The priest behind a new airport and Agatha Christie

24 Jan 2026 · 1 h · 29 chapters

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Podcast Episode Summary: The History Hour - The Priest Behind a New Airport and Agatha Christie

Episode Overview

  • Title: The Priest Behind a New Airport and Agatha Christie
  • Host: Max Pearson
  • Description: A collection of the week's Witness History interviews from the BBC World Service, focusing on historical events surrounding airport development, World War II deception, tragic space missions, and notable figures like Agatha Christie.

Key Topics Discussed

  1. The Visionary Behind Knock Airport
  2. Guest: Sugandhi Jayaraman, lecturer in air transport management
  3. Key Focus: The evolution of airports and the story of Monsignor James Horan, who pursued the dream of building Knock Airport in Ireland.

Key Points

  • Background:
  • Knock Airport opened in 1986, making air travel accessible to a previously remote area of Ireland.
  • Monsignor Horan raised funds through creative community efforts, involving locals in the fundraising process.
  • Community Impact:
  • The airport provided a way for Irish immigrants in America and the UK to return home more easily.
  • Knock Airport has since become a significant hub, welcoming prominent visitors like Pope Francis and President Joe Biden.
  1. Operation Mincemeat
  2. Context: A WWII deception plan aimed at misleading the Germans about Allied invasion plans.
  3. Contributors: Roger Morgan, amateur historian; Jane Wilkinson, interviewer.
  4. Core Story:
  5. The British intelligence used a corpse to plant false documents that led the Germans to believe the Allies would invade Greece instead of Sicily.
  6. The operation was successful, diverting German forces and contributing to the Allies' victory in Sicily.
  1. The Challenger Shuttle Disaster
  2. Guest: Barbara Morgan, backup astronaut for Krista McAuliffe.
  3. Overview:
  4. Key Event: The Challenger shuttle exploded shortly after launch on January 28, 1986, killing all seven crew members.
  5. Impact: The event was televised live and caused national mourning. The investigation revealed flaws in NASA's communication and decision-making processes.
  6. Personal Reflection: Barbara Morgan shared her experiences and how the tragedy influenced her journey to eventually go to space in 2007.
  1. Commemoration of Agatha Christie
  2. Interviewer: Louise Hidalgo, speaking with Matthew Prichard, Agatha Christie's grandson.
  3. Highlights:
  4. Agatha Christie is celebrated for her contributions to crime fiction, having authored over 80 novels and plays.
  5. Prichard shared insights into her character, her writing process, and her lasting impact on literature.
  6. The episode reflects on her unique ability to weave engaging mysteries that captivated audiences worldwide.
  1. Ayatollah Khomeini’s Return to Iran
  2. Interviewee: Mohsen Sazegara, who worked closely with Khomeini.
  3. Historical Context:
  4. Khomeini's return in 1979 marked the beginning of the Islamic Revolution, as he returned from exile to lead a significant shift in Iranian governance.
  5. The episode captures the fervor of the moment, as millions gathered to welcome Khomeini back to Iran.

Key Takeaways

  • The evolution of airports has been driven by both community needs and technological advancements.
  • Operation Mincemeat illustrates the importance of strategic deception in wartime tactics.
  • The Challenger disaster serves as a reminder of the risks associated with space exploration and the human cost of technological failures.
  • Agatha Christie’s legacy continues to influence readers and writers, marking her as a pivotal figure in literature.
  • Khomeini's return to Iran was a transformational event, reshaping the political landscape of the country.

Conclusion This episode of The History Hour successfully intertwines various historical narratives, showcasing the profound impact of individual vision, the consequences of war, the tragedies of exploration, and the legacies left by remarkable figures like Agatha Christie and Ayatollah Khomeini. Each segment serves as a testament to the complexities and nuances of history as experienced by those who lived through it.

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Historical Highlights of the Week

1:25 to 2:56

Explore various historical events including Operation Mincemeat and the Challenger disaster.

“I felt almost insignificant, like a tiny ant compared to the immensity of the universe.”

The Vision Behind Knock Airport

2:56 to 4:50

Discover the story of how Monsignor James Horan envisioned and initiated the building of Knock Airport.

“dream of an Irish priest, Monsignor James Horan, who raised millions to have it built.”

The Challenges and Triumphs of Building an Airport

4:50 to 7:10

Learn about the obstacles faced by Monsignor Horan and the community in building the airport.

“and persuaded local construction workers to help him build it, even though at first they had no money and no government approval.”

Inauguration of Knock Airport

7:10 to 9:06

Relive the opening day of Knock Airport and the excitement it generated in the community.

“And on May 30th, 1986, Nog Airport officially opened.”

Monsignor Horan's Legacy and Passing

9:06 to 11:02

Reflect on the legacy of Monsignor Horan and the impact of his passing shortly after the airport's opening.

“And over the decades, Nock has welcomed some very special visitors.”

Evolution of Airports and Modern Challenges

11:02 to 14:01

Discuss the evolution of airports and challenges in modern aviation, with insights from Sugandi Jayaraman.

“And that was a very sombre occasion here.”

Challenges in Airport Development

14:01 to 16:19

Learn about the complexities involved in building modern airports, especially in urban areas.

“they tend to have access possibilities like metro rails and other things as part of the development plan.”

Operation Mincemeat: A WWII Deception

16:19 to 19:29

Explore the fascinating story of Operation Mincemeat, a pivotal deception by British intelligence during WWII.

“Roger Morgan has been speaking to Jane Wilkinson.”

The Execution of the Hoax

19:29 to 23:07

Understand how the hoax was executed, including the creation of a fictitious identity and the deployment of a corpse.

“They got genuine theatre tickets and club tennis tickets.”

The Identity Revealed

23:07 to 25:09

Discover the identity of the man behind the Major William Martin persona and the aftermath of the operation.

“Enter Roger Morgan in 1996, an amateur historian who'd read Montague's memoir, The Man Who Never Was.”
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The Challenger Disaster Overview

26:23 to 28:00

Recall the tragic events of the Challenger space shuttle disaster and its historical context.

“And we remember the Queen of Crime, Agatha Christie.”

The Challenger Disaster: A Sequence of Events

28:00 to 29:16

Learn about the catastrophic moments leading to the Challenger explosion.

“Seconds after takeoff, a small component on one of the solid rocket boosters fails.”

Barbara Morgan's Journey to NASA

29:16 to 31:28

Discover Barbara Morgan's path to becoming an astronaut and her connection to Krista McAuliffe.

“explosion intact, and it's thought the crew may have been conscious during their four-minute plunge from the sky, but there was no way for them to survive the impact as they hit the sea at 140 miles an hour.”

Preparing for the Challenger Launch

31:28 to 33:36

Explore the rigorous training and anticipation for the historic Challenger launch.

“to undergo the rigorous NASA training programme together.”

The Immediate Aftermath of the Challenger Explosion

33:36 to 34:21

Understand the national reaction and mourning following the Challenger disaster.

