“I Regret Nothing!” Clavicular Exposes The Dark World Of Looksmaxxing, Attraction & Extreme Surgery

26:54It's like a, it's called a Laforte osteotomy. They cut along your interior nasal spine and then advance your jaw forward. It's like they actually have to break your jaw. Why? How many points do you think you're going to go up on the one through 10 scale after getting that surgery? 1.5. 1.5. How did you come to 1.5? What do you rate yourself out of 10? I don't, I don't. But if you move up one and a half, is that like out of 10? Yeah, I would say that that's generally how much people improve from BIMAX, from what I've seen. How much is that going to cost? $35 ,000. What's the recovery like? It's pretty brutal.

27:33I'd say for the first three weeks. Then after that, you just have residual swelling that kind of subsides over like a three to six month period. Has anyone tried to talk you out of this? Yeah, pretty much everyone, like parents and stuff like that, just copers, normies. The only thing that I see with you, again, just objectively, is that if you do the surgery, your views are going to shoot through the roof because people are going to want to tune in to see, okay, what happened? So you'll make the money back. So it'll be a free surgery. Yeah, no, of course. The downside is if the surgery goes wrong, in which case your views double from what they would be otherwise.

28:14but beyond just more of a shock factor yeah no i absolutely understand that perspective and um usually when people are trying to talk me out of the surgery they've uh you know often never heard of it before um so i've done a lot of research into this i wouldn't be choosing this like as a way to just like get attention and get views i like there's no way i would permanently disfigure myself for that reason. And I decided upon jaw surgery for reasons other than social media. Like I didn't start doing social media up until like a few months ago. Um, so I was already dead set on, on this course of action far before that.

28:52Do you think there could be a point though, where you do certain surgeries and it makes you less attractive? Like a lot of people lately have been talking about, uh, Bradley Cooper, right? He had a facelift or Zac Efron, right? Well, you know, Zac Efron is doing filler, which doesn't dissolve, it migrates, right? So you do filler into your cheekbones, slowly migrates down your face into your buccal region. It's just going to make you look like a bloated pig, right? So of course, you know, if you go about things the wrong way, if you go to surgeons, you know, incorrect procedures, yeah, that can happen.

29:29But it's, you know, people like myself's job to advocate for, you know, proper surgical intervention and actually doing things the right way. I would say overall as a message to spread, this could be good, but it's more than likely bad, at least to that degree. I'm curious if you were to spread a message to a million people. So know that some people will take it in the right way. Some people will take it in the wrong way. What is the exact message that you want to spread to them in terms of looks maxing in terms of what you're comfortable with? I think people should just be more aware of self-improvement in general, not necessarily, you know, taking it to the extreme that I do without, you know, going through the ringer with just stuff like getting lean, going to the gym.

30:18I think you should start there, see what you can accomplish and slowly build an understanding. And then, you know, you want to come back and take a look, like maybe things still aren't going so well for you because there is this huge purgatory zone where even like the average to above average looking man who's, you know, got a decent job, can't even find a sexual partner. Right. And that's been well researched. Like, um, two thirds of men, 18 through 21 haven't had sex in six months. Right. So it's, it's very difficult in today's society. So pushing the limits isn't necessarily something I'm, uh, super against advocating for, but I would say that you really have to know, uh, yourself as an individual to make sure you're not going to take things too far or go about it incorrectly.

31:00See, I don't think it's a looks thing. I don't think it's just like people are now all of a sudden more unattractive than they were in the past. I think it's more of just that people aren't talking. They're not making the effort. They're chronically online. And if they were to make an effort to go and talk to people in person and work on their personality, they would go so much further. Well, that's the thing. It's funny you mentioned chronically online because that's the problem. But for a reason that you might not have acknowledged is because you're not only competing with people in your immediate surroundings.

31:31You know, hypergamy would exist where maybe every single girl in a town would go for like, you know, the top five chads or whatever, but that's only in your town. Now with Instagram, you have competition with NFL football players sometimes, right? Because they're flying these girls out. It's sort of globalized dating. And that's an awful thing. if you're just like the average dude and you have to compete with, um, you know, like Tom Brady, who's DMing girlfriend on it. Like there's no, there's no way to win. Right. So that's why looks maxing. But then why not use that to your advantage? Why not be a dude who's interesting?

32:07He's posting great pictures on Instagram. And then you could become almost the same thing. No, as Tom Brady or like a football player. No, as someone who could get girls online too. No, no. It's about the status and not necessarily about like building a good Instagram profile. Even if you've got like a few thousand followers, like, um, you know, if someone like, you know, even myself with like the Instagram profile that I had, well, I guess before I got banned, we're like DM a girl. Um, it doesn't matter if my Instagram is like perfectly like NT and I'm like doing all these neurotypical, uh, and doing all these activities.

32:45It's just about the number and like the clout that comes with it. Okay. So this is a part where I would like to fight back a little bit. I do think that there's a little bit of like a self-selected group of people that live here in South Florida. For the record, we are at Ben Mala's place. Thank you, Ben. Thank you, Ben, for letting us be here. We're in South Florida. And I do think that the average type of person that lives here may look for different things than the average type of person coming out of, Arkansas or coming out of California or coming out of New York or coming out of Montana. Like they're all, you know, maybe if you do all of those things to the extreme measure, you're going to be more popular in this location with this type of person.

33:27But would you acknowledge that there are communities of people that have different interests? Yes. I would say that you're spot on with that. Miami is like the most degenerate city like I've ever lived even near. That's why I don't even, I can't even live in Miami. I have to live in Delray, each about an hour north, just because of how bad things are down there. But I didn't build this worldview in Miami. I only lived here for about two months. So these were observations that I began making living in my small town in Massachusetts, right? I noticed that from time to time, I would take interest in a girl, and she'd be followed by a ridiculous status mogger.

34:04And that was like, okay, this globalization of dating is really f***ing people over, you know? So that's kind of how I had figured that out. But maybe a girl that would take interest in a guy like that in the first place, would that be your first pick at a girl? Or once you realize, okay, your values are in this area, you know, maybe there's less compatibility. At least I know for myself, if I took interest in a girl and yet she was followed by all these DJs and she's following them, I'm like, ah, like, I don't really know if that's something I'm interested in. Right, but I mean, like, Like at the end of the day, women are always looking for like, you know, the next best thing.

34:41They're extremely hypergamous in nature. And, you know, maybe you're able to beat this, you know, issue and find a good girl who's maybe not even on Instagram. We're talking about a societal issue. I think it really just depends on the type of person you're talking to. Because it really depends on how they grew up, their priorities. Right. But he's saying it's a societal, broadly speaking. Yes. Bringing up a specific. Right. So I'm not sitting here suggesting that you can't find a girlfriend who's wonderful. You can't get married and start a great family in 2025. I'm just saying it's become increasingly difficult.

35:18And from the last generations, dating has really took a turn for the worse. And I am speculating that it's going to continue to become more and more hypergamous. So, you know, you're right that you can't find great girls with great upbeings. but just as a general rule of thumb, because I like to look at the black pill and lookism in a very societal sociological context. What's lookism? Lookism is just treating people differently based on their looks. So it's sort of like the halo effect. Yeah, it's like racism, but for looks. What are all these pills? I don't understand what a black pill is. The black pill is, it's an idea about genetic determinism, and it stems from like the matrix.

36:01Like you take the red pill and then you stop living in fantasy land. It's like the idea behind it. So like you could swallow all these different pills for like these different ideas and like you can kind of unlock them. So, um, you know, and, and people will make memes about it. They'll like, you know, say like you could, for example, take like the, uh, I don't even know, take like the haircut pill and just like to, to memefy the thing, like getting a haircut will say or something like that. Or like the pill would be like another just like meme version of it. And that would mean that like getting is the best thing you could do for your life.

