How Sophie Rain Makes (And Spends) $100,000,000 Per Year

19:46It was, it was amazing. How quickly did your lifestyle adjust to those earnings and your mental as well? Like, at what point were you like, OK, I am making this amount of money. This does not feel like it's a dream. Honestly, probably like around a year ago, like it became very real for me because I just bought my first house a year ago. Before then, I was just living in apartments going back and forth. But I bought my first official house and that's the 20 acres that I live at now. It's my farm. And I think that was like the main eye opener. Like, oh, my God, I can afford a house. Like, I never thought I was going to ever be able to buy a house one day.

20:18And now I own two. How much was the house? My house that I live at currently was 1.3.

20:23Graham Stephan:And what about the 20-acre one? That's the 20-acre one. 20 acres? Well, it's a... 20 acres was 1.3. And then I have a lake house that was 2.3. How do you ensure that people don't find the address of the house and show up? They do. They do? Do you have 24-hour armed guards security and everything? I do, yes. I do. How often do people show up? No one has showed up yet, but I've gotten lots of threats to show up. And I've had I've been swatted before at my house. I've had police called multiple times. It's just living in the state of Florida. Everything's public records. So what's that like getting swatted?

20:58Oh, it was terrifying. And the way that it happened to it was just disgusting because I was just at home. It was late at night. It was like seven or eight or something. And I'm just on my couch and I get a call from my dad. And he's like, this person is like texting all of our family members, like what's going on? And it was like very serious threats. Like it was very disgusting behavior. And so I'm like reading all this. I'm on the phone with my dad. Everything's like kind of going on at once. And then at my front door, immediately I'm like, what's going on? So I opened the door and it's a police officer.

21:30And he's like, we got a call. Like, are you, you know, are you OK? We got to we have to check on you. Your dad called. And I was like, no, I'm on the phone with my dad right now. and then he was like okay well i just have to check the house make sure everything's good blah blah blah he can't he came whatever he left and as soon as he left i got on the phone with my lawyer because obviously i knew something's something's happening and like people are leaking my address and as soon as i got on the phone with my lawyer my power cut off so i'm like oh my god like i started freaking out and then immediately my lawyer was like oh are you sure

22:00Graham Stephan:that was a real police officer just what i was thinking and immediately i went to my bathroom i was like i don't know he didn't show me his badge or anything like now that i'm thinking about it. I didn't see anything. And it was just all a coincidence. Like my neighbor's power also turned off. It was a real police officer. And then the next day I got a call from the FBI because I they already I filed reports and everything. So they knew everything was going on. And I got a call from the FBI asking if I was building a house. And I obviously am not building a house. But yeah, that's been that's been fun.

22:30They were on the way to my house. They didn't actually go into my house, but they came to my property.

22:34Graham Stephan:Couldn't you buy the property in an irrevocable trust with a lawyer on title and then your name doesn't show up? So these are the things they don't teach you in school. You know, like I had to learn that obviously afterwards, after I bought my house. And now that I already bought my house, I would have to resell it and then buy it again if I wanted it under the trust. Not even. Even if you do that. That's what I've been told. No, it's still going to show on title because what people could do is do basically a back search. And they could say, oh, wait a second. Exactly. She used to live here. And now all of a sudden it's in a trust.

23:02Graham Stephan:She didn't sell it. Yeah. So for your next house, you could do it completely anonymously. Yes, and that is my plan. And I now know all of this. I know ways to protect me because I've also contacted my county to try and get all of my records removed and everything because everything's online. And they said that they're working on it, but I— They're not going to do it. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think they're doing it. That's whatever. It's fine. It's just it comes with the industry, you know. I would highly recommend you set up an irrevocable trust and get everything out of your name. I have one now.

23:34I do have one now. All of my, everything's under it. All of my vehicles. I do have one really nice ring and that's under it. I bought it from Gucci. It was like their, I don't know what collection it was, but that was the one jewelry that I have not lost yet because I refuse to wear it. How much was that? I think it was just a ring and I think it was 14 ,000. I think it was 14 ,000. That's actually not bad. Oh, I thought you were about to, yeah. Yeah. Come on. Okay. Okay. Thank you. We had Christine, you probably don't know who she is. We had her on the podcast. selling sunset. Oh, yes. She spent 1.3 million or something?

24:07Yes. On a ring. Okay. I feel a lot better about my$14 ,000. Technically, you could. I technically could. You're right. But I feel like that would be silly for me to do. Have you ever done anything that is truly financially irresponsible? Yes. Which is? I believe that when I bought my dream car, I should have just waited because I've lost a lot of it. It lost a lot of its value. But you know what? It's okay because it's my dream car. I'm probably never going to sell it. What is it? it's a porsche 2024 porsche gt3 rs what did you pay for it how does it lose that much i paid 500 000 for it and what's it worth now i think it's worth like 400 maybe like 350.

24:46so these really aren't that bad does that bother you i mean no not really because i know i'm never gonna sell it

24:52Graham Stephan:i don't even think that's financially irresponsible no but i shouldn't i shouldn't have bought it when i did because like i bought it like i should have definitely bought a house first that was the first thing i bought was my biggest purchase why because i was like you know what like i made it i was i think this was like six months maybe a year into doing of and i wanted something for myself because i haven't i hadn't bought anything like big for myself besides obviously like little purses and here and there so i bought my dream car and that was that even your most financially irresponsible irresponsible thing is not even as close to my most irresponsible financial yours my probably my Tesla.

25:28I bought a Tesla for$58 ,000. And I told him not to buy it. Don't even get started with me right now, Graham, because you told me not to buy a house and I bought the house and that worked out. So he always thinks he knows what's up. You got lucky. I bought the Tesla. It was$58 ,000 when I got it. And now, like, three or four years later, it's probably worth, like, $20 ,000. $25 ,000. Yeah. So, like, halved in value. And I guess, obviously, the numbers are different, but also the income is different. But still, congratulations. I mean, I applaud that. Thank you. Thank you. I love her. She's my baby.

25:56She sits in the garage most of the time. How many cars do you have now? I have my Porsche. I have Cadillac Escalade V. That's my mom car. I have a Raptor R. I have a mini truck. That is like my farm truck. It's like the little Japanese cars. The steering wheels on the other side. That is so cool. And then I have two business trucks. Is it like the KEI truck? I have a picture of it. Like the little cab in the front? Yes, yes. It's like the little flatbed. I wrapped it pink. I love her. She's so amazing. That's awesome. That's my favorite car. That's my favorite car. I had it imported from Japan.

26:31Yeah. Okay, so I actually looked into getting these as well. There's a guy that lives in Salt Lake, and his whole job is like buying these, importing them from Japan, and then restoring them. Yeah. They're really cheap. You can get one of them for like a few thousand dollars. I think I bought mine for two, like 2 ,000. But then you had to pay the import fees and everything? Mm-hmm. I mean, that's still an impressive car collection. It's very diverse, which is nice. And then jewelry. Yes. To pocket watch, what's up with the jewelry? This is it? This is all you have aside from the ring? Yeah, this is it.

26:59You put on all of your jewelry today in like one go. I'm not even, well, I have like these little like belly chains that I wear sometimes if I'm in like a bikini. It's like just that. But literally everything's from Amazon. I'll lose this within a week and I'll just go on Amazon and buy new bracelets. I feel like you would lose it because you bought it so cheaply. But if you got something more expensive like that ring, then you'd protect it. No, no. Like I've, and I've had really nice jewelry before. Like I used to have Van Cleef bracelets. I used to have Louis bracelets, Louis rings. Like I used to be decked out in designer.

27:26And you would just lose it? And it's all gone. Every single piece is gone.

27:29Graham Stephan:How do you know it's lost and not stolen? Because I'm very irresponsible with misplacing things. I always lose things. But maybe you put it down and then someone else comes and just like, oh. I mean, that is also a possibility. That definitely is a possibility. But I don't, you know, I believe that there's good people surrounded by me and that no one would try to steal anything from me. I just think I lose it very often because like sometimes I'll just take it off, throw it in my purse. And then my purse tips over and it falls out of my purse and I don't pick it up if I don't see it. You know, I definitely think that's how I lost a lot of my jewelry.

27:56Would you say money buys happiness? Um, yes and no. I feel like that is a very fine line. Money definitely has made me a lot happier. But I think that there's a lot inside that people still need to work on that money just cannot help whatsoever. So I obviously think like, yes, money is nice because you don't stress about certain things. Like I don't stress about bills or anything. And I think that's very nice. But I also stress about other things that everyone stresses about, like family issues, like other things, relationship, this and that. So I think that there's like a fine line between that and there's no right or wrong answer.

28:29Graham Stephan:What's your biggest stress today? Honestly, right now going to go see my grandparents. I've been meaning to go see my grandparents and it's been stressing me out because I haven't had time to go. I've been traveling from place to place and that's really stressing me out. So I think I'm flying home tonight. I'm going to go straight there. I'm not even going to go home. I'm going to just go straight to my grandparents' house because I need to see them. Do you have a close relationship with your family? I do. I do. A lot of people speculate that in order for a girl to do OF, then they have a fractured relationship with their parents.