“The Americans watched it live on television.”

Barbara Morgan's Perseverance

34:21 to 35:25

Learn about Barbara Morgan's journey after the Challenger disaster and her eventual success as an astronaut.

“President Reagan postponed his State of the Union address to make an emotional speech.”

Remembering Agatha Christie

35:33 to 38:20

Explore the legacy and personal anecdotes of Agatha Christie shared by her grandson.

“Louise Hidalgo spoke to the author's grandson in 2015.”

Agatha Christie's Writing Process and Characters

38:20 to 42:00

Gain insights into Agatha Christie's writing habits and the inspirations behind her famous characters.

“So what was the secret of Agatha Christie's enduring appeal?”

Exploring Agatha Christie's Creative Process

42:00 to 43:35

Learn about Agatha Christie's unique approach to developing characters and stories.

“and I find a dictaphone useful for short stories or for recasting an act of a play, but not for the more complicated business of working out a novel.”

The Historical Context of the 1948 Olympics

43:35 to 44:56

Discover the significance of the 1948 Olympics and India's first gold medal victory.

“and remembering his grandmother, the great Agatha Christie, whose books continue to sell by the millions of copies each year.”

Balbir Singh's Memorable Olympic Debut

44:56 to 47:31

Hear about Balbir Singh's impressive performance in the 1948 Olympic hockey tournament.

“Of course it was exciting to go to the capital city of the ex-masters.”

India's Historic Victory Over Great Britain

47:31 to 49:28

Explore the match where India beat Great Britain to win gold in hockey.

“It was enough to help India to a place in the semi-finals against the Netherlands.”

The Impact of Olympic Victory on Balbir Singh's Life

49:28 to 51:15

Learn how winning the Olympics transformed Balbir Singh's life and legacy.

“And when Belbir and his teammates got home, they received a hero's welcome.”

Balbir Singh's Continued Success in Hockey

51:15 to 51:57

Discover Balbir Singh's achievements following his Olympic success.

“I proclaim the closing of the Games of the 14th Olympiad.”

Ayatollah Khomeini's Return to Iran

52:25 to 56:00

Explore the dramatic return of Ayatollah Khomeini and its implications for Iran.

“we're looking back at the beginnings of the theocratic government.”

A Historic Welcome: The Arrival of Ayatollah Khomeini

56:00 to 57:46

Listeners will learn about the extraordinary public reception for Ayatollah Khomeini in Tehran and its emotional impact.

“Inside the airport terminal, a huge crowd was waiting.”

The Revolutionary Spirit and Early Challenges

57:46 to 59:16

The segment discusses the immediate aftermath of Khomeini's return and the chaos in Iran.

“The journalists headed for the hotels and offices, and Mohsen decided to go home.”

The Day of the Revolution: A Turning Point

59:16 to 1:00:14

An account of the dramatic events on the day of the revolution that led to the fall of the Shah's government.

“Four days after returning to Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini appointed his own prime minister.”

The Aftermath and Disillusionment

1:00:14 to 1:01:19

Exploring Mohsen Sazegara's experience in the new Islamic Republic and his later disillusionment.

“Army barracks were plundered and guns distributed almost like confetti.”
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0:00This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK.

0:30starts with a subscription to bbc.com. Find out more at bbc.com slash unlimited. I am Nina Khrushcheva, the great-granddaughter of Nikita Khrushchev, the leader of the Soviet Union in 1962. And I'm Max Kennedy, the nephew of US President John F. Kennedy. We explore what was a terrifying moment in history. The story of the Cuban Missile Crisis. How close the world came to nuclear war. And what they had to do to pull it back from the brink. The bomb, Kennedy and Khrushchev. All episodes available now, wherever you get your BBC podcasts.

1:24space. The first man ever to do so. I felt almost insignificant, like a tiny ant compared to the immensity of the universe. Witness History from the BBC World Service. Listen now. Search for Witness History wherever you get your BBC podcasts.

1:47Hello and welcome to the History Hour from the BBC World Service with me, Max Pearson, the past brought to life by those who were there. This week, Operation Mincemeat, the Second World War hoax involving secret documents and a washed-up body. Well, it really all started through a wild idea of Georgie's, and one of those subtle and ingenious minds which is forever throwing up fantastic ideas, sometimes quite brilliant in their simplicity and sometimes useless. Also, the return of Ayatollah Khomeini to Iran in 1979, and the 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger disaster. I remember saying bye Krista, bye crew and waving and Godspeed and I'm so excited for you.

2:29I remember thinking gosh I wish I were with you. Challenger now heading down range. That's all coming up later but first a bit of aviation history. While the dramatic expansion of air transport has been a feature of the past century, access to international travel hasn't reached all corners of the globe even for some in the modern developed world. So it was with some excitement that in 1986 a new airport opened in a remote part of Ireland. It was the dream of an Irish priest, Monsignor James Horan, who raised millions to have it built. Piers Concanon has been speaking to Colm Flynn. God, I remember it only like yesterday.

3:07It was like the awe, the spark. All of a sudden you see these two aircraft dropping in off the sky and saying, what in the Lord God is happening in Ireland? What is happening in Noc? That's Piers Concanon, who in 1986 was among thousands of others, pressed up against the fence of a new airport, watching the first planes touch down. When you grew up in the west of Ireland, it was very much poverty, even in the 80s. Our families were all in the UK or in America working. Immigration was extremely high. And all of a sudden we had these two aircraft flying in by Aer Lingus, and it was just wow, wow, wow.

3:48For the first time, planes were landing and taking off from Knock Airport in County Mayo in the west of Ireland. It was an extraordinary achievement. The building of an international airport on a boggy and foggy hillside in one of Ireland's poorest rural regions. And what made the story even more remarkable was who built it. The local parish priest. Speaking here to RTE News.

4:28Monsignor James Horan was the parish priest at Knock a small village world famous for the 1879 apparition of Her Lady Pilgrims had long travelled there from around the world but the journey involved flying into Dublin and then hours on a bus across the country Monsignor Horan decided NOC needed its own international airport and persuaded local construction workers to help him build it, even though at first they had no money and no government approval. And I think it's marvellous, aren't you? Are you being absolutely serious about what's going on here? We have no money, but we're hoping to get it next week or the week after.

5:06Which I mean, I'm going ahead anyhow, just taking a chance. Pierce Concanon, then in his 20s and working at the Basilica, remembers the Monsignor's unshakable determination. He was a driving force. He just wanted people to come to knock. It's the apparition. Plus he knew from his own family, his own suffering, people going away back in the 50s to America, not returning. He wanted to give them the opportunity to come back home again. That was his big driving force behind, I need an airport. You're waiting for financial commitment and waiting for permission. We might be waiting here for the next 20 years.

