How Clavicular Makes (And Spends) $500,000+ Per Month By LooksMaxxing

29:06That would be incredible. I'd be curious. It could be a Miami thing, quite honestly, or an LA thing. Vegas also probably is not the best place. But also, the other thing, was she on stream? Yeah. So I feel like that also gets like the higher she says, the more people pay attention to her, the more people talk about her. And so it benefits her to say like, oh, yeah, a million dollars a month minimum to date me. And then you get banter back and forth. It keeps her on stream longer versus if she's saying eight thousand a month, you'd be like, all right. And then move on to the next one. Yeah. But I think once again, like a lot of girls like don't really know like how much things cost.

29:47like how much it costs to live in in these big cities uh so there's just not a huge grasp on like what's going on you know because there's a lot of people that bullshit also it's like you can lease uh or finance like a corvette um which is a hundred thousand dollar car and be on car payments for eight years and a girl will think you're rich right but sometimes it's not the case would you not believe a girl if you started dating her and she said yeah i wouldn't care if you weren't making this kind of money? Like if you were making 5k a month, I'd be fine with it. Like I enjoy hanging out with you.

30:24I don't think I would because it's like, you know, maybe you're not immediately spending like all this money going on like these super expensive dates. And then the girl's like, Oh, you know, you see, I'm not with you for the money, but like, you know, then we're living in, you know, like crazy apartments going on like private jets. and that's just the environment she gets used to. So it's not the immediate what she's spending on her credit card. It's more so just the environment. But what if she wasn't used to that? What if it was just like 5K a month is all she's experienced? She says she's fine with it.

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33:53That's 50 % off your first year at Monarch.com with code IcedCoffee. What if she wasn't used to that? What if it was just like 5k a month is all she's experienced? She says she's fine with it. Would you believe that? It really just depends on how old the girl is, where she's from, because 5K a month, you're not going to really be able to live in Miami for that much. How much do you need to live in Miami? I wouldn't want to live anywhere near Miami for less than$10 ,000 a month. $10 ,000 a month? Yeah, I think that's a good answer. Because I think that rent is probably going to start around 2K to 3K, maybe in Edgewater.

34:34Good luck in Brickell. Like you're not living in Brickell, you're not living in downtown for, you know, less than five to six K, you know, even for like some of these one or two bedroom apartments. And then you have your car payment, you have groceries and, you know, God forbid you want to put away a single dollar in your savings account, then it's just not, it's not worth living here, you know? And I see a lot of people who have this online income, they start making a little bit of money and they move to Miami. It's like, why? You don't need to be here. There's no reason for that whatsoever. You might as well live somewhere with a super low cost of living and put some money away.

35:13At what point are people chasing improvements that no one will realistically notice? well it certainly gets there like within a few years of looks maxing because if you look at it like a pie chart right you're going to get about 70 percent of what's able to be accomplished from your body fat percentage from lean maxing and maybe throw another 20 towards um like your coloring you know that's going to be like how tan you are your contrast you're dying your hair whatever and then maybe a little bit is going to be your physique um and then your skin quality and once you like achieve these things it really becomes more about maintaining than like finding the next uh endeavor so you would say if you were to give broad advice to the average person watching this right now which most people are probably not going to be of the looks maxing community it's just guys between the ages of 18 and 35 the most broad advice that you would give would just say get lean.

36:0910 to 12 % body fat. Yep. And creating contrast is a key thing as well. That's what I'm talking about. You're coloring. So you think it would be beneficial for me to probably dye my eyebrows? No, I think your eyebrows are quite dark, but I think you would have a lot more contrast to your face, you know, with your blue eyes. If you're more tan, that's also going to create more contrast with your sclera, which is the whites of your eyes. I see. I would be worried. I actually started taking eye drops because I did notice that I I look a little weird when my eyes are all red. I think it looks better to have like clear white eyes.

36:40It's a health indicator. Yeah. But the only thing is that I'm so worried about getting my face tan because I have one sunspot and I just don't want more to appear. Yeah. I mean, say melanotan is probably. No, melanotan would probably exacerbate that. So there's different laser treatments or things of that nature to try to remove those. It looks like you have, you know, post inflammatory marks. um so where like hyperpigmentation oh yeah this is melasma okay oh all right that's yeah that's gonna be a little bit more difficult to treat um so you notice when you get super tan that exacerbates like it yes and i take hydroquinone to like remove it okay yeah um how long has that been there it's gotten worse over the i mean not worse it's kind of stayed the same but maybe three or four years at this point um yeah then that's certainly something to consider i mean you could always throw like an SPF that's super high and make sure it has like PA++++ in that region, you know, because, you know, it would almost blend in if the rest of your face was more tan.

37:44So that's something to consider. I really like trying to be as striking as possible. And, you know, that contrast with the tan between your sclera and your teeth, it's really important. What causes that? Is that just being in the sun without sunscreen? yeah and it's the thinning of your skin as well because you have it kind of on like the subdermal or whatever it is like the the skin underneath and then as you get older you typically lose facial fat and then as it gets closer it just tends to push out more and the sun will also exacerbate the coloring it's not exactly losing facial fat what starts to occur is you lose elastin which keeps everything in place and gravity takes course and it migrates down so that's why you notice the fat starts to accumulate on these folds, the nasolabial folds, and you start to get jowls a little later into life.

38:32That's just gravity and elastin loss. So you know what's funny? I was in, you'd probably appreciate this. I was in Korea. This is the first time I've mentioned this on the podcast in March. And I knew that they were popular for skincare. And so I thought, I'm going to book myself a skincare appointment. You know, maybe they can laser this thing off. I had no idea what I was getting into. Showed up to the appointment and I was with my friend. My friend's like 10 years older than me, 15. And he was like going through everything. They were like, you need this, this, this, this. What do you want? And he said, everything.

39:02And then they turned to me and she said, what do you want? This, this, this. And I was like, I mean, if he's getting everything, I guess I'll get everything too. And then I go to the Apple pay and it was in the foreign currency. And so I didn't really know. Tap the Apple pay $3 ,500. Okay. And they ended up, I was in there for, they kept it open past closing for about eight hours, the entire procedure, everything. And they were lasering everything on my face. They did several different ones. One was actually to move the muscles up, like you said, to prevent jowls. And then they also did another one that was like burning off small wrinkles on your face.

39:38It was a laser treatment, I believe. It was a laser treatment. I did that as well. I got collagen injected and Botox injected. And then one other thing injected as well. I don't really remember. You did Botox? Okay. Yeah, but I also, one of them felt like they were like pulling with strings. Oh, that's called PDO threads. Yeah. I don't know if I got the strings though. It just felt like they were. It was like they were putting the needle and then moving it around. Yeah, that'd be PDO. And like I literally almost quit probably a dozen times within the session because it was so uncomfortable. And I also was so frustrated that I didn't know what I was signing.

40:09Like honest to God, I had no idea what I was signing up for. Jack sent me a photo and he had the numbing cream on for a full hour. I had blood like on my face because they injected so many different things. I saw on the next day. Also, microneedling, they did that. Yeah. There's a lot of things that are cope in like the whole med spa world, but microneedling is great. Really good for your collagen, hair growth. You know, there's certain types of lasers that are a little less effective, but usually the more invasive ones that have a longer recovery time, like they do work like ablative CO2 laser.

40:42Like, yeah, you're going to have to stay out of the sun and stay inside probably about three, four weeks. but the results are going to be like tremendous compared to like the fractal CO2 laser that you heal in a week. It's results aren't as pronounced, you know. How much time do you typically spend researching all this stuff? Because you're understanding of pharmacology, how different things interact with, you know, foreign substances with your body. It's really impressive, especially just like being 20 years old, not to slight the age or anything, but I'm curious, how do you do all of this research and how much time do you spend well it's you know years of accumulation right so in high school i wasn't really a social guy i was kind of just on my computer all day like reading about this stuff and you know even to this day say i'm probably spending like an hour just looking into new things reading uh new literature that comes out what do you when you say literature are you actually looking at like studies and stuff or is it like reddit and twitter Yeah, mostly literature because Reddit is just like anecdotes.