28:54And it's sort of like a defiant nature. What do you think about that? I don't think that's true at all. I think it's all part of the stigma that people have created for OF people. And I have a really great relationship with my family, like definitely. And I'm not going to sit here and lie. At first, it was not good. When I obviously started, I introduced, I talked to my mom and she wasn't happy about it, but I showed her what I'm doing online. I'm being very safe. I have a great group of people around me. And she was supportive after one conversation. Like she just, I think that she just didn't understand it also.

29:22And I think a lot of people still don't understand OF.

29:25Graham Stephan:And what about your dad? He loves it. He loves it. He doesn't mind at all. Like, he knows what I'm doing exactly. They watch my TikToks. My mom actually just texted me earlier talking about my new TikTok that I posted with Tara's World. And they're very supportive. My grandparents know what's going on and everything. Did they ever give you any sort of warning of like, hey, these are like the downsides? Or were they overall pretty supportive? I think when we had our initial conversation, they definitely had a lot of concerns and they were telling me their concerns. But I could I told them, obviously, like, this is not a concern for me.

29:58Like, this is how I see it. And I'm being very safe and I'm surrounded by great people. Like, I would obviously never put myself in harm's way if I, you know, if I can avoid it, I'm going to avoid it. But they're all very supportive.

30:08Graham Stephan:So why do people have the stigma with, because from my perspective, it's really no different than like a swimsuit model. And those seem to be celebrated. Well, hold on a second. What? I think we need to. Are we diverging? No, no, no. I think when you're saying a swimsuit model, I mean, OF is primarily used for like, you know, it's most of the people use it for that. So I don't want to like technically misread. I know, but everyone gets lumped in the same category. That's true. And I think that's where a lot of the stigma comes from. I obviously don't do anything heavily on there. I wasn't sure if I was allowed to say it.

30:50Everyone just thinks that I'm out here doing Bonnie Blue type stuff, but really I'm not. I keep it very natural on my site. I don't do anything crazy. I love the content I post out there. People love the content I post out there. And I think that the stigma just comes from years of, you know, obviously and all of these other sites, you know, there's just there's always been adult content out there. And I don't think that that will ever change in anyone's eyes. But I, you know, I'm here to tell you guys it can only if OF is very different. It can be anything you want it to be like truly like it's not all content on the site.

31:30There's other people on the site.

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32:48So what would you say are the main reasons why people think you're controversial? Well, definitely my income. I think that's very controversial for a lot of people, just because people don't believe it. but it is very real. Another, I mean, definitely just being on the site is controversial. A lot of people think like me posting on TikTok, I'm trying to promote, you know, joining OF. That's obviously not what I'm doing at all. I've made multiple videos on the pros and the cons of OF and why you should join it and why you should not join it. But I also think that like it shouldn't have to be this serious discussion.

33:22Like it's, it's 2026. Like, you know, the Epstein files are Like, who cares? Like, do what you want to do. Like, do what makes you happy. And this makes me happy. And I'm, you know, I'm confident in myself and everything. So what are the main pros and cons of starting an OF? Starting an OF? I mean, I think my main con was finding confidence. Like, I really, I, if y 'all met me like three years ago, I'm a completely different person. Like, I've just gained so much confidence from doing this. Obviously, money is a great con. You can make money on it. Like a pro. A pro, yes. Sorry. is a great pro.

33:54All the taxes.

33:55Graham Stephan:That's a big con. That's a big con also. And some cons are obviously like privacy. Like you get your privacy invaded. I really try very hard to like have a private life and then also post the kind of content I want to post on social media just because everything I do is intentional. And then when I go home, I know that like I can turn that, I can turn my phone off and I can fall back and, you know, not have to worry about these people judging me or doing this or that or whatever, just because I keep it very separate. And I think that's, you know, a lot of people fail doing that and then they get lost in social media.

34:25So I definitely advocate that a lot to make sure that you can fall back on something when it gets too hard online. Because I mean, I can sit here and say all the time that like, you know, the hate comments don't get to me, but it's tiring also. Like it's just tiring posting online every single day. Like it's, it's just human nature, you know, like you can't, it's, it's just repetitive and it's nice that I I can go be at my farm, play with my cows and not have to worry about anything. What do you say to those who argue there is an imbalance of power between the creator and the consumer? Because usually the consumer is going to be sort of intimately involved in the experience.

35:04And for them, it may be consensual. But if they're psychologically or mentally disadvantaged in that relationship, because for you, it's a transaction. For them, a lot of the times it can be a little bit more than that. it's like a transaction. It's also some semblance of a relationship. Then there is this sort of like imbalance of power and a lot of money is there to be made in that imbalance of power. What do you say to that? I think a lot of it is just miss. A lot of people aren't educated online. I think it's very there's just so much that happens on social media and it's changing every single day.

35:37And I think a lot of these people, you know, like anything on the Internet is dangerous. It's, you know, YouTube can be dangerous. TikTok could be dangerous. It just depends on how you use it and you have to use it, you know, with intention. And I think that's that's all I try to do. Due to the nature of your content, what is the average fan interaction look like? Because for us, it can be quite pleasant. Like someone, for example, can just be like, yo, what's up, man? Love the pod. You do a great job out there. Awesome. Keep it up. I'm like, oh, thanks. And that's it. Sometimes pictures, sometimes this, sometimes that.

36:09But it's usually very chill. I imagine with you, it could be a little bit more unique. It's it's definitely unique. A lot of people think that's just come up to me and touch me whenever they want to. Have people tried that? A hundred percent people have. And I think that's definitely like a con that I'd like to say out there. Like obviously these men, they see you online and when they see you in person, they're obviously going to think that they can do anything. And it's just not okay to just go up and like touch someone randomly. I just don't think that's okay regardless if I'm online or not.

36:36But a lot of my fan interactions are actually really great. Like a lot of them just know me from TikTok and they'll come up, they'll ask for a picture. They'll ask what I'm doing here. How's my day going? I'll normally ask them what's a good place to go around here because most of the times they're locals. And it's great. I love meeting new people just because I can get that kind of information.

36:54Graham Stephan:Do you travel with security? I try to. I definitely try to. I don't though normally. That would be spooky for me. Yeah. It's crazy. It's definitely crazy, but I take the good with the bad you know I'm so grateful to be here and like I would never I don't regret anything I would never change anything so like you know I'm just happy to be alive why do you think so many people believe that like is harming society well I think a lot of it is the stigma also I think like anything on the internet it can be harmful and the way you use it a lot of people think that is a site like and it is just not and I I tell that I say this in every podcast every interview I do, like it is just such a big platform that you can do anything you want.

37:41And I've made like I've built a business from doing this. Like I've I just think a lot of people, you know, they look at it in a negative light and I think that it's a lot of misinformation that they have and they just need to. Do you think it's harmful? I mean, I definitely think it's harmful in certain ways. Like it depends on how you use it. So what would be a harmful and a not harmful way of using it? I mean, obviously, like if you're heavily addicted to porn, like it's definitely an issue. I'm Christian. So like it's, it's just not good to be heavily addicted to porn. But I also think it's human nature.

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38:49Like everyone has looked at something before and I just think it's human nature and I think that we shouldn't deny that. That would be a non-harmful way of viewing it is just like casually perusing is what you're saying? I mean, not like casually perusing. I think that it's the way that you use it. Everything on the internet is different. I think, you know, if you're going to look at these models in a negative light, obviously like that's not okay. But I just feel like it doesn't have to be that way. Like it's 2026, like free the tit. Like what happened to that? Like I think that it's fine. And I don't think that it should be a look down on thing.

39:25Graham Stephan:like what about what bonnie blue is doing because you brought her up yes what are your thoughts i mean like and then here's where the picture comes in that it's just a giant spectrum like you can you can do whatever you want on the website and you know if that's what she wants to do and if she's comfortable with that and if she's happy then like all power to you like do that i would never personally do that i think it's crazy but i also like like if she's happy i don't see anything wrong with it are you insecure at all about the potential consequences of the work that you do like what like i mean inevitably i'm sure that even in the messages or with some people that have subscribed to your of you've probably had a couple choice encounters where in the beginning like you see that their life is like maybe like normal and then maybe they can go down like a rabbit hole and then had a really unhealthy relationship with it and then years later they're like oh my gosh you know like paying for absolutely everything like you probably experience this being a creator on the platform yes um well i obviously don't have controls like over other over other people's actions.

40:25We're all adults at the end of the day. We can all make decisions for ourselves. And I think that if you're just not well educated, that's that's I can't do anything about that. I'm sorry. I'm posting content out there for that reason for people to buy. And I think I'm you know, I'm doing that and I'm successfully. So you would say it's up to the consumer to determine what is right and wrong for them. A hundred percent. I do believe that just because I know like what values I have and I, you know, I'm a Christian and everything and I know what I post out there and everything's intentional. And I think that people online, they obviously, they get too invested into it sometimes.

