Creating Mr Men and the Austrian wine scandal

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The History Hour: Creating Mr. Men and the Austrian Wine Scandal

Podcast Overview Host: Max Pearson Description: A collection of Witness History and Sporting Witness episodes from the BBC World Service.

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Episode Highlights

  1. The Creation of Mr. Men
  2. Guest: Adam Hargreaves (son of Roger Hargreaves)
  3. Key Discussion:
  4. The inspiration for Mr. Men came from a simple question by eight-year-old Adam: “What does a tickle look like?”
  5. Roger Hargreaves, a British author, started drawing characters like Mr. Tickle based on personified human traits.
  6. The first six books were released in August 1971 and became a global phenomenon.
  • Important Concepts:
  • Character Development: Characters reflect human emotions and traits, aiming to teach children through humor and simple stories.
  • Cultural Impact: The series expanded into merchandise, TV shows, and further character creation (Little Miss series).
  • Legacy:
  • Over 120 million copies sold worldwide and adaptations in various media continue to expand the universe of Mr. Men.
  1. The History of Children's Literature
  2. Guest: Professor Nina Christensen
  3. Key Discussion:
  4. The emergence of children's literature in Europe, tracing its roots to the 16th century with the printing press.
  5. The influence of Enlightenment thinking on children's literature, emphasizing the need to educate and mold character through reading.
  • Important Concepts:
  • Transnational Influence: Books traveled across countries, contributing to a global canon of children's literature.
  • Media Transformation: The adaptation of stories into various formats (books, games, etc.) reflects a long-standing trend in children's literature.
  1. Jugroom Fort Rescue Mission
  2. Guest: Captain Chris Fraser-Perry
  3. Key Discussion:
  4. A firsthand account of a daring military rescue operation during the Afghanistan conflict in 2007.
  5. Captured the emotions and decisions faced by soldiers in high-stakes situations, including the loss of a comrade.
  • Important Concepts:
  • Military Brotherhood: The strong bonds formed among soldiers during combat and the emotional weight of loss.
  • Heroic Actions: The willingness to risk one’s life to save a fellow soldier, showcasing the courage required in military operations.
  1. The Mariel Boatlift (1980)
  2. Guest: Mirta Ojito
  3. Key Discussion:
  4. A migration crisis where thousands of Cubans fled to the US, spurred by government announcements following a diplomatic incident.
  5. Personal stories of those who sought freedom and the challenges faced during the journey.
  • Important Concepts:
  • Political Context: The implications of US-Cuba relations and the impact on Cuban-American communities.
  • Identity and Belonging: Reflections on leaving home and the struggle between loyalty to one’s country and the desire for freedom.
  1. The Austrian Wine Scandal (1985)
  2. Guest: Heidi Schruck
  3. Key Discussion:
  4. A crisis in Austria's wine industry where antifreeze was discovered in wines, leading to a public outcry and damaged reputation.
  5. Reactions from the wine industry and the resulting reforms aimed at restoring trust.
  • Important Concepts:
  • Regulatory Changes: Stricter laws on wine production and labeling were introduced to prevent future scandals.
  • Resilience of Culture: The scandal ultimately led to improvements in quality and reputation for Austrian wines.
  1. Sporting Witness: Skiing Siblings Janica and Ivica Kostelic
  2. Key Discussion:
  3. The journey of Janica and Ivica Kostelic, who became the first sister-brother duo to win World Cup Alpine Ski races on the same day.
  4. Their shared experiences and dedication to the sport, highlighting the importance of family support in athletic success.
  • Important Concepts:
  • Sibling Dynamics in Sports: The unique bond and competitive spirit that drove their achievements.
  • Cultural Significance: Their accomplishments placed Croatia on the map in international skiing.

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Key Takeaways

  • The episode showcases diverse stories, from the whimsical creation of beloved children's characters to stark historical events that shaped nations.
  • Themes of courage, family bonds, and resilience are prevalent throughout the narratives.
  • Understanding the impact of cultural products like children's literature and the significance of historical events fosters a greater appreciation for contemporary society.

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Conclusion This edition of *The History Hour* provides a rich tapestry of stories that not only entertain but educate listeners on important historical contexts and cultural dynamics. Each segment underscores the intricate connections between personal experiences and broader historical phenomena.

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Daring Military Missions

0:45 to 2:18

Discussion on significant military missions and their impact.

“I left the office with tears in my eyes.”

The Birth of Mr. Men

2:18 to 2:56

Exploring the origins of the Mr. Men series and its creator.

“Bump were introduced into the world of children's fiction.”

Creating Unique Characters

2:56 to 5:48

Details on how Roger Hargreaves conceptualized and created characters.

“During the week, you'll find Roger Hargreaves writing adverts for everything from chocolate to cars.”

From Books to TV

5:48 to 7:40

The transition of Mr. Men from books to television and its success.

“In August 1971, the first six titles came out.”

Legacy of Mr. Men

7:40 to 10:11

The enduring legacy of Mr. Men and its expansion under Adam Hargreaves.

“the Mr Men leapt from page to television, complete with their own catchy theme tune.”

Children's Literature Evolution

10:11 to 14:03

Discussion on the history and evolution of children's literature.

“I think he really epitomises my dad's sense of humour.”

Transnational Children's Literature

14:03 to 15:00

Explore the global influences on children's literature and its evolution.

“In many cultures where the history of printed books for children has a shorter history, so to speak.”

The Evolution of Characters Across Media

15:00 to 15:28

Learn how children's characters transitioned across different media formats.

“It's also very much a transmedial phenomenon.”

The Audacious Rescue Mission

15:35 to 18:35

Dive into the dramatic account of a rescue operation in Afghanistan.

“It involves a young British Royal Marines commando, Captain Chris Fraser Perry.”

Facing the Reality of War

18:35 to 23:22

Experience the emotional turmoil during a critical military operation.

“It's so hard to explain and describe the gut-sinking feeling of one of your friends is missing inside an enemy fort.”
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Recognition of Bravery

23:22 to 24:05

Hear about the commendation for bravery following a rescue attempt.

“He slowly lands and then sort of banks to the side and it does gently lay Matthew down, as gently as a helicopter can do.”

Cuba's 1980 Migration Crisis

24:42 to 28:00

Discover the events surrounding the mass exodus of Cubans in 1980.

“The Austrian wine scandal of 1985 And the controversial visit to Cuba By the former US President Jimmy Carter In 2002 Castro did not get up to give his rebuttal.”

The Ojitos' Departure

28:00 to 29:09

Learn about the Ojitos family's difficult decision to leave Cuba and the community's farewell.

“The government branded anyone who wanted to go as scum or worms, and its revolutionary defence committees harassed them.”

Life in the Camp

29:10 to 30:28

Discover the harsh conditions the Ojitos faced while waiting for their uncle's boat in the camp.

