“Harder Than A 9-5 Job!” Stable Ronaldo on Making $400,000/Month & Losing Everything

26:38It's like that. But it's like when you're in the position, you understand the position more similar to a nine to five. It's like if I was working a nine to five, I would understand the position more. So people who say people who work nine to fives or whatever, which by the way, it was never streamed. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's no shame in working. Sorry for the saying the slur a job. You know, I'm saying like, is that a slur? I don't know. We don't say that word here. No, but seriously, anyone who works a job there's like it i would understand their position if i worked their job the same way they have no input on my position because they've never worked my job to my level it's the same thing it's like if if i if they want me if people want me to respect a nine-to-five which i do they have to respect what i do that's the thing is like they don't they see entertainers as like puppets or it's like it's easy etc it's like it's not it's not easy like to get to your guys's position how you built your podcast it wasn't overnight you know i'm saying same thing with me when i was playing video games, having fun.

27:33It wasn't overnight. I spent four years making no money. Like I'm talking like zero money to then finally achieving money. But like most people, they'll be like, oh, year one, I don't make money. Oh, should I quit? Year two, I don't make money. Oh, I'm done. You know what I'm saying? It's the meme of the guy with the diamond pickaxe in the mine. You know what I'm saying? He's right there.

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28:57Graham Stephan:Again, that is superhuman.com or click the link down below in the description. Thanks again to Superhuman for sponsoring this episode. So how do you come up with ideas? Because the difficulty with streaming that I've noticed is you have to keep like one-upping yourself. And if you elevate and you stay there, then people get bored. The problem is there's people doing it right now as I speak that are trying to one-up me. Right now. Whether they're small, whether they're big. they want it there the saying is there's not like a saying but it's like uh i guess like a good way of example like an example of this is like when you look at youtubers back in the day they're inspiring like kids right like roman atwood he's inspired a great example is literally kaisenat right now so he just kaisenat just had roman atwood but roman atwood made vlogs for entertainment right he didn't realize he was entertaining kaisenat and that's what he was talking about and now look where kaisenat is someone who was chasing that like right now there's someone who probably watches me who wants to be better than me.

29:50You know what I'm saying? Like not, they don't want to be better than me in a way like, oh, I want to be better than Ron, but they're like, they want to be a YouTuber. They want to be a streamer. And realistically, there's probably going to be someone that's more successful than me who watches me or who knows who I am. So it's like every second that you're not trying to one up yourself, there's someone out there in the world that's doing that. So how do you come up with ideas? Dude, I mean, it's really just reformatting like other people's ideas. I wouldn't, I'm not going to sit here and say I'm super creative, but like I do think that's how the internet is now I feel like everyone has done a lot of things and it's just reformatting it in your own ways and I think that's the whole point of entertainment is like people are like oh you steal content or you copy content like when I did Elden Ring people were like oh um XQC has done this Kai Sanat has done this or whatever you just stole their idea because it did good I was like in a way I was like yeah it does good on the internet like I got inspired, right?

30:42People don't like to use that word inspired because they don't believe in that. You know what I'm saying? They think it's just, I copy, copy, copy, copy. But then I was like, okay, I had this idea with one of my business people who, when I was saying like my employees, who helps me with ideas. He basically plans my whole month, but we had an idea where that we wanted to stream in a white room where I literally didn't read my chat. I didn't have my phone for five days. I didn't know what time it was. And literally it was going to be nothing. Like I'm talking like it literally would have just been like a surveillance cam of just nothing for five days just me sitting in the room and then I thought about I was like why don't I play Elden Ring in the white room and I can't leave it until I be Elden Ring and I and I look on like YouTube I look on plays and no one's ever done that so it's like my own spinoff and I think that's where I found success in that you know like nobody nobody has done it but like creating ideas I feel like it I don't know it's like how did you guys create a podcast like there was podcasts before you know what I'm saying?

31:36It's like you have to create your own spin off it, like whether it be like talking about finances or talking about like things that people don't get to see, you know, it's like questions like that. But I don't know. I wouldn't say I'm the most creative, but I'm definitely creative in a sense that like anything gets put in front of me, like I can turn into something, you know? So I don't know if that answers your question. Yeah. I'm also curious. We spoke about, you know, expenses and then how you're reinvesting back into things. We spoke about cars. Another thing is watches. Because we did see that you wore, in your engagement photo, you were wearing an AP Royal Oak skeleton.

32:12I'm not actually engaged, by the way. Well, yeah, I don't see it. It was a promise ring. I forgot to wear it. I'm not going to lie. I don't see it. Yeah, I don't see a ring there. I'm curious. Is it real? Yes. How much was that? So that watch, I believe, is around like 120, 130. It's a 38 millimeter, I believe. I could be wrong. I think it's 38 or 39. I forget. But I have all the boxes. I have all the papers. How'd you get it? I actually got it certificated or whatever from AP because I went there. Yeah. Where'd you buy it? Through a friend. His name's Zomz. He sells watches to like streamers.

32:48He sells watches like XQC. He sells watches to all these people. He's very legit. He gets all of his watches from the places and he gives good deals. But yeah, it was 120 ,000, 130 ,000. But I don't really wear it that much because I'm scared to wear it but I have insurance on it so if anyone wants to come rob me go ahead take it off my wrist I have insurance why buy that one are you big um I always wanted an AP okay and then I always wanted the obviously the open work like the skeleton look and I love rose gold I think it's good with my skin yeah and I remember one day I actually have a picture I think I tweeted before where one of my friends let me wear his and I was like but I told myself uh that whenever I buy my first watch or not my first watch but I told myself whenever I buy my first AP I want it to be that one and I want it to be like during a special event and that was I bought that watch after last year actually funny enough literally today basically like 30 it was like in October around but we we streamed you know phase clam we we streamed 30 days straight 24 7 last September which would be right now and then after that I found so much success in that I was like you know what bro I'm just gonna buy my dream watch So how much money do you spend on watches?

33:58Right now I have the Batgirl Rolex 2025. That was a gift from Los Polos. Shout out to Los Polos. I beat him in a 1v1 on Fortnite for it. I gave him 99 kill leads where he had 90. He had to kill me once. I had to kill him 100 times. I beat him. So he gave me that. Steve Will Do It gave me the Rolex Starbucks, the green dial one. I had, actually, I don't even remember. I have a Rolex. I forget which one that Clix bought me. um it's just like a date just i believe um and then i also have a cartier i get gifted a lot of watches i have a cartier skeleton um it's the black santos black one um that was gifted to me by jason my friend and face clan um and then i bought my mom an ap it's a white i forget what it was it's like 36 millimeter it's like a white face i don't know what it is but it was like 30 something thousand dollars i bought her that and then i bought my watch so that's a solid collection yeah you need to protect though i know i've i've recently started to get into them because i saw someone wear and i was like i didn't really understand them i thought they were like i was like looking at them i'm like i'm like they look pretty plain yeah i was gonna say they look plain but i i like it it's like a piece it's like a status piece like you pull it out it's like okay if someone paid you a hundred thousand dollars for one year to only wear an apple watch 24 7 would you?

35:21Yes. What about$500 ,000 for one year to only ever drive a Toyota Prius? Can I drive my car for fun on the weekend? No, no. Just a Toyota Prius. You can only drive a Toyota Prius for$500 ,000 a year. Would you do it? Yes, I would do it. Why not? A car is a car. A car gets you from point A to point B because you love cars. I do love cars, but I also am not a dumbass. Would you do it for a hundred grand? No. There we go. There we go. No, I, I, I honestly think like, that's actually a good point. Like funny enough, like joking around with that, but like going into a point, like when I bought my car, I, people are like, Oh, you bought a car to be flashy.

35:59You bought a car to be stupid. I bought it. Cause it's like, unironically, like that's my life. Like I love driving cars to the point where if I have to spend a stupid amount of money on a car, it's not stupid to me. Cause like, that's what makes me happy. That's what gives me a drive. Like when I was talking about like my fall off or whatever and then I started to come back my goal was always to buy a Porsche 911 and then on my 21st birthday I bought a GT3 and I was like I bought it and I was like this is the stupidest ever but it drove me play on words yeah it drove me to like make more money and be and work harder because I was like okay I have this car now I have to upkeep the car you know I'm saying like I have to work I have to keep going and that that kind of that's what drives me in life is cars.

36:41I swear.

36:41Graham Stephan:It's interesting. A lot of people are motivated by like spending all their money down and then they got to make it back. Yeah. I mean, to me, it's stupid, but like, it's not materialistic stuff for me. Like it really isn't. It's, it's unironically, it's like how I have a drive in life. Like I swear, like if you told me I'm an idiot for buying a car, I wouldn't believe you. Cause it makes me want to work harder. It makes me enjoy life. Like I drive my car every single weekend to Irvine, California, or like Laguna Beach or Newport, just to like, that's how I enjoy my life, you know? Now, in terms of streaming, how much is authentic versus like manufactured for the clip?

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38:25So that's a good question. I'm the same person off cam, on cam. I promise you. And you can ask a lot of different people that. there's two points where it's kind of dangerous and I think it's it goes back to like high school I was always kind of like autistic basically like I would run around and just sorry if that I would run around and just do stupid or like just be annoying or whatever it might be and it's still here to this day like for instance like we got swatted once at the house and there's no cameras by the way we all go outside there's no cameras and one of my friends was reaching in his like pocket for his like id to show the cop and i was like screaming like there's no cameras i was like he's screaming he i was like he's reaching for a gun he's reaching for you said that yeah off camera because that's just who i am like i just i joke what if he got like you know he's not gonna get it was a joke well like the cops the cops are cool like i the thing is i feel like a lot of people nowadays like streamers like try to farm clips like they really do and like i made a saying once it was a joke I said I am the clip like that was like the joke I really don't like intentionally form clips like it just naturally happens like I've never paid a clipper I don't know if you know that people pay clippers for TikTok I've never done that like stuff naturally happens and I think that's why people also enjoy me it's because I don't fake who I am I also think it's very easy to see who is fake and who's not when you watch streamers like I'm sure you guys have watched entertainers and be like okay he's putting on an act for like kids he's putting on an act for people whatever it might be and then you probably watch people who are like you're fans of i'm sure because you're like they're authentic like i think it all goes to that like if you're authentic off camera on camera is gonna be the same are you are you autistic i think so a little bit i have adhd i

40:10Graham Stephan:don't know if that's accountable you know what we all kind of think we have a little bit of autism i think i think it's just i think that's how you become brilliant of like you know scrolling on your phone all the time how could you not you know i think we're all autistic honestly i think i think autism and ADHD, I don't even believe doctors are real, bro. Like, I think, I low-key think, like, the doctors made it so we have to, like, diversify autism and ADHD. What if we all have it? You know what I'm saying? Then no one has it. You could have Down syndrome. I really could. Yeah. I think, if anything, he probably has it.

40:42Graham Stephan:I've looked up the symptoms for autism, and I'm like, I hit a lot of these things. Right? What do you call them? No, I do, too. I get obsessed on these, like, little niche topics and for me it just happened to be youtube and finance and like reef aquariums the most brilliant people in the world are autistic like they are like they they're just creative and that's where i think i have a little bit of something because it's like you're the most brilliant person i'm up there i'm getting there close but you have to have an obsession but then treat it so seriously that's all you think about oh you have that level that's how you become successful yeah it's like it doesn't just happen because you believe in it like you have to sit there and believe in it like yeah i don't know so if you are the clip then what are the top three ronaldo clips of all time um the payphone one that happened when i was actually right before i won fncs even um i was singing payphone and somehow this clip generated billions it still to this day and people love it you probably so i had to look it up i've never heard of it and i found the video and it was like tens of millions oh no there's videos taken down like on the original one on YouTube had like 40 to 50, but I got taken out for copyright.