41:03And, you know, like, I just, I think that we need a lot of, like, we just need to be more educated. What does Christianity mean to you? I grew up Christian my entire life. I just, I remember like, that was the one thing I had in my life was my relationship with God. And honestly, like we have a great relationship. I know I make mistakes every day, like everyone sins and, you know, we're just, we're, we're tight. You know, he's got me. If anything fails, he's got me. Do you think that like to juxtapose your job as a creator on OF with some sort of Christianity, like there could be some sort of contention there?

41:40I don't believe so. I don't look at it like that at all. And I just think Like, I think it's just outdated and a lot. It's the stigma that people are just continuously thinking like this. Like, I truly don't believe that it's not conflicting with my religion at all. Have you, like, how would you say that it's not conflicting? And this is not by any means trying to be, like, any sort of accusatory. In fact, I'm agnostic. I'm not even, like, religious. I'm just trying to understand because I hear a lot of stuff from some Christian friends. And then, like, to think about how that relates to content made on OF.

42:10I'm like, okay, well, that seems, there seems to be some sort of dissonance there. I think that religion is personal. Everyone has a different experience with religion. I say I'm Christian, but I don't push out my values on other people. I know my relationship I have with God. Like, if I sin, I know that he will forgive me. And if I wasn't meant to be here, I wouldn't be here. You know, like, he wouldn't have put me in this position. And I know what I'm doing is, you know, he, we're good. Like, I know that if I wasn't supposed to be where I am today, he would make it known because he's done that before in my life.

42:42Graham Stephan:And where do you draw the moral line? And like, where do you draw your boundaries? I mean, obviously, like, when I don't like something, I just won't do it. If I'm uncomfortable, I'm not going to do it. I don't, I know my boundaries, but I don't like I don't see anything morally incorrect with it or anything, if that's the question. Is there anything you see that's maybe morally questionable that's going on with OAuth? Because I see a lot of creators getting some backlash and also a lot of publicity for signing up like the day they turn 18. I mean, like they're adults. I think that they can make their own decision on, you know, whatever they want to do in their life because it's their life.

43:23Like anything on the Internet can be harmful in its own ways. It's just really depends on the way you use it. Where do you draw the line personally, morally, with what you do? I don't really. I don't. That's like kind of a loaded question. I don't really know like how to answer that. Like maybe there's been an offer presented to you, but you drew that. You said, no, I'm not willing to do that. Mm hmm. I mean, it's definitely happened before. I just do what I'm comfortable with.

43:45Graham Stephan:Do you think society judges the creators more than the consumers? A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I definitely think that the creators get all the backlash and not the consumers, but also like there's just there's so many consumers also. So like, how could you ever, you know, blame them because they're the one buying the content? Like, I don't, I think they're supporting me at the end of the day. So I think it's all right. What do you think is the biggest criticism about you that's valid? Biggest criticism about me that's valid? I don't know. I really like don't, I don't like read up on myself.

44:19Is that bad? Like, I don't look at what other people are saying about me. Like, I could not tell you what the number one story of me is right now online just because I, that's that's another boundary I have is like I don't read what other people are saying about me online because I know in my heart what I like to do and who I am so who cares what this person is saying about me because like obviously they're wrong they don't know me did you used to read

44:41Graham Stephan:the comments oh 100 100 and when did you stop like was there a certain thing that happened or something that you read I obviously still read the comments I don't think like anyone can just posts and not read the comments but i've just i've i definitely have thicker skin now like that doesn't get to me as much and i think it was probably like a year of doing this i got really thick skin i think that's important because even like bringing you on this show we've not really done very much of like of or anything on this like as in terms of guests we've brought on we've had on celeberry we've had on kazumi that's it right yeah kazumi we filmed twice yeah kazumi we had to film twice because the first time we filmed with her it was too much that we weren't able to post it.

45:22Like we were like, okay, we're probably drawing the line here. Also, my grandma watches the podcast. And so sometimes I'm like, okay, like - Our barometer is Jack's grandma. It really is. Well, sometimes I just tell her, hey, Gigi, like do not tune into this Sunday. You didn't say that in the beginning though. So Gigi could watch this episode. I might, I might. We'll see how this ends up going. But yes, so that's usually our barometer of what we're willing and not willing to post. I know we're going to get a lot of backlash from this. And the way I justify it is like, I will take criticisms very seriously from people that I know and from people that I trust.

45:51People that are online that don't really know the extent of the situation, they may be able to hear us say that this podcast is all about hearing different perspectives. And it would be wrong of us to ignore this entire economy of OF. Like that is something that truly does exist. And for us to turn our heads and say, no, it doesn't. And to explore the morals and the money and this lifestyle is all very interesting. It's just something completely new. Like there's nothing there's never been anything like this. Like, like I know I have, you know, I've made obviously a crazy amount of money and I can live comfortably now.

46:23And it's just I don't think that there's ever been something like this on the Internet, like just that fast. You know, it's it's pretty crazy. But people will cast judgment regardless. And it's contingent upon you and the people that you trust in order to give you like proper criticism. For example, if I I asked a few people like, hey, what do you think? We're considering bringing Sophie Randall to the podcast. We were also almost going to shoot with Lil Tay. So Lil Tay, you stopped responding to my texts. and she actually she dm'd us first and she was like hey can we do a podcast i was like yes i would love to and then we're in puerto rico we're gonna film with logan paul and then she stopped responding to the text as well as her manager but hopefully one day maybe one day surely one day um people would say hey are you sure that's something that you wanted to do and i would take the criticism very seriously from the people that like we know and trust of course i mean obviously the people that i'm very close with they tell me obviously if they don't like something i posted or they like something i posted and i definitely take that into heart but i feel like Like anyone online who doesn't really know me, I try not to read anything about it just because I know like I know who I am.

47:22That's all I try to do.

47:23Graham Stephan:So where do most people go wrong when they try to replicate your success? I think overworking themselves. I definitely have been there like just constantly on live or on, you know, doing Instagram photos. Like overworking yourself is not the way to do it because then you get burnt out and then you don't like social media and then you don't want to post anymore. You have to just do what makes you happy. But consistency is definitely key. What I do is I work a week out of the month and I get all of my content in one week and then I can be home for the rest of the month and post like I'm posting every single day, you know.

47:55But most of the time I am actually traveling just because I'm always going here to go meet this person and then my cousin's flying here to go here and I want to go with her. But that is my that's what I do normally is I just like get a whole bunch of content out in one week. You mentioned a lot of traveling and I heard from every I mean your friends the people you brought along here that you guys flew private. Yes, we did fly private. When did you start flying private? How did you financially justify that? The first time I flew private was because our flight got canceled and I really wanted to get home.

48:28We were fresh off a two week Japan or Japan trip and I landed in L.A. and our flight got canceled and there wasn't a next flight. I think like the next night or something. And it was me and my friend, me and my cousin. And we were like, you know what? Like we're not waiting in LA any longer. We wanted to be home. So he's like, I'm going to go, I'm going to try to find PJ charters. And I was like, well, I don't know what, I don't know what that is. Like I didn't know anything about private jets, obviously like private jet. And so he looked it up. We found one. We went to go, go home the first time.

48:57And this is actually a really funny story. This is my first PJ fly ever. We get there to fly home from my two week Japan trip and both tires are flat on the plane. So they're like, oh, there's nothing we can do. Like you can fly commercial if you want to, or we can try to put you on this plane that's two hours away. And we're like, okay, well the next commercial flight isn't until tomorrow. That's why we're here. So they, we told them drive us to this two hour place and let's go try to fly out of this private jet because it's not, obviously I don't own the private jet. It's just other people's private jets that they charter.

49:27And so we get into this one plane and we're taking off. It's like 3 p.m. now and everything. And the entire plane shuts off while we're in the air. Like, I don't know what this means, but the pilot said that the pitch in the elevator broke. So we basically, like, couldn't go up and down. We were just gliding in the air after we took off. So I just remember, like, absolutely crying. Like, oh, my God, my first PJ ride and I'm going to die. Like, I don't know why I ever agreed to this. Like, I should have just stayed commercial. Like, I love commercial. I love first class. And it was fine. We landed and we weren't able to fly private that day.

50:00So we had to wait the next night to fly private. And then after that, I was like, I'm never going to fly private again. Like this sucks. Like, why do why do people do this? Just because I had such a bad experience the first time. Now it's just very convenient. I don't have to go into the airport at all and like go through security or anything. You just get right on the plane. And I think, you know, time is money. And I feel like I save a lot of time doing that. And also I've had really bad experiences in the airport with fans coming up to me. um i don't like them just because like my luggage is out and everything and like i don't like i've had just really bad experiences what experiences have you had just people like wanting to get too close people trying to i've had someone try to like look into my bag while i'm taking photos with someone like it i just like i don't i'm not comfortable in the airport especially traveling alone i travel alone a lot so i like private just because it's also just a little bit safer for me just in my experience just because i fly i mainly travel alone do you really only fly private now then?

50:56No, no, no, no. I flew commercial to LA. The only reason why I flew private here to Vegas with you guys today just is because there was no flights early in the morning. JSX. So I need to get here.