36:40Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So like you're you're filled like you're you're in tune with that idea. So what's the difference between black and red pill? So black pill is like genetic determinism. It's saying like your life is going to go a certain way based on your genetics, whether or not you're good looking. And the red pill suggests that you could actually improve upon your base. You can change your life. And it's more of like a improvement mentality. And the black pill is more of like a doomer mentality. So the black pill is more correlated with the Lux Maxing space because a lot of it is like incels who have like a lot of, you know, self-resentment and kind of stuff like that.

37:21So that's why it's there. But I think black pill extremism is, um, and, you know, comes from extreme cognitive dissonance. They don't really understand the world at all. So I would say that I'm kind of like somewhere in the middle of like the red pill and the black pill. I think that a lot of what's suggested in the red pill, which is like, oh, you could just like go to the gym. Um, and you know, you'll be able to send your life, you know, but you're talking to people with like, you know, genetically low intellect who are extremely subhuman. Um, I think that thing that's, you know, very dishonest, but I definitely think that there's room for improvement for everyone.

38:00What's subhuman? Subhuman is a term that we use in like the Luxmax community for like a horrendously ugly people. And where would they fall on the scale of like one to 10? Is that like below a five? Yeah. Traditionally, like around like a three. can they not be subhuman like they could take themselves from subhuman to like optimal like what's the most that you could increase points from one to ten well that depends on whether or not puberty is in play because you could jump like let's say you're 25 you're 25 and you're subhuman 25 subhuman i would say that 10 to 15 percentiles would be like the maximum if you're to like looks max to the extent that i am but um besides that i'd say naturally Let's say you're naturally today, you're 25 and you're a four out of 10.

38:48It depends on like where we are. Like if we're like a fat, you know, acne-ridden jester, it's like, that's something that could be easily soft max. So that would be a huge jump. So it's all contextual. I don't think it would be something I could give like a general principle for. Do you think it's possible to go from a four to an eight? Once again, it's just very context-oriented. So I couldn't give you an answer there. but i would say that yeah sometimes it just depends on what's driving the scale up or down like if we were to take like i mean christian bale has even done that like when he uh goes for like movies like the machinist and get gets extremely skinny or what's the one where he got extremely overweight for for a movie role oh gosh i know the one you're talking about i yeah yeah regardless you guys get the idea and then you have them like for american psycho where he fully looks maxes so like that's a four to an eight.

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42:17So again, that link is down below. Enjoy. Why do you think you have become so popular over the past few months? The thing is for us, we are somewhat of like a self-improvement podcast. I like to think that people can tune in. They can learn something about finance. They can learn something about the gym. They can learn something about health, whatever it may be. That's what the goal is here. And obviously you've been rising in the ranks of like self-development extremely, extremely fast. So we just couldn't ignore you. We're like, okay, like, you know, this would make sense to have Clav on the podcast.

42:48But I'm curious, like why you have such an attractive personality to so many people out there? I would say because of my authenticity with everything that I do, even if it's something that might make me look or be perceived a little worse. Um, I just really don't care about like being like a PR trained influencer. Uh, I blow brand deals all the time, you know, just by, you know, being authentic. Um, I, I'm not like performative for the cameras. It's not like I have to go around having people like sign NDAs who are, you know, I'm hanging out with off camera because I'm the exact same person, um, regardless of what I do.

43:26And I would say that that offers like a huge advantage, um, based on like what people are used to with most influencers are like very performative. A lot of the time, like the virtue signal, um, about political issues and I'm like the complete opposite of that. So, um, people like that. And it's also something new that I'm, I'm mentioning because people have gone through, you know, the, the final boss of copes and they've done, you know, like pickup artists, like coaching and stuff like that, or they've done just regular fitness and their life hasn't really changed in the way that they were promised by a lot of the old people in the manosphere.

44:09And now I'm coming in and acknowledging like, wait a second, guys, maybe it's not your personality. Maybe it's not your game. It could be something a little bit deeper, you know, so offering that new perspective, I think has also risen me to fame. And as well as my speaking abilities. I think I could convey my message fairly well on podcasts. I tend to think it's just a bit of the, I'm going to go back to the extremism, that a lot of people look at you objectively and say, okay, you're a good looking guy who doesn't need to do these things. But then you're taking that already to an extreme at the same time that no one else is really doing the looks maxing thing to your degree.

44:48So you have like this first mover advantage with a really unique package and a really unique style to it and that's personally what i think it is because i remember when i first saw you i think it was you were at the gym and were like and i thought maybe you were joking about like snorting something before working out and i'm like what the there's no way and then you go down that rabbit hole a little little bit and then i realized like wait a lot of people are listening to you yeah so the the thing was like one of the more extreme Lux Max's. Once again, I heavily advocate against what was that?

45:22Well, to explain this for people who haven't seen it. So as I was rising to fame, right, I was like, okay, I really need to cash in and capitalize on this, like, you know, jump in exposure that I'm getting, you know, from a lot of different collaborations. So I was like, okay i need to ascend as quickly as possible so what i did was i suppressed my appetite to an extremely high degree with um so actual like we're talking about like the street no not sure we're talking like we're talking like adderall or we're talking like talking dextra so yeah um so it's it's not quite like adderall would be like dextraamphetamine yeah and dextra So like, what would the main difference between those two be?

46:12There's just the addition of the group, which makes it longer acting, more psychoactive, and just cross your blood brain barrier fairly quicker. And then what about the difference between that and street? Street has different isomers in it. So there will typically be like more L versus, you know, desoxone, which is like the dextro would be D. so just like the different isomers um kind of do different things like the owl isomer is much more of a like a physical like tweaker stimuli that's where you see like the hobos on the street tweaking off of l so do you think that establishing that distinction is important at all because i do wonder if you just say oh yeah i'm doing you know then kids are gonna watch and they're like okay like let me go over to this guy hanging out at the bottom of this fence and see what he's got you know because i'm trying to look like clav when in actuality it's not exactly that but obviously colloquially we always think of you know as that well yeah i mean i'm always uh very quick to clarify but the issue that you run into is people just clip things out of context so it's like um but also at the end of the day if you know someone stumbles across like short form media and they're like okay like i'm gonna start doing like that's just darwinism at the end of the day like you know what i mean so uh i'm not gonna sit here and act like i'm some like uh influencer like i'm not i'm not okay i'm not i've never claimed to be i'm just simply someone who uh doesn't like the inconvenience of having to uh conceal the the things that i do um when i'm a full-time live streamer so why did you do that though what was the objective what was the goal of facial leanness to get leaner to do what do you mean it's just start well also for like the psychoactive benefits right so uh increasing my productivity so when i was up and coming with like the whole streaming game and when i was doing my youtube videos i could just be more productive couldn't you do that with like pre-workout or coffee i mean yeah you could but i mean like it's comparing like you know creatine to you know did you get this idea of doing from anyone else online?

48:25No. So you came up with this. Um, yeah, pretty much. And what was the logic behind coming up with it? Like, how did you read a forum or where did that information come about? Um, well, I just, I mean, I've always been like kind of a stem maxer and I was like a stimulant user. Okay. So I'm a boomer. I would, I'm 35. And so it's like a new world. I would new language. Typically stim acts with, and that's just like, was a cope. That's like a physical stimulant. It's horrible for your heart. All right. You know, you're blocking the sodium channel. You could have a heart attack in a second and die.

49:06But a lot of the was often laced with like amphetamine salts anyway. And then I, for the first time tried a street, like when I would say like almost a year ago. And I was like, wow, this is like extremely longer acting. And I'm like, wow, like I haven't eaten in like a day. So that was, that was the only time I did because, um, you know, I was like, okay, I don't really want to do this. Like, this is, this is not great. And then, um, you know, as I started coming into more of reality, I was like, okay, like this is, I acknowledge it as bad, but like, I need to get lean as quickly as possible.

