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The History Hour: Italian History Episode Summary

Episode Overview

  • Host: Max Pearson
  • Guest: Arusa Qureshi (Scottish writer, editor, and music programmer)
  • Focus: A collection of significant events in Italian history, featuring interviews from the BBC World Service's Witness History.

Key Themes and Stories

  1. Pink Floyd's Controversial Concert in Venice (1989)
  2. Overview: British rock band Pink Floyd performed a worldwide broadcast concert in Venice.
  3. Controversy:
  4. Local Opposition: Concerns regarding crowd control, noise pollution, and potential damage to historic buildings.
  5. Venue Challenges: A floating stage was constructed, leading to logistical difficulties and last-minute negotiations with city officials.
  6. Outcome:
  7. Initial success with 200,000 attendees, but backlash from locals due to trash and lack of facilities.
  8. Legal and political ramifications for local authorities, including the resignation of the mayor.
  1. Dr. Rita Levi-Montalcini: A Nobel Prize Winner's Journey
  2. Background:
  3. Born in 1909 in Turin, Italy, she faced discrimination as a Jewish woman in academia during the fascist regime.
  4. Conducted groundbreaking neuroscience research from her bedroom during WWII.
  5. Discovery:
  6. Identified a protein responsible for nerve growth, termed nerve growth factor (NGF).
  7. Recognition:
  8. Initially overlooked, her work later gained acclaim, earning her a Nobel Prize in Physiology in 1986.
  9. Legacy:
  10. Later established a foundation to support women in science.
  1. The Mont Blanc Tunnel: Engineering Feat (Opened in 1965)
  2. Construction Challenges:
  3. Took nearly four decades of work to complete; faced numerous hazards including rockfalls and water influxes.
  4. Significant accidents and loss of life during construction.
  5. Impact:
  6. Improved connectivity between Italy and France, crucial for trade and transport.
  1. The Florence Flood of 1966
  2. Disaster Overview:
  3. The Arno River overflowed after heavy rains, submerging the city and causing extensive damage to cultural heritage.
  4. Community Response:
  5. Volunteers, known as "mud angels," helped in relief efforts, salvaging art and cleaning up the city.
  6. Destruction:
  7. Significant losses in art, with around 8,000 paintings damaged, including the famous Cimabue crucifix.
  8. International Aid:
  9. Global response with aid from various countries, including the U.S.
  1. Gina Lollobrigida's Interview with Fidel Castro
  2. Background:
  3. Lollobrigida, a prominent actress, made headlines with her exclusive interview and photo shoot with Castro in 1974.
  4. Significance:
  5. Provided a rare glimpse into the Cuban leader’s life, showcasing the intersection of art, politics, and celebrity.

Contributors

  • Pink Floyd Concert: Fran Tomasi and Andrea Pattaro (local witnesses).
  • Mont Blanc Tunnel: Franco Cuaz (first operations manager).
  • Florence Flood: Antonina Bargellini (survivor).
  • Music Insights: Arusa Qureshi (commentary on live music's cultural impact).

Conclusion This episode of *The History Hour* offers a rich exploration of significant moments in Italian history, highlighting the interplay of culture, science, and community resilience amidst challenges. Each segment reveals how these events shaped not only Italy but also had ramifications globally.

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Introduction to History Hour

0:45 to 1:39

Max Pearson introduces the History Hour and the episodes' focus on Italy.

“I'm just wondering, what are we going to do now?”

Italian Stories Overview

1:39 to 2:25

Discussion of various significant stories from Italy's past.

“Hello and welcome to the History Hour from the BBC World Service with me, Max Pearson, featuring interviews from the Witness History and Sporting Witness podcasts with people who experienced major events firsthand.”

Venice Concert Context

2:25 to 2:58

Introduction to Pink Floyd's famous concert in Venice and its planning.

“But first we've got a moment of musical history from Venice.”

Challenges of the Concert

2:58 to 4:19

Details of the obstacles faced in organizing the Pink Floyd concert in Venice.

“So they came from all over Europe, from Germany, from the UK and France.”

Anticipation Builds

4:19 to 5:51

Description of the excitement and crowd buildup for the concert in Venice.

“Some local officials were worried that the crowds and amplified noise could damage ancient buildings and threatened to pull the plug.”

Concert Performance

5:51 to 8:23

The concert begins and the atmosphere amid the audience is described.

“We were happy because everything seemed to be OK.”

Aftermath of the Concert

8:23 to 10:09

Discussion on the aftermath of the concert and the negative impact on Venice.

“And the sound was perfect in front of the stage.”

Reflections on the Concert

10:09 to 10:59

Reactions from Fran and other participants about the concert's legacy.

“without providing enough facilities for the fans and for taking too long to clean up the mountain of rubbish.”

Impact on Live Music History

10:59 to 11:40

Discussion on significant live music events and their historical impact.

“It was an incredible, special experience to my life and career.”

Stravinsky's Controversial Premiere

11:40 to 13:32

Overview of Stravinsky's controversial concert and its societal impact.

“And actually, the reason I thought about it was because I saw a production of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring just last weekend.”
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Political Statements in Music

13:32 to 14:06

How music events can lead to political statements and consequences.

“And I think it just is a really important concert because it helped usher Cuba into the kind of modern world and it helped establish live contemporary music as part of wider Cuban culture.”

The Backlash Against Natalie Maines

14:06 to 14:51

Learn about the controversial statement made by Natalie Maines during the Iraq War and its repercussions.

“And singer Natalie Maines, she told the crowd, we don't want this war, this violence, and we're ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas.”

Pussy Riot: Defiance and Protest

14:52 to 15:58

Explore how Pussy Riot became symbols of defiance in Russia through their music and protests.

“if you think of, for example, Pussy Riot in Russia, that's an art group, if you like, which is more about the politics than the music even.”

Transition to Science: Rita Levi-Montalcini

15:58 to 16:18

Transition from music to the story of an Italian scientist’s struggles during WWII.

“I was lucky enough to see them live in Edinburgh not that long ago, and they've definitely still got that kind of defiant energy.”

Rita's Journey: From Banishment to Discovery

16:21 to 18:48

Discover how Rita Levi-Montalcini continued her research despite being banned from universities.

“During the Second World War, an Italian scientist was forced to do experiments in her bedroom after being banned from universities because she was Jewish.”

The Discovery of Nerve Growth Factor

18:48 to 23:01

Learn about Rita's groundbreaking discovery of nerve growth factor through her experiments.

“I did an experiment on a chicken embryo that led me to the discovery of nerve cell death.”

Recognition and Impact of Rita's Work

23:01 to 24:52

Understand the delayed recognition of Rita's work and its implications for modern science.

