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25:11Everything has to be 100 % in preparation for a storm. You pay a big price for living in paradise.

25:21Eli Fuller, who still lives on Antigua and runs a tour company, was talking to Jen Dale. Weather features quite often in our dedicated collection of environmental stories from the past on the website, including floods in Mexico in 2007 and a drought in Europe in 2011. Find them by searching for bbc.com slash witness history and looking for the collections tab.

26:07Tray and two sides. Shop smarter, not harder at Whole Foods Market. Before Achilles found glory and Odysseus eventually found his way home, someone had to compose the Iliad and Odyssey. But was their credited author, Homer, even real? Hi, I'm Greg Jenner, host of You're Dead to Me, the comedy show that takes history seriously. And we are traveling back to 8th century BCE to trace the origins of the Iliad and Odyssey, epic poems that became backbones of Western literature. Join me and my fantastic guests as we unpack the stories of ancient Greek culture, war and triumph and have a laugh while we do it.

26:45Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you. Bye.

26:53Still to come, the Northern Ireland peace movement born out of a family tragedy, the Ghanaian sprinting superstar known as Baby Jet, and the abandoned SS photo album revealing the chilling normality of life in a Nazi concentration camp. They're not photographs of the atrocities the way that other photographs of Auschwitz are. They are photographs of what a good time they're having. Before that, the story of a hijacking from the 1980s which left deep scars on those who were caught up in it. 40 years ago, Pan Am Flight 73 was overrun by armed men at an airport in Pakistan. Palestinian militants held nearly 400 passengers and 19 crew members captive.

27:37By the time it was over, 22 hostages had been killed and more than 150 people injured. Tim O 'Callaghan explains what happened, and a warning this includes descriptions of violence. Good evening. The hijacking of an American jumbo jet at Karachi Airport has ended in bloodshed. It's not certain how many are dead. People were screaming. There was blood squirts everywhere. The bullets that were hitting the fuselage on the side became like little metal pieces flying everywhere. Madhvi Bahugnaha was a Pan-American flight attendant from India. She was on Flight 73, but she wasn't there in an official capacity.

28:17Pan-Am had a very generous travel policy and I love travelling. This is the reason why I became a flight attendant. And that day I was on my way to Austria along with my girlfriend. Pan Am Flight 73 was due to fly from Mumbai in India to Frankfurt in Germany and then eventually New York, with a two-hour stopover in Karachi to drop off and pick up passengers. The plane was parked a short distance away from the airport terminal and passengers would be brought to the aircraft by bus. So that day, since I was seated in the first class, I was by the first class galley, which is right by the first door.

28:56I heard banging really hard, which is very abnormal because regular passenger boarding is pretty contained and rhythmic. However, this was abnormal. So clearly it brought our attention like what's going on? Why is this big banging noise coming from the steps? And we started to look over. It was all happening so fast. The hijackers, they were dressed up as security guards with their guns in front of them. And then as soon as Safrani, the lead hijacker, came up, he did not shoot, but he pointed his gun in the air. And he started saying something which I'm not sure any one of us comprehended. Initially, I thought that this was Pan Am's way of keeping us abreast to make sure that we're following the rules and regulations.

29:47and we're doing what needs to be done in case of an emergency. So in other words, I thought it was a mock emergency. But there was nothing mock about it. Despite the fact that she wasn't working, Mardvi was wearing her ID and she went into emergency mode. She turned to the flight attendant standing close to her and the plane's intercom phone. I told her, call the cockpit, inform the cockpit that there are people in the airplane and it's not a normal situation. The hijackers then instructed the crew to shut the doors of the plane, but not before firing shots into the air to make it clear to airport officials that the aircraft was under their control.

30:25There was no screaming at that moment. I think, like me, most people's initial reaction is denial. It was like a complete shock to everybody. The lead hijacker, Zaid Hassan Safarini, asked to be taken to the cockpit, which was on an upper deck. When there was no answer from inside, he broke down the door, but it was empty. Remember when Marvie had told her colleague to call the cockpit and warn the pilots about the hijackers? Well, upon hearing that, they had followed emergency procedure and escaped the plane through a hatch in the roof. The hijackers began to negotiate with staff at the airport, but why had they taken over the plane in the first place?