41:42And I think that's important, certainly, to research people's experience with different things because it's important. But it's more so about understanding the safety of things, control groups, and the actual mechanism, how the drug works. you need to understand these things really really proficiently before you start looking into what other people on reddit are doing so if someone wanted to try glp1s or peptides or any of the things that you've mentioned like the hard maxing stuff how much how many hours of research before they do it should they realistically put in i think you could get a pretty sufficient understanding of how GLP-1s work in a few hours.

42:27It's not the most complex thing in the world. And even further than that, you're gonna be relying on medical experts, right? You should be going to your doctor about this kind of stuff. RETA is not an FDA-approved treatment yet, but it will be, right? And so for now, you're gonna get prescribed probably Manjaro, Terzepetide. So you're doing your research, you're understanding how it works, you're understanding how to reconstitute the peptide, and then you're having a doctor with years and years of medical training to oversee it, you know. And I'm pretty confident in talking about these peptides and recommending them because, you know, it's very, very difficult to pick up on peptides, right?

43:12Even if you injected the entire vial of radisertide or something like that, you know, it's not like that's the lethal dose, you know, nothing really would happen. What looks-maxing advice that's out there right now is actually harmful? I've seen a lot of different stuff about people installing dental appliances, like screwing in an MSC themselves. I've seen people self-performing gyno removal surgery, literally cutting open their glandular tissue and removing it. What? You've seen this? I've never seen videos, but I know what gyno is. Oh my God. I've seen one where people cut their medial canthus with a knife.

43:59That's like really bad. So it's mostly people performing these surgeries. That are supposed to be done by professionals. Or really what it is, is just making decisions without consulting professionals. Correct. Yeah. So most of what I talk about, I always say this has to be done under the supervision of a doctor because people aren't going to understand how to use something like an HGH you know earlier into their life and they're just not going to give a fuck to do their research they're just going to randomly pin it and if they don't understand about like their blood glucose levels they're going to eat a bunch of carbs and then take hgh and then you know they're going to be pre-diabetic pretty soon right so whereas a doctor would come in and make sure to clarify that and make sure they understand fully how to use these things and then you know maybe they could get some some results or same thing with testosterone if someone just starts a randomly pinning test without realizing that it's going to convert to DHT and give them a severe hair loss, then, you know, they're going to be screwed, right?

44:59And they're actually going to look men in a lot of cases. Do you think someone could become less attractive simply because they're trying too hard? Yeah, most definitely. Yeah. And where do you draw that line? A lot of it comes from like fitness advice, right? Like people will say caloric surplus, 500 milligrams of testosterone that's going to make you fat and acne ridden and bald, right? If that's where it ends, right? But maybe just a TRT so that you're more energetic throughout the day. So your face masculinizes a little bit in your body, like sort of recomp's. That's a lot more of a Lux Max than the traditional bodybuilder, blast the f*** at a roids, eat 12 meals a day type advice.

45:45What about the act of trying too hard? Like the fact that you care so much about it makes you less attractive only because you can. Even if your decisions and mentality are not born out of insecurity, that's how a lot of people will perceive it. And I think they see insecurity as an unattractive thing. Yeah, no, absolutely. But I think, you know, you have to just realize that you can make observations about the world, even if you're being fully objective and your reasoning was different research they did on dating and how the top 20 % of profiles get all the attention. And if you looked at research about the interview process and how less qualified applicants who are better looking are getting these jobs, and then you decided, hey, I'm the looks max, this makes sense.

46:34That's not insecurity. The average person's not going to be capable of being an entrepreneur and having some insane AI or tech startup that's successful. Then wouldn't you think that people that are able to do that are already... They're outliers. They're genetic outliers with typically above average IQ. Do you think people should aspire to do that? It's genetic, you know? That's why all the advice about don't go to college, college is... it's like yeah maybe you were able to transcend the requirements of having a college degree because you're super creative super innovative and extremely smart but the average person is not the average person's pretty fucking what do you think your iq is i wouldn't you know get into that have you taken tests and stuff yeah but it's unless it's said it in in person certified testing center.

47:35It doesn't matter because, uh, people will spam these tests, uh, which improves their score and they'll just take them until they're happy. Um, you know, so it really is. You wouldn't speculate? No, no. So I asked chat GBT, I said, Hey, based on our conversations, what's my IQ? Wouldn't give it. You have to prompt it multiple times, but the fifth time it says, okay, your IQ is what was it? 128. I thought it was 130 something. It was 128. It was 128. I'm like, I think that's inaccurate. I think that 128 is like the perfect IQ to tell someone that they are. I think it's like, it is not so high to the point where you're a genius.

48:15It's not low to the point of being discouraged of like. It placates you a little bit. Yeah. It placates you and kind of keeps you on. It makes it believable. When it takes over, it humbles you. That's a few standard deviations above the average. So that, no, that's certainly. So what's interesting. Outlier tier. I had Jack ask the same things. Yeah. I wouldn't tell. I wouldn't tell. And then finally. 128. So we've both got the exact same number, which let's be honest, guys. It's not. I think we tried this with someone else who also got a 128. Yeah, it was Justin Atlin and he also got 128. That was it.

48:46So the three out of three, 128. Everyone ask Chagibiti and don't say anything that would inflate it and then comment whatever it tells you your IQ is down below. I'm very curious. And you just had to say, estimate an IQ, do your best. Be honest. Be honest. Just give me a number. Do it. You have to keep prompting it. to give you a number. It's just so funny about like the whole IQ testing stuff is like, you never meet anyone whose IQ is, according to them, less than 110, it seems like. So that's why it's kind of true. Well, also, have you ever, you know, I've never met someone. But maybe those aren't the people that we're hanging out.

49:21Those are, those are also not the people that are intellectually curious. And so like, if you are under a hundred in intelligence isn't something that you're really considering on a daily basis. Whereas if you are smarter, or you like observe it and you notice it more that it makes you curious about it. But yeah, that's true. I've never heard anyone ever say like, yeah, I'm like 93. Yeah, no, exactly. So I always just, I get asked that question a fair bit and I'll always just refuse it because I think it's just a silly, you know, game that people play with themselves. But you would agree that IQ is very important.

49:55Extremely, yeah. And do you know of any ways to IQ max? Yeah, like you could create more brain synapses with something like dihexa or cerebrolysin. So just, you know, any form of neurogenesis. Yeah. And there's different nootropics that are going to, you know, improve just like how long you could, you know, how long your attention span is and your productivity. So there is things that you can do to like IQ max, but it's a little bit nuanced what's more attractive to a woman more knowledge or more intelligence uh more intelligence is more attractive than knowledge really i think knowledge is because knowledge to me just seems practical intelligence maybe i'm just misinterpreting is is more like what you know about the world but knowledge is like to me just seems like you could apply it like i have knowledge about this thing and this thing and this thing and i can apply it today knowledge is like understanding of things so like it'd be vice versa yeah i would say it was probably vice versa like knowledge is like like i can recite every state and their capitals and then intelligence is like how well you pattern recognize and like the decision making engine behind things it's not necessarily like you could be incredibly intelligent as a five-year-old it's hard to be very knowledgeable as a five-year-old yeah right and um like maybe you could tell like cool cool stories uh about ancient greece to a girl on a date but at the end of the day you're they like that yeah they um well whatever just you know talk about current events um but you know eventually it gets to the point where if your decision making and your understanding of uh you know just the world is is severely damaged then um you know all these cool stories and little facts that you know don't really mean anything.

51:50Are there any cosmetic surgeries out there that you believe are just overrated? PDO threads are pretty cope. I've experimented with them and they're not so great. I would say filler is probably the worst one. Filler is actually terrible. So filler is actually going to cosmetically descend people in a lot of cases because it's meant to replicate soft tissue. It's not meant to replicate bone. So if you're just injecting absurd amounts of filler into your jaw and your cheekbones to make them appear more prominent, it doesn't work. It's just going to migrate and not have the aesthetic result that you want after about two weeks.

