origin, or their family's resources.
10:54So just because they were born in a certain neighbourhood or attended a certain school, that doesn't mean they can't make progress.
11:06Karina Delfino, who is now the mayor of the municipality of Quinta Normal in Santiago, Chile, she was talking to Grace Livingston. And that penguin revolution in 2006 was not the first or only time children and young people have challenged authority. So let's look at some others in the company of Dr. Laura Tisdell, who lectures in modern British history at Newcastle University and has written about childhood and protest. And we can't go into every child-based protest that there has been, but there are some standards. So can you take us first, Laura, back to the US in the early 1900s? What happened in Massachusetts?
11:40Yeah, so in 1912, there was a strike at a textile mill against pay cuts. It was led by Italian workers, many of whom were actually also children themselves. But one particularly interesting thing that happened during this strike was what was called the children's exodus. So families actually sent lots of their younger children to sympathetic families in nearby states to gain support for the strike. And this took place against a wider background of children's militarism in the US in the late 20th century. There were over 100 strikes or protests for students at US grade schools in this period. And did it work?
12:16Yes, to an extent. So there were improvements to pay a conditional arrangements and there were congressional hearings after the strike. Let's go to another part of the world then, and also moving forward in time, because in Japan after the Second World War, there were demonstrations there in which children played an important part. Yes, so the context of this was at this time Japan was occupied by the USA following defeat in World War II and Japanese authorities were trying to close down Korean ethnic schools operating in Japan under the direction of the US. And so Koreans, including students and their parents, protest against the closure of their schools.
12:51And this leads to the imposition of martial law and violence against protesters in Osaka. There's one particular incident when the police use water cannon to disperse protesters called the Hanshin education incident, and they actually kill a 16-year-old Korean boy who was one of the protesters. So children very much at the fore of a couple of demonstrations there in different parts of the world in different times, but perhaps many people will know and remember images of what happened in South Africa in the long-running fight against apartheid in which children very much played a role in the streets chanting and protesting.
13:25Yes, this is a particularly important one, what happens in Soweto in 1976, because it influences child-led uprisings worldwide and global attitudes to apartheid. So a number of black schoolchildren protest and many are killed and injured by police and they're focused on the imposition of the Afrikaans' language in schools. And this initial police violence leads to later waves of arrest and torture and disappearances of black young people. And this, as I say, is really a turning point globally against apartheid because of the images of children being treated in this way change other countries' attitudes.
14:02So there were protests by children about education, about the end of apartheid, really big things. And also in the 1980s, children played a part in campaigning for nuclear disarmament because the 80s were still very much the tail end of the Cold War, but the threat of nuclear war hung over societies. Well, yeah, I would argue that in the early 1980s, in fact, the Cold War is burning hotter. It's possibly the scariest moment throughout the whole of the Cold War with tensions rising between the US and USSR. And in Britain, children and teenagers are a really important part of campaigning against nuclear weapons through the Youth Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament.
14:37And actually, what's really interesting is the language they use. Like young climate justice activists today, they often use their age to say that they own the future and they're the best advocates for peace. So for example, in one leaflet, they write, as young, informed and active kids, we can do more for peace than our politicians. Overall, looking back at history, is there a sense in which when young people and children get involved in protests, it has, if you like, more impact, it's more successful? And if so, why? I think absolutely. And I think, as I was saying with Soweto, there's a sense that seeing children involved is more powerful because of their weight of that symbolism than adults.
15:15And I think children and young people themselves know that and deliberately use it to work towards the goals that they're focused on. And do adults know that as well? And therefore, are children ever manipulated into putting themselves potentially in danger on the streets to protest for wider causes? I think that absolutely can happen. I think adults are obviously aware of the power of children as in the children's exodus during the 1912 strike in Massachusetts. That's obviously a very sthetic using of children in that respect. But I do think that children often know what they're doing and do take an active part in these protests out of their own choice.
15:49That was Dr. Laura Tisdall from Newcastle University. Next, we've got another protest in a different part of the world that even today is at the centre of geopolitical tension. It's the story of the so-called Kaohsiung incident, which back in the 1970s became a seminal moment in Taiwan's transition to democracy? Rachel Naylor has been finding out more. It's the 10th of December 1979 and we're in Gao Xiong, Taiwan's second largest city. Yao Jia-Wun is working at Formosa Magazine, a publication which opposes the monopoly of the government of the Kuomintang, a Chinese nationalist political party.
