Russian revolutionaries and Japan’s record breaking rollercoaster

1 Aug 2025 · 51 min · 12 chapters

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In short

A BBC History Hour episode linking four past events: a 1907 London loan that helped set up the Russian Social Democratic Party’s split (Bolsheviks vs Mensheviks), the 2000 Basque assassination of independence politician Juan Mari Haurégui, Cleveland’s 1986 balloon world-record stunt and its fallout, and the 2007 abandonment of Chile’s Chuquicamata mining town due to pollution.

Guests/backgrounds

Vicky Fargham (researcher/host segment using Henry Brailsford’s 1947 archive), Dr. Lara Dowd (Assistant Professor of Russian History, Northumbria University), Kurt Brooks (interviewer), Steve Okamoto (rollercoaster designer; Steel Dragon 2000), Ben Henderson (interviewer), Maixabel Lasa (widow of Juan Mari; later works with victims), Colm Flynn (interviewer), Tom Holowalk (project manager, Cleveland Balloon Fest 1986), Robin Markwell (reporter), Patricia Rojas (former Chuquicamata resident).

Key claims & notable examples

Lenin’s 1907 conference at New Southgate in a “Socialist Church” was funded by Joseph Fels’s £500 loan; Lenin’s speech “split” the factions, later leading to Bolshevik dominance. Haurégui was shot by ETA on 29 July 2000; Maixabel later met the killer Luis Carrasco and describes reconciliation after ETA’s ceasefire. Cleveland released 1.5 million helium balloons on 27 Sept 1986; Guinness later refused further attempts due to environmental harm, and balloons disrupted flights and contributed to a water tragedy. Chuquicamata (largest open-pit copper mine) was emptied in 2007 after residents were told living there was hazardous; Patricia describes the town’s ghostly remains and annual return visits.

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Setting the Stage: The Russian Revolution

1:23 to 2:18

Explore key historical events leading to the Russian Revolution.

“with me, Max Pearson, the past brought to life by those who were there.”

The Crisis of 1907: A Loan to Revolutionaries

2:18 to 8:22

Delve into the intriguing story of a loan that aided Russian revolutionaries.

“This was in 1907, when the men who would go on to lead the Russian Revolution almost failed to make it to a crucial meeting.”

The Impact of the Russian Revolution

8:22 to 11:30

Understand the global repercussions of the Bolshevik split and revolution.

“In this conference he was sorting out those he could trust and rejecting the rest.”

Britain as a Refuge: Political Tolerance

11:30 to 14:00

Discuss Britain's role as a refuge for political radicals and revolutionaries.

“The model that Lenin and the Bolsheviks establish and, you know, develop, it develops under Stalinism is exported across Eastern Europe in the wake of the Second World War.”

Overview of Revolutionary Refugees in London

14:00 to 15:34

Learn about various groups of refugees in London during the revolutionary era.

“We've got French refugees from the Revolutionary and Napoleonic eras.”

Designing the Steel Dragon 2000

15:34 to 24:07

Discover the story behind the creation of Japan's record-breaking roller coaster.

“Lara Dowd's assistant professor of Russian history at Northumbria University.”

The Assassination of Juan Marie Haurégui

24:07 to 28:00

Explore the events leading to the assassination of a Basque politician.

“Just to spend the time with the people there who had been working on it, they were just phenomenal.”

The Tragic Story of Juan Mari

28:00 to 33:58

Learn about Juan Mari's assassination and the aftermath of political violence in Spain.

“I still had the receipt from our wedding day, so I brought it with me to compare prices.”

Cleveland's Balloon Fest: A Record-Breaking Event

33:58 to 42:01

Explore the ambitious balloon release event in Cleveland and its unforeseen consequences.

“Next, we're going to the US, where in the 1980s, the city of Cleveland, Ohio, was struggling to recover from a dramatic downturn in economic fortunes over the previous couple of decades.”

Cleveland's Balloon Fest 86

42:01 to 43:16

Learn about the record-breaking event of 1.5 million balloons released in Cleveland.

“500 ,000 people had to figure out how to leave downtown Cleveland and get back to where they lived.”
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Chukikamata: A Ghost Town

43:17 to 47:24

Discover the story of Chukikamata, a once-thriving mining town in Chile now abandoned due to pollution.

“but one which clings on to a tiny bit of its past glory.”

Memories of Home: Patricia's Story

47:24 to 50:54

Hear Patricia Rojas reflect on her life and memories in Chukikamata, a place that holds significant emotional value.

“Today, Chukikamata stands empty, a ghost town with a real Wild West flavour.”
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1:22Hello and welcome to the History Hour from the BBC World Service with me, Max Pearson, the past brought to life by those who were there. Coming up, from the year 2000, the political assassination in the Basque region of northern Spain of a long-time campaigner for independence. One thing that really struck me was the fact he had the smile on his face. A smile that said to me, yes, they have killed me, but we are going to win. Plus, the death of a mining town in Chile, Cleveland's botched balloon world record, and from Japan, a record-breaking roller coaster. It was definitely, was a huge statement.

