In short
The episode is a BBC History Hour compilation covering four topics: the Battle of Mandalay (March 1945) and how BBC radio recorded the fighting; Canada’s 1950s outport resettlement program; the 1950s “New World screwworm” eradication using the sterile insect technique; and cultural/sport stories including Asha Bosley’s record-breaking playback singing career, the birth of the English Premier League (1992), and Australia’s Children’s Birthday Cake Book and its rubber ducky cake.
Guests and backgrounds
Dr Elizabeth Fondren (Associate Professor of Journalism, St John’s University; war reporting history). Catherine Harvey (interviewer) with Don White (resettled from Port Nelson, Bonavista Bay, Newfoundland). Jill Kersley (tells the screwworm story via archive). Edward Nippling (entomologist; grew up on a Texas farm, later USDA scientist). Reena Stanton-Sharma (Asha Bosley profile). David Dean (former Arsenal vice chairman; Premier League driver). Helen Ledwick (cake-book story). Agnes Lee (home economist behind the Australian Women’s Weekly children’s birthday cakes).
Key claims/examples
Mandalay fell after Fort Dufferin was encircled; war reporting moved toward “immersive” eyewitnessing. Canada relocated nearly 30,000 people to growth centres; ghost villages remain. Screwworms were stopped by releasing irradiated sterile males; Curacao test succeeded within ~60 days. Asha Bosley recorded 11,000+ songs; Premier League launched with TV/Sky money and legal maneuvering; rubber ducky cake used 3D sponge engineering and edible “chip” beak.
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Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Battle for Mandalay Begins
0:00 to 0:59
A vivid account of the Battle of Mandalay during World War II, detailing the strategies and conditions faced by soldiers.
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The Battle for Mandalay Begins
1:02 to 1:30
A vivid account of the Battle of Mandalay during World War II, detailing the strategies and conditions faced by soldiers.
The Battle for Mandalay Begins
2:16 to 4:30
A vivid account of the Battle of Mandalay during World War II, detailing the strategies and conditions faced by soldiers.
“When EMI gave me a gold disc award, they themselves said that I've sung up to seven songs in a day, which is a record.”
The Assault on Fort Dufferin
4:30 to 7:42
An intense description of the Allied forces’ assault on Fort Dufferin and the challenges they faced.
“The fort is over a mile square, and along its four sides, there runs a formidable wall of dark red brick about 30 feet high.”
Victory and Aftermath in Mandalay
7:42 to 11:28
The eventual capture of Mandalay and reflections on its significance in the larger context of the war.
“whilst we move forward down the road and once we've consolidated the position then you'll move forward on his orders Right, you want me in position now at that southern corner, do you?”
War Reporting Evolution
11:28 to 14:00
Dr. Elizabeth Fondren discusses the evolution of war reporting and its impact on public perception and policy.
“This is really great archival footage and very unusual, I would say.”
The Evolving Role of Journalism in War
14:00 to 15:56
Learn how journalism and visual media have influenced public perception during wars.
“remembered the conflict and the suffering.”
Introduction to Resettlement in Canada
15:56 to 16:18
Discover the controversial government scheme to relocate communities in Canada during the 1950s.
Life Before Resettlement: Personal Stories
16:18 to 18:14
Hear personal accounts of life in isolated Newfoundland communities before resettlement.
“It was social engineering on a grand scale, designed to give people better lives than they had previously lived.”
The Architects of Resettlement
18:14 to 20:05
Learn about the motivations and planning behind the Newfoundland resettlement scheme.
“The main architect of the resettlement plan was Joseph R.”
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The Emotional Impact of Relocation
20:05 to 22:45
Explore the emotional and cultural impacts of relocating thousands of families.
“And there was just not enough money to link all these isolated places, you know, by a road.”
Legacy of Newfoundland's Resettlement
22:45 to 24:45
Understand how the resettlement has left a permanent mark on Newfoundland's culture.
“I don't think my father ever became settled.”
Legacy of Newfoundland's Resettlement
24:54 to 25:52
Understand how the resettlement has left a permanent mark on Newfoundland's culture.
“family meal that feeds four for just$35.”
The Fight Against the New World Screwworm
25:56 to 28:00
Discover the battle against a flesh-eating parasite affecting livestock in the 1950s.
“Still to come, how the English Premier League was born in 1992 and went on to something like global domination.”
Early Encounters with Screwworms
28:00 to 29:10
Learn about the challenges posed by screwworms in livestock.
“As a boy, he spent his days around cattle, cotton fields and livestock.”
Understanding the Screwworm Life Cycle
29:10 to 31:01
Discover how screwworms infest animals and the impact they have.
“He went on to become an entomologist, a scientist who studies insects.”
Innovative Solutions to Combat Screwworms
31:01 to 33:19
Explore Edward's groundbreaking ideas for controlling screwworm populations.
“It all was rather vague, but nevertheless it seemed that these were possibilities.”
Eradication Efforts and Challenges
33:19 to 34:23
Learn about the success and challenges of the screwworm eradication program.
“Within about three generations, which is what, about 60 days or a little more, it seemed that the screwworm had been eradicated from the island of Curacao.”
The Broader Impact of Screwworm Control
34:23 to 35:05
Understand the implications of the sterile insect technique beyond screwworms.
“The program continued and the sterile insect technique was soon being used against more than just screw worms.”
Asha Bosle: A Musical Journey
35:13 to 38:32
Learn about Asha Bosle's rise to fame and her family's influence.
“In 2011, Asha Bosley was officially named the most recorded artist in music history.”
Asha's Perspective on Evolving Music
38:32 to 40:41
Explore Asha's views on the changes in the music industry over the years.
“who had to do a lot of the leftover songs that her sister didn't want, including the sexy numbers at the beginning of her career.”
Asha Bosle's Record-Breaking Achievements
40:41 to 42:06
Discover Asha's remarkable achievements and her Guinness World Record.
“The presenter then chimes in about her song Iramina Dika from the 1957 movie Asha, which he says was popular but didn't have any meaningful lyrics.”
Asha Bosley: The Record-Breaking Legend
42:06 to 43:36
Learn about Asha Bosley's remarkable career and her Guinness World Record achievements.