“In 1952, I spoke of it as a neurological meeting in New York, but the situation was considered one of the many things which have no real importance.”

Mont Blanc Tunnel: Engineering Marvel

25:36 to 28:05

Explore the engineering feat of the Mont Blanc tunnel and its historical significance.

“the floods that hit Florence in 1966, and when Gina Lollobrigida met Fidel Castro.”

The Need for a Safer Route Through the Alps

28:05 to 29:28

Learn about the historical challenges of Alpine travel and the push for a tunnel.

“A century before, people had been asking for a tunnel, although at that time it was a railway tunnel because it was before cars.”

Challenges in Tunnel Construction

29:28 to 30:59

Discover the difficulties faced by workers during the Mont Blanc tunnel construction.

“But it wasn't until 1959 that work on both sides of the mountains started in earnest.”

Tragic Accidents and Their Impact

30:59 to 33:05

Hear about the accidents that occurred during the tunnel's construction and their effects.

“blasting away the inside of the mountain, then clearing the path ahead of them and installing props and supports.”

The Mont Blanc Tunnel Opens

33:05 to 34:22

Learn about the opening of the Mont Blanc tunnel and its significance.

“The fire began on a lorry carrying flour and margarine as it travelled through the seven-mile tunnel.”

The 1966 Florence Flood Overview

34:22 to 35:46

Understand the devastating impact of the 1966 flood in Florence.

“The Italian engineer Franco Coas, who recently celebrated his 100th birthday, he spoke to Mike Lanchin in 2017.”

Experiencing the Flood: Personal Accounts

35:46 to 38:29

Listen to a firsthand account of the chaos and destruction caused by the flood.

“And I remember leaning into the street and the noise was terrifying.”

Aftermath and Recovery Efforts

38:29 to 40:24

Explore the aftermath of the flood and community efforts to recover.

“As the water receded, we discovered the mud had arrived, a very deep layer of mud.”

The Role of Mud Angels in Recovery

40:24 to 42:05

Learn about the volunteers known as 'mud angels' who helped restore Florence.

“Thousands are homeless, shops and businesses destroyed, art ruined.”

Florence's Recovery Post-War

42:05 to 43:27

Learn about the resilience of Florentines in rebuilding their city after destruction.

“But then, because they were young, they adapted.”

The Rise and Fall of Darts in the UK

43:34 to 47:14

Explore the evolution of darts, its rise in popularity, and subsequent decline.

“And for this, we're delving into the troubled history of professional darts.”

The Darts Split: Formation of WDC

47:14 to 50:40

Discover the pivotal split in darts history and the formation of the WDC.

“By 1989, only the World Championships remained on TV.”

Court Battles and Banning of Players

50:40 to 52:10

Learn about the legal battles surrounding the ban of dart players and its implications.

“The judge said take it to arbitration, go and sort it out over the weekend and come back here on a Monday morning at 12 o 'clock and we want it all finished.”

Gina Lollobrigida: A Star's Journey

52:10 to 52:34

Explore the life and career of iconic actress Gina Lollobrigida.

“Finally this week, back to Italy, and Gina Lollabrigida.”

Lollobrigida's Reinvention and Controversies

52:34 to 56:00

Learn about Lollobrigida's transformation into an artist and the controversies she faced.

“as Ben Henderson learned from the BBC archives.”

Gina Lollobrigida's Life and Career Shifts

56:00 to 59:50

Explore Gina Lollobrigida's transformation from actress to photographer and beyond.

“And further controversy followed when she took advantage of Italy's recent legalisation of divorce to part ways with her husband in 1971.”

Legacy of Gina Lollobrigida

59:50 to 1:00:43

Reflect on the lasting impact and achievements of Gina Lollobrigida.

“In later life, Lola Brigida became a sculptor and even attempted to launch a political career, running for the Italian Senate aged 95.”
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0:00This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. If there was a big red button that would just demolish the internet, I would smash that button with my forehead. From the BBC, this is The Interface, the show that explores how tech is rewiring your week and your world. This isn't about quarterly earnings or about tech reviews. It's about what technology is actually doing to your work, your politics, your everyday life. And all the bizarre ways people are using the internet. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:41From the brilliant and bizarre. It was really surreal. It was a surreal kind of atmosphere there. You couldn't really see anybody. To the shocking and unexpected. I'm just wondering, what are we going to do now? This was really my worst fear. He found 100 % horse meat that was labelled as beef. Witness the stories that have shaped our world. Told by the people who were there. When he went to the factory, the poodle went in front of him. So the work was only, oh, the boss is here. Many people had many things to lose by our victory. The future was not so bright. Witness History. We had a designer.

1:17He brought in a fully storyboarded idea about how the queen would arrive by jumping out of a helicopter. And we all said, that's brilliant, but it's never going to happen. Witness History at bbcworldservice.com slash witnesshistory or wherever you get your podcasts.

1:39Hello and welcome to the History Hour from the BBC World Service with me, Max Pearson, featuring interviews from the Witness History and Sporting Witness podcasts with people who experienced major events firsthand. This week we're focusing on stories from Italy's past, including an Italian Nobel Prize winning scientist who battled against prejudice. It was not persecution like in Germany, but it was an unpleasant environment, you know. We've got one of the men who built the Mont Blanc tunnel, which was finally completed in the 1960s. When I saw the first vehicle come through, I felt happy because it was a wonderful end to a long story, a story of almost a century of hope, of expectations.

2:19Plus Gina Lollobrigida and the flooding of Florence in 1966. The water kept on rising and rising and rising. Impossible to stop, first noisily. But first we've got a moment of musical history from Venice. In July 1989, the British band Pink Floyd played a concert in the historic city. The show was also broadcast worldwide to a huge television audience. Artistically, it may have been a success, but its planning was mired in controversy. Emma Ford has been hearing from people who were closely involved in that event. It was Venice and a free concert and a special venue as well. You can imagine a stage on the water.

3:06So they came from all over Europe, from Germany, from the UK and France. Meet Italian music promoter Fran Tumazzi. Franz worked with some of the biggest names in music. I did more than 160 tours with many other bands like Talking Edge and Weather Report, Simple Minds and many others. U2, Rolling Stone and many, many others. I can send you a list of artists. In the late 1980s, he began working with Pink Floyd. I did eight concerts, Milan, Verona, which is three wonderful shows, Naples and Livorno. And then they asked me, they're looking for a special venue, they asked me if I have something nice and special to propose and I was living in Venice and I have my office there and they come out, why not Venice?