16:30It's Human Rights Day and the magazine has organized a speech in favor of democracy. When I got there, the public was quite aggressive and agitated. I saw about 5 ,000 people there, and those from our office in Kaohsiung were very insistent on starting a rally. Ji-hye Wun and his colleagues at the magazine were promoting three main ideas. The first was to lift the martial law, the second was to reform the Congress, and the third was to amend the constitution. Jia Wen thought the best way to spread their ideas was to give more speeches to the public, but not everyone agreed. There were people in Kaohsiung who were very eager to start a radical campaign against the government.
17:22So there were military officers scattered among the public. Quite a few people wanted to fight the military. That's how the riot started. Chia Wen and the crowd were surrounded by the military. I was asked to go to one of the police stations to negotiate with the officers in the garrison command. That's Taiwan's secret police, who had wide-ranging powers to arrest anyone deemed to be critical of government policy. They demanded an immediate dispersal of the public. I said that was impossible and that we could only disperse the public after delivering the speech for one hour. The military started firing tear gas to try to disperse the people there.
18:11I hurried back and told the public to leave the scene. And that was the moment the conflict began. In the end, the public was dispersed. No severe damage was done. There were some people hurt, both members of the public and the military, but not seriously. A confrontation like that had never happened during the martial law. The rally was covered internationally. including by the Associated Press, who wrote, Dissident rioters led by 100 members of a non-party political publication wielded torches and wooden clubs on Monday night in a clash against military and police forces in Kaohsiung, Taiwan's southern port city.
18:57Joined by a mob and onlookers of 10 ,000, the rioters staged a rally on human rights without prior permission and triggered the incident in which more than 40 persons were hurt. In 1979, Taiwan was a one-party state. At that time, the Kuomintang, or KMT, insisted that it was the government of China. So it ruled Taiwan with the same ideology as the Beijing government, and Taiwanese people had very limited rights. The United Nations and the US didn't recognize Taiwan, so that's why we thought there should be political reform. We were a very peaceful magazine, but lots of people there didn't have enough patience, and they didn't want to wait for change.
19:45They wanted to take radical action to fight against the government. We believe at that time, the garrison command wanted to crack down on these activities. Jia Wen was arrested three days later on the 13th of December. They arrested a total of 40 people and they tried to charge them with rebellion. There was propaganda claiming that we were rioters attacking the military officers. So that's why eight of us were sent to the military court, while the rest of them were sent to the common law court. Jia Wun was one of the Kaohsiung eight who were seen as the leaders. Because I had worked as a lawyer, I could sense that there was a certain hesitation, that they didn't know how to proceed with the trial.
20:41In the very beginning, they tried to charge us with separatism or inciting the independence of Taiwan. We were forced to admit that we had connections with overseas organizations in the US or Japan that wanted Taiwanese independence. The final charge was the overthrowing of the government. But they couldn't detail how we overthrew them. So eventually, the prosecutor claimed we were communists. We had 15 lawyers defending the eight of us, and the trial garnered a ton of attention. Amnesty International were there, and President Chiang Ching-ku decided that newspapers could cover it. Associated Press from the United States sent a reporter.
21:33A total of 60 people, including the public and journalists, attended the trial. This was unprecedented in the history of Taiwan. The trial lasted nine days. No one was sentenced to death, even though back then in Taiwan you could get the death penalty for sedition. I was sentenced for 12 years. Jiowun served seven years in prison. Shemin De received a life sentence, while the other six received jail sentences between 10 and 14 years. In December of 1980, at the end of the trial, there was an election of Congress members. My wife was elected to the National Assembly. Most of those who were involved in the Formosa incident were elected as members.
22:28And I've heard that President Chiang Ching-kuo was very surprised he didn't see this coming. In 1987, martial law was lifted. After four decades of nationalist rule, a form of democracy is coming to Taiwan. Martial law imposed in 1949 was lifted two weeks ago. Dissidents have been released from jail and Taiwan's first party of opposition can raise its voice in public to criticise policies of the ruling Kuomintang, the KMT. After Jio-1 was released, he became the chairman of the Democratic Progressive Party, or DPP. He went on to become a member of the Legislative Yuan, Taiwan's parliament. The other seven members of the Kaohsiung 8 also all went into politics.