“I'm actually delighted to let you know that we've just received some very exciting news.”
The Formation of the English Premier League
43:36 to 45:20
Discover the origins of the English Premier League and the key figures involved.
“Reena Stanton-Sharmer with the story of the late, great Asha Bosley.”
Challenges and Controversies in English Football
45:20 to 49:56
Understand the obstacles faced by English football leading to the Premier League's creation.
“There has been professional football leagues in England since 1888.”
Innovations and Breakthroughs in Premier League
49:56 to 51:57
Explore the innovations that transformed the Premier League into a global phenomenon.
“But after the High Court dismissed the Football League's case, the plans for the Premier League were approved in February 1992.”
Cake Baking Revolution in Australia
51:57 to 56:04
Learn about the creation of the iconic Australian Women's Weekly Children's Birthday Cake Book.
“various countries, want to be part of it.”
The Duck Cake Creation Story
56:04 to 1:01:21
Learn about the creative process behind the iconic duck cake for children's birthdays.
“Yeah, because I usually like to cut cakes and assemble it and it looks complicated, but it's not for me.”
Transcript
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1:42Hello and welcome to the History Hour from the BBC World Service with me, Max Pearson, the past brought to life by those who were there. This week, the successful mid-20th century fight to eradicate the gruesome screwworm. I figured, well, maybe we could rear these screwworms in large numbers at reasonable cost and actually overwhelmed the national population. Plus, a controversial resettlement program in 1950s Canada, and more than 11 ,000 songs recorded Asha Bosley, India's record-breaking Queen of Melody. I've not counted them, but I know I've sung many. When EMI gave me a gold disc award, they themselves said that I've sung up to seven songs in a day, which is a record.
2:24That's all coming up, but we're going to start with a truly remarkable piece of archive reporting. This is from Burma, now Myanmar, in the final months of the Second World War. Using what is by today's standards rudimentary and bulky equipment, the BBC produced a vivid programme recorded on the front line. Tim O 'Callaghan takes us back to March 1945 and the Battle for Mandalay. And a warning, this item contains some outdated racist language. The BBC presents the story of the Burma campaign that led to the capture of Mandalay. For the first time, a major feature programme has been made at the battlefront itself.
3:04The programme was made by the pioneering BBC radio producer Douglas Cleverden. He travelled with the British forces as they fought through central Burma. I am standing by the flagpole of Fort Dufferin, where the Union Jack and the flags of the 19th Indian Division and of the 1st Battalion of the 15th Punjab Regiment are flying. The 14th Army was made up of soldiers from across the British Empire, with men from the United Kingdom, India, East and West Africa all fighting side by side. Burma had been a British colony since 1886 and it had been captured by Japan in 1942. But by 1944, the Japanese army had suffered heavy losses and were retreating across central Burma.
3:46Mandalay was the second largest city in the country. It was strategically important and the British believed that if they captured it, they would be able to liberate the capital city Yangon, then known as Rangoon, before monsoon season in May. We all expected that Mandalay might fall within the next 24 hours, but everything depended on the capture of Fort Dufferin, which lies north of the city. At the start of March 1945, the Japanese army had consolidated their position in the citadel of the Palace of Mandalay, referred to by the British as Fort Dufferin. On the 9th of March, the Allied soldiers attempted to storm the fort.
4:22So now I'm going to leave you with Douglas Cleverden and those soldiers as they take you into the middle of that battle. The fort is over a mile square, and along its four sides, there runs a formidable wall of dark red brick about 30 feet high. The brickwork is 8 feet thick, and the earth is banked up behind it to a width of 30 feet at ground level. Then surrounding the wall there's a moat, 70 yards wide and 10 or 11 feet deep. During the afternoon of March the 9th, men of the Frontier Force Regiment with tank and artillery support got within 100 yards of it. The latest information, sir, on our right flank, the enemy are now withdrawing to the south, and the commander on the spot there reports a target for the gun.
5:10He's got a gunner with him, and they're going to bring down everything they can on them. They are destroying to the south. There have been small parts of enemy coming up to the walls of the fort now, yes. They're trying to get the tanks right up onto the moat to deal with them. But with the 70-yard moat and the 30-foot wall to protect them, the Japs couldn't be dislodged. So the frontier force consolidated their positions for the night. The next day, March the 10th, General Rees, the commander of the 19th Indian Division, launched a full-scale assault on Fort Dufferin.
5:47First, a 5.5 gun fired at the wall of the fort for an hour or more at point-blank range, about 250 yards. The first bang you heard was the gun firing, and the second was the shell bursting on the wall. The head of the BBC recording car parked about 300 or 400 yards from the wall of the fort, from the north wall, under cover of a small concrete building, a public lavatory, in fact. A senior officer recorded a running commentary on the battle. The front of force, they're attacking Mandalay Fort now. You can probably hear the noise, the shelling, the mortaring, our own tanks shooting. I'm fairly close to the walls myself, standing, looking half round a concrete wall.
6:38Our chaps are advancing steadily. They're punching a little more than I'd like to see them. They're going very well. The tanks are advancing. Flying very hard at the walls. Well, we didn't get into Fort Dufferin that day. The Japs had dug in with machine guns at water level on each side of the moat where they couldn't be seen. And from here they could pick off against the skyline any of our troops who came over the outer bank of the moat. So General Rhys ordered a withdrawal. The next morning he held a conference for the war correspondents. He told us he had never seen men fight more gallantly than the men of the Frontier Force Regiment on the previous afternoon.
7:19But as far as he was concerned, Fort Dufferin was no more than a hornet's nest, and he wasn't going to risk heavy loss of men's lives in order to take it by direct assault. So for the next few days, 19 Div gradually worked their way through the shattered huts and houses of the city. CO wants your machine guns held in reserve here whilst we move forward down the road and once we've consolidated the position then you'll move forward on his orders Right, you want me in position now at that southern corner, do you? Yes, now can you get a section in position down at this corner here, the southern corner Yes, down the way now Good, and another section in this other southern corner here just to protect against a possible counter-attack in either direction.