4:03And they were enthusiastic about the proposal. But not everyone was on board with the idea. The town council band was 49 % against the council, 51 % in favour. They said, no, no way, because they're going to ruin the city. Some local officials were worried that the crowds and amplified noise could damage ancient buildings and threatened to pull the plug. At the last minute, a deal was done to keep the volume down, a limit of 60 decibels to be precise. The band was ordered to lower the sun because it could have damaged the frescoes. So they were very unhappy about that because, you know, the sun normally would be at least double.

4:49But there were even more hurdles to overcome in a city built on water, famous for its canals and bridges. Here's David Gilmore from the band talking on Pink Floyd's official YouTube channel. Absolutely, of course. We want to do a gig in Venice. Where do we do this gig in Venice? Well, out on the water, of course, facing St Mark's Square. Yeah. What do we play on? Well, there's a floating barge platform in Norway that is, you know, 150 yards long and 100 yards wide, and we can tow it from Norway to Venice.

5:32With the enormous floating stage finally set, over 200 ,000 fans from all over Europe descended on the city. The square started to be full even in the morning. There was a lot of people coming by train and thousands of people coming all over the day. But Pink Floyd was relaxed. We were happy because everything seemed to be OK. Pink Floyd is one of the most important groups of rock music.

6:03Yes, I was a fan, absolutely. A group so international, so universal with that kind of music. Few words, but very, very important music. Among the crowd was Venetian Andrea Patro, a then 23-year-old photographer working for a local newspaper. I like to take pictures in Venice. Every corridor is a picture, every place is a picture, every people is a picture. Thousands watched from boats, gondolas and floating platforms. On land, people crammed waterfront and packed into narrow alleyways, climbing onto roofs and buildings to get a better view. You didn't see the water. There was so many boats. I just see the water in front of me.

6:52you understand that you are in the centre of the story. And you had a responsibility too, like journalists, how to make the story, you know. I'm a photographer for 40 years. Absolutely, the Pilafari concert was done one of the most important work that I've done. But backstage, Fran Tumazi was sweating. With just half an hour until showtime, an important piece of paperwork was missing. We didn't have the permission for the show. The town council should authorise a concert, an event, but the mayor left the town and didn't sign it. So I found the deputy mayor in a boat in front of the stage and he signed it.

7:39With paperwork finally in hand, the concert got going. Grazie, thank you very much indeed. Buonasera.

7:50Right, we're just going to get on with some music, OK? Have a good time, we're going to. Take it away, gal. The show was also broadcast globally to an estimated 100 million viewers in over 20 countries. So you think you can tell Heavens from hell Blue skies from pain Fran watched from a water taxi with his family. with my wife Rita and my son Tobia. So I really enjoyed the show. It was wonderful. And the sound was perfect in front of the stage. So I think it was a wonderful show.

8:41And what about the band? They were all happy. Yes, very happy. They did it. It was a very special event. They realised it was a unique event.

8:56But the happiness was short-lived as Venice awoke the next morning to the aftermath. Thousands of fans had slept on the streets, in doorways and alleyways. A reported 300 tonnes of rubbish littered the historic city. The locals weren't pleased. The backlash made headlines around the world. The concert had taken place with few facilities laid on for the fans and virtually no public toilets. Some fans had clambered on to whatever vantage points they could with inevitable results. At least one historic monument was also said to have been damaged. 200 ,000 people who had no accommodation and no looms.

9:35Nobody who saw that will ever forget it. Nobody who smelt it will ever forget it either. Venice may be regretting the day Pink Floyd came to town for a very long time yet.

9:48There was a lot of rumours about three people died and windows of shops broken. Most of the town was very upset. For a couple of days, there was a lot of discussion about the rubbish and told it was my fault. But people's anger soon turned to the authorities. They face heavy criticism for allowing it to go ahead without providing enough facilities for the fans and for taking too long to clean up the mountain of rubbish. After the concert, the mayor resigned and in a few months the entire town concert resigned because they made a disaster. They didn't really take care of the town and the interests of the city and the audience and the citizens as well.

10:38So how does Fran look back on it now? Jesus, we have to talk about that again? That's what I think. No, I will never do it again because I have to face so many problems. But at the end, I'm quite happy that I did it. It was an incredible, special experience to my life and career.

11:10The music promoter Fran Tomasi and photographer Andrea Pataro were speaking to Emma Ford. Venice may have taken time to recover from that famous 1989 Pink Floyd concert, but how has it gone down in the annals of live music history? Arusa Qureshi is a writer, editor and music programmer based in Scotland and joins us now. And there have been some real standout moments when live music have made a proper splash. Take us back first to, let's go with Stravinsky in the early part of the 20th century. Yes, this one's really interesting. And actually, the reason I thought about it was because I saw a production of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring just last weekend.

11:47And it really made me think about when this first premiered, which was in Paris in 1913. And Stravinsky, you know, he was a modernist composer. He was known for his kind of harsh and dissonant sounds. But at the time when this premiered, it really shocked people. and I think it was the partnership between his score and Nijinsky's ballet choreography. And at the time, it reportedly led to audience members shouting and physically fighting. And you can read more about this in Stravinsky's 1936 autobiography. And it's really interesting. He talks about there being derisive laughter, which really started just after a few bars of music played.

12:25And there was a terrific uproar from the audience. And that was because people were shocked by the style of the music and the choreography. Exactly. And I think it really offended the audience's idea of what a ballet should be, I guess. And that's why it was so controversial at the time. And more recently, there have been concerts or events, if you like, which have been more overtly political or at least have turned out that way. What stands out for you? Yeah, so the first one that comes to mind is when Manic Street Preachers played in Cuba in February 2001. And this was really interesting because it was the first time that a Western rock band had played in Cuba in around 20 years.

13:04And Fidel Castro was actually in attendance in the audience. He met the band before. And before this time, really, the government in Cuba had banned quite a lot of Western rock and pop music, and it was kind of deemed subversive. Hardly anyone played, so this was really unique. But Manic Street Preachers had agreed to defy a long-standing cultural embargo and play this concert in Havana. and it took place in front of an audience of like 5 ,000 people and tickets were around 17 pence. And I think it just is a really important concert because it helped usher Cuba into the kind of modern world and it helped establish live contemporary music as part of wider Cuban culture.

13:47And nowadays it seems with some bands or indeed organisations, the music event is more political, if you like, than the music. Yeah, absolutely. So the first one that comes to mind is when Dixie Chicks, who are now called The Chicks, played at London's Shepherds Bush Empire in 2003. And at the time, the Iraq War was going on in the background. And singer Natalie Maines, she told the crowd, we don't want this war, this violence, and we're ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas. And that was a reference to George W. Bush. and you know it seems like a innocent enough statement in terms of what we know of the Iraq war but at the time it led to huge backlash mostly from their right-wing fans in the US and it resulted in them being totally blacklisted from country radio stations and there was fan protests they even had death threats and as a result Natalie Maines was forced to apologize because I think she had no other choice but I think they never really came back from it and they broke up shortly after before eventually coming back.