31:08A press conference was held by airport officials to update the media whilst the hijacking was taking place. Their demand is that they like to go to Cyprus land at Larnica, where they say they have some friends who are in prison and their aim is to get them out of the prison. The hijackers then planned to fly the plane to Israel, where other members of their militant group were also in jail. To increase pressure on the authorities, the lead hijacker Safarini grabbed a man called Rajesh Kumar, a recently naturalised US citizen, and brought him to the door of the plane. And started using the butt of his gun to push him and hurt him with that.

31:49The passenger said, please don't hurt me, please don't kill me. The lead hijacker said, what kind of a man you are that you're being afraid. Safarini then told a flight attendant to open the plane door and he used a megaphone to tell the authorities he wanted a new pilot within 30 minutes or he will kill Kumar. The deadline passed and no flight crew arrived. At that point, then he shot Kumar point blank and kicked him out of the airplane. And then he shut the door. I was sitting right there. I was right completely there. That really shook me up. The trauma of the witness, it cannot be described.

32:34And we were all 21 years of age. And so it was a hard part to take in, digest and then come out of it. Mardvi and another flight attendant are then told to collect passports. And what they did next is extremely brave. 85 % of the people on the airplane were Indians because the flight originated in Mumbai. And then there were Americans and Europeans. Of course, I didn't know how to differentiate everybody's white and blonde hair, blue eyes. Now, how do you know which one is American and which one is European? But if I saw somebody like that, that didn't look Asian or did not look Caribbean or Mexican, I told them, don't worry about getting your passport down.

33:21Just push your hand into the bag. Just pretend like you're throwing something in. Two other attendants are then told to sort through the bags and find any American passports. They actually went through the passports and I believe they saw some American passports and they took it and they hid it in the bulk of the seats. The hours ticked by with continued negotiations between the hijackers and authorities at the airport. Then 16 hours after the hijackers took control of the plane, the fuel ran out and the lights went off. The shooting began, everything was black, pitch back dark, there was no light on the airplane.

33:57So they weren't shooting at a person, they were just sweeping. It was AK-47, so it was just sweeping shots. A passenger opened the door next to where Mardvi was trying to avoid the gunfire, and she made her way out onto the wing of the plane. Everybody had to just go. You could not just stand there. And we were pushed out on the wing. I was on the wing for a minute. And even before I could say anything, do anything, I was pushed off the wing and didn't know when to hold myself for impact because the tarmac is black, everything was dark outside. Madhvi was pretty badly injured, but she managed to make her way away from the plane and towards the airport terminal building, helping passengers as she went.

34:38Everybody was running everywhere because we didn't know where to run. She was taken to a hospital, which she described to me as chaotic. It was here that she learnt that two of her colleagues had died, Nirja Baharnat and Mahaji Karas. In total, 22 people were killed. I would not be able to sleep for nights and nights at a row. I would get up in the night and I would go and hide in a corner in the room and I would say, they're going to come after me. Or I would take the sheet and cover my head and say, I have to hide. They're going to come to kill me. They're going to come to kill me. And the incident with Kumar, that stayed with me for a very long time.

35:16Very, very long time. Madhvi Behugnaha was speaking to Tim O 'Callaghan. Remarkably, she returned to work for Pan American Airways before later retiring. The four hijackers from that 1986 incident in Karachi were jailed by the Pakistani authorities. The lead hijacker, Zaid Hassan Serafini, was released in 2001 before being recaptured by American authorities. He pleaded guilty to 95 charges and was sentenced to 160 years in prison in 2003. The other hijackers were eventually released in 2008 against the wishes of India and the USA. Next, the story of how a Second World War photo album revealed the chilling normality of life at the Nazis' most notorious concentration camp, Auschwitz.

36:05SS officers are seen laughing, singing and celebrating, while a short distance away, more than a million people, most of them Jews, are being murdered. Jane Wilkinson has been hearing from an archivist who has studied the photographs.

36:21the emotions that you see the callousness the frivolity the casualness of how they're approaching their work that was not surprising to survivors they were like well yes of course do you really think they were going home and crying themselves to sleep every night like they thought they were doing the right thing this was what they wanted to do and so of course they're having a good time about it. Meet Rebecca O 'Belding, historian and archivist. In January 2007, she's in charge of examining potential new exhibits for the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. And she's waiting for a package.