49:45So this is like kind of a weird, unique situation. And this is a weird method. Like I don't, how are you getting it? well, I mean, I'm not going to talk about sourcing, but once again, I heavily advocate against amulet usage. I think that if most people with their willpower get Adderall prescriptions, they're going to misuse them. They're going to just take Adderall to get high. So that's why I say like, do not take. So you would be, you're the exception that you feel like you could control it. Yeah. Well, I've got, I've got strong willpower, right? I mean, it's incredibly addictive. You see people's lives get quite literally ruined if you say you have strong willpower couldn't you have the willpower then just to get the work done without them well there's no reason to do so um you know because it's it becomes more optimal to do it a certain way so just makes no sense to when's the last time you did uh i'd say about two weeks ago i've been i haven't done any i haven't been drinking and i always do that like as like um you know a tolerance break and just kind of a litmus test to see like, okay, like I'm still good.

50:51Like I'm not actually like dependent on stimulants. So I'm just like, oh, okay. I'm not going to take any stimulants. I'll do no caffeine even for like a while. Um, just to kind of reset myself. What are the things you've done along the journey of looks maxing that you would not recommend for the viewers? I would say that that's probably a big one. Stimulants for appetite suppressants. Uh, I would not advocate for that. I would say that the testosterone thing, to a large degree, you can wind up yourself over because the aromatization into estradiol can actually cause your growth plates to close prematurely.

51:27So if you're not carefully managing that aromatization, taking something like an aromatase inhibitor, you could wind up actually screwing yourself quite significantly. Is there anything that you've done that you regret doing? Hmm. Is there anything that I regret doing? Hmm. There's nothing that like went horrendously wrong per se. Is there anything you wouldn't do again? Not really. I mean, just like the higher doses of testosterone. I wouldn't have done Tran again. I did Tran for like two or three weeks and that caused my hair to really like take a big hit. I mean, I recovered, but like Tran, I definitely regretted.

52:03What would you consider to be too far? I don't really think that there's, it's like going too far unless you're causing detriment to your health, unless something is, looks manganating you in another metric. So it's like, I don't really understand that premise. Do you think that that would do detriment to your health? Well, in high doses, it's extremely neurotoxic. Yeah. Dopamine toxicity is a very real thing.

52:34So And yeah, it's neurotoxic. I heard on Bradley Martin, you were doing stuff to your downstairs. Yeah, I was doing like shopping bag hanging and like pumping. I haven't really been P.E. maxing since I just - What is that? Penis enhancement. I haven't been doing that as of lately, but that was something I did last year in 2024. How do you, is there like a forum that you see this? Yeah, r slash getting bigger. I could refer to like Leon Longevity, does a lot of stuff, Connor Murphy. I would say are more like veteran, like PE maxers to refer to. I certainly have made content about it and sort of the things that I did, but I wouldn't really classify myself as like an expert in that field.

53:17Jack's been told that it doesn't really matter how big it is. Just it's how you use it. Well, there's like what women say and like what they actually do. So on soft maxing, because I like talking about this because I think it's something that I have a more strong endorsement of. You're not like permanently changing anything about your body. you're just trying to get in better shape you're maybe trying to i don't know do some light work to your face like fix your eyebrows get a good hairstyle nice clothing that fits um i'm curious for going to the gym if you're trying to develop your physique into the most physically aesthetic physique possible what are the best workouts to do that so um i would say it's more about like principles rather than workouts and people have gotten this so wrong for so many years in the gym fitness community is like just a joke to me because they don't understand about like training frequencies and what's actually optimal for hypertrophy.

54:09I would say up until about 2022, everything was so far from the truth. Like even from fitness figures that I liked, like doing like the eight hour arm workouts, like from Rich or like people would even say you have to do like a hundred curls before you go to sleep. So your body is like thinking about producing muscle. Like the whole thing is just like such a joke. So, you know, simply what I'm telling you guys is if you actually look at the literature and, you know, the studies on like EMG activation, what you find out is doing something that's high frequency with low volume is the most optimal way to induce hypertrophy.

54:45So it would be the perfect workout for a physique right now. So the perfect workout split, I'll say that would be like an upper lower split where you go, you do your upper body and then you do, you know, your lower body the next day with generally low amounts of set volume. So that would look like, you know, maybe two sets for your chest. And then you alternate between these two muscle groups and that's going to induce the best results. What do you think all the billionaires are doing to get shredded? Like a Jeff Bezos. Oh, they're usually doing TRT and Ozempic. Jeff Bezos is a classic case of TRT and likely a GLV-1.

55:23So this is just like all these designers. Billionaires have been using them for about two years now, and now they're kind of like available to the normies, like the mainstream. And even myself, I've been using these things, talking about them for the longest time. Now I see like even moms like driving around minivans, doing TikTok lives, promoting GLP-1s and Ozempic. It's just quite comical to me because it's like, okay, you guys kind of stole my talking points here. What do you think Jack and I should do to LookSmacks? Oh, I mean, I just, I would, what do you think? I would say that the best way to look, Max, and like increase your dimorphism would be taking testosterone.

56:04That's a really phenomenal way to not only increase your dimorphism in the face, but increase your presence, your frame. Those are all, you know, amazing things that you could do. And it's not a huge time investment, not a lot of financial burden there. So just getting like the most comprehensive understanding of and you know all the exogenous hormone usage and then implementing that can go a long way okay so we're not gonna do that we're not gonna do any like exogenous stuff we're not gonna ourselves with anything what about just soft maxing what would you say is the best thing we can do i'd say that getting a tan would be uh probably the next best thing it's so funny jack yeah yeah so even i have to do that again i mean and i would i know you guys aren't gonna do anything but there are things you could do to tan quicker.

56:52I mentioned that this morning. Yeah, the melanotan too? Mm-hmm. Okay, well, yeah, so that's one. All you're doing is preventing premature aging mechanisms by inducing melanogenesis so that the amount of UV exposure drastically decreases. So that seems like a very logical thing, and that's going to decrease your chances of getting skin cancer, and there's really no side effects. you know all the only side effects that occur from melanotan too would be like acute nausea but long term it's perfectly healthy okay so if you're gonna observe graham first what can he do to look as best as possible glory um well i mean it looks like i can't really tell too much but it looks like your hairlines are seeding a little bit yeah so i would start with like a hairline a hair loss protocol would be a good place i'd use finasteride you use finasteride okay well even do tasks might be a little bit better.

57:49There's less chance of like the libido related issues. So I would switch over to DUT, take minoxidil to regrow everything. Um, and like, you know, obviously like a double jaw surgery you would certainly qualify for. Um, so I would, you could be brutally honest. There's nothing you're going to say that don't hurt my feelings or anything. I would say like double jaw surgery, like the, the two jaws are a little bit recessed. so i'd start there but and then where do you finish like what would you keep doing well you you kind of have to just take it one step at a time and implement let's say do that and then and then what's next well you know increasing the physique fixing up the coloring like giving yourself like the proper undertones i mean like giving you like a lux maxing protocol i could stay here for four hours you know what i mean but it's that bad he needs to shopping bag a lot more.

58:40No, it's not that it's that bad. Like everyone can improve. Like I could generally sit and do a seminar, like talking about Luxmaxing for like hours on end. Like there's really no limit to how long we could talk about it. And what would you do with Jack? I would say that in principle, it's like very similar for like a lot of people. It's just like the only difference for Luxmaxing would be like, maybe there's specific things, person to person, like, you know, perfecting the phenotype. So, um, you know, once again, it would just really take too long to, uh, like go into like each individual. Um, if there's like three things on Jack, three things on me, you're like, these three things would get you the biggest benefit.