14:50And if you come to more modern times, if you think of, for example, Pussy Riot in Russia, that's an art group, if you like, which is more about the politics than the music even. Yes, absolutely. And so their concert in Moscow in February 2012 was the thing that really threw them into global attention. And it led to the arrest and conviction for hooliganism motivated by religious hatred and imprisonment of three of the members of the group. Basically what they'd done, they performed what they called a punk prayer in this church. And they had said that the protest was directed at the Orthodox Church leader's support for Putin and his election campaign.

15:30It was just a really interesting moment because the trial and the sentencing really garnered a lot of attention worldwide. And lots of leaders like Barack Obama were calling for the release. And we talk about how music impacts global events. Well, people often say that when Putin signed the bill in 2013 that was about imposing jail terms for people who insulted other people's religious feelings, a lot of people say that was a direct response to what Pissieria had done. And at the time they became symbols of defiance and expression, and I think that's very much continued. They're very much still that symbol.

16:05I was lucky enough to see them live in Edinburgh not that long ago, and they've definitely still got that kind of defiant energy. Live music events as politics, the writer, editor and music programmer Aruta Qureshi there. From music, we turn next to the world of science. During the Second World War, an Italian scientist was forced to do experiments in her bedroom after being banned from universities because she was Jewish. That work led to a discovery that would earn her a Nobel Prize. Tim O 'Callaghan has her inspiring story. I mean, I had no problem. I was not afraid of persecution. It was not persecution like in Germany, but it was an unpleasant environment, you know.

16:51Her name was Dr Rita Levi-Montalcini. That's her speaking to the Nobel Prize Institute in 2008 at the age of 99. Rita was born into a Jewish family in the northern Italian city of Turin in 1909. Her father disapproved of women being educated, but aged 20 she convinced him to let her study medicine. Cramming years worth of Greek, Latin and mathematics into eight months, she enrolled at the University of Turin, graduating in 1936. But inspired by one of her professors, Giuseppe Levy, she began studying advanced neuroscience, the study of the brain and nervous system. Then everything changed in the country.

17:35Mussolini shouted woe to the weak. He announced the end of brotherhood and stated that Italy's policy was determined by force.

17:47The fascist dictator Benito Mussolini came to power in Italy in 1922 and then in 1938 under new Italian race laws Jews were banned from public office and higher education. Rita initially went to Brussels to continue working, but returned to Italy as Europe stood on the verge of World War II, as she explained in an interview with the Society for Neuroscience in 1996. When the war was just on the verge of being declared, I came back from Belgium to Turin. And there I found myself in the impossibility of doing any work at the university. In this condition I could only do two things. Either move to the United States, but family did not want, and I did not want to separate myself from my mother and brother and sister.

18:41For this reason I decided to continue my work in my bedroom in Turin. It was in this bedroom laboratory that Rita made a discovery that would change her life, which she told the BBC about in 1996.

19:01I did an experiment on a chicken embryo that led me to the discovery of nerve cell death. A chicken embryo is, of course, a very small creature with two developing limbs, the wing and the leg. When I cut one of these limbs, the wing or the leg, with a needle, I realized that the nerve cells that had begun to develop in the spinal cord died. And that is the first evidence of cellular degeneration, because the developing nerve cell doesn't receive messages from the periphery.

19:36We'll get back to Rita in just a moment, because I understand this all sounds a bit confusing if you aren't well-versed in biology and neuroscience. I tried really hard to come up with a simple explanation about the nervous system for you all. But then I found one that the BBC's Melvin Bragg did in the archives. Running through every part of our bodies is a network of fibres. This is a nervous system, an elaborate structure which carries information throughout the body. It allows the brain to control our muscles and internal organs and also conveys sensations such as sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch in the opposite direction.

20:12Today, thanks to modern neuroscience, we know much more about the complex network of cells which controls and coordinates our bodies. So that's what Rita was studying, the nerves in our nervous system, and she's part of the reason we understand how it works. By experimenting on those chicken embryos in her bedroom, she realised that if part of the cell was missing, the nerves died. Unable to publish her findings in Italy because she was Jewish, Rita published her observations of cell death abroad. They were seen by Dr Victor Hamburger at the University of Washington, St. Louis in the United States.

20:48They seemed to contradict his own findings and he decided to invite Rita to work with him. After proving that Rita was right, they began experimenting by implanting a tumour from a mouse into chicken embryos and saw that it stimulated nerve cell growth. So I thought to myself, it's a tremendous effect. The tumour must be something extraordinary, important, which make the sensory fibres grow much larger than normal. I said I do believe that this is due to some substance which is released from the tumour and reach all the cells which are receptive to it. So Rita knew that something important was going on and there must be something in the tumour which was causing the growth of the nerves but she wasn't sure what it was yet.

21:44One of her assistants, Stanley Cohen, thought of a way to try and find out. Snake venom. He received the suggestion to add to the medium in tissue culture a snake venom particle. The snake venom contained a particular enzyme which could break down something called nucleic acid, which is what makes up our DNA, essentially the blueprint of our cells. And he added into the tissue culture a very little amount and just did not tell me anything about it. The following morning, I went there very early in the laboratory. The number of fibres was a thousand more. The experiment with the snake venom proved that whatever was causing the nerve cells to grow wasn't part of the DNA of the cell, but...

22:34So we know by sure that the effect is due to a protein that is not only found in the mouse tumour, but is present a thousand times more into the snake venom than in the tumour itself. This was the crucial discovery for Rita. She now knew that a protein was responsible for the growth of the nerves in the cells. She called it nerve growth factor. But initially, the rest of the scientific community didn't take much notice. In 1952, I spoke of it as a neurological meeting in New York, but the situation was considered one of the many things which have no real importance. In 1986, Rita and Stanley's discovery got the credit it deserved as the importance of nerve growth factor became apparent to other scientists.

23:26Dr. Rita Levy-Montalcini, on behalf of the Nobel Assembly, I wish to extend our warmest congratulations and I ask you to receive your Nobel Prize in Physiology. I consider myself more as an artist than a scientist. I am far away from being in this kind of very rigorous, analistic approach to reality. I am much more intuition mind. And I believe that my discovery, all to this particular, if you can say, gift which I have, to be very intuitive, to have a very intuitive and statistical mind. The discovery was an important step in the understanding of how our nervous system works. It has allowed scientists to find more growth factors and potentially battle degenerative diseases such as dementia and could be something that is targeted in new cancer treatments.