8:07The whole area had been devastated by Japanese bombing in 1942 and never rebuilt. We parked the recording car beneath a tree by the side of the road from which the attack started. What's happening? Well, the situation is that we're here, just alongside us. We've got the enemy. And we're stopping now a bit while the other company goes around the left. and I think the plan probably will be to attack the crossroads in front of the other company while this company consolidates in this area. The firing became more intense, but we were able to make a recording of what a battle sounds like from inside.
8:48I spent most of the time lying underneath the car and wishing that I had a tin hat. Meanwhile, night patrols were continually probing the walls of Fort Dufferin for a weak spot in the defences. On the night of March the 16th, the 15th Punjab made an attempt to break into the fort, using boats to cross the moat. We followed the course of the action from brigade headquarters. They've got the one platoon across, and this boat that sank contained the leading elements of the second platoon that was crossing.
9:23Other than that, sir, I've had no report from them. Then, to avoid further casualties, the men were ordered to withdraw. Under heavy covering fire, they got back across the moat before first light. Meanwhile, the fort was being gradually encircled. On March 19th, there was a heavy attack on the Tightor Pagoda, which commanded the East Gate. First, the bombers went in with 11-second bombs.
9:50Then, after a heavy artillery bombardment, two companies of the Worcesters went in with tanks supporting them.
9:59The pagoda was captured and the encirclement of Fort Duffin was nearly complete. The Japanese forces evacuated the fort that night. The Supreme Allied Commander in South East Asia, Admiral Lord Louis Mountbatten, broadcast this message in the aftermath of that victory for the Allied soldiers. Mandalay has fallen. The Japanese authorities, in their propaganda, had told their people that Mandalay, the second city of Burma, was of supreme importance to them, and that it would be defended with the utmost vigour. To all of you, in every arm and every service, British, American, Indian, African and Chinese, I send my grateful thanks.
10:44I look forward with confidence to even greater victories. The words of Lord Louis Mountbatten. Tim O 'Callaghan was our guide through those amazing archive recordings. The Allied forces reached the capital of Burma in May 1945, which led to the liberation of the country and contributed to the Japanese surrender to the Allies in August 1945. Now, what we just heard was billed as the first time a major feature programme was made at the battlefront itself. Dr Elizabeth Fondren is Associate Professor of Journalism at St John's University in New York in the United States. She specializes in the history of war reporting and is with us now.
11:23So how unusual was it in 1945 to hear radio like that from the front line of a war? This is really great archival footage and very unusual, I would say. It represents this shift in bringing really war closer to audiences. We can say that this is an early form of immersive journalism and audiences in World War II and then later didn't just hear journalists describing a war. They actually could hear the war itself. If we step back and look at the longer history of war reporting, there must have been moments which stand out as having been important for the way in which conflict was being covered.
12:09Absolutely. I mean, war reporting has changed enormously over the past, we can say 200 years, because every technological development has brought the experience of war closer to audiences. And I would say that the Crimean War of 1854 to 1856 was reported by the first modern war correspondents because these reporters and also photographers could get relatively close to the battlefield and then bring news back much faster. And even though that news was not live in our modern sense, the combination of eyewitness, journalism, telegraph, mass newspapers who were eager to publish these reports meant that there was a much larger public that could follow the Crimean War and also hold the government accountable.
13:07Yeah, because war reporting is important, whether it's outright propaganda or just facts that change the accepted narrative being put to a public. Public opinion and policy, therefore, can be changed by war reporting. Yes, absolutely. This is something that is just such an important piece of the dynamic of why war reporting matters. Journalists assert credibility by just being there. We call this the eyewitnessing role, and we can also trace it through the development of war reporting. First, it was merely text, but then there was a visual component, especially after I just spoke about the Crimean War.
13:47But in the U.S. Civil War, 1861 to 1865, this was a visual war. the public saw photography, and it really transformed how people understood and also remembered the conflict and the suffering. There's this beautiful kind of phrase that historians have used to describe how visual images changed during the Civil War, and they say that the camera became a witness, and it became, quote, a mirror with a memory. So I would say that in terms of public policy and kind of the changes that journalism can bring, we see this with photo journalism, particularly, we also see it with TV reports, videos, we know that pictures can be used as weapons, they can be manufactured, but they're very powerful in increasing awareness, but also moving opinions on certain topics.
14:52And we're now very much in the era of television news being live on the battlefronts at any given moment, and war being on TV. And I guess a key point in the history of that would have been the Vietnam War and how it got into the living rooms of the American people? On an unprecedented scale, and it actually led to criticism of US policy. And after, you know, Vietnam, there was a lot of rethinking and re-strategizing in terms of how much access should journalists actually have, because the reporting had been critical. And so then in later wars, especially the Iraq wars or the invasions in Iraq, the press had to embed with military troops and was less free or independent to report news.
15:45And this was a direct consequence, in a sense, of the reporting in Vietnam. That was Dr. Elizabeth Fondren, Associate Professor of Journalism at St. John's University in New York. Incidentally, the story of the battle for Mandalay will be added to our online collection of firsthand stories from the Second World War, which you can find at bbc.com slash Next, we're going to Canada in the 1950s, where a controversial government scheme saw the relocation of nearly 30 ,000 people from isolated rural communities. It was social engineering on a grand scale, designed to give people better lives than they had previously lived.
16:25Not everyone was happy. Catherine Harvey has been speaking to Don White, who was among those moved, about the resettlement of Newfoundland and Labrador. In 1954, a massive undertaking began, involving the relocation of thousands of families from hundreds of Canada's small coastal communities, or outports. Newfoundlanders are on the move. By 1980... It is migration on a vast scale. The cost in human terms must be considered, in the feelings and the personal happiness of the people who have left the familiar... Over the next 21 years, government-run resettlement programmes aim to move many of those living in outport fishing communities to make new lives in designated growth centres in the pursuit of modernisation.
17:13I think it was the best thing that ever happened to me. No doubt it was a more traumatic experience for older people. The results of this mass exodus would change communities forever and alter a way of life that had lasted centuries. We only ever had one general store, no electricity. Most of the people hunted for moose, rabbits, seabirds. Don White grew up in Port Nelson, in Bonavista Bay, on the eastern coast of Newfoundland. Mostly they were fisher folk, cod, salmon, and they would catch lobster. My grandfather had a schooner, and they used to go across the bay to the south side and come back with our vegetables for the winter.
