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26:39The death toll is disputed. Officially, the Chinese government stated that only around 200 people died. Subsequent independent estimates suggest the true figure is in the thousands. As Tom Bonnet has been hearing from one of the student organisers, the seeds of the protests had been sown long before the eventual crackdown. I remember on the May 4th, the student demonstration was massive. Leading the demonstrators that day was our witness, We Kaishi. I was the general commander of that mass demonstration. I recall at least 100 ,000 students in Beijing took the street. And the march lasted longer than 10 kilometers.

27:35And we were welcomed by Beijing citizens wherever we go. So it has to be more than a million Beijing citizens were on the street welcoming us.

27:51Wu Kai-shi and his fellow students were urging China's leaders to listen to them because they wanted progress. We want from that day on the voice of people to be heard in China. So we want press freedom and then maybe in future take part in China's free election democracy. That huge protest of May the 4th had been born out of smaller demonstrations that were happening on university campuses throughout the 1980s. It was a time of reform. China was opening up and embracing technology from the West and global trade. For the students, it was an opportunity for political reform too. You can imagine, I mean, the whole world is pouring in.

28:39Everything seemed new. All of a sudden, everything seemed possible. So we wanted to be in control of our own lives, to be able to, you know, live the life that the same age, young students in the United States or United Kingdom are living. But we know we need to get democracy. In 1989, with the decade drawing to a close, the demonstrators were no closer to political reform. So how did Wu Kai-she and the student leaders galvanise a generation and gather that enormous crowd in Beijing on May 4th? Well, it began with the death of a key ally. The former Communist Party leader in China, Hu Yaobang, has died of a heart attack at the age of 73.

29:33Hu, once considered the most likely successor to Deng Xiaoping as the country's senior leader, was forced to step down two years ago after being accused of aiding the spread of so-called bourgeois liberal ideas. He has been removed from his general secretary position because he was supporting to the student movement. And two years later, we learned that he had a heart attack in a meeting. Students came running up saying they'd just heard the news and couldn't believe it. The wrong man has died, said one bluntly. The seeds of the May 4th protest had been sown, and at Hu Yaobang's funeral in mid-April, crowds began to gather in large numbers in Tiananmen Square.

30:22100 ,000 students and workers in the world's largest square in defiance of government plans to seal off the area for Hu's official funeral, shouting down with dictatorship. From the death of oil bomb April 15th to June 4th, it lasted 50 days, but ended in June 4th with a massacre. Let me tell you what's in our mind during the 50 days of protest. Every student was thinking, we know we're going to meet a suppression. The suppression for the student leaders, like people in my position, we were thinking could be prison terms. For the demonstrators, could be beat the hell out of us, police clubbing.

31:10And for the general participant is getting a very lousy job assignment. Nevertheless, when you are in a movement like that scale, you cannot afford just to be totally pessimistic. You have to be somewhat hopeful. And we were hopeful. Then comes May the 4th, a public holiday in China that commemorates a student protest 70 years ago to the day. So it's on this significant anniversary that the line of demonstrators gets longer and longer. It was one of the biggest demonstrations that the People's Republic had ever seen, including the during the Cultural Revolution Red Guard demonstration. None of them have reached the level of that demonstration that day, May 4th, 1989.

32:06And the marches weren't just happening in Beijing. We know that the movement has spread to the whole country. Every city that has a university had demonstration that day. There's more than 300 cities. And we say, wow, we have reached 100 million people at the very least in supporting us. So I would say the main force movement is one of the high points of the student demonstration. And then the Chinese regime responded very poorly. They said, OK, OK, we're going to have a dialogue. We were excluded from dialogue. So the next logic step for us to escalate, hunger strike. Today we are holding a hunger strike.

32:58We protest the government's post-apartment in carrying on dialogue. Almost every Beijinger took the street to show their support to the student. Teachers, intelligentsia, journalists, editors. One of our most important allies was the media workers. And Wu Kai-xi and the demonstrators were hunger striking just as the world's media arrived for a crucial political summit. Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev was meeting Chinese ruler Dong Xiaoping. So the journalists came in and saw, wow, there's a mass sit-in. We came to cover a summit and we walk into a revolution. With the demonstrations being broadcast on television screens, the protests swell even more.