51:07Graham Stephan:Are you familiar with JSX? Mm-mm. It's like a private airline. I don't know. You share it with other people, and they have... I'm going to have to look this up. It is incredible. We take it quite a bit from Vegas to LA. Okay. I'm definitely going to have to look that up because I was thinking about that this morning. I was like, why isn't there like uber ride share for private jets but that is basically what that is see like i'm just not i'm just not as educated in the aviation industry i guess so where else do you spend your money um right now i mean i've honestly i haven't really been spending like crazy amounts the last big purchase i made was my farm that i now live at i try to invest as much as i can what are you investing in the most just any stock tips I wish I really wish my financial advisor does all my investing for me just because I don't know anything about the stock world I really want to I really want to learn just because I do want to invest more but he is investing in separate things for each of my family members if that makes sense so I told him like my biggest goal is to make sure my family is also financially stable after I am not on social media anymore.

52:14So each of my siblings, each of my parents, they have like their own investment account that gets money put into it every year. And then after I'm done doing this, I want to give it to them. And that's like, I guess that's my biggest spender. That's where most of my money goes is like, is into those investment accounts for my family, just because my brother's about to graduate from college. Like I want him to be able to buy a house when he graduates. So that's what that's for. I'm hoping same thing for my older brother. Like I want him to eventually buy a house soon. I'm hoping that this, he can use this, but I'm not going to give it to them now just because I wanted to sit there and grow.

52:44Graham Stephan:Do you think OF is harder than a nine to five? Honestly, no, it's not. Um, when I was serving, like, I remember like pulling my hair, like, like actually like sitting there pulling my hair just because it was so stressful. But OF is definitely, it's definitely stressful. Like I can't sit here and lie and like say that it's not stressful at all and it's easy peasy and everything, but it's definitely stressful. But I think that it's as stressful as you make it to be. Like it's online. You control everything on your own site. Like it doesn't have to be something that's, you know, you don't like or makes you stressful.

53:23Like just do what you like and makes you happy. What would you say are the key metrics in becoming successful on OF? Is it marketing? Is it beauty or is it something else? I think the number one key thing to do is to have an audience before you drop an OF. That's what I did. I started growing my audience on TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, every single social media platform. I grew an audience at first. And then I dropped my OF. And I think that's something a lot of people don't do is they just come straight onto social media and here's my link. You know, I think that you need to post yourself out there kind of like marketing.

53:55You need to market yourself out there. You need to post on TikTok so people can know who you are. Because obviously, like if I hear, oh, this person dropped an OF, I don't know who that is, but someone that's been on social media for a year now who's been getting a little bit of traction. I've seen her in this person's TikTok and I've seen her on this post. Obviously, people know the name, so they're going to try to see whatever.

54:15Graham Stephan:Yeah. How competitive is it now? I mean, everyone is just dropping only. I was going to say everyone's doing it. I don't see it as competition. I think that there's room for everyone. And it's just that's the great thing about it, just because you can do anything on there and you don't have to stick to one specific thing to be on the site. Yeah. What about you specifically? Why do you think it's you that is the number one creator on the entire platform making over$100 million? That's just absurd. I wish that I had a good answer for this, but I honestly think that I'm very consistent. I stay true to my values.

54:51I post with intention and I just am who I am. I'm not trying to fake anything. This is just who I am. So what are the main things that you notice make a difference in that monthly recurring revenue? Do you still want to grow it at this point or are you trying to like just maintain? I think I mean, I'm always finding new ways to try and grow it, obviously, just because I think that's the most fun part is challenging myself to try to make more than last month just to see if I can do it. But that's that's what I do. What's the most you've made in a month? The most I've made in a month, I think, was five million dollars.

55:26So what did you do in that month that made you make 5 million? Definitely collabs. Joining up with other creators and making similar content together. That is a big thing I think that a lot of people don't also do is collaborations. Is that on TikTok or like on other platforms? You're collaborating with them there and then that directs the traffic to the OF? Yes. Yes and no. Collabs on TikTok. It's not so much like I don't post on TikTok and on Instagram trying to get people to find my OF. I post on Instagram for Instagram. I post on TikTok for TikToks and I post on OF for OF content. I think I try to keep everything very different just because I know I have obviously a younger audience on TikTok.

56:07That's just TikTok. And I don't try to obviously persuade anyone to try to find my link on there. And I think that collaborating with other creators is really great because you get a new audience. You get, you know, their fans that have never even seen you before, obviously, and it's vice versa. It's a great ecosystem.

56:21Graham Stephan:Did you see an uptick in earnings after you did the video with David Dobrik? I don't think so. I don't think so. Everything's been pretty consistent throughout everything. I didn't see anything crazy jump up from doing that. Where does most of the earnings come from? Is it messages or is it the feed that you post out there? It's definitely messages. Messages is where you make the most money. And what do the conversations look like in the messages? I mean, just literally anything. I talk to so many people on there. Some people are just talking about their day. Some people are talking about their dog.

56:56Literally anything.

56:57Graham Stephan:Could you open up one of the messages and read it? I can't do that just because I don't want to invade someone's privacy. Maybe they love it though. Maybe like, oh man, she had my question. Because they got a little shout out. But yeah, I try not to like, I don't want to obviously post anything from the site just because I don't want to out anyone who doesn't. Do you personally respond to these messages? Because we've heard from a lot of people that they have agencies or other people that respond to the messages. I do respond to a lot of messages. It definitely takes a lot of my time, like flying here.

57:26That's all I was doing was responding messages. But I also, it takes a village. I also have people that help me. My mom and my sister help me. Like, they know what I do. So they help me message and everything. But do people send like explicit pictures within the messages? Not all the time. Definitely not all the time. But there definitely are some. It's just a wide range. Like, it's a giant spectrum. Like, there's no in-between. Like, it's everything. You get crazy pictures, and then you also meet someone so great on there. Like, it's amazing.

57:53Graham Stephan:What's, like, the craziest thing you've seen or gotten? Hmm. There's just, like, it's been so much. Like, I don't know off the top of my head. I truly don't. Is there, like, one that stands out to you where, like, what was that? I mean, actually, yes, there is one. There's always one, dude. There's always one that goes on. Dude, that's funny. It reminds me of something I'll share in a sec. This is the craziest. Yeah, I got one too. So this was last year when we had the bop house. And we're at the Super Bowl, okay? And I'm messaging. And I see pictures of my Airbnb being sent to me. And I'm like, what is happening?

58:27Like, how are you getting these photos? A fan broke into our Airbnb while we were at the Super Bowl taking photos inside of our Airbnb and sending them to me through OF. So that was crazy. That is pretty bizarre. That's the craziest thing. Wow. That's the craziest thing. So I had someone request feet pictures from me on Instagram. and I'm going to be completely honest. I personally don't care. Like if they asked for feet pictures, I'd be like, sure, like how much? You can sell a lot of feet pictures. Look, I'm just saying, for me, it's so easy and I don't see it as anything that's weird because for me, feet are feet.

58:55Graham Stephan:Yeah. And, you know, what they do with that is completely entirely up to them. Same thing goes for the shoes. Some guy offered to buy my shoes. I was like, look, if you're willing to buy me a new pair of shoes, I'm fine with it. And I was like, you know what? This is more of a hassle than what it's worth. I don't want to tell him my address to ship these shoes. Yeah. Anyways, the feet picture. He said he'll send me like 50 or 100 bucks for a picture of my feet. I said, sure. And I was like, what, just like a picture of the top of my feet? And he was like, no, something like this. And he sent me an example.

59:18And I just said, no. Yeah. I was like, I'm so done with this. I am not doing this. That's not a foot picture. That's what I said. I said, how in the world is this a foot? And you think I'm going to do this for 50 bucks? Yeah. Or 100 or whatever it is? How much would that cost? Obviously, you'd be clothed. Yeah. Oh, I would be clothed? Yeah, clothed. So I'm clothed in a slatted... Dude, that would turn into a meme. I would be... Imagine someone asked me for an actual foot picture and that's what I send, assuming that that's a foot picture. That just makes me look clinically insane. I would probably do that...

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1:00:50Graham Stephan:What is that going to do for you in your life? It's easy. Yeah,$100 ,000 just for taking a put picture? It's just not going to change my life. Well, in a very privileged way, that will not change my life. And so, like, for me to... It's such a low effort. If it's a picture of my feet that's different, then, like, that is such a compromised state. For me to sit like that, it is so vulnerable. Like, I don't know. What if someone walks in, you know, when I'm taking the picture? How do I explain that? They'll high-five you. How do you explain it? Someone's paying me a lot of money for this photo. Would I do it for$100 ,000?

1:01:22I think you would, dude. You know what? Maybe. I would buy a costume. I would not be able to do it for$100 ,000 and not spend it on something. I would not do it for$100 ,000 just to throw in an investment account. You would need something. I would have to get something in return. You could save a lot of animals. I am not donating that$100 ,000. I am going straight into an used Audi R8 or something. It has to be. That's a good choice. Maybe I'll donate a little bit.