17:56and that was the kind of life that most people lived there. And what would happen if somebody became ill? Where would they go? The hospital was about an hour's boat ride. Most people were kind of their own doctors. What was the road system like? That makes me laugh because all we had basically were footpaths. The main architect of the resettlement plan was Joseph R. Smallwood. Newfoundland's Premier Smallwood has said his province must industrialise or she will perish. But in order for the people to take advantage of industrialisation, they must have the skills necessary to take the jobs. These skills cannot be developed on the islands where even elementary education is hazardous.
18:39We lived on the south side and the school was on the north side and there were four of us who lived on that side of the harbour. We had to row in an open rowboat. I don't even remember an adult going across the harbour with us. You rowed yourselves? We rowed ourselves. I should say, too, if the harbour ice prevented us from rowing across to school, we used to have to walk right around that harbour, and that was about an hour's walk. How many children were in the school and in a class? We had only one classroom, and at no time were we more than, I would say, 22. all grades after grade six school closed that was when we decided to move the only way to see that youngsters got a fair chance in life to get a decent education was for their families to move from these little one room and two room school settlements and go to places where there'd be a decent school and maybe a hospital not too far away and maybe water and storage and electric light Joseph R.
19:45Smallwood in a private recording made by author and historian Joan Horwood. We wanted them if they did move and we made it a condition. We won't help you unless we can approve the place to which you intend to move. Because we certainly did not want them to go from the frying pan into the fire. Joey Smallwood, our premier, I mean he was a premier for about 22 years immediately after Confederation which happened in 1949. I think he was under pressure from the federal government because we had all these outlying, isolated places where people were beginning to, as they, I guess, became more educated, were looking forward to having some of the amenities of life, which we had never had.
20:34And there was just not enough money to link all these isolated places, you know, by a road. Each family moving will get$300 from the government to help them to move, and this amount has subsequently increased to$400,$500,$600. One way the islanders have found to cut down on cost of resettlement is to move their houses across the bay on barges. Oh yes, they move the house from there. How is it done? How is the house moved? Oh, they just put runners on it and put up a tackle and hitched on the boat and the boat took it on the floor. One of the biggest problems, of course, was that it didn't get away from you and end up down near the ocean in many pieces.
21:18And they had no machinery to work with. It was all ropes and cables. Our stove, table, curtains, furnishings were left in the house. You rolled the whole house onto a raft and then you floated it round the coast? That's right. Not everyone went willingly. And although many enjoyed the opportunities afforded in cities, others who left homes and businesses behind found themselves living in cramped conditions, facing unemployment and economic hardship. I think it's the worst thing I've ever got of. Do you? Do you think people... That's for people my age, that's for young people, but you get up to 50-year-old.
21:58For Edward, the move has brought no peace. He is untrained except as a fisherman, and he must return to his old grounds alone each summer to pursue the only trade he knows. The Inuit people of Hebron and Nutak were amongst those adversely affected when they were forced to leave their lands in Labrador. And many who were resettled lost touch with their heritage and communities. People were spread around, you know, after they resettled, and a lot of us never ever met after. My best friend who went back and forth to school in the rowboat with me, the last time I saw him was grade 7 or grade 8, and he's passed away several years ago, and I never saw him after.
22:38I guess that was a negative in many ways when you went your own way and never knew what happened to each other afterwards. And that must have been even harder for your parents' generation. Oh, my goodness, yes. I don't think my father ever became settled. Today the place where Don once lived is barely recognisable and ghost villages like his pepper the coastline as a haunting reminder of resettlement. Tax Beach in Placentia Bay, gently tucked between fir-clad hills, faces a stretch of sea that is nearly always calm. It was once a thriving fishing community of 500 souls but it is now one of the casualties of resettlement.
23:18It is deserted but for the wheeling gulls and the summer fishermen. The sight of Don's former home is now overgrown and only accessible by boat. He told me about his most recent visit with a friend. He'd gone off in one direction and I thought I wanted to go back to where the house was. And I did, so I was there by myself. It fills me now to talk about it, to be honest, because so much had happened in the meantime. Both my parents had passed. And what did you think when you were sitting there? What were the feelings you had when you went back home? It was very emotional. There was nothing, there's no structures of any kind there.
23:58It was just vacant land then. Resettlement remains an emotive subject that's left its mark on the cultural fabric of Newfoundland and Labrador, inspiring a wealth of art, music, literature and film. And many of the areas that were abandoned have been reclaimed by nature, disturbed only by the occasional film crew and holidaymakers drawn to their picturesque beauty. Don went on to have a successful career as a teacher. Although relocation was a positive experience for him, he also acknowledges a lost way of life. Everybody looked out for everybody. You know, the quote that takes a village to raise a child was very true.
24:42Don White was speaking to Catherine Harvey. It was a Rogue Gunners production using archive recordings from CBC's 1969 documentary called Resettlement in Newfoundland. Is it good for the people?
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25:56Still to come, how the English Premier League was born in 1992 and went on to something like global domination. The time was right to what we call break away from the old football league and start again, you know, reinvent ourselves. Also, Asha Bosley, India's Queen of Melody. and from 1970s Australia, the inventive cookbook that changed the way birthday cakes are baked. The editor walk in, pull out from the handbag a rubber ducky. Everyone pointed to me and said, oh, it's an engineering job. But first, the story of the fight against a flesh-eating parasite that caused devastating injuries to livestock and wildlife across the Americas in the 1950s.
26:41It was called the New World Screwworm. The effort to control this nasty creature turned into one of the most successful eradication campaigns in history. And as Jill Kersley explains, it was made possible largely thanks to the pioneering work of a scientist who had grown up witnessing the consequences of the parasite's activity. I kept thinking what we really need is some way to control the screwworms before they attack the animals rather than just wait until after the animals had the screwworm and then try to control it. That's the late Edward Nippling, speaking to an archivist in 2000 at age 91.