23:16In 2000, the first DPP president was elected. The Kaohsiung incident really changed the landscape of Taiwanese politics because prior to that, no one had ever successfully taken on the garrison command. To this day, the Kuomintang and the military were still very reluctant to talk about the Formosa incident. 50 years on, I can say that Taiwan does not need something radical or confrontational to happen in order to change We can evoke change in a peaceful, legal way It was impossible for the Taiwanese people to overthrow the Kuomintang by brute force Our experience tells us that change in Taiwan cannot happen from within We need support from an international level.
24:10So now martial law has been lifted, Congress has been reformed, and we have a presidential election by the general public. So that's why we want our leader to understand international diplomacy. We believe that the future of Taiwan does not involve confrontation or riots.
24:41Yao Jiao-won, now 87, is a senior advisor to the current president of Taiwan, Lai Chengde. He was speaking to Rachel Naylor.
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25:24Still to come, the mystery of a 5 ,000-year-old mummy found frozen and perfectly preserved in the Alps. And we mark the invention of television 100 years ago. The vision and sound are on. The station goes on the air. This is direct television from the studios at Alexander Palace. But before that, one of the defining moments from the Second World War. In January 1945, prisoners at the Nazis' largest death camp were freed by the Soviet Union's Red Army. Vicky Fankham tells us more now about the liberation of Auschwitz.
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26:06When we first entered the camp, I didn't see the prisoners. They started to come out of the barracks when our soldiers had completely cleared Auschwitz of German soldiers and no more shots were being fired. Then the prisoners started to come out of their barracks. They saw the soldiers, hugged and kissed them and thanked them joyously for rescuing them.
26:43This is Vasily Petrenko speaking to the BBC's Russian service in 2001 about the moment he and his soldiers liberated Auschwitz. In January 1945, Vasily Petrenko was the youngest general in the Soviet Union's Red Army. As he and the other troops advanced on the town of Oświeńczym in southern Poland, he told the Associated Press in 1995 liberating an extermination camp was not their intended mission. Neither Stalin nor the top military commanders mentioned the camp. I did not know anything about any camp. Instead, the soldiers' aim was to take Katowice, an industrial city about 25 miles to the northwest of Auschwitz.
27:35It was only after capturing retreating German soldiers, General Petrenko says, that they learned of Hitler's most ruthless and efficient death factory. I was holding her hands all the time in Auschwitz. that matter. If it wouldn't be for her, I wouldn't last it that day. This is Auschwitz survivor René Saltbem, speaking to BBC TV for the 80th anniversary of the liberation. From the moment he came to power in 1933, Hitler had fuelled hatred against Jews, blaming them for Germany's economic problems. Bit by bit, their rights were stripped away, laying the groundwork for the so-called final solution, the plan to mass murder millions of Jewish people.
28:25They took everything, all the silver, all the best china, all the linens, everything was taken. We didn't have a change of underwear. By 1942, Auschwitz, a complex of camps in occupied Poland, had been turned into the Nazis' biggest killing centre. Trains from across Europe brought Jews to Birkenau, the part of Auschwitz where most of the killings took place. The train slowed down and came to a stop. Immediately we heard dogs barking. They unlocked the doors, opened the map, and they're screaming and bellowing, Get off the train, be quick, get a move on. My father jumped off first. I jumped after him.
29:23When I jumped off, I didn't see him anymore. He disappeared like into thin air. They took him away. We didn't know where to. Without a kiss, without a goodbye, he disappeared like into thin air. I never saw him again. Most arrivals were sent directly to the gas chambers, where up to 2 ,000 people could be murdered at once. Guards were walking around and they said, you are here now in Auschwitz-Birkenau. We didn't know what Auschwitz-Birkenau meant. They said, here, they take you straight to the gas chambers. We were so frightened.
30:16Two artillery battalions were sent across a thin layer of ice on the river Vistola and attacked the enemy in the rear. The enemy collapsed in the face of our attack and scrambled to retreat. Our battalions pursued them and got behind the German divisions which were guarding the concentration camp at Auschwitz-Birkenau. With the combined forces, we managed to drive the Germans out and put an end to the bloodthirsty activities of the Nazi camp.