59:25Okay. Yeah. So, um, both of you, you more so could certainly benefit from like, you know taking things like carotenoids because you really lack like their reddish like undertones that's like a health indicator that indicates like proper blood flow um would be certainly something that's good like a carotenoid blend you could usually buy those on so what's that do just make me look a little yeah yeah yeah like a little bit healthier okay like it basically like frauds like good blood circulation like lycopene astaxanthin um you've probably heard of like you know, undertones, carotenoids. No, like eating, eating like different fruits, like in induced different colors.

1:00:06You've never heard about this. I never. Okay. Well, yeah. So you could either do, do that from foods or just taking supplements all over the counter. That's like soft max normie stuff. Okay. I would advocate for minoxidil, um, certainly to grow back your hair and, um, definitely like a double jaw surgery would be a good place to start. Okay. and um for jack i would say that uh the melano tan peptide would be really good um you know maybe depending on your masseter setness i tell people like if you've got a super high set masseter don't take this advice but if your masseter is lower set in your jaw and you know what you want to do is chew because it's going to increase your bigonia width but that's just like a case uh dependent thing so you kind of have to see like where your masseter sits on your ramus to determine and whether or not that'll work, it's possible that that would be something that could ascend you quite significantly.

1:01:01And I don't know how - You want a hairline check? Yeah. Yeah, no, quite good, actually. See, as a white guy, I know we already have, like, naturally you're going to have a bit of a V. Right, yeah. No, perfect hairline. Yeah, okay. And the next thing that you could do, I don't know how old you guys are. I'm 35. Take a guess. How old am I? Oh, I should have had you guess. Damn. 10th. Are you, you're probably over your 30s? Around? No. I'm 27. 27. Okay. Um, so what I would do for, um, like the under eyes, usually the first thing to start to go, cause the way that works is you're, you know, facial fat redistributes down your face and starts to migrate with gravity.

1:01:42Uh, so under eye concealer is like a good way to like, you know, kind of slap a bandaid on the solution. No one's going to know that you're fucking doing it. So, uh, all actors, celebrities are doing this anyway. So that's like another good soft max. Those are just three like, you know, quick, easy soft maxes. I appreciate that. I think that those were the things I would probably do for myself as well. I think these are pretty egregious. Graham and I both have pretty bad eye bags. What do you think about Botox? I'm a big fan of Botox, but people go about it wrong. It's not something that you could do after you've already achieved or after you've already aged and, you know, accumulated wrinkles.

1:02:18It's a preventative measure because the wrinkles occur as you express your face. So it's about preventing that. Have you done Botox at all? Yeah, I've done Botox. Yeah, just just one time. But it's just at a med spa that I've done it myself a few times after that. But it's just it's very difficult to maintain. It was expensive at the time. And it's just like a time burden like that. I don't necessarily have like I'm not really that expressive anyway. So it doesn't really matter for me. What about sun damage? Just like wearing sunscreen outside. So American sunscreen is SPF, right? But SPF only protects you against UVB rays.

1:02:58Whereas the UVA is actually one of the most aging rays as well. So you need SPF with PA++ +, which is another mechanism of protection. It's typically found in like Korean sunscreen brands. That's why they generally age better than us, you know, white boys. So, you know, going with proper sunscreen is, is another thing that you could do that really will make sure you age quite better than your average person. Do you ever worry that someone might follow your advice and maybe hurt themselves? Um, yeah, that's why I'm, I'm very careful, like advocate for some of the more intensive looks maxes, uh, unless they're either under direct supervision or have done the research to have a fully comprehensive grasp.

1:03:44Like, uh, sometimes like I'll talk to viewers and do like viewer segments on Discord and people will start asking me about like tests, I'll be like, I could tell right away, I'm like, you haven't done your research. So I don't tell people to jump the gun and just like go around haphazardly promoting people to take exogenous hormones. But, you know, at the end of the day, And it's very difficult because, you know, you could say that and people could still take your advice. But at the end of the day, I still just want to be able to be open and honest with what I'm doing. So unfortunately, that's kind of a tricky thing to navigate.

1:04:22Yeah, what was going on? I saw a clip on Twitter of you, some girl on stream. Yeah, those were lipolysis agents, so called Aqualux, right? It's a fat dissolver, and we were doing localized lipolysis, essentially. Why? Because we're going for more facial leanness, killing fat cells. Are you qualified to somebody like that? Well, I'm not a nurse PA, if that's what you're asking, but what makes someone qualified to something that's got essentially no risk profile. You know, I would say that this might be a little bit egotistical, but I would say I'm probably much more qualified than your average PA who's doing it.

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1:07:59Enjoy. So we previously had Greg Doucette on the podcast. Oh, geez. He sent over a few questions he wanted to ask. Claviculum, I thought you were all about looks maxing. Why are you wearing a Burberry belt while training at the gym? When did I do that? oh i oh actually i do remember why am i wearing a burberry belt while training at the gym dude i i believe i did that on a live stream we were just like trying on like some new young la clothes and like they didn't fit my waist i had to belt max so that was pretty cringe because they were you know kind of getting on me for not like you know doing the milestones of wearing the clothes so i had a that was like a last minute thing okay here's the next one what part of looks maxing in involves losing 15 pounds of muscle from avoiding going to the gym while sniffing creatine.

1:08:51Answer me that. Dude, well, I mean, people don't understand the content grind. Like I've been, you know, all over the place, like traveling, um, you know, grinding my ass off, trying to, uh, you know, keep my momentum going. So that's absolutely not looks maxing. I've been looks many. I've been actually looking like worse and worse. Like as I started streaming, like I didn't sleep like last night, really. I was just streaming all night. So a lot of what I've been doing recently is not like what I should be. So is it safe to say now that looks maxing is not your North star? I would say that like right now, I'm still following the same general principles, but I'm just not doing like everything I should be necessarily.

1:09:33Like I'm trying, I'm maintaining like my leanness, like I'm doing all like the key things that are the most important, but I'm just not taking it like that step further, like with, you know, going to the gym every day, like either was would be. So yeah, I guess you could say that like content has kind of taken over for like the time being, but I'm going to get back into like the swing of things. So if looks maxing is not your priority anymore, what would you say is? Content. Content. Streaming. Content for the reason of what? Just something that I'm doing, but I would say that it's not really just like looks maxing was just like the end all be all.

1:10:08And now maybe like it's just pair on par with, with content now, but I still prioritize both of them to the best of my abilities, but it's just very difficult. And the way that I think about it, it's like, okay, well, I have to really grind for like and take advantage of the opportunity I had. But right now things are like getting a little easier. Like I'm organized now, I have my team, so I have a little bit more time. So I'll certainly be getting back into the gym. So taking like a little hiatus from like working out and being like 100 % on top of things, like that happens, you know. Go one last question for you.

1:10:44Claviculum, have you ever taken your blood work? And if so, I challenge you to send it to me to see if you're healthy. If you're ascending, we want proof that you're healthy. If you haven't got your blood work done, get it done from Al Gorex. I'll make a video about it and show the world just how unhealthy you really are. um i yeah i'd be fully down to to do that i haven't done blood work in a little while so i don't have something that's like up to date enough with what i've been doing um but yeah i mean i did like a simple panel um like a few months ago i i guess we could send that over to him but i'll i'll do i'd be down to do a more updated one but i don't think coach greg really knows like what exactly i'm doing i think he probably thinks it's worse than it is, but we do like similar protocols.