5:37I might be dead. I'm an old man in a hurry. Monsignor Horan was hugely popular and as the Irish might say a real character and he had that I suppose dangerous smile look guys I need your help how did he do it? how did he build the airport? with no government approval no money really to get it done again when you ask the question and I suppose looking back on myself my mother, I had a great mother and she used to collect money she used to sell tickets a pound a line they used to sell a brick a pound or brick or two euros or brick or whatever and raise money and it was through collections and they'd write out to everybody everybody in this country got a letter so your own parents would have got a letter from Monsignor Ordon saying can you contribute to an airport News soon spread around the world A country priest was building an international airport on a bog in the west of Ireland The story even featured on CBS's 60 Minutes in the USA Monsignor Horan, parish priest of the village of Nock, using a combination of guile, blarney and faith, he has managed to get help for the village from tight-fisted authorities.

6:49One bishop, an admirer, calls him a pious old rogue. God bless. You're welcome to Nog. Thank you.

7:03After five years of setbacks, criticism and creative fundraising, Monsignor Horan somehow raised£10 million, roughly€40 million today. And on May 30th, 1986, Nog Airport officially opened. The first flight was an Erlinga service from Dublin. In the air, it was business as usual for the pilots. But on the ground, it was a carnival. Thousands of people, a marching band, TV cameras, and of course, at the centre of it all, Monsignor Horn, holding a megaphone. You're lovely people, lovely people. This is Monsignor Horn, I'm from Tullamore. Tell them all. Good care. What are your feelings as the pilgrims begin to arrive, Monsignor?

7:53Oh, it's marvellous. I mean, words can't describe how I feel. In spite of the begrudgers. Well, you know, God bless them too. Horan now had his airport, but he needed staff, including a fire and rescue service. And that's when he turned to Pierce Concanon. And I was on my third year bricklaying apprenticeship when Monsignor walked into the kitchen. as he did every Monday or every day at 11 o 'clock and said, guys, I'm stuck for a fire service in the airport. And we turned up on Tuesday, which was April Fool's Day. What a day to start. April the 1st, 1986 for 16 weeks fire training course. And that's how it all started.

8:34We just couldn't get to work fast enough, I'll be honest with you. Up in the morning, get into work. We're going to see aircraft. And it went from propeller planes to jet planes. And it must have been so exciting. these huge metal birds coming in from the clouds and landing in your local rural area. It was and it is. I mean, I'm still at awe when you see aircraft today arriving there with 300 or 400 passengers coming from all over the world. Piers has worked in the airport ever since. Nearly 40 years later, he's still there. And over the decades, Nock has welcomed some very special visitors. Pope Francis, who flew in to visit the Basilica in 2018, and US President Joe Biden, who landed there in 2023 to see his ancestral home.

9:21Connacht Tower, good afternoon. Air Force 1, flight level 1-0, descending flight level 8-0. Air Force 1, Skypie South, descend to 5 ,000 feet. Today, it's officially known as Ireland West Airport Knock, serving around 800 ,000 passengers a year, the third busiest airport in Ireland. And as you drive up, you'll still see fields and trees on either side and a large bronze statue of Monsignor Horan, arms outstretched in welcome. Well, I am looking into the future and I see thousands and thousands of people coming here, thousands of planes landing here that will bring prosperity to this part of the country.

9:59And it will lead on to very, very big things indeed for this area. The poignant part of the story is that for Monsignor Horan, he worked so hard to make this happen, to make his dream a reality. And a lot of people say that it really took his toll on him. Yeah, so it opened up in May. Obviously, he had four or five hard years. And it's OK saying that people were good to him and they were and the money was coming in. But he was still taking major risks. All of that did take his toll. I mean, he's a human being. He was in his 70s. and it did take his toll and he was starting to slow up and even he won't have his first flight out to Lourdes and that happened and then we got word that following on the 1st of August Monsignor Horan passed away Only three months after the airport had opened in 1986 Monsignor Horan died while on pilgrimage in Lourdes, France His body was flown home fittingly through the very airport he had built And that was wow for everybody in Ireland.

11:00That was massive news. You'll never forget it. And that was a very sombre occasion here. And again, it's said history. First human remains back into Nock. And we've had thousands of human remains returning from the UK ever since. It's obviously an extraordinarily moving moment for you. It is. Well, all the saints, all the Irish saints in heaven will be praying for us now, and all the Irish saints in... I mean, I'm still at all when you see aircraft today arriving there with 300 or 400 passengers coming from all over the world. It's something, it's still a dream and I'm very fortunate to have 40 years here and 40 years later, man, I'm still enjoying it.

11:38Thank you, God.

11:45Piersk and Cannon were speaking to Colm Flynn. Knock Airport, built as a result of the vision of one Irish priest who wanted pilgrims to come from around the world. Most airports, of course, serve major cities, not remote boggy locations with a single attraction. Sugandi Jayaraman is a lecturer in air transport management at the University of Westminster. Welcome. So flight began as an experiment with the Wright brothers and so on, but military possibilities were quickly identified. So therefore, the first airports would have been, what, military airfields, literally. Yes, you're bang on, actually.

12:18Most airports, especially the initial ones, were military airfields or were used for early aviation experiments. But the evolution itself, I think you have to consider it from three different lenses. The first one is how their ownership and operating models changed over time. Then how the aircraft technologies and the security protocols changed over time impacting airfield and terminal layouts. And then the air travel demand, so how passenger types changed over time. So between the two world wars was the golden age of flying, where flying was a luxury, and some of those military airfields were converted partially to receive passengers.

12:58And airports became social hubs, attracting plane gazers and visitors to their observation decks. And early civilian airports would have been sited to serve population centres. And because early passenger planes would have been, well, not very big, the airports could be built quite close to the city centres. The idea was the airport would be slightly remote, but not too remote, because access was an issue. And the propeller planes were not nearly as noisy as the jet planes. So they could be in an area which is slightly away, but not exactly in residential areas, to be honest. But then they could be about 20, 25 miles away from downtown or the city centre.

13:36So now we've had an evolution where the airports have had to get bigger to accommodate the bigger planes and presumably moved further away from the population centres they serve. Yes, that's right. Because these days, airports tend to be played further away because of the noise restrictions. Most airports are trying to deal with the regulation around air quality, but also noise. And most airports, when they're conceptualised, they tend to have access possibilities like metro rails and other things as part of the development plan. And there are airports now on reclaimed land. And some examples are Kanzai Airport, which is in an island close to Japan, and that caters to about 25 million passengers.

14:18And they have routes, bridges that connect the main city to the airport. The process of building bigger airports has not always been comfortable. I mean, I gather you were involved with a new airport in Mumbai some years back, which required the clearing of places where people were living. Yes, that's right. So Mumbai Airport had quite a few challenges. And the first one was airport land. There was, I think, hundreds of acres of airport land was encroached by slum dwellings and squatters. And therefore, the airport had to come up with extensive rehabilitation projects of a complex and that had to pass through various regulations.