52:29Have you ever put filler in? Never. Never will. Never would. What about your nose job? That was something I saw, and I'm seeing it now. I don't notice much of a difference. Yep. That's the point. It was, uh, intended to be, um, a super, super non-invasive thing. I didn't have any modification of the bone, uh, up here. It was just an aileroplasty. So really just about reducing the width of my nostrils by a couple of millimeters. So when I was seeing clips of you after the nose job, I think that they were being edited because you looked like sad and it looked like botched. And I was like, Oh man, like this, you know that's what happened but then i was surprised because i remember when we met how meticulous and calculated you seem to be about things i'm like there's no way that he like would go in and bought like if anyone's gonna botch surgery i feel like it wouldn't be right you'd have too much writing on it and you'd plan too much and it looked botched but yeah in person i was very surprised how actually it looks very similar to how you were yeah no i wasn't trying to have a completely you know different face uh it was meant to just fix a small phalo of mine, which was my, um, you know, mouth to nose ratio.

53:39Uh, my nose was a little bit too wide with the relative to how wide my mouth was and I improved it. Right. So of course the day, you know, the week after you get a rhinoplasty, you're going to be swollen and it's not going to look as complete. Uh, and it takes about a year by the way, for the swelling to fully go down and for the final result. So right now it's been about five weeks. So it'll only look better and better. Do you have any more surgeries coming up? Now, one of the frustrating things about a regular debit card is that it's completely passive. You swipe, money leaves your account, and that's the whole relationship.

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55:44brand. Visit cash.app slash legal slash podcast for full disclosures. Do you have any more surgeries coming up? Uh, no. Not, I mean, not really. Why is that? Well, I spammed, like I did like a lot of stuff at once. That's probably why I also looked like really weird is I got wisdom teeth removal right after that. So my face was all like puffy and bloated and my nose had a cast and I had surgery on my ears. So they were all black and blue. So people were like, wow, this guy looks all up. But I just needed to recover. Are you going to get braces? Yeah, I have Invisalign. Currently? In my pocket.

56:22I just take it out for interviews. What would you say men look for in women? I would say that men look for women who are modest and who sort of are a good reflection on them, right? If your girl is just like, you know, going and being obnoxious, poor mannered when you're out to dinner, for example, that's like also a reflection on you, even if you're the most respectful person in the world. So your girlfriend is an extension of you and vice versa. If Henry Cavill is like the number one most attractive man or - Yeah, people talk about Matt Bomer versus Henry Cavill. One of the two. I mean, most people would isolate it to both of them.

57:12I'm curious, who is the most traditionally attractive woman? It's funny because like female models get paid so much more than male models do. And yet, you know, a lot more of the discussion just amongst the Luxmaxing community and all these forums would be more male oriented. not necessarily because it's like anything to do with you know it being gay or whatever just people were talking about men's aesthetics and it's a men's aesthetics uh community at the end of the day um women could looks max just as men can but uh looks maxing was kind of created as like more male centered space um but i would say that there's a couple of the earlier 2000s victoria secret models could be Tom Brady's ex-wife could be one of the highest scoring in terms of facial harmony.

58:07But, you know, maybe some people have a preference for like a different phenotype than hers, but I would say she's probably up there. So that's interesting. You just mentioned some people have a preference for a different phenotype, but the whole idea of looks maxing is it's not about preference for phenotype. It's just objective science-based. Correct. Yeah. But there's attraction yeah so maybe you weigh coloring out a little bit heavier i think that's where uh being subjective kind of comes into it um you know so like preferring like adriana lima for example has worse facial ratios but uh she's more striking right and she's got like these super piercing blue eyes really tan skin uh and brown hair versus giselle has like you know more pale skin uh and blonde hair so it's just not as much of a like immediate contrast like striking look so um but both are very close in terms of harmony percentages i would be interested to see you know how people get the outline of like a perfect face and then they match up a man's and move it around and see who's close to it what a woman's face would look like and how geometrically speaking an attractive woman should be from an attractive man because you know you talk about the one-to-one ratio or you talk about the strikingness you talk about you know having like a sharp jawline if you applied the same but if you applied the same things from a man to a woman like you it's not even close you would have like a relatively masculine looking woman yeah so women are according to the golden ratio is supposed to have a bit shorter of a face so the midface would be closer to like you know a 1.1 rather than males being one and then you know they would also have a bit softer of a jaw softer of a chin, and not as much height to it.

59:56So these are some of the differences. Does social media distort what men find attractive? Yeah, just from pornography, I would say. You don't think by any other way? I mean, maybe editing. So one thing that I noticed, and I don't want to get in any trouble by mentioning this, I think that Elisa Liu is actually very, I think she's very pretty. However, I would argue she probably does not fit your scientific definition of what like objective beauty is to a T. Like, you know, let's just say the average consensus is going to say she's like a 10 out of 10, but then you probably would argue, well, based on science, she would be, you know, a seven or a six and a half or something like that.

1:00:39But there's no doubt that the amount of attention that she got after her performance at the Olympics, I have never seen the amount of edits. I didn't even watch her performance, but my For You page, every fifth reel, I feel like I was seeing her dancing or her at some Academy Award or whatever it was. And I would check the comments because I have to pay attention to these things for social media. Of course, you have to click it. And the amount of attention that she was getting, the amount of edits that I would see about guys, like fangirling over her or whatever, like admiring her, saying she's like the most perfect, beautiful woman or whatever.

1:01:12I have never seen anything like it, but yet she doesn't quite fit. And so I'm curious how social media can distort something like that, or if there are other things outside of beauty that make a man attracted to a woman they don't even know. I think that's just always going to be a new phenomenon, like that you have a girl who just comes up. And like you said, maybe not the most perfect in terms of her facial harmony, but you know maybe she just has like a girl next door kind of vibe to her you know it's not maybe typical that athletes are you know model looking and extremely attractive so when you see one that is it's like it's kind of a shock i would estimate uh but regardless people rating her 10 out of 10 uh they're not saying oh wow she's completely perfect according to science it's more so in my opinion them saying um my life would be perfect if i had this girl um how much is it though that men just want what other men want.

1:02:13I wouldn't say it's that important. I would say that's more of a female characteristic. Really? I do think there is a bit of a herd mentality. So that's called pre-selection, right? Correct. That's more applicable to women. It seems like men would be just as susceptible that if all these guys are like, yo, we like her and everyone's competing. I think that makes that person more attractive, just like it would be like a car or a house or a watch or some other thing that everyone collectively wants. It just makes it more desirable. Well, if everyone is, you know, I think a girl's hot and she's dated a lot of like top celebrities, I think in a lot of cases that would probably be something that'd be not so positive.

1:02:57Whereas like the pre-selection of women being intrigued, if they see a hot girl walking with a guy like, what does this guy have going on for him? So that's a lot more of a feminine thing, certainly. I do want to mention, you said that when people say that she is a 10 out of 10, then they really mean that they think their life would be perfect if they were with her. Yeah. But wouldn't that be more important than just looks? And so then you have to break, would you agree with that or no? It's more so just like, because like two thirds of males, 18 or 21, have an ex in six months. So that's just like a loneliness thing.

1:03:39But if you were to say what's more important, like a person's scientific matching of 10 out of 10 beauty or what the general public would think that would improve their life to the point of being perfect if they were to be with someone, which one would you say is more important? the objective looks because a lot of people are just rating these girls super highly out of desperation. Like, you know what I mean? If you could actually sit down and analyze the face and not just like, oh my God, like my life would be perfect. I'd be so happy to be with this girl. The answer starts to change a lot. But that could also be different if you know the person, right?

1:04:20And if you get to know them and then you see them, oh wow, my life would be perfect if I am with this person. I think that that is all that is just a desperation thing because most guys can't get girlfriends, you know? I mean, I agree that a lot of guys are having trouble getting girlfriends. I'm just trying to understand this because I do think that now from recalling back to like the people that I've liked in my life, like I knew that they weren't perfectly physically looking or like even the most attractive person at the school. I just figured, wow, I really like their personality. I think that that was what a lot of people.

1:04:48No. Yeah. Yeah. And that's also a thing that certainly plays into it. Uh, could be like the parasocial relationship, whatever. But that would be a ridiculous claim to say that dating is only superficial and shallow towards looks and personality means nothing. Of course, a girl is going to be more attractive to you and you're going to like her a lot more if her personality is what you're looking for. If she's gotten certain traits that you admire, maybe she's the same religion as you whatever so maybe people could resonate in that sense so they're applying these different positives uh within her looks rating i think could be the problem is it's everything is being a bit distorted on like what trait is actually influencing the person to rate them this high so you're saying that someone could see a woman is like a seven but then just be distorted because all these other qualities make her a 10 right what i think is like how do you make yourself as dateable as possible.