1:11:36Like we're both on testosterone. Like we're both on GLP ones. Like I don't, I, you know, and he does the same thing. I think he thinks I'm like a new togi figure who's like blasting like grams of gear. And it's just simply not true. What do you think of Greg Doucette? I think he's a jester and I think he's disingenuous about a lot of what he does because think about it, right? He ascended and became an IFBB pro from doing, right? He achieved his result. He, uh, you know, got a great physique and then now he does the content and he had tributes to coplements, like cope supplements is what I like to call it.

1:12:14So that just seems a little bit unfair, um, to, to, you know, send your viewers down the path of like these random like nonsense like pills that don't do anything rather than like what actually gave you your results whereas i'm simply just being honest about it i'm like okay it was testosterone that got me here not you know agnesterone or whatever yeah i can't really speak to the efficacy of like tercesterone or whatever you know pills or supplements he has um but i do generally agree with the sentiment he shared at least when he was on our show which is like like specific exercises, workout routines, and just eating healthy.

1:12:51I know he has a cookbook, which is totally fine too. I mean, if you obey the recipes that are in the cookbook, I do think that it will have a positive impact on your physique. Yeah, but at the end of the day, it's not really as much about food selection as it is about macronutrients. So I think if he was like fully honest about like a lot of this stuff, it just would take a lot of, you know, market share off the table, which is why. And it's like, dude, I get it. It's like, you're an influencer, make your bag. but I just don't really like, and I would never like I've even said anything had he not like called me out and like fell over me.

1:13:23Um, so I'm, I'm very okay with now being like, okay, this is like exactly what he's doing. It's just a marketing tactic. Like he'll, he'll attribute his results to, to garbage a lot of times. And I don't think it's right. What do you think about Togi? I think Togi is, uh, is really funny. I think he's a great content creator. Um, and he, he rage baited people. I don't think Togi is, is nearly as like unhealthy or just reckless as he makes it seem on his content. I think he's like pretty intentional and diligent about like his protocols. Like I've talked to like his coaches and stuff. It's really not that over the top, any of the stuff that he does.

1:14:03Um, I would say that the reason his blood work was really bad and like the coach Greg reviews was wrecked. So that's the one thing that you can't really do. And that's what I try to avoid is like wrecked at the same time could be extremely unhealthy. Now, if content right now is your North star temporarily, I'm assuming that's because you're doing well at it and therefore you're making a decent amount of money. And then social media could be somewhat fleeting. And so you have a small little window to make the most of it. How much of looks maxing are things like a good watch, a car, a house? how much does this bring you up it's not nothing to do with looks maxing it's just a different just a different measurement that's would be more like status or that i would say that there's like the looks money status like triad um and that would just fall into those other categories but aren't you looks macking looks maxing for the sake of like making your life better and so wouldn't the quality of your life not only be determined by looks maxing but also like status maxing of course yeah no but appearance too like if you walk in with a richard mill i would say people would rate you overall more attractive than an apple watch that's a pretty selection i think they would serve you more respect oh yeah no absolutely but which isn't that why you're looks maxing is like the halo effect it's the status it's the absolutely but i'm i'm not sitting here like looks are the end-all be-all like it's the easiest thing to jump and a huge increase in percentiles but i'm of course like yes go and status max Go and get the nice car.

1:15:38Get the nice house. I'm absolutely in agreement with you. There's no point of contention there. So I would just say that the Richard Mille thing is comical. I think Richard Mille's are pretty. But what about driving like a really nice Ferrari or like getting a great car? I would say that there is no one on this podcast that can actually afford or no one watching this that could afford a Ferrari. I think there's people who can buy. I would disagree on this podcast. I would say at least 10 % of the people watching could buy a Ferrari. Yeah. No, that's what I'm saying. They could buy a Ferrari, but they can't like afford.

1:16:18Oh no, they could afford a Ferrari. Like we have a very educated business oriented audience. You would be surprised right now. I don't know if I would say 10%. That seems like a pretty lofty. The people who come to us afterwards who watch the podcast, I am blown away. 10 % of them could afford. I am blown away. And have it be like a good idea to buy like a million dollar car. I wouldn't say a good idea, but that's what I mean. They could, they could buy it, but they can't afford it. Oh no, they could afford it. I don't, I just don't think it's a good idea for everyone to buy a Ferrari, but. Well, regardless, like there's, there's almost, there's not a lot of people, regardless of 10%, 5 % who can actually like get this car and have it be like a good idea until they're like into their forties.

1:16:57I think that you could make a much larger return taking that money and investing it into a plethora of different things. Like, I don't think that having supercars and flexing them is really going to elevate you as much as people think it is. And for like how much you could be putting other things at a standstill, I think you could be advancing yourself, taking that money and investing it much differently would be a much better idea. See, I think in certain situations, actually, a nice car could take you a very long way. like it really depends on how you use the car and what circles that gets you in well i'm gonna speak you know from my perspective that when people drive like supercars um like i would never like really do business with them like if i see like a 20 year old kid um pull up in a ferrari i'm like this is either you know rented or just financial irresponsibility so i'm like, nope.

1:17:59You know what I mean? Um, uh, until you're like 30 years old, there's no, there's no shot. You can like have a Ferrari and have it be a good idea. So your, your goal isn't necessarily looks maxing then it seems like it's still sort of like status. It's all of them. Like they're not mutually exclusive once again. And I don't know why like people make that mistake so frequently that looks is just like the key part that was missing from the manosphere conversation, but all of the other stuff is generally true. But wouldn't you say though that you could maximize your status, your aesthetics, just your overall respect maybe that you get if you spent, say 100 % of your income on super nice clothes, watches, cars, a penthouse, like you would technically ascend even higher to get access into better groups.

1:18:54Yeah, absolutely. No, you're absolutely right about that. I just don't think it's necessarily like a responsible idea. I think that a lot of people in Miami are, you know, like exactly what you said, spending 100 % of their income, having no savings at all. They're really not advancing themselves. Just to basically flex on people. It's like a lot of flex culture and I don't think that's good at all. You know, I usually know for a fact that these people aren't actually making the money that they claim. And the whole thing is just like sort of for show. And I think women kind of like realize this, like they know if you're if you're moving well or not.

1:19:37And it's not going to be a car. Speaking of women knowing, what about them wearing makeup and wearing shoulder pads or lifts? These are all things that women could know, they could find out. I mean, they're the ones wearing makeup. They could probably detect makeup on a man's face. Yet this is something that you would advocate for, all three of those things. Yeah, but it's not the hardest thing in the world to skate by. I would say that it's probably on par with all these things that you're saying about penthouses and Ferraris. I just don't think that that's necessarily a good idea to blow through maybe a quarter million dollars a year renting out a penthouse in Miami.

1:20:24Like that doesn't really sound like a good idea to me. But then what about these other things like makeup and shoulder pads and lifts? Like you still, you like those. Is that correct? Or is that? Yeah, I think that there's use cases for them. Do you think that it's like you're playing a dangerous game there? If you're up with the ROI, I would say it's pretty good. Which one would you say it's highest with? Makeup? Yeah. So what do you do if a girl says, hey, are you wearing makeup? Yep. I don't think that would ever happen unless you're just like egregiously over the top with what you're doing.