41:50I saw it. I didn't think it was anything special. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't anything special. And that's why I still don't understand why it's, that's what I'm trying to tell you is I didn't farm it. It just happened. And it's like, but why do people like it? I don't know. They say like, they, they, they think your joy is infectious. Like it just seems like you're so happy in it. I still don't know. Adam Levine, I want to still meet him. That's like still my goal to meet Adam.

42:10Graham Stephan:Can you not do that? I feel like at this point, yeah, I saw that. I'm about to ask, see if I can get it. Dude, I feel like that would be a really easy one for you to do. I just want a picture of them. You should do like a real authentic cover of it where you rent out a studio space. You got like dramatic cameras like zooming in. You're like really getting into it with the mind. That would be the clip right there. It goes, people see it. It goes viral. Is there any chance you could sing it? Fuck no. Fuck no. Please. Just don't. No, no, no, no, no, no. So that's What if I paid you 500 bucks to sing it?

42:45Bro, keep your money, bro.

42:47Graham Stephan:Like, actually, what if I Venmo you? I'm out of payment. I couldn't do it, bro. 20 seconds. I couldn't do it. I need energy. How much would you need to sing this song? I'm just seeing if this is a price that's worth paying. You got cars, right? The Ford GT? You could put 50 miles on your Ford GT. I'll sing it. Yeah, see, look at you. 50 miles in what length of time? know a lot it's all good bro i'm curious that's that's the first clip clip number one what about two and three i'm sure you're thinking of one uh it's when i got slapped by bradley martin i don't know if you've seen that clip yeah uh that wasn't planned at all um i was talking to bradley martin this is the first time i saw him in real life but my man my management at the time it wasn't my manager but like he was like helping with him he put me in contact with bradley martin and bradley martin knew who i was and he'll tell you this like it was no ill intent he actually the clip is he played payphone right on the speakers in the gym so i was like oh he's with me i was like he knows who i am blah blah we're with each other keep in mind i don't know who bradley martin is i'm not in the gym right i didn't know who he was i've heard of him but whatever i took his hat off because i was like oh it's a joke like we're going joke for joke right i didn't think much of it that's like friends with each other right slap the shit out of me and then obviously there's two sides of the internet one why the did you slap him that was so overreaction the other one is don't touch a man's hat and then it's like whatever i don't really give a what happened but um that clip went everywhere uh viral and that actually helped me a lot in my career you know it's funny i saw that clip on twitter when it happened i had no idea that was you yeah so that was my first introduction to you people don't know the full story like i had no like people thought i was just like annoying little kid like just being a jerk like that's kind of where like people were like oh streamers are just annoying little pieces of whatever i had no ill intent like i i'm a genuine person off camera like I care for people like I'm not like an like I'm not gonna go run around screaming in public like too much or like I know my well no I know my place but I know my place it's like I know when to do things and when not to like I have good social awareness social cues with that type of stuff which I feel like a lot of streamers don't nowadays because they see clips of me or they see clips of other people and they're like oh they do it why can't I but it's like it's all social cues you know I'm saying like I know when to do it when not to and people are gonna say like oh no you don't like it's clear you don't i do i know what i'm doing and that's why i think i'm at where i'm at is because i knew what i was doing that slap looked like it hurt though it did yeah what's a six foot five dude dude his hand is like massive what's he's like six three six four i'm five seven he's 260 pounds i'm 140 pounds yeah he is muscle i don't yeah it hurt and what about the third clip i don't know what do you think what have you seen i don't know this is this is up to you i mean i'm dude i don't know we basically last year we streamed 30 days like right now we went to a college and when we went into the college we started going up to dorms like we went to girls dorms guys dorms but we knocked on this girls dorm and she let us in and i guess someone called the college while we were streaming it was like eight of us streaming in there and they were like oh they're harassing women blah blah blah which we weren't.

45:56They were just doing it so the cops would come. So the cops started to come up to the dorm and they started to like arrest all the phase guys. Like not arrest them, put them in cuffs, like detain them. And then I slammed the door of the girl's dorm. Like I was in the room with them and I hid in her bathroom. And like she was with it. She didn't care. She thought it was hilarious. But then like the cop ended up coming in and finding me in the bathroom and I went like this. You have to look at it. I don't find it that funny, but it went everywhere. It was like a stupid clip. So I'm curious, when you're streaming, I know it's a big thing to like dox people and to share their location call the cops and say that there's like a b-o-m-b threat basically How often does this happen to you?

46:36Every day Every day It happened yesterday Yeah So what is the experience on your end? Because I know getting swatted is like you know it's kind of a thing Well it's like the internet it's like there's two sides you have the culture side of the internet which is like you know A different side of the internet like rap people like you know like it's just like kids like kids with like hypebeast You know hypebeast it's like it's like that side and then you have like the the nice side the pleasant side and then obviously the mixture like i have like more of like the culture i feel like so it's like kids that like or go to like it's like the hypebeast era and you know there's a lot of weirdos so when they call the cops i mean they say oh i have a guy someone whatever it might be right they come to the house but they know because they they know who we are so it's like they don't really care but they have to clear the house it's just scary because it's like you never know there might be a new cop on the job that day who's like this i'm scared for my life and it's me but i don't like to think that way and it's like how many times do you think you've been swatted over 50 easily 50 easily especially when i used to live in new jersey but it's so funny i'll pull it up right now it's so funny do they get in trouble for yeah some of them some of them i have like like look at this i have like eight cops numbers just cop cop because they would call me how do you know which cop is who it just shows up on your phone you just pick it up I gave every single cop my number I was like if you ever hear that like I met someone at this address or something like that just call this number and I'll tell you

47:54Graham Stephan:that's the perfect cover up though don't you think what that like now you could go and do that and they'll just be like ah yeah it's another prank no they do it all the time that's the thing the people who swat us no I was making a joke if you were to actually go out and commit a crime it's like it's the perfect you know oh yeah exactly someone calls you'd be like nah it's just another yeah yeah that's another prank call Yeah, just don't look under the... Don't look under the street. Nothing there. No, you're good. No, but I mean, they still have to clear it. It's like their job. They still have to clear it, but there'll be less of like a hassle.

48:22Like the first time it happened when we lived in LA, they came to the house, put us all in cuffs aggressively and just ran through the house. Then the second time they were like, they all came, but it was like slow. It's cool though. You know, it's like, I'm not scared of it no more, but I do have weirdos that follow me. I do have weirdos that wait for me outside the house, which I'm not scared of though. they wait for you outside the house and what's your interaction with them like I just ignore them but like there's weirdos like right now even I don't even think people know this but there's like a weirdo who keeps coming at like 2am basically like 4 dudes and they say they're looking for me I'm not scared of them because I don't wear my jewelry out so if you want to come rob me or beat me up go ahead I don't know I have private security who runs around always and protects me so it's up to you but yeah no there's weirdos it's scary trust me I don't like living in LA what's the closest call you've ever came to some sort of you know crime or attack i don't even know if it had to do with streaming or just in life let's do both uh in life i was on uh hollywood boulevard and my bmw when i had at the time and i don't know why this guy got really mad i i think i cut him off barely but it was like nothing crazy it really wasn't yeah and he started following me through hollywood boulevard like fast like on me and it was his girlfriend and i you know me i'm i'm italian i was i look out the window i go like this to the guy and his girlfriend was driving and then she speeds up on me and i see it in my rearview mirror i'm with my girlfriend and my friends he's reaching in his bag for like a gun and i i'm pretty sure he had it and they were really on me i'm a better driver than you so i i allegedly um on hollywood boulevard you know like when the crosswalk happens there's like people that walk or whatever as people are walking I went around them and the guy had to stop because there's people walking.

50:08But it was like really scary.

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50:40Graham Stephan:That's why you don't honk in LA. Oh, yeah, no. Because you never know who's going to be like. There's weirdos. People just don't care. One day is just like their day's going bad and they snap. No, yeah. You got to be careful. And even when I was doing it with streaming, it's kind of like the similar. It's like people just see my car, whether it be kids, whether it be older people, and they're like, oh, I'm going to follow him. They don't think of me as a real human. They think of me as like an entertainer. So they're like, I'm going to follow him, and whatever throw that is caught like i've i've went to car meets where kids throw at the car and then they get like attacked by my fans though but like i've never really encountered something scary scary i've had like friends encounter stuff really recently and that's kind of where i'm on edge recently but like i'm very like aware of my surroundings and etc so if streaming is harder than a nine-to-five and someone wants to put them themselves through that that pain and discomfort you could never i'm curious is there still opportunity to to grow on twitch today and what do you think is is the main thing if someone wants to grow on twitch they should be done uh if you want to grow on twitch i honestly think you should it's clips it really is clips and it sucks i feel like the game is really up right now it's probably the hardest i mean i wouldn't say it's the hardest it ever is because there is it there is never the hardest time ever right like on youtube it's the same it's like oh it's so hard to become a youtuber it's always going to be the same heart right pause but it's going to be like it's always going to be hard to become a streamer it's always going to be hard to become a youtuber there's never a right time but like right now it's just hard in a way where it's like bro like if you start your stream on twitch like and you're not known it's like why would i watch you type of thing like there's so many creators that are big now and like people hop on the bandwagon of like oh if you don't have a certain amount of viewers why would i watch you it's like really fun shouldn't even be spending a bunch of your time streaming on Twitch.

52:25Instead, you should be trying to find a way to get some clips. If I started fresh right now, I would stream on Twitch like four hours, probably like three hours, maybe even two. And not farm clips, but be myself, whatever, whatever I want to do, whatever type of content. Even if you have zero viewers, you have to fake it till you make it. Like pretend that you have an audience watching you and still create the content that you want to create, clip it, put it on TikTok and then keep streaming every day. Because when people start seeing your clips, even if you have five people see your clip, one of them might be like, oh, like this guy's kind of funny.

52:58I'm going to go on Twitch to see if he's live. And if you're live when he's reacting to it, right, that guy might become a loyal viewer. You know what I'm saying? Like that guy might be like, oh, this guy's funny. And then you keep doing it. It's like compounding, you know, it's like you just got to the biggest problem is people don't do it. You just got to do it. So if you could buy stock in three streamers right now, who would you invest in? Three streamers right now. You know, it's crazy. I'm very good at this. Like very, very good at this like who have you picked out in the past um let's see i people are gonna be like cap in the comments bro when i was watching aiden ross i have text message with him dms when he was averaging still this is great viewership by the way like 3 000 to 5 000 to 10 000 which is by the way some people are like oh yeah he already made it well he did he already did but i knew he was i texted him i was like yo you're gonna get to this level where you're averaging like 50 to 100 thousand we used to have talks about it he'll even say it himself like i used to text him about it and he he became one of the biggest at the time and then same thing with uh my friend jason shout out to jason um he he was averaging like one to two thousand viewers peaking around like four and i told him i was like bro you're gonna be like really big one day and i don't just say it just to say it like when i say it like i only say it to a select few not that my word means anything but like i was like yo you're gonna do this you're gonna do that sure enough he's like that to right now um someone i know named plaque boy max um he used to be in phase clean he actually just left um he was averaging around the same like a thousand to two thousand i told me you're gonna be the biggest one day like for this reasons etc and sure enough he is like people know him for those reasons and i don't know i just feel like i have a good eye for talent and i think that's why i even believe in myself is because i know i can get to a certain level but what qualities do you see in them that makes them stand out um just like hunger to be honest with you you could tell when someone wants it and when someone doesn't.