33:45Huge crowds of people were pouring onto the streets in a triumphant mood, sensing it seemed that the tide of hatred against the regime was unstoppable. By the end of May, the pressure to the Chinese regime have reached to such a high point Deng Xiaoping decided, okay, I'm going to say no to those peaceful demonstrators, but I'm going to make sure the whole country can also hear our answer. They start to mobilize in troops coming to Beijing, hundreds of thousands of troops wearing helmets, and then there were tanks. To do what? To remove, warn out hunger strikers in the Tiananmen Square? There is shock, there is bewilderment, there is utter rage.

34:33They thought they never would fire on their own people. It was one of the things they were shouting at them last night. You are Chinese people's army killing the Chinese people. Stop it, stop it. In June 4th, there was a massacre. I was in a hospital due to my heart condition, triggered by a hunger strike. But even in the hospital, I hear gunshots and everything, and then also the casualty poured into the hospital. So yes, it's loud, it's bloody, it's visible. Wu Kai-xi, one-time student protest organiser in China, was speaking to Tom Bonnet. Next, we're heading to Ireland, where the modern medium of television finally recognised the growing demand for broadcasting in the Irish language.

35:21It came in 1996 with the launch of the first channel dedicated exclusively to what's also known as Irish Gaelic. Lorcan Clancy has been hearing from the woman who opened the new TV station. I remember telling myself not to trip. As I walked towards camera, I had the whole piece said to myself over and over and over. All I wanted to do was get it out cleanly, clearly, without tripping up my words or my feet. Sinead Niquir was the first presenter to speak on the new station which was called Telefisna Gaelga or Tina G The launch was on Halloween night in 1996 That evening there were fireworks, dancing carnival performers and a party atmosphere outside the new TV studios in County Galway So yeah, I had to walk out the door and as if I was inviting everybody in this is the party, come in, come in to the house we'll show you around.

36:24So I had my piece to say and then I had to turn to the other presenter Alfa Omonachan. And he had a piece to say and then we followed back indoors again. It was just it was really nerve-wracking and exciting and adrenaline and a rush and everything. Yeah, yeah. I could still feel that. In the Republic of Ireland, Irish is actually the first official language, but it's also a minority language. Most native speakers are in the Gwailtacht regions, traditional Irish-speaking areas on the West Coast. Outside those areas, the language is widely learned in schools, but rarely used in everyday conversation.

37:13From the late 1960s, native speakers campaigned for more Irish language broadcasting, Some even set up unofficial pirate stations, like Free Radio Connemara, to prove there was an audience for it.

37:29Responding to this growing pressure, the national broadcaster RTE launched a dedicated Irish-language radio station, Radio Na Gaeiltaigta, in 1972. St Macdara's church in Carrow was packed for Radio Na Gaeiltaigta's first live transmission. Mass was sung by a choir from Connemara, Culey, and the Dominican choir from Tala.

37:52The next step was a dedicated TV channel. But by the time Tina G launched in 1996, times had changed. Sulele was their tagline, still is, which is another perspective, another eye, a different look at things. And they wanted it to be new and modern and to move away, I suppose, from all the old connotations of Irish and church and state and all the old guard. And they placed a great emphasis on programmes for the youth and for the young, always. In the run-up to the launch, Irish language programmes were being recorded, while the live on-air talent was recruited. Sinead sent in a showreel. She was called to an audition and then a training week, where a group of potential presenters were put through their paces.

38:47It was a week in Galway and they had people from the BBC training us on how to perform in front of camera. We had to go out and record things outside, walk and talk, doing pieces to camera. They were just throwing stuff at us to see how good we would perform live on camera or recorded. And then I got a call to say that they had selected two for continuity and weather and presenting on Tina G. And I was number three. They had selected a man and a woman and the woman subsequently turned down the offer. So they rang me as the next in line and I said yes.

39:33They'll be the new faces and the new voices of the nightly news service on Telefíthionagéilge. The service will be one of the driving forces of the station's four-hour nightly schedule. The equipment the news teams are using is the most sophisticated in the world. That report from RTE News emphasised the scale and the ambition of the new station. The control room was all new. cutting edge in the mixing room, in the director's room. The studio was newly built. The whole station was newly built. So even on open night, there were still laying cables under the floor. So there were square tiles. Some of them were up and some of them were down and you'd be walking over like stepping stones across the tiles.

40:16The logistics of that open night programme were huge and complex. So we were rehearsing and rehearsing, walking and talking and the moving camera to broadcast live the pieces to camera that we were saying. And do you still remember your opening words and what you said? I do. How sad is that? I said. I said, a nacht ích a cháinna, a nacht ích a chrúigta, a nacht ích a oscalte, Tina G.