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1:21:40But it knows nothing about your work. Slackbot is different. It doesn't just know the facts. It knows your schedule. It can turn a brainstorm into a brief, and it doesn't need to be taught. Because Slackbot isn't just another AI. It's AI that knows your work as well as you do. Visit slack.com forward slash meet Slackbot to learn more. Then you just say thank you, just don't spike your cortisol, and then do a better job so it's more undetectable next time. I know other Luxmaxers who have gotten called out on shit. uh like maybe you go to a bar you sweat and it like leaks down your face but just a skill issue at the end of the day you know are you wearing any makeup right now no not right now we uh we're a little bit late to the podcast but uh no usually i i would would be fine doing that though so what is the worst possible thing to get caught with as a guy a hair system so that is like like a toupee we're talking yeah like if you get caught like wearing like a toupee and like it's over like it's generally like finished like entirely have you seen that happen no no i've never seen that happen but there's no recovery from nope it's done it's just you just have to move on yeah so what do you advise to people out there that are wearing hair systems just be like a professional and not getting caught i don't know wouldn't it be better just to shave the head what do you think about just like no i don't think i don't think so i don't think so all i think the hair system's a good idea just know that if you ever like get caught you're gonna have to like move to a different country yeah but what about like jason statham like just looks great with a shave well he's got a top percentile face right of course he looks great with the shaker rock yeah i'll click share with the both great faces it's like but they would look better with uh like actually hair you know so like of course a good looking people look good with you know shaved heads but they would look better with without do you think that you're misunderstood yeah yeah and what do you think most people get wrong about you i think people think i'm just like impulsive and don't really know what i'm doing but i'm very meticulous and intentional i could see that you're very calculated with everything in life which is hard to juxtapose with like the usage and stuff like that just because 99.9 of people would consider anybody that touches any of that stuff maximally impulsive.

1:24:02Yeah. But you could be the very, very far edge case exception of those things, which is interesting to talk about, but also just in application, just so, in my opinion, dangerous. Oh, yeah. No, I absolutely agree. That's why I say, do not take stimulus, do not try to copy what I'm doing. What do you think is a criticism about you that's valid? Maybe that I could be like a little bit like cold sometimes, or like maybe just sometimes like I'll be mean or something like on, on live streams, I could be like a little bit more respectful and have like more humility, I guess you could say. Um, so people, and you know, that's, that's probably about, about it.

1:24:55And, you know, sometimes I get criticized for making like jokes about like serious situations. Like, um, you know, like I've, I've made jokes about like Palestine and stuff like that, but I don't, and that criticism, it's like, yeah, like I get like, it's terrible, but, um, it's just like, that's just the humor. It's just, I mean, no disrespect, like in, in action with what I'm saying. I just like to be able to make whatever jokes I want to make without any restriction or TOS violations. It's interesting because most people that I meet that are your age have a lot more like seemingly energy and like more upbeat and expressive.

1:25:36But you, I noticed you're very like, not monotone, but like very calm. And I noticed even in a comment on your podcast with Brad Martin, like it had like 50 likes. so it wasn't necessarily unpopular, was like monotone clav. Is that something that you try to be to, you know, come across a little bit more calm and low cortisol or is it who you truly are? Nice acknowledgement. Yeah, no, that's who I am. I'm a very like level-headed, like low cortisol person. And when I'm trying to deliver my message in a serious context, this is the tonality that I take, right? This is my long form podcast stuff.

1:26:16But obviously when I'm doing like a, you know, very casual setting, like desktop stream, or I'm streaming IRL, maybe the energy will be a little bit different. A lot of the times, because I'm like, hyped off, off some stimulant or something, or whatever the case may be. But yeah, no, if I want to, if I want to be serious and like, have a conversation getting down to like the brass tacks of like, my ideology, of course, you know, this is the tone I take. What do you see to the people who say it's an unattractive trait to focus on being attractive? Well, you always have to conceal your intentions with look smaxing, right?

1:26:56Don't go around like me, obviously. I'm a public figure, so everyone knows what I do. Everyone knows that I hit myself in the face with a hammer. But as long as you're just not running around telling people, no one's gonna know. So it doesn't really matter. Does that make permanent, is that a permanent solution to grow the, it's like the zygomatic endurance or whatever it is. Zygomatic bones. Zygomatic bones. Yeah. So it's these bones right here. Yep. Wolf's law. Like we did a lot of research going into this. So you basically state that if you, similar to an MMA person shins, if you continually micro fracture, it will grow back stronger and larger.

1:27:34And so it's an attractive trait to have these protruding more. Yeah, more prominent. And so that's something that you have done and you've noticed permanent. Yeah, absolutely. growth of those bones. Don't you think that could just be puberty though, that you're like still developing your face through the next like five years? I bone smash after puberty. See, I just don't even like that term, bone smash. It's like so, it's so grotesque. And honestly, for me, it's like, I just wouldn't be able to do it. I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want my son doing it. Like I wouldn't want any of the viewers doing it.

1:28:08It's just so like, oh. If Jack started doing this, I would prompt you to go to therapy. Yeah. That would be my first thing. It's extremely comical, bone smashing. Yeah, I just like the name. Now that you pointed that out. Yeah, that is actually really funny. But I don't know. Like, do you hope more people bone smash? What is the goal? As long as there's no, like, issues of head trauma, like if you properly brace your skull, I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world. It's pretty low risk. Have you gone to therapy? or has anyone suggested that you try therapy before doing some of these things?

1:28:44No, that's never been something that's been necessary. I would love to do an introduction, if you would like to, with Dr. K. Yeah, do you know who Dr. K is? Yeah. Healthy gamer. Would you speak to him? Yeah, I would speak to anyone, but I don't really think my psychological well-being has ever been like an issue of mine. Like I'd say that, yeah, well, I may be neurodivergent. Like I'd say that's probably one of my strong suits and what makes me like able to succeed as a person. Well, I would agree with you on that. Would you say that being neurodivergent just makes you focus on one thing and wanting to just do that thing and dive 100 % into that?

1:29:23Yeah, I would say that's probably one of the main reasons why I am the way I am. And it just happened for you to be looks max. Correct. And before that, it was like, there was like a lot of political stuff. and I would say I was fanatical about that and then it just segued into Lux Maxing. I tend to think I got to be a little on the spectrum for something because a while ago I used to be really into reef aquariums as a kid and I got super into that and then it was, I got super into doing real estate and I got super into doing YouTube and it's always like these different things that shift over time and then I just, all I want to do is that thing.

1:30:02Lasts about 10 years and then I find some new thing I'm like, I'm going to get really good at that. Do you think that maybe you'll start to fixate on something else? Well, I mean, after I've achieved like my desired results and it just becomes like a thing of maintenance to looks max. Like, yeah, but that was always my intention was my intention is not to look max for the rest of my life. It's to leverage my increase in looks for whatever I decide to do. Again, I would go back to it's less about. Because you will, as you said, what it was, ascent, right? you're going to a set 100%. I would say that's less to do with your looks and more to do with you getting out on social media, doing extreme things, that pushing you into a new category, getting a lot of views, a lot of money, which will then give you more opportunities.

1:30:47But I don't think it's the looks itself. You know, that's just something that we're never necessarily going to be able to agree on. So for you, it'll be because of your looks, the better looking you will be, the more money you make, the more status you have, and that's due to the looks and not the content strategy. Well, no, I mean, both are true. Like it's a little bit of everything. If we were to put like a pie chart together of how exactly that would look, like looks, like personality, like content drive or motivation, I don't know exactly know how I would scale that up, but I would say that it's definitely a factor.

1:31:25So it's worth acknowledging, regardless of if 60 % of the pie, 50%, whatever. what do you think is more important to get women? Do you think it's status, money, or looks? Looks, absolutely, without a question. More than status. Yeah, I mean, this is, but that's like another thing where it's like, okay, well, how good looking are you? Are you like professional actor level status? It's like, that's why that question, like, often it gets taken out of context and doesn't really make a lot of sense. But if we're talking about like, okay, we're 80th percentile in looks, money, status, which metric is going to drive us the results that we're actually looking for, it's going to be the looks, right?