54:45It's very, maybe not to everyone, but to me, like I could tell when someone is about it, when they want to become a streamer. Cause it's like, you could say you want to become a streamer. If I don't see you live every single day during the certain amount that I did, I'm like, okay, well, he doesn't want to become a streamer. He's not going to make it. And it's not an ego and it's not me being a dick. It's just me telling the truth. And I feel like that's what a lot of people are scared of is like being told the truth. So it's like when people are like, like I've had fans come to me like, I want to become a streamer.

55:09I'm like, no, you don't. I was like, why would you be coming up to me saying you'd be streaming? You know what I'm saying? Like, you would be doing what you want to do. It's like, it's the same I did when I wanted to become a YouTuber. I didn't sit there wishing every day I want to become a YouTuber. I tried to act on it, you know? And it's like, it's all luck at the end of the day to an extent, but it's also the grind. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't get lucky not doing anything. Like, you're not going to get lucky sitting in your bedroom doing nothing, right? So if you're buying stock in three streamers right now, who do you invest in?

55:36um if i had three streamers that i would invest in it's actually i've got one that maybe people are like he already made it but like i'll get into that um i think this dude named faxity he's a fortnite streamer right now he used to average around like 500 to a thousand viewers and funny enough i told him we used to have dinners and this is like when he's like dude i don't know what to do blah blah i told him i was like bro one day you're gonna average this many viewers if you just stick to it and he he stuck to it he'll he'll fully admit it it's funny i actually could pull clip he he mentioned it yesterday he streamed um well he like thanked me for believing in me literally yesterday it's so random i just thought about that um but i think this dude named faxity he's a fortnight streamer he used to average like 500 years he averages like five to ten thousand now um but i think if he did irl content and he expanded a little bit on top of his fortnight content he could be literally as big as me not in the ego way just like to the point where he can do whatever he wants on stream i truly think he's funny um this dude named yusuf um he's a streamer he like irls a lot he averaged around like 2 000 viewers i think once yusuf gets that click where people are like oh what the is he doing type of thing like he just has that one moment i think his career is gonna skyrocket because he has the drive and he has the work ethic and i think he's gonna get the credit he deserves soon um and then one that already made it but i know a lot of people are like for maybe not forgot about him but like don't take him as seriously when it comes to content i think sketch i think sketch can get to a new peak um i think that kid is hilarious and i know people are gonna be like oh but sketch is already huge or whatever yeah he's he's huge but he also doesn't stream as much he doesn't post on youtube as much and he's not consistent with his content he's more or less like a household name but he doesn't really make much content anymore he'll even say that himself it's like i think if he took it seriously and he really wanted to he could become way bigger than he is right now and i i think yeah shout out sketch sketch you should get back on on live yeah we look forward to it like he streams and he does youtube but he doesn't do it as consistently as he should and it could be because he's already made a ton of money or he's like comfortable with where he's at but like i truly think he could reach a new level

57:41Graham Stephan:why don't you go and invest or help the smaller streamers and like maybe work out a split and say hey, I'll help you get to like 10 ,000 viewers and we could split, you know, come up with like a revenue share and we'll grow together. Kind of like what FaZe is doing. Say it again? Kind of what like FaZe's whole thing. Yeah. Let's bring you up with us. I'll break that down too. I kind of do it in a way where, Jesus, I don't really expect much in return. And it's kind of because there's different levels of business models, right? Like I could invest in someone by giving them money. I can invest in someone by helping my, helping their viewership by bringing my viewership to them, maybe tell them to go over.

58:22And then maybe in return, I want you to collab with me or maybe in return, I want you to give me money. The way I do it is when I truly believe in someone, a great example is the guy Faxity. He used to average 500 viewers. I would host them all the time with like eight to 20 ,000 viewers. And I just, I just hosted because I loved them. I thought it was hilarious. My viewers thought he was hilarious. And this isn't an ego he admitted this i pulled the clip yesterday he was like shout out to ron for hosting me so many times he always believed in me like it helped me a lot like i'll always love him it's like that that i i find is better than money like i wouldn't i don't want money in return i want to just see my brain like realize that like okay like i helped someone who actually is grateful for being helped and isn't a dick about it did i make him no but like did i help him yeah it's something he admitted and that and I find that way more of a better return than money and also in the long run it's like and if you want to think in a business way Like if I help Faxity and he does become extremely big, he's going to want to do with me too.

59:23So it's like his viewers are going to want to talk to me. His viewers are going to want to come to me. So it's like we trade off on each other in a special way. You know what I'm saying? Like it's obviously all transitional at the end of the day. That's how the internet is. But like the way I invest into people is like friendships. Like I value my friendships with a lot of people and I'd like to consider Faxity like one of my good friends. Who's the most famous person in your phone? Okay. The most famous person in my phone? There's different levels of fame. There's like a Kai Sinat fame. There's like a Bronny James fame.

59:54Like, what are we thinking? Because I have like, in my phone, I... Give us top three. Just like overall. I would say probably Bronny. I would assume he's the most famous because LeBron's like, everyone in the world knows who Bronny James is most famous. I don't think Graham knew who Bronny James was. I just mentioned... I mean, LeBron's son, if I told you LeBron's son. Yeah, yeah. Okay, then I would know. That's what I'm saying, LeBron's son. Okay. I have Kai's. I'd say Kai Sinat is pretty famous. When did FaZe Clan come into the mix of all this? I've been a fan of FaZe since I was 13, like 12 maybe.

1:00:26I used to cry when I got into their lobbies on Xbox 360. So I've been a FaZe fan forever. But FaZe Clan got in the mix of streaming because when I started to stream more, I was in an organization called NRG. And then when I left, FaZe wanted to pick me up, which was my dream. And I joined FaZe Clan around 2022, 2023. But that was when FaZe was kind of dead. My career was kind of not that big. And then Banks had an idea to have me. And he basically wanted to rebuild FaZe, like how it used to be, like having like the FaZe Adapt, FaZe Rain, FaZe Banks, FaZe Apex, like FaZe Tika, like all these guys.

1:01:04He wanted to rebuild it basically for like a new generation. So he chose me to be a part of that, which I'm forever grateful for. that made my career borderline, like doing FaZe again. And he chose Jason the Ween, which was my friend that I mentioned, Black Boy Max, Silky, and then, oh fuck, Lacey. Black Boy Max, Lacey, Stable Renato, Silky, Jason. Yeah, and Jason. And he basically wanted to do a house in LA. And then we ended up just doing it. We ended up just coming together. And FaZe backed us up. They paid for the house. They paid for our content. And sure enough, when you put five creators who love each other and who are friends with each other in a house, I mean, it turned out to be successful.

1:01:45Graham Stephan:What's the vetting process like on that? What do you mean? Like making sure that we're going to be good in writing, that everything is aligned. The fun part about FaZe Clan is there is none. I mean, there's lines of what we want to do and what we want to accomplish. But when we went into the house, we just said, like, you know, we were like, let's just try to make this work. Did we, was there a stupid amount of money being spent a month? Yeah. But I mean, it was more or less like, it's the, it's the risk and the reward. Like as a business, you're not going to see the green forever. Like, and for a long time, like it was in the red, obviously, but it was like another risk.

1:02:22We had a new investor for FaZe Clan. The guy put a lot of money in and then we invested into the house and we said, and then we just started owning the internet. So how does the business of FaZe work now? Like who owns FaZe? How many shareholders are there? Are you a shareholder in FaZe? How are distributions made? How do you pay FaZe? How do they pay you? Yeah, so we own percentages of FaZe all individually, all of us. Obviously, we don't own a crazy, crazy amount because we're not the ones who put up millions of dollars a month to do the house, millions of dollars for employees, for content or whatever.

1:02:52But I know GameSquare owns a percent. Those were the original investors. And then Matt Kalish, the owner of DraftKings, owns a majority, which, by the way, Matt Kalish might be the greatest old dick ride. I don't care that he's a billionaire, Simon, just because of that. he's by the greatest human that I've met who it I'm talking like he's a he's a billionaire he's a real life billionaire and he'll come to the house hang out with us talk to us he'll if I call him right now I'll pick up the phone I swear to God he'll pick up the phone I've called him at like 2 a.m for just business advice he is a genuine dude and I think he's probably one of the greatest CEOs for us like I it was he really wants to take care of us and he's really good with his so if he owns 51 percent and then I don't know what percent he owns because we also own percent Like that's what I was trying to say.

1:03:33Like whatever online is wrong, but I know that I own a percent, like more than a percent. All the FaZe guys own more than a percent, which I have the shares. I think they're valued at, I don't know, maybe like half a million, 600 ,000, but I mean, it's someone has to buy it. You know what I'm saying?

1:03:50Graham Stephan:And so you split then some revenue with the overall business in exchange for having certain expenses. So the way the business model works from what my understanding is, because obviously this is only our year two. we're not even on year two we're about to actually no yeah i would say where we just hit year two of the remodel so we're still figuring it out but basically the plan is it's like you know when we create ips if phase wants to invest in that phase basically just put us on like helped us get more recognition and now the way the brand makes money is if we bring sponsorships if we bring ips if we bring products they would help take a percent from that but it's not like some where it's like oh you have to give us 50 of your no it's like okay if you want to drop a product right um i'll help you i'll put up x amount of money for you but in return you just have to give me 30 which is completely fair right he's kick-starting it and he's willing to take that risk and he's verbally told me he's like oh yeah if it fails it fails you know i'm saying like you're not really allowed to do work like that with other people i mean who's going to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars into me millions of dollars and take the risk it might lose it i'm saying so it's like so it is fair if he wants 40 if he wants 50 it depends you know i'm saying like if i do a uh like a like a thing i want to do is i want to do something to do with cars like just drag races or laps like like courses if i have to ask for millions of dollars he'll find me people to invest millions of dollars into me and he'll take that risk but in return he would be like okay yeah i want 40 and i'm like yeah that's fair that's completely fair because i'm not gonna put a million dollars i'm gonna be honest i'm not yeah i don't want to take that risk because i don't have the liquid to do that so it's like yeah yeah but that's kind of how the business model is and it it does work and it will work you know um do i think phase as a whole is a profitable business i don't think any organization in gaming is like a profitable thing because they spend too much money but i do think the way to become profitable is stuff like that like if i made a prime right that company's worth a billion dollars and matt kalish owns whatever half of if you make half a billion dollars if they sell for a billion dollars it's like okay we're profitable so it's like so it seems like kind of what it is is he front-loaded a lot of the money for you guys to be able to have the capital and access to grow on on streaming and then i could be very wrong but i'm pretty sure and then because of that you guys just have a close a tightly knit relationship with him where if you guys want to do something he's the first guy you guys go to and then he kind of he's able to get his hands and you know if you guys want to yeah but he also he also truly believes in it and And that's why he's very important.