37:00I had received a letter from an elderly man. He was a retired lieutenant colonel and he had been, after the war, a member of the Counterintelligence Corps. So his job was to go into POW camps housing German soldiers and try to suss out who was a war criminal. He had found a photograph album in a closet, in a trash can, in an abandoned apartment in Frankfurt, and he had taken it home with him. And he was wondering if the museum wanted to see it. So of course I said yes. When the album arrived, it was clear immediately. It was on the front page, June 21st, 1944, and it said Auschwitz. Surrounded by barbed wire, this was the end of the line for millions of enslaved peoples from all over Europe.

37:43Perished in the gas chambers of Auschwitz, the Nazi concentration camp east of Krakow. Rebecca opens the album. The black and white photos, most just smaller than a playing card, are carefully pasted across 31 pages. I immediately started looking for something that looked recognisable. as being taken at Auschwitz. So I was looking for trains, I was looking for prisoners, and I didn't see anything like that. What I saw were photos of people attending parties, people attending ceremonies, the leisure time of people in uniform, smiling and looking at the camera. And then I noticed a face that I actually recognized, Joseph Mengele.

38:24Mengele, the angel of death, was the most notorious of the Nazi concentration camp doctors. At Auschwitz, he was responsible for the deaths of 400 ,000 Jews and personally supervised horrific medical experiments, many of them carried out without anaesthetics. Mengele's picture is proof that the men are part of the SS garrison running Auschwitz. But they're not photographs of the atrocities the way that other photographs of Auschwitz are. They are photographs of what a good time they're having. Officers are enjoying a picnic, sitting sunbathing, taking part in a group sing-along, lighting candles on a Christmas tree and tucking into a dinner and fine wine.

39:08And it's not just men. There are several photos of young women, the camp's radio and telephone operators, relaxing at nearby Solohuta, an SS holiday resort in the Polish mountains. The pages captioned, here give this blaubier and here there are blueberries. And you see the women receiving bowls of blueberries, holding up their spoons, taking bites. They were absolutely being rewarded for their services. Solahuta was mainly used for SS officers who had done a good job. There's an example where guards successfully discharged their weapons and murdered prisoners who were trying to escape and are rewarded with leave at Solahuta.

39:47But for Rebecca, the series of pictures that most stand out include a row of coffins draped in Nazi flags. And the caption reads, the burial of our SS comrades after a terror attack. American bombers who are trying to hit the nearby factories miss killing a number of officers. And in all of the photos, you see the ceremony that they are putting into their funeral. You see flowers, you see widows, you see a long procession of men marching in honour of their fallen comrades. And it is so striking the difference between the way they treat Jewish people and Jewish bodies and the way they venerate their fallen comrades.

40:31Do you think any of the people that were photographed in that album, do you think any of them could possibly not have known what was going on? No, I think they all knew. But who did the album belong to? One face appears on almost every page. SS-Uberstumführer Karl Höcker, adjutant to the Auschwitz Commandant, who had also worked in other camps. And Karl Höcker had experience with gas chambers. And so his job is to help his boss through the decisions one needs to make when one is operating a killing centre. And these are photographs of what a good time Hawker was having. These are the things that he wants to remember of his personal time there.

41:15For the next eight months, Rebecca and her colleagues investigate the people in the pictures, trying to match faces to names. As well as Hürker and Mengele, there's Rudolf Huss, the camp commandant, and Josef Kramer, nicknamed the Beast of Belsen. It really did feel like a detective story. But then very quickly we were preparing for how the public was going to understand these photographs. Because there are no prisoners in this album, my colleagues and I were really concerned about, will people inclined to deny the Holocaust point to them and say, like, look, they could not have been murdering this many people.

41:52Look what a good time they're having. And obviously that is false and anti-Semitic. Behind the camera on the other side is the actual reality of Auschwitz, which is that it is full of tens of thousands of prisoners who are undergoing torture and starvation and cruelty day to day by the men who are in this album. After the war, Karl Höcke is among the Auschwitz officers who finally are brought to justice in Frankfurt in 1963. And already it looks like being the longest war crimes trial of them all because these 20 rather ordinary-looking, balding, middle-aged men are no ordinary defendants. They are accused of the murder of between two and four million helpless people.