40:53That means tonight is Halloween. Tonight is a magic night. Tonight is the opening night of Tina G. I remember actually afterwards, I drew the short straw and I had to stay to do the weather at the close of the station at 11 o 'clock that night. And everybody went off to a party in the hotel down the road and I was left there to do the weather and by the time I got down to the party they were closing the bar. Tina G offered sport, news, documentaries, quiz shows even an Irish language soap opera, Ross Naroon. Everything you could already get in English was now available in Irish and crucially it was a platform where all the main dialects of the language could be heard.

41:39There are three main dialects in Irish and they're quite different. They really are quite different. I was coming from Dublin with learned Irish. I was not a native speaker and I had great difficulty understanding the native speakers when they would speak too fast. You know, as we all do, we run words into each other and we skip over words when we're really fluent in the language. And we already had at that point, Radio na Gaelteachta, where in the main, native speakers were the voices that you heard. Telefíis na Gaelge was for the Irish language, for everybody, for learners, for fluent speakers, for native speakers.

42:23So they wanted all dialects and all levels to be heard and for it to provide a way into the language for everybody all over the country. The station was renamed TG4 or TG Cahar in 1999 and it's still broadcasting today. It was hugely significant for the language because it brought the Irish language into the modern day. It was no longer in books. It was no longer in the corner on the radio. It was front and central and people could watch it. This just makes a huge difference to the strength of a language, to the life of a language. There were parties all over the country celebrating that on the night that it launched.

43:11This had been sought for so many years to put Irish on the same footing. And what did it mean to you personally to be that opening voice, the first presenter on Tina G? Actually, I think since I was really small, I wanted to be on television. And here I was on television. I opened the station. It was really, even just in recent years when I think about it, it's a really significant moment that there I am launching a new station. And yeah, it was a very proud moment. Lorcan Clancy was speaking to Sinead Niguir, the woman who launched the Irish language TV station TG4. And now this week's sporting witness.

43:55The 2026 Football World Cup is not the first time the competition has landed in the USA. In 1994, America hosted the World Cup on its own that time. Matt Pintus has been hearing about the things that worked well back then and those that fell a bit flat, like the ceremonial penalty kick taken by none other than Diana Ross. It's the 17th of June 1994. More than 67 ,000 people have turned out in Chicago to see the first match of the World Cup. The opening ceremony is just about to start. We were trying to ensure that this would be a great event in addition to a great soccer competition. That's Alan Rothenberg, the man in charge of organising the whole tournament.

44:39We were using superstars wherever we could. For the opening match, we asked Diana Ross to appear, which she did. Can you remember how much you paid her? $50 ,000 for five minutes. Chat show supremo Oprah Winfrey is on hosting duties. And the crowd is at fever pitch in the hot-baking Chicago sun. It's time for a big show. Hello and welcome to the billions watching around the world, Oprah screams into the mic. She goes on, now, everybody, let's celebrate with the incomparable Miss Diana Ross. Miss Ross strides out onto the pitch, red shell suit, white top, hair flowing. There's an arrow the length of the entire pitch, formed out of hundreds of dancers.

45:27The dancers part, splitting the arrow in half, creating a clear pathway for Miss Ross to joyfully dance through like the megastar she is. There's a ball. There's a goal. It's a penalty kick. What could go wrong? An opening ceremony conceived as all that's best in American showbiz glitz, but that merely proved to show that for a singer, Diana Ross makes a pretty poor footballer. Miss Ross strikes the ball. She aims to the goalkeeper's right, but Miss Ross misses. It's wide of the post. Never mind, it's show business after all. The show must go on. It was just something we all laughed at. In some ways it might have been more entertaining than if she'd have made it.

46:10Did you think at that point it was going to be a bad omen for the World Cup? No, I was really confident at that point. As much as I might have been worried when I first took over, we knew from the advanced ticket sales and the general buzz out there among the fandom, we had a winner on our hands.

46:30As Diana Ross was coming out, she was saying, I'm coming out. In some ways that was also kind of a coda for the tournament and for soccer in the United States. Because that's when we came out.

46:45Alan Rothenberg was well known as one of the early pioneers of football in the United States. Or as they call it there, soccer. At the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles, Alan was in charge of organising the game's soccer competition. and it was a big success with more people turning out to watch soccer than athletics. The final between France and Brazil drew a crowd of 100 ,000 people. FIFA, the governing body, were very impressed. That's when FIFA kind of looked and said, well, maybe we can take the risk of bringing the World Cup to the United States and not be embarrassed because prior to that they were really afraid that if they came here there'd be empty stadiums and it would just be a black mark on their record.