30:54In the weeks leading up to the liberation, the Nazis had tried to hide the evidence of their atrocities, blowing up crematoria and burning documents. They also forced around 56 ,000 prisoners to leave on foot to other camps in the West. During these death marches, thousands of prisoners died from fatigue, exposure, starvation, or were shot by guards for not keeping pace. When our troops moved in, the Nazis saw they did not have time to gas the remaining prisoners. So they started shooting them, spraying the barracks with machine gun fire. When I came there, I saw thousands of dead bodies. The barracks were flooded with blood.
31:42Despite Hitler's order that no prisoner should fall into enemy hands alive, around 7 ,000 prisoners lived, witnesses to the Nazis' war crimes. I had seen a lot of terrible scenes while fighting on the front lines. I saw my comrades dying. I saw signs of German atrocities in the territories we freed. Dozens of people hanged by the Germans, women and children shot to death. What I saw in the camp was beyond any comparison. I saw women and children who resembled skeletons, who couldn't even smile in a human manner. They had tears in their eyes, but they couldn't even sob.
32:29There were 29 warehouses and two were preserved. This is where they kept the executed prisoners' possessions. I was struck by the children's shoes, the children's spectacles and such things. Beside them there were some open boxes and I could see they were filled with different shades of women's hair, blonde and brunette. I said, the Nazis tore so much hair from the heads of the victims. No, they said, this is only a tiny bit of the hair they shaved from the victims' heads to send to Germany to stuff mattresses. What horrors. What monstrous things the fascists did. It was here to see. They showed me a collection of gold teeth, crowns which were kept under guard so no one would tool for them.
33:21All these things bore witness to the cruelty, to the inhumanity of German fascists in the way they punished their unarmed and innocent victims.
33:36General Petrenko never came to terms with the horrors he saw in occupied Poland. In January 1995, he travelled to Israel for a reunion of survivors. As one of the few remaining participants alive, I want to establish an international day for those who became victims of Nazi prison camps. Vicky Farncom told that story using an interview with General Vasily Petrenko recorded by the BBC in 2001. The general died two years later. In 2005, the UN General Assembly established the International Day of Commemoration in Memory of the Victims of the Holocaust. It's held annually on the 27th of January, the anniversary of the day the camp was liberated.
34:23It's estimated that 1.1 million people died there. Almost one million of those were Jewish. Next, it's 100 years since a technological breakthrough that would change the world. Television. A century on, the moving image transmitted to a screen has played a part in the lives of almost everyone on the planet. Clare Bowes has the story. It's January 1926. Men and women in evening dress are gathered in a small attic room in central London. They've been invited by a young Scottish engineer named John Logie Baird. The guests are from the Royal Institution, a highly respected body of scientists established in the late 18th century, and they are about to see the first demonstration of television.
35:11In his memoirs, John Logie Baird recalled... Over 40 members of the institution turned up, mostly distinguished scientists but with a sprinkling of ladies. This gorgeous gathering found they were expected to climb three flights of narrow stone stairs and then to stand in a narrow, drafty passage, while batches of six at a time were brought into two tiny attic rooms which formed my laboratory. In one room was a large whirling disc, a most dangerous device, had they known it, liable to burst at any minute and hop around the room with showers of broken glass. However, all went well, except for one small incident.
35:55One of the visitors who was being transmitted had a long white beard, part of which blew into the wheel. Fortunately, he escaped with the loss of a certain amount of hair. He was a thorough sportsman and took the accident in good part and insisted on continuing the experiment and having his face transmitted. The gathering watched as the bearded guest sat in front of a large spinning disc edged with about 30 lenses, each the size of a bullseye. He was illuminated by a single beam of light projected through the disc. The reflected light was converted by a photoelectric device into a series of electrical signals and transmitted through the air to the room next door, where the image of the bearded man was converted into a picture and could be seen on a glass screen.
36:46Two days later, the London Times reported the successful test of the televisor. The image as transmitted was faint and often blurred but substantiated a claim that through the televisor as Mr Baird has named his apparatus it is possible to transmit and reproduce instantly the details of movement and such things as the play of expression on the face He was quite pleased with the account that the reporter had done in the Times that was accurate to what had been demonstrated so this was excellent But as Logie Baird's grandson Ian explains, this was not to be the last demonstration. The job of convincing the scientists was far tougher than he had imagined.