27:20The screwworm gets its name from the corkscrew motion of its larvae, which burrowed deep into the flesh of living animals. To most people, this looks just like any other housefly. It is not. It's a killer. This is from a BBC TV programme in 1992. In Latin it is called Cochleomyia hominophorax, man-eater, because it depends on live flesh for the liable stage of its life cycle. It is commonly called the New World Screwworm Fly. Edward grew up on a farm near Port Lavaca on the Texas coast in America. As a boy, he spent his days around cattle, cotton fields and livestock. It was there he first came face to face with the pests that would become the focus of his life's work.
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28:11I was interested in hunting and fishing and interested in nearly all wildlife, including insects. You can't imagine how many houseflies there were around the farm where you had livestock. We didn't have any way to control a fly like that during the people just tolerated them, that's all. And one of the more severe pests was a screw worm. A screw worm would get into the navel of calves when they were born, or pigs, or if there was any wounds on animals. So they were constantly having to look for and treat animals for screw worms when they occurred, and that was a very unpleasant task. and you can imagine getting in a hog pen with a sow that has screwworms in it and then try to handle the sow.
29:07Those early experiences stayed with him. He went on to become an entomologist, a scientist who studies insects. And by then, screwworms had become one of the most destructive livestock pests in the Americas. Here's why. The female fly is attracted to open animal wounds. It lays hundreds of eggs in the wound. The eggs hatch into larvae, or worms, which burrow into the wound, feeding on flesh. The larvae grow and enlarge and deepen the wound. Within days, a wound as small as a tick bite becomes a cavity as big as a fist. The animal becomes weak and prone to other infections. It may eventually die.
29:52Any warm-blooded animal may be attacked, domestic or wild. Cows, sheep, dogs, cats, even human beings. When he later joined the US Department of Agriculture, much of the work on screwworms focused on treating animals after they became infested. Edward thought there had to be a better way. I realized that you would never really control the screwworm that way. What we needed was some preventive measure. Then I conceived the idea that perhaps we could rear the screwworm and have it some genetic deficiency and release those genetically deficient insects into the population. They would mate with the gnomon flies and transmit detrimental characteristics.
30:51I figured, well, maybe we could rear these screwworms in large numbers at reasonable cost and actually overwhelm the natural population. It all was rather vague, but nevertheless it seemed that these were possibilities. So the idea, instead of trying to kill every screwworm, why not stop the population reproducing? Edward had imagined releasing a large number of screwworms carrying some kind of genetic defect. The breakthrough came when scientists discovered that radiation could sterilise insects. The whole idea depended on one crucial fact about the screwworm's sex life. Female screwworm flies usually mate only once.
31:36If that single mating was with a sterile male, they would produce no young. Once the scientists learned how to breed sterile screwworms in huge numbers, they were ready to find out whether this idea could work outside the lab. The crucial test came not in the United States,
31:57but on the Caribbean island of Curacao. A vet in Curacao had sent a letter to Edward asking for advice on dealing with screw worms. Looking at a map, Edward realised the island was the perfect testing ground for his method. Its small size and distance from the mainland meant any results would be easier to measure. So the flies were reared at the rearing facility we had at Orlando and were exposed and irradiated and sterilized and were shipped to Curacao by air and released by airplane on the island of Curacao. We had decided we wanted to release the screwworm at the rate of about 1 ,000 per square mile per week.
32:43So that meant we had to rear and sterilize about 170 ,000 screwworm flies per week. Now that was a major undertaking at that time. To measure the success, researchers used goats placed around the island and collected the egg masses laid in their wounds to see whether they had been fertilised. This would show whether the wild female flies had mated with the sterile flies released by the programme. They maybe had at least a half a dozen goats in different parts of the island to collect these egg masses. Within about three generations, which is what, about 60 days or a little more, it seemed that the screwworm had been eradicated from the island of Curacao.
33:30It was a remarkable achievement. Edwards' method became known as the sterile insect technique. After it proved successful on Curacao, the program expanded to Florida, where screwworms were eradicated from the southeastern United States before in 1962 moving on to Texas and the southwest. Within the last decade, once the pupae developed, huge numbers of sterile male flies were dropped over infested areas to mate with female flies. This is from the United States Department of Agriculture Library in 1969. Soon drastically reducing the population of a major threat in America. But despite the success, not everyone was convinced.
34:14When outbreaks fled in the 1970s, critics began to question whether the program could ever work on such a vast scale. The program continued and the sterile insect technique was soon being used against more than just screw worms. It's been successful against the Mediterranean fruit flies and other tropical fruit flies. It's been used against the pink bullworm, and the Japanese used it to eradicate the melon fly, and all of these have been beneficial. The late Edward Nippling in an archive recording made before his death in the year 2000, and the story of the fight against the New World screwworm was told by Jill Kersley.
35:00Nippling's pioneering sterile insect technique is still being used today, And our thanks to the archive collection at the United States Department of Agriculture National Agricultural Library. Next, we're going to recognize a true artistic great. In 2011, Asha Bosley was officially named the most recorded artist in music history. She had sung more than 11 ,000 songs in more than 20 Indian languages. Reena Stanton-Sharma tells her story using the BBC's archive.
35:36That's the unmistakable voice of Asha Borsle, India's queen of melody.
35:53Asha Borsle speaking to the BBC in 1987. Also known as the Nightingale of India, She recalled how she'd sung everything from Kavali, a form of devotional Islamic music, to classical, rock and roll and pop, where she made her name. This versatility would see her transcend barriers and embrace the ever-changing landscape of the entertainment industry. As a playback singer, she would record songs for films in a studio, which were then lip-synced by actors on screen. Here she is performing In Ako Ki Musti from the film Amrao Jan on BBC television.
36:36So how did she reach such heights?
36:42Asha Ji, as she was fondly called, was born in 1933 and came from a musical family. Her father was a singer and actor who ran a touring theatre business, as she told the BBC in 2015. My father was a classical singer and drama artist. And his drama company, 200 people working in his company. My father was only 40 years old at that time he passed away. She was just nine when he died, and her eldest sister, Lata Mangeshkar, also sang in his troupe. The family moved to Mumbai after his death, where Lata first began singing for Marathi movies as a teenager to make money. Asha ji explained how her sister's burning ambition helped to propel her career.