1:01:48Graham Stephan:What actually goes on behind the scenes when you're doing your week of working? For instance, I was in LA for a week. This past week, I came here strictly to just get collabs. I flew in first day. I didn't do anything just because that's my travel day. I don't like doing anything on a travel day And then the second day I woke up and I I don't remember exactly what I did in the morning But I'm I get ready. That's the first thing I wake up and I get ready And then i'll go grab coffee and then i'll get like snapchat content for it or something getting coffee Like I vlog everything like every single part of my life while i'm working like while i'm in that zone and I'll just go to these different places and I'll take pictures of me there and I'll do this just for Snapchat.

1:02:32And then I'll make TikToks while I'm there in these places. I'll get two or three TikToks at a location that I'm at. And it's really funny because I'll ask like if a fan comes up to me and they know me and they take a picture with me, sometimes I'll be like, you want to be in my TikTok with me? Just so it's, you know, it's different. And they love it every single time they say yes. It's great. I love, I love meeting people on the street that know me. And, um, And then I collabed with Brekkie Hill. That was really awesome. She came over to my Airbnb, but she's also on the site. But we just did TikToks together and we got an Instagram post and that was that.

1:03:01And then I went to bed and I wake up and I do it all over again. I'll go somewhere, you know, get some Snapchat content. I'll do TikToks halfway through. And then I collabed with Ari. I collabed with Tara's World while I was here. Who's Ari in Tara's World? Ari, I'm going to totally butcher her last name. Kitsuki? I mean, I don't know. She's also a TikToker and she's on the site. and Tara's World, she's on TikTok and also on the site. Most of the people you're collabing with are on OF. Yes, yes. But these, we were just making TikToks. We didn't make any content for the site. Running a business is genuinely one of the most exciting things in life, but it can come with a bunch of unrelated tasks

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1:06:06Oh, yeah. I love it. I love it so much because I know when I go home, that's what I really enjoy is being at home. Is going home. Is going home and like not doing anything. I love that so much. And I think that's something I look forward to. But I love meeting new people. I had such a great time in L.A. Like I met literally I met so many new people and made so many new connections. So now next time I come to L.A., like I'll have already stuff lined up for me. You know, it's great. In your downtime, what do you do? In my downtime, I'm just on my on my phone, on social media, scrolling Pokemon. It's another big thing I do.

1:06:36I love playing, uh, you know, games on my computer. I have a PC at home or I'm taking care of my farm animals. I have two goats, I have a donkey and I have 12 cows. So I'm either outside with them or I'm doing something around my house because, you know, they don't tell you about being a homeowner. You got to do everything yourself. Like, I don't know why I just, I didn't think about that, but I've always got something wrong with my house too. Like my stove's broken right now. My house has been leaking propane for like the past three weeks. So that's fun.

1:07:04Graham Stephan:So how much is real in terms of the marketing versus how much is I played up for the marketing? Because I saw that that Nelk interview and I saw people giving you some crap about the age thing saying you were like 21 and 23. I think I think a lot of it is honestly real. And I think that the only thing that isn't real is those little things that people have pointed out just because when I started doing this, the number one thing that I can remember that everyone told me like back at my job my you know when I had conversations with my friends trying to start it protect your privacy was the number one thing I heard don't put out your real name don't put out your real birthday don't put out your real age don't put out anything real about you so people can find you and you know come to you because you know on the site like obviously men are wanting to have sex with me you know like that's why they come to my site and I think that a lot of people don't think about that that it can be very dangerous posting all of this stuff out there.

1:07:58And I try to be as safe as possible just because I don't want to. I mean, I obviously don't want to put myself in any bad predicament. And I think that it's just my number one main privacy concern. And that's why I do that.

1:08:09Graham Stephan:Has doing this affected the way you see relationships? Oh, yes. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I'm still looking for a boyfriend. I don't have a boyfriend. I think it's really hard for me to find a boyfriend now just because everyone knows me. And every time I try to go on a date, they know who I am. But how are you? How are you looking for people? I mean, just obviously like going out and I'll meet someone and I'll talk to them and then they're like, oh, I know you and Sophie Ryan. And then I'm like, OK, like. Would you ever date a fan? Depends. It really depends. Like I'm just waiting for the right time.

1:08:37Obviously, like like I don't really have like I know this is going to sound really bad to say, but like I don't really have standards. Like I'm not looking for someone who's beautiful and six foot five and has a great personality. I just want them to make me happy and laugh. And like that's all I care about.

1:08:50Graham Stephan:Do you think your earnings would go down if you have a boyfriend? Um, I don't think so. Honestly, I would I don't think so. I really, truly don't. I think they would. You think so? I think some of the appeal is that you're single. That there's a chance. That there's a chance that like, hey, it could be me. And so I think as soon as you get a boyfriend, I think a lot of people are gonna say, ah, now I'm unsubscribing. That definitely makes sense. But I do know a lot of creators who have significant others in the space and they're still very successful. Do they keep it a secret? No, not not most of them.

1:09:22No. So what has this taught you maybe about men that could conflict with how you see relationships? I mean, obviously, like, I don't want someone who's heavily on social media just because I don't want them to already have an opinion formed about me without meeting me. So I think that's my biggest concern. And I'm just waiting for the right person to come.

1:09:45Graham Stephan:Would you ever date a guy who asks you to quit? honestly probably if it's like truly like true love and like i really am in love with this guy and he doesn't like what i'm doing i i probably would even if you're making like 40 or 50 million dollars a year consistently and the dude's just like i can't handle it i don't want you to do that probably yeah just because the another thing i'm doing with my money is i'm trying to also create new income sources i'm trying i'm starting up a business it's not great yet but it's what's the business it's a construction business construction yes it's a construction business that's not what i would expect well okay in my little what is it town that i live in um there's no construction business if we're like it's kind of like a barn you build barns that's the great thing like you can take this and do other avenues so i think that that's what i would do like i would just obviously put my attention onto something else like i really want to own a bakery one day i feel like that would be really cool do you think it skews your mind though to make so much money and then go to a bakery no and then look at like the p &l and like oh man i have a lot of pride in my work ethic i love like having something to do i think that i would just do it just to have fun like honestly i would do it for fun and i really want to like have it be like some profitable or non-profitable place essentially like that was something i was thinking about was like open opening a bakery for homeless and like they can just come in and get a free meal if they wanted to.

1:11:08Obviously, I'm not making money from it, but like I don't need more money, you know, like I'm perfectly comfortable where I am right now. Have you noticed in dating that there have there been any instances where you started talking to a guy and then they realized that you did OF and then they had a problem with that? Like, has that been an obstacle in talking to guys? No, I've only ever like doing like since being on the site. I think I've gone on like three dates. And how did you meet these people? I think one of them was at a casino somewhere. And then it was just like in random places like where I travel.

1:11:41It was never online or through social media.

1:11:43Graham Stephan:And they would just come up to you, talk to you, not knowing who you were. Well, sometimes they play it off like they don't know who I am. And then I see that you're following me on Instagram. Like, that's just don't lie to me. Are these just like normal people or are they like successful in their own? Like just normal people out in the wild, I guess you could say. I don't really go on dates. Have you noticed that guys maybe get insecure when they see how much money you're making and feel like, oh man, I could never live up to that? I've never noticed that personally. No, not me personally. But I could definitely see how that could be an issue.

1:12:19Do you think that there could be any sort of psychological impact on your brain having millions of people constantly praising you and telling you how beautiful you are and paying for pictures of you? could that like there's this thing online called pretty girl syndrome where like it could lead to a girl kind of seeing the world for not what it truly is because they've been sort of white gloved their whole life um I definitely think that is a possibility for a lot of people me personally no like I grew up like I said I grew up very poor like me and my family we were low low class and like I've seen obviously the ugly and I've seen the great side so I think that I like proud.

1:12:59I'm proud of my maturity. I know what's right and what's wrong. And obviously, I am very successful and I'm very blessed. And I used to not be. And it's hard, that balance. But I love that I used to live like that because I could see it and I experienced it. So on the pretty girl syndrome, what would you say are the main problems with today's modern men and modern women? Education. I think a lot of us are not as educated as we should be. And that goes for both men and women. I just also think that the school system sucks and that's something that we should work on. Let's see. Like if you just look to like your friends out there that you've had over the past like decade, what have been some consistent patterns you've recognized?

1:13:43We're like, oh, well, this maybe could be improved. Same goes for men. Attention span. A lot of people don't have an attention span anymore, I've noticed from TikTok. talk. But not not really anything like I don't ever look at anything negatively. Like I only see the positives in life. Like I really try not to. So that could be something right there. That is true. Is that some people look about look about the negative of something when they should be seeing the positive. That is true. I also just believe that like like why am I going to try to find something that will make me unhappy? Like I just I try every single day to be happy because I know what it's like to be unhappy.

1:14:16And I don't ever want to feel like that ever again. like it sucks it really does so i just try to live every day like you know nonchalant what do

1:14:23Graham Stephan:you think is the longevity of your career how long do you expect to do it for honestly i'm gonna just keep going until people forget about me like i love posting online like i think it's so much fun and i think one day that people aren't gonna know who sophie rain is anymore because the new generation will come in and there'll be this new big platform that comes out now everyone goes to that and i think that that's perfectly fine like i think you know everything evolves and everything happens for a reason and change is good. So I honestly, I give myself probably another two to three years before something big else happens online.