1:05:49But then I would probably, you and I would agree on the common thread of like, well, what would be a big component of being dateable? It would probably be physical attraction. What I would say is being as well-rounded as possible. So any metric really that you can think of, whether it be status, whether it be your career, your income, your looks, um you know you know your knowledge even so really everything so just every single stat that you can possibly max do it that's how you become dateable so you have a girlfriend now how did you pick her as a girlfriend kind of just met her one night and then um she moved in like a few days later.

1:06:31A few days? How'd you meet her? At the club. And I brought her and her friend back to them. Both of them? Yeah. At the same time? Yeah, and I liked her better. How did that go with the friend? When did you make the decision? Like immediately. The friend had like a weird smell to her. Did you tell the friend that she smelled? Yeah. And what'd she say? Just, sorry. What was the smell? I know Jack has questions. What was the smell? Was it like a BO smell or was it just? Yeah, just like a BO, like post club, you know, like it's understandable. I don't really have a problem with it. But like, I'm sure my, you know, balls have smelled like 10 times worse, you know, so.

1:07:26But that was enough for you that the one is like not, but the other one didn't smell. So that was the differentiating factor. Well, that just like allowed me to like further the communications, you know, to her. But it's just like, it's a stupid story. But yeah, I mean, I think I've had a girlfriend throughout the entirety of my career. We were still not quite through with this. So you brought them both back. How is their relationship now? Is it fractured? No. They're chilling. Makes girls better friends. That's why I always ask two girls. I'm like, are you guys friends? They're like, yeah. I'm like, do you want to be really good friends?

1:08:03That is an insane life. How often does that work? I'd say probably like, I don't know, maybe a dozen times. What's the ratio though? Like how many times have you asked that and it doesn't work versus it works? 50 50 probably so you've asked about two dozen times yeah that is i mean that is like insane batting average well usually like you have to kind of know like like you're not just shooting it at every girl it's not the steph curry from the moon shot you can tell like a little bit if a girl's in her friend or like with it but is this happening on stream like obviously not like coming back here but like when you're approaching and asking these questions is that on stream um how much does it help you to have a camera it actually hurts me quite a bit because girls want to like get a clip off and like get famous from like rejecting clav and it's like i know the chick's going like you know if the camera's not here so i've done like streams where um you know i had like a hidden cam like from across the street and i'm like cold approaching or just standing there and like girls are a lot more receptive um when there's no camera and so the The morning after you just kicked out a friend and said, hey, sorry, not interested.

1:09:19The 10 minutes after. 10 minutes after. Yeah. And she didn't feel any regret or upset about it or she was pretty chilling? Yeah, I mean. Do you still see her around? Nah, nah, she has a boyfriend and was cheating. No. I didn't know. I always will kick out the girl like i find out they're cheating you know like i'm not i'm not always uh down for that but it usually just happens that like i'll find out after wait a second i saw a clip no she got what she's still with him yeah she got the dude's name tatted um i was like an apology no see that's miami dude holy that is miami and that's why i can't live here that's just that is insane now i remember seeing one clip of you man you were at the bar and you're talking to this girl and And the guy came up to you and he was begging you not to get her number?

1:10:17Yeah, bro. Is this real? Yeah, that's real life. That was in New York. And it's like, if you have to beg your girl, go up to other guys, be like, stop talking to my girl. It's like, bro, that's not your girl. She's going. Oh, that would break my heart. Wow. I don't think that would be recoverable. I don't think I could ever look at her the same. dude i mean if if your girl is like openly doing that yeah like entertaining other conversations even if like i were to be like yeah like all right no problem man you know like why that that relationship is cooked even if you said that's cooked yeah so it's almost like anytime like that happens like some dudes will get mad and like crash out on like their girl or the dude but it's almost just like well i would see it as if that happened to me i'd be like yo thank god like i found this out sooner or later.

1:11:07Yeah, the sooner the better you find out about that. Yeah, for real. You know? Wow. There's no point to get mad about it. She'd be like, alright, like, you know, that's the way of the world. Do you know what happened between them? Nah. I still can't get over the... Pride's still together, bro. The girl getting that tattoo to, like, as an apology. Why do you think he didn't leave her? And does he know it was you, specifically? Yeah. I mean, it's on a fucking livestream. But the thing is, like, people would rather like put up with this than not have a girlfriend and be lonely. So that's kind of like how it goes.

1:11:43And the thing that really like helps you in a relationship is if a girl knows like that you have access to other women and like there's other options out there for you because she's not going to like, you know, try to walk all over you and be entertaining other guys because then you're just going to break up with her, right? And then go on to the next girl. If it was on live stream though, wouldn't she know that this is going to get back to her boyfriend? She probably knew he would fucking like, you know, take her. That's probably why she did it. Do you think she could cheat on him again and then they could stay together?

1:12:16For sure, dude. Yeah, girls. What's your advice to this guy? You got to just like realize that you're better off being single than being in a situation where your heart is constantly broken and a girl is just completely like all over you. Do you think that relationships are only ever cat and mouses? And you would always advocate, hey, the guy has to be the mouse running away. And, you know, you always have the cat chasing it. So, like, you have to have your options open. And then women are probably saying, like, in their whatever they use to communicate, like, men on Reddit, women on whatever it is.

1:12:53And they are probably saying, yeah, you have to be the mouse. You got to, you know, keep your guy, you know, in check. Never show too much excitement. Yeah, man. I just hate like getting into the whole like dating dynamics thing because it's just like the red pill and like a lot of the talking points will be said by the same people who are just like all like fuck whores like all this you know a lot of misogynistic talking points and just like all over women even though some of it is true you know about just like framing the relationship. Where do you draw the line between objectivity and misogyny?

1:13:32If there's a statistic out there, something about the amount of sexual partners either gender will have on average, like in your citing these statistics, like I don't think that really makes you misogynistic. I think that just like makes you going over, you know, the state of the dating market. But if you're going out and you're only like spreading these facts about like how women are acting and, you know, with no calling of attention towards like the fact that maybe this generation of men isn't the greatest either. A lot of them are financially dispositioned. So it kind of makes sense for women to only want to go for like the top profiles.

1:14:15Like, I think you just kind of need to realize what's wrong with both sides. What do you think of Myron Gaines? I've been on Myron's show a lot, you know, and I've watched a lot of his streams. I think that, you know a lot of of what he says um is true you know and i've been on his his late night show the after hours with a lot of girls and he'll talk about a lot of things that are really relevant to dating today do you think that he's a misogynist i think misogyny like in in my definition would be like a hatred for women like an incel or something yeah i don't think myron hates women i think he realizes that there's a difference between um genders and that gender roles are important right i think he he says that our men are the leaders in the relationship and uh women are there and more of like an emotional supportive role i think that's it's a fair take to give so how long have you and your girlfriend been dating since april and are you guys monogamous you know i'd be lying if i said i haven't gotten with another girl you know you are you you're open with her with that right yeah so she knows yeah what does she think of that i mean like at the end of the day there's a difference between like sex and love right uh i think uh women can kind of understand to a degree that um men could just like have so the random girl and it's just a release it's just like physical stimulation and there's nothing more to it than that um So I think that there's a bit of an understanding.

1:15:53Do you think having the door open and always having options and women available decreases the intensity at which you can love your girlfriend? It's possible, but like, you know, it's not something that I like doing or like intend on. It's just sometimes like I go to the club, I get drunk and like it happens. But that's not like something I want to be doing. You know, I don't want to be doing like this whole degenerate, like, you know, drinking and going out all the time. So that's just me being like immature. But it's not something I see last thing. So that's more like a lack of restraint or willpower to me being an idiot, like adjusting to fame, you know.