2:01I think the ride budget itself was something like$50 million. All of those events happened in the past and to a greater or lesser extent left their mark. But first, a moment when the great tides of history turned on perhaps the smallest of events, the loan of the price of a ticket for a boat journey. This was in 1907, when the men who would go on to lead the Russian Revolution almost failed to make it to a crucial meeting. Vicky Fargham has been listening to an archive report from the British journalist Henry Brailsford, recorded for the BBC in 1947. It's May 1907 and we're in London, in the newsroom of the Daily News.

2:45Into my office, with a look of excitement and anxiety on his face, walked Fedor Rothstein, an able journalist. He was the son of a well-known Russian doctor and had come to London with his exiled father as a schoolboy. On this spring day, he startled me by asking me to lend, beg or borrow for him immediately a sum of 500 pounds. What for, do you suppose? The Russian Social Democratic Party needed it and it couldn't wait a day. Henry Brailsford doesn't have£500, but he is sympathetic to the cause of the Russian Social Democratic Party, which is to overthrow Russia's autocrat Tsar Nicholas II. In our innocence, many of us imagined that Tsardom was the last and the worst of the tyrannies that scourged mankind, and we were eager to see it fall.

3:44Rothstein explains the urgent need for the£500. He revealed that the party was meeting in Congress of all places in the world at New Southgate in the northern suburbs of London. The sittings had run on for three weeks, but now they were nearly over. And somehow the 300 delegates would have to find their way back to Russia. But the party was stony broke. The cheapest way home would be by sea, and£500 was the smallest sum on which the thing could be done. I asked Rothstein how on earth the party had got into such a predicament. It's a bizarre tale involving a sail around the Nordic seas. They had originally intended to hold their conference just outside the group of the Tsarist police at Helsingfors in Finland.

4:39But just as they were about to meet, the Tsar struck a blow at Finnish liberties and the party had to change its plans. And so those Russian socialists chartered a ship and sailed for Copenhagen. There the Danish police, fearing the Tsar's anger, forbade them to land. They sailed on cheerfully to Stockholm. but there, once again, the same thing happened. There was still one hope left. They would try England. Their things went better. They landed safely on the shores of the Thames. Our English police force in those days, if it wasn't exactly hospitable, was at least indifferent. Well, after that fantastic journey in search of the right of free discussion, it wasn't surprising that the funds of this adventurous party were exhausted.

5:44It's not just a lack of funds tiring out the party members, but infighting. This would turn out to be the last ever united congress of the Russian Social Democrats. At this period, they were split into two warring factions which differed furiously over tactics. The hardline Bolsheviks want a rapid socialist revolution led by workers and peasants, while the Mensheviks believe in a slower path through cooperation with liberals and the gradual building of democracy. The aim of the Congress is to try and heal these deep divisions and agree a way forward. but all of it will count for nothing if they are marooned in London.

6:25After some reflection, Brailsford thinks of a man who may be able to stump up the Russians for her home. Joseph Fels was an eccentric and generous millionaire who had made his money in America from a popular household soap. He was born in Russia and had fled in his early days from the land of pogroms to New York. So I guessed that he might have a fellow feeling for these rebels stranded on our shores. So off we went, wrote Stein and I, to Fels' office in the city. Fels readily agrees to hand over the money, and soon the three men are in a cab to the Congress via Fels' bank. The party was meeting in a rough temporary building made of corrugated iron, known as the Socialist Church.

7:17we were shown up to the gallery. On the floor below us a lady was speaking to an audience that listened with rapt attention. He spoke easily. There wasn't a trace of fatigue. Though in those days I knew no Russian one could tell that this was a closely reasoned speech without rhetoric and without the distractions of emotion. From time to time, however, he made a joke. doubtless at the expense of his opponents, at which everybody laughed. Finally, he sat down, manifestly well content, for in this speech he had contrived to split the Russian Social Democratic Party beyond repair. Rather than uniting the two factions, the conference marks the point of no return for the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks.

8:11It also consolidates Vladimir Lenin as the leader of the Bolsheviks. Within five years he will expel the Mensheviks and the movement will go on to become the Russian Communist Party. In this conference he was sorting out those he could trust and rejecting the rest. It looked at the time like the tactics of a fanatic. But this fanatic, as history was to show, was also a realist with an uncanny gift of foresight. After Lennon sits down, the conference audience breaks into its opposing factions. Evidently, the news ran round among the delegates that there were friends in the gallery who had brought the money for which they were hoping.

8:58One by one, the leaders came up to thank us. First up, Georgi Plakonov representing the Mensheviks. I still recall with pleasure his graceful manners and the perfect French in which he thanked us. Down below, meanwhile, on the floor of the church, with a cluster of his friends around him, Lenin was moving towards the iron ladder that led to the gallery. They were joking and laughing, and finally they pushed the sturdy, bear-like figure of their leader up the ladder. What, I wondered, were they saying? Comrade, you've got to do it. Up you go. and thank the queer old bourgeois who's rescued us in the nick of time.