14:58And people had to be provided with tenements where they could be rehoused. So that took a few months, in fact, years to negotiate. Then the second element was that the airport itself was located in a city. So it's bang in the middle of Mumbai. So there were a few challenges with regards to the forecourt development, because a river was flowing quite close to the forecourt and it had to be diverted. And of course, environmental concerns, etc. has to be also mitigated. And the third bit was also in terms of having a brownfield project. So a project where there is a functioning airport and it can't be shut down, the operations have to go on.

15:42And equally, there are construction projects in different parts of airport land. So negotiating that is also a challenge in most cases, which is why brownfield airports take much longer to construct and expand when compared to greenfield airports. And airports almost have become destinations in themselves. There were observation decks even at LaGuardia, which were quite famous and appealed to plane gazers. There are terraces now. In Berlin, there is an observation deck where you could pay a modest fee and visitors, passengers could just go up there and watch the planes. That was Sugandi Jayaraman, lecturer in air transport management at the University of Westminster.

16:18Next, we have the story of one of the most extraordinary acts of strategic deception from the Second World War conducted by British intelligence. Roger Morgan has been speaking to Jane Wilkinson.

16:32It's the early hours of the 30th of April 1943 and the body of a British naval officer has been washed up on a Spanish beach. The dead man is holding top secret papers revealing details of a planned Allied invasion and it's not long before they fall into enemy hands. And of course it's a great story. The idea of the British government requisitioning a corpse and then floating a body of straw from a submarine. Clutching a briefcase full of forged documents is pretty amazing and Churchill had to authorise it in person. That's Roger Morgan, a retired planning officer from London and we'll get to his role in this story later.

17:13But first, let's meet the man behind the hoax. Lieutenant Commander Ewan Montagu, head of a British Naval Intelligence Unit, here speaking to the BBC in 1961. Well, it really all started through a wild idea of Georges. Of course, that wasn't his real name. It had one of those subtle and ingenious minds which is forever throwing out fantastic ideas, sometimes quite brilliant in their simplicity and sometimes useless. The plan that eventually wins support from the British Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, is codenamed Operation Mincemeat. Its aim is simple, to fool the Germans into believing that the Allies plan to land in Greece and Sardinia, not their real target Sicily.

17:57And Montague's first task is to find a corpse to carry that fake intelligence. The difficulty with which we were immediately faced how could we go to relatives in their hour of sorrow and ask them to let us take the body of the son or husband without being able to explain why we wanted it. And you might be surprised but with all the people being killed in the blitz actually finding a suitable body was quite difficult. There weren't many around. So the team turned to the London Morgues. Montague asked a number of coroners if they came across a body, could they tell him? And it just happens that Bentley Purchase was the first one to bring up a suitable body.

18:37The young man in his early 30s who died of pneumonia following exposure. He hadn't been very fit for some time before his death. It looked as if he might answer our requirements. Obviously male, in a reasonable physical condition. No obvious injuries because he's supposed to have drowned. So we made feverish inquiries into his background and were soon satisfied that we could get permission to use his body without having to answer questions or risk a breach of security. And Montague also makes a promise. I gave my word that I would never let it be known whose corpse it was. With a body found, the next job is to invent the fictitious life of the dead man, who's been christened Major William Martin of the Royal Marines.

19:22Well, actually, they had great fun. The first thing they had to do was get a uniform for him, and he was unexpectedly tall. So they had to provide a bespoke uniform, and then they had to manufacture an identity. So they forged letters from employers. They got genuine theatre tickets and club tennis tickets. They gave him a girlfriend to write love letters to him. Unfortunately, none of us felt up to writing the love letters. After all, ours wasn't the feminine point of view. So we asked a girl working in one of the offices. She'd produced the two magnificent letters that Major Martin was to carry with him.

20:01I do think, dearest, of that lovely golden day we spent together. Oh, I know it has been said before, but if only time could sometimes stand still, just for a minute. And then they kind of loaded the wallet up, his wallet up, with this stuff, and kept it in their back pockets for three weeks to make it look authentically warm. Keys, cigarettes and a photograph of the Major's beloved, Pam, are added, along with a confidential military briefing hinting at an Allied invasion of Greece and Sardinia. Now Major Martin needs to be loaded on board the HMS Seraph under the watchful eye of submarine captain Bill Jewell.

20:43We'd borrowed one of their vans from the war office. and of course we had Major Martin in his canister. In an airtight container full of carbon dioxide so he didn't rot. Well, the canister was duly stowed on board the Seraph and I had a final chat with Jules that suggested that he launch the body with only his officers on deck. The story was he'd been in a plane crash and thrown out of the plane and drowned. And there had been a plane crash about three months before which kind of made it credible. Now, we'd all done our share. We could only wait to see how Major Martin would carry out his part of the job.

21:19The body is spotted by fishermen off the southwest coast of Spain. They hook it up out the water and call the Spanish police, who then discover he's British and call the British ambassador. The British ambassador, of course, has been told all about it and has been told to demand the suitcase back just so they get the idea there's something important about the suitcase. Because although Spain is supposedly neutral, the authorities have strong links to German intelligence. The top secret information is soon sent on to Berlin. Meanwhile, the Allies' deception continues as the Major is buried with full military honours.

21:59Listos? Fuego! We wanted the grave to be visited as often as possible to deter the Spaniards from digging up the body, so we got the naval attaché to arrange for a wreath to place on the grave and the gravestone was a plain white marble. On it, the inscription reads, William Martin, beloved son of John Glendore Martin and the late Antonia Martin of Cardiff, Wales. RIP. We had to make the people at the other end believe what we wanted them to believe. Any crook who fails to do all that gets caught. There were so many lives at stake we simply couldn't risk getting caught. Well, the documents went all the way up to Hitler's desk.

22:39Hitler did believe it for about three days, but it was too late to do anything to reinforce Sicily. The Germans had already moved an entire panzer division, 90 ,000 soldiers, to Greece. The great guns of the fleet shattered the night and sent their shells screaming over the heads of the first invading forces. The black ribbon of the Sicilian beaches. The time has now come to carry the war into Italy. Operation Mincemeat had been swallowed hook, line and sinker. But for decades, no one knew the real identity of the man who'd played the biggest part. Enter Roger Morgan in 1996, an amateur historian who'd read Montague's memoir, The Man Who Never Was.

23:21So I'd discovered everything about all the other people. But without the name, it's nothing really. It'd been niggling, yes, for 10 years. So whenever I went to the public record office, which is now called the National Archives, I scanned the newly opened files. And to my amazement, about a year later, there was one which read Deception Operations, World War II. And I thought, wow, there can't be much hope that it tells me anything because Montague swore the name was to be forever secret. So I owned it and there was Operation Mincemeat. And I was astounded. But I looked at the first page and read the words, his name was Glindower Michael.

23:59There it was in black and white. Major William Martin's real identity, the first time it had been revealed publicly. Well, once I got the name, of course, and it's quite a usual name, you can get the birth certificates, the death certificates. He was clearly homeless in London. He was found in a warehouse and there was baited meat to kill the rats distributed all around him. And he died, according to the Borgshire Register, of phosphorus poisoning from baited meat. But his family were very insistent that he wasn't a tramp. It didn't match with how they remembered him as dapper, happy-go-lucky individual.