42:36And as the BBC later reports, Herker is found guilty of aiding and abetting in murder and sentenced to seven years in prison, despite denying any wrongdoing. Decades later, when his photo album is made public, his lies are even more obvious. Karl Hucker always claimed that he had no idea what was going on. He was simply behind his desk all the time. But you see him in this album standing next to Rudolf Hirst, standing next to Joseph Mengele, standing next to Joseph Cromer. So you're not rubbing elbows with those guys unless you really actually do know what's going on in the camp. And so you can't understand how the Holocaust happened by looking at the victims.

43:18You have to look at the perpetrators. This isn't a society where everyone's being brainwashed. This is a society where people are making choices to participate. And so we do need to look beyond the victims to understand how something like this can happen. And that, for Rebecca, is one of the lasting impacts of the album, donated by a retired American soldier who wished to remain anonymous. But when I reached out to talk to him about all the things we found, we found out that he had passed away. And so I feel really grateful that he decided to donate it when he did because I think otherwise this is something that would have been lost to a landfill.

43:55Rebecca Ebelding, historian and archivist at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, which has enabled the photos to be viewed online. A play, Here There Are Blueberries, is based on her discovery of the album and what it later revealed. She was speaking to Jane Wilkinson. There are more Second World War stories on our website. That's at bbc.com slash witnesshistory. Next, we're going to Northern Ireland, which endured decades of sectarian violence, known euphemistically as The Troubles. There were many pivotal moments, but 50 years ago, a distressing tragedy involving a single family sparked a peace movement.

44:34Here's Josephine McDermott. We're in Oslo City Hall in Norway. Two women from Belfast find themselves in front of rows of diplomats, politicians and dignitaries, in a room with soaring ceilings and enormous murals. I call upon you, Maureen Corrigan and Betty Williams, to come to the rostrum to receive the gold medal and the diploma of the Nobel Peace Prize for 1976.

45:11A moment of recognition and celebration as they leave the stage with their coveted international prizes. But it came from a place of grief and turmoil neither woman would have ever wanted to live through. The story starts in West Belfast. There have been seven years of violent sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland between the mainly Protestant Unionists who want the province to remain part of the United Kingdom and the mostly Roman Catholic nationalists who want Northern Ireland to become part of the Republic of Ireland. My name is Gerry Graham. I was about 27. He's the brother-in-law of Mairead Corrigan, who we heard getting her award.

45:51She has two sisters, Mary and Anne, and they're a Catholic family. It was a very, very frightening place to live. Housing estates became war zones in Andersenstown, where I came from. Things had degenerated to such an extent that an urban guerrilla warfare was being conducted. Politics had been lost in this sort of violent maelstrom. Just going about your day-to-day work like Gerry was as a shipping agent, you could be caught up in a riot. British troops were deployed by the British government in 1969. The buses quite often were not functioning because in riot situations the buses would be burnt by gangs who would use them for barricades etc.

46:38So quite often when you were coming home from work if you didn't have a car you had to walk. On one occasion walking up the Falls Road with my wife we got caught up in a gun battle and we had to take cover for about half an hour. These occurrences were happening all the time. Things were spinning seriously out of control. And then on August 10th, 1976, they spun into the life of Gerry's family in a devastating way. Gerry lives in a house with his wife Mary and their young family. They live close enough to Mary's sister Anne and her family that they can see their back garden from theirs. It's a bright, sunny day.

47:16Joe, it's 50 years ago, but sadly for me, I have too good of a memory. We were at home and in around probably about three o 'clock, we heard some shots fired and it sounded pretty close, maybe three or four shots. You know, we were forever listening to the news. It was all about trying to find out, is that someone I know, has someone been killed? And quite often it was. we listened to the news after probably about 4 o 'clock and news was coming through about an incident involving some pedestrians in Finnegie Road North and I don't know why, sometimes I have premonitions and I turned to my wife and Mary and I said I think that could be your Anne and

48:13I'm so sorry

48:18I went round to their house and Mr Cardigan was sitting outside with his head in his hands so I knew that was the start of the nightmare. Gerry's sister-in-law Anne was walking along the pavement with her children, including her baby in a pram, when they were struck by a car driven by a member of the Irish Republican Army paramilitary group. He careered off the road when he was shot dead at the wheel by British Army soldiers chasing after him. Joanne was eight and a half, John was two and a half, and Andrew six weeks old. I mean, what cause? You know, what cause could be worth that? The following day, Mairead accompanied the children's father to formally identify her niece and nephew, and she gave an interview which moved people around the world.