“I remember particularly that the rice was green and the bathrooms were just really horrifying.”

Journey to Freedom

30:29 to 31:40

Follow the Ojitos' emotional journey aboard the Valley Chief towards the United States.

“and my father said, what do you want that for?”

Arriving in America

31:41 to 32:48

Experience the Ojitos' arrival in the U.S. and the mixed emotions they felt upon landing.

“I don't even know how I got out of that boat.”

Public Perception of Cuban Refugees

32:49 to 34:32

Explore how the public perception of Cuban refugees shifted as more arrived in the U.S.

“He felt he was already living on borrowed time.”

Jimmy Carter's Visit to Cuba

34:33 to 35:38

Learn about Jimmy Carter's historic visit to Cuba and its implications for U.S.-Cuban relations.

“at the funeral of Canada's former Prime Minister, Pierre Trudeau.”

Carter and Castro: A Meeting of Minds

35:39 to 36:58

Discover the dynamics of the meeting between President Carter and Fidel Castro during the visit.

“Jennifer planned for the speech to be the highlight of a six-day visit.”

The Speech and its Significance

36:59 to 38:40

Understand the significance of Carter's speech in Cuba and its unprecedented content.

“He is not remembering what he has said already or what we're trying to talk about.”

Reception and Aftermath

38:41 to 40:16

Examine the reactions to Carter's speech and its impact on U.S.-Cuban relations.

“In the speech, President Carter had two main points, that the relationship between these two countries, you know, had been unequal.”

The Kostelic Siblings' Journey to Skiing Stardom

42:01 to 43:59

Learn about Janica and Ivica Kostelic's upbringing and early training in skiing.

“and with the Winter Olympics underway in Italy, we're going back just over 20 years, to the achievements of a pair of skiing siblings.”

Sibling Rivalry and Support in Training

44:00 to 46:04

Discover how sibling rivalry fueled Janica and Ivica's competitive spirit.

“If we couldn't, we would just sleep in the forest or sleep in the car.”

Historic Achievements in Alpine Skiing

46:05 to 49:59

Explore the impactful day when both siblings won World Cup races on the same day.

“Janica's results were proving that what we did was working.”

Reflections on a Shared Childhood

50:00 to 51:04

Reflect on the bond and shared experiences that shaped the Kostelic siblings.

“they had won a combined 10 Olympic medals, eight world championship medals, four overall World Cup titles and over 50 World Cup races, cementing their place as the most successful sibling duo in alpine skiing history.”

The Austrian Wine Scandal of 1985

51:17 to 55:53

Learn about the contamination of Austrian wines and its repercussions.

“The country prides itself on its winemaking industry, which has deep roots in its history.”

The Impact of the Wine Scandal on Rust

56:01 to 58:08

Explore how the wine scandal affected the town of Rust and its residents.

“It spawned a comic song, Zum Wohl Gleichol, or Cheers Gleichol.”

Legislative Changes and Industry Response

58:08 to 1:00:06

Learn about the new laws implemented in response to the scandal and industry reactions.

“and lots of the bottles of wine are sold during these summer months when the tourists come and visit Rust and swim in the lake and later take some bottles home.”
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0:00A moment in time captured by what they heard. I heard some people making phone calls. OK, which runway would you like at Teterboro? We're going to get that. What they saw. I put my head down. I saw the movie of my life. It started going through my head. What they smelt. I still remember the smell of the French fish. And I completely lost my appetite. Moments captured which last for a lifetime. Scientists have made the atomic bomb. That sort of flash set on fire the birds, and they all fell down without their feathers on. The way was clear for Hitler to realize all his demonic plans. Stories from people with first-hand accounts of events that have shaped our world.

0:42At the end, Kissinger called me into his office and he said he did a good job. I left the office with tears in my eyes. She called me and told me, I'm doing Studio 54. She had already become a star in Paris. She came back a superstar. Listen now. Search for Witness History wherever you get your BBC podcasts.

1:10Hello and welcome to the History Hour from the BBC World Service with me, Max Pearson, featuring interviews from Witness History and sporting witness on the BBC World Service. This week, one of the most daring military missions of the Afghan conflict in the early 2000s. When it eventually landed and touched down, you couldn't actually see anything. You're just surrounded by dust and dirt. And if I was a Taliban fighter or enemy fighter, I'd be shooting at that dust cloud. Also, we've got a couple of stories from Cuba's past. The controversial visit to the communist state by the former US President Jimmy Carter in 2002 and the mass exodus of Cubans to the US in 1980.

1:5022 ,000 have come so far in 700 boats shepherded by the US Coast Guard to landfall at Key West. Smaller pleasure boats have been just as crowded and at even greater risk to the fleeing Cubans. Plus, Austria's poisoned wine scandal. The first thing was a shock and people thought, wow, what is happening? The people of Rust felt really upset. But first, let's take a step back from conflict and controversy. In the 1970s, a cast of characters with names like Mr. Tickle, Mr. Happy and Mr. Bump were introduced into the world of children's fiction. The Mr Men, and later Little Miss, is a British series of books created by the English author Roger Hargreaves, which became a global success.

2:36Megan Jones has been to meet Roger's son, Adam, whose own curiosity inspired the very first character. I think my dad's main thought and ambition was just to make young children giggle. They're all about humour and turning the real world upside down. It's 1971, and we're in Surrey, a county in the south-east of England. During the week, you'll find Roger Hargreaves writing adverts for everything from chocolate to cars. When I was young, he was working in London and commuting up to London, so I didn't see him in the week at all. I was in bed by the time he got home. But his ambitions were bigger than advertising.

3:14He was always having ideas, creative ideas, and he was ambitious creatively. I think his greatest ambition was to be a strip cartoonist. His great hero was Charles Schulz. That's the creator of Peanuts with Charlie Brown and Snoopy. Today, Roger's at home and things are about to take a different turn, beginning with a simple question from his then eight-year-old son Adam at breakfast. What does a tickle look like? We all know the feeling, whether you call it a chatouille in French, guggudi in Hindi, yang yang in Mandarin, cosquias in Spanish or dagdaga in Arabic. It's that moment when someone touches a sensitive spot, maybe the soles of your feet, and you start laughing.

3:59For Roger, something about a tickle sparked an idea. I think he suddenly realised that, yes, you could personify human traits, emotions, characteristics, and then turn them into a character. He picks up one of his many pens and starts drawing. My dad, I have to admit, worked pretty much on his own. He was not a great one for showing the family what he was doing as he created it. It was more a point of we'd see it after it was finished. He always used magic markers to colour in the picture, so there was always that sort of chemical smell that the pens gave off. On the paper in front of him, an orange character starts to appear with a round body, long stretchy arms and a blue bowler hat.