24:29Rita returned to Italy where she founded the Institute for Cell Biology in Rome, established a foundation to help African women study science and was made a senator for life in her country, a position she worked in until her death in 2012 at the age of 103. Tim O 'Callaghan with the story of the Italian scientist Dr. Rita Levi-Montalcini. From persecution in wartime Turin to a Nobel Prize and a significant contribution to our understanding of dementia. If there was a big red button that would just demolish the internet, I would smash that button with my forehead. From the BBC, this is The Interface, the show that explores how tech is rewiring your week and your world.

25:15This isn't about quarterly earnings or about tech reviews. It's about what technology is actually doing to your work, your politics, your everyday life. And all the bizarre ways people are using the internet. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

25:35Still to come as we continue looking at moments from Italy's past, the floods that hit Florence in 1966, and when Gina Lollobrigida met Fidel Castro. They thought me he's a fat, heavy man, a difficult man, and I was quite shocked because he's a gentle, nice, soft, handsome man. But first, a marvel of 20th century engineering. In the mid-1960s, the nearly 12-kilometre-long tunnel under Mont Blanc in the European Alps was finally opened. I say finally because it took many years of dangerous work to complete. In 2017, Mike Lanchon spoke to Franco Coas, one of the men who made it happen.

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26:24It's July 19th, 1965. almost four decades have passed since the very first drilling began into the Alps, and at last the Mont Blanc tunnel joining France and Italy is open for traffic.

26:40When I saw the first vehicle come through, I felt happy, because it was a wonderful end to a long story, a story of almost a century of hope, of expectations, of disappointments too. And then my thoughts turned to my grandfather, who had been one of the pioneers of a Mont Blanc rail tunnel at the turn of the century. And of course, I also thought about all those poor lads who'd lost their lives trying to make this all possible. Hundreds of men had toiled for years in intense heat, digging deep underground. Twelve had lost their lives. Dozens of others had been injured in rockfalls, avalanches and flooding.

27:16But now, one of Europe's most daring projects was finished. Never before had a tunnel this long been built. and we didn't know if the construction would hold up. But in the end it was all fine. It was such a satisfaction for me to see this. I'd achieved a dream, not just my dream, but a dream of so many. Franco Cues is an Italian engineer who had grown up in the valley below the Mont Blanc mountain range. In the 1960s he worked as a consultant on the construction of the Mont Blanc tunnel and after it opened in 1965 he became its first operations manager.

27:53Even when I was a child, I heard everyone talking about a tunnel. It was an important construction for our region because it gave us a chance to communicate with France 12 months a year, not just four months, like it had been previously. A century before, people had been asking for a tunnel, although at that time it was a railway tunnel because it was before cars.

28:20But it wasn't just to connect the locals that a safer and more stable route through the Alps was so important Even after the advent of cars the steep mountain passes were closed off for much of the year because of snow and ice and even when they were possible travel in that part of eastern France and north-western Italy was extremely hazardous This is the Great St Bernard Pass a typical road over the Alps Already the snow is frozen as hard as glass. Our station wagon got trapped in it. We had to be pulled out on the way up here. For the more intrepid motorists, the pass will be open for just a few more days and then the big snows will come and it'll be closed until the middle of May.

29:02In brief, you do not cross the Alps in winter. You go round. With a 1 ,200km stretch of Italy's border effectively out of bounds for months on end, going round was often not an option. So something had to be done. In 1946, as peace returned to Europe, the first Italian construction teams began drilling on their side of the Alps. And the following year, an agreement was reached with France to build the tunnel together. But it wasn't until 1959 that work on both sides of the mountains started in earnest. This BBC reporter visited the site of the tunnel two years later, in 1961. From here, this looks a pretty big hole, but when you think of the size of the mountain through which it's being driven, it's rather like trying to drive a needle through the granite foundations of Edinburgh Castle.

29:54And in fact, Mont Blanc herself is not taking too kindly to having this hole put through her side. She's resisting with everything she's got. It was around the same time that Franco first went to visit the site.

30:10It was all smoke, water and noise. Water, because 60 % of the Mont Blanc passes under glaciers, so there were torrents of water falling into the tunnel. We're talking about 1 ,000 litres per second. The smoke was from the explosives and the motors of the trucks and the dust from the diggers. The noise was deafening from the hammers, the explosions and the diesel trucks. And then there were also these tension blows, which was something we hadn't expected. When you're digging into rock, mostly granite, you disturb an equilibrium that had been there for thousands of years. And when you start to move the blocks, you get a huge noise that sounds like an actual explosion.

30:52Using heavy boring machinery and explosives, the French and the Italian workers edge slowly forward, blasting away the inside of the mountain, then clearing the path ahead of them and installing props and supports. Progress was painfully slow and often interrupted. Franco says that on the Italian side, the earth was less stable and more prone to landslides. At one stage, work had to be halted for five months after the machinery was completely buried under falling rock. Luckily, no one was hurt.

31:27The most tragic accident happened on the Italian side when a metal bar was inserted into the side of the hill to measure the consistency of the rock, and it hit an area of high water pressure. So when the bar went in, the water spat it out like a javelin and went straight at a poor worker standing by, killing him. I know that several workers died over the years during the construction. How did such accidents affect morale? The workers knew and accepted that it was part of the job. It was sad, but they just kept on working. There was one moment of panic, though, when an avalanche struck the barracks where they slept.

32:06That was when many of the workers wanted to leave, but the company persuaded them to stay on. In August 1962, three long years after the work had begun, the tunnellers from each side finally met in the middle. It was a moment of great joy and great emotion, of hugs, handshakes, flags, applause. The Italians were giving the French bottles of Chianti and the French gave the Italians bottles of Beaujolais. It would take three more years before the tunnel was finally finished and officially opened with great fanfare by President de Gaulle of France and Italy's Giuseppe Saragat. But even then, says Franco, the problems were not over.

32:47In the winter of 1966, a massive avalanche fell on the entrance area, bearing a French vehicle waiting to pass customs. And then on the morning of March 24th 1999, a much more serious incident after a 40-ton truck caught fire inside the tunnel. The fire began on a lorry carrying flour and margarine as it travelled through the seven-mile tunnel. Twenty other lorries and ten cars became trapped and were burnt to a cinder. Eleven charred bodies have been recovered so far. It's thought at least 30 people may have died. The Mont Blanc tunnel was closed for the next three years, while a radical reassessment of safety was carried out.