47:30And so they were receptive to agreeing to bring the World Cup to the United States. In 1990, Rothenberg was approached by FIFA to organise the 1994 World Cup. The USA had been awarded the tournament two years earlier and it was a massive shock in the footballing world because the country's professional league had collapsed six years previously. But planning for the tournament wasn't going well, so Rothenberg was hastily drafted in to save the day. FIFA needed someone who they knew would deliver. Rothenberg had a major job on his hands, and it was a challenge he relished. First of all, financially, this was a not-profit organisation, so they didn't have a lot of funding, and so we had the prospect of no money to pay bills.

48:17I flew to St. Louis, home of Anheuser-Busch, Budweiser. typically the sponsors don't pay money two or three years in advance they start paying it just before the event takes place and so i basically was begging them to advance some money up front that funding was secured and a clever marketing plan meant millions of americans were buying tickets well in advance which got the money rolling in alan realized that america had to prove the doubters wrong and put on a big spectacular show he wanted it to be more than just the footballing competition? We had these great stadiums, basically for American football, most of them professional, some of them college.

48:56An event like the World Cup has to be played in the biggest and best stadiums. And then the other challenge was that FIFA had made the Federation promise that they would start a professional league. FIFA's expectation would be that that league would be started prior to the 94 World Cup. I said, A, there's no way we can put it together in a proper way. And B, I think we need the excitement of the World Cup itself to generate enough interest to get investors, sponsors, media and fans to support a league. So you asked me what the landscape looked like. It was pretty bleak. We had a ton of work to do, but fortunately we were able to do it.

49:37With days to go before the start of the World Cup, Rothenberg was in a confident mood. He'd managed to book some of the biggest stars that America had to offer. We had Robin Williams, who was hysterical. We had Smokey Robinson. We had Liza Minnelli. At the final, we had Whitney Houston, who at that time was probably the biggest star. We had virtually all the tickets sold, so I wasn't worried about that. Concern always was for security. We had a little bit of luck on that front because those were the days still of hooliganism. You may remember that England did not qualify that year, which I was delighted in terms of saving a lot of money on the extra security that we would have needed.

50:21How much money do you think you saved? Somewhere between five and ten million dollars. The World Cup was a huge success for the US, with more fans attending than ever before. FIFA's gamble had paid off too. Their choice of hosts had been really unpopular, and yet it had been the most watched World Cup of all time. In the final, pre-tournament favourites Brazil took on Italy. The match went to penalties. Italy's star player Roberto Baggio, known as the Divine Ponytail, stepped up. For Italy, it was the cruelest way to lose, on penalty kicks after a frustrating goalless draw. When Roberto Baggio, ironically the player most responsible for Italy reaching the final, missed their fifth kick at Pasadena's Rose Bowl, it confirmed Brazil as the champions.

51:05It was almost like deja vu. First Miss Ross in the opening ceremony and now one of the world's greatest footballers in the final, both missing crucial penalties. I mean, everybody's, oh my God, it's like the shock. My son is a photographer and I had given him a credential to just freely roam wherever he wanted to. and he has a phenomenal photograph of the Italian goalkeeper hugging Baggio. They're really, really moving. The World Cup was over. Alan had turned it around and cemented his place in US sport folklore. He was on top of the world, but he never let the fame get to his head. Football fans are really special in a lot of ways, one of which is they love going up to people involved and taking pictures with them and asking for autographs.

51:54and I had been cautioning all our people that all this is great and you got to do it because you want to make the fans happy. But I understand that the minute the tournament is over, you're history. So the day after the final match, there was a press conference at the Rose Bowl and a man and his kid with a camera came up to approach me and I'm starting to get my smile ready. and they said, sir, would you take a picture of me and my son with the Rose Bowl in the background? And I said, OK. I guess the message that I was giving to my staff, I just felt, our fame is fleeting, if you will.

52:34Alan Rothenberg, who went on to organise the 1999 Women's World Cup and in 2006 he was given FIFA's highest award, the Order of Merit. He was speaking to Matt Pintus in 2022. Finally this week, we are in Australia to reveal the history of what is arguably that country's quirkiest contribution to the world of art, the so-called big things. In 1963, a giant sculpture of a Scotsman appeared outside the Scotty Motel in Adelaide. It was followed by a giant banana, a giant koala and even a giant potato. Today, big things are found all over the country, adding a particular flavour to the Australian landscape.