9:47He didn't make a formal speech, just a few words of thanks in German, rather brusquely spoken. And then he sat down beside Joseph Fels. A document is drawn up promising to repay Fels' loan of£500 after the victory of the revolution in Russia. And now for the end of my story. thanks to Fels' money most of the delegates got safely home to Russia ten years after that obscure conference of penniless rebels and exiles in the tin tabernacle at New Southgate the workers of St. Petersburg swept the Tsar of all the Russias from his throne the bankrupt party which had borrowed its fair home from Joseph Fels remembered its debt in the hour of victory.

10:43In the interval, that kindly and generous personality had died. But the£500 owing to him was duly paid to his widow. Vicky Farncombe took us through that archive recording of the journalist Henry Brailsford, who died in 1958. Vladimir Lenin led the Soviet Union until his death in 1924. his embalmed body remains on display in Moscow's Red Square to this day. Dr. Lara Dowds is Assistant Professor of Russian History at Northumbria University in the UK. The early 1900s was an extraordinarily consequential moment in history because of that split between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks, and that had enormous consequences for the whole world.

11:30The model that Lenin and the Bolsheviks establish and, you know, develop, it develops under Stalinism is exported across Eastern Europe in the wake of the Second World War. But there are many other, you know, beyond Europe, this kind of influence in, you know, on decolonization in the mid 20th century, you know, sort of Cold War's hijacking decolonization in Africa and many other places, leading to sort of proxy wars in a place like Congo in the 60s or Angola from the 70s onwards. You know, the Russian Revolution inspires, you know, communist movements and regimes in China. It becomes a sort of model or a point of departure in China from the 1920s, you know, until the establishment of the People's Republic there in 1949.

12:23And it's not only in spreading communism, but it's also the way in which, you know, the Russian Revolution inspires anti-communism and fascism. You know, the fascist movement identifies itself as against communism in many senses. So it's inspiring radical responses. It also inspires, you know, even in Britain and in the West, you know, the welfare state by prompting governments, you know, in Britain and elsewhere to kind of implement social reforms to stop the spread of communism. So, you know, there are so many ways in which it really has a huge global impact. And back to those meetings in coffeehouses and church halls where the struggle for the heart of Russian socialism was taking place in the early 1900s.

13:13Why was Britain more tolerant, if not exactly welcoming, than other countries in allowing these revolutionaries to assemble on its soil? Britain had a long tradition of priding itself on being a refuge for political refugees. You know, this is dating back to Magna Carta, which has clauses that say, you know, aliens or foreigners should enjoy rights under British law. And this becomes part of the kind of national conversation, I suppose. And it's really put into practice, you know, from the 17th century onwards, where we see waves of emigres fleeing political and religious persecution from all over Europe.

13:57So we've got, you know, the Protestant Huguenots famously coming after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes, 1685. We've got French refugees from the Revolutionary and Napoleonic eras. Of course, many Jews from Eastern Europe in the late 19th century and many, many political radicals, anarchists, not only from Russia, but from Italy. Malatesta, I'm thinking of here in the late 19th century. And then we end up by the first decade of the 20th century with these radical Marxists who see London as a kind of safe haven. Why did Lenin bother to try to pay back the loan? It's 1922 that the Soviet government decides actually that it's going to pay back this money.

14:42And it's really, I think, signaling a change in Lenin's approach to the economy. It's a period from 1921 of a new economic policy where Lenin is forced to make a kind of tactical retreat away from the war communist style economy. and to reintroduce a degree of capitalism in the Soviet Union because of the devastation of the economy, of grain production, of industry. And so he wants to, you know, part of this is to restart foreign trade. And it's at this point that he's pursuing an Anglo-Soviet trade agreement. And the debt that's, you know, repaid eventually to Fels' widow, Mary Fels, is repaid in 1922, at this point when the Soviet government is resuming these trade negotiations.

15:33That's Dr. Lara Dowd's assistant professor of Russian history at Northumbria University. Now, I'm not a great fan of roller coasters, but I might be in a minority because millions of people ride them every year. And every now and then, a new ride is opened, which raises the bar for the rest. That's what happened 25 years ago when Steel Dragon 2000 opened to the public in Japan. Kurt Brooks has been hearing from the designer.

16:03This ride, it was on a little computer screen for a year and a half. So to actually see it in real life was phenomenal. It was just so big.

16:20Located at the Nagashima Spa Land Park in Kawana, Japan it was built by American amusement company D.H. Morgan Manufacturing. When it opened on the 1st of August 2000 it censored the record books of being the longest roller coaster on the planet at just under two and a half kilometres. It also took the records for the fastest and highest roller coaster as well as having the biggest drop. Steel Dragon 2000 was designed by Steve Okamoto. Born in 1957 in California, Steve had worked in Amusement since the late 1970s and before designing the massive adrenaline pumping Steel Dragon, had worked on rides across North America and Europe.