1:16:34And did that cause hiccups in the relationship that you were doing that? Or did she kind of assume that that was probably going to happen? Probably assumed it just based on the circumstances of, you know, the introduction. Would you get a tattoo of her name to apologize to her? I'd never get a tattoo. How would you feel if she asked if she should get a tattoo of your name? I'm very against tattoos. But she has tattoos, I saw. Yeah, that doesn't mean I like it. Would you pay to remove her tattoos? I don't know. Probably not. But it's just not something that I prefer. Do you still approach women?

1:17:08Yeah. And what is the goal of these approaches? Like seeing if I still got it. How many women do you think you've approached in your life? Oh, probably 10 ,000. 10 ,000 women? I've approached like in a single night, like probably 200 girls before. And did you notice like the 150th was better than the 20th? Yeah, that's usually how it goes. There's not like a diminishing return because I get tired of talking after some time. it's more like club like approaches like yes a couple words uh and either yes or no but um yes or no to what whatever like you know i'm gotta go get a drink or something like that something like that i'm pretty straight straight up with it but um straight up with what with what i'm saying i'm like you know oh like do you want to like get to know each other better yeah something like that but um something i want to know what the opener is something like that well what is it Jeb wants to know the line.

1:18:09Do you want to come back to my place? Okay, so basically you ask that off-rent. Yeah, usually. And so you failed 199 times before the 200th. Did you end in a success that night? That was in college. I get a lot of girls who say yes, but then I'm doing a bunch of shit, and I don't want to end my stream right then and there. If every single time a girl said yes to that, I'll go home and sleep with you right now, um my stream might end after 45 minutes i'd get the result that i'm looking for but what you said you did this in college doesn't need to end there you'd be a different website so you did this in college that without the stream yeah i just used to spam cold approach okay so now that you've cold approached probably 10 000 women yeah i've gotten rejected more times than what is the worst rejection you've ever experienced i mean like you only get really bad rejections if like you don't understand body language or if like some dudes are are pretty weird like they'll get rejected by a girl and like it's an obvious like iod indication of disinterest and they'll still like continue the conversation so what's an obvious iod just like a really unreceptive like posture um like turning away from you like that non-obvious iod just saying like uh do you want to go home with me and like the girl says, oh, I'm with my friends.

1:19:36It's like, if a girl really wanted to go home with you, they would find a way to get around that. Right. So that's her saying, like, you know, an excuse to not let you down too hard. But some dudes will like not understand that and they'll be like, oh, well, like, you know, they could do this and try to like come up with like a logistical solution. It's like, no, the girl just isn't into it. So I'm very good at like picking up right off the bat like if a girl doesn't want to talk to me i know right away and i'll just off and i think it's perfectly fine to cold approach like all the time as long as you're super respectful about like okay this does this person is not interested whatsoever disengage what can someone do when approaching to maximize their chances of success and what are the most common failures of the cold approach i would say the most common failures is like not having an ioi first like just going up to girls who don't even like like know you're you're there and then what's ioi an indication of interest like maybe they give you a smile and are giving you eye contact and then you go up to them the chance of success is going to be like a lot better than if you just like approach a girl who's like on her phone and doesn't even know like that you're there you know because maybe it'll work but um you know there's there's no guarantee but regardless like i'm i'm pretty bad like you know with my game and like cold approaching like that whole thing like i just think it's like kind of funny and i'm like fine like sort of embarrassing myself and like getting rejected like i don't have a problem with that i'm not claiming to be some like pickup master because i actually think i'm like quite you haven't improved with 10 ,000 reps?

1:21:18Oh, no, certainly. But it's more so I've improved like at looks maxing and being famous. So it's like kind of hard to attribute it to like, you know, my conversational abilities when now I'm like huge on social media. What do you think you could improve on in the cold approach? You still think you need a gesture max more? No, no, gesture max less. I think just like finding more like interesting things in terms of the dialogue. Like I don't really have like a lot of dialogue options it's like interesting things to talk about i don't know just like that i guess would be good would you date a girl who makes more money than you find me one um probably yeah i mean i guess i don't really have too much of a problem with that but just not like something that's likely would you rather date let's say all else considered equal, date a woman that makes more than you or date a woman that makes 50K a year?

1:22:19It's more so just about the fact that like, you know, you don't want your girl's attention to be anywhere else than the relationship, in my opinion. And like, you know, potentially if you have a family in the future, like you don't want a girl who's, you know, super dedicated to like a career, like a startup when, you know, you have, you have two newborn kids, you know, that's how I see it. Are you better or worse looking than your girlfriend? I wouldn't answer that. That's your favorite question though. Or it's one of them. You've asked several people that question. Yeah, I always ask, no, I usually ask like girls who are friends.

1:23:00But you're not willing to answer. I think I know in my head, I think my girlfriend's very pretty. However? That's all I'm going to say. Comma, but?

1:23:19She just hasn't put in the work. No, no, no. I think I would be perfectly fine and happy if I had a girlfriend who's better looking. And so that wouldn't be a problem to me. So like whatever people think, I don't really care, you know, but it's hard to be objective when there's like all the other things like, you know, you being attracted to like someone's personality. It sounds like you would care what she thinks, though, if you said that you're better looking. No, no, that doesn't influence. So why would you not? Like, what's your internal dialogue telling you? even if the answer is not out of ego and it's like purely purely objective and you're like okay like her and you know you mapped out every single point of every person's face and then you said that you think either your girlfriend or yourself is more attractive that you just look like an quite frankly even so it's a trap when you ask the question yeah of course it's a trap yeah Okay, that's fair.

1:24:23Just to see if like someone will be like honest and brutal or if someone will be like... So what's the best way to handle it? Graham, are you better... Watch this. I'll give you an opportunity. Graham, are you better or worse looking than your wife? Hey, by the way, really quick. If you want extra content just like this, as well as early access and a bonus post show posted every single week, feel free to join as a channel member to get immediate access to all of that, as well as early access to everything else that we post, along with priority responses to all of your comments. So if that sounds cool, feel free to join.

1:24:55Would love to have you on board. Thanks so much. We'll get back to the podcast now. Graham, are you better... Watch this. I'll give you an opportunity. Graham, are you better or worse looking than your wife? Worse. I think she's better looking. However? However? It sounded like there was a however. I think she's better looking. I think that's the truth. I think it's pretty clear. But I think that's a win. You look like Tom Cruise. I think it's a compliment. If you can get someone who's better looking than you, I think that's a compliment. Because then genetically, I've just basically maxed out your offspring.

1:25:28If they're better looking. So I think that I just did a service for the rest of humanity right there. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. I think my girlfriend's really attractive. So it doesn't matter regardless. What do you like about her? I don't really get into too much about her relationship. but like just having her in my presence while I'm like working is nice you know women feel like a very important role and like their energy that they bring around so it's important what about the energy specifically I just you just feel better you know like whenever I'm like doing work on my computer and my girlfriend's like sitting on the couch behind me I don't know how to explain it did you feel lonely without having a girlfriend it's a different feels a different role because I've always had like, you know, my friends and like people around, but like a girlfriend is like a different type of connection, you know?

1:26:26So maybe, yeah. I saw the one clip recently where you told her she was spending more than$1 ,500 a week. I think it was like an$1 ,800 on a camera. Does she have a budget on like how much to spend a week or is it like a rough estimate? Like how does that work? You know, obviously if you say to a girl, like, I don't want you to have a job and like I want you to focus on the relationship, then it's your obligation to take care of them and support them. That's something people don't really understand who are poor because a lot of situations are dual income, families, whatever. So I was saying I think$6 ,000 a month is more than anyone in this world needs to spend.

1:27:15If they don't have rent. but they don't have any expenses, not a single bill. So that's more than most people make. How do you determine market value in terms of payment? Like how much this person should spend? Why$6 ,000 a month and not$10 ,000 or not$4 ,000? Yeah, how'd you arrive to that number? Is it W-2? Is it like health benefits too? I don't know. I think that's just an amount that's fine with me. like i think it's just the amount that makes sense there's like you can get like new clothes and stuff with that much money um and that's really about it does it scale with how much money you make like no no it's just that that's what it that's just market rates if you make 20 million a year or a million a year yeah i just thought to myself like you look at what shit costs and you look at what she's buying it's like no reason for like more than 1500 a week even if i had unlimited money where does 1500 a week go like what do you spend 1500 a week on well the reason that i i did it was because it was just like a lot of waste of like you know sometimes like oh i i want a smoothie or something like that and then it goes on a food delivery thing and it's like it comes out to like$50 with all the fees and for a$5 thing.