33:28In 2005, a French court found 13 individuals and companies guilty of manslaughter, among them the head of tunnel security and the truck's Belgium driver. Franco had left the tunnel management in November of 1990, well before the fire, but like everyone else, he was greatly affected by such a tragic event. He later went on to work on other tunnel projects, including the Channel Tunnel between Britain and France. Franco's long since retired, but he still lives in the shadows of Mont Blanc, not far from the tunnel's entrance.

34:05This was the highlight of my professional career. It's what any engineer dreams of. And even now, when I'm out riding my bike or walking along the road in the town and I see the queues of trucks waiting ahead of the tunnel, I worry about it as if I was still working there. It's really stayed in my heart. You understand? The Italian engineer Franco Coas, who recently celebrated his 100th birthday, he spoke to Mike Lanchin in 2017. That Mont Blanc tunnel opened in 1965. In November the following year, Italy suffered a disaster that struck a chord around the world. Florence was hit by a devastating flood after heavy rainfall caused the river Arno to burst its banks.

34:48The city was submerged under tons of mud, rubble and sewage. Thousands of people were forced from their homes and the city's famous artistic heritage didn't escape. Jane Wilkinson has been hearing from someone who was directly involved in the aftermath. Nature took its toll in 1966. The Arno River in Italy, fed by autumn storms, surged into Florence. The water kept on rising and rising and rising, impossible to stop. First noisily, and then silently, here on my street, it reached more than five metres, and then everything turned into a horrible swamp. This is Antonina Bergelini. On the morning of the Florence flood, she was 22 and living on the third floor of her family home.

35:42I woke up, opened the window and looked out. It was so strange. Instead of the garden, I saw a lake. And I remember leaning into the street and the noise was terrifying. Cars being dragged along with the water and crashing into each other. And there was even a floating tree, and the doors of the houses were ripped off, and everything was pouring out, out of the houses. It was chaotic. We just didn't understand what was happening. Go 20 miles upstream of here on the still swollen waters of the Arno, and the reason why it happened at all seems plain enough. Rainwater from the mountains descending in torrents, pouring into the Arno Valley from the tributaries large and small.

36:30In just 24 hours, a third of the region's total annual rain had fallen, bursting the riverbanks. While upstream, excess water is also being released into the Arno to stop dams from breaking. The result is catastrophic. A flood flowing through the city at up to 70 kilometres an hour. Downstream in Florence, where the water still stretched forbiddingly after further heavy rains, the full force of the flood descended. First the water, then the mud. In Antonina's home, neighbours have gathered, worried their own houses might collapse. Some want to speak to her father, because Piero Bergelini is Florence's mayor.

37:11But my father had been called out. There was serious danger that the Ponte Vecchio, the old stone bridge over the Arno, was about to collapse. He rushed there immediately. Fortunately, it didn't happen, but he wasn't able to return home. instead mayor bergelini remains at the platzo vecchio the city's town hall by now in some streets the water has risen to nearly six meters high and then finally at around 8 p.m it stops and slowly very slowly the flood began to recede and by night time there was an enormous silence It was a dark silence, because all the lights had gone out. We went up to the terrace of our building, from where you can see all of Florence, and it seemed like a medieval city.

38:03There were only voices that carried from one house to another, saying, A woman here is ill. Pass the message to Palazzo Vecchio, from rooftop to rooftop, because in those days there were no mobile phones. And my father felt so powerless, but also proud that the Florentines were calling out to each other, helping each other. It was truly a very powerful moment. But the next day, Florence faces more problems, around 600 ,000 tonnes of rubble and sewage. As the water receded, we discovered the mud had arrived, a very deep layer of mud. Then there was a terrible smell because the sewers had burst and risen up.

38:48And there was the stink of the diesel oil from the heating systems. It was awful, but in those first days, nothing could be done. When we went out, we could barely walk because of the mud. And one of the paradoxes of the flood was the total lack of water for drinking and for cleaning. We actually spent an entire day without drinking because all the clean water had disappeared in Florence. Mobile coffee stalls brought to hundreds the first hot drink and food they had had for five days. It was only when I went outside that I realized what a disaster it was. The damage to Florence was enormous. 700 streets and 50 squares were flooded.

39:36So much destruction. This was the biggest tragedy Florence had experienced for centuries. 8 ,000 paintings may be damaged beyond restoration. And among the works of art affected, the one that was the most upsetting, not only for me, but for everyone, was the crucifix by Cimabue. The monks tried to save it, but the water arrived, and the crucifix was destroyed, proving almost impossible to repair. It's a Christ on whose face you can see the suffering of the flood. It became, for all Florentines, the symbol of the city, of what they went through that day. Thousands are homeless, shops and businesses destroyed, art ruined.

40:30Mayor Bergelini appeals for help. And it comes. Artists, including Pablo Picasso, auction their work to raise money. And the film director, Franco Zeffirelli, makes what will be his only documentary, Florence, Days of Destruction. The city of Dante, of Michelangelo, of Galileo, of Machiavelli, is in a dreadful state. The actor, Richard Burton, lends his voice. The water starts coming into the city and it rises so fast that no one has time to save or bring away from museums and churches those art treasures of which Florence is so rich. Zephyrilli's film was very important because it was through this that people abroad learned what had happened in Florence.

41:20And enormous aid arrived from the United States, literally hundreds of thousands of dollars. RAF planes came carrying blankets, lifting equipment, medicines and tents. But not only from there, from all over the world. From Senegal, Ethiopia, China, Russia, the Philippines, from any country you can name. And there's more. Hundreds of young people begin arriving in Florence to clean up the city, wearing wellingtons and carrying spades. They become known as the mud angels. At first, my father was worried. He said they need to be fed and a place to sleep, in a Florence that has been destroyed. But then, because they were young, they adapted.

42:10They slept wherever they could, even on trains. And they were amazing. During the day, They worked in horrible conditions, transporting manuscripts and works of art. A vast amount remains to be done. Books salvaged in a waterlogged state from the Bibliothèque Viesseur are dried off, then carried away to safer ground by students and soldiers working together. Afterwards, they helped the people, those who needed their homes clean. because you can't imagine what the cellars were like. Stinking, full of dead animals, the smell coming up from drains. And these angels were helping and smiling, always smiling.

43:00And the Florentines, very proud people, worked day and night. So, at Christmas, the first shops began to reopen and little by little the city recovered. And by spring, Florence was ready to receive tourists. Thanks to the people and to the world.