37:36She wanted to be something big. From the start, it was within her that I will become something big. For me, it wasn't that I wanted to become something. I wanted to work. I enjoy working. I didn't know at that time what I would become. And what she did become, nobody could have predicted. Her career began when she was just a teenager, as she remembered in 1987.
38:06It's been 40 years since our freedom, and I recorded my first song in 1947 as well. So my career is as old as India's independence.
38:20She eloped at the age of 16 with an older man and was described as the wild one, while her sister was seen as pure. And Lutaji didn't make things easy for Asha, who had to do a lot of the leftover songs that her sister didn't want, including the sexy numbers at the beginning of her career. They both worked their way to the top through sheer hard work and didn't step aside for anyone. Despite their different approaches, they would both work with the biggest composers in India. Ashaji was asked if there was anyone in particular who she was drawn to.
39:02The one who taught me what playback singing is, He used to love me like a daughter. He used to say that we should keep in mind an actor's body language and style and sing in relation to this. This was S.D. Berman who taught me this, who I called father.
39:21And he would have become her father-in-law, but he died before she'd marry his son, R.D. Berman, in 1980, who was also a composer. He was behind one of her biggest hits, Dhammarodham. It was from the 1972 film Hare Rama Hare Krishna, which was meant to critique Western hippie culture in South Asia.
39:49Actress Zeena Tamman lip-syncs and sways among a group of young people sat around dancing while smoking marijuana from a clay pipe. It was banned by the station All India Radio because of its controversial lyrics, which mean take a puff. The song gained cult status and highlighted her ability to cross genres at a time when music coming out of India was also changing. In 1984, she was asked what she thought of the tracks coming out of the country.
40:23Songs tamales have become very modern. What we used to sing, the lyrics used to be very good and the tunes were good too. There weren't big orchestras. There was more emphasis on being able to hear the artist's voice and lyrics and those songs are still popular. Today's songs, the lyrics aren't very good. They don't have meaning and are vulgar.
40:48The presenter then chimes in about her song Iramina Dika from the 1957 movie Asha, which he says was popular but didn't have any meaningful lyrics. But Ashaji disagrees.
41:04This is a very old song, but if you look further, the lyrics are not bad.
41:17Asha Ji was lauded by some for introducing rock and roll to India thanks to this feel-good tune.
41:28In 1984, she was asked by BBC presenter Chamin Lal Chamin how many songs she'd recorded to date. I've not counted them, but I know I've sung many. The ratio has been high. I've sung three or four songs a day. When EMI gave me a gold disc award, they themselves said that I've sung up to seven songs in a day, which is a record. And then, in 2011, she received a Guinness World Record at the Glitzy Asian Awards Ceremony in central London, presented by Lord Sebastian Coe. I'm actually delighted to let you know that we've just received some very exciting news. In recognition of your extraordinary career, as of now, tonight, you've been awarded a Guinness World Record.
42:24Taking to the stage dressed in a white silk sari adorned with sparkling silver gems and a white flower in her long black hair, Asha Ji, who was then in her 70s, said her journey with music had only just begun. The record for most recorded artiste in the world belongs to Asha Bosley, who has recorded up to 11 ,000 solo, duet and chorus-backed songs in over 20 Indian languages since 1947. The title had previously been held by her sister Lata. The pair ruled India's playback singing world for decades. Asha Ji was revered by Indians around the world, including in Britain, where indie band Corner Shop paid tribute to her in their song Brim Full of Asha.
43:18It was remixed in 1998, topping the charts. Asha Borsley recorded over 12 ,000 tracks by the time she died in April 2026, aged 92. An outpouring of grief followed news of her death around the world.
43:41Reena Stanton-Sharmer with the story of the late, great Asha Bosley. Next, we've got this week's Sporting Witness, and for this we're focusing on the English Premier League. Formed in 1992, it is now the most-watched sports league in the world. Football did exist before the Premier League, but to borrow a phrase from the league's launch, this was a whole new ball game. David Dean was the vice chairman of Arsenal in 1992 and was one of the main drivers behind the new league. He tells Tim O 'Callaghan about the challenges involved. The first day in the history of the FA Premier League was rewarded with a feast of goals and some shock results.
44:19It was a turning bike for English football and when you look at it now, we'll talk about where it's gone since 1992 but it's been a runaway success. And the man behind it all? David Dean, OBE, former vice chairman of Arsenal and the Football Association. Can't be an ambassador for both. Anything else you'd like to know? Well, yes, actually, David, because the Premier League was his idea. A plan formulated alongside the chairman of five other clubs in English football, known as the Big Five. So who were they? Who do you support, Tim? I'm a Bolton Wanderers fan. OK, well, I'm afraid Bolton was not one of the big five, but we liked Bolton.
45:03It was Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Manchester United and Everton. And we were all mates. I mean, that was another thing. Of course, the teams weren't mates. They were bitter rivals. But the chairman all got on, which made what they were about to do a little bit easier. But we'll get back to that in just a moment. There has been professional football leagues in England since 1888. when 12 clubs, including my beloved Bolton Wanderers, formed the Football League. It had consisted of 92 teams since 1950, spread across four divisions, known since 1958 as Divisions 1, 2, 3 and 4. During the 1980s, though, football in England was facing a number of challenges.
45:46We had hooliganism. There was fighting inside the grounds, fighting outside the grounds. Women were not going to the games. Mothers didn't want their children to go to the games because they were worried about their safety. It was virtually a 99 % male audience. The grounds themselves were fairly dilapidated places, not welcoming. The game itself was from three o 'clock to 20 to five. And that was it. Nothing before or afterwards. It wasn't a particularly welcoming environment. Something had to change. Your tendencies were dropping like a stone. In any other business, you'd think, what are you going to do?
46:21We needed something radical.