53:13Paul Kelly was the artist behind both The Big Scotsman and the equally iconic Big Lobster. He and his daughter, Christabel Kelly, have been telling Stefania Gozza how the sculptures came to life. Australians have to drive long distances. It's a huge country. So perhaps these big things are made to draw attention to the towns that they're in so that people will stop. This is Christabel Kelly. I am also the daughter of Paul Kelly, the person who made the first big thing in Australia. Paul is the creator of a five metre tall Scotsman who sits on the roof of Scotty's Motel. The sculpture is called, of course, The Big Scotsman, but it's also known as Scotty.

54:03When he was first constructed, he was delightful. He had a sparring, little tartan bits at the top of his spats, a big hat on and bagpipes. And here's Paul speaking from the care home where he now lives. I was obviously a proven artist at the time, but I can't remember who approached me to build it. Paul is 96 and he doesn't remember much of how he built Scotty. But of his seven children, Christabel has volunteered to fill the gaps from her home in Ireland. That's the miracle of having got a lot of friends or family. Very true, Paul. The first time I heard that my father was doing this was just picking up conversations between family members.

55:07His boss, George Vardas, was commissioned to make an enormous statue for a hotel in the north of Adelaide. It sat at a very prominent junction where anyone entering from the north of South Australia would see this hotel. I understand it was the owner of the hotel who commissioned Scotty. Paul was living with his family in Aldinga, in the south of Adelaide. He had worked on several projects, but this was the first time he'd been asked to create such a big sculpture. There weren't any sketches of Scottish because they were built from an actual person. I'd forgotten who the person was. It wasn't me.

56:02He measured all of the proportions of the giant Scotsman that he was making from one of his co-workers. He would go to this man and measure his arm and scale that up and measure his hand and scale that up. It was a very meticulous process getting the body correct. Yeah, the head had to be right, otherwise there's no use doing the thing at all. And so I made sure that everything about the head was according to the Scottish tradition. And the shape was my head. It was a time when Paul was experimenting with new materials, and so was young Cristobal. when he first bought this material home fiberglass I think I was about six years old and my sister Alice and I thought it was amazing and we rubbed ourselves with fiberglass and of course we were itchy for weeks afterwards Scotty was constructed on a steel frame and then chicken wire was put on top of that to make a rough outline and then hessian was placed over that and then the whole thing was sprayed with polyurethane and carved back.

57:51My grandmother bought me a very small Scotty doll so that I could think about what the big Scotsman was going to be like. But one thing I do remember is my father picking me up and walking me around the entire Scotsman when it was lying down. And I thought it was fantastic, but of course I just wanted to look up its kilt to see what was underneath. And so Christabel became the first of thousands of Australian children captivated with Scotty and intrigued by what was under his guilt. A year after Scotty was built, another big thing appeared in Coffs Harbour on the east coast, a giant banana designed to lure customers to a fruit stall.

58:46Many more followed. There's a list of around 150 big things across Australia though some scholars argue the true number is well over a thousand. Then in 1979, 16 years after building Scotty, Paul was commissioned to create his second big thing, the Big Lobster, better known as Larry the Lobster. My father worked on it, my brother Tim worked on it, my sister Elizabeth worked on it, my husband worked on it, my brother-in-law's worked on it. And that was commissioned by a fisherman from the southeast of South Australia. My father would eat lobster at home and break it into its component parts and then measure it with a ruler and scale it up.

59:41But Christabel is not very fond of Larry. I was pregnant with my first child and when my husband came home from work, he would smell like fiberglass and beer and I really disliked that smell. I couldn't stand it. I was really happy when Larry was loaded onto semi-trailers and sent away. Australia's big things aren't always perfect. There's a big kangaroo with very long eyelashes, a big penguin with tiny feet, and a big frog whose foot appears to be on backwards. I do enjoy driving around and looking at other large things, but with a certain amount of smugness, because some of them don't quite work.

1:00:38She's proud of her father's big things, although Paul has a very different way of seeing it. Never got proud of it. Once you get proud of your own work, it gets destroyed. You must never be proud of your own work. Sage advice from Paul Kelly, the artist who made the first of Australia's now famous big thing sculptures. Paul and his daughter, Christabel Kelly, were speaking to Stefania Godza. And with those towering images in mind, we've come to the end of this edition of the History Hour. Next week, we'll be transported by a special look deep into the BBC Sound archives. For now, though, this is Max Pearson from all of us here.

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