24:41I would like to express our indebtedness to the man who lies at peace in the Cemetery at Welber, to Major Martin, the man who never was. But strangely, they'd left a space at the bottom of the gravestone, big enough for the Imperial War Museum. they've added an inscription, Glyndale Michael served as Major William Martin.

25:04And that is one of the most remarkable stories from the Second World War. Operation Mincemeat has inspired books, a feature film and even a stage musical. Roger Morgan was speaking to Jane Wilkinson. True crime meets history with a twist in a new series of Lady Killers. Join me as we travel back in time to investigate the most astonishing lady killers of the 19th and 20th centuries. We visit the scene of the crime and we delve deep into their lives to ask, how did they do it? Why did they do it? What drove them to it? Watch Lady Killers with Lucy Worsley on BBC.com. It all starts with a subscription to BBC.com.

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25:45Find out more at BBC.com slash unlimited. I am Nina Khrushcheva, the great-granddaughter of Nikita Khrushchev, the leader of the Soviet Union in 1962. And I'm Max Kennedy, the nephew of U.S. President John F. Kennedy. We explore what was a terrifying moment in history. The story of the Cuban Missile Crisis. How close the world came to nuclear war. And what they had to do to pull it back from the brink. The bomb, Kennedy and Khrushchev. All episodes available now, wherever you get your BBC podcasts.

26:22Still to come in the History Hour, the return of Ayatollah Khomeini to Iran, sparking the Islamic Revolution. And we remember the Queen of Crime, Agatha Christie. What are you doing? Why don't you turn down the lights?

26:40No! But first, we're recalling a catastrophic disaster in the history of the US space programme from the 1980s. The mid-air disintegration of the Challenger space shuttle. The mission was unique at the time because a member of the public had been chosen to join the experienced astronaut crew. In 2012, Chloe Hedgimotheo spoke to Barbara Morgan. We have main engine start, four, three, two, one, and liftoff, liftoff of the 25th Space Shuttle mission and it has cleared the tower. It's January 28th, 1986, and Mission 51L has just launched from Kennedy Space Centre in Florida. On board are six astronauts and the first civilian to be chosen to go into space, a 37-year-old social studies teacher, Krista McAuliffe.

27:32Good role, program control. Bye, Krista, bye, crew! At the Space Centre, friends and family are watching the launch, including a group of 100 children from Krista's school in New Hampshire. Also watching is Krista's standby, Barbara Morgan, a teacher from Idaho. I remember saying, bye Krista, bye crew, and waving, and Godspeed, and I'm so excited for you. I remember thinking, gosh, I wish I were with you. Challenger now heading down range. Seconds after takeoff, a small component on one of the solid rocket boosters fails. No one on board or at the control centre notices. And even if they had, there was nothing they could have done.

28:13There were no ejector seats and no way to switch off the shuttle's powerful engines. Engines at 65%, three engines running normally, three good fuel cells. Just over a minute into the flight, hot gas begins jetting out of a hole less than a centimetre in diameter. But it's enough to have a devastating effect. Challenger, go with throttle up. Challenger, go with throttle up.

28:38The launch just didn't look right. I know I was probably not understanding everything right away, but looking and thinking, this just doesn't look right, as basically pieces are falling.

28:53As the shuttle explodes, television cameras broadcasting the event to the entire nation catch the expressions on the faces of the families as they turn from excitement to confusion. and then devastation. Flight controllers here looking very carefully at the situation. The crew compartment, which was built to withstand the heat of re-entry, is hurled out of the explosion intact, and it's thought the crew may have been conscious during their four-minute plunge from the sky, but there was no way for them to survive the impact as they hit the sea at 140 miles an hour. Obviously a major malfunction.

29:31We have no downlink. Krista and Barbara's experience with NASA began in August 1984. With ten shuttle launches a year, the missions were beginning to feel routine. But then President Ronald Reagan came on television to make an extraordinary announcement. Today I'm directing NASA to begin a search in all of our elementary and secondary schools and to choose as the first citizen passenger in the history of our space program one of America's finest, a teacher. I was sitting on the sofa with my husband watching the news. He's a writer. He jumped up and outblurted, why a teacher? Why not a writer? You know, I said I thought a teacher would be just the perfect choice.

30:14Barbara Morgan was teaching maths to seven-year-olds in a small town in rural Idaho when she became one of 11 ,000 teachers to send an application to NASA. After she was shortlisted, she travelled to Washington for the next stage of the selection process. 214 of us met and that included Krista. We all clicked immediately. What was Krista like when you first met her? Krista was like the girl next door. She had a very engaging smile. She was quiet and friendly and just soaking it all in. And we were there for a week of workshops and training sessions and a whole litany of interviews. The 10 finalists were asked a series of interview questions about how they would spend their time in space.

31:00The answers were all videotaped, including Barbara's. I plan on doing my best to make this not just my experience, but everyone's experience. And the way I'm going to do that is to collect everybody's questions. And while I'm on the space shuttle, I hope they don't allow too much sleeping time because I plan on trying to get the answers to all the questions. Krista was chosen as the first civilian who would go into space. Barbara would be her backup in case Krista couldn't make the launch. In November that year, the two women moved to the Johnson Space Centre to undergo the rigorous NASA training programme together.

31:35Basically, you're poke-proded and probed, and we took a battery of psychological tests. What was the training like? Was it very tough? We spent a lot of time in the simulators to simulate weightlessness. We fly in an aircraft that flies up and down and up and down in a series of parabolas. What was it like the first time you and Krista felt that? You know, you get instructions ahead of time, so you're very well prepared. You will slowly lift off the floor, and you'll be floating. So that's what I was expecting, and we went into that first parabola, and I literally shot to the ceiling, and I don't think Krista and I quit laughing the entire flight.

32:19We also spent time in what NASA calls familiarization flights in the Air Force jet trainers. They go about 500 miles an hour. And Commander Dick Scobie and her pilot, Mike Smith, took Chris and me out flying, learning how to handle G-force, learning how to stay oriented in the plane. So after demonstrating these different kinds of maneuvers, I remember saying something like, gosh, Mike, this is an incredible view. and he said here's a better view for you and before he even finished getting those words out we were flying upside down and here I was looking up at our earth and it flipped that whole perspective for me.

32:58Meanwhile Krista began preparing the lessons she would teach from the shuttle that would be beamed to thousands of children down on earth. Okay good morning This is Kristen McAuliffe, live from the Challenger, and I'm going to be taking you through a field trip. Finally, after a series of problems delayed the launch, the crew got the green light for January the 28th. The day of launch was a very, very, very cold morning, and the crew was excited and ready to go. They'd been training and training and training, and everybody was ready to fly. Good evening. There's been a disaster at Cape Canaveral.