1:06:19No, it seems cool. It's more of a handshake thing. But if it works out, it works out. It's cool. He's very smart. He's not dumb. And I think he's the greatest person. He really takes risks for us. And it feels like family. And obviously, there's always going to be opinions on the internet. Because people are like, phase this, phase that, whatever. You obviously see all the negativity of that type of stuff. But it's like, I don't know. I feel like right now, FaZe is in its best spot right now, in my opinion. It's the most fun I've had, most fun people said they've watched. So why did FaZe kick out a bunch of members?

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1:09:53So why did FaZe kick out a bunch of members? Do you know those members? I know a couple of them. I know they kicked out Blaze, and I was upset about that. Did Blaze make content? Eh, not really. And he made a video where he was like, I get it, you know? Like, I get why they kicked me out. I also think it's like, so there's two different people that get kicked. There's the newcomers and then the OG phase, right? People are like, okay, Apex, Rain, Tico, Temper, phase Blaze, whatever, right? You can kick them out of phase, but they're still phase, right? Like when we, I think, I think when they did the kick out type of stuff, it was more or less, it's like, okay, you're just not involved in our content no more.

1:10:33Like, cause they don't want to be truthfully. And if they do want to be like, I don't know, but like from what I'm understanding, because I'm not the one who kicked them. I wasn't even in phase when they kicked them, but I was, but like, I wasn't the guy in charge. It was more or less, there were so many people in phase that you guys probably don't even know. And then there was the random people that were in phase that you guys have no clue. Like if I named some people, you probably wouldn't even know, you know what I'm saying? So it's like those people got kicked because it's like, what is FaZe Clan now?

1:10:59FaZe Clan used to be what you just said, a FaZe Blaze, a FaZe Rain, a FaZe Adapt, a FaZe Temper. Like those were household names that people knew. And it was such a tight group. And everyone's like, I want to join FaZe. But if you have like a hundred people who some make content, some don't, some want to grind, some don't, some don't even care to be on YouTube, don't care to be on streams, whatever. It's like, what is this about now?

1:11:19Graham Stephan:Why don't they want to be on stream? Like, I don't get it. To have such a big opportunity. Well, that's the thing. I'm not going to say names, but there's been people in face who are guaranteed half a million dollars a year and then half a million dollars on top of that with sponsors and they didn't stream. They didn't, they didn't want to work. Why do you think they're not wanting to work? When you put something in someone's face, it's very easy to take and not like give back. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's very easy for someone to, to say like, if I, if I offered you a job, right. And I was like, okay, I'm going to give you a million dollars a year.

1:11:51Your instincts is probably like, Oh, what the? I'm getting a million dollars a year. You sign the contract, whatever it is. I'm like, okay, you have to do YouTube videos. You have to do, you have to do a couple of YouTube videos a month, right? There's no, there's not a real situation, but like a couple of you do a month, you might be like, okay, I'm going to do the couple of YouTube videos a month and that's it. I'm not going to go above and beyond, et cetera. And that's kind of what it was. It's like, they would do the bare minimum if that, and then they'd get lazy. Cause they're like, okay, I'm guaranteed a check.

1:12:16You know what I'm saying? I signed a contract. So it's like, it's very easy for people to see numbers and just get motivated by numbers and not disciplined you know like this goes with viewership this goes with revenue this goes with followers like i'm sure you've seen tons of artists this episode is brought to you by google chrome you think you know a browser but gemini and chrome that's new it can help you with practically anything on the web like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks gemini and chrome is here for it ready to make anything online make sense there's no place like chrome check responses set up required compatibility and availability varies 18 plus who make a quick amount of money and they get comfortable and they're like okay you know i can chill and that's how they lose it same it's the same concept you know it's the entertainment industry so it's like yeah it's all the same concept it's so frustrating to me i've seen so

1:13:13Graham Stephan:many people in that exact same position where they start doing really well they start making a ton of money and they get so comfortable. I'm a victim to it. And then they just slack off, spend the money. And they're like, oh, two years later, I got to figure this out. Yeah. And I'm honestly, I've got a good analogy for it too. Actually, before I even say I'm a victim to it, it's bro, look at COVID. Look at all these TikTokers who were making money, thought that they were rich, thought that they were crazy influencers and they're scrambling now because it's all going away. They got comfortable.

1:13:42You know what I'm saying? The internet changes, the world changes, etc. But again, I am a victim to it. And I think that's how I originally like fell off is because I got so comfortable, I'd go live and I'd be like, Okay, I'm gonna get 20 ,000 viewers today, I'm gonna make$20 ,000 today. I'm cool. I'm okay. Then I don't go live the next day because I'm like, Oh, I'll just go live a day after and I'll have this amount of viewers, I'll make this amount of money, then it would drop down a couple of thousand viewers. I'm like, that's whatever, bro, average 15 ,000 viewers tomorrow, make$10 ,000 tomorrow, it went down again and then it would slowly go down and then that's when i started getting my own head i'm like if i don't have this amount of viewership or if i don't make this amount of money i don't enjoy it anymore and that's where i realized i lost my passion and that's where i had to take a step back realize what i had be grateful for and come back and actually make content that i believe in and enjoy so and i think that's why i thrive right now is because like even coming here like when i dm'd you guys it's like because i'm like i enjoy talking about stuff like this like i enjoy actually like bringing attention to like this because i think a lot of people need it truth how does it

1:14:41Graham Stephan:feel though if you're not streaming you're like technically leaving money on the table so yeah i think about that a lot um for instance like if i don't stream today realistically i'm just being honest transparent i would probably miss out on like if i streamed eight hours today i'd probably miss out on like eight to fifteen thousand dollars just off streaming but it's like at the same time i don't stream for money and i know people might be the cat but i really don't i i i like taking breaks i like and i wouldn't even consider it a break if i don't stream today i did this you know I'm saying I did something productive as long as you're doing something productive in your off time you're not leaving money behind you know what I'm saying like you're you're not even leaving opportunity behind how does that how do you have that mentality for me that was very difficult because from 2019 through 2023 really I wouldn't take a day off I refused because every day I took off I know I'm leaving like I'm paying x amount not to work today and I'm like I'd rather just work well it's the wrong mindset in my head because it's like there's unlimited money in the world there's always going to be money on the table it's just about how you want to go get it you know what i'm saying like there's there's ways you might you might figure out a way how to make more money than you've ever seen tomorrow and you might not realize it and be like why the am i doing a podcast but then you still do the podcast you know i'm saying like there's an up there's chance of that and i think it's just when you say like how do you not get scared or how do you not have that mentality i think it's more or less in my head it also has to do with my beliefs in the world like i believe truly like it's so cliche but it's it's really how i believe it's how i it's how i operate it's like i believe i'm a good person that good opportunity will happen and i feel like i'm always gonna have fortune in my life so it's like i don't worry about taking days off if i don't make amount of money or etc you have an abundance mentality i very much have a scarcity where every day i'm like all right this is it the thing is changing tomorrow but the thing is I have that mentality with streaming because I don't think about it money wise, but I think about it like, okay, I could fall off tomorrow.

1:16:36Oh, I could lose viewership tomorrow. If I started going from 20 ,000 viewers to 10 ,000 viewers, it's like, okay, you split your revenue, you split your relevancy. So it's like comes and goes. And it's like, again, analogy is like the TikToker. When these TikToker are getting 5 million views a video, and then all of a sudden they start getting half a million views. It's like, oh, what do I do type of thing? So it's like, it's the same thing with YouTube. If you upload this video and it's a one out of 10, you guys would be like, yeah, this is amazing whatever and if this video is a 10 out of 10 you're gonna be like okay like and then you might like think about should we have more streamers on should we do this and it's like that you you just gotta work you just gotta do it you know i'm saying it goes back to what we said originally it's like you just gotta just not care and just do that how you want to do it so if you think you should work every single day do it seriously do it but i i do think taking breaks is good for you if it's not like a break like even when i go like when i was mentioning how i drive my car.

1:17:28It's not real break. I might not stream. I might not post. I might not even do a podcast. It's not a real break because it's helping me mentally when I'm taking this break. It's like I'm so I'm clearing my head so I can work better. I'm clearing my head so I can think of ideas. I'm clearing my head so I can just figure out what I want to do next. You know, if you work every single day, you have no opportunity to think really. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. At a certain point, I feel like you get a higher ROI just from thinking than you do from yes whereas like in the beginning i think you should do a whole lot more doing maybe like 80 doing 20 thinking and then it kind of shifts over time to like more thinking more kind of like honestly i get a high roi from like going on a little vacation or like a weekend trip just to let my body like calm down and then i'll come up with an idea on that trip and then i'll execute on it and it'll be a game changer i like to do this thing called toilet thoughts when i get on the toilet i think better how long do you usually spend on it sometimes i sit on the toilet just for an hour and i'm like i'm really starting but i start thinking of ideas same thing with driving Sometimes I'll drive, no music.

1:18:28I'll literally just drive and I'll be like, okay, I want to do this. I want to do that. It's a form of therapy. But a great example of people like what you were just saying, return of a investment, ROI. When you take breaks, look at someone like Logan Paul, a great example, or Jake Paul, a great example. These guys uploaded every single day for two years, three years, every single day, 5 million views of video, 10 million views of video, every day. these guys are probably making like what fifty thousand dollars a video seventy thousand dollars a video millions of dollars on merch but then they randomly start taking breaks but now look look how brilliant they are it's like they figured out ways when they took breaks to become bigger become better things another great example more relevant to like i guess my space is like kaisenat kaisenat used to stream every single day i'm sure every single day he's making 20 to 30 50 000 off streaming off sponsors whatever more money but like when he's streaming every day he's like okay I'm making like 50 to 100 thousand dollars today okay I could go buy my dream car tomorrow I could go buy a dream watch tomorrow but like when he takes these breaks look what he's doing right now like you know I'm saying he creates these bigger ideas and these crazier ideas because he took a break he wouldn't be able to do what he's doing right now if he didn't take a break he wouldn't have thought of it he wouldn't have and he knows that and it's like anyone knows that it's like you become brilliant when you take more breaks as you could think of better ideas How do you balance streaming working with having a relationship now?

1:19:56It's kind of interesting because the way my relationship works is, and I think a lot of people should follow this formula, is really building a foundation off the bat. And it sounds very normal. Everyone says that. But it's like really solidifying a boundary and foundation. Like when I met my girlfriend, first and foremost, I told her, I was like, you cannot have a social media presence. I just don't want it. And I'm like, if that's controlling, I get it. Like I actually, I'm very understanding. Like I'm like, okay, I get it. Like why is my boyfriend not wanting me to be public or whatever? But I'm like, and she really respects it.

1:20:27And that's why I love her is like, because I just don't, when I'm online, I'm online. When I'm offline, I want to have an offline life. Like I want to enjoy my life. So it's like when I, when I met my girlfriend, I was like, yeah, I just, I really don't want you public on like TikTok, social media, streaming, whatever it might be. Like she could go live tomorrow, probably average like thousands of viewers and make hundreds of thousand dollars off my name. but she respects me enough to not do that. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I told her, I just, I don't want you online. Um, when I work, I want to be able to work.

1:20:57Like, I don't want to be able to be like bombarded or like clinginess or like pettiness over small things. Like I like to keep my private life private and it sucks too. Cause then there's weirdos on the internet. Like, Oh, what does she look like? What is she hiding if she's not public? And that's why like, I'll show her face. Like I posted her before just so I could get rid of the stalkers and all that. But like, yeah, she doesn't come on camera. She doesn't do anything. I like to keep it private. So a lot of people would be wondering if you're young, you're making a bunch of money, you have a bunch of freedom, you're so successful.