1:28:45So it's more so like, you know, you want like a smoothie or something. How about you get like, you know, seven of them and keep the other six in the fridge. So we are a little bit more economical here instead of like door dashing every single meal. How about, you know, things get cooked from time to time. So it's really just more so about like getting rid of waste than anything. I watched the podcast you with Fresh and Fit. You mentioned something about wanting waffles in the morning. Yeah. Did that change? Do you get waffles in the morning? Yeah, but not from my girlfriend. Usually I have like a maid who does it.

1:29:24How much do you work? Pretty much all I do. So from the time I wake up to the time I sleep. How many people do you have working with you? Because I got to say, the people we met today, impeccable. I'm talking like you. Yeah, look at all this lighting. We have like this box providing light right here. We got that light over there. We even have a light over here that shimmers for the, like the thought that goes in the behind the scenes here that you've kind of assembled is really impressive. Yeah. So I think in person I have like seven people that live with me and work for me and then like, you know, another dozen or so just virtual assistants like that.

1:30:09Who does all the hiring and the firing and all that sort of stuff? It's a mix. I know some people like my cameraman have been with me pretty much since I started streaming. And now I have someone who runs a lot of the business development, like a CEO. You have a CEO? Yeah. Who does most of the hiring and firing now. What's the worst business decision you've ever made? I do a lot of stupid stuff. you know sometimes i'll like self-deposit and like gamble money i've done that like i've done like a 60 000 spend before how much money have you lost self-deposit in gambling probably like 20k that's not terrible yeah um i mean i think it is okay uh just like you know 20 20k um you know compared to like how much i've made yeah it's not a lot but like i wouldn't it's just stupid you shouldn't have done it um so yeah i try to keep the margins as tight as possible um so yeah no like when people hear the thing about like oh a six thousand dollar budget a month they'll be like um oh clavicular like don't you make this like why are you you know being so uh so strict about it and it's like strict about it that's like an insane amount of money six thousand dollars to spend when you have no bills what's the most valuable business lesson that you've learned in your life?

1:31:38The relationships you make with people are extremely, extremely important, right? Like in not doing business with people that you just don't trust and you don't get along with. I think it's very important that you actually get along with your business partners. How did you learn that lesson? By not getting along with people and trying to make things work to increase revenue, but, you know, the relationship eventually goes to shit. I want to talk about each one of your income sources and businesses. How is it broken down right now in terms of different income sources? There's gambling, which is a pretty big one.

1:32:18Live streaming, you get paid on kick for, you know, your concurrent viewers for how many hours you stream. and then you have some of the short form monetization like the x monetization you have snapchat which is a new one that's really big um let's let's break down each of these because i'm i'm curious what do you make on snapchat a few few grand a day a few grand that's so that's a ton like a hundred grand a month almost are we talking just from the photos yeah holy how many people watch it i don't really understand how the metrics work i just have someone that runs it for me um and takes all the pictures post them and i don't know if it's like it's more so about like watch time and like how many people how many stories you're looking through so maybe like a hundred thousand but it's like are there a hundred thousand people looking at one story or a hundred thousand people looking at a hundred wow say litter ads throughout people are clicking through you know that's insane like that is some crazy monetization i'm curious with the concurrent viewers with Kik, what does Kik pay you?

1:33:22Somewhere around like a thousand an hour usually. And how many viewers does that take to get paid a thousand dollars an hour? If I'm not mistaken, what I've heard is like it's$10 for like a hundred viewers or something like that. But I think they kind of fluctuate it manually. I don't really understand how the KPP metrics work because sometimes I'll have the same concurrent viewers and it'll be less and it'll fluctuate so it doesn't make sense you know it's kind of just like uh weather kick sort of likes you that month i think and the gambling deal i know that this is like for everybody like the way that everyone makes insane amounts of money like youtube income used to be one thing and then the gambling deals with like streamers and stuff and steak rubat whatever it is those came out and completely changed like how much money people are making to unheard of amounts Oh my gosh, yeah.

1:34:18I'm curious, what does your gambling deal look like? So I gamble 15K every day. And like it just, whatever I keep at the end of my gambling session, sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less. But usually it's a lot more than that. So I'm positive for the past three months and I gamble every day. Interesting. So what's the most you've ever made in a session? I think the most I've ever made in a day gambling is like 85K. holy cow so your your best income source is probably gambling yeah no so i would say gambling is probably the top yeah yeah i'd say but i don't really like to tell people exactly how much money i make anymore like i do well for myself streaming i got people have somewhat of an idea um i'm sure you could do the math kind of like what's publicly out there on like how much i make but you know it's unwise to let people know exactly i think the difference between i mean i would estimate probably 300 400 grand a month i think the difference between 300 or 200 grand a month and 500 grand a month is the same thing to like 99.99 it'd be a million a month i mean for gambling i'm just from that i make a lot more than than that really yeah then you're not it's not 15k a day that's what i start with but i'm positive for the month you know so like i end with more than that so like i'll start gambling with 15 000 in the account and then i'll you know usually end up with a lot more because like some days you could run it up to even 85k and some days i lose it all like overall it's positive just thinking that maybe like you know women for only fans is almost like the men for gambling yeah that's commonly said yeah i mean it's substantial yeah i'm i just feel like everyone thinks when they've seen and don't quote me and sue me for this but when people see train wrecks tv hit like a 50 million dollar win there's just no way that's real like my brain it is immediately thinks this has to be fake like There's no way this dude's spinning and$50 million.

1:36:30Wait, you're talking$50,$50? Steak has like a billion dollars a day in wagers. So that's absolutely real. They're not going to risk all of their licenses and how much money they're making from their situation to boost someone's account to get marketing. People are already gambling on steak, whether train wrecks hits for$50 million or not. That's really not a big boost for them. And they're not going to risk everything that they have going on for them to but when you're a paid gambler and you win three months in a row that also makes me i hesitate is it a little like skewed yeah hey instead of it being you know 51 house we're gonna go 49 house with this person i mean obviously don't know me yeah or even if it's 50 this is also good to have this conversation because a lot of people i am guessing assume this no it's just like with the slot multipliers like um i don't know i've just always gotten kind of lucky with it where like i'll be doing like 500 spins and i'll i'll lose like three in a row then i'll randomly like up this the buy to like 2k and then i'll hit like a max win multiplier and some of the multipliers are like 70 000 is like the max win 70 000 x so what does that do to your perception of money when you're like up and down a few tens of thousands of dollars a day does that skew like how you view the cost of like a coffee or like rent a car no not really you're able to separate the two categorize each one and say oh that's a car this is just my gambling money yeah i don't really like live in in too much luxury you know i have uh just the the sprinter and i have a an suv like i don't even have any other cars because why would i it's like i don't even drive how do you make sure you're not getting taken advantage of because virtually every single person that i've known that started making really good money at a young age that didn't have a lot of mentors around.

1:38:24I remember last time we spoke, you said you don't really have any mentors. How do you make sure that you aren't being taken advantage of? Well, now I do. And now I have people that kind of look out for me. And as I've, you know, networked with a lot more people who are in really successful positions, someone doing like a lot better than you, like, isn't really going to be out to get you. Like, you know, I'm friends with people who are, are worth, you know, nine, 10 figures. Like they don't really care to like try to me over in my situation and give me bad advice. So now I have a better grasp on things.

1:39:01So what's some of the best advice you've received? Best financial advice? Probably that it's not about what you make. it's about what you save because i've had some months where i was you know making a lot more than i do but the expenses were uh you know quite higher so now it's like i end every single month uh better off net profit wise you know but the top of the line revenue might be a little less whether it be spending on like stream production that doesn't actually translate into real income or something like that, you know, technology that I don't need, just whatever. What's the ideal amount of money to make?