33:35the American Space Shuttle Challenger exploded only a minute into its flight. The Americans watched it live on television. When you saw there'd been this awful accident, was there still a lot of hope that they would have survived within their capsule? I don't think any of us really believed that there could be any hope of survival. And when we got to crew quarters, we had families in a terrible situation. You know, it was a terrible, terrible time and everybody felt really, really bad. You came so close to being the one on that flight. That must have crossed your mind that you ended up being very lucky in the end.

34:10I can honestly tell you that that thought never crossed my mind. I wanted to be there. The disaster shook America and the country entered a week of mourning. Flags flew at half-mast and Wall Street stopped trading for a minute's silence. President Reagan postponed his State of the Union address to make an emotional speech. The crew of the Space Shuttle Challenger honoured us for the manner in which they lived their lives. We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them this morning, as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of Earth to touch the face of God.

34:49The shuttle programme was grounded while an investigation took place. It concluded that poor communications and decision-making had been at fault. Engineers came forward to say they knew of the weakness in the rocket system, and some later admitted they'd held their breath for every take-off. But Barbara Morgan didn't give up on her dream. She left teaching to become a full-time astronaut, and finally, in 2007, more than 21 years after the Challenger disaster, she joined the crew of the Endeavour as it made its successful journey into space. Chloe Hagematheo was speaking to Barbara Morgan in 2012.

35:28Next, this month marks the 50th anniversary of the death of the author known as the Queen of Crime Fiction, Agatha Christie. Louise Hidalgo spoke to the author's grandson in 2015. The dining room at Wallingford, which is where she died, had a moderate-sized circular dining room table, and my grandfather put all the letters that we all received in the middle of the dining room table. By the time of the funeral, there was a sort of huge pile of these letters. I mean, it wasn't just sort of filled in one layer. And I remember him looking sort of slightly desperately at me and saying, look at those, Matthew, he said, and not an unkind word.

36:13Matthew Pritchard was Agatha Christie's only grandchild. She was just a loving and very attentive grandmother. I mean, my mother was an only child and so am I. And so, you know, we were, I think, very much both of us the apple of my grandmother's eye. It must have been deeply moving for all of you to have seen how much affection she was held in. Yes, and, you know, there genuinely aren't, I think, in any era, many people who can genuinely say that they never made an enemy in the world. But I think she was genuinely one of them. I know you've been quoted as saying that she was also a great listener.

36:48She was a great listener and I remember going to lunch with her at Wallingford when she wasn't writing. I took my friends either from school or Oxford where I was and I don't think they were expecting somebody to take such an interest in whatever it was that they were reading at Oxford or what they were doing or what they intended to do and how much knowledge between them my grandparents had of so many subjects. but the main thing that she was always interested in whenever you took anybody to meet them was what they were doing and I can't remember hardly any of them persuading her to talk of what she did.

37:32And of course what she did was extraordinary. By the time Agatha Christie died peacefully at her home in Oxfordshire she had written more than 80 books most of them detective novels but also romances written under a pseudonym short stories, poetry and, of course, plays. Her most famous play, The Mousetrap, opened in 1952 and is the longest-running show in history. What are you doing? Why don't you turn down the lights?

38:02No! And the night of her death, St Martin's Theatre in London, where the mousetrap still plays, dimmed its lights in her honour. When they heard of her death today, the management considered whether to cancel tonight's performance. But they decided that probably Agatha Christie would have been the last person to want such a thing. So what was the secret of Agatha Christie's enduring appeal? She herself put her success down to a lack of education. People often ask me what made me take up writing. You see, I put it all down to the fact that I never had any education. Perhaps I'd better qualify that by admitting I did eventually go to school in Paris when I was 16.

38:40but until then, apart from being taught a little arithmetic, I'd had no lessons to speak of at all. Although I was gloriously idle, I found myself making up stories and acting in different parts, and there's nothing like boredom to make you write. So by the time I was 16 or 17, I'd written quite a number of short stories and one long, dreary novel. By the time I was 21, I'd finished the first book of mine ever to be published, The Mysterious Affair at Styles. The intense interest aroused in the public by what was known at the time as the Stiles case has now somewhat subsided. She was always brought up by her own mother, to whom she was devoted, to be independent and to do things her own way.

39:29And I think that she sort of felt her way almost into writing books. The first one, Mysterious Affair at Stiles, was turned down by more than one publisher. We have a wonderful letter in our archive from a publisher rather pompously refusing to publish her book. But I think that one of the things she would have been very worried about the world we live in nowadays is the constant pursuit of fame. If anything, my grandmother was the reverse of that. She would like to do anything with her life other than being famous. and of course that wasn't to be granted to her. Success was swift. After that first novel published in 1920 and still in print today, others quickly followed.

40:16Readers loved these genteel murder mysteries with their twists and turns and red herrings. By 1926, Agatha Christie was already an established author. But that year something happened that still puzzles her fans. Agatha Christie briefly disappeared. disappeared. A national manhunt was launched after her car was found abandoned. The entry in her autobiography is not forthcoming. After illness came sorrow, despair and heartbreak. There is no need to dwell on it. Her mother had just died, her first marriage was collapsing and she disappeared for 11 days, didn't she? I've never really understood that.

40:55I mean, I do very strongly believe that what she suffered from, I mean, I don't know what its medical name is, but But it is rooted in deep unhappiness. All this happened at a time when, you know, not only was her husband in the process of leaving her, but her mother died and suddenly her whole world crashed from beneath her. And I think it can provide unexpected effects on your health and your ability to memorize things and maybe an unconscious desire to go away somewhere and wish you weren't there. And, you know, she never talked about it, nor did my mother. One thing I am convinced about is that there wasn't anything artificial about it.

41:32Whatever it was she felt, she couldn't help it. And her grandson says she would have hated all the attention. Agatha Christie was deeply shy. She hated public speaking and rarely gave interviews. She did give one, however, to the BBC in 1955. I do find one's friends are curious about the way one works. What is your method, they want to know. Well, the disappointing truth is that I haven't much method. I type my own drafts on an ancient faithful machine I've owned for years, and I find a dictaphone useful for short stories or for recasting an act of a play, but not for the more complicated business of working out a novel.

42:12No, I think the real work is done in thinking out the development of your story and worrying about it until it comes right.

42:26I think she liked challenging herself. The one thing that she was never short of was ideas, and even now we possess 60 or 70 of her notebooks, in which, in appalling handwriting, she used to write down odd scraps of ideas and things and then join them up together. Her first book had the character of Hercule Poirot in it, didn't it? And then, of course, we got Jane Marple as well. Who were the inspirations for those two characters? Hercule Poirot was always supposed to have stepped off a bus in Torquay in company with a number of other Belgian refugees. And there was one of them who had this sort of egg-shaped head and fairly small moustache and all that kind of thing.