1:21:25Like, why would you settle down into some sort of a relationship when you could optimize on building the business, making more money, grinding when you have this like kind of golden egg right in front of you can just keep harvesting? Because I think a lot of people have two. Okay, so this is a great question, because there's there's ways to balance this and I feel like that's a problem with life is people don't find balance like I think if I didn't have a girlfriend I wouldn't be successful in other ways I wouldn't when I'm off stream I was I used I used to end stream and just be super stressed just super like not and I wouldn't be relaxed and when I'm with her I feel more relaxed or I feel better but like I also don't let it affect my business side and a lot of people do and they'll say it doesn't but then it does a little bit like I truly I tell her I'm like yo like like I thought we've had arguments it's a relationship you know i'm saying you're gonna have arguments you're gonna have ups and downs but like i would tell her i'm like i can't let this affect my day-to-day i was like i can't let this affect my job if so like we have to be done type of thing and it's like it's not like ultimatums but it's like i try to find a balance of having a relationship and having work and i think i do a pretty good job at it yeah you set your frame yeah kind of where it's at but but what i'm curious is a lot of guys in your position if you're young you're living in los angeles you what they're whipped i don't know what that technically means you know what i mean yeah of You haven't heard the term?

1:22:40I don't know what that technically means. It's like basically like your girlfriend will control you. No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. I thought that's what you were saying. No, no.

1:22:48Graham Stephan:What I'm saying is that you would, you know, be a free... Go out to like cars. Cars. Bars, clubs. Those sorts of things. And just like go try to find a girl. Play the field. Yeah, play the field. You could flex all the stuff you have going on. Your cars, your watches, your money, your influence and stuff like that. And just have like 50 girlfriends at once. You know what I mean? Like why is that such a common thing out here for people with your demographic and yet you don't do it? Well, it's the same. It goes back to what I think. I think it was what you said. It was like when you make so much money, like are you good with your money or whatever, right?

1:23:20It's like these guys who get so many followers, they're quickly to just like want to flaunt it. Like when I don't even know if we have it on camera. And I was telling you like on I was like, I don't really like to show like numbers and all that because it's like I just don't care. And I think it's just how I grew up. Like when I was in high school, I didn't kiss a girl until I was like 18. I didn't you know what I'm saying? like I didn't lose my virginity to my first girlfriend like I wasn't putting my dick in random like I wasn't like flexing when I won money like I wouldn't go up to like people would flex their clothes people would flex their money like I just don't it may seem like I do sometimes but I really don't and I think like all these other influencers have this and they're like I want to be someone who I'm not there's people who buy cars right buy cars they don't actually buy them but they say they buy them what are they doing leasing or renting both they do long I didn't

1:24:05Graham Stephan:Leasing could make a good financial sense, though, if they're writing it off. Sometimes I'm in favor of leasing. I agree. No, you can lease a car for however. That's not my problem. It's when you fake it and you say that you own it for real. And then you try to flex this fake lifestyle. Or like if I rented a car for the weekend. How many people do that? How many people do that? How common is it? It's like percentage. Would you say 85 % to 90 % of people don't own what they say they have. And I know that from meeting people. And I know that from hearing things from people from people and seeing.

1:24:37Keep in mind, I have the check that I paid from Wells Fargo,$400 ,000 for my GT3 RS because I bought it cash because I wanted that car because I wanted it. That's interesting because you're like around the YouTube and streamer community a lot. We are sure we're around the YouTube community a lot, not very much the streamer. But most of the people we're now spending time with, especially on the podcast, are like entrepreneurs, like business people that own things. Like, for example, if we have Papa John on here, we don't need to validate that he actually owns his cars. But these are John. Because when I walk in the room, you could tell once I'm sure you could tell when someone's legit and when someone's not.

1:25:11It's it's it's again, it's a human trait. It's like me personally, like if someone walked in here and you had 10 people and you told me each one of these guys are a millionaire and they all whatever they all had chuler or whatever. I could tell you which one is probably the real millionaire. So how did you meet your girlfriend? I DM'd her. And I know people are going to say, oh, OK, you DM'd her. um she i dm'd her to play video games and this was off camera how did you see her though it was a random tiktok with 20 views and i was literally depressed and i wanted to play valorant at the time and she was playing valorant and i was like okay let's play valorant together at first it was like nothing still was nothing for like a couple times but then we just started to talk more and she was single i was single and i just had fun having conversation with her you know i enjoyed just being around her.

1:25:55So it was more or less like I talked to her, we played video games and we eventually met because we're both in California and the rest was kind of history. But I know a lot of people are like, okay, well, she responded to you because you have a check mark. She responded to you because you have followers. She responded to you because you have money. There's very, in my head, and I don't think there's always going to be comments. No matter, I could say anything on this mic right now and there's going to be someone out there like, oh yeah, he's brainwashed. Oh yeah, he's falling for it. No matter what I say, I could say the most perfect articulated sentence It's not going to matter.

1:26:24So that's why I don't even care to give a reason. But like, I know she's not a bad person. There's obviously trials and tests that you mentally, she knows it's not like I'm being a dick. It's like, I've told her, I'm like, yeah, like, you know, there's ways to tell if someone's a nice person, a good person. And she also has money. Her family has money. Also, there's nothing wrong, I feel like you can contend with this, with saying that if you do have status, money, influence, stuff like that, that that will generally just be attractive to a girl. because I feel like girls kind of, they seek out some sense of like a provider, some guy that can like make them feel safe and comfortable.

1:26:58And so if you have those qualifications, it's not only that you have the money and the influence and the power, but it's also that you have the traits. You have the confidence and the charisma. You have the character traits that would let you achieve those things. Those character traits are passion. Passion, passion. Exactly. And that's why, like, I'm telling you, like, no matter what we say, by the way, there's going to be comments that are like, oh, this guy's brainwashed. This guy's an idiot. Of course there will be. So that's why it's like, it goes back to also what you just said, like having these character characteristics of like being charismatic and like passionate about something.

1:27:30It's like a lot of these guys don't. So when they see someone like me, if I DM a girl and I have followers, they're quick to be like annoyed by it. Be like, oh, yeah, she's only fucking with you because you have followers, whatever. It's like, truthfully, I had a girlfriend before I had followers, before I had anything. And look where that got me. I didn't I didn't date her. So it's like I think that statement's wrong. and I don't know. I think we were just dumb. So how long do you think you're going to date her before you guys try to take it to a different level? You gave her a promise ring. What's the logic

1:27:55Graham Stephan:behind the promise ring? She probably would. She taught me more things than I've, by the way, like ever experienced like in life about certain things, traveling, certain places. She's taken me like just like being there and she's shown me that like no matter what when like I get annoyed, when I get angry, like, you know, it's human traits like when I get worked up or stressed or whatever, she's not quick to jump the like oh you're being annoying you're being an like like how some girls would be like pettiness or like childish etc like she's understanding and but i just know i just love this girl so it's like i was like you know what it's my one year anniversary with her i was like it's like we made a year you know here's what why why a promise ring over like a nice necklace i think it's just like earrings i think it's just like tradition you know when someone gets a promise ring they're like they think it's cute they're like oh it's like another level of like it's like here's my intention yeah yeah and so if you end up marrying this girl are you getting a prenup a hundred percent a thousand percent and she knows that she wants a prenup herself how early did you bring up the prenup conversation she's not as quick as possible she knows that she wants a prenup she said the same thing she's like i want to make sure my assets are safe that's what she said and i was like yeah that's respectful it comes from a wealthy family i take it uh i would say to a degree but like even in general she she wants to go to law school or something like that and she was saying like she wants to just protect herself even if she has money she doesn't have money but like when i brought up the conversation she wasn't like oh so you don't trust me like with money like bro that was because that's a red flag well if that's the case i wouldn't have dated her that's my point is like i've i've there's like those trials that you go through where you figure out if this girl like a girl's legit it's the same thing with guys if a guy's legit you know so it's like yeah i mean the prenup was off the bat she knows that though and like even like like we talked about it like even like recently like oh like about like money etc and i'm like yeah i'm always gonna protect myself and she knows this is like i've said this since the beginning is like i'm always gonna protect my business and i'm always gonna put my business above us and i said it's rude i'll be honest with you it is rude but i'm always gonna put my business ahead of you it's just how it is and it's like if you want to date someone like that you can if not if not do you think that would ever change like let's say you have kids one day it could always change emotions can change hormones can change like people can change whatever but i'm not gonna change i think at this stage in your life it's probably the smart thing to do until you like actually settle down that's what i'm saying like if changes then moves like stuff moves accordingly you know what i'm saying like stuff will move accordingly to stuff that changes and it's like i'm not a dumbass i've seen what happens with my mom and my my father at the time um they're divorced but like i've seen like how it operates i've seen in real life like how families tear apart or like relationships break and it's like i'm not and i'm not gonna like if does change god forbid it's like i'm gonna move accordingly and i i know how to move i'm not gonna like i said i'm not gonna be with i'm not gonna be like oh please come back please stay type of you know i'm saying like i'm never this is the mentality i guess yeah i don't know if that answer do you know when you guys are gonna move in together or when that might happen not anytime soon um because i told her i was like i'm not gonna lie like rent's paid right now by face clan shout out face clan content's being paid for it's like why would i ever take that for granted i guess and like try to move out or try to spread myself and that's just how it is yeah you know now on on the topic of money i'm curious where is your money coming from what do you mean like what what income sources do you have okay um so right now i have twit i guess in order um twitch is probably my biggest check i would say month to month it's because that's what that's what i'm most consistent in um are you comfortable saying numbers or do you yeah okay um for an average month right now if i stream around 140 hours i'm pretty much around 150 to 200 000 dollars um if i exceed that with like for instance like the month of the elder ring marathon i streamed about 100 no i streamed about 210 hours um and that is with the investment i did the 30 thousand that I put in.

1:32:03Um, and then that whole month, 210 hours, it was with daily streaming. And then the Elden Ring thing, uh, I made, I think 210 hours. I think I made$230 ,000 a month of Twitch that month. And then alongside I've had sponsorships. I won't say what sponsorship, but you could figure it out. But, uh, I've had, I'll have sponsorships. That's another source of income is sponsorships. Sponsorships is like one of the biggest things. Um, there's months to month sponsorships that are like a 10 to 20, 30 grand, where I get paid 30 grand a month, um, for like six months if I do like a deliverables or whatever and then there's sponsorships that are like one off like for instance um if I do like a battlefield like I play battlefield I'm not gonna say how much it was but because I can't but um I did battlefield and that's like a big check like that ranges from anywhere from 200 ,000 to 400 ,000 just for like those deliverables in a month and yeah I've had months where I've made over half a million to almost a million dollars actually I don't know

1:32:56Graham Stephan:You haven't cracked the million mark yet? No, I don't know. Have I? I probably have. I think I have. There was a point where I had a gambling deal. I did it for two months. I got paid$100 ,000 a week for two months. And what happened after the two months? It just went downhill. They got rid of it off Twitch, but I also had to realize that gambling... Class it up with Crocs. You know back to school is coming in fast. So why wait to find your new fave footwear? Step into a local croc store and step into your new look. Try it. Style it. Make it yours. Because the right pair doesn't just show up. It shows off.