4:48It's Mr Tickle. all he needs now is a story. They're short and quite simple stories. My dad would design them quite specifically as short stories because he was, I think, fed up with reading the likes of Beatrice Potter and Thomas the Tank because they're quite long stories. There is a kind of a discovery side to it in terms of finding out what humans are. There's a certain, certainly with some of them, a lesson to be learnt. He puts together a rough version of the book. So this is essentially a Mr Men book drawn on card, or very thick paper because pens he used at the time bled through. So he printed on a card and he taped it up with a sort of gaffer tape on the spine.

5:29And this was the original story. He takes his mock-up to publisher after publisher. None are interested and it seems Mr Tickle may never leave Roger's house. That is, until Roger goes for lunch with an old friend Jack Thurman, a printer who had just set up a publishing company. Jack said, well, if you write them all, then I'll publish them. And he did. In August 1971, the first six titles came out. There was Mr Tickle. Tickles are small and round and they have arms that stretch and stretch and stretch. Extraordinarily long arms. Then came his friends. And to introduce them, I've asked for a little bit of help from my nieces and nephews.

6:09Mr Greedy. Mr Greedy liked to eat. In fact, Mr Greedy loved to eat. and the more he ate, the fatter he became. Mr Happy! On the other side of the world, where the sun shines hotter than here and where the trees are 100 feet tall, there's a country called Happyland. Mr Nosey! Mr Nosey liked to know about everything that was going on. He was always poking his nose into other people's business. Mr Sneeze Every morning Mr Sneeze woke up, sneezed, achoo Got up, sneezed, achoo Got dressed, sneezed, achoo Went downstairs, sneezed, achoo Ate his breakfast, sneezed, achoo And went to work, still sneezing Mr Bump If there was something for Mr Bump to bump into He would bump into it alright Right.

7:12Those first six were only the beginning. It's wonderful to see the inside of somebody's imagination. I mean, that's really kind of what comes out of the Mr Men books. It's my dad's imagination in full flow. As the books took off, Roger kept adding more characters, drawing them during his lunch breaks. I've got a plaque on the wall, which was given to my dad, and that was to commemorate a million books sold. It was a very fast success. In 1974, the Mr Men leapt from page to television, complete with their own catchy theme tune.

7:48It's a genius bit of music making. It's so iconic and so obviously the Mr Men now, everybody recognises it. The series was narrated by English actor Arthur Lowe, known from the British sitcom Dad's Army. This story starts with Mr Lazer being fast asleep in bed. In Sleepyland they call that being slow asleep. He spends rather a lot of time in bed. It's his favourite place to be in. The BBC series then really escalated the success of it and the merchandising agent was able to create an enormous amount of product. There were toys, jigsaws, clothing. There were Mr Men mugs in the cupboard and all that sort of thing.

8:29He was terribly proud of all of that. The success meant Roger could finally stop juggling the characters with his advertising job. I think that was a lot of what drove his ambition to create something for himself was that he was looking to not have to commute to London every morning. By the late 1970s, the Mr Men songs were released on BBC Records, composed by Joe Campbell. Let's go to Mr Land, the land of magic Come on and sing Then the Mr Men got some more friends. My father did finally catch up with the female side of the population and he created the Little Miss characters. The first ones released in 1981 included...

9:09A little Miss Naughty and a little Miss Bossy. Little Miss Sunshine, Little Miss Trouble and Little Miss Helpful. But in 1988, everything changed. The man who invented the Mr Men has died. Roger Hargreaves drew the first blob-like Mr Man 17 years ago. Roger was 53. At the time, Adam was working in farming. But at just 25, he stepped in to run the family business. It's a strange thing. At the time, I didn't think too hard about it. But looking back on it, I think it was strangely cathartic. Even though I was sitting at my dad's desk and in his office, it gave me something to concentrate on. It took a little time before Adam began drawing, but in 2003, he released his first characters.

9:57I created three Mr Men and three Little Miss. Today, the Mr Men and Little Miss books have sold more than 120 million copies, been translated into over 15 languages and there are now over 90 characters. So, does Adam have a favourite? My favourite character is Mr Silly. I think he really epitomises my dad's sense of humour. I always imagined that that was my dad's favourite character. And I also love the story, I think the story is genius, it's really funny. 55 years after Roger Hargreaves drew that first orange circle with long arms, the world he created is still expanding. with a new TV series and film coming out.

10:36The question is, what would he have thought of it all? Oh, he'd be incredibly chuffed. I've been really excited to have Mr Man up on the big screen in the cinema. He would have been very, very happy to have seen that and it's a terrible shame that he can't. Adam Hargreaves was speaking to Megan Jones. Professor Nina Christensen is the head of the Centre for Children's Literature and Media at Aarhus University in Denmark. Mark, let's look at the history of literature specifically aimed at children. When did the first sort of texts that were aimed at children emerge? Well, it depends very much on where in the world we are talking about.

11:12If you are in a European context, then the first printed text appeared in the 16th century with the printing press because ABCs and primers were a huge part of publications then. And you also have a lot of religious texts from that period. But if you're talking about fiction for children in the modern sense, Then we have to move on to the 18th century, if you speak from a European context. Scandinavia has a particular connection to the history of children's literature. So when children's literature emerged on the Danish market, it was also under the influence of French Enlightenment thinking and Rousseau's ideas about the child being an individual in itself that deserved special attention and with special qualities.

11:55And then, of course, this child should have a literature. From around 1750 in Germany and in Denmark and in England as well, we saw an emerging market for fiction for children. Really an emerging market because surely literature has to depend on rates of literacy. Was there enough childhood literacy in those days for there to be an actual market for children's literature? From the mid-18th century, most children could read and should be able to read in order to become citizens. So there was across Europe this movement influenced by Enlightenment thinking, where the education of children was very important to decision makers.

12:36If you want to educate citizens, of course you need also material to do so. If you want schools, you also need to have publications to use in schools. So there was this increase in the publication of fiction and fact books for children from the 1750s onwards. If children's literacy was of interest to decision makers, was also what they were reading of interest? Were children, if you like, moulded actively by what they were not forced to, but encouraged to read? Well, this was exactly the idea that fiction could be used to kind of mold, as you say, your character. So in many prefaces to children's books from that period, you can see that the ambition was to educate children's hearts and minds.

13:21And the basic idea, of course, being that if you have a character, that character would have certain characteristics and incarnate certain vices or virtues. So the idea was that the child would take inspiration, the reading child would take inspiration from that character and try to copy or avoid copying the actions of that character. Because, of course, virtuous actions would lead to a good life. And if you didn't adhere to the virtues and behave very badly, your life would not be very good. And I think that idea of fiction as a part of character development is still alive in children's literature today.

13:56I think that is a global aspect, and that goes when children's texts are transmitted orally. In many cultures where the history of printed books for children has a shorter history, so to speak. And was the advent of children's literature really a European phenomenon? Texts and books traveled a lot. So you see that text from Germany traveled to France, and back you see text traveling to what is now the United States. Catherine the Great in Russia wrote children's texts, traveled to India. to China and all these transnational movements. That was something that authors and publishers were proud of.