37:31He said he had to fight, he had to kick, he had to scream, because there were a lot of people who didn't believe that it worked. And so they were trying to manage the perception of the television medium at that time, both Hutchinson, his business manager, and himself, by killing it with repeated demonstrations. And that was their strategy, just to demonstrate as much as possible. But he thought that sometimes he was too much of a fighter, and this wasn't seen as something that was correct for someone in the scientific community. Logie Baird wasn't like most scientists. He had an entrepreneurial spirit, and as well as inventing the technology, he also hoped to manufacture the television receivers or sets.
38:14But he even had trouble convincing technology companies of the value of television. He went to the Marconi company to try and get his system financed because they tried to get money to do more experimentation and they were having a lot of difficulty. So the reason he approached Marconi was basically to develop some kind of arrangement or deal where he could get financing from them. And he sat in their office for quite a while. They kept him waiting and eventually he was brought in to see a Mr. Grey and sat down at the table and he said, do you have any interest in television? And he replied, no, no, I have no interest in it whatsoever.
38:52And that was pretty much the attitude towards television in 1925 was that there was just people who weren't interested in it. And he wrote in his autobiography that it was as if he'd asked Mr. Grey if he was interested in brothels. In the end, it seemed that many people just found the whole idea of being able to broadcast live moving images completely unfathomable. Ian Logie-Baird remembers being told about one encounter his grandfather had with one particularly wary journalist. A very large person came out and asked him all about it and then he left and he found out later that the person who had originally been there to interview him had thought he was a crazy person or a weirdo or something and had gotten the biggest reporter that they had working at the newspaper out there just in case he had a knife on him or something and that was how shocking the story was to people at that time that you could actually do this and send these images.
39:54The idea of transmitting live images may have seemed curious to most people at the time but Logie Baird wasn't the only scientist experimenting with television in the 1920s. So for him, the successful demonstration in front of members of the Royal Institution in January 1926 marked a real turning point. One of the scientists who had come in there, who was actually someone who'd done experiments with television himself, had tried to develop a television system, said, Barrett has got it, and now it's just a matter of pounds, shillings and pence. And for him, this was one of the most positive comments from the whole evening, if not the most positive, because it gave him the confidence to know that he'd gotten the basics of the system working.
40:41It was now just a matter of development. And so the point of invention was passed. What was to come was development. Because on the 26th, before that date, most scientists were saying that you could not send television by breaking the picture down into sections of dark and light and then sending it as a radio signal. the majority opinion had been that you needed separate radio frequencies to transmit each pixel and the entire picture would be sent simultaneously rather than through scanning. And this was a way of him realising that the method that he'd been discouraged from was actually the correct way to produce a television image.
41:20And since then, virtually all television systems have been based on scanning and breaking the image down into light and shade. Logie Baird continued to improve the technology, but despite viewing several demonstrations, the founder of the BBC, John Reith, was still not interested in television. In fact, he thought... It's a potential social menace of the first magnitude. But in 1934, the British government had decided that Britain should have a television service, the first that the world had ever seen. The vision and sound are on. The station goes on the air. This is direct television from the studios at Alexander Palace.
42:02By now, Baird had competition. Marconi EMI, who'd been so unenthusiastic about his concept ten years before, had also developed a television system. It was electronic and used cathode rays. Both produced similar pictures, so in 1936 the BBC began broadcasting using both systems. Marconi EMI, one week from Studio A, the Baird mechanical system the next week from Studio B. Conjured up in sound and sight by the magic rays of light that bring television to you.
42:52It soon became clear that the Marconi EMI pictures were better, and after only three months, the final Baird transmission went out at the end of January 1937. Disappointed but not defeated, John Logie Baird continued his research, and in 1944, he demonstrated the first electronic colour television receiver. John Logie Baird died in 1946. His grandson Ian was speaking to Claire Bowes back in 2010. A moment of sporting history next, and this is the inspiring story of how rugby union came to thrive in Syria despite violent government crackdowns during 2011. Tim O 'Callaghan explains. Emotions was going high like a hell, and we were celebrating even before the last 30 seconds.