43:27Antonina Bergelini was talking to Jane Wilkinson. Next, we're going to break away from past events in Italy for a moment as we take a look at another sporting witness. And for this, we're delving into the troubled history of professional darts. There have been ebbs and flows in the fortunes of darts, very popular in the 1970s and 80s, not so much in the 90s. As television audiences dwindled, there was a split in the sport. Tim O 'Callaghan has been hearing from a player who was at the heart of that rupture nearly 30 years ago.

44:01The BDO said, well, we run this, and we don't particularly care what you want. That's my attitude, and it always has been, that they wouldn't listen. If they'd have listened, there was no need for there could have ever been a split. That's John Lowe, a three-time world darts champion. Before we get into this split, we need to go back to the 1970s and 80s, because at that time something extraordinary was happening to darts in the United Kingdom. Traditionally played in pubs and social clubs, television brought the game into the living rooms of millions, making the players household names. And it was in the 1970s that a new body was formed, the British Darts Organisation, commonly known as the BDO.

44:42It was a boom. It was the British Darts Organisation that really got it onto TV on a regular, well, probably almost every week. Run by Ollie Croft, a businessman from North London, the BDO began running tournaments from county level to international, with the two major TV channels in the UK, the BBC and ITV, showcasing them. and then in 1978 the first world championship was staged. It was a good friend of mine who started all that and not the BDO. It was Mike Watterson who ran the world snooker championship and he rang me up at two o 'clock in the morning and said I need 16 or 32 players, professional players and we're going to have a world championship of darts.

45:26And I said I'm sorry, I think we've only got three. As the sport grew so did the sponsorship and prize money. In the 1984 World Match Play, the sponsors offered any player who could hit a nine-dart finish£100 ,000, which would be worth almost US$450 ,000 in 2026. It had never really been done. And if anybody said they had done it, we doubted it because they couldn't prove it. For those of you who don't know, a nine-dart finish is where you go from 501, which is the score you start on in dart match play, to zero in nine darts, the lowest possible. It's considered one of the hardest feats in sport and it had never been witnessed on TV.

46:07That was until John stepped up to throw his darts on the 13th of October, 1984.

46:15Once I'd got the two maximums, 180-180, I'd got it in my mind, don't go for treble 20 again, go down to the treble 17, then all you'd do is move upward to the treble 18, across slightly, double 18, and it worked perfect. Simple as that. The room rose, Keith Dallaro was playing, it got a big smile in his hands without the shake hands. It was an history-making moment, yeah, and thankfully I never thought of money at all. I did afterwards, but I didn't while I was doing it. And I thought, well, I have practised for 19 years and this looks like the best chance. They were absolutely, and I'm not bragging in any way, but all the nine darts were perfect.

46:59I believe that changed the sport of darts. It took it from the amateur arena into the professional arena. But when you're that high, it can be very easy to fall. In 1983, there were 23 tournaments on television. But then the BBC decided to cut down on its darts coverage and ITV stopped showing it altogether. By 1989, only the World Championships remained on TV. This was a big worry for the players who relied on the sport to make a living, including John. The British Darts organisation didn't have a plan. They didn't have a business plan to go forward. We wanted a meeting with them between the players who were professional then.

47:39How are we going to carry on making money? Eric Bristow, who had won five world championships, told the BBC in 2014 how that meeting in late 1992 went. They sent me in as a spokesman for the Darts players. I said, I've only got three questions. First of all, I said, can you guarantee us more than one tournament a year on TV? He said no. Second one, would you mind if we run our own tournaments? Sky wanted to come in and we had contacts to run the tournament. And he said yes. And then the last question was, OK, if we did run our own tournament, what would happen? And he said, we'll ban you. It was all about power.

48:14And it was, I run this game. I am the chairman. I am the founder of the British Arts Organisation. And it will continue my way. I honestly believe that. For his part, Olly Croft told the BBC he couldn't guarantee anything and that the top players weren't prepared to wait for the situation to get better. And then between December 1992 and January 1993, a lot happened. Undeterred by the threat of a ban, John and 15 other players, including every active former world champion, decided to form their own organisation, the World Darts Council, or WDC. And then they said they'd only participate in the 94 World Championships if it was under the WDC and not the BDO.

49:00I was the world champion when the split came, so I really had more to lose than anyone. I didn't defend the world title. John reckons this cost him thousands in potential sponsorship fees. A few weeks later, in January 1993, the BDO responded by banning the Rebel players from any event on British soil, which was later extended to a worldwide ban. It was not a nice feeling for the simple reason people wouldn't even book us for exhibitions just they thought that the members of the BDO could not come and play us. It was a lot more difficult than what people think especially over that time period.

49:38Legal action against the ban was launched by the WDC and they began hosting their own world championships in 1994 shown on the new satellite channel Sky. When we did the first World Championship, no one got paid. It was months before anybody got any money because they didn't have any. So really, we were a little bit fortunate really that the ship didn't sink early on and then it grew. Did you ever have a wobble? Did you ever think, oh gosh, we've done the wrong thing here? Me personally, I thought, and I think now today that I may have done the wrong thing. Because looking back at it, I turned down quite a lot.

50:15And players and some people outside that had nothing to lose, they moved in and actually capitalised on it. At that time, I knew I'd done right. I wanted to stay with the professional side of the game or could we make it professional? Looking back on it, it's still in the back of my mind. Did I do the right thing? In 1997, the two sides went to the High Court in London over the player ban. and in John's words it was a bit of a farce. The judge said take it to arbitration, go and sort it out over the weekend and come back here on a Monday morning at 12 o 'clock and we want it all finished. It never really went through a deciding thing.

50:54They made us an offer, we made counter claims more than offers and when it came into court the judge thanked Ollie Croft and the other committee members of the BDO for doing a great job and then just awarded it in our favour, but with no payment or anything. The ban on the players was lifted and one of the stipulations was that the WDC becomes the PDC, the Players' Darts Council. The two world championships of the BDO and the PDC continued though, with the PDC bringing in the sports promoting firm Matchroom to help grow their tournaments. Under Matchroom's management in the 2000s, the PDC tour and prize money surpassed the BDO, with most of the top players choosing to play in PDC tournaments.

51:40The BDO then rejected a£1 million buyout offer from the PDC in 2009 and went into liquidation in 2020. When I look at it now, if they hadn't have been the split, if they hadn't have collapsed everything, I don't think the game would be worth it today. But when I look back, the BDO, there's no reason the BDO shouldn't have appointed a company to do exactly what the PDC are doing today. John Lowe, three-time world dance champion, was speaking to Tim O 'Callaghan. Finally this week, back to Italy, and Gina Lollabrigida. She was one of the biggest film stars of the 1950s and 60s, an iconic beauty.