43:04And that occurred at a moment when she was trying to think of a detective who would be distinctive and nothing like Sherlock Holmes or any other detectives that were around at that moment. And that seemed to fit. and Jane Marple, I think, was a mixture of her mother and I forget whether she was her aunt or her great-aunt and obviously was sort of the epitome of Englishness and I think she had perhaps one or two characteristics of my grandmother herself.

43:32Louise Hidalgo was speaking to Matthew Pritchard in 2015 and remembering his grandmother, the great Agatha Christie, whose books continue to sell by the millions of copies each year. Next, we're heading to London in 1948, when the city hosted the first Olympic Games after the end of the Second World War. When it came to the hockey final, it was newly independent India who won gold, beating Great Britain. In 2014, Ashley Byrne spoke to one of the stars of the Indian team, Balbir Singh, about their triumph at what became known as the Austerity Games. All through the night, the flame was carried by relays of Englishmen.

44:12And by Thursday morning, still accompanied by television newsreel, it had reached the outskirts of London, crowds thronging the route to cheer the torchbearer with his police escort and attended runners on their way to Wembley. And here, quite at home in the blazing heat of this glorious afternoon, are the Indian athletes. The Indian athletes attending the 1948 Games in London were the first to do so since the country gained independence from Britain a year earlier. They'd won medals at previous games, but this would be the first time they'd competed under their own flag. Then, aged 23, Belbier Singh was in the hockey team selected to represent his country, which meant travelling thousands of miles from home to the country which had, until just months before, ruled India.

44:59Of course it was exciting to go to the capital city of the ex-masters. We were afraid of them when they were the rulers, but when I went there they were very cordial. It was really strange for us because the Britishers as rulers they were very strict. The 1948 Olympic Games in London were nicknamed the Austerity Games. Britain was struggling to rebuild itself after the Second World War and food rationing was still in place but Balbir remembers no such shortages for the athletes. Although the entire Europe or especially England. They were very austere. As far as the Olympic kitchen was concerned, everything was available from all parts of the world.

45:47In the pastoral beauty of Richmond Park, with its ancient trees and its herds of grazing deer, a temporary home is being provided for over 1 ,500 visitors from overseas for this year's Olympic Games. And finishing touches are now being given to what is in effect a self-contained Olympic Games town, Facilities for the preparation and cooking of a varied assortment of national dishes are provided in the spacious kitchens. Although the food was OK, the sheer size of London took some getting used to for Balbir and his teammates. Most of us was born in villages and saw a big city for the first time.

46:25Although we had gone to Madras, Bombay and the backlog, etc. Delhi. But London in those days was known as one of the biggest cities in the world. So going there it was something strange. It was all a world away from rural India where Balbir Singh's passion for hockey had started at a very young age. I was born at a village Haripur near Filor. To my good fortune the hockey ground of the school was only three, four yards in front of that house. That is why I started at age five, started watching hockey players of the school playing the game. That is how hockey became my childhood love. Belbier soon took up the challenge himself and found a real talent for it, eventually being selected to represent his country at the Games in London.

47:20And Belbier made quite an impact on his Olympic debut. They played me in two matches and one was against Argentina, India won by 9-1. I scored six goals. It was enough to help India to a place in the semi-finals against the Netherlands. They beat the Dutch 2-1, while in the other semi, Britain beat Pakistan, who were also competing in their first Olympics as an independent country. So the stage was set for a showdown between hosts Great Britain and India on the 12th of August 1948 25 ,000 people packed into the Empire Stadium at Wembley Including, in the VIP box, the then Queen Who until just a few months earlier had been Empress of India It wasn't long before the Indian team were overpowering the home side Balbir remembers his coach telling him not to wait for the ball but to chase it.

48:17He heeded that advice and it paid off. I scored the first two goals in seventh and fifteenth minute and that is a part of the history. But it was a tough, rough and dirty game because the rain just wouldn't stop. The pitch became waterlogged and to the shock of the home supporters, some of Belbeer's teammates even took off their shoes. Playing on wet and slippery ground, it was difficult to control the ball there but the standard of the team was so good that we managed to play well on that ground. As the Indian side bettered Great Britain, Balbir remembers how the home crowd gradually turned their support to the visitors.

48:56We scored the third and fourth. Then most of the spectators there who belonged to that country, they started saying, come on India, make it half a dozen. So since then I have been saying that very, very sporting nation, although they were losing they were trying to encourage and back Indian team. It finished 4-0 to India. The former colony had beaten their former rulers on the hockey pitch to clinch the gold medal in their first Olympics as an independent country and for Belbia that meant victory was all the sweeter.

49:35Honour to represent an independent India Whatever was very, very pleasant and striking when we won the final, when the national anthem was played there, Indian national anthem, and the national flag, the tricolour, went high up above all other flags, I was feeling that I was also flying along with the flag moving upwards in the sky. And when Belbir and his teammates got home, they received a hero's welcome. Garlands, garlands, garlands all around. Then we landed at Bombay and red carpet, the entire city all rejoicing. And then from Bombay, we came to Punjab. All railway stations, jam-packed crowds and people garlanding everywhere.

50:27Belbier says that Olympic victory in 1948 changed his life. Because India won the Olympic Games in 1928, 1932, 1936, it became a national sort of a national sport. Whatever I was in my life later, it was because of hockey. Hockey took me to different cities in the world. And even today, I am honored wherever I go as a former hockey player, as former chief coach and manager of the Indian team. They respect me for that. But in recent years, the Indian hockey team has not lived up to the standards set 64 years ago. It is down these days, but I feel and wish, I always say it's my last wish, before I die, I would like the Indian team to win the Olympic gold medal once again.

51:21I proclaim the closing of the Games of the 14th Olympiad. And in accordance with tradition, I call upon the youth of every country in the world to assemble in four years at Helsinki, there to celebrate with us the Games of the 15th Olympiad. Balbir Singh's success in London in 1948 was merely just the beginning of a long and glorious sporting career. In Helsinki, four years later, India mounted a successful defence of their title, defeating the Netherlands 6-1. Balbir scoring five of the goals, an individual scoring record in an Olympic Games hockey final which has never been beaten. He captained India to a third consecutive gold at the Melbourne Games in 1956 with a 1-0 victory over Pakistan.

52:08And he continued playing until the early 1960s before turning his talents to coaching.

52:18Balbir Singh died in 2020. He was speaking there to Ashley Byrne in 2014. Finally this week, with Iran's recent unrest focusing world attention on the Islamic Republic, we're looking back at the beginnings of the theocratic government. For this, we go back to 1979, when the Ayatollah Khomeini flew back to Tehran from Paris after being exiled. Mohsen Sazegara, who worked for the Ayatollah, spoke to Luis Hidalgo in 2011. This is a man they call the father of the revolution. and this is the moment that millions in Iran have been waiting for. After long years in exile, Ayatollah Khomeini is finally returning home.

53:00Just weeks before, the Ayatollah had given an interview in Paris, calling on Iran's ruler of the past 37 years, Mohammad Reza Shah Palavi, to give up power.