43:45And we knew that the game is ours and we will win. That's Mohamed Jaku, and we'll find out what he was celebrating in just a moment. He was the first Syrian to start playing rugby union in the country. And it started when he got an email whilst working for the United Nations, asking for... Interested persons to play rugby for a team. I have no idea who are they and I have no idea what rugby is. That was in 2004. So I said, OK, so why not? Then I found myself in the middle between 12 internationals, most of them working in the British embassy and a few of them French working for the Total Petroleum Company.
44:27That team formed in Damascus in 2004 was called the Zenobians, named after a Syrian queen who ruled the country in the third century. Before their formation, the sport had no real presence in Syria and Mohamed wasn't really sure what to expect when he started playing. I was watching the rugby and see the hacker of the All Blacks and see what game is this? It looks like a violent game but then when I started playing the whole my mind changed completely through the discipline respect to the referee and the way that they have do at the end of the game when they just gathered and shaking hands saying a good regards to the next team who just lost I said this is the game that I would love to continue on playing.
45:10The Zenobians played a version of rugby union called Sevens, a smaller and quicker format than the usual 15-a-side game. Each year they would make an annual pilgrimage to the Dubai Sevens tournament, playing in the Gulfmen's Open division. Dubai Sevens is one of the major tournaments of Sevens in the world. It's a festival of rugby with competitions ranging from international level to amateur. The crowd is completely full. They have like seven stadiums or eight stadiums running around and playing rugby for all the sections. In 2008, Mohamed's team reached the final of the tournament, a feat which grew the awareness of the game in Syria and encouraged more Syrians to take part in the sport.
45:54But in 2011, it looked as though it might become impossible to play rugby or do anything normal in Syria.
46:05Hello, a very good evening and welcome to BBC News. At least 70 people have been killed and many more injured in a day of violent protests against the government in Syria. Opposition activists and human rights groups say it's the highest death toll there in a single day since the demonstrations began five weeks ago. Forces loyal to President Assad are said to have opened fire on protesters in the capital of Damascus and in the cities of Homs and Hama when crowds gathered after Friday prayers. As protests against the Assad government were met with violent crackdowns by the authorities, the international players on the Zenobians began to make their plans to leave Syria.
46:41Well, actually the situation was completely, you know, difficult to understand. What is going on? What is the future? First, the internationals, they haven't left the country at once. they just told us and informed us that this is going to be happening like end of May or end of June and we started to gather and speak loudly and see what is the best scenario for the team to continue. All of us we agreed to participate in Dubai Sevens. So for the first time since their formation in 2004 the Damascus Zenobians sent a team of all Syrians to the Dubai Sevens tournament and Mohamed wasn't just going there to have a good time.
47:27He wanted to win. If we get a chance to be at the final of our, you know, Gelfman Open, which is our section, then we'll have an opportunity to change and comfort the whole situation for us to be having the game and have the stability of the game. Mohamed and his teammates made it through the group stage, then the quarterfinals, the semifinals and... Then the final. The final was against Muscat from Oman. The game was completely stressed for us in the beginning. We couldn't control the game in the first. They scored us first because they were using the key players to score the tries. The big body, actually, the props, they were playing in good positions.
48:13And then when we just understood how would we go, where's the gaps, and we used the gaps very, very well. in the first half we scored the draw and then we scored the second and the second half we go through to score the third and the fourth and then the whole, you know, the business of our emotions was going high like a hell and we were celebrating even before the last 30 seconds and we knew that the game is ours and we will win And with so much turmoil back at home they were going to enjoy it Each player was given a small crystal trophy to celebrate their victory. I remember one of the players was showing the crystal to every single person.
48:57Even at the airplane in the way back he was showing the ladies, see I'm a champion and this is ours, we are the champions. It was a lot of fun in that days. Mohamed was sent a letter by World Rugby, the sports governing body, congratulating the team on their achievements. He used this to convince the Syrian Sports Federation to recognise rugby as an official sport in the country, which led to the formation of the Syrian High Rugby Committee. But as the protests in Syria developed into a full-blown civil war in 2012, trying to play the game became a massive challenge. It was so tough, very difficult.
49:36In order to run a training session, just a training session in bad days, was very, very difficult. because first you have to check the Facebook pages who were just spreading the news more trusted than the media news to understand what is the situation. Is there any bombing into our field that we are planning to go through? That's the first. Secondly, I have to make sure that all the players are in safe before we go ahead and give the final green light. That was so difficult. I remember those days. Mohamed, however, wasn't deterred. At the end of 2014, he reached out to Asia Rugby to get recognition for Syria.