1:33:36Graham Stephan:First day fits, handled. Walk out ready for whatever's next. Visit your nearest croc store today. So with the gambling deal, I'm curious, do they fund your account as well to gamble that money, right? Well, so there's two different gambling things, and that's why people think it's not legit. There's people who get fill balances where they get paid, let's say like$100 ,000 and they can only keep 20 % of what they win. I got paid$100 ,000 a week, but if I lost$80 ,000, I made only$20 ,000 only. I made$20 ,000 that week. Did they tell you how much you have to be gambling? So that was a big thing.

1:34:09I finessed the system. They didn't tell me. So that's why they got mad. That's what I was doing. I was doing$1 spins. I ended up making sure I cashed every single week$85 ,000 minimum.

1:34:19Graham Stephan:They got mad at me. You find that viewership declined doing$1 spins versus Togi, who's doing like 1 ,000 to like 5 ,000 spins? Oh, for sure. It's more entertaining. But it's like, you know, there's different worlds, you know? Like, look at Trainwrecks. Trainwrecks gets paid over, like, no exaggeration, like$30 million a month. But people are like, oh, he gets paid$30 a month. He's not actually cashing in$30 million a month. He can, but the thing is he gambles it, and that's why he gets paid$30 million a month. because the guy who runs stake knows, okay, if Trainwrex gambles$30 million this month and he loses it all, I won because it's back in my pocket.

1:34:56But if he doesn't gamble, I'm going to be on edge and be like, why would I do this again and again and again? Trainwrex is, he's very smart with his money. I've talked to him a lot. But yeah, he could have been getting paid like with affiliate money.

1:35:07Graham Stephan:That's guaranteed. Speaking with a lot of these guys, they're so smart. Like when you actually talk to them, it's so strategic and they're not dumb. Like speaking to Togi even, And like just hearing his dedication and passion and like what he's into and like everything is thought out. And I'm seeing on the outside just looking in, I'm like, oh, dude, this is a train wreck. But it's not. And I think a lot goes on behind the scenes. You just have no idea. Yeah. I mean, I can't speak for Togi as much as I don't know. But like train wrecks are one of the most wealthiest people I know who who's shown me his wealth like he's wealthy.

1:35:42Yeah, he's very smart with how he does everything. and he's very smart with how he makes money. And the internet can think these guys are fake. Again, this goes back to what I said. No, at the end of the day, as long as they know they're not fake and I know I'm not fake, like faking my lifestyle or whatever, like, oh, it's a real world. I think it's just unfathomable to people. Like that is a concept. Like when I mentioned he was getting paid $30 million a month, you were like, like, I've seen it. I've seen it. Because I've seen people get paid$4 million a week just off gambling. I've seen these, I've literally vividly in person have seen numbers being transferred

1:36:16Graham Stephan:because it's how it is. So you don't have to name anybody, but what's the biggest amount that you've seen? Oh, I mean, based on this conversation, it's pretty easy to understand. I'm not going to say his name, but there's a point where someone clicked on their balance on a website, like in their vault, and it was like, I think it was like$11 million, $12 million just sitting there. And I was like, can you take that out right now? And he took it out. And he just took it out. that's what i'm saying i'm like i'm like okay and what does it mean when it's like in a vault that's just like it's just like if you don't want to play with it if you just want to keep it on the site it's like a bank for the sizey but like he he took it out but what about like the biggest deals that you've seen in terms of like amount per week or per day oh brother i i've known i know people who got paid millions a week like just to gamble like i mean it's it's a real world because in the return it's like all these people look at us we're talking about it right now that's marketing you know what i'm saying they're paying for they're putting their money for each buck it's like we're talking about it right now there's probably someone in this video who's gonna be like oh yeah i'm gonna go i'm gonna go gamble real quick because they talk about it like these guys telling you it's it's all marketing and it's it's genius is it a lot of money yeah but it's the gambling world is like money's always coming in money's always going around it's like why would coca-cola spend millions of dollars every year on advertising if everyone knows what coca-cola is it's to stay relevant you know what i'm saying so it's like the same concept what do you think the future is for those sort of streams like the gambling streams do you think they're going to continue cracking down on it for sure but it's never going to go anywhere yeah what are you going to do how are you going to get rid of gambling it's a it's a it's a world thing it's like a big thing in the world you know i'm saying probably age probably age verification where you have to like submit your id and be 18 or 21 to like watch these streams that would that would crush the industry but there's a reason they don't do it it's because it's a profitable business and they're taking percent these sites are giving platforms money to be on their site like telling you it's all it takes is one regulator because they've been starting to do that with the hub websites where they like require that you give id i wouldn't know but jack has been telling me about this hub websites bro jack you haven't heard the hub the hub sites i haven't heard of that i mean sometimes you can't spend the fact that you even have like some sort of nickname for it just goes to show bro you're in the trenches you're yeah jacques playing no wonder you like left mid-podcast to walk over there it was like a couple minutes i mean that's not bad yeah it's fast yeah i just gotta check my phone real quick they posted a new video no but yeah it's like it it it's an industry bro it's never gonna i don't think it'll ever go away even if they do the age verification so if you're you're making what 400 000 or so a month on good months yeah so like 300 to 400 grand yeah in in months i'm curious who do you think has the deepest pockets then of all the streamers of like of like like aiden ross or xqc or train those are probably the people i think uh train rocks i have known he's told me some things and i've i've seen it he's deepest pockets easy easily but what about aiden doesn't he own a percentage of like kick and steak yeah aiden has great money great great money and i know that too because i've i've been to his house before we've talked um etc but xqc's poor as fuck by the way that guy's poor like dirt poor i'm talking like he doesn't even have a no he's he's poor bro why is he poor i just i don't with that guy bro he just doesn't make it's like an inside of course it's a clip she's the club all right so where do you invest me yeah um so right now i have houses i do a little bit of real estate where i bought houses i've never done like section eight and a b and b's but like i'll just buy houses just to maintain for the market um i just actually where do you buy houses i do new jersey oh really yeah because that's where i'm originally from okay property taxes high though yeah but it's just it's also more comfort because i know like i can go there and watch over i'm about to start getting into people watching over property so i can invest more like a financial company all that type of stuff um but i do that i don't do crypto um i don't really do assets like watches i guess like what you were saying like back to cars it's like if you don't drive it same thing with watches i guess that's an asset it is but it's like they go up and down like look at the covid market like that went up then it went down so it's like but most of my money either goes into real estate and then like obviously into like just stocks like i have my management that just puts stocks doing like index funds yeah of course okay cool but i I mean, most of my money, I'm not going to lie, is it's just like invested into real estate, to be honest.

1:40:55I like cash flow.

1:40:56Graham Stephan:Are you getting a good return on real estate? Because the price is the way they are now, unless you're buying it outright. But even if you look at the return buying it outright, it's not like that great anymore at today's prices. It's more comfort for me. It's just like a security. Yeah, a great example is like Faze Rug. Like what he's taught me and he's said this too. Oh, dude, yeah. Have you guys had him on here? No, I would love to get Faze Rug on that. Yeah, we tried. outside oh my god he wanted i met him and i was like and because he knew what we were doing and i was like dude you should come on he was like i'm super super down yeah he wanted us to go down to san diego and we're like yes when and he's like i i don't know this is kind of busy he's very busy yeah but um he's taught me he's like i'm not gonna say how many provers he has but every time he gets a check he buys a house outright completely just like a single family home i i don't know what type but he'll buy he does like multi a lot of multi-family he'll some commercial smart buy it out so he owns it even if it's a lot of money he'll buy it out so he owns it i'm pretty sure rug you can correct me if i'm wrong but this is what he told me and he has a lot of properties and like i just i get so inspired by that because every time he gets a check he's not blowing it on stupid it's either his content like sure he'll buy like some stuff but like everyone does that you have a life you know you only live once but he's very smart he'll just buy stuff that he'll know is a return eventually so like when he decides to be done with youtube he's sitting on x amount of money with real estate that's been going up and then also that he can rent out it's like for you'll be forever safe you know he's very smart when it comes to that but i think he's buying a lot in california i could be i don't know that yeah i don't know it might be san diego down there though like that might be better so yeah so aside from mr beast who do you think is going to be the second YouTube billionaire or content creator.

1:42:40Graham Stephan:Oh, Logan Paul. Oh, okay. Easily. Yeah. Easily. Jake Paul too. I think Logan Paul will be there before. Logan Paul, he's just a mastermind with content. When I met him too, he's very good at life. And people think he's a dumbass. He's very good. So what would you say is the best and worst investment you've ever made? The best investment I ever made? Myself. That$8 ,000 computer you bought. Yeah. Actually, I got a funny investment. My cat. And you're going to think it's a joke. I bought that cat for, I bought a cat. I named him Burger. I bought him for$100. I'm not, this is a true story. You can go on TikTok.

1:43:20I bought him for$100. He's made me - I flipped him for$400. He made me millions of dollars. No, he made me millions of dollars. I'm serious. How? I went so viral because of him. I'm not kidding. Like when I was playing Fortnite every day, like when I was coming back, I was playing and I bought this cat and you can literally look it up on TikTok, Burger. It'll come up as a burger, the cat. We're talking like celebrities found him, like Madison Beer started talking about him. Like all these people started talking about him and these clips would generate no exaggeration. Every time I posted him, it'd be like 5 million views, 8 million views, 10 million views, 10 million views.

1:43:53Why? I don't know. What do you mean you don't know? There's something up with Burger. He's just a, it's a funny cat. It's a funny name. and like the shit he would do on stream like bro it's like one of those cats a hundred dollars it's like they were gonna probably kill the cat i don't know they were gonna do something with the cat they weren't gonna keep in there so i bought them and this was jumping on me on stream like jumping onto the cameras doing stupid and people just find it hilarious and it turned into like a character that went viral all over tiktok and people started coming into my streams more they started watching me then they would wait for my cat and then they find me funny and then they'd stay for me so i'm not kidding that was probably the greatest investment so people should be adopting more

1:44:32Graham Stephan:cats go to the shelter check out the cats go to the like the shelters and take them from those wrong they don't so serious i'm telling you yeah i'm not kidding like it sounds like a joke that was my greatest investment i swear to god and what's your worst investment my worst investment i would say such a answer but i would say just clothes and jewelry it's like besides watches like i would say like buying like diamonds and or buying like balenciaga or like like that it doesn't matter and it's such a it's it's hard because a lot of kids will do it and i'm a victim to it it's not about like propaganda like people like like streamers wearing it or like youtubers wearing it or like athletes or celebrities like oh this cool you should rock it or if i walk around with a thousand dollar t-shirt everyone's like oh that guy's got a thousand dollar t-shirt he's cool I kind of grew out of it a lot recently because I'm like what the f*** am I doing you know what I'm saying like I'll I usually like if I buy expensive like clothes it'll be like unbranded or you won't be able to tell like for instance a great example is like there's these Balenciaga jeans but you wouldn't be able to tell their Balenciaga they were like a thousand five hundred but I could wear them 10 times in a week and no one would know I'm re-wearing them and it's like that to me is a better investment like a logo on my chest etc this was a gift so I mean it's like Do you know what this is?

1:45:51Probably Goodfellow.

1:45:53Graham Stephan:No, Tom Ford. Is it? That's what I'm saying. If I wore a Goodfellow, you would. And that was a gift too. No, but you could wear that 10 times a week and no one's going to be like, that to me is a good investment though, like a better investment than like, like bro, I'm not kidding. On my streams every day, I wear a black t-shirt. I wear a Goodfellow t-shirt. I bought 20 from Target for$20. And I wear it every single day. So they say past a certain point in income, life quality doesn't really increase. what line would you draw on the income scale? Like, where would you say life doesn't get better?