1:32:06Whereas if you're like, you know, 10 million followers on Instagram, you know, but you're not necessarily good looking, you might be able to beat out a guy who's better looking than you and, you know, less status. Would you say that you are good with women? I like to hold myself to high standards. So I'd say there's definitely room for improvement, but I'd say I do very well for myself. How would you improve? a lot of the stuff with women is not how interesting you are at all right it's more like just psychological like tactics like manipulating women really it's like a big part of it um so you know you you don't necessarily have to be like this well-traveled guy able to talk about like his experience in tokyo you just need to know about like how to spike different um you know neurotransmitters in women and how to you know keep their dopamine going like that.

1:32:59Is that a good or a bad way to attract a woman though? It's the way to do it. Whether it's good or bad, like morally good or morally bad. And it's like, I don't really know, but the goal is to get women. It's not necessarily like about me moral, you know? See, I've seen some of your streams and I haven't seen any of those manipulation tactics. The only things that I've seen from you that seem to work is that you're very forward and that You'll just say what's on your mind, which might have a better result than tactics. Unless that is the tactic. Well, that's just, that's trolling on a stream. You know, that's not really like a fair way to show.

1:33:38And especially when like the camera rig that I use and like there's like 10 lights coming off, there's mics, it's like ridiculous. So women are not acting the way that they otherwise would be if I were talking to them in like an off camera context. um like the camera makes it a lot harder because like women like want to like clout chase like look at me like i see a lot of chicks on tiktok do this it's like um i went to this house party where there was like literally multiple girls that i had you know slept with previously who want to be like performative for the camera like oh i rejected clav you know so it's like okay bitch like you know but that's still just i i'd like to think that that is like just a miami crowd I think that like the behavior will be different depending on where you're at quite substantially Like I can't imagine you're not wrong and you're also going not only You're not you're not only in miami But you're also going to house parties in miami with influencers and with people that speak a certain way act a certain way So that's kind of like fringe behavior.

1:34:42Yeah, you're not wrong. I mean, but once again, I wouldn't exactly like say that what I'm doing or what I'm talking about is what I recommend people do. Like the way that they talk to women, it's just, I'm going for stream clips, you know? So it's not really even worth acknowledging that. How much do you consider morals with what you do and preach online? I'm like an ends justify the means, uh, sorry, the means, uh, you know what I mean? So I don't necessarily care too much about like what I need to do to accomplish a result. If that's what you're asking. So you're objective oriented and you don't necessarily care if what you're doing is right or if it's wrong.

1:35:25Correct. Have you ever been in love? Um, that's hard to say. I don't really know. I'd have to think about that a little bit. It's a tough one. What would you rate your happiness out of 10? I wouldn't really rate it. I think that that's just like a silly. I disagree. Being like happy? Yeah. I think that's extremely silly. Why? Because it's like the thing that I prioritize is like being driven, having like a purpose, being ambitious. It's like, you know, not a lot of the things that I do on a day-to-day basis are like the most enjoyable, like, you know, doing work isn't enjoyable a lot of the times.

1:36:11but it's just something that like needs to be done. Like going to the gym, it's not like an enjoyable thing for me, but I do it anyway. So I have like no regard for like my happiness. Like that seems like a very like immature idea. Why is that immature? To prioritize like being happy. I'm not saying that you can, that you need to prioritize it to assess it, but you can still assess it without it necessarily being a priority. But it's just like happiness as an idea. Like men are like supposed to be like happy. I don't really think. Why are men not supposed to be happy? Because life is hard and, um, can't you enjoy difficult things?

1:36:47Not if you want to succeed to the highest level that you possibly could. Does a man need to succeed to the highest level that he can? No, they don't need to do anything, but I certainly want to. But if you want to, so you know where your happiness lies, if you were to assess it, what would you rate it out of 10? I think that it's a totally fine thing to measure people. Sure. You can go the philosophical route of like, why even, you know, are we discussing happiness? What is happiness? But you could chalk it up to joy. You could talk it up to enjoyment of life. Um, you know, where would you say you are on a scale of one to 10?

1:37:18I would say that, um, pretty low. I mean, I don't, I don't sleep. I don't really do. I haven't, uh, like done anything outside of content for like months now. Um, I don't even have time to go to the gym. So I would say that, you know, like my overall well-being would certainly have taken a hit from like the content that I'm doing, but it's worth it. It's just like how, how it has to be, you know? And so that reminds me, I know I'm not going to compare you and Elon Musk, but it reminds me of Elon when he says, I'm so mission oriented that, you know, or am I happy? Not necessarily, but I don't devote my life to, you know, happiness is not a priority of mine.

1:38:01Yeah. That's exactly how I feel. And I'd say that's like a very like, um, neurodivergent mentality to have. And that's why I think that like a lot of, you know, successful people often, you know, are on the spectrum for autism and stuff like that is because they're capable of all of this. Like if I were to, you know, go and do something that made me happy, like go play video games or, uh, you know, just go do like gesture activities, go like bowling or something like that. Um, or go hang out with girls, go to bars, whatever the case may be, I would not be positioning myself in the most optimal way possible.

1:38:39So that would, and having that in the back of my head that when I'm doing like things like that, I could better be using my time and prioritizing myself much better. I would not be able to enjoy anything. I sort of disagree. I think if, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, if you're an influencer, I think being able to convey happiness, joy, like viewers like to have positive influences. They like to watch content and feel good about it, or at least feel something. And if you, if you can bring some sort of clear joy or happiness to your content, I do think that that could actually serve you, you know, business-wise like Togi, you know, all of the largest influencers like David Dobrik, you know, Mr.

1:39:21Beast, they all built their success off of kind of some sort of at least positive spin like a happy thing instead there's an emotion to it there's an emotion to it and don't you think that like that would come through in content if we're just talking entrepreneurially i think mr beast is a textbook sociopath um who as soon as the cameras turn off from what i've heard is just like a robot that has no i would disagree yeah we've spent a lot of time with him no cameras no nothing he loves what he does yeah he'll crack jokes he'll be like he's funny yeah and you could argue oh well that's because he's around other influencers he knows they'll speak about him no we're playing like soccer with him after filming with him and just and he was playing till like midnight and then went down and we were like reviewing instagram reels and like he's we went to go film with him and then afterwards he's like hey we're gonna all go play soccer at you know in the backyard of this house that he has and it's got this big lot and he has these soccer goals set up and he invites all of his friends over and he's got a little shed with a bunch of cleats and he lets us wear his cleats and you know borrow some of his clothes he he was about having fun and just being positive yeah there's a lot of stuff he's he's done for us that a hundred percent he didn't even need to do like i would have been happy just getting an hour with him for a podcast well the thing that i'll say is i've talked about like and identified a lot of like sociopathic behavior from influencers over the past year and i've never been wrong so um but you haven't met mr beast yeah and i haven't met a lot of these people that i've analyzed and how would you say you haven't been wrong if you haven't met them well i'm just i'm saying you know right now uh you know i'm not 100 sure that that i'm correct about mr beast but i'm saying that i've never been wrong before and as i you know see more and learn more um and you know potentially get into the same spaces i think i'll know for sure but um i really wouldn't be surprised if I were correct on that, Mr.

1:41:23Beast. But regardless, it doesn't really matter because I actually do enjoy making the content. It's just all the back-end stuff that's extremely draining. You know, it's not the content itself. I like being on a live stream and I typically do enjoy it, but it's just like, you know, dealing with all the back-end stuff is a nightmare, as you guys probably know. When's the last time you were sad? Last time I was sad, probably last year when I got expelled from school. And like, you know, my parents were like, wanted nothing to do with me. It was kind of a rough one. I didn't really know what direction my life was going to take.

1:42:05Why did you get expelled? How did they catch you? Someone sent an anonymous tip into my university and they came. I got back to my room and there was just everywhere. you know, there was like the campus police and I got booted out. Why were you even in college in the first place? That seems kind of antithetical to you. It seems like less of a disagreeable person decision to go to college. Because it's just something people do. And I didn't have any direction in life at the time. You know, that's literally what college is in the modern context is just like, okay, you graduate high school, now you have to go to college.