46:26Around this time, David and the other four chairmen were approached by a TV executive called Greg Dyke. He worked for the broadcaster ITV, who had the rights to show Football League matches on television between 1988 and 1992. and he wanted to buy our television rights, just the five clubs, television rights. And of course, he said that was impractical because, you know, you've got to play other clubs. You can't just have five clubs. But in a way, he opened our eyes to the value of television and football. And he actually hosted a famous evening where the five of us decided the time was right to what we call break away from the old football league and start again, you know, reinvent ourselves.
47:11and it was a mammoth job and it caused a lot of problems because there was obviously friction with the rest of the football league because there was 22 clubs in the old first division. We were going to take the old first division and form a new legal entity, rebrand ourselves, reinvent ourselves and it left behind the 70 clubs. Well, they were less pleased, you can imagine, losing the top division. However, David and the other chairman had a crucial backer. The Football Association has approved controversial plans to set up a new Super League consisting of the top 18 clubs. It would start the season after next, but the decision looks certain to cause a rift within the game.
47:52Both the Football League and the Players Union are strongly opposed to it. The FA, who are the governing body for the sport in England, didn't have a great relationship with the Football League and saw the breakaway as an opportunity to help the England national team. The original plan was to cut the number of sides in the top flight from 22 to 18, which in theory would give the England team a better chance in international tournaments, as the players would have fewer games. To move it forward, David and the other chairman needed to convince the other clubs in the top league that this was a good idea.
48:26We decided that the five of us would choose a Dancy partner and try to convince them to come on board, because we knew if we had 10, rather like in Scotland, we could have a league of 10, we could actually do it. So getting the next five on board was the key. And we managed to do that. And I think I went with West Ham, somebody went with Newcastle, somebody went Sheffield Wednesday, whatever it was. Once we got the other five, we knew the other 12 would roll in, which they did. Seems simple now, but it was an army manoeuvre. The clubs in the top division signed a founder members agreement in July 1991, before the next step in the breakaway.
49:06All 22 First Division football clubs have resigned from the Football League. The new season starts tomorrow. The clubs handed in their letters of resignation today. They're leaving to join the new Super League. If we were going to resign from the old Football League, under their rules, we had to give three years' notice of resignation. Well, we didn't have the luxury of time. We couldn't wait three years because by which time you could have nine different clubs moving up and down. So we had to resign immediately. We actually resigned under the FA rules, not the Football League rules, because the FA rules did run in parallel to the Football League rules.
49:45And we could resign after one year. Of course, the Football League wasn't happy about any of this. They launched legal challenges against the FA and the teams. There was even talk of a player strike. But after the High Court dismissed the Football League's case, the plans for the Premier League were approved in February 1992. Football's new Premier League has finally been given the go-ahead after 10 months of argument. The league, which will replace the First Division, will start this August. The original plan to have 18 teams was scrapped. Instead, 22 teams would remain in the top flight until 1995, when it would then become a league of 20.
50:27A lot needed to be done in five months to get the Premier League ready to launch. Nobody realised, Tim, what we had to go through. You know, there's an old saying, you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs. We broke a lot of eggs. It was fraught. And not least the players' contracts. I mean, people don't realise this, that the players' contracts were registered in the old football league. When we are starting a new legal entity, we needed the players. So we had to do a deal with the PFA to make sure the players simultaneously would cancel their football league contract and sign a Premier League contract.
51:07We did it and we had to be innovative. I remember we managed to get through a 15 minute halftime. We put names on the shirts. It made it more attractive. It became an event. We had to, you know, as I say, reinvent our product. And one other way of reinventing the product was the new TV deal that the league struck with the satellite broadcaster Sky, who paid over US$500 million for the exclusive rights to live games, which would be distributed amongst the clubs, with 25 % of the money dependent on where you finished in the league. The higher up you finished, the more you got. The latest domestic TV rights deal for the Premier League was$8.9 billion, and that doesn't include the money the league makes from international TV rights.
51:51Well, it goes out around the world. The biggest players want to play in the Premier League, the managers want to manage it and now you've got all the owners from all overseas, various countries, want to be part of it. The league began on the 15th of August 1992 and 34 years on, David is still as invested as he ever was. I've got a paternal interest there. I consider it to be my baby. Every time I see it on television, going around the world, it is fantastic. A lot of pride, a lot of satisfaction.
52:25David Dean stood down as vice chairman of Arsenal in 2007 and has since written Calling the Shots, a book about his life in football. He was speaking to Tim O 'Callaghan. Finally this week, we're in the kitchen for a spot of cake baking. In Australia in the late 1970s, a recipe book was written that brought novelty cakes to the masses. It was the Australian Women's Weekly Children's Birthday Cake Book. Agnes Lee was a home economist behind more than 20 of the book's quirky designs, including the famous rubber ducky. She's been speaking to Helen Ledwick, who decided to give it a go herself. OK, what do I need?
53:03Got my cake mix, got my eggs, got my oil, got my whisk. Off we go. I did the gingerbread house, the caterpillar, the butterfly. Agnes Lee designed more than 20 of the rainbow-coloured creations that have become a nostalgia fest for families around the world. The guitar, hopscotch, the dragon. And arguably the most well-known... A rubber ducky. It's 1979 and Agnes, who grew up in Hong Kong, is now a home economist at the Australian Women's Weekly magazine in Sydney. She's working with a small team on a new birthday cake book and every so often they'll head to the test kitchen for what they call cake day.
53:51OK, that's starting to look like cake mixture. We laugh a lot because there are lots of things that didn't work. We assemble it, it might flop, then we share ideas. But usually, no one will interview anyone when they are really into it. Because you know that once you get into decorating, your inspiration evolves. So it gets quieter and quieter, and towards the end, everyone will be quite intense. It's funny that when you ask, that really brings me back to that time. They're measuring, cutting, decorating, aiming for cakes that look impressive but can actually be made at home. It has to be very simple and straightforward.
54:39As easy as possible so every child's wife who don't know much about cooking can make these cakes. If not, it will never work. As remembered in this 2023 report on ABC TV. The Weekly recognised the fact that not everyone was a pro-cake maker. So they made it easier for people and gave them permission to use cake mix. It wasn't going to be held against you. I've got this. That looks like a dog's body. There'll be more than 100 recipes by the time the book launches in 1980. So where does the inspiration come from? It comes from anywhere, Helen. like for example the train cake. The choo-choo train, a red steam engine pulling brightly coloured wagons filled with sweets.