49:19We went down this morning to the morgue and we saw the two little ones, and just to hear now that the third's gone. Having a troubled funeral on Friday, it's pretty hard. I blame all men of violence people who say they're Christians and yet they can't practice it God said love one another and forgive and forget Jackie and Ann taught the kids that there's no such thing as Catholic or Protestant that you are all Christians and that you're just loved and they didn't deserve this oh God they didn't deserve to last their babies Pur-An was in the intensive care unit and with her injuries, I mean, your broken pelvis, broken legs, stuff like that and the worst thing for poor Anne Maguire was that when she came around after maybe two or three weeks, she was asking for her children but of her four children, three of them were dead and buried which was so horrendous.

50:24Anne Maguire was said to have never recovered from the mental trauma of losing her children, and she took her own life four years later.

50:36There had been peace groups before, but what had happened was beyond the bounds of what either community wanted to accept any more. Betty Williams, who had witnessed the crash, began collecting signatures door to door for a petition condemning the violence. It was the start of the peace people, led by Betty, Mairead and journalist Kieran McKeown. Four days after the tragedy, 10 ,000 women, both Protestant and Catholic, marched with banners from the place of the children's death to their burial site. It would be the first of dozens of peace marches. On BBC Radio, Maraid explained how people from predominantly Protestant areas travelled to the mainly Catholic area of West Belfast, crossing traditional divides.

51:21The women came from the Shankill. They came from East Belfast on the buses. They came down from Turf Lodge carrying their banners. They came from Ballamurphy. But the campaign was difficult. They had to face down suspicion that they were on the side of the British Unionists.

51:40When the BBC filmed Betty speaking to a packed meeting room of women, feelings were running high. We want peace! We want peace! We want peace! For seven long years, we've been so resilient. Every time they blew something up, we repaired it. Every time somebody was shot, we cried and we buried our dead. But we can't go on doing this. We have to build a future for everybody, no matter what their political opinion is. You'll never get a future from anybody down the barrel of a gun.

52:17The peace people reduced the violence by 70%. The violence did flare up again and would not fully subside until 1998 with the negotiation of political change, but the movement had made an important impact. So if you were to ask me what was their biggest achievement was, it was number one, putting peace and big letters on the agenda. Moraed and Betty won the Nobel Peace Prize for their work. In 1998, the Good Friday Agreement was signed and approved by public votes in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, bringing an end to 30 years of conflict in Northern Ireland.

53:00Josephine McDermott. And Josephine was speaking to Gerry Graham, Chair of the Peace People, which, with Mairead Corrigan-Maguire, continues to advocate for peace globally. We're going to end this week with our sporting story from the past, and this is a true icon of African sport. Get ready to meet the Ghanaian woman known as the original Baby Jet. Here's Jill Kersley. There was a photo finish. The whole thing was like a magic to me. I was very surprised, but then I was just happy. That's Alice Annam. This is the story of how she became known as Baby Jet, then was forgotten about, and her nickname was taken on by a new superstar.

53:46The Baby Jet has landed. The way I was fast, you know, and then my looks. So that was how the Jet came to me. But more about him later. Alice was from Accra and excelled at all sports at school. Then, still only a teenager, there came a huge moment for her. The first competition was when they took me to Tokyo, 1964, for the Olympic Games, just to get experience.

54:23The majestic Olympic Stadium in Tokyo, and right from the opening ceremony, an electric feeling of excitement, anticipating the triumphs and the agonies to come. Held for the first time in Asia, the event is claimed to be the largest in Olympic history. Ninety-four nations are taking part. I was 16 years old because of the weather, having experienced that kind of weather before. So that had an effect on me. And you can see me shivering and maybe hiding under my tracksuit. I was a little bit shy. I did a long jump. I didn't do too good. I was facing number 28 or so. I love sports, so I was just excited to go with the team.

55:14Alice was the first woman to represent Ghana at the Olympics. And despite not being near the winner's podium, she carried on. Although she originally competed in the long jump, she became a sprinter. She ended the African Games and the next Olympics, but still didn't get a medal. And then, 1970. Hello again from me, Geoffrey Cameron, back on duty after a pleasant holiday in the north of Scotland. The weather wasn't very good, but we still managed to have a lot of fun. In fact, the whole country is in a festive mood at the moment. Not even a national dock strike can dampen our spirits. The reason is that the ninth British Commonwealth Games are being held in Edinburgh, Scotland's capital city, and so far the Commonwealth athletes, pressmen and radio and television commentators have had nothing but praise for the Games.