1:42:43It's not like a pursuit of of higher intelligence or becoming a well-read person. It's just not what it is. College is a whole, it's a complete joke these days. What would you say is your biggest insecurity?

1:42:59Wouldn't, wouldn't. I'm a very like insecure person. You don't have anything you're insecure about? Not really. I know that might come as like a surprise, but just my thought process for everything is not the norm of my community of Luxmax. I'm coming from a place of pure objectivity, and I'm just trying to improve a metric I know is valuable. But even if it's not physical insecurity, it could be a mental insecurity, emotional insecurity. I mean, potentially I wish I was more like socially adept, but that's, it's like a very like small thing that doesn't really hold that much value in my life.

1:43:47Like I'm unable to really resonate with like a lot of, of people. Um, like for example, like, you know, the, the hobbies and interests of like your everyday person, I just find to be so ridiculous, like sports or, you know, like watching movies. Like, I wish I could just like I enjoy that kind of shit. But I don't know. I've always hated like football so much. And that was like a big thing that kind of made it hard for me to like fit in with people. Like everyone goes, you know, to a bar on Saturday to watch football. But I'm like, I would literally rather do anything else, you know? I'm similar.

1:44:26I could relate to that. I don't get into sports unless I have money on the game. Yeah, I know. And then it's more about I want to win that bet than it is about the game. There you go. Do you think a man should ever cry? I think it happens. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. I think people deal with immense loss a lot of the time. And that's just like a natural that makes you human. It's almost worrying sometimes if like the loss you endures is great enough and you don't cry. That's probably like a worrying sign that you're like somewhat psychopathic or have like a, you know, a bit of trauma potentially.

1:45:04So it's, it's a very normal thing. As long as you don't make it like a residual cope for the rest of your life of like a relative dies, it's like that acute reaction seems very reasonable to me, but as long as it doesn't hold you back, you know. When's the last time you cried? Um, it's probably like, you know around like a year ago had to do with the expulsion yeah just like not really knowing like what to do with myself kind of thing so if a viewer wants to know how to life max what would you recommend if you want to know how to life max i would say that um increasing your social skills by working in a restaurant for a lot of the young guys is one of the things that benefited me the most.

1:45:53Learning how to deal with figures of authority, whether that be your boss, learning how to deal with your peers who are your co-workers is an experience that you're going to learn at an early age. And simply being able to converse with a different clientele, whether you're a hostess, whether you're a server, all these different jobs really helped me increase my social skills quite a bit because I had to learn body language when people actually didn't want to talk to me or, you know, picking up on cues like, hey, like, let's make some small talk, which is something I was horrible at up until like pretty much like earlier this year was when I kind of got my head on with that kind of stuff.

1:46:33So working in a restaurant, I would say shaped me and made me the person I am. I would argue sales, just learning door to door sales. Dealing with rejection. Yeah. That's also that's a similar concept. And that's probably even better. Right. But I don't think many people are going to be able to jump straight into door to door sales. And you also lose like the dealing with figures of authority, like dealing with a boss and like that kind of thing. And also just like being around people your age who are your co-workers is another good thing. Like it's a social thing. I really like working in a restaurant for for young guys.

1:47:09So in terms of your business, are you comfortable saying how much money you're making?

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1:48:13but they just pay the creators. What do your expenses look like? I reinvest all the money I have into just like technology. I don't pay any rent. I don't have a car payment. So basically my expenses would just be like food and anything that's content related. Like I'll usually have to pay for like security or different accommodations for doing IRL streams, things of that nature. Are you investing any of it? Not at the moment. You know, I was just talking to my accountant. We're just going to wait like another six months before the 401k investing starts. I just really have no take home at the end of the month.

1:48:54You're spending that much? Like, yeah, but I didn't really like start making money until like this month. So like, well, probably not spending that much. Like there's like obviously take home. But I would argue you don't really need a 401k. Yeah. To lock the money up for that long might not be in your best interest, given that you have a short burst, probably have a lot of money coming in. It might be better just to open up a taxable account, do some in a 401k, but keep it mostly in a taxable index funds. Well, yeah, I mean, diversified or maybe a Roth as you're young. Yeah. Yeah. I told him, I was just like, I don't even want to, I didn't like commit to doing it.

1:49:34I said, I don't even want to have that conversation for six months as it stands. Um, but yeah, no. So just like basically been reinvesting everything. And I would say like another expense would be like, I recently just bought like a Sprinter van, um, for just like, you know, traveling and being able to have a computer set up on the go, like, and be able to stream. so that was like another thing that I spent a lot of capital on um so you know I'm not too well versed I've been kind of just trying to incorporate and set up like you know all the different business entities like to you know protect my assets and stuff like that has been a priority of mine I haven't really dove too deep into like you know the whole routh setup and all that just trying to get everything like legal and and you know start dealing with taxes because it's the first year I'm going to have to pay taxes.

1:50:28You know? Yeah. That'll turn you real quick when you start to see how much they take in taxes. Maybe not this year because you're spending so much money. Yeah. I bet your taxable is going to be pretty little. But next year, if you do well, man, that every quarter you start making those estimated payments, you see how much money is going away and it just gets you going. It just pisses you off. I'd say. And it just evaporates. spike. It's a cortisol spike. That's what ages me so fast is you write these quarterly checks to the IRS and you say, where does the money go? And then I start thinking all the things I could have done with that and it's gone.

1:51:05I don't really think I'm going to owe more than like five figures of taxes this year. I'm not going to even break six figures. Okay. Well, count your blessings and then next year you're going to start to get that cortisol spike. We're going to start to see wrinkles forming all around here from the stress of paying taxes. Yeah, no, I'm definitely going to take a big hit, but there's a lot of write-offs this year for sure. This is a looks-maxing tier list. All right. You put Accutane as an S? Absolutely. Yeah. One of the best. I took Accutane. Let's do, I'm actually going to put that B tier. I think that confidence and charisma largely is going to be like genetic.

1:51:44It's not really something like that you could just do. You just either are or aren't. Um, so you can't improve charisma. If you're, no, you don't can improve charisma, but it's largely going to be, you know, you're either charismatic or you're not. And the improvements that you can make are going to be very marginal. Um, I did bone smashing as B tier color theory with clothing. give that like a c decreasing body fat it's going to be an s tier thing eye contact certainly going to be context oriented but it's definitely going to be an important one for like more business setting stuff but eyebrow grooming like these are all good like don't get me wrong it's just like comparatively yeah hairstyle yeah hair transplant hair is life and if you have no hair you have no life makeup's certainly an a-tier looks max that's crazy that you put makeup so high wow mewing let's give that like a c-tier once again comparatively extremely necessary during development you know, micronutrients efficiency, C, outside of puberty, not that important, especially acute deficiency.

1:53:00It's not going to matter that much money. It's certainly going to be an A tier thing. Peptides are going to be, I'm going to put them B tier. It's really just like redish rutide and melanotan. All the rest are great. Rhinoplasty is S tier. Shoulder pads, I like C tier. They're not that good sleep quality okay uh that's gonna be nature as well teeth whitener give that a c the gym give them a so i'd say that's uh my that's my looks max to your list clavicular thank you so much for coming on the iced coffee hour it was really interesting uh i feel like i learned a lot i will not be going home and bone smashing for the record i might graham might he definitely needs a little bit more zygomatic growth.

1:53:49So, but anyways, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. And happy birthday, by the way. Thank you guys, appreciate it. I appreciate you doing it on your birthday of all days. And the grind never stops. It doesn't. Thank you guys so much for watching. Till next time. See ya.