55:28It'll end up as the cover of the book but it starts out as a last minute idea on one of those cake days. I got up, couldn't even think of anything. Got to the train station, there was a train strike, no train. And then all of a sudden the train came and it was filled with coal. Then I stare at it and I say, yeah, I can make a train. I don't need passengers. I can fill it up with coal and I use lolly instead and that's it. And Agnes, I don't know if this is true, but I read that you had a nickname. Is that right? They call me engineer. Yeah, because I usually like to cut cakes and assemble it and it looks complicated, but it's not for me.
56:15So they think that I'm the engineer. So that's why I got to do the duck.
56:24This is no ordinary duck. It's a 3D engineering marvel of sponge cake and fluffy yellow icing, head crowned with popcorn and a beak made of, well, we'll get to that. But for now, it's cake day again and the book is almost complete. They need one last cake to finish it and the pressure is on. The editor walk in, pull out from the handbag a rubber ducky. And then she say, oh, not two dimension, but three dimension. Everyone pointed to me and say, oh, it's an engineering job. So I got the rubber ducky. so I stare at the kick tins the size how I can use the pieces and then it all just fell together Agnes has it all figured out but there's a problem when come to the beak I was lost completely so I gave up and I say I'm taking my lunch now Agnes walks out of the test kitchen and into a nearby cafe and she spots a packet of crisps or as some people call them chips.
57:38And I saw it and say yeah the chips is edible I can use the chips. So I was so happy I brought a couple packets of chips back. It worked so well because the chips has a natural curl and out of the two packets I bought I found two really match very well and when I put them together it does look like a duck's beak. I said, I'm going to use that. Crisps on a cake. It's a novel idea and one that Agnes is not ready to share with her colleagues just yet. I dare not call them out. Just look at it. I want to finish a whole thing and then surprise them and see what they think. So I did the beak, the eyes and all that and then say, she's finished.
58:27And they all came out. No one say anything. They don't know what to say. At the end, the food editor, Helen Sinclair, came in and she whispered quietly to one of the girls, it's chips, it's savoury. And I turned my head, I don't want to look at anyone. Do they approve it or do they not? I don't know. At the end, yes, they approved it. The final step is a photograph for the book. The photographer came in, it's approved. you can get rid of the cake. And because the cake at that time, they sit there, can't be covered and all that, usually they go into the bin when we finish. Then I'm so sick of it.
59:11By that time, I just chuck it in and done. Job done. But it's not job done. The photographer needs another picture and there's no time to make another cake. Then I say, hang on, it's quite solid. The frosting has set. Let's pull it out and see what it looks like. It actually has a crack right in the front. Time for some lateral thinking. Out goes the tiny little red ribbon around the duck's neck and in comes a massive red bow with red buttons to match. That's it. What you see is what you get. Hopefully the duck is so cute people don't notice. The Australian Women's Weekly Children's Birthday Cake book is published and according to the magazine goes on to sell more than a million copies around the world.
59:59The recipes discover a new lease of life on social media and in 2020, the duck cake gets a starring role in the children's TV programme Bluey from Ludo Studio. Bluey's dad, Bandit, has taken on the challenge of making it, but is struggling to attach the head. It's good. It's very good. Oh, two weeks. Oh, duck cake. Oh, that's not good. At first I worried, you know, I should give more detail so that they can be more successful. But after a while, especially when Bluey did the episode, I said, no, if it comes off, it comes off. It's part of making the cake and enjoying it. It's not a disaster in a way.
1:00:43It became a highlight.
1:00:48One last thing. I think this is actually the moment of truth. the beak. I am quite happy with that. And there it is, nearly 50 years after Agnes first imagined not just the duck cake, but many of the others that fill the pages of the book. I'm proud of it. Yes, I am. And knowing how much it affects people and knowing that really lots of families use it and they pass on to the children. That really makes me feel proud. Hungry now? Helen Ledwick was talking to Agnes Lee, one of the inventive bakers behind the best-selling Australian Women's Weekly Children's Birthday Cakebook. We'll be cooking up more first-hand stories from the past for you next week, but that's it for this edition of the History Hour.
1:01:36This is Max Pearson from all of us here. Thank you for listening. Goodbye. Sporting Witness takes you to the events that have shaped the sports world through the eyes of the people who were there. We weren't going to ask permission, we were just going to do it. It was such an amazing feeling, it was incredible. He started to write a story about how he came up with the idea for the red and yellow cars. I got to go. We cried a bit, we laughed a bit. It was wonderful. There's a magic during those moments that carries your soul. We were truly blessed to be a part of history. Sporting Witness. Subscribe wherever you get your BBC podcasts.
1:02:48Thank you. Bye.
From the publisher
Max Pearson presents a collection of the week's Witness History episodes from the BBC World Service.
Our guest is Dr Elisabeth Fondren, Associate Professor of Journalism at St John's University in New York, USA.
We start by hearing some groundbreaking frontline reporting from the Battle of Mandalay in World War Two.
Then, we hear how in 1950s Canada, a controversial government scheme saw the relocation of nearly 30 thousand people.
Next, a pioneering scientist on his role in the fight against a flesh-eating parasite, the New World screwworm in the 1950s.
Plus, the extraordinary life and times of India's "Queen of Melody", Asha Bhosle.
Then, the formation of the English Premier League in 1992.
Finally, how, an Australian recipe book brought novelty birthday cakes to the masses in 1980.
Contributors: Dr Elisabeth Fondren - Associate Professor of Journalism at St John's University in New York, USA. Douglas Cleverdon - BBC radio producer (Archive). Don White - one of thousands relocated under a Canadian government scheme (Archive). Edward Knipling - entomologist known for his development of the Sterile Insect Technique (Archive). Asha Bhosle - celebrated Indian playback singer (Archive). David Dein, co-founder, English Premier League. Agnes Lee - former home economist at The Australian Women's Weekly.
(Photo: British and Indian Troops of the 14th Army in Burma, March 1945. Credit: Keystone/Getty Images)