1:14:53Graham Stephan:And what do you think about AI creators? Obviously, AI is very bad. AI sucks because it's affecting climate change. And I think it's stupid. Like, I truly think it's I don't know why we're doing that. What do you mean by it's affecting climate change? Well, because generative AI, it uses gallons. It uses a lot of electricity, but so do private jets. That is true. That is very also true. And I know that is very bad. And I'm trying to do less on my PJ. But I also think that like you have PJ who's only, you know, not everyone can fly a PJ. And then you have AI. Everyone is currently using AI right now.

1:15:28So you think AI is bad insofar as it affects climate change? Yes, 100 percent. Uses millions of gallons of water a day. And I think that, you know, it's 97 degrees here and it's March. Do you think that we should completely stop our production of AI? I think that there's good AI and I also think that there's bad AI. I think generative AI is awful, obviously. Have you all seen the fruit Love Island thing that's going on on TikTok right now? No, what is that? It's a whole AI TV show of just these fruits and it's like Love Island. And it has millions of likes and people are just sitting here eating this content up.

1:16:00Graham Stephan:What's wrong with that, though? Because it's generative AI. It's harming society. Why? I think everything is going to AI. So my whole thought is that in 10 years, you're not going to be able to differentiate between you and AI on OnlyFans. Oh, I think that that's now. And I see these videos of these dudes that are just like dancing. And then like split screen is like some attractive woman at the bottom. And then like some dude with a belly is just like kind of dancing at the top. You have no idea. And they're making, I remember one where apparently. Dr. Mike? What? Have you seen the Dr. Mike ones?

1:16:32Graham Stephan:No. Oh, God. Okay, what were you saying? No, I remember one where some lady lost her following because it was exposed that she was actually a man the entire time, but was using the facial. AI? Yeah. Yeah. See, that I don't agree with. I don't agree with any of that stuff, but I think that we can use AI in great ways for research and stuff like that. Like Gemini, I think, is the new AI on Google. I love Gemini. I think that's great, but it's not as harmful as, you know, generative AI. I just think everything is going to AI. I think movies are going to AI. I think so, too. I think that it's inevitable.

1:17:07Graham Stephan:Podcasting at some point. Maybe we could be replaced, and it knows us well enough that we could have this whole conversation. AI. Have you seen, like, that thing where you can put in, like, a topic and it creates a whole podcast on it? Yeah. So far, they suck. Okay. I haven't tried it out. We've used a lot of the AI features. But I've seen it. A lot of them are really bad. Yeah. Well, give it a year, and I'm sure it's going to take over. Yeah. This is the worst it's ever going to be, is what Chris Camillo would say. Like right now, as good as it is, it's the it's only going to get better. Yeah, exactly.

1:17:37Graham Stephan:But do you think that's a threat to people who want to make a living on OF? I mean, 100 percent. I definitely think that there's concerns about it just because now there's, you know, you have someone making AI content who isn't a real person putting out false content because it's not a real person. And I just think that it's unfair to people who are actually online and who actually are posting on social media and not being not an AI character. What do you think of the syntax that they were considering implementing in Florida? I think it's ridiculous. I think that it's a little silly. And it was honestly like it sucked to hear that just because like syntax isn't some taboo thing either.

1:18:18Like syntax exists. It exists in states like New York. And I think California has syntax on stuff like alcohol and cigarettes, stuff that has proven to have harm on your body. I think that syntax on someone online is a little silly just because, you know, like anything on the Internet can be harmful. But like, I just I don't know. I don't understand like the point of it. I really don't.

1:18:41Graham Stephan:So he wanted it was a 50 percent tax, right? 50 percent tax on my income. And he claims that he was going to give it back to teachers. And I agree. I definitely like I said earlier, I think that we should put more of our money into schooling and, you know, investing into teachers. But I think that there's way better ways than attacking one, you know, creator because I've only been the only one ever called out. Yes. He says that he's going to tax everyone in the state of Florida on OF 50 percent. And I don't think that he puts an account because there are people on OF, you know, just doing it to make grocery money for that week.

1:19:11Graham Stephan:You know, I remember you liked my Twitter post. Which one? I made the argument that he was giving you a lot of publicity. Yes. And I definitely, I mean. Or randomly saw like, wait a second, she liked this post. I mean, he went from the bottom of the polls to second running after talking about me. So like it definitely, I think it's a whole publicity stunt. Do you think you were benefiting him by responding to him? Or do you think he was benefiting you by drawing attention to you? And maybe some people are like, oh, let me check this out. Honestly, it's probably, it goes both ways. I think that I was also benefiting him.

1:19:40I think he was benefiting me at the same time, just because, you know, Whenever you talk about someone, you're going to go check out who they're talking about. But I think the whole idea is a little silly in that he's not as well educated in the new modern social media world just because, like I've been explaining here, like OF, it's a huge platform and you can do anything you want on there. It doesn't have to be content. And I think that that gets, you know, mistranslated with a lot of people because there's people, you know, doing OF just to make side money and you're going to tax them 50 percent of that when they have another job.

1:20:12And I pay taxes also. It's not like I don't pay taxes. I paid my fair share in federal taxes last year. And I'm I mean, I would be more than happy to pay extra taxes if it meant going to the teachers. But I know it's not going to. I know it's not going to. And like also like there's definitely, you know, other, you know, bigger people that you could tax. Like there's multiple billionaires who are paying zero dollars in taxes.

1:20:35Graham Stephan:A lot of that's unrealized gains, though. Whatever that means. But I don't know what that means. It's so funny because you're going to be defending the billionaires. You're going to be defending like the OF people. I think the billionaires add so much economic benefit that if anything, I think we should have an opposite tax rate. The more money you make, the less you pay in tax. Ready to transform your career in real time from where you are? Brown University's flexible online master's programs will help expand your business influence and your network in just 16 months. Choose from management, business analytics, or organizational leadership programs that will prepare you for today's most pressing business challenges without putting your life on hold.

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1:21:50Graham Stephan:Imagine that. Or if you make a certain amount of money, if you could prove that you pay out a certain amount or create a certain amount of jobs. Like economic output. Economic output. You could reduce your taxes by less than say, hey, you hire 10 people. That's a hard thing to measure. Technically speaking, it's not a bad idea because dollar to dollar, you're going to be helping out the gross economy more. Yeah. But I don't even know. I mean, I also think that like I believe that I also help out the economy a little bit because I saw a tweet from Fishback saying that like. some I think it was about the billionaires being taxed and that they actually like put stuff into the world like they create jobs and stuff and it's not like I'm not you know I'm not doing anything I pay photographers every single week to come take photos of me you know local photographers I rent out studios to go to like I'm putting money back out there you know it's not like I'm keeping it all to myself and I also I employ people I have a whole business now that I run behind the scenes and that's another thing like I wouldn't have been able to do that without being on OF.

1:22:46And I think, you know, many, you can become an entrepreneur from this. I'm using it as a gateway essentially to try and do bigger projects. When people ask you, what do you do for a living? What do you say? I say social media. You say social media as opposed to OF. I just say social media because I do social media. I do TikTok also. I'm on YouTube. I also do Snapchat. It's not just OF I'm on. I'm on the entire. Part of me thinks it would be interesting if you said you ran a construction company. I think that would actually. Or a bakery. Well, she actually does run a construction. I like the construction company.

1:23:18Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. It's not anything great yet. We've been running for a year. I do it with my family and my dad helps a lot with it. But we just do like little local jobs and, you know, we just can't keep up with it right now because we can't find anyone to work. Unfortunately, we have really good people that work for us currently, but we want to expand, but we can't expand because we can't find people to work. So explain the Bophouse. The Bophouse was created by me and Aisha. We made the Bophouse so we could, you know, essentially live together and support one another. So we had this idea that us and our friends should get together.

1:23:50We got into this house. And basically the whole idea for the Bophouse was to support one another. We obviously are all doing the same thing. We're all on the same site. We're posting TikToks together. And it also is a giant ecosystem. We bounce off each other. We all post a TikTok with everyone in it and they get traction. and they post a TikTok with me and I get traction. You know, it's I feed you, you feed me type of thing. And it was great. It worked out awesome. Like I had such a great time. We haven't been together recently, but I think we're going to go on a group trip somewhere soon so we can make more content together.

1:24:25Do you live in the, no, you don't live in the Bop House. I don't live in the Bop House. But people do. Yeah. Who owns the Bop House? It's not, I mean, right now it's not a thing anymore because we were just renting it and the lease was up. But we all collectively like paid the rent every month. How much was the rent? I think the total amount was$60 ,000. Six D? Yeah, six zero. Wow. 60 ,000.

1:24:46Graham Stephan:Big house in Florida, right? Yes, it was a penthouse in Miami. Wow. It was awesome. I had a lot of fun. We lived there for probably like six months out of the year altogether, all at once consecutively. Was it a good investment? Like you saw a clear return on that expense? I definitely think so. I think so. I think it was a great investment. People definitely like grew their pages a lot from that. And that's all that mattered to me. And yeah, I would do it again if I had the opportunity. What do you think about what Jack Doherty is doing? What is he doing? So my understanding is that he has a house.