14:34There is a strong international canon of children's literature today with some of the books that were published in the 19th century, Alice in Wonderland, Wind in the Willows, Hans Christian Andersen's Fairy Tales. And then we see traditions from Asia, travel to Europe through manga comics, through Japanese animated movies that are present in a Western context. So I think we see that children's literature today is transnational. It's also very much a transmedial phenomenon. There we also have a connection to the 18th century because, for instance, one of the very popular books in the 18th century was Robinson Crusoe in versions for children.

15:12And at that time, you would also have Robinson Crusoe, the book, and Robinson Crusoe, the board game. So this idea that characters move across media was something that is a strong tendency in children's text and media. But it is, of course, also something that we see today. That's Professor Nina Christensen, head of the Centre for Children's Literature and Media at Aarhus University in Denmark. Next, we've got a first-hand account of a remarkable military mission from the war in Afghanistan. It involves a young British Royal Marines commando, Captain Chris Fraser Perry. What he and his comrades did has become legendary in military circles.

15:49He told his story to Kevin Corr. Six magazines, two high-explosive grenades, two smoke grenades, a bandolier of like an extra 150 rounds, because worst-case scenario, you'd be fighting your way out of there on your own.

16:09Royal Marines Commando Captain Chris Fraser-Perry is ready for battle. In 2007, Chris volunteered to take part in what historians call one of the most audacious rescue attempts in modern military history, clinging on to the side of a helicopter as it flew into a Taliban fort in Afghanistan to rescue a comrade. He was a teenager. One thing I sort of reflect on now is there probably wasn't many 17, 18-year-old kids, especially at that time, who'd written a will. The worst thing I've ever done, I've only ever done it once is having to write the what-if letter at 18 years old and it's a letter to your family if you get killed and then that gets passed to your mum and dad and that was still probably one of the worst things I've ever done having to write that letter because you're writing it almost third person in reflection of what you want to tell your mum and dad Chris is a member of Zulu Company one of four fighting units of the British Royal Marines He was part of the NATO coalition tasked with disrupting Taliban operations in Helmand province, Afghanistan.

17:19The American president, George W. Bush, had accused the Taliban of harbouring the terrorists responsible for the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Centre, so the stakes were high. And as Chris remembers, the fighting was fierce. There was often times where we didn't get resupplies because it was too kinetic where we were. It was very, very like austere conditions. So it was a really, really tight-knit company. I'd been speaking to Fordy about mortgages. I don't know, I'll always remember that. One minute, getting life tips off one of the senior marines in the company and then fast forward a few hours and you're the one who's going back to rescue him.

18:01Fordy is Lance Corporal Matthew Ford. Back at base, Chris hears that a big attack has gone wrong. The Royal Marines were deep in Taliban territory, attacking a rebel-held fort. His comrades had launched an attack on Jugurin Fort, a major Taliban stronghold. But there were more fighters than expected. There were multiple serious injuries, and in a frantic withdrawal, Fordy was left behind. Missing, likely injured, and at the mercy of the Taliban. It's so hard to explain and describe the gut-sinking feeling of one of your friends is missing inside an enemy fort. Marines were determined by any means necessary to get him back.

18:51Anxious, waiting for news, something happens. His commanding officer has been talking to one of the Apache helicopter pilots, still circling above. The Apache is an attack helicopter. It doesn't take passengers. But the pilot Tom O'Malley has come up with a very bold plan. I remember Colonel McGowan coming out and saying to everyone that was in the command post, this is the plan, we need four volunteers to sit on the side of the Apache and they'll fly back in and rescue Fordy. and I remember because I was one of a few Zulu Company guys there at the time just saying so I'm Zulu Company, I know Fordy I want to be one of the guys that goes back to rescue him and felt like I had to do that because I was Zulu Company Fordy was Zulu Company, it was that close-knit brotherhood of looking after each other I remember going past my corporal at the time and saying my letter is under my pillow, my what if letter and I think that's where it really hit me, like, right, I'm about to sit on a helicopter and fly into a Taliban fort.

20:09Chris is one of four volunteers. They split into pairs and climb, weapons ready, onto the stub wings of the two helicopters and hold on tight. Fordy has been spotted in the fort by a drone and the Taliban are getting closer. The plan is to land, provide cover, attach Fordy to the bottom of the helicopter, jump back on and fly him to safety. They take off and the desert begins to roll by beneath them. I remember seeing the C squadron from the Light Dragoons, which is the scimitar tanks from the army. I remember a guy on top of the tank sort of looking up at the helicopter he looked up, looked away and then snapped his head back as if he'd just realised hang on a minute, is this someone sat on the side there?

21:07and then he saluted he put up a salute given everything that was going on and everything that had happened I remember just laughing to myself thinking this moment is so surreal and then very quickly, like getting face back on, you look forward and back in the zone. I could see all the muzzle flashes coming from the reeds to the south of the fort and that's loosely the area that I knew we were going to land in. We knew 40 was there. What am I going to land into? Am I going to instantly land under contact with the enemy? Normally, if you're underground, that's where you'd fire back. But I couldn't do anything and I just remember feeling the most helpless of that entire tour.

21:55A massive bomb dropped to mask their return has thrown tonnes of grit and dust into the air and it's into this that Chris's Apache flies. I'm right now sat next to a bullet magnet so I jumped off the Apache and just ran forwards. the blades from the helicopter kick up all this loose and fine sand and dirt. It's called a brownout. When it eventually landed and touched down, you couldn't actually see anything. You're just surrounded by dust and dirt. And if I was a Taliban fighter or enemy fighter, I'd be shooting at that dust cloud. I'm coming along the perimeter wall of the fort on my own. I've sort of got the weapon up in my shoulder because clearly, you know, there's a lot of enemy fighters there.

22:40just coming along, coming along. And then I can see in the near distance, sort of Fordy lying. And it's very clear to me he wasn't unfortunately with us at that point. And it's quickly very, very obvious that he was instantly killed. They secure Matthew Ford's body to the bottom of the helicopter. The Apaches flew back to where the company was, knowing that this news was about to come to the company. It sort of stays with me, just how the lads probably still have that image in their minds. The Apache coming towards them with Fordy sort of slung beneath it. He slowly lands and then sort of banks to the side and it does gently lay Matthew down, as gently as a helicopter can do.

23:38Some months later, I received a letter from Colonel Rob McGowan at the time, and I've got it with me, and I'll read it out, and he said, How delighted I was to see your name on the Joint Commander's commendation list yesterday. Formal recognition for an act of extreme bravery in the face of the enemy to rescue a fallen man. I am very proud of what you did that day. Many congratulations. Yours ever, Rob McGowan. The volunteers of the Jugroom Fort rescue could not save their comrade, but Matthew Ford's mum, Joan Ford, said that one small consolation was the return of his body, so she can visit his grave.