50:20And in May 2015, they were given membership of the organisation. My plan was to participate in international tournament on Asia Rugby Cup. And then once we just finished, return back in Syria and make these players like a good example to follow. I just tried to format a team, a Syrian national team, who participated in India and Chennai in 2016. This team, we have had mostly of them from universities. So once we just returned back, I asked those players to be representing Syria rugby in their universities and start to establish their teams. Within two months, five universities had formed teams and the first sevens tournament was played in Damascus in 2016.
51:06Since then, the game has continued to grow, despite the civil war in Syria not ending until the fall of the Assad regime in December 2024. By 2018, four clubs had a full 15-a-side rugby union team, and women's teams had also been formed, and the country now competes in sevens tournaments in Asia and the Middle East. How proud are you to see how the game of rugby has grown in Syria, especially in such difficult circumstances? I don't know if I can say that I'm proud, but I understand that I have to do my best and keep doing my best up to the end. I dreamed when I was just starting to play rugby in the beginning to wear the Syrian national team jersey and play for the Syrian rugby team.
51:54And I have done this dream now. Rugby in a time of conflict. Mohamed Jaku was speaking to Timo Calhan, this week's sporting witness. and I'll just draw your attention to our ever-growing collection of first-hand sports stories. We've a bit of history from pretty much every sport you can think of. Just search for Sporting Witness wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Finally this week, we're going to hear how, in 1991, a discovery from the past gave us a new insight into human evolution. This is the remarkable story of a 5 ,000-year-old mummy found frozen and perfectly preserved by hikers in Europe's Ötzaal Alps.
52:36Here's Hunter Charlton explaining why the Iceman first proved to be a complete mystery.
52:54That's Dr. Rainer Henn, a forensic pathologist kneeling down to examine the corpse's open mouth. I can only say he's definitely dead. He has been lying here for a long time, probably in the water and a very long time in the ice. Since the body was spotted, rumours began to swirl around its identity. Could it be a missing climber or a soldier from the Second World War? We can only make further determinations once we are in sight. That is, in forensic medicine, was necessary tools and instruments to determine the age, gender, and if we're lucky, also the identity. However, keeping his thoughts private, it began to dawn on Reiner that the body was different from others he'd previously encountered.
53:46Speaking to the BBC the following year, he explained what caught his eye. When I first saw this body, this body was a little bit strange for me because it was not a typical body from the glacier. Usually it's changed in adiposea and this body was completely mummified. That means the body was dried and when it was completely dried then it was covered with snow and ice. In most cases when a body decomposes, The flesh turns into a white waxy substance called adiposea. But when this person died, their flesh had dried out and then frozen. It had mummified. And Rainer was about to get another big clue.
54:29There was something strange about it. Later on, we found a knife which was made of wood and stone. And so I got the idea this body must be very, very old.
54:45As Rayner and the mountain rescue team began excavating the body, they found artefacts littered around the gravesite including a copper axe, arrowheads, clothes and an ornamental marble bead. Rayner's primary concern was to get the body back to his institute for examination. It was flown off the glacier and taken 150 kilometres to Innsbruck, where the archaeologist Konrad Spindler was summoned to examine the remains. After spending just a few minutes with the body and artefacts, he called a press briefing.
55:22When I first saw the body, along with the accompanying artefacts at 8 o 'clock this morning, it was immediately clear that it was a prehistoric find. These items are so typical of the early Bronze Age that there can be no doubt about the age being 2000 BC, 4000 years ago. Amid flashing cameras and the stunned silence of reporters, Konrad composed himself and then continued. The combination of metal tools and stone tools indicates that we are in a transitional phase from the Stone Age to the Bronze Age. During this time, humans still use stone artefacts such as this small delicate dagger blade, as well as the stone tool he possesses in his sheaf.
56:16However, the first metal objects also began to appear. This axe here is an excellent representative of its kind and poses no dating problems for the archaeologist. That is what makes this find so extraordinary. There are finds of human bodies that have been mummified in dry desert sand, but a corpse from an alpine glacier from this period has not yet been recovered. If it were just the human alone, it would already be of great scientific significance. In this case, however, thanks to the meticulous findings of Professor Henn, there is equipment that is unique in its kind.