1:25:18Graham Stephan:He gets these creators on. And the criticism is that he advertises towards a lot of like young kids. I don't. I think I have him blocked on everything. Why is that? Because I just can't stand him. Him and like people like Clavicular. I just can't stand those guys. What do you like about Clavicular? Did you see when he got frame-mogged? By the ASU frat leader. Or were you? Did you see that? Like, if you told that to a Victorian child, like, I think that they would just have a heart attack. What does that even mean? But did you see it, though? What does that mean? Did you see it? No. You haven't seen him get frame-mogged?

1:25:46No, what is that? This is going to be a first.

1:25:47Graham Stephan:Jack, can you pull it up? Yeah. You're going to see him get frame-mogged by the ASU frat leader. I don't even want to see him. That is crazy. I cannot stand Clavicular. Or Jack Doherty. They're just like, I don't know. They're just, I don't think that they have great morals. Frame-mogged. What does frame-mogged mean? Like, the guy looks better than him? There was a frame of the video. There was a frame of the video where this guy, I don't know what his name is, but he has, he's frame-mogging him because his shoulders look huge. And clavicular looks honestly a little bit nervous. Suboptimal. Subhuman.

1:26:20He looks subhuman in this image because he's getting frame-mogged. Y 'all are very well versed into this clavicular guy. How does that make you feel? Not that we're well-versed, but that he got frame-loved. Oh, uh... That's how I feel? Was it heartbreaking? Oh, yeah, it was heartbreaking. Did you see the group that tried to avenge him? No, but I did see the video of him hitting some guy with his car, and that's why I don't like him. I think he ran over the guy. Oh, like completely ran over? That's what it appeared to be. What did that make you feel? I just, you know, don't hit people with your cars.

1:26:49I don't think that's cool.

1:26:51Graham Stephan:I saw another crazy clip. Some girl slapped him really hard. And then he had his security pull her aside and press charges, call the police. Where'd that go? Believe he's suing her. Wow. He also has a hat that it has very derogatory terms on it. What does it say? The N-word. Oh, wow. He loves wearing that hat during his dreams. What's your thought on the whole like Manosphere space? Manosphere? Yeah. Like the Andrew Tate's Fresh and Fit. Justin Guller. Segment of your hat. I don't like it. I obviously just I think it's a little silly to try to put, you know, those values out there. But, you know, they're killing it in the game.

1:27:28And I think that it's great that they're online and they're like I said, they're killing it. They've gained a lot of traction. I don't like them personally, but I would never like wish downfall on any of them. And so Jack Doherty, though, you're not a huge fan of them. I'm not a huge fan of Jack Doherty. I've never met him. I've just obviously heard things and kind of like the same thing with Clavicular. I don't like him because like he did bad stuff that I've seen online, but I've never met the guy. But yeah, I just don't like them. Simply. What about the Island Boys? The Island Boys? They were on a million dollars a month.

1:28:01Did they have blonde hair? They're the brothers.

1:28:03Graham Stephan:The Island Boys. The Island Boys. Yeah, the ones with the candlestick hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those ones. I mean, I haven't like, I've never, I don't think I've ever seen a video of them like actually talking, but. I mean, they're cool, I guess. I like their tattoos. Would you quit for an extra hundred million dollars? An extra$100 million would I quit? I would be stupid not to. Are you joking? $100 million? Really? I feel like if you just make that in another year and a half, two years. I mean,$100 million right now. Like, am I being taxed on the$100 million? Or do I, like... I would say, like, let's just say after taxes, it's$70.

1:28:37Okay, then probably not. But if I'm getting the full$100 million, like, no tax?

1:28:41Graham Stephan:$70, no. $100, yes, you would quit. Yeah, because that's three digits, you know, better than two digits. Do you know what your net worth is today? No. No idea. If you had to guess. Probably like 5 million? 20 million? No. 5 to 20? 5 to 20? No, it has to be more than that. I don't know. I don't know. Like, I'm not like, that's why I pay someone to do all of my financial stuff for me. I don't know anything about this kind of world. I was going to guess it has to be 50. Okay. I was like 5 to 20 was my guess somewhere. It has to be higher than that. I pay a lot like in taxes though. So like, I don't know.

1:29:12Yeah, but if you made up. I don't have that much.

1:29:14Graham Stephan:If you know, well, let's, we do the math. I'm basically taking your total income. subtracting taxes, subtracting living expenses and other discretionary spending. Then I'm adding in the fact that you've been investing the money an extra 15 % over the last two years, which is on the conservative side of things. And that takes me to 43. Okay. The thing is that people, and we've noticed this on the podcast, will spend so much time, like Togi. You know who Togi is? Wow. People will spend, and now people are going to just think that we're name dropping you guys know who togi is right togi okay togi okay i like togi i'm like people are just gonna think that we're name dropping but like this makes it makes sense in the context he will spend so much effort making as much money as possible and if he just spent five to like three percent of that effort to understand investing and understand savings and budgeting and net worth and appreciation growth stuff like that then he'll earn more spending in that 3 % of time he spends learning that than if he were to spend that working.

1:30:19And the same thing would go to you. If I ask you what's your net worth and you're saying between 5 and 20, that shows to me that you have no idea what's going on financially, which is insane to me because if you're grinding so, so, so hard to try to get to someplace financially, you could just spend a little extra time or even trade the time and work a little bit less, but spend a little bit of time understanding your finances and that you'll make more money doing that and it's not even close like like five times more money doing that i literally have considered like taking a college course online you don't need to do that you don't even need to like literally find someone that's financially literate the money talk to them for honestly the money talk to the money guys talk to gram talk to me i need to because i really want to learn in 10 minutes like even after this podcast we can go over it like in 10 minutes you should you should have a basic understanding of where you're at because if you're saying between five and 20 imagine after imagine after you grind for five years i guess that is pretty big and you learn that you have 10 million dollars what are you gonna say where did it all go right yeah like why did i grind so hard well that could be the reality you don't know how much these people these money people that are like working with you are taking would you would you be able to say what percent they're taking that's the thing you have like and they could be taking some crazy percent where like if you just spend a little bit more time finding someone else or seeing what they're investing and what if they're investing in really bad stuff like i don't like i see like i don't know any of this just get a third party fiduciary

1:31:47Graham Stephan:to look it over for you fiduciary yeah someone who's on your side or just a third party yeah yeah who has no financial interest in how you're doing okay just to look it over and say hey thumbs up this is good or hey these things are questionable like we uh had on another person who had a very successful career thought they made all this money and then realized wait a second the person I trusted with my money ended up squandering all of it. And I owe taxes that I don't have. So he was actually negative net worth after it was RJ Mitty who was on Breaking Bad, like a main star on Breaking Bad. And he was like in severe financial duress.

1:32:28So I definitely, I need to open a book or something. Well, someone needs, you don't need to open a book. It's so simple. It's actually so simple. It's like, it's not though. It is. It is so simple. I will explain to you in five minutes, not now after the podcast. Or maybe we could, yeah, we should just do it after the podcast. We'll do it after the podcast. But anyways, it would be so worth it to spend just a small percentage of your time instead of working to just understand your finances. And once you understand it, you're good. You're good for like the next month. It's a few basic principles.

1:32:54I feel like I'm like 50-50 with it. Like I kind of understand it. It really sounds like you're like 595 when it's 5 to 20. 5 to 20.

1:33:02Graham Stephan:I could see like 15 to 20. Okay, fine. Because market fluctuations. and maybe valuations. But fine, the 20 is big. When you're making this much money, it shouldn't be less than 25. If it were less than 25, I would say we actually got to figure out where's it going. Yeah, see, I don't know. Who's controlling it and what are they doing with it? I don't know. Obviously, I don't want to talk about it too heavily on the podcast. Yeah, we'll discuss more later. What would winning look like to you in 10 years? Winning to me look like in 10 years, I want to be on my farm still like I want to take care of my animals like that's what I want to do I eventually want to have like horses I want to have a big cattle herd and that's what I want to do I want to wake up every day and like kind of be a farmer I guess like that's what my grandparents did that's what my grandpa did I grew up watching him do that he raised pigs his entire life and like that's just kind of what I want to do I love being you know in the southern I guess you could say you should get fish I love fishing.

1:34:05Graham Stephan:Koi. I have koi, actually. Really? I do. They're not koi. They're koi goldfish. I probably have like 50 of them in my pond out front. So what you should do, go to Japan, and they have these entire koi farms. And you could go there and actually pick out your koi. And aren't they like$100 ,000? They can be. I was going to say, aren't they like super expensive? It depends on the size and the type of koi. I saw Jake Paul, he bought koi fish. He did. I saw that. Yeah. Like a big gold one or something. Yeah. So I've seen the fish that were there, and I've seen them at like$50 ,000 to$100 ,000. But honestly, the ones that are like$5 ,000 to$10 ,000 look 90 % the same thing.