1:46:25Define better, though, because everyone finds something better. Like, for instance, like, if I made a million dollars a month, I'd find my life better right now because I could buy cars that would make me happier. It's not about materialistic. You could buy a Koenigsegg. I could buy a Koenigsegg. Cash. But, like, I would say there's obviously diminishing returns where it starts to slow down, you know, but, like, where would you say really that line is to be drawn where it goes from like, you know, way, way, way better until like, okay, sure. Like, you know, I can get these luxury items that don't really, I would say, I don't know if this is going to answer your question.

1:46:54Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I would say life gets better when you realize you can pay your lifestyle, meaning like, it depends your lifestyle. Like if your lifestyle is I want to live in a nice house and have two kids that are going to college and be able to buy a car for them, et cetera. Like that's like a lifestyle. Most people want to live. if you can make a certain amount of money, like for instance, like for me, I think if I, even how much money I have, even my lifestyle right now, if I was guaranteed like$300 ,000 a year, I could live the life that I want. Is that what I want? No, because I obviously, I want stupid like cars.

1:47:27I want a stupid house. You know what I'm saying? Like that's what everyone wants in their life. But it's like, I could probably comfortably like go on vacation with like, what would you say? Like $250 ,000,$300 ,000 a year? Like you could. Oh yeah. That's what I'm saying. Nicely. That's what saying nicely, like you could go on vacation multiple times a year. You could actually depends though. Cause we're in California, you lose half of that. So I don't know. But I mean, it's like, to me, I guess if you want to ask that question, I'm just like, I could get it back in my head. So it's like, what?

1:47:53So like, what would I be comfortable with making a month or a year? Like beyond a certain point, beyond a certain point, money stops being, you know, super, super, super enticing. Because like, if you're making, obviously the quality of your life is going to be dramatically better if you're making 60 grand per year than if you're making 10 grand a year for sure and then like you know 100 grand a year still like way better than 50 grand a year 150 is still i feel like a decent amount i feel like you're always going to chase that though that's why sure but like past a certain point like there comes a time like you know the difference between 100 grand a month and 300 grand a month isn't really going to be like the most exciting thing i feel like you think so i don't know i've never made you know well but that's what i'm saying but that's what you drive to no so that kind of answers your own question it's like i don't know how much money you make a year, but like, wouldn't you want to double that?

1:48:38Wouldn't your life change? And then if you had doubled that, wouldn't you double that again? Wouldn't your life change even more? It's like when some people are like, I wish I could make a hundred K a month. Okay. What happens when you make a hundred K a month? Are you going to wish I want to make 200 K a month? Like, I don't know if your life necessarily changes. And I don't know if this is even a good answer for your question, but it's like, I don't, I don't really know. I feel like life doesn't change. It's such a stupid answer, but like, I feel like life doesn't change depending on how much money you have.

1:49:05I truly don't. I think if I made, I mean, obviously, like if you're like very low class, yes. But I think like once you reach a threshold of like you're making like middle class, like high end middle class, it's like, which I don't know how much that is right now. I'm out of touch. Probably about 250, I believe is like the high end middle class. If you're making 250 a year, I don't think you're going to see a big difference making 500 ,000. I agree. But I think you're going to be able to enjoy life more. There we go. That's kind of what I'm getting at. I think you'll be able to like have more fun, buy more stupid.

1:49:35So in a sense that could make your life better. But if I made a million dollars a year and I make$3 million the next year, yeah, I'm going to be hype and I'm going to definitely have more life in me just truthfully.

1:49:48Graham Stephan:So you're talking a lot about manifesting another podcast that I've seen. What are you manifesting now? It's crazy. Cause going to what you said, I've manifested every small thing in my life. Yeah. No, I agree with you. I've been very much the same way like yeah i wanted to be a streamer i figured out a way i wanted to buy a car even when i wasn't making money i figured out a way i wanted to buy the upgrade of the car i figured out a way i wanted to come back i want to join face clan at 12 i'm in face clan you know i'm saying i figured out ways um i think manifestation is a real thing and i think it's one of the biggest things in the world because the world runs off like energy and i think if you put out good energy you get good energy back and i feel like if you're a good person good things happen to you and it doesn't have to be instant.

1:50:27It doesn't have to be in a year. It could be when you're almost on your deathbed. You might live another day because you're a good person. That's just how the world works in my head. What are things I'm manifesting now, though? I'm really just manifesting just more success. Honestly, like I just want to be able to stay in the entertainment business and provide content and provide even motivation like this to people who want to be in a position like me or want to exceed the position of me. Like people should want to exceed who I am if they're fans of me. Like they, I want to inspire people to do that.

1:50:56And honestly, that's like my biggest manifestation is like, I just want like good energy around me and I want to put out good, more good energy. And hopefully I could stay in this space without overworking myself. You know, like I don't want to, I basically just don't want to fall off again. Like I don't care how much money I make. I just want to be in the business. Like I just, I love it. I love the entertainment.

1:51:13Graham Stephan:You should do more of that, like more inspirational stuff. I know sometimes it could like borderline kind of cheesy, but like, I think you have a gift when you really say this, that you're just going to inspire like one person who's going to go and take that action. Well, that's the thing. If you have a hundred thousand people and you inspired a hundred of those people, it's like, realistically, out of a hundred, if you inspire a hundred thousand people, better analogy is like, if you inspire a hundred thousand people, let's be real. One of those people are going to be extremely successful. So it's like, that's the whole thing is like the mindset that I think people forget is like, if I can inspire one person that one day might exceed my limit, which they probably will.

1:51:48That's like a, that's, that's a, that's like a goal of life. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, it's a gift of life. It's like being able to inspire people. And I think people take for granted or they don't comprehend that this is like, again, what you said is cheesy, but it's like, they don't comprehend that this is one life. You know what I'm saying? So like when I die, it's like, what can I actually leave behind? If I can inspire someone or have someone be big and huge, it's like, that's a success in life to me. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know. That's all I am. So if you want to say the one thing that you think can actually inspire the most amount of people, if you're just speaking directly to them, there's going to be a lot of listeners here that are like on a long car drive.

1:52:23Maybe they're at the gym. Maybe they're just like chilling on their couch. They need to hear this one thing. What would it be? If you can't give 100 % and you can only give 10%, right? Of your energy, but you give that 10 % of your energy, you gave 100%. Think about it. You understand the quote? You understand it? Whose quote is that? My quote. Oh, no, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But serious though, if you can't give 100 % in something in life and you can only give like a 10 % and you give that 10%, you gave 100%.

1:52:51Graham Stephan:Then you're giving 100 % of what you have still. That's what I'm saying. Even if it's 10%, you're giving. But that's the problem is most people won't give an effort. That's the thing. And I think failure is the biggest way to become successful in life. I think you have to fail. I think you have to make mistakes. I think you have to lose everything to gain everything. You know, that's how I'm here. I lost everything at one point. I understood it. I appreciated it. And I realized what I had. And I made sure I don't lose it again, you know? I couldn't agree more and I also think it's important to have a good relationship with failure so like if you fail you're able to like look back on that failure and see it as like okay it's an opportunity let me use this failure as a way of learning what not to do instead of like let me just say it's like what do you do you're gonna quit yeah that's why I've always viewed it like if there's some sort of failure I try to look at that like what is this trying to teach me to improve in the future and like how is this going to make the world better it's the only way to way yeah and it really is because it's like the people who see failure and they just quit it's like okay i mean that's your aspect on life it's like you're not going to become rich you're not going to become wealthy saying seeing a failure and be like yeah you know i'm saying like these guys who are billionaires are like are they good people deep down i don't know they've failed way more than they probably failed a thousand you're gonna watch that video the jubilee video the capitalist versus uh what was it like socialist holy no but that's what i'm saying people are just like you if you seriously watch this video it's like an hour and a half it is one of the best videos that I've seen on YouTube.

1:54:19Graham Stephan:Patrick Bet David, if you're familiar with him. I've heard of that guy. He sits down and he talks about business, money, mindset. And you see the stark difference between the people on the other side, the victim mentality, the woe is me. I can't do it. My mom worked three jobs after getting divorced and my dad took all the money and she was losing money and she was still putting table food on the table. She was still figuring out ways. I'm telling you, it's a mindset. It's like these people are victimizing themselves. It's the truth. and the problem is the people who get upset about that that are watching this video they're the proof in the pudding you know i'm saying like those are the people that i'm talking about it's like they don't want to change their mindset because they want to give up on life and that's why it's so stupid to say but that's why you're always going to be like in this like matrix it says if you heard what you said and your initial thought process in response was like easy for you to say yeah or if you're thinking right now easy for you to say i think he's speaking exactly directly to you yeah because i've been in the position that's what i'm saying it's like I haven't been in a position to work a nine to five I understand it gets hard and I understand it's harder and I'll never understand that position because I've never done that I've never had a family where I'm working and I'm trying to put food on the table whatever I'm grateful for my life and it is easy for me to say in that sense but I also you can't the people who live that life they can't say it's easy for me if they've never lived my life how did I get to this point how did I you know what I'm saying like I don't know to wrap that part up it's like you you have to, you have to fail.

1:55:44You have to fail and you cannot let it affect you. As soon as you let it affect you, it's like, all right, you're not, you're gone. It's like, then it's a real failure. Yeah, you're done. You're done. It's your mindset on life. If I had the mindset when I wasn't doing as good viewership wise, it's like, well, I wouldn't have been here. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you just, I hope this video gets a 10 out of 10. No, I'm just kidding. So you guys learn. All right. So we have a tier list for you. This is a fun little thing we're going to do at the end. let us know what you thought. Let us know what you think about each streamer.

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1:56:47That's indeed.com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Need a hiring hero? This is a job for Indeed Sponsored Jobs. I'll be honest with you. I think one of these people I don't know. Okay, so first is Aiden Ross. I think Aiden Ross will never get the respect that he deserves. I think it's more or less for his controversies that he's had. I think people don't really respect him a lot of what he's done and how he's built Twitch. I would dick ride all I whatever. I think he's S tier. I think he's a genius when it comes to stuff. Do I think he's as passionate as he is now? the truth is no and aiden if you're watching i hope you become passionate you see my text all the time i've tried telling him i think he could be at a whole new level if he a whole new level if he was more passionate do i think his work ethic is good right now yeah but he's genuinely he's a smart person he's people think he's a dumbass he's a smart smart person um agent agent i would say like i don't say if i put my beats here my dick no but i think agent is at the top of bt like no but the thing is i i don't i actually i'm gonna put age at a tier only because um he streams so consistently he doesn't care about numbers and he creates actual content like he's a genius when it comes to content he's very passionate about what he does and i think he he he's always gonna find success in his own ways and he's been doing this for like eight years too he he's he's really smart he deserves everything that he's got fousey fousey bro um please don't find me in the random streets and beat me up, I'm going to have to put you at D tier.

1:58:25The only reason I wouldn't put you at F tier is because you were very successful when it came to content early on to YouTube. And then you found success in streaming and then you just went off the rail. Like he went off the rails. Like I feel like he, he didn't really, I don't know, bro. He's some, some was going on mentally. Um, yeah, sorry. He's got great clips though. Like the one where he threw the vape in the pool. Like everything he does is just viral. He's hilarious. and actually I'd put him at C tier. He's hilarious, but I couldn't put him anywhere above C tier because it's like, he's so all over the place.