52:22Her co-stars read like a Hollywood who's who of that era. And later in life, she reinvented herself as an artist and photographer. and in 1974 she secured an exclusive photo shoot and interview with none other than the Cuban leader Fidel Castro, as Ben Henderson learned from the BBC archives.

52:46Gina Lollabrigida was born the daughter of an Italian furniture maker in 1927. During the Second World War, her family moved to Rome, where she found success in beauty contests and one day she was scouted for the big screen while walking down the street. She discussed her early career with film knights Sherrod and Morley. Was it very difficult at that time in the 50s to make your name outside your own country? I mean, I didn't do anything concerning the publicity. It was the public that made me a star. You know, I did, for instance, the first movie was Fanfala Tulip and when it came out I had my name very small and Gerard Philippe, of course, was a big, big name.

53:31But after one week in Champs -Élysées, they changed completely all the, how do you say, the poster and they made my picture big, my name big. You know, they did it. I didn't push myself. Lola Brigida starred in mainly Italian films at first, but in 1950, her then-husband took some publicity shots of her in a bikini. The photos caught the attention of Howard Hughes, the richest man in the world and a film producer. Such was his obsession that he flew Lollabrigida to the US, tried to make her divorce her husband and bombarded her with marriage proposals. He wasn't the last to find her irresistible.

54:13But you speak very good English. You know why? Tell me why. This is Gina chatting to the BBC's Simon D. Should I? Yes, why, why, why? A lot of English nice friends taught me to speak English. Mostly men, you mean? Of course. I see.

54:35Lola Brigida returned to Europe where she established her reputation. She was often referred to as the most beautiful woman in the world. In 1953, her first English language film, opposite Humphrey Bogart in Beat the Devil, began a series of starring roles alongside cinema's leading men, including Errol Flynn in Crossed Swords, Rock Hudson and Frank Sinatra. Her most celebrated films included Trapeze in 1956 and the 1960s romantic comedy Buona Serra, Mrs. Campbell. Do you hear what I'm saying? Do you want to fish on the sides of Adeline? You're a man. You're a trumpet. I didn't hear my name mentioned.

55:18Can you do a triple? Can you? The name, Campbell, where did you get that? From the soup. You named yourself a soup? I had to. The only other American name I knew was Coca-Cola. I couldn't call myself Mrs Coca-Cola. Lollabrigida was pitted against another queen of Italian cinema, Sophia Loren. When asked about the rivalry, Lollabrigida said, we're as different as a fine racehorse and a goat. In 1966, she was convicted of obscenity in Italy for appearing nude in the film The Dolls, although her defence claimed she wore flesh-coloured tights. The conviction was lifted a year later. Now I think this is for the nun and for children, that picture.

56:00And I almost went to prison for that. And further controversy followed when she took advantage of Italy's recent legalisation of divorce to part ways with her husband in 1971. Your newfound freedom, do you like it? Or are you secretly longing to get a man in tow? No, I enjoy to be like that, free and happy, no trouble, no man. I mean, many around, but not someone that you can't just throw him out, you know. I mean, when you have a husband in your home and you want to send him away, it's not easy. In the 1970s, her acting roles dried up. However, rather than relax with the vast fortune she'd amassed, she decided to pursue a new career.

56:46Before I did the photography just for hobby, but a lot of magazines that publish my pictures, and in fact I went to New York and I was supposed to do some reportage for live magazine, but when they saw the picture they said, you are too good, so they ordered me a book in the same afternoon. Gina was offered a publishing deal for a photography book. When I'm doing the filming, it depends on the director, on the cameraman, on the script, on so many things. It's a collaboration. When I do a book, it's me. So I can express myself completely. So it's a work that, in a way, I like much, much more. Initially, she published photographs documenting her native Italy.

57:29But she always had an eye for the spectacular. The camera breaches the walls of Castro's island fortress. Ever since Fidel Castro came to power in 1959 and established a Soviet-allied regime, Western journalists had struggled to report from Cuba, as you can hear in this British Pathé archive. For the first time since the Cuban crisis arose, come pictures from inside Havana. But Gina wasn't one to shirk a challenge. I was interested in photographing him because he's a quite mysterious man. Nobody lately succeeded to have an interview or see him. I was in Moscow to photograph Yevtushenko and I was Neshin's King, the two big poets in Russia, I sent the letter and the book to the Cuban embassy in Moscow.

58:23And Fidel Castro answered me after four days and he accepted. Gina spent nearly two weeks with Castro in 1974. Can you tell me when you arrived there and you met him? Was he familiar with your work? Oh, yes. He knows my film quite well. and he admired me on the screen and he was very enthusiastic about my book. They sealed their friendship by exchanging watches. He engraved his, to Gina, with admiration, Fido Castro. The pictures were published in Ladies Home Journal. It was a remarkable scoop and ever the entrepreneur. Gina made a documentary about it the following year. Well, you have produced this book now.

59:05Are you afraid that when people come to look at it, they'll look at it and say, this is a book of photographs by a well-known film star and not really joint you as a photographer? I really did the book to satisfy myself. For one time in my life, I said, this is my luxury. I want to do something that I like, something really good. I didn't care about the money I was spending and I wanted something nice. Then when the book was out, and not even the people, but even the credit was successful, I really was moved. I was more than happy.

59:50In later life, Lola Brigida became a sculptor and even attempted to launch a political career, running for the Italian Senate aged 95. In 2018, she was honoured with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. But I did movies in Hollywood, I did movies in England, in Italy, in Africa, all over the world. And they loved me and I tried to give all my best in all the movies. So I thank you for the honor I have today. I didn't expect, but I am really happy and thank you, all of you. Ben Henderson, remembering the life and work of Gina Lollobrigida, one of the most famous individuals to have emerged from Italy's recent history.

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From the publisher

Max Pearson presents a collection of the week's Witness History interviews from the BBC World Service. Our guest is Scottish writer, editor and music programmer Arusa Qureshi.

We start in 1989 when the British rock band Pink Floyd played a highly controversial concert in Venice.

Then, we cover Dr Rita Levi-Montalcini whose bedroom experiments won her the Nobel Prize.

We hear from a man who worked on the Mont Blanc Tunnel, which opened in 1965.

A survivor describes Florence's devastating flood in 1966.

Finally, the story of how the actress Gina Lollobrigida interviewed Cuba's leader Fidel Castro.

Contributors:

Fran Tomasi and Andrea Pattaro - witnesses to Pink Floyd's Venice concert.

Arusa Qureshi - Scottish writer, editor and music programmer.

Franco Cuaz - Mont Blanc Tunnel's first operations manager.

Antonina Bargellini - survivor of the Florence flood.

(Photo: Pink Floyd performing in Venice. Credit: Andrea Pattaro)

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