24:25Captain Chris Fraser-Perry We're speaking to Kevin Kohl And you can hear the full story Of that 2007 military operation in Afghanistan In the 10-part BBC podcast series The Fort You can find it on the BBC website Or wherever you get your podcasts Still to come The Austrian wine scandal of 1985 And the controversial visit to Cuba By the former US President Jimmy Carter In 2002 Castro did not get up to give his rebuttal. Instead, he just came up, shook President Carter's hand, congratulated him on a speech and said, so we go watch a ball game. And we're going to continue in Cuba for our next story.

25:04Ever since the revolution which brought Fidel Castro to power, the country's communist government had placed tight restrictions on emigration. But in 1980, thousands of Cubans scrambled to board boats at the port of Mariel, west of the capital Havana, for a new life in the United States. In 2011, Simon Watts spoke to one of those who succeeded. It's now a huge and open-ended migration, with 4 ,000 Cubans making the crossing daily. 22 ,000 have come so far in 700 boats shepherded by the US Coast Guard to landfall at Key West. Smaller pleasure boats have been just as crowded and at even greater risk to the fleeing Cubans.

25:44The Mariel crisis started when five Cubans rammed a bus through the walls of the Peruvian embassy in Havana. After a diplomat agreed to look into their asylum requests, hundreds more people broke into the compound, hoping that they too might be able to leave. My father had a gathering at home with another couple, friends, and I remember them grabbing warm beers from the refrigerator because the lights were out again, and sitting in the balcony, very quietly plotting, should we do this? Should we jump the fence? Should we go to the embassy too? Should we join the crowds? And I remember being terrified of the thought of it.

26:29But that was the first time I heard that there was a way out of Cuba. Mirta Ojito was 16 in 1980. Her parents had always wanted to leave Cuba, but Mirta was torn because she had many friends and was a successful student. The turning point came when she was away working on the national harvest. On my 16th birthday, February 10th, I was in the countryside. My parents were very, very late that day. There was no way to get to the countryside from Havana. And eventually they showed up. My father was very frustrated. We ate rather quickly. And they unwrapped the cake that my mother had lovingly made for me.

27:12I don't know how, how she got the ingredients. and then it started to rain. And the wind blew the candles from the cake, and my father was very upset, and he, very out of character for him, hit a tree. And I understood immediately that we needed to get out of Cuba or I was going to lose my father. Fidel Castro responded to the embassy crisis with an unexpected move. He announced that all Cubans who wanted to go were free to do so. Cuban exiles, including Mirta's uncle Osvaldo, headed to Mariel in the flotilla to pick up their relatives. But leaving Cuba would not be straightforward.

28:00The government branded anyone who wanted to go as scum or worms, and its revolutionary defence committees harassed them. On May 7th, the police came to the Ojitos' house to tell them they could leave. They asked the president of the neighborhood committee, why don't you do something for these people? And she said, to her enormous credit, I saw these girls grow up. Nobody's touching them. And so we left our home in the best way possible. Contrary to what those men wanted, our neighbors were incredibly gracious and basically gathered to say goodbye to us as if it were a bridal party, not people who were abandoning the country, as the government liked to say.

28:47The Ojitos were taken to a camp near Mariel Harbour to wait for their uncle's boat, the valley chief. It was a place near the beach, surrounded by barbed wire and guarded by dogs. Clearly it was the kind of place where once you were in there you could not get out. and there were loud speakers droning on through the night and spotlights and there were tents. Of course we didn't sleep. I remember particularly that the rice was green and the bathrooms were just really horrifying. It wasn't just Cubans with connections like the Ojitos in the camp. Fidel Castro's strategy was to use the Mariel crisis to get rid of thousands of criminals and mental patients and dumped them on the United States.

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29:40After a few days in the camp, the Ojitos were finally taken to meet Uncle Osvaldo. It was just an incredibly happy occasion. He was very tanned. He had a white T-shirt that was very dirty. And we were just so anxious to hug him. It was very, very emotional. But when we arrived at the boat, very quickly after us, Lots more people, dozens. In the end, about 230 of us crowded in the Valley Chief, people we didn't know, people who to us looked a little strange. Some didn't have any shoes on. Some clearly were wearing clothes that had been folded for too long, as if they had been in an institution, perhaps an insane asylum, perhaps a prison.

30:28And one asked my father for a nail clipper. and my father said, what do you want that for? And he said, to cut my veins. So there were some clearly disturbed people in that boat and when we were finally told we could leave, the boat weighted down by the weight of so many people would not move. In desperation, Myrta's uncle tried to find another boat to tow them to the United States. He found a Vietnam War veteran called Mike Howell who'd gone to Marielle to try to help out. He was young and strong. I remember that he had a very interesting profile. And there was something strange about his left arm.

31:12It was a fake arm. And we realised that because he got tangled up with some ropes that he was throwing overboard to tie the two boats together, and the arm went in the water. And it was quite a moment. My mother fainted. Mike Howell's boat took the Ojitos to Key West. I ended up coming to the U.S. in a much nicer boat called Mañana. It was a very long journey. It took us 16 hours because we were towing the valley chief until we got to international waters. And I got seasick. I don't even know how I got out of that boat. But the moment I did and I stepped on firm ground, I came back. I was myself again.

31:57And then I thought, oh, my God, where are we? Chickens ran around, dogs, lots of people, small, dilapidated houses. I thought that we were in an island somewhere, not in the United States. But the reception was so warm and people so welcoming. It was just incredibly emotional. As it became obvious that there were thousands of criminals among the Cubans reaching Florida, public opinion changed. The United States tightened its policy and the numbers leaving the island tailed off. Mirta Ojito became a successful journalist and wrote a book about the boat lift called Finding Manana. Its emotional heart is a reunion with the captain of the boat which brought her to America.

32:47He made it his mission to help other people. He felt he was already living on borrowed time. And sadly, he passed away. Simon Watts in 2011. We're staying in Cuba for our next first-hand insight from the past. In May 2002, the former US President Jimmy Carter paid a hugely controversial visit to the country, which by then had been on the receiving end of a US trade embargo for more than 40 years. Jennifer McCoy accompanied Carter on the trip, and she's been speaking to Ben Henderson.

33:25First, he was extremely driven, really, to accomplish his goals, some of the things that he didn't finish during his presidency, driven by his very strong faith. Jimmy Carter was US president from 1977 to 1981. After his presidency, he set up the Carter Center to promote human rights and alleviate suffering around the world. Jennifer McCoy was director of the Carter Center's Americas Programme in 2002. She'd accompany him on trips across the region. Whenever we would travel, President and Mrs. Carter would get up early in the morning with their Secret Service, go on bike rides or on runs in whatever place we were, and the Secret Service would have to keep up with them.