1:59:00He takes breaks for months, sometimes years, and then goes on these rants, et cetera. Jack Doherty. This is going to surprise a lot of people. Jack Doherty is the cringiest kid ever. He's an annoying cringe kid, but it's also funny enough. No one will believe this. It's all an image. I don't think the kid is actually like that. He's a genius when it comes to making money. I know how he makes money. He signs these OnlyFans girls. He does real estate. He may flex. He may be cringe. He may be stupid. But at the end of the day, like this kid is doing all this for market value. Like people are talking about him.

1:59:31We know who he is because he's an annoying, cringe kid. And he's smart. So I would put him at C tier also. But I put him above Fousey because Jack probably knows how to make really good money. Hassan. I don't really watch Hassan. I know that it's obviously political. um so i can't really take notes on that because i don't watch him um but i know hassan is like should i just put a new what should i do for people i don't watch just don't just skip it okay um but he's smart i sound smart he knows he knows how to do jason um i've had faith in jason prime since i met him the day i met him i've known him when he had like 500 viewers i genuinely think he is an S tier streamer.

2:00:15And I'm not even just saying that because he's my friend. I just know he's an S tier streamer because I know he's always going to be figuring out some ways to make content and he's always going to figure out a way to be successful. And I think that's a trait that not a lot of people have is finding ways to always be successful and always make content. Oh, Johnny Somali. I'm not gonna lie. I've never watched Johnny Somali, but I'm pretty sure he's in jail right now. He is. He ruined IRL streaming to an extent. I think he tried going above and beyond and he's actually the exact thing that people think I am now.

2:00:50Like I'm an annoying IRL streamer, but I'm not. Like I know my boundaries. He didn't. He didn't know his boundaries. So what, like B tier? S tier. F. Kai Sinat, they're going to call me dick riding, but Kai Sinat is a hundred thousand percent s tier and i only think that because this man figured out ways to shift the biggest thing is why i also put aiden here also and i know the controversy is like aiden ross kai sanat bro they both they're both good in their own ways like aiden ross figured out a way to bring the culture onto twitch kai sanat figured out a way to also bring the culture on twitch and like it's it's so brilliant how kai does his people don't want to give him credit i understand it it's just how the internet is um but he's very smart and he makes great content and he figures out ways to be at the top of the level he's he's the top of the top you know what i'm saying and i also think he's going to be bigger than streaming i don't i don't i you can quote me now i guarantee you he will not be streaming probably in two years if that maybe even a year i think he's going to do way bigger things off camera whether it be youtube whether it be uh movies etc i think it's going to be another form of like how a logan paul was how it's like oh they're not he's not a youtuber no more he's a whatever i think kai's not gonna be a streamer as much and if he is gonna be a streamer i think he's gonna stream rarely i think he's gonna host like bigger events um lacy fat is there a fat one um nah lacy lacy i would also put at an a tier and not just because he's my friend i don't know if people are gonna be like oh the a tier that's too high maybe he's at the top of be, but I would say he's only A tier only because he's, he is the same way as agent.

2:02:29He streams almost every day. And he also figures out a way to make organic content, whether it be collabing with people, which is hard to do. A lot of people can't collab with people, but he also just makes, he makes content for everybody and his clips, he does a lot of stupid shit. And I think he's, I think he's brilliant. People won't give him credit, but I think he's brilliant. And it's obviously funny because I'm putting my friends at the top, but I think that because i'm around them the most so i know how they are who the fuck is i don't know it was like a entourage a what a band i don't know it's got a whole entourage um roadies ludwig i would say ludwig is also a very i would say he's highest on a only because um ludwig is mainstream but i feel like he doesn't have too much of the culture people might think i'm crazy i feel like he doesn't have too much of the culture of like where if he went to it's a stupid example and he doesn't need this by the way but like if he went to a travis scott concert i don't think anyone's gonna crowd ludwig because it's like a different audience you know what i'm saying and he doesn't need that he is brilliant he's crazy big on youtube he's he he has a whole different audience that i can i don't even have i would never have that audience and he he's at the top of a tier and but see the thing is i put jason at s tier so i don't know but the thing is i put jason at s tier because i'm day to day with him.

2:03:47And it's like, I know his plans. I don't know Ludwig's plans, but I would consider Ludwig a borderline S tier. He was the first person to break the record on Twitch for the subathon for how many subs you had. He creates new ideas every day. He's brilliant. Mizkif. I'm not really a fan of Mizkif. I think he's cool. He does content every single day too. I think even if, I don't know, I just, I don't watch his content, so I can't give too much on it but i know he's not a c tier he's not on the same level as jack doherty and fousey but uh i would put him at b only because it's like i don't watch him but what i've seen is it's like it's like more of like older twitch stuff you know i'm saying like more like stuff i don't know i just feel like there's not much advancing from that stuff if that makes sense like i don't know maybe i'm sounds stupid sure um neon i would put him at a also because he just he even though people hate him even though people think he's cringe he always figures out a way to collab with some of the biggest names and like he'll figure out ways he'll put his money where his mouth is doesn't matter if he pays clippers etc he he's successful and he's he's he's at a point so you can't hate on someone who's successful like you you can't he finds ways for everything um ninja you ninja oh that probably would have been one of my viral clips too when i should have mentioned oh yeah yeah i mean him had beef.

2:05:08I don't know if you know about that. Yeah, we did our research. It might have been the craziest.

2:05:13Graham Stephan:I saw it. Ninja, I'm not going to lie, I looked up to you for a long time and then obviously our drama happened and made me really sad, but I have to give you credit where credit is due. I would say see, like, if we're going off right now, I would have to put you at an A. I would put you at an S, but it's like, he's not doing what he should be doing right now. You know what I'm saying? I feel like he didn't advance to the level he should have with how much popularity he had, but he made Fortnite as big as it. He borderline made me, if you think about it, because he made Fortnite, which Fortnite made me.

2:05:45So I would put him at an A tier because he's still one of the GOATs, and you have to give credit. But I wouldn't put him at S because right now I'm thinking about current state of the internet. That's fair. I feel like he doesn't do as much right now. Pokimane. I don't really watch her. Do I respect her? Yes. but I don't watch her but I also don't see her stream that much and I feel like she doesn't do anything crazy and I saw she dropped a cookie bag for$40 or something like that. I don't know if y 'all saw that. But I think she's a genius and I think she's smart with how she does shit. She's a business person at the end of the day.

2:06:21I'd put her at B tier only because I don't watch her and I don't know her. That's fair. And you know it's crazy. She's probably gonna see this and somehow get mad and probably never talk to me. Speed, Speed is easily up there on S and I'd put him there not just because he's the biggest but he figured out ways where anything he does is just like it's it's brilliant and it's like he he changed how the culture is of streaming he made irl streaming like way different where like for me i would be able to go outside and go to in and out and people would love it speed he goes to like all these places with crazy planned segments and it turned irl streaming into like what it is today i feel like and i feel like a lot of people want to be like a speed when they think about it.

2:07:01I want to be an IRL streamer. I want to be a streamer. It's like a speed, you know? So I, speed is definitely the goat. Um, Tim, the tap man, uh, again, I'd put him at B only because I don't watch him. And again, he's a gamer. He's very consistent. He's been doing it for like eight, 10 years, 12 years, whatever. And he's been successful all 12 years. So actually I'd put him above. Yeah. I'd put him an A I'd put Tim, but then I have to put, yeah, I'd put Tim, the tap man a because he's just always been consistent and he's always went live no matter what uh togy togy how do you say his name togy togy see i don't really know togy i don't watch him but he's hilarious um he's a rich dude i'm gonna put him at b though only because i don't watch him but i've met him in person one time and it was like 50 seconds and he was hilarious super nice really i really respect him a lot and he's he's dope he's a really good person Vitaly he's in jail right now no?

2:07:56Yeah in Philippines or something like that Vitaly I'm gonna put you at D above Johnny Somali because you actually you bro Vitaly you hate him or not early YouTube

2:08:07Graham Stephan:he changed the game the Miami zombie he changed the game he had some of the best the gold digger pranks he was the best he was just goaded yeah etc he's a good dude though I'm sure deep down he's just up in the head I put him at D oh my god dude imagine if he had a content house with him Johnny Somali and Fousey it would be A's it would be A's that right there and Sam Hyde and Josh Block that would be the most genius content house ever they would be making so much money especially if they all did gambling the whole shit would die dude with Gideon just doing like Predator X-Mozzy videos. Bring them to the house.

2:08:56That's good. Josh Block. He's F. Only because this kid obviously has problems and they take advantage of him. Someone's got to save this kid. I don't know what to talk about about this guy because I don't watch him, but anything I've seen of him, it's something's f***ed up about him. XQC. Poor, probably. Yeah, very poor. That's what I've heard. Yeah, doesn't really have much money. He fakes everything. He viewbots too. That's what I thought. Everything that he does is just viewbotted. It's fake. It's poor. XQC though, XQC, you're to go, bro. You're up there the same level. No one will ever be able to discredit you from a Kai to a Speed to an Aiden.

2:09:38It doesn't matter if you have 10 ,000 viewers. It doesn't matter if you have 100 ,000 viewers. You are the most successful streamer in ways that people might not ever see. If you go to his Twitch tracker where it shows how many days he's live, He's almost live every single day over the past six years. And we're talking not two hours. We're talking 10 to 24 hours a day for six years. I'm so serious. He's the only person in the world. I'm pretty sure, right? He's the only person in the world who's ever done this. How, do you think that's really unhealthy? 100%. He's openly admitted it's unhealthy.

2:10:11And you obviously see the real side of him because he's live so much. That's all, his whole life is documented. And, but he's just so brilliant. and he set the foundation for Twitch and people don't even realize it. Like the people who like, I'm just being honest, bro. It's like even before an Aiden Ross and a Kai and a Speed and a me, it doesn't matter. It's like XQC was the one doing these IRL streams when they weren't popular. XQC was the one who was playing games when they weren't popular, making content that people didn't see. Like he's a genius. Do I think he's up to par with everyone now?

2:10:46No. And I'd say that to him just because it's like, he knows that though. It's like he doesn't care to keep up with how popularity is now. I think he just streams just to stream, but he's a genius. He's one of the smartest streamers ever, probably. And we might ever see. I don't know. Is that the whole list? Yeah, besides the song. Where would you put yourself? I put myself at an A. I'm not an S. I don't think I'm ever going to be an S. I don't think I'll be an S only because it's like you have to do so much different to become that level. and personally I love where I'm at I'm not comfortable but it's like I'm happy with it you know so you think Johnny Somali is ranked higher than Joshua Block yeah put Joshua Block up put him up a little bit alright we'll put him in B yeah right that's it dude seriously thank you so much for coming on the Ice Coffee Hour that was a blast really fun to talk to a streamer we want to get into talking to more streamers so hopefully this kind of opens up the gates for that

2:11:45Graham Stephan:yeah dude really like this is one of the more enjoyable ones because I feel like we could just, you know, just shoot the shit a little bit. Just do me a favor. When you cut up the clips, whoever's doing it, please don't make me look too bad. Okay. I know we can get, go get whatever you need, but we'll do our best. We'll put your info down below in the description. And yeah, really appreciate this. Big thank you to White Glove Estates. Again, their info is also down below for allowing us to use this. They are a lifesaver. So if you want to check them out, highly recommend it, especially if you're in Los Angeles.

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