56:03So I went to the Games.

56:08It was time for Alice to race. First, the women's 100 metre sprint. The first time ever that this event took place at the Commonwealth Games. I have to go on the blocks. I think everybody was eyeing me because and I don't know what I was doing, but I knew I was running. I was leading. I was leading, leading, leading, leading, leading, until we get to the end. There was a photo finishing. The one who won the 100 was Raylene Boyle. The Australian runner, Raylene Boyle, may have won gold, but at last Alice had won a medal, the silver. So after that, then we had the 200.

56:57A game, Australian Raylene Boyle won. But it was silver for Alice, the first Ghanaian woman to win a medal at the Commonwealth Games.

57:12Then, the ceremony.

57:17It was Queen Elizabeth who handed our medals. After we finished, her husband asked me, so how can you run so fast? The only thing I remember telling him was, I don't know. Alice returned to Accra with her two silver medals, a new Ghanaian sprint record and a new nickname. You know, they were calling me Flying Queen. All sorts of names. and then when Baby Jet came in Baby Jet is when I ran to the finish line and set my record and then when we got to Accra it was a nice welcoming visiting ceremony that they had over at the airport I was happy with all my fans and the director for sports and some of the ministries they didn't realise something like that is going to happen.

58:27It was a magical thing for me. The baby jet name was cemented in a photo taken that day. In our newspapers, I saw myself standing beside our airlines, Ghana Airways or so. That's where they said baby jet or whatever it is. Alice went on to win more medals in the African Games and then the 1974 Commonwealth Games. And she carried on being known as Baby Jet. But then there was a new Baby Jet on the scene, a footballer. Let's go back to a BBC interview in Ghana in 2010. So right about now, speaking of football, I had to really, truly touch base. We're one of the superstars of African football. Indeed, one of the superstars of football in the world period.

59:15Sunderland's finest and Ghana's finest. the mighty Asamoah Jan, a.k.a. the Baby Jet. So if I can take you back in time just a little bit, but not too far back, the World Cup. Absolutely amazing performance from yourself. Can you tell us a little bit about the experience of it? Yeah, we had a great World Cup. Everybody's happy. We made the continent proud, African continent proud, and of course, the whole Ghanian. Former footballer Asamoah Jan fully adopted the Baby Jet nickname. He has a song featuring the name and even set up his own baby jet airline. His nickname was popularised by his friend, a Garnetian sports journalist, Dan Keiku Yabou.

59:59Here he is speaking at the 13th African Games in Accra in 2023. In 2003, I covered the African Games in Abuja. And by virtue of the fact that Asamojian was our fastest striker, I nicknamed him Baby Jet. Little did I know that there was an original Baby Jet before the Asamojian's Baby Jet came. Ladies and gentlemen, one and only Baby Jet, Alice Anoum. Oh, let's put our hands together for her. I heard that Baby Jet has been given to a Samuajan. He used to be a footballer. That's fine because Ghana has maybe forgotten who I am for so many years. I didn't feel bad because I know who I am. And with the baby jet, that's Alice Anu.

1:01:00My close friends and people that I went to school with, when they heard about somebody holding the baby jet, they said, uh-uh, no, we have to straighten this thing. They called me original baby jet, yes. So if you can ask Ajahn Wajahn just to meet me so that we know each other. So how many people in your country know you as Baby Jet then, do you think? Who's the better known Baby Jet now? It's me. I am the original, yes.

1:01:41Alice Annam, the original Ghanaian Baby Jet, now lives in the USA. She was speaking to Jill Kersley in 2024 for Sporting Witness. And that's where we have crossed the finishing line for this edition of the History Hour. We'll have more first-hand stories from the past for you next week, so do join us again then. For now, though, this is Max Pearson from all of us here. Thanks for listening. Goodbye. Sporting Witness takes you to the events that have shaped the sports world through the eyes of the people who were there. We weren't going to ask permission. We were just going to do it. It was such an amazing feeling.

1:02:12It was incredible. He started to write a story about how he came up with the idea for the red and yellow cars. I got to go. We cried a bit. We laughed a bit. It was wonderful. There's a magic during those moments that carries your soul. We were truly blessed to be a part of history. Supporting Witness. Subscribe wherever you get your BBC podcasts.

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