53:15We are opposed to the Shah. He has both offended religion and betrayed his country. during his rule. For this reason, all Iranians are against him.

53:27Iranians had been showing how much they opposed the Shah on the streets for months.

53:38But still, the end came fast. On January the 16th, the Shah flew out of Iran for the last time. When Shah left the country, Ayatollah Khomeini, he said, I should return to Iran immediately. Mohsen Sazegara was a young student working for the Ayatollah in Paris. The plan had been to return only when the revolution inside Iran was certain. The Shah had left a prime minister in charge, Dr. Shapur Bakhtiar. Mohsen was worried about what he would do if Ayatollah Khomeini went back. I remember one night we had a tough discussion with him that it might be dangerous. Bakhtiar is still powerful enough to arrest Ayatollah if he goes back to Iran, or we don't know what will happen.

54:25But the Ayatollah would not be deterred. In the early hours of February 1st, he and his supporters, accompanied by a group of Western journalists, were on board an Air France jumbo jet bound for Tehran. In the aeroplane, all the night I was awake, It was wonderful for me that he said to his son who sat down besides him that the name of his son was Ahmed. He said that, Ahmed, watch that our passports not to be lost. When I heard that sentence, I said to myself that Aytullah Khomeini still has no feeling that he will be the leader of the country. I think that none of us, of course, had the experience of a revolution and taking over a country.

55:12But that was what they were about to do. First, though, they had to land. When it reached Tehran, the plane circled over the city for 20 minutes. On board, it seemed an eternity. Would they be allowed to land? But at last, the moment came that they'd all been waiting for. After his long years in exile, the first hesitant steps of Ayatollah Khomeini on Iranian soil. It was a homecoming to end all homecomings. A moment of triumph that had finally been forced on a reluctant government by the stubbornness of this man.

55:52There were chaotic scenes. A crush of photographers and journalists greeted the Ayatollah, who was then bundled into a car which sped across the tarmac chased by cheering airport workers. Inside the airport terminal, a huge crowd was waiting. Outside was an even more extraordinary sight. Nobody could possibly know how many millions lined the route of his 20-mile drive through Tehran, but it could not have been less than three. They'd come from all over the country to see the man they acknowledge as the only true leader of Iran, and nothing was going to stop them getting even the briefest of glimpses.

56:31Ayatollah Khomeini was being taken to the main cemetery in Tehran where he was due to give his victory speech. Mohsen Zazegara was following behind. I was supposed to be with the journalists with some minibuses to follow the Ayatollah to the cemetery. But it didn't work because millions of people were waiting for him and people came to the street behind his car and there was no way for the other cars to follow him. And when you saw the sea of people who had come out to welcome him, did it surprise you? We expected millions of people. I remember that I said to some journalists that about 5 million people, maybe I was exaggerating, but frankly speaking, whenever I see the excitement of the people, especially when there are millions of people, I can't keep myself, I start to cry.

57:25This is what happened for me on that day too. Nobody noticed, but some people were crying. Some people were kissing each other and saying congratulations. And I started to cry in that minibus as well. In the end, there were so many people that the vehicles had to be abandoned. The Ayatollah was helicoptered to the cemetery instead. As for Mohsen and the journalists, they gave up. The journalists headed for the hotels and offices, and Mohsen decided to go home. My father was alone in the house. Everybody, my mother, my sisters, my brothers, they went out to join the other people to say welcome to Ayatollah.

58:04So my father was alone and he didn't agree the years before that. He didn't like me to be a political activist. But when he opened the door, he looked at me. That was the first time in my life, and maybe the last time, he hugged me and kissed me and said, Congratulations, my son. I didn't think that you would succeed to kick out the Shah from the country. I congratulate you and the others this victory. I didn't think that you could make it. For 23-year-old Mohsen, it was a proud moment. But the work was not over. The revolution wasn't yet won. The possibility of bloodshed was in our minds. But first of all, I was very busy in those days.

58:52Lots of jobs we had to do. That was the first time in my life that you should answer to thousands of people because the government of Bakhtiar was not able to control the country. There was no police. Strikes all around the country. Gradually, I felt on those days that we are going to be involved in running a country. Four days after returning to Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini appointed his own prime minister. Local revolutionary committees were set up. Iran had two centres of authority. It wasn't until 10 February that the endgame finally came. Prime Minister Bakhtiar had ordered a curfew. Khomeini said it should be ignored.

59:37Millions went onto the streets. They started to attack to police stations. And all that night, that long night, I can say, I was awake. Sometimes I went to the streets to watch the scenes. People started to attack, not only to police stations, but to garrisons. Took the guns out of the military bases. The next morning, the Imperial Guard sent tanks onto the streets. The day of the revolution had come.

1:00:13In a day-long orgy of violence, the people seized control from the Shah's government and all it stood for. Army barracks were plundered and guns distributed almost like confetti. They toppled statues of the Shah and sent soldiers and police running for their lives. gunmen loyal to the Ayatollah Khomeini assaulted the Iranian parliament for more than two hours we ducked behind buildings and watched as a fierce gun battle raged then we saw thousands of people storm the parliament buildings they did a war dance under the chandeliers ripped up photographs of the Shah mashed bottles of liquor and tore up magazine photographs of nude women in one fell swoop it seemed Iran had become an Islamic republic Mohsen Sazegara held several senior government positions in that new Islamic Republic.

1:01:03But after Ayatollah Khomeini died in 1989, he became increasingly disillusioned. He went back to academia, but called for political reform, and in 2003 he was arrested and held for almost four months. He now lives in America. Luis Hidalgo talking to Mohsen Sazegara in 2011. And with that first-hand account, We've come to the end of this edition of the History Hour. We'll be back with more stories from the past next week. So until then, this is Max Pearson. Thanks for listening. Goodbye. Sporting Witness takes you to the events that have shaped the sports world through the eyes of the people who were there.

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From the publisher

Max Pearson presents a collection of the week's Witness History interviews from the BBC World Service.

Our guest Sugandhi Jayaraman, lecturer in air transport management at the University of Westminster, discusses the changes in airports over time. We hear about the Irish priest whose dream of air travel in a remote part of West Ireland became a reality.

And we travel back to 1943 to one of the most audacious hoaxes of World War Two. Plus the Challenger Shuttle disaster where a member of the public had been chosen to join the experienced astronaut crew.

We also commemorate Agatha Christie and we go back to 1979 when Ayatollah Khomeini flew back to Tehran from Paris after being exiled.

Contributors:

Pearce Concannon - firefighter at Knock airport

Sugandhi Jayaraman - lecturer

Roger Morgan - amateur historian

Barbera Morgan - trained alongside the Challenger team

Mathew Prichard- Agatha Christie's grandson

Mohsen Sazegara - worked for the Ayatollah

(Picture: Cabin crew with Monsignor James Horan at Knock Airport. Credit: Independent News And Media/Getty Images)

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