57:06But the journalist's question soon turned to why and how the person had died where they did. So there's a certain possibility that he was hunting. A second possibility is that he was working as a prospector. With rich deposits of copper across the Alps, Conrad thought they might be searching for an ore outcrop. But he had other theories too. Of course, one can also think of more mundane possibilities, such as him simply crossing the mountain to visit his girlfriend in the neighbouring valley. Whether he was hunting, prospecting or simply looking for his girlfriend, what they could all agree on was the exceptional nature of the find.
57:52You know, scientists don't like to use words like a momentous discovery or find of the century or other such terms. Using superlatives, however, in this case, it truly seems justified that even the dry scientist gets a little excited and allows himself to be carried away by words that aren't normally part of his vocabulary. But there was no time to celebrate. Conrad had a problem. The body had thawed, fungal spores had developed on its surface, It was decomposing rapidly. We will probably have to seek advice from our Soviet colleagues who have already gained some experience in preserving frozen bodies from Siberia.
58:42The second step will be the scientific analysis. A programme will need to be designed for this as well. Part of the scientific investigation will concern the body itself. This means that all anatomical, forensic, histological, serological, cytological, bacteriological and other examinations, including the determination of stomach contents, will need to be conducted.
59:17With all the excitement and avenues of research, Conrad was also getting swept up in the frenzy of it all. In the 1997 BBC documentary, Ice Mummies, he reflected... It was only later, when I had a few minutes of quiet, that the thought came to me that this perhaps is what my colleague Howard Carter experienced when he opened the sarcophagus of Tutankhamun and looked into the face of the pharaoh. Perhaps what I experienced was similar to what he felt at the time. Placing the corpse in a sub-zero environment, scientists halted its decomposition. They examined the pelvic bones and determined his gender was male.
1:00:00They nicknamed him Ötzi, after the Ötztel region he was found in. And carbon dating would later confirm he was 5 ,300 years old, making Ötzi the world's oldest frozen person. But, as Spindler explained, countless mysteries remained. In my opinion, research on the man in ice will never end because science is developing new methods. There are new research approaches and colleagues in 10, 20 or 50 years will still have plenty to research on the Iceman.
1:00:39And indeed, ten years later, in 2001, they did make an enormous discovery. The true cause of Ötzi's death was blood loss. He'd been struck by an arrow in his left shoulder. The archaeologist Conrad Spindler and forensic pathologist Rainer Henn were talking to the BBC and to Austria's national broadcaster, Österreichische Rundfunk. Hunter Charlton told their story in that Embra production for the BBC World Service. And that's it for this edition of the History Hour. We'll have more for you next week. So until then, this is Max Pearson from all of us here. Thanks for listening. Goodbye. Sporting Witness takes you to the events that have shaped the sports world through the eyes of the people who were there.
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From the publisher
Max Pearson presents a collection of the week's Witness History interviews from the BBC World Service.
We travel back to Chile in 2006 where more than 600,000 schoolchildren are marching through the streets to protest about their schools. The nationwide demonstrations will become known as the "Penguin Revolution".
Our guest Dr Laura Tisdall, a historian from Newcastle University, explains why this isn’t the first time children have challenged authority.
And we examine another protest in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, in 1979 which became a seminal moment in the country’s transition to democracy.
Plus, one of the most defining moments of World War Two – the liberation of Auschwitz, the Nazis’ largest death camp in 1945.
And the remarkable story of the 5,000-year-old mummy found frozen and perfectly preserved in Europe’s Ötzal Alps in 1991.
In sport, we explore the inspiring story of how rugby union came to thrive in Syria - despite mass protests and violent government crackdowns during 2011...
Finally, we celebrate 100 years since a technological breakthrough that would change the world. The start of television.
Contributors:
Karina Delfino – one of the leaders of the Penguin Revolution.
Dr Laura Tisdall - lecturer in Modern British History, Newcastle University.
Yao Chia-wen – protester in the Kaohsiung Incident.
General Vasily Petrenko – Soviet army commander who helped liberate Auschwitz.
Konrad Spindler – archaeologist.
Rainer Henn - forensic pathologist.
Mohamad Jarkou – Syrian rugby union player.
Iain Logie Baird – grandson of John Logie Baird, the inventor of television.
(Photo: High school students in Santiago, 2006. Credit: Claudio Pozo/AFP via Getty Images)