17:03One of the first rides that I designed myself was at the Expo 86 in Vancouver and that ride later moved to Six Flags over Mid-America and that ride is the Ninja. Another ride that I did the first Seven Looper, that was the Shockwave and that was at Six Flags at Chicago. What can you tell us about the first time that you heard about Steel Dragon 2000? We were also talking to a park in America called Cedar Point about possibly building a ride like Steel Dragon 2000. And we were also talking to this Japanese company. But I think that they thought that we were going to be building this ride for Cedar Point.

17:53So they felt like we didn't have the ability to build the ride for them. But Steve says going out to Japan himself helped seal the deal. My wife and I were going to visit some friends of ours that lived in Singapore. And I said, well, maybe I should see if we can stop in Japan and I could go ride some of the big rides that they have in Japan.

18:20We kind of got in touch with this company, looked at their site and met with the owner of the park. and I had a little sit-down with them and then they decided that they would work with us and we ended up getting the contract to build that ride for them. And Steve says the brief they were given was very ambitious. Mr. Otani, who owned the Nagashima Spa Land Park, I think that he felt like he wanted a statement. It definitely was a huge statement. And I think the ride budget itself was something like$50 million. Someone telling you to design a massive roller coaster is simple enough. But what's the reality of it?

19:03It's really pretty basic physics. So the higher you go, the faster you can go. And we try to get the twists and turns in there to give you an exciting ride, an exhilarating ride. We look a lot at the forces that the people are subjected to. We try to limit the G's that you feel it to not something that's going to black you out. And Steve says special considerations have to be made, given that the amusement park is in a country known for its tectonic activity and sometimes wild weather. This ride sits right on the coast, so in addition to just being holding up a 300-foot-tall ride, it was really massive because of all the earthquake and typhoon regulations that we had to meet.

19:55When Steel Dragon 2000 was announced in November 1999, construction was already underway on what would be the tallest roller coaster in the world, Millennium Force, at Cedar Point in the United States. But Steve knew this record wouldn't last very long.

20:16Cedar Point comes out and they say, well, our ride is going to be 310 feet high. At that point, we had not said how tall our ride was going to be. Knowing that we're about a foot and a half higher than Cedar Point, we were kind of like, well, maybe we shouldn't say because maybe Cedar Point would go out and, I don't know, dig a hole underneath their ride to make theirs higher. And the reason behind this was down to Steve's Japanese heritage. The guys from the Japanese company had come in and they are saying, well, this ride is 94.2 meters high. The owner doesn't like it because he feels like this is not a good number.

21:01I do know that four is an unlucky number in Japan. So at that point, I just said, well, maybe we should just make it 95 meters. And immediately they were very happy. At 95 metres, we were about a foot and a half higher than 310 feet. When Steel Dragon 2000 opened on the 1st of August, Steve says it broke a series of world records, including taking the tallest rollercoaster record from Millennium Force at Cedar Point. It was the tallest ride, which was 95 metres. It had the biggest drop, which was 93.5 metres. The highest speed, which was 95 miles an hour, and it was the longest ride, which was, I think it's 8 ,100 feet long.

21:52To break one record, let alone four at the same time, was just amazing to me. And Steve says that on the opening night, the park went all out to celebrate. They'd had a big, big party. I mean, they put out this big, huge spread and the Guinness people were there and they presented Nagashima with the records. They lit the ride up with so many lights. I mean, I was staying at a hotel, I think, that was about 30 miles away. I could look out the window and I could see the ride lit up. And the reaction from the riders was very satisfying. Oh my goodness, it's just so fulfilling to stand there and watch people.

22:38They come on, they get on there, and they go for a ride, and they come back, and they're so excited. They've had such a good time. What was it like for you riding Steel Dragon that first time? It's funny because I think I'm probably a lot more critical of the ride because in my head I've ridden it hundreds of times. So I know how I want it to feel and to ride it and have it actually do that. It was a pretty amazing feeling and a little humbling to see this big thing that a year and a half before was just imagination. Everything was just in such big proportion. And I knew the little support columns out there that looked like they were little sticks were actually 36 inches in diameter.

23:2925 years on, Steel Dragon 2000 is still a huge draw for Nagashima Spa Land. And although it has since lost records for its height, speed and drop, thrill seekers from around the globe still flock to the roller coaster, which is still the longest in the world. The one record that we set with this ride that I think will last for a long time is just the length because people just don't build rides that are over a mile and a half long. It's a lot of investment. How do you look back on your time working on Steel Dragon 2000? I just have a good feeling about it. It was just such a good ride. Just to spend the time with the people there who had been working on it, they were just phenomenal.

24:14So it was an all-around great experience, I think.