34:13The US had seen Cuba as an enemy since 1959, when Fidel Castro came to power following the Cuban Revolution and established a communist regime allied to the Soviet Union. No sitting or former US president had visited since. Carter tried and failed to improve relations with Cuba during his presidency. But in 2000, he and Castro hit it off when they both served as pallbearers at the funeral of Canada's former Prime Minister, Pierre Trudeau. Castro suggested a visit. Improved relations with the US might lead to welcome sanctions relief. Carter shared the desire to ease sanctions, while he also hoped to encourage Castro to embrace democracy and uphold Cuban civil liberties.

34:54But it wouldn't be straightforward. Many Cuban-Americans had fled Castro's one-party state, in which dissent wasn't tolerated. They'd be furious if Carter cosied up to him. Jennifer was tasked with navigating this diplomatic tightrope. One of President Carter's main goals was to be able to talk directly to the Cuban people. And so we requested a live broadcast of a speech that he wanted to give. He also decided to do it in Spanish so that there wouldn't be any possibility of changing through the interpretation of the speech. I brought in a professor from Georgia State University to work with him on his Spanish because I was a little bit worried about his southern accent.

35:38if that would be intelligible. Jennifer planned for the speech to be the highlight of a six-day visit. Carter would address the Castro government's shortcomings live on TV and radio, something not seen in Cuba for many years. In return, he'd call on the US to lift economic sanctions. But they had to keep the contents of the speech secret for now. Jennifer convinced the Cubans to agree to broadcast the speech without approving it beforehand, a remarkable feat in a country without press freedom. The arrival date was set for the 12th of May, 2002.

36:14On arrival in Havana, the US national anthem is played. Castro turns to Carter and whispers, haven't heard that around here in a long time. At least, that's how it's reported by CNN. The first item on the agenda, food. We had a lovely dinner and then retired to a meeting room with President Carter and President Castro sitting across each other. They're very different personalities, and President Carter is very direct. And so in a conversation, he wants to get through his agenda. But President Castro took off talking about the history of the relationship. At least an hour, he went on like that.

36:53And he would go round and round. And we thought, oh, he is losing it. You know, he's elderly. He is not remembering what he has said already or what we're trying to talk about. But then he would come back to the main point at the end. So we realized, no, he's completely with it. So as the hour was growing late on that night, President Carter just put up his hand and Castro got the message. He said, oh, yes, you know, I don't want to keep you up too late. We'll wrap this up and we'll continue you the next day. With a good night's sleep behind him, Carter embarked on a busy schedule. As he travelled, crowds gathered.

37:33Jennifer says they were always friendly, and Castro appeared to be holding to his pre-trip promises. Carter's visit was widely covered by the Cuban media, and the Americans were given the freedom of the island, even visiting dissidents who'd organised a petition called the Varela Project, which called for democratic elections, individual freedoms, and amnesty for political prisoners. But the acid test would be the speech, in which Carter planned to speak directly to the Cuban people, would Castro really tolerate public criticism?

38:05We arrived at the University of Havana, where the speech was going to be given. We were met by the president of the university. And he mentioned that following President Carter's speech, there would be a Q &A. And, you know, I said, well, oh, that's a surprise. We weren't expecting a Q &A, but there was really nothing we could do. So we walked in and then walks in President Castro and his full cabinet and sat in the front row. And we thought, oh, my goodness, how is he going to react? One, we knew what was in the speech. Castro did not. And two, oh, the Q &A is really meant for President Castro to get up and give a rebuttal.

38:52In the speech, President Carter had two main points, that the relationship between these two countries, you know, had been unequal. The U.S. needed to lift the embargo on Cuba, and Cuba needed to respect its own constitution, which gives the right of people to free speech, free assembly, and for democracy. and the right to petition their government for changes in the laws. And so he mentioned the Varela Project, and then he asked Castro to respect those rights, but that the US should move first as the larger and more powerful country. It was the first time in 43 years that Cubans had heard public criticism of their government.

39:38So I was watching his face and thinking, oh gosh, when he hears this part, you know. But he sat passively, he did not scowl. and after the speech was over and the Q &A and Castro did not get up to give his rebuttal, instead he just came up, shook President Carter's hand, congratulated him on a speech and said, so we go watch a ball game. It was a remarkable moment. Castro, for so long America's nemesis, was willing to tolerate public criticism on his own soil from a former US president. Perhaps the Cuban government really was willing to open up. Castro invited Carter to a Cuban all-star baseball game, and that wasn't all.

40:17I think you're going to be the pitcher, and our foreign minister will be the batter. Castro had asked President Carter to throw out the first ball. He had asked him ahead of time, and President Carter actually practiced with Secret Service, I think on the rooftop of our hotel, making sure it was going to go over the plate. Now, there's a huge stadium, and usually there's Secret Service all around him. But he walked out alone and threw the ball, did a good job. And afterward, Castro thanked him for having the trust in the Cuban people to walk out there alone like that without security. After six days in Cuba, Carter and his team returned home.

41:04The speech made waves across the region, but Carter wasn't able to convince Castro to take concrete steps towards democracy and protecting human rights. We were happy with the trip, a little bit disappointed. There wasn't a breakthrough on things like political prisoners, but happy with the trip. And we briefed President George W. Bush. He did not indicate that he was going to be opening. In fact, he had just made further restrictions on American travel to Cuba. So it really wasn't till later that the fruits of the trip could be born. Former US President Barack Obama took steps to improve relations with Cuba, but the Trump administration reversed that policy.

41:46Jennifer McCoy worked for the Carter Foundation until 2015. She's now Regent Professor of Political Science at Georgia State University. Ben Henderson was speaking to Jennifer McCoy. Next, we've got this week's sporting witness. and with the Winter Olympics underway in Italy, we're going back just over 20 years, to the achievements of a pair of skiing siblings. Croatians Janica and Ivica Kostelic made history by becoming the first sister-brother duo to win Alpine Ski World Cup races on the same day. They told Marta Medveseck about their extraordinary journey from a country where they had limited ski training facilities to the very pinnacle of the alpine sport.

42:30It's the 25th of February 2002 and alpine skier Janica Kostelic has just returned home to Croatia from the Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. Hello everyone. Thank you all for coming in such great numbers. She has just won four Olympic medals, three of them gold, and is now the most successful female Olympic skier of all time. But as she addresses the press, her first words are about her older brother and fellow skier Ivica. The welcome was phenomenal for everyone, and especially for Ivica, who didn't manage to win a medal, but I believe he definitely will at the next Olympics. Aged just two years apart, Ivica explains how he and Janica have shared a close bond since childhood.