1:39:41Have you noticed any diminishing returns above a certain amount? No, it doesn't really make a difference because I, outside of like, you know, my bills and what stuff costs, salaries, like I'm not really spending too much money on a day-to-day basis. uh i it's not like we're going to the club and blowing like you know 10k every friday night just doesn't happen what's the most you've ever dropped at the club eight eight thousand dollars that's not bad i mean especially if you're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a month what's the what's the most amount of money you've ever wasted well sometimes i'll like i'll pick airbnbs or hotels that are just like ridiculously overpriced like when we were staying at our last hotel i think it was like 8k a night or something like that it's just like what hotel was that uh one in israel that is so interesting yeah i mean honestly it's it's very surprising it seems like you're pretty financially responsible not that that i wouldn't have expected that but i i don't know very few people are especially when they start making such good money at a young age well you seem very calculated to me it doesn't seem like this happened by accident it seems like you're very you kind of know what you're doing well i mean i've you know that's not to say that i haven't you know kept like in a lot of ways um but it's just like i kind of would learn a lot from like seeing my parents situation because my dad um you know i i grew up like very well off but my dad would still steal toiletries from like hotels and stuff like that um like you know not not actually steal, but just like take home like the little shampoo bottles from the room, even though he's making insane amounts of money.

1:41:30So just like all these principles, just you grow up with it and you're seeing it. That's just kind of how you are going to be as well. How much do you spend every month? Like what's your monthly overhead? You have this penthouse apartment. You have another one. Apparently that's way nicer. You said, I would say maybe like 400 or something like that. It's$400 ,000 a month. When you account for staff. Yeah, probably around there. Payroll. Does that include gambling losses? No. How are you spending$400 ,000 a month? What is this penthouse? This one is$20 ,000 a month. And your other one? $35 ,000.

1:42:07Plus seven people. Plus probably paying for those people's food. Plus security. Plus all the other stuff. Where's most of it going? Salaries, travel is a big one. traveling's you travel well you fly first class and everything yeah well not not everyone but like sometimes i flew economy on the way over to paris but like i'll fly economy as much as i can but it's more so just about like you know the airbnbs and then uh every single time you want to go somewhere ubers it's all adds up you know what i mean uh traveling to europe especially places like Saint-Tropez and Mykonos are not the most, you know, cheap.

1:42:53It's very expensive to spend the summer in New York. You got a good tax person who's like filing for you now, right? Yeah. So this is going to be like the first year where I've had to pay like a significant amount of taxes because I didn't make too much money until about December of 2025. So yeah, it's all, it's going to hurt. How does that feel to write the check to the IRS? I haven't had the huge one yet, but, um, it's just, it's not great. It's not great. Are you also making money from the membership? Yeah. Is that substantial or is that a, no. So you kind of just do it on the side. Yeah. And do you do any one-on-one consulting?

1:43:32Sometimes. Really? Yeah. Sometimes I'll do it, but I mean, it's like, uh, I'm hugely burdened in terms of my time. So it's not something I can really do more than like a few times a week. What do you charge for a one-on-one consultation? It's usually just something I'm doing for free, just like for people that I know. It's not usually a paid thing. I mean, sometimes, but yeah, usually just people calling me, asking me for tips that I'm friends with that I've done collaborations with, whatever. We had some questions for you last time submitted by an influencer. this time we have a couple more questions and i wanted to see what your response is to these okay okay i see you out modeling i know you've been on performance enhancing drugs but you seem to have lost all of your muscle you look a hundred percent natural and you're no longer going to the gym do you have any plans to actually go back to the gym and try to look smacks by putting on more muscle.

1:44:34I know lean is law, but what about putting on muscle? Will you be back into the gym to influence young people to actually train? Yeah, no, absolutely. I don't gym on stream. I started going a few days ago when I got back, but it was just impossible between traveling and that whole thing. So yeah, I think the gym is a huge part of Lux Maxing. When Greg says you look natural, it's because realistically I am like I'm on TRT, testosterone replacement therapy. That's not, um, you know, a steroid blast bodybuilder type cycle. Uh, and it doesn't do the work for you. Even if you are blasting steroids, if you're not going to the gym, um, then you're not going to make gains.

1:45:20You could probably make, you know, similar gains, uh, with good diet and training, uh, you know, as a natural, then someone who's just taking gear and ladaring in some cases. so i see you got a nose surgery a rhinoplasty my girlfriend she got the same thing out in turkey and so i was wondering do you really think you needed to get this surgery dumb you dumb fuck

1:45:47i can send you that just so you just so you have that video send that yeah well um you know if i recall doesn't greg have a hair transplant right so does he really need that I mean, what? He's a millionaire. You're giving him content right now. Yeah, he's a millionaire. He's got a girlfriend. Did you really need the hair transplant, bro? You know what I mean? So that's what I'd say to him. Did I need the nose job? Probably not, but it ascended me. So the same reasons that he got his hair done is the same reasons I got my nose. Clavicular. I think I found a worse fitness influencer than yourself.

1:46:26He goes by the name of Eric English. If you haven't heard of this guy, he's 16 years old. He's on performance enhancing drugs and a lot of them. And he's literally promoting a peptide company on Instagram. Do you think he's worse than you? What is your opinion on this? Um, I don't really think that Greg like knows anything that I've talked about because any of the advice that I've given, I've always followed it up with, you know, under the supervision of a doctor. Um, you know, it, as you've probably heard throughout this interview. So I don't think I've said anything too shocking. Um, you know, I've said things that I've done that are shocking that are, uh, have a high risk associated with them, but I've always said, don't do this.

1:47:13I've said, you know, maybe I'll have a drink at the club, uh, you know, on the stream. Uh, but you know, I still acknowledge like how evil and how toxic, uh, consumption of alcohol is and that you shouldn't do it. It's one of the worst things for people who are in development. So I just don't know if Greg exactly understands what I'm all about and any of the protocols that I've actually recommended for people. We got another one from one of the most popular guests on our podcast, Chris Camillo. Okay. He says this, I agree with most of his looks maxing takes where he misses the mark is in diminishing returns.

1:47:51It's not about looks versus status versus charisma. Once you're in roughly the top 10 to 15 percent in one area, your highest ROI usually comes from improving other dimensions, not grinding to become the top 1 percent in the same category. That's the nuance. Ironically, you also. I mean, I haven't ever said that. I kind of acknowledge the whole thing about diminishing returns. So I just don't. I think that's just another person that doesn't have a complete understanding of my takes or my ideology.

1:48:49He says, Being exceptionally good looking could even become a disadvantage in certain environments. I've seen it firsthand at the highest levels of business where people sometimes have to work harder to overcome the assumptions others make about them. What's matter? They just stop being the bottlenecks sooner than many people realize. If you want to quote me, you can, but you never need to. Oh, I didn't need to say that. Thanks, Chris. Another perspective is selection bias. If your sample is dating, you'll conclude that explains almost everything. But if your sample is CEOs, founders, elite athletes, politicians, entertainers, or anyone at the top of their field, the equation changes and looks won't get you as far as you think.

1:49:29He's also willing to trade you wealth maxing techniques for looks maxing techniques. And Chris Camillo is someone I would absolutely listen to who has helped us tremendously. He's one of the few people I just love to back and forth with in terms of investing. Yeah. And once again, he mentioned something about me not attributing my newfound success with my internet fame, but I literally acknowledged that when we were talking about it. Yeah, you did mention that. Exactly. So it's just someone, it's another situation where if you actually listen to me in a long form setting, I usually clarify all my points extremely well.

1:50:13It's just like things will get clipped. That's the nature of short form redistribution. So I would say we probably don't disagree on much, me and that guy. What went wrong in the Channel 5 interview with Andrew Callahan? It wasn't him I was necessarily calling out, but I was more so calling out the fact that no one actually asked me questions about looks maxing or any specifics based on that. I think he was just asking random political questions. And I was like, dude, why are you not asking me about what all my content is about, looks maxing? What's something that we could have done better? I don't think that there's anything wrong.

1:50:57I think this interview was great. You were asking about how I weigh looks versus status and what's more important in the hypotheticals that you gave. So I think everything was spot on. It's about to get worse though, because we have other questions. What caused you to pass out at the club? Oh, just from just drinking too much on an empty stomach. So, oh wow. So it was just a miscalculation. Yeah. I mean, just what, like the people watching, like I've never had too much to drink, like in college and, you know, blacked out a little bit. Like it happens. It seems like they were worried about you.