24:24Rollercoaster designer Steve Okamoto. I suppose it's a job that someone has to do. He was speaking to Kurt Brooks in that Made in Manchester production for the BBC World Service. Still to come, a mining town in Chile, abandoned nearly 20 years ago. And from 1986, Cleveland, Ohio's attempt to set a world record with balloons. It was beautiful. It looked like confetti going up. That was great! Totally awesome! People cried. People said this is the most important thing that ever happened in our city. But first, an assassination in Spain's Basque country. This was in July 2000, and the victim was the retired politician Juan Marie Haurégui.

25:07He'd been involved in the Basque independence movement for decades. Curiously, on the morning he was killed, he woke in a cold sweat after a nightmare, as his wife, Maishabel Lassa, has been telling Ben Henderson. Juan Mari told me he had a dream. In the dream he was with his friend and they were meeting up for coffee. And when he got in the car, they killed him. I was a little shocked, of course, by what he said. I reassured him. I said, don't worry, it's only a dream. Dreams don't come true.

25:48We met each other a long, long time ago in a very small village which only had about 1 ,400 inhabitants. We were in the same year group at the school. More or less every Sunday we went on day trips to the mountains. Always, ever since we were little. Juan Mari was my best friend. I had so much trust in him. We started going out romantically when we were about 17 years old.

26:19Between the Atlantic coastline of northwest Spain and the foothills of the Pyrenees, there are nearly 3 million people who consider themselves a separate and forgotten nation. Not Spanish, but Basque. Fiercely proud of his Basque heritage, Juan Marí wanted an independent Basque state. At the heart of the independence movement was the Spanish Civil War of the 1930s, in which most Basques sided with the Republicans against General Franco's nationalists. First pictures from the Basque Republic of the holy city of Guernica, scene of the most terrible air radar modern history yet can boast. Hundreds were killed here, men, women and children.

26:58Under Franco's repressive dictatorship, a Basque resistance group emerged called ETA, which stands for Ayouskadita Ascatasuna, meaning Basque Homeland and Freedom. Juanmari joined Eta's cultural wing, but the group became increasingly violent, assassinating Spain's prime minister in 1973. That year, Juanmari left and eventually joined the socialists. It must be said that Juanmari was a man who lived politics intensely. He was a political animal. As he climbed the political ladder, Juanmari condemned Eta, who killed a number of his friends and colleagues. So, when the socialists lost power in 1996, he moved to Chile for his own safety.

27:39Every three months he'd come back to the Basque country to be with his friends and family. In July of the year of 2000, on the 23rd of July, we celebrated our silver wedding anniversary. So we had a big family meal in the same restaurant where we were married 25 years before. I still had the receipt from our wedding day, so I brought it with me to compare prices. We ordered the starters, the jamón, the fried calamari, classic Basque style, with everyone celebrating around a big table. It was a beautiful day. Less than a week later, on the 29th of July, Juan Marie wakes from his disturbing dream.

28:27And when he got in the car, they killed him. After Maisha Bell's reassurances, Juan Marie travels to meet a friend for coffee, just as he dreamt the night before. When the friends sit down, two members of an ETA unit walk in. One acts as lookout while the second approaches Juan Marie and fires two bullets into his head from point-blank range. There have been protests in northern Spain against the shooting of a local politician by suspected Basque separatists. The former governor was shot dead as he sat in a cafe. It was the seventh killing linked to Eto terrorists since the end of their ceasefire last December.

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29:06When I heard what happened, I immediately went to the hospital. It seems like he might survive at that point, but he died soon after. I was allowed to see his body. He had a bandage on his head, and it seemed he was sleeping. One thing that really struck me was the fact he had the smile on his face. a smile that said to me, yes, they have killed me, but we are going to win. We who are against violence, who try to find a way for people to live together peacefully. That was his vision. And that's what he was telling me with his smile. I think rather than rage, it was a feeling of impotence, of powerlessness, because Juan Mari was always a very moral person in everything he did.

29:58I just felt, how can Eta kill someone who is trying to do so much good? We scattered Juan Mari's ashes in a place in the mountains, where we also built a shrine to him. We chose that spot because it was a place we always passed by when we ate at one of our favourite restaurants. Two or three times the shrine was attacked and broken, but every time we repaired it. Following Juanmary's murder, Maixabel worked to help victims of political violence and highlight their suffering, weakening ETA's support. Personally, the job was incredibly helpful for me, because I was able to put my own pain to one side and focus on the pain of others.

30:46They'd gone through the same thing I had. It was difficult, but helpful. Over the next decade, support for ETA declined. The European Union declared it a terrorist organisation in 2001, and disaffection even penetrated the prisons where the group's most violent members were serving long sentences. Among them was Luis Carrasco, the lookout for Juan Marí's murder. In 2010, Maishabel received a letter. Carrasco wanted to take responsibility for his actions. The meeting took place in the jail where Luis Carrasco was serving his sentence. When we arrived, we were brought to a really small room with a round table, three chairs, three glasses and a bottle of water.