43:12We were always together, in training and outside of the training. Growing up in the 1990s, their parents taught them how to ski on a low local mountain in the Croatian capital Zagreb. We would always find a patch of snow, the dirty snow with a lot of mud in it. But we would come very early when the snow was still hard, and that was good for us. With only a handful of modest hills and less than 20 kilometers of snow slopes in the entire country, Croatia is hardly a place made for skiing. To try to make a ski champion with no snow and no money is almost impossible. But not for their coach, their father Ante.

43:46A former handball player and coach, Ante sought to overcome Croatia's limited skiing facilities by taking his children abroad to train for weeks at a time. On these trips, the family were often unable to afford any proper accommodation. We would build shelters from wood, normally far away from people. If we couldn't, we would just sleep in the forest or sleep in the car. While their rivals focused on high-intensity training and time trials, their father employed different methods. He said skiing is a skill. To master a skill, the most important thing is repetition. So when competition did 10 repetitions, we did 30.

44:23We would always be first on the lift and we would be the last ones going out. Even after a whole day of skiing, the siblings would stay outside playing. It was like that world belonged to us. There was great silence on the mountain. And we had time to spend a few hours just playing around these rocks, building shelters. Since we spent so much time with our dad, it was also nice to spend some time without him and just be children. And the only person I could be a kid with was my sister. Janica, the younger sibling, started training a few years after Ivica. At first, reluctantly. Because she was always falling.

45:05What was funny is that that same year when she started skiing seriously, she already started winning. She was such a great talent. Over the years, the two kept supporting and challenging each other in training. I'm a girl, so he didn't like when I came closer to him. And for me, it was fun because I wanted to be faster. I wanted to be closer to the guys. There's a term in the athletics. He was my bunny running in front, and I'm trying to catch him to make a better result. So we helped each other without really realizing how much it means to us. It was natural. But it wasn't just training with her older brother that set Janice up for success.

45:41For Janice, it was always just a game. She's a natural-born champion. Just the way she's thinking is special. It's different. She doesn't worry. By 2003, 20-year-old Janica was sweeping all before her and had already won four Olympic medals. Ivica had endured a frustrating time with injuries, but he too was starting to fulfill his potential by winning a number of World Cup races. Janica's results were proving that what we did was working. And it was a great encouragement for me because we did it together. On the 5th of January 2003, both siblings were in peak form. She was in Bormio and I was in Krańska Gora.

46:19and the whole day is in this diary. See, I write Sunday, 5th of January, a great date. In Borneo, Italy, Janica led the field after the first of her two runs in the slalom. Just an hour later at Krajnska Gora in Slovenia, Ivica was also fastest in his first slalom run. Each skier completes two runs and the one with the fastest combined time wins. A double victory was smiling on us. As he waited in the participant's tent ahead of his second and final run, Ivica attempted to conserve his energy, but he still had half an eye on his sister's second run 150 miles away. Our PR guy was giving us results from Bormio over the radio because he was the only one watching the TV because we had to rest.

47:03Janica easily came home in first place. Janica completely destroyed them. She won with two seconds advantage. Amazing. Ivica knew that if he could close out victory on the bumpy Slovenian slope, he would once again write the Kostelic name into alpine skiing history. I went down very furiously. I was very furious. First part, I skied full gas because the slope was in good condition. And then it was important to go through the ruts in the correct timing. Ivica crossed the finish line and looked up at the clock. He had won by 27 hundredths of a second. In doing so, he and Janica became the first siblings to win World Cup alpine races on the same day.

47:43I did a few push-ups with my skis still on my feet. And all of the crowds went crazy because there were a lot of people from Croatia watching the race on site. The historic day was also Janice's birthday. It was a great, great present from him. I was in the press conference and, you know, we were very emotional. At a press conference, she called me on the phone and all of the people from the media sang happy birthday to you over the phone. Many situations you cannot really describe with words. So it's one of those moments that you just feel and think about it inside. But yeah, it was an amazing day.

48:19Just a month later, the siblings struck again, this time a day apart, both claiming gold at the World Championships in St. Moritz, Switzerland. However, despite all his success, for Iwica there was still one unfulfilled dream, winning an Olympic medal. And then, at Torino 2006, it finally happened. Ivica secured silver in the combined event, and Janica, who picked up two more Olympic medals of her own, was there to celebrate with him as he crossed the line. She was sick at that time. I was really, really sick. Despite the doctors suggesting that she should not go anywhere. I couldn't stand, basically.

48:58She came to the finish. I went to the finish line and... She knew how much this medal meant for me. I know how much he wanted it. Because she was my best friend. Everybody that has a brother or a sister knows what kind of bond you have. Nobody knows me better than my sister. Just overwhelmed with joy. We both cried at that point. And I just remember saying into the camera, this is my sister. Why did you say that? Because I was proud. But you just won a medal. Yeah, but you know, it's also her medal. It was for me the most emotional moment of my entire career. She knew what this meant for me. It was as if she has wished for this medal more than for her own medals.

49:43For me, it's a much bigger achievement than what I did, even though he has silver and I do have gold. But as I know what he put into it, what he went through, it's much bigger than a silver medal. Janica and Ivica trained together for 16 years. By the time they retired from professional skiing, they had won a combined 10 Olympic medals, eight world championship medals, four overall World Cup titles and over 50 World Cup races, cementing their place as the most successful sibling duo in alpine skiing history. While they no longer ski professionally, Ivica and Janica remain very close. Today, each of us has their own family, small kids, different programs, but we are still very well connected.

50:27Looking back, what stands out most is not just their victories, but how they did it all together, through all the ups and downs. From today's perspective, it seems very impossible to me. Maybe it was the product of that time, our bond. Probably today we would be watching our phones. We would never get connected like that. But back then, we were together all the time. So I'm really happy that I lived a childhood like that. Although, you know, it was difficult. I wasn't keen on sleeping outside in the cold. But now when I look back, I think this made us a lot stronger than anything. The fabulous Kostelich siblings Ibiza and Janica were speaking to Marta Medveshek.

51:08And you can keep across all the action from this year's Winter Olympics by following events on the website bbc.com forward slash sport. Finally this week, the Austrian wine scandal. The country prides itself on its winemaking industry, which has deep roots in its history. But in 1985, government scientists discovered that large quantities of fine bottled wine had been contaminated with antifreeze. Nobody died, but the incident proved extremely damaging to the industry's reputation and operations. In 2015, Susan Hume spoke to Heidi Schruck, a young Austrian winemaker at the time of the scandal.

51:47We were sitting in the evening to watch the news and there was this bottle of wine on the TV screen coming closer and closer and the speaker said, we warn you from buying and consuming this wine. First thing was, I thought, was kind of a joke and did not take it serious. But this was no joke. For the Austrian wine industry, a catastrophe. A few months before, an anonymous letter had arrived at the Ministry of Agriculture, alleging that some winemakers had been using more than just grapes to make their wines taste sweeter and more luscious. Government chemists began testing bottles of apparently high-quality wines and discovered diethylene glycol, an industrial chemical used in antifreeze, at high levels of up to 5 grams per litre in some bottles.