1:34:41Graham Stephan:And it comes down to all, it's like the scales and the marbling. It's crazy. Like who has, I don't know, who has time to count the scales on a fish? It's just insane. And it's the lines. They want really distinct lines and colorations that don't bleed into one another. Because once they bleed into one another, the value goes down. You've done your research on that. Oh, he loves fish. I spent a whole day with the koi farmers in Japan, and they taught me everything about koi. It's actually really sad. Go ahead. I'll tell you. Go ahead. Now that I got to say it. The amount of fish that they kill.

1:35:12Oh.

1:35:13Graham Stephan:Because they only want the ones that have certain colorations. And that's like a small percentage of the fish that they breed. So they breed hundreds of thousands of fish, but they might only keep a few hundred of them. It's kind of like Pokemon cards. So they'll kill like 100 ,000. They call them calling. They cull the fish. They don't kill. It's culling. Why do they call it that? Less harsh than killing fish. In fairness, I think some of them are ground up, and I think they're reused for something. But to get that one fish, that one fish is probably one in 100 ,000, when you really think of that as the show fish.

1:35:52Graham Stephan:And then those fish will end up breeding, but the offspring, they could be any color. And so it's only a small, But you see them in different sizes. And apparently, when they start off small, they'll change coloration as they get bigger. So there's also a chance. You spend$5 ,000 on a fish. And then by the time it's three times the size, it's color changed and it's worthless. Hold on a sec. We have to understand this private jet. Okay. Yes. Okay. Because your manager chimed in and he said the amount you spend on private jets is unacceptable. I guess. I guess. I don't like, I don't know. Whenever I travel, like, I don't count it, I guess, just because I love traveling.

1:36:32That doesn't count. That's girl math. That's girl math. I guess that's girl math. It's girl math. But I did spend, like, I don't even want to say this because it's so embarrassing. I spent$78 ,000 on a private jet to bring my entire family onto a vacation. And I think that that was valid. That's something I wanted to do. You could afford it.

1:36:51Graham Stephan:I think if anyone could get a private jet, it's you and actually justify it. thank you if anyone could anybody in the entire world yes it would it would have to be it's good because the the safety is increased also if you are spending your money in any way taking your family on a vacation is the best it was and we had so much fun like they've i think my like the last time my mom has flown anywhere was years prior to that so like her first experience back flying was on a pj like it was just so much fun that's all i want to do is like i just want to spoil them. That's seriously all I want to do.

1:37:23But I'm slowing down on my PJ spending. Yeah. The one here was 8K.

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1:38:10Again, that's tryqs.com slash podcast for 10 % off and free shipping. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. That's not even like a cheap house. I know, but it was like someone that I'm not close with. I feel like if you're going to ask for a house from someone, you're not just going to go to like a million. You're going to be like, oh, can I have like a condom? Yeah, exactly. You know, like$250 ,000. This is like someone that I like used to talk to and like they're a family friend and like we were really close, whatever.

1:38:39But like, I don't talk to you anymore. You're asking me for a million dollars. Did you cut it off with your day ones? No, I still talk to a lot of them, honestly. I still do. They're all very nice and supportive. There's been a couple people that, like, obviously, I should have just said no way back then. But I just, I hate saying no to people. I don't know. I spend a lot of my money on giving money to other people. Like, one of my old coworkers, I bought her a house. I did actually buy her a house. It was$300 ,000, and I just bought her a new car. and my friend who I used to you know go to school with I send him money every other week just because you know me and him weren't me and him were tight you know like he was he was there for me whenever I didn't have any friend in high school and uh shout out why didn't you have any friends in high school

1:39:30Graham Stephan:oh my god are you kidding because like no I was I don't know I was just so like this and like i was a weirdo like i really was like one of the weirdo kids i wore i don't let me just show you a picture of me let me just show you a picture of me from high school i just like i didn't talk to anyone i didn't have friends i didn't like i wasn't interested in things that people were interested in i was interested in pokemon like that's all i did it was like i had like a little pokemon backpack and i got made fun of it in middle school like i like i like that kind of stuff are you gonna show up to your high school reunion probably not probably not Who would I go see?

1:40:05Graham Stephan:Did you? No. I was out of town. Would you have? Yeah, I would have. I see a lot of the people on Facebook. I like keeping tabs of people. And just like when they post a photo, I'm like, you. Graham always goes, oh, this person really went downhill. That's what Graham always says. It's insane because you see two types of people. This was me and my friend in high school. No way. Yeah, that's me. No way. That's me. How did you lose all your weight? I started eating a lot better. Do you take Ozambic? No, never taken Ozambic. You never took any? I don't like needles. Oh, people were curious. That is unrecognizable.

1:40:41I know. Isn't it insane? Isn't it actually like genuinely insane? Have you talked about this before? Not really. No, but there's pictures of me like from high school. Like people that go to my high school now, currently they go in the yearbook and take photos of me.

1:40:53Graham Stephan:What motivated you? And like, how did you do it? Like, where did it start? I think it started after high school serving. I was putting in step serving. I would, I couldn't say no to people. I'd always pull doubles. I'd always say yes. If someone was calling out and they'd come to me and like, can you work for this person? I'd always say yes. So I was like working like 38 hour weeks every single week. And I really genuinely think it was just walking so much. Because before then, I didn't do anything in high school. I didn't like have any extracurricular activities. I was never on a team. I never did anything.

1:41:25I was just there, you know.

1:41:27Graham Stephan:And what about diet? um mcdonald's was my favorite place to eat at i love what would you order chicken nuggets 20 chicken nuggets was my og order but now i don't nothing else and fries and a coke and an apple pie because i like the apple pie mcdonald's it's so good but um i had a really bad diet i loved fast food and now i have a way better diet obviously i don't eat fast food 24 7 because that's what i used to eat 24 7 but yeah i just and it's been this photo was taken in 2017 wow this is honestly shocking yeah it's honestly it's just impressive yeah that is all yeah it really is like from a holistic view of your life it seems like you kind of have everything dialed down like you came with two people that are you're very close to and and that's really nice and it takes a village surrounding yourself with people is like the number one thing i recommend like surround yourself with people you know are going to support you and you're being generous with the people that have been generous to you which is really cool you're not like spending your money on lavish things the only thing would be like figuring out where you're at financially because that would be like yeah a better use of your time than honestly even working now at this point um but yeah i mean you seem like a pretty well-rounded person yeah thank you i feel i feel honestly i feel bad for the amount of hate that i just see in the comments but because it doesn't make any sense to me it doesn't make well the main thing people are going to hate on is the fact that like they see the whole of sphere as something that's very unethical and so like that's where the hate's coming from hate the people who buy it that's what i think it wouldn't exist if people weren't buying it that is true i guess you got a point there i think it goes both ways i don't know i think if they put half of the attention they put on that into their own life i think that would be beneficial for them i think that if i get you know If James Fishback becomes governor and if I get taxed 50%, I also think that the consumer should be taxed 50%.

1:43:22I think that... Yeah. Yeah. Well, it would probably go back to them. Right.

1:43:27Graham Stephan:I don't know how that would work. It would be a sales tax. Because an alcohol tax, cigarette tax, gas tax is paid by the consumer. And then, of course, they bake it into the price. But it's really the consumer that ends up paying. Either way. Either way. Sounds like you're doing a great job. The only thing is the finance stuff and definitely work on your pool game. that needs honestly it's really what y 'all say do this hand like yeah you were you you go and you start playing pool and the very first shot this is your your pool cue this is the ball and you go like this you go like you twinked it like it like went over the top does it make sense i don't know it just it made a twink sound i've never played sports i'm not athletic i've never been to the gym like i'm not like i don't do i don't know i don't you don't go to the gym either I've never been to the gym day in my life.

1:44:14I think I went. Actually, this is really funny. I went once and I was trying to best bench press. Is that what this is called? Just the bar. And I threw out my shoulder. So I've never been. The bar is pretty heavy. It's 45 pounds. It's really heavy.

1:44:25Graham Stephan:Honestly, you would do really well. Go to the gym with Togi. Okay. That video would do so well. Yeah. It would do crazy. I was supposed to go to. Or Steve would do it. Oh, Ilya's gym? No, LA something. LA Fitness. Ryan Garcia. Young LA. Is that what it's called? Is that a gym? Yeah. Well, I think it's like a brand. Honestly, I have no. Okay. Yeah. That was going to be my first official time in a gym. Yeah. Wow. So I don't work out. I'm not athletic. I never played sports in high school. But why not work out? You just don't like it? It seems like it'd be a high ROI. It seems like that would be one of the best things that you could do for like an hour a day to work out.

1:45:07Graham Stephan:I've been telling myself for three years to get into the gym and workouts because i do want to like tone but i don't know i'm just i'm comfortable where i am like i'm happy with myself diet is much more important they spend a lot of time working out in the gym but not very much on the diet yes diet is more important i would say was a hundred percent more important i mean i i haven't worked out and you saw i've lost so much weight just from eating better so yeah all right well that's it guys thank you thank you so much for watching thank you for being available and for making this happen. Thank you guys very much for joining over there.

1:45:39Thank you, Brandon, for listening in.

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