31:30And then, when Luis entered the room, I remember thinking that he was really nervous. I saw a person who lost all self-esteem. I was calm and we talked for about three hours. During the conversation, I realised very quickly that the perpetrators didn't actually know who Juan Mari was. They received orders that he had to be killed and they followed them. Luis asked for my forgiveness and I said that I was not going to give him my forgiveness there and then. But one thing I did want to give him was a second chance. In January 2011, Etta declared a ceasefire. Maishabel was now concerned with how Etta would be remembered.

32:19freedom fighters or terrorists. I didn't think the meeting would affect me, but it did. When I left, it felt like I'd taken off a really heavy backpack, like I was floating. And it was because I realised that Luis didn't feel like a hero. In fact, the opposite. He felt incredibly repentant, and that gave me a certain peace of mind. Maixabel and Luis Carrasco have met many times since, and ETA officially disbanded in 2018. Carrasco was released from prison, and their story was made into a film. I met a girl who'd seen the film, and she wanted to get to know Luis. So I introduced them. I'm not sure if they're still together, but I still maintain a relationship with Luis.

33:12and I actually think that the work he's doing in sharing his story and explaining how he got involved in ETA and how he decided to leave it is extremely important. When he killed Juan Mari, he lost his dignity. Now he has regained some of that dignity. No matter how bad a person is, if he changes to live a better life, it's a much better outcome than condemning him, At least that's how I understand life.

33:50Maisha Balassa is retired now, but she still speaks in public about her story of loss and a degree of reconciliation. She was speaking to Ben Henderson. Next, we're going to the US, where in the 1980s, the city of Cleveland, Ohio, was struggling to recover from a dramatic downturn in economic fortunes over the previous couple of decades. Then someone came up with the bright idea of burnishing the city's image by putting on an event that would set a world record. They would stage the largest ever balloon launch. Colm Flynn has been hearing the story from someone who is closely involved in that event.

34:29They came down by the hundreds of thousands. Wow. It's the most people that had descended on the center of Cleveland. When the balloons were released, people just stood there and screamed and yelled and cheered. It was beautiful. It looked like confetti going up. That was great. Totally awesome. People cried. People said this is the most important thing that ever happened in our city. It is awesome, ladies and gentlemen, to actually be down here and see the multi-colors that are going up in the air at this moment. I was struck first by the beauty of this strange amorphous blob that consisted of multiple colors.

35:11It created this creature, wrapped itself around the terminal tower in downtown Cleveland, and I was just transfixed. That's Tom Holowalk, remembering the moment over 1.5 million helium balloons were released in downtown Cleveland, Ohio, in the USA, on the 27th of September, 1986. All broadcast live on a local network, WJW-TV. The Guinness Book of World Records has just been broken in Cleveland. Cleveland had just broken the world record for the most amount of balloons released in one go. But not all went to plan. In fact, after it, the Guinness Book of Records said they would no longer accept any new attempts at this record because of its harm to the environment.

36:05Tom Holowalk was the project manager of the Cleveland Balloon Fest and explains how this stunt was meant to be what put the city of Cleveland back on the map. Cleveland was in at the beginning of the modern steel industry. Cleveland, like a lot of American cities, had gone through its peak of manufacturing sometime in the 60s and 70s, and gradually as what we grew to call the rust belt cities or the rust belt states in many cases, lost their manufacturing businesses to offshoring. And so the downtown had died. And Tom, I know that even a few years before this, the river in Cleveland, the Cuyahoga River, it had caught fire.

36:48And Cleveland had a nickname. What was it? The mistake on the lake. And they were looking for something to make them look like a winner again. Suddenly there was this revitalization of the city in slightly different ways. Cleveland was trying to have a renaissance. They needed something big, something dramatic and something fun that would give the city a new image. And that's when they came up with the idea of breaking the world record for the most balloons released in one go. This was just what Cleveland needed as a shot in the arm to put them back on the map as a place that wasn't a loser. Tom was originally from California.

37:31He was hired as the project manager and came up with the idea of building a huge net that would cover the entire square of downtown Cleveland. The idea was that from four in the morning, adults, children and families would start filling balloons with helium and letting them go to raise up and gather under the net. Then at 2pm, the net would be released and all the balloons would go up at once. Simple. This was billed as the most exciting event that Cleveland had ever seen. So everybody thought this would be great. And so you had a lot of buy-in from everyone about civic pride, really. Everyone was proud of their city.

38:17Tom and his team were preparing for months. But then, the night before, disaster struck.

38:27As you can see behind me back there, the seam in the tarpaulin that covers the balloon bin, that was torn during the storm. This is Tom Holowock, the site manager. We were not sure if it was going to work or not because the night before we had a mini tornado. We had what was called a microburst and it basically ripped up the tarps and my boss was about to give up. And I said, no, no, no, we'll stay up all night and fix it. We're also talking about one long, wet night. Bob and Doreen. Tom and his team worked all night repairing the damage left by the storm. Then at around 4 a.m., the first of the 2 ,500 volunteers arrived and started to fill the 1.5 million balloons.

39:17The 2 ,500 high school students will be inflating 4 ,500 balloons per minute for up to six hours. The radio stations and TV stations had a field day. We had helicopters up in the air doing aerial shots. You are looking at a live helicopter shot of the top of a gigantic mushroom of balloons to be released at 2 p.m.

39:44But when 2 p.m. arrived and the balloons were released, something strange happened. The balloons didn't rise up and just float away as everyone had expected them to. Due to strong winds and a cold front, the balloons decided to stick around, all 1.5 million of them, just hovering above the entire city. There was a temperature inversion where cold air overrode the warm air, and it created a ceiling and spread out all over the place. And so the nice thing was is that it gave people so much more time to look at it. The balloons, like a giant cloud, rose over the square while others tumbled and danced against the buildings.

40:29The crowd loved it. I was actually kind of enjoying it because it was different and because it gave people a chance to look at it longer. The balloons floated and floated some more right across the entire city, then over the highways, and then over the airport, disrupting flights. And started descending onto Burke Lakefront Airport and filled the Cleveland Harbor. Sadly, at the same time, a tragedy had occurred on Lake Erie. Two people had fallen from a boat, and their families would go on to sue the organizers of the balloon fest, saying that because of the amount of multicolored balloons on the water, it was impossible for the Coast Guard to locate the two missing men.

41:13We'll never do anything like that again because of pollution and things like that. You know, the balloons are latex, which is biodegradable. But at the time, we didn't realize that when they do fall into the water, the sea turtles have a tendency to think that those floating things are morsels. Years later, the story of the Cleveland Balloon Fest went viral again. But this time, it wasn't labeled a success. It was labeled a disaster. But that's not how Tom remembers it. The Balloon Fest of 86 was a horrible disaster. And I said, what are you talking about? Yes, it was an exciting success. It was the peak moment of my life.

41:55It was not ruined by anything. None of us thought it was a disaster at the time. Everybody seemed to be having fun. 500 ,000 people had to figure out how to leave downtown Cleveland and get back to where they lived. Because of increasing environmental awareness, the Guinness Book of Records said that they were retiring this world record and would no longer accept new attempts to break it. So forevermore, it will be the city of Cleveland that holds the record. 1.5 million balloons released in one go on the 27th of September in 1986. I frankly enjoyed it. I liked watching the balloons floating on the water.

42:36I loved watching the kids try and catch them. It was a proud moment for me because I felt like we had overcome the impossible. It was really one of the peak experiences of my life. I did something that people said couldn't be done, and will probably never ever be seen again. And it's fun to be a part of something like that. The Guinness Book of World Records has just been broken in Cleveland. Over$1 ,500 ,000.

43:08Oh dear, Colin Flynn was speaking to Tom Holowocke, project manager for Cleveland's Balloon Fest 86. Finally this week, we're visiting a ghost town, but one which clings on to a tiny bit of its past glory. This is the story of a former copper mining community in Chile, but one where the fear of pollution finally drove the population away. Here's Robin Markwell. I'm taking you back to 2007, when an entire town in northern Chile was abandoned. For the 25 ,000 people who lived there, it was a huge wrench. People like Patricia Rojas. I personally had a hard time. I cried so, so, so mad when I had to leave, but I didn't want to leave here.

44:01I'm getting upset because it was really hard for me, because every time the transfer person called me, I would ask, what's the last day that you have got? Give me that one, because I just didn't want to leave. Patricia, her husband and her three children used to live in the bustling mining town of Chukikamata. It's in the Atacama Desert, one of the driest places on Earth and high up in the Andes Mountains. The landscape is rocky and bleak, almost lunar, but beautiful too, and there is huge wealth here. It comes from beneath the ground.

44:51El cobre means copper, the red metal that has made Chile rich. Chile now provides a quarter of the world's supply. And Chukicamata, or Chuky for short, is home to the largest open-pit copper mine on the planet. A hole that's six kilometres long and one kilometre deep is so big you can see it from space.

45:19The mine workers were housed in a smart, purpose-built town just next door. This documentary from 1953 describes their new accommodation developed by the mine's then-American owners.

45:37And it wasn't just housing. There was a football stadium, the Estadio Anaconda, an Art Deco-themed theatre and a state-of-the-art hospital too. The first family that came here lived in very, very, very bad conditions. Over time, things started to change. We got to have good houses and a lot of benefits. Within the town, there was a clear social hierarchy, according to the jobs that people had when working in the mine. When I came here, there were three roles, which were role A, which was the executives or the bosses. Role B, which was all the employees. And role C, which was all the labourers.

46:21Patricia raised her family in Chucky while her husband worked in the mine. Everything was paid for by the mining company. Water, gas, electricity, education. But the mine grew and grew, and the heaps of rubble that the firm had been dumping around the town became taller and taller, with large amounts of dust swirling in the air. The pollution grew worse until one day the residents were given the bad news. The mine's owners, the state-owned firm Kadelko, had decided living in Chukki was now hazardous to their health. They must leave. Patricia and her family were moved to the town of Kalama, 15 kilometres away.

46:58She'd been in Chukki-Kamata for 25 years. So for me, I tell you, it was very difficult. I did talk to lots of other people at some point. I mean, well, I didn't get the press, but I know other people who did. They wanted nothing to do with Kalama, nothing at all. And the thing is that they couldn't go anywhere else because their husband were still working here. Today, Chukikamata stands empty, a ghost town with a real Wild West flavour. and I've seen it for myself. I was there recently. I've now come to one of the strangest places I've ever been to. It's a completely deserted town. What makes it particularly spooky is the fact that the signs are still up, painted onto the sides of the buildings.

47:49Just over here we have a boutique, a clothes shop, and next to that a bottle shop selling wines and liquors. and to my left a bar and a social club. This looks like the party end of town. And as we walk down the hill, hundreds and hundreds of brightly painted houses, some with windows cracked, others looking like the residents only left yesterday, all abandoned. It stands both as a testament perhaps to the golden glory days of mining back in the 20th century, but also to the damage that pollution from mining can cause.

48:39But for one weekend in May each year, the silence is broken. The town is spruced up and the gates thrown open. There's a parade and a marching band to welcome the return of the residents and they stream back to see their old homes.

49:00There are speeches to celebrate the lives lived here and a chance to catch up with old friends. A third of this town is now buried in rubble and some residents find returning too painful.

49:16But others want to remind themselves of their years in Chukicamata and are campaigning for the town to become a World Heritage Site so it can be preserved forever. Every year they serenade their old town with a birthday song.

49:40Patricia and her husband run the Facebook group that keeps this community together. It's a community brought together and then torn apart by mining and on these rare days, briefly reunited once more.

49:58I lived my happiest moments here in Choquicamata. For me, it was a very safe place for my children, for my husband's work, for me. And I have the best memories. And every time I'm here in Chile, we always want to come back to remember this place that was our little love nest, because we got married and we came to live here. The settlement is now falling apart. It makes me sad that things had to be covered up, that they couldn't be preserved. Chukikamata is now disappearing. Many of the places, the houses, the buildings, but these things are out of our hands and it doesn't matter. It's the place that matters.

50:42It's always nice to go back, To come back and experience everything that we live here, all of our memories, it's always nice to remember.

50:54Robin Markwell visited Chukicamata and was speaking to Patricia Rojas, one of the former residents of the now deserted mining town in Chile. And that's it from this edition of the History Hour. We'll be digging up more gems from the past as told to us by the people who were there next week. So do join us again then. But for now, this is Max Pearson from all of us here. Thank you for listening. Goodbye. From the brilliant and bizarre It was really surreal It was a surreal kind of atmosphere there You couldn't really see anybody To the shocking and unexpected I'm just wondering what are we going to do now This was really my worst fear He found 100 % horse meat that was labelled as beef Witness the stories that have shaped our world Told by the people he would bear When he went to the factory the poodle went in front of him So the work was only all of the bosses here Many people had many things to lose by our victory.

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52:16Hello, Greg Jenner here. I'm the host of You're Dead to Me, the BBC comedy show that takes history seriously. Every episode, I pair up a top historian with a fantastic comedian, and we have a lovely, funny, fascinating chat about a different subject from world history. And in this new series, we're beginning with an epic voyage through the story of Homer, the Iliad, and the Odyssey. And that's with Kyle Smith-Bino joining us. And then we'll be learning about Francis Galton and the racist, discredited pseudoscience of eugenics with Desiree Birch. We'll meet many medieval saints in their bone boxes with Rachel Parrott.

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From the publisher

Max Pearson presents a collection of this week’s Witness History episodes from the BBC World Service.

Our guest is Dr Lara Douds, Assistant Professor of Russian history.

We start in 1907, the men who would go on to lead the Russian Revolution met in London for a crucial congress marking a point of no return between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks.

Then, in 2000, the launch of Steel Dragon 2000 at Nagashima Spa Land in Japan, becoming the world’s longest rollercoaster at nearly 2.5 km in length.

Next, the political assisination of Juan Mari Jauregui, a retired Spanish politician and long-time campaigner for independence, by Basque separatists in 2000.

Plus, how in 1986, during a world record attempt and publicity stunt, one and a half million balloons were released as a storm rolled over the city.

Finally, the story of Chuquicamata, Chile’s abandoned mining town after its 25,000 residents left due to pollution concerns .

Contributors: Henry Brailsford - British journalist Dr Lara Douds - Assistant Professor of Russian history Steve Okamoto - rollercoaster designer Maixabel Lasa - widow of Juan Mari Jauregui Tom Holowatch - project manager of BalloonFest '86 Patricia Rojas - former resident of Chuquicamata

(Photo: Lenin giving a speech in Red Square. Credit: Universal History Archive/Getty Images)

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