1:51:32Like you were unresponsive for a second. He's like, yo, cut. Yeah. That didn't seem like alcohol to me, but I could be wrong. No, no, it was. I mean, I'm just not someone who frequently consumes alcohol. So my, uh, you know, my tolerance is not the strongest. That was when I kind of like started drinking and after not consuming alcohol for like six months. But yeah, that's like what everyone put in the media was that it was an, and it's like, yeah, technically, but that makes it seem like it was like drugs. Yeah. Right. That it was like drug oriented when, yeah, technically it is an, but it's alcohol.

1:52:04it's a little different. So you got slapped and then pressed charges. What was the conclusion of that? That's what got me like not allowed back into that club is because I pressed charges in my age. Yeah, so they knew how old I was. Oh, wow. I kind of f***ed that up. You didn't end up actually succeeding in pressing charges? No, I did. What happened? I'm not sure. I just know I pressed misdemeanor, I think battery is what it was. She's in jail for 35 years now. Yeah. No, I'm sure she's perfectly fine. But regardless, that clip goes viral. It's so funny. Like every couple months, it'll just pop back up on the timeline.

1:52:45Okay. We need a yes or no answer. Did you get frame-mogged by the ASU frat leader? That's what people say. That's so funny that the question still comes up. That went like so viral. And that was like earlier into my career. So I think that helped with a lot of reality because that was what, like February? Yeah. so yeah it's so you did i don't know that's i'll leave that up to what do you think i don't really think about it too much but if you were to you know do you think you frame mugged him i don't know um you know my my whole thing is i've never really claimed to be like the best looking person that's not my thing like oh like i'm the ultimate looks max it's like i'm just super knowledgeable in the field and I give advice.

1:53:29Do you see him at all? Never. Do you talk to him at all? His number's blocked. No, I don't know. There's no way they're talking. He's banned from all platforms. No, that'll usually happen. There will just be like a random characters on my stream. When is the last time you were embarrassed? Never. See, that's the thing I see. It's like you seem to be very emotionally neutral. mm-hmm yeah so like all these different things like me getting rejected like you know the clips that make me look silly i get pretty happy about it i'm like oh this is great it's just like more viral more views do you wish that you felt emotions more deeply no local is all is the move so i'm just uh you know if i let all these little things affect me like you know what people say on the internet, then, um, you know, I, I would be just in my head all the time when I was streaming and just, yeah.

1:54:26I like the fact you're not reactionary. I think that's really important. It seems that you hold composure extremely well, regardless of what's going on around you. You have to, you know, or else you're going to be impulsive and do stupid. Is that just you or is that just practice? Uh, that's just me. Okay. So you've always been this way. Do you think that it prevents you from experiencing experiencing highs as much as you could? Yeah. Usually people who are so low in HIB and they just do impulsive all the time, they have a lot of fun doing so. But being pretty emotionally flatlined allows you to be a lot more successful and a lot more consistent, I would say.

1:55:14So I'm extremely consistent and then running over that guy in the car did you feel bad or did you feel vindicated no comment no yeah i don't think you could say how you feel because i'm sure it's still ongoing and is there is there litigation there's no way that's over i i think it is i think um he the guy kind of like did up with a couple of statements made on the internet so oh interesting in fairness i got it i never think you should get in front of a car with a person behind the driver's seat when the car can go saying things i have to say that to me yeah seems like common sense well let's just say that thankfully we're in florida not the state of california or else things would be very different the state of florida um and a lot of its uh you know litigators whatever or legislators, excuse me, have said, you know, about these protests.

1:56:09If you get in front of someone's car and are blocking them, then run them over. I see some of these that really upset me when there's a car trying to pass through. People surround the car. You could see the person inside freaking out and they accelerate and the people in front get off. And then sometimes then they try to chase down the car and rip out the person once again yeah i'm not an impulsive guy uh everything i do is calculated now so so this is a status tier list and so this it's based off of you know how much they can status mog what they're able to achieve looks kind of the whole package you know maybe attraction to woman or from woman that's a good okay uh so smb i'm gonna put first s tier gotta be ronaldo um easily um and mind you the closer you are to the the letter that's that is also within the s tier that's how it's ranked oh okay um elon musk i'm gonna put him I'm actually going to put him at A tier, I would say.

1:57:23I would say Tate. I'm going to put Tristan Tate at A tier. I'll also put Andrew Tate at A tier. Between them, which one's closer to the letter? I put Tristan. Let's see. We have Togi. We have Timothy Chalamet. that's probably another A tier okay now moving on to B tier I'm going to go with David Laid I'm going to go with oh wait I forgot I just saw Messi on this list yeah you could put them back in the tier I'll put Messi right after Elon Musk here so he's going to go in front of the Tates and right behind Elon Musk All right, then I'm going to put Henry Cavill, also another S tier right behind Ronaldo.

1:58:24Let's see, Mr. Beast, we'll put him B tier. That's hard. Yeah, we'll put him B tier. We'll do XQC, I think, is also going to be pretty high up there. or or no we'll go C tier we'll put Hassan we'll put Speed Kai uh XQC well dude when you're comparing to like Messi I mean Elon Musk I agree with you I took this I filled this out as well I'll put my results what I put this as after you're done I can't wait to see this yeah um let's see i'll put neon and d tier um jesse james west and put in that's i would say d tier i think just like with how famous some of these people are like you know we're talking about messy you know versus like it doesn't need to be linear it could Yeah.

1:59:39Okay. I'm going to put myself in probably D tier. Let's see. All right. We'll put

1:59:59bang okay I don't know who these two oh wait let me put Nick and then hmm I think we'll go I think Nick since just with like how controversial his politics are might be a little lower like see and then who are these last two people

2:00:26me and Caleb hammer you got Graham on the right and Caleb on the left okay um that's probably how I hope I scored yes I scored higher than Caleb hammer I scored higher than Graham that's crazy okay so I put wow I can't believe you put neon higher than you yeah why is neon higher than you was the only way i did uh maybe yeah neon was the only he was the only person i put lower than me yeah i might be i was second to last in my list why is togy so much higher than jack and i i think he is dude i mean like yeah just because he's he's jacked he's jacked he's funny he's funny he's charismatic he's jester max yeah physique max more than jesse James West though?

2:01:16I think so. I think so. Yeah. Wow. That's yeah. That's my list. Caleb, Jack, we got, we got some work to do. I'm not last. I wasn't the last of my list. Second to last. Yeah. So, you know, like I'm pretty, I'm pretty objective with it. Like, you know, I realized like my faults and I have no problem acknowledging it. You know, I've never claimed to be like the best looking highest SMV. I'm just a guy who could, you know, talk for hours about every single whole drug interaction in my body and in all areas of looks maxing you know that's what i'm about you know what the other thing i will give you a lot of credit for and jack and i were talking about this when he texted you you texted jack back and yeah i couldn't believe it and you knew your schedule because it was so planned out that when jack that that when jack asked when are you free you said this day this time yeah um i finished another podcast right before this i've just had a a ridiculous amount of media the past like week or so probably done like over 10 different interviews yeah you're very calculated i think people can tell obviously if they watch enough of your raw content as opposed to just the clips that everything you do has a plan and it's calculated and that i think the only thing that i haven't quite understood yet and maybe it's an age thing maybe it isn't is that you juxtapose this like very calculated intelligent you know you could go on for hours about pharmacology and you mix that up with a lot of very risky, irrational decisions that some people see you making on stream that could just be for entertainment purposes.

2:02:55It doesn't seem like you've actually experienced negative consequences of, you know, extending yourself too much. Right. So it seems like even the chaos is a little bit controlled. Yeah, no, most certainly. Which is good. Yeah. Thank you so much for giving us your time today. Consult a medical professional. I do not get behind any of this. Talk to doctors. Oh, I'm clueless. Be smart. Whoa, whoa. I already said this. Yeah, of course. He said this. We're not saying this as opposition to him, but we all agree. Talk to doctors. Do your best. Oh, yeah. Do your best. Do your best. Thank you so much for watching.

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