52:41It's a very great amount if you think that it is fixed that 0.03 gram per liter are danger for health. 20-year-old Heidi Schreck was working in the wine trade already, helping to promote Austrian wines across the world. I was elected wine queen, which is a kind of representative job for a young woman and she represents the wines of her country. I opened wine festivals, I went to wine fairs. Do you dress up for it? Of course, of course, the traditional Austrian dirndl and I had a little golden crown on my head. While she was promoting Austrian wines, the wine queen had sometimes been surprised at the sweetness and softness of wines available at low prices.

53:35She'd been brought up on the family vineyard in the small village of Rust in Austria's Burgenland. And she knew that fine, sweet, auslays of wines made from the ripest, sweetest grapes could only usually be produced in small quantities. It never was quantity. It always was quality was the highest peak you could get during a vintage. Yeah, and of course those bottles had their price. And when I came to this wine fairs, I saw bottles of Ausleys. I had to pour them and I saw the price and thought, wow, they were rather cheap. And so this was what I was really wondering about. Heidi Schreck was especially surprised because she knew recent harvests had not been good for sweet wines.

54:22It was in 1982, which was very rainy vintage. I remember we started on October 20th. I will always remember because it was very late. And the grapes at that time were kind of ripe, but not really. So everybody was speaking of not a very good harvest. So it was a surprise to find quantities of good tasting wine. Later, yes, it was. She believes some winemakers had agreed in advance to provide large quantities of sweet Austrian wine to Germany and beyond, something no wise winemaker would do. They had their contracts about special qualities each year, and this is with a nature product like wine.

55:06It is impossible to make long-term contracts of a certain quality. You can't do that. I sometimes have from my 10 hectares 10 barrels of Ausbruch and sometimes I have only one barrel. So I never could promise somebody I have certain quantity of that wine every year. By the summer of 1985, the hunt for the culprits was afoot and the political future of the agriculture minister, Gunther Haydn, was on the line.

55:38Our reputation is ruined the world over because criminals have adulterated huge quantities of wine with a substance that's damaging to health. We must complete the investigation and quickly bring the accused to justice. Although no one had died or seems to have become ill from drinking the poisoned wine, Austria's reputation as a wine-producing nation was ruined. But not everyone took the crimes entirely seriously.

56:07It spawned a comic song, Zum Wohl Gleichol, or Cheers Gleichol.

56:16Newspaper columnist Hans Rauscher reckoned in some areas, everyone knew the wine was being doctored. They laughed and they told jokes about their neighbours, but they didn't go to the authorities. Everybody knew, and that's the Austrian attitude. They looked away. No one was laughing about the revelations in the quaint little town of Roost on the banks of the Neu-Ziedlersee lake, where Heidi Schreck's family had their vineyard.

56:46Roost is famous for its stalks nesting on the chimneys and for its fine wines. She says no winemaker there had been involved in doctoring wines with glycol. The first thing was a kind of a shock and people thought, wow, what is happening? The people of Rust felt really upset. It must have seemed very unfair to the people in Rust who weren't involved. Absolutely, it was unfair because it was the name of our town, the name of our region, which was used. Rust had around 480 hectares of vineyards, but a far larger area had been trading on its famous label. Vineyards to the east, where vines had not existed a few years before, had been cashing in with lower quality grapes enhanced with glycol.

57:35Genuine rust wine growers like the mayor at the time, Heribert Altinger, showed reporters the bottles bearing the fake labels from rust.

57:48Yes, this bottle here contains genuine rust wine as we grow it here. But this here is a devilish drink, adulterated wine enhanced with glycol, bottled in Germany. The tragedy is it bears our name. For Heidi, her family and her neighbours, it was a hard summer. It was just that the summer season started and people who know Rust, it is a very touristic place and lots of the bottles of wine are sold during these summer months when the tourists come and visit Rust and swim in the lake and later take some bottles home. And during these next two months we could not sell one bottle. In the Parliament in Vienna, tough new laws were rushed through to bolster the industry's reputation.

58:36The law must demonstrate to the whole wide world our determination to root out this unparalleled scandal. There were stricter rules on production. Labels, bottling and corks had to have an official seal. Several winemakers were convicted and jailed for adding the antifreeze to wine. But the Austrians are practical people. Instead of discarding all that adulterated wine, one enterprising business came up with a way of putting it to good use. With obvious logic, an Austrian company has suggested that since the wine contains antifreeze, why not use it as antifreeze? This week, they put the idea to the test on an ice-bound airport.

59:17Thousands of gallons of the contaminated wine, mixed with salts to make it even more effective, were sprayed onto the runway. Ten minutes later, the three centimetre layer of solid ice had completely melted. But Heidi Schreck, who now runs the family winery in Rust, reckons the wine scandal was remarkably a good thing for her industry in the end. New thinking, new methods were introduced. And some might say there's no such thing as bad publicity. OK, the world knows that Austria is a wine producing country. During all these bad things, this was a very good thing. but now we have to show them what potential in this wine country is and what beautiful soils we have, what wonderful climate we have and then it started to be a real revolution.

1:00:06Yeah, it's like Phoenix. Rise like a Phoenix. The Austrian winemaker Heidi Schruck was speaking to Susan Hume in 2015 and with that we've come to the end of this edition of the History Hour. We'll have more for you next week. So until then, this is Max Pearson from all of us here. Thanks for listening. Goodbye.

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Max Pearson presents a collection of this week’s Witness History and Sporting Witness episodes from the BBC World Service. What does a tickle look like? That was the question eight-year-old Adam Hargreaves asked in 1971. He explains how it led his father Roger Hargreaves, to create the children's book series Mr Men. Our guest Professor Nina Christensen, head of the Centre for Children's Literature and Media at Aarhus University, on the wider history of children's literature. We hear a remarkable account from Captain Chris Fraser-Perry, who took part in the Jugroom Fort rescue mission, during the war in Afghanistan. Plus from Cuba, we learn about the Mariel boatlift of 1980 in which thousands of people left for the United States and in 2022, the controversial visit to Cuba by former US President Jimmy Carter. And the story behind the contamination of Austria's fine wine in 1985. Our Sporting Witness episode this week looks at the first sister-brother duo to win Alpine Ski World Cup races on the same day. Contributors: Adam Hargreaves - Roger Hargreaves son Nina Christensen - head of the Centre for Children's Literature and Media at Aarhus University Captain Chris Fraser-Perry - British Royal Marine Mirta Ojito - Cuban-born journalist Jennifer McCoy - former director of the Carter Center Ivica Kostelic - Croatian alpine skier Janica Kostelic - Croatian alpine skier Heidi Schroek - Austrian wine-maker (Photo: English author Roger Hargreaves. Credit: Monti Spry/Central Press/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

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