“It’s DISGUSTING!” Logan Paul Breaks Silence on $16M Pikachu, Getting Married, & Spending Everything

11:04Graham Stephan:Everyone looks at you and they always say Logan Paul and Jake Paul are winning. And by winning, we mean like regardless of whatever is happening in the world, you guys will stay on top in terms of popularity, in terms of money, in terms of family, in terms of like overall quality of life, the amount of opportunities, the connections, what you're doing in life. It is absurd how you stay winning. I'm just curious. What is the one thing you chalk all of that up to?

11:32Logan Paul:A lot of things come to mind when I want to answer that question. The most simple way I could answer that question is probably saying, the answer is probably consistency. Consistency regardless of how you or others feel. and I mean that in the sense of if I wake up and I like I don't want to go to work or I don't want to go exercise like I don't really care how I feel I've made like a commitment to to be great and I have these goals that I want to achieve so like 99 % of the time I'm still going to hit the gym or I'm going to go answer the emails uh contrarily when I say how others feel obviously like you guys are sitting with like a polarizing human being.

12:20Logan Paul:Um, and there's a lot of noise out there. Uh, some of it warranted, a lot of it not warranted, but there's noise for everyone. How you or the people online feel about me is completely irrelevant to me. I don't care. I'm going to stay consistent and show up for myself, my family, and my goals every single day. I would bet on someone who is consistently good way more than I would bet on someone who is infrequently great. Consistency is everything.

12:56Graham Stephan:If that answer bothers you, then I recommend looking inwards and seeing what is it? Because on paper, objectively, you are winning. And I 100 % agree. Consistently good beats inconsistently great. Without question. for those that are listening right now that want to add consistency into their life how do you do it like what is the source of this motivation even on days where you're not feeling do you think you

13:19Logan Paul:were born with that man i don't know some some things i'll definitely be like yes i think like i was genetically wired in that way this way i don't think so i think i think i was conditioned this way by by my parents specifically my father um but it can be like learned it can be uh uh influenced into someone like i i always i say this a lot as well like allow yourself to be influenced and inspired by people i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think people do that enough like when they see someone online it oftentimes feels like comparative which is like you said that's like a natural human condition like like i see them doing something um and i compare myself to them what okay that's fair maybe they're doing something that you envy or that you like.

14:04Logan Paul:But for me, I allow that to inspire me like, okay, that's awesome. What can I learn from that person? So allow yourself to be inspired. But the answer to your question is, this is where it gets kind of hard. Bro, you got to have discipline. You got to be disciplined. And that is a difficult thing for a lot of people. Because to be disciplined, you have to have like a motivation that I'm not entirely sure where that always comes from. I can rationalize my motivations and why I'm so disciplined. But you have to be disciplined. I will say for me personally, and I found this as like a 14 year old, being goal oriented really helps.

14:48Logan Paul:Having goals, like goals that you write down on a paper and that when you achieve them, you can take your pen and just cross it off the paper. Something about that to me is, is deeply fulfilling. You walk into my office over there and you'll see goals on a piece of paper with a few of them crossed out. And it's like goals, agenda items, things to do, things to do. Because I think, I think when a, you, um, vocalize your goals, B write down your goals, C visualize your goals. Like you are what you attract. You really are what you attract. It's called, it's called manifestation is what I'm talking about.

15:25Logan Paul:Some people call it prayer. I call It's kind of like can be considered the same thing. But becoming goal oriented, I think, is very important. And having discipline is absolutely essential for any amount of success.

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17:15Logan Paul:What do you feel like people most misunderstand about you? My knee jerk reaction to that question is, I'm not sure if I concern myself too much with what people think of me. Maybe I did at a point in my career, but like, I'm 30 now, okay, which is even crazy to say. And it's different than being 29. For all the 29 year olds out there, like, it's different. I'm 30 years old. like now I'm not like a young kid who's successful now I'm just a rich white guy like that that is the difference when people say look yo how old are you when I was 29 they'd be like dude he's so young wow good for you whole world ahead of you how old are you 30 they go they go oh and I have to just sit there and be like yeah I'm like why don't you lie to say you're 29 can't lie can't do it I'm 30 bro I have a wife and a kid I have a wife and a kid um I think in my youth I spent a period of time going, why doesn't everyone like me?

18:15Logan Paul:I want to be universally liked. And I have come to understand that for every person online or a celebrity influencer, anyone who's putting themselves out there, that is unrealistic. It's so unrealistic. The sooner you can swallow that pill, the happier you will be. And by the way, we can sit here on this podcast and talk about success and money and career accomplishments. the ultimate goal for every human being should be to be become happy you what what more can you ask for than being happy peace of mind and that's that's hard that's hard um and maybe the other stuff helps you get there but like bro all of this is great and i'm i have so many blessings in my life but if i'm an unhappy person none of it fucking matters and so for me when i realized Oh, I cannot please everyone.

19:06Logan Paul:And because I know I can't do that, I'm going to stop trying to rationalize their thoughts about me. And I'm just going to try to live the best honest life that I can with people that I love and raise a family and hopefully be happy along the way. That's where I check that box.

19:20Graham Stephan:You know, people probably want us to be hypercritical of you. And you should and you should and you can. I'll be critical of you where I feel like I have an educated opinion on it. But one thing I remember, you definitely don't remember this. years ago. How many years did we go to his house in LA? Five years ago. Five years ago, we went to your house in LA because Graham bought a pack from you. You were there? When you did the live stream. Yeah, we picked up the, we got the Gyarados. I know, I know, I remember. I remember you. Yeah, yeah, I was there. Bro, my memory, forgive me. I mean, you meet literally millions of people.

19:51Graham Stephan:Also, also, it hit my head for a living like it's like. So, I remember I took a picture with you. I posted it on Instagram. People couldn't believe that I met you, like my hometown friends, whatever. they all asked me how was it you know oh logan i heard he's like kind of like a d-bag i heard he's this or he's that a lot of people also were like holy cow like you met logan paul that's the coolest thing ever and they all asked how was it and i remember thinking to myself you had no reason not a single reason in the world to hear me out i'm a random dude right and then i remember i i said something to you and you didn't quite understand you could have just blown me off and you're like wait what was that again like i want i want to hear your thoughts on this and i was like like this is interesting when he's talking to me he's not focusing on anything else you were genuinely just focused on that exact moment even though i'm a complete random stranger 22 21 years old nothing going on really some stuff going on you had the space to like listen to me which was really interesting and then i met you again when we filmed with jake same exact thing like i was there you were 100 all attentive all in on the conversation your focus was unmatched and the same thing even goes today.

20:53Graham Stephan:It's like, you know, maybe one day I'll become wildly successful so it could pay you in dividends. Who knows? But also back in the day, you had no reason to listen to me whatsoever, but you did, which I was like, I was impressed by. I was like, I felt honored by. And at the end of the day, I think you're a really just inspiring person because, you know, you look at your stats on paper and you're winning. That's just, there's no contest in the fact that you're winning.

21:14Logan Paul:I appreciate you saying that. I try to give everyone the time of day. I do think people's thoughts matter and I want to hear them out but ultimately at the end of the day it's like a thought or an opinion what how do I feel about it and um whatever you were saying obviously like I thought had some merit and you are like a smart individual and you are on a path to great success I think with this podcast especially but you know using this as a stepping stone for like other stuff you want to build or do I think is I think it's good um but I try to give people the time of day and I try to lock in I don't want to be one of those like celebrities or like wealthy individuals who does this to you and I'm sure you guys come across this we like out and about and like talking to you and if you're talking to me it's like they're kind of like looking past you and they're like seeing like like what's what's beyond this conversation and I want you to know I experienced that even like having some accolades myself i'll meet people who i'll be out and about at a social gathering and it's the like looking past talking to me kind of like like to me when people do that it's like it's a little bit like uh this doesn't interest you enough and um i do think that the ability to listen is an underdeveloped skill that most people have and the answer to a lot of people's problems when it comes to like social dynamics or even conversation like open your ears and like really listen i took acting classes for a while and they harped on listening in being the thing that will enhance your acting ability it's even that way in wwe like like to to be believable in wwe which is by the way where i find the pocket if you open your ears and you're really listening to what the guy across from you was saying, you can go anywhere with it, especially if you know your why.

23:10Logan Paul:But that's another conversation.

23:12Graham Stephan:Okay. I mean, I want to dig into that. And like, point is, this is a money podcast. We got to dip into the finances. No matter how much I want to talk about all that stuff. Circle back. Finances. Okay. What was the first big check that you got and what did you spend it on?

23:26Logan Paul:I was a Viner. Rest in peace. I got a deal with Pepsi and they were going to pay me$36 thousand dollars for three vines that's 12k a vine bro was that your first deal it was not my first deal it was my first big deal my first deal was actually for a product i still use to this day on my phone it's called the fly grip this one's broken what a horrible display for them but uh i'm just getting over sickness that's why i keep uh hacking up a lung um this one's broken but i i use the product to this day and i asked them for 10 equity back in the day they said no have they blown up no that's crazy you still use it bro 10 years it's i put it on every phone case this one's broken again you guys should have given me the equity but i guess it doesn't matter anyways yeah it doesn't matter but i think the site's like right yeah yeah it's like they they did not optimize okay and and i am obsessed with the product that was my first deal two thousand dollars by the way wow two thousand dollars is an 18 year old but you went from two thousand to thirty six thousand dollars yeah i was rich what did you spend the money i bought a 2013 dodge challenger srt8 all of it the whole thing yeah was it worth it yeah when 169 in that beast where

24:54Graham Stephan:on the way to vegas you're supposed to say tijuana in tijuana somewhere in mexico yeah

25:00Logan Paul:there was a there was a strip from LA to Vegas you do it you know it yeah there's a strip there where you can rip it whoa that's cool I'm starting a company called rip it so it's cool to have used in a different context where you can rip bro so um there was one time do you know the drive from

25:21Graham Stephan:Vegas to LA how long it is it's like four and a half three and a half hours yeah I made that drive

25:28Logan Paul:in like two hours and 25 minutes one time. At what time? 4 a.m. Oh, wow. I was going so fast for such a long time. Not a single car on the road. Just going in that car. I've had some memories in that car. That was when I was young and I used to drive fast and honestly didn't value my life the way I do now. But I bought that car. I packed up all my belongings, all three of them, including my bird, and moved from Ohio to L.A. in that car. but that was like the first purchase i made i was like as an 18 year old i bought this car and i was like this is insane like i made it mom when do you think you made your first million dollars i know when i made my first million i was 21 i made a list of goals and one of them was to become a millionaire by 21 and i was upset that i became a millionaire at 21 and not by 21 and and and my rule by the way was million liquid million in the bank after tax after taxes oh wow okay yeah yeah which there's a there's a big difference jake actually had a clip on your guys pod i know which one is you know i'm talking about but people were impressed with his ability to understand the difference between like having paper money and being like liquid um which you know you have to make sense you have to account for it right surely and how did your perspective on money change over time?

26:48Logan Paul:I don't think it has, which I don't think is a great answer. My relationship with money has not changed. The stakes have just gotten a lot higher. I take big risks and I like to make money and I like to spend it more. Um, but it's, but it's weird because it's like, it's also not like I'm chasing money. I don't have like this yearning desire to be a billionaire.

27:11Graham Stephan:But why does the average person probably think that you do? Because you do all of these things that are extremely like lucrative it doesn't just so happen that all the things that you enjoy end up me yeah you got a lot of businesses going in fairness there was no money in pokemon and then you went all in on pokemon and then it ended up blowing up the entire thing so in fairness you have that is true money seems

27:33Logan Paul:to be a byproduct of the things i love doing i made youtube videos for 10 years before anyone and realized that you could become a YouTuber and make a career out of it. I played thousands of hours of the Pokemon games before I ever made a penny from Pokemon. And Pokemon, in particular, for me, there's a trifecta. You guys know, I say this all the time. It's business, it's passion, and it's content. It's the perfect trident for me. And Pokemon checks those boxes. That's like kind of my perfect pocket when I can sit somewhere between like storytelling, something i really give a about and like is this a is this a will this be financially viable for me like how could you not do something like that that's like that's like a perfect position for anyone to sit in and pokemon is that wwe is kind of that as well um actually wwe is that i get this

28:28Graham Stephan:i get to i get to do a lot of things where like i can sit in that pocket do you approach things differently now though than you did back when you were like 18 to 20 no i i'm still a massive

28:38Logan Paul:risk taker bro i spent 5.3 million dollars on a pokemon card in 2022 and like people thought i

28:47Graham Stephan:was insane how much of the value of the pikachu illustrator today was attached to your brand and your marketing around the card that's a great because if i were to sell the card yeah i don't think i could get the price that you did even the charizard the psa 10 yeah the logan paul box break sold for almost a million dollars. No. That card, how much more was your name attached to it?

29:11Logan Paul:Let's do math. The previous first edition Charizard price was$550 ,000. The one that said Logan Paul break on it that I pulled from a box break sold for$950 ,000. So roughly 2X, a little under 2X. But do you think that's also because the market

29:31Graham Stephan:has been going up and that maybe...

29:33Logan Paul:Uh, that, that$550 ,000 sale was like a month ago. So the market seems to have gone up a lot in the last month, maybe like 10, maybe like 10%. So like, okay, maybe like one and a half to 1.75 X, um, because of, uh, a premium related to me. So to answer your question, if you would have bought the card for five, three, and you would have sold it, I bet you would have gotten 10 million. The difference is in a very simple way, what we're equating to like anything related to Logan Paul or because it was in my hands is not so much about who I am or, or my brand. I think it's how I, uh, intertwine with the franchise and what has happened because of it.

30:15Logan Paul:I kind of view myself as like a vessel for telling stories and for making big moments in Pokemon. And I think that that is much bigger than me. I happen to be the vehicle for these big moments and for these incredible stories to be told and I intend to do more of that. And like, yes, it's my name, but I think that Logan Paul break represents way more than like Logan Paul. It's not like, oh, Logan Paul touched this card. It's no, this Charizard was pulled in one of the most significant Pokemon moments in history on Logan Paul's stream. Does that make sense? It does.

30:54Graham Stephan:So you say that you're sort of just like the vessel, you're telling the story, but you're not like making the story. The story has existed. It's like kind of avalanched for a long time.

31:01Logan Paul:I am, all I am doing is shining a giant spotlight on something that deserves to be spotlighted. That's how I view it. I, bro,

31:13Graham Stephan:I love Pokemon. When's the last time you beat a Pokemon game? I just beat Scarlet. Are you kidding me?

31:19Logan Paul:Yeah, I just beat Scarlet.

31:20Graham Stephan:Do you play it on Delta Emulator?

31:22Logan Paul:Uh-uh, I haven't recommended it.

31:23Graham Stephan:Okay.

31:24Logan Paul:I have to say, I was not happy with Scarlet.

31:27Graham Stephan:No.

31:28Logan Paul:I think there's an extreme disconnect for like the games that I grew up playing and like the games now.

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34:46the game what's the best pokemon game of all time i mean bro i gotta say crystal

34:52Graham Stephan:emerald why it just is the map is perfect the pacing of the game is really i mean also

34:58Logan Paul:i'm biased because crystal was the first first game yeah that i played and also so every like three years i'll get this bug to go back and and and run run the old school games and like like actually feel like a child again which is awesome um and i recently did it with gold and um when you beat the game as an adult it's kind of like okay how many times do i want to run the elite four back like i can do it a couple times before i'm like i shit man my pokemon are like level 55 to 70 like i i'm kind of capped out here and um i like the battle tower a lot in crystal and i thought gold had it and it didn't it didn't have the battle tower and i was i was looking for it because the battle tower provides like a variable that you can like test your skills and it's hard too in crystal and it didn't i i ran through it i beat it and it didn't have it i was like damn i played the wrong game i didn't realize it wasn't in that generation okay i mean let's let's

35:57Graham Stephan:not get too distracted here but you have to nuzlocke if anything you have to do a nuzlocke run what is a nuzlocke oh my god no you gotta help me i've never heard of that either oh okay help me to people that are big pokemon gamer fanatics nuzlocking is a custom set of rules totally viral it's like it's it's a very rigid way of playing the game that makes it challenging and way more dopaminergic when you really oh my god yeah and what and what system any system it's not like like i mean there are ways that you can get like a pokemon emerald nuzlock rom whoa on your phone so you can just play with the rules already implemented into the game but the general premise is you cannot level your Pokemon higher than the level cap.

36:37Graham Stephan:And the level cap is the highest level Pokemon of the next gym leader. You also can only ever catch, you can only catch the first encounter you get on any route. So if it's Route 101, whoever you run into first, whether that's Zigzagoon, whether that's Poochiana, whether that's Wurmpul, you have to catch that. And then the next Route 102, the first encounter. And so it doesn't let you build the exact same team. You have to play with a random set of Pokemon that you would not normally play with. And if a Pokemon ever faints, you have to trash it. You can never use it. So your Pokemon cannot die.

37:07Graham Stephan:Tough. You have to Nuzlocke. The stakes are way higher. You'll die. You'll have to restart your run. You'll lose. It's incredible. Nuzlocke is a game changer. It adds so much more excitement to these games because every game will be exactly the same. You're going to play with the same Pokemon. You're going to get over-leveled. And then the game is going to be easier. But this adds stakes and strategy. Yeah, I know. Oh, it's so much better.

37:26Logan Paul:I have my starting six that I like. It's just I'll wipe everyone away.

37:29Graham Stephan:So I always like Pokemon Snap.

37:30Logan Paul:map that was i like that was an og remember when they did the picture thing yes of course i did

37:35Graham Stephan:that i went to blockbuster and i printed it out and i sent it in i tried all of that it's it's

37:40Logan Paul:it's truly the greatest franchise ever because it just it's just it's perfect it's the perfect franchise and i i tweeted something recently where i was like man pokemon should do like uh bring like see if you can inject a nostalgia into a game that they're releasing and i was like use like old school sprites and designs like uh the pixelated like eight bit kind of style yeah um with all of the new pokemon so like the look and feel that that we know and love um but with but with the new pokemon and kind of like inject nostalgia man some of the pokemon community like i mean they're like haven't you heard of fire red and leaf green i'm like that was 22 years ago bro do you understand what i'm saying it was 22 years ago and there's a rumor that as part of the 30th anniversary for Pokemon, they're going to re-release FireRed and LeafGreen on Switch in this pixelated sprite style.

38:33Logan Paul:In which case, I'm just like, bro, I'm not just like saying this. I'm not just like a random guy being like, here's an idea. Like, bro, I've had some.

38:43Graham Stephan:No, I mean, I've seen your passion for Pokemon. Like, it's real, it's genuine, and it extends beyond anyone else I've talked to.

38:48Logan Paul:There are people who do not believe I like Pokemon. It is a criticism that I think is insane, especially because, like, bro, I have one tattoo. It is a Squirtle. I got the tattoo before I ever bought a trading card as an adult. I didn't even know it was a viable. Look at it.

39:12Logan Paul:It's Squirtle, bro. It's there. It's cool Squirtle. Yeah. And so, like, dog, I think it's like shit like that where I'm like,

39:21Graham Stephan:bro y 'all are just trying to invalidate everything i do how many business ventures do you have right now seven what are these ventures and what do their numbers look like how do they compose

39:33Logan Paul:your income net worth i will say them and then you can dive into each one sure prime lunchly anti-fund wwe impulsive rip it i guess my i guess my youtube channel yeah my vlogs and this isn't a business venture but as far as like how i value or like divvy my time my family is like very high on that list obviously it's my family so it's number one but as far as the time divvying up this is those are the eight things what surprised you in terms of being the most lucrative yeah like i don't know money's money's money's money's money's hard to make and and and none of it is like coming easy bro like it's hard what's the hardest part about it i will say the first thing that comes to mind is with prime and lunchly being that we have entered the cpg space where there are legitimate corporate giants right that have been around forever like legacy brands we have found it both a blessing and a curse to be the underdog represented by influencers you know me and ksi at the end of the day like boil us down to like what we are we're like we're creators we're content creators which is a blessing because it allows us to um surprise and shock people and like flash back to when prime first came out man it was the hottest it was the hottest drink on the on the planet there was a there was a south park episode entirely devoted to spoofing prime you You know, drink cred, bro.

41:10Logan Paul:We got cred, boys. Which is insane. I just saw it in Fortnite, bro. They put the Prime parody, cred, in Fortnite on their South Park characters. Like, out of all the things in the South Park franchise they could have put in Fortnite, they chose a cred bottle, which is insane. It's such an honor. It's such an honor. But this, like, really broke through the mold, right? because people are like, holy shit, these influencers came together. They told a cool story. They have a really good product that actually makes sense. A better for you hydration drink. That's our thesis. Better for you products.

41:50Logan Paul:That's what we did with Lunchly as well. We kind of saw it turn on us a little bit because it's almost like you live and die by the sword because when these fake narratives were spun up about, so for Prime, it was like PFAS, forever chemicals yeah we got sued destroyed the lawsuit there's no merit to it but like bro the headline for every tiktok lawyer looking for clicks is like prime soon for pfas forever and and and so the hardest part that's that's a lot of context the hardest part for us has been having to consistently fight these negative narratives that most of the time have little to no truth to them that do damage the goodwill of the brand that we've built.

42:34Logan Paul:And people unfortunately believe it.

42:36Graham Stephan:Are there any narratives that are true? Like I've been seeing these videos lately. It's like Prime is dead. Prime sales are down. I see that. It's on the clearance section.

42:46Logan Paul:Yeah, I see that.

42:47Graham Stephan:How much of that is true?

42:49Logan Paul:It's completely untrue. It's completely untrue. Bro, if I told you the sales we were doing, you'd be shocked. People still see the value in our product because it tastes good and it's better for you. Like, I see people drinking Gatorade. I'm like, what are you doing?

43:03Graham Stephan:Do you ever think there's other brands conspiring behind the scenes to try to like, hey, let's knock Prime down a little bit? I will say.

43:11Logan Paul:I found it a little odd when Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer was making a press conference about an energy drink that happened to be called Prime. It seems a little weird that the Senate majority leader would take time out of his day to address an up-and-coming influencer product called Prime. It is my opinion that there was some behind the scenes lobbying going on by big corporate giants that saw the disruption that we were causing in the market and came up with an incredibly creative way to disrupt the uptick of our brand.

43:50Graham Stephan:To me, it seemed like maybe there was just like parental confusion between this, the energy drink and that what you're drinking. And then the parents are buying this for their kids who are like 10 years old. And then they're getting wired at school and sharing with their friends. And like that, that's how I interpreted that.

44:07Logan Paul:We are in the stance of we've done a lot to try to differentiate the products. I mean, one comes in a can, one comes in a bottle. One is marketed as 18 plus, the other is not. One says energy drink on it, the other says hydration. I'm curious, Google estimates your net worth at$150 million.

44:26Graham Stephan:Is that accurate? And where do they get these numbers from? Where do they get the numbers from? I don't know. That's not accurate. Okay, we're going to guess. Okay. Okay. Are we talking liquid or are we talking like? Well, I was, what I think is that you might have like, what I think is that you might have 80 to 90 million liquid. That's what I think. And in equity in prime, another 150. I mean, I could sit and do some napkin math to hopefully be a little more accurate. 200 million in equity in prime. That's what my guess is. We were trying to figure this out earlier. My number is the same as Jack.

45:05Graham Stephan:I think about 80 to 90. Liquid, and then... Yeah, 200-ish in prime equity. Yeah.

45:13Logan Paul:You're way off on the liquid.

45:15Graham Stephan:So 30 million liquid? 40 million liquid?

45:18Logan Paul:You're much closer.

45:20Graham Stephan:Okay.

45:20Logan Paul:Really? Yeah. Guys, I spend money. The house and the collectibles and... Bro, I spend money.

45:27Graham Stephan:But tax? You don't even pay very much in tax.

45:32Logan Paul:I spend money. I don't know what to say.

45:33Graham Stephan:Okay, well, we got to get into some of the spending because that's honestly surprising. I thought that for sure. What's the point of having liquid cash? Margin of safety, I feel. I'm not talking margin. I'm not taking like cash, cash. I got investments. I can take stocks. Fuck safety, brother. Bonds. A few treasuries. Do you have stocks? Nope. No way. Are you kidding me? Do you have a financial advisor? Yeah.

46:02Logan Paul:He thinks I'm a lunatic.

46:04Graham Stephan:Then why even hire this person to begin with? You're not going to listen to him.

46:07Logan Paul:I consider him more of a certified public accountant than an advisor.

46:11Graham Stephan:And what does this person tell you to do that you don't listen to? Everything. Part of me wonders, why do you need to do different business? Because from my perspective, I see like WWE is like massive. Prime is massive. You got your podcast that you could be doing anytime. And you got a wife and a daughter. It just seems like that's a lot. Like most people couldn't even handle two of those things. Like why keep pushing it and doing new brands and building new things?

46:40Logan Paul:A, I feel compelled to, like I genuinely feel called to make this stuff. B, I have a bit of occupational ADD where like I cannot function if I'm only working on one or two things. Like I have to keep my mind busy. and um actually besides this past uh monday night where like i did throw a couple back to celebrate the illustrator sale um i've been sober and that clarity like has made me like a working maniac like all i can think about is work my my brain is just like exploding with ideas and like have to get them out have to have to do do do do um um i feel i feel called to and i also feel that um i have a ability in the collecting space to like make something really good and it made a lot of sense for me because like i i clearly like have some influence as like a collector it feels like um there's meat on the bone if i'm not taking an opportunity to try to build something disruptive in the collectible space.

47:52Graham Stephan:You do have an eye to be early, it seems like, to a lot of the collectibles. What really caught my attention is you were collecting a Bob Ross, and you were bidding against Drake. Yeah. Did you see it?

48:04Logan Paul:It's in there. No, I didn't see it.

48:06Graham Stephan:You should check it out. But that was something where I thought, oh man, now I want a Bob Ross. And that was never something I'd think about. Or even the Space Jam that was down there. I'm like, that is so cool. and now I see one on eBay, which I'm pretty sure I'm just going to go ahead and buy. You have to do it. But how do you figure out what's going to be going up in value? Do you buy it with future value in mind or do you just buy what you like?

48:30Logan Paul:Very, very rarely. Very rarely.

48:37Logan Paul:It's taste. I wish I had like an answer you could dissect, but it's taste. I buy things I'm interested in. hopefully they hold their value but like yo flashback to two years ago like yo brother your pokemon card was not holding its value dog like pokemon had a lull a big lull um and it's easy to say now like man pokemon's exploding it's like if you believe in the long-term vision no problem i do especially for pokemon um bob ross is a legend bro legend and his art is actually really good i know it's really good art so yeah i got a bob ross yeah i lost an auction against drake but i got all sorts of stuff that i think is like best in class assets and um i'd also sit in this unique position where like if i tell the story around the thing right i take my spotlight and go yo look at this here's why it's important i think people go oh yeah i can see why that illustrator is worth that much it could only be one at an illustration contest only 39 of them are rewarded and it was created by itsuku nishida the creator of pikachu it's a pikachu created by the creator of pikachu that's insane you couldn't buy this card from a pack you had to be earned by the best illustrators of a core core comic contest like that's that's an interesting story that like no one knew and now people know and like the value was there.

50:02Graham Stephan:So you're telling me you had a third of your net worth in a Pokemon card.

50:08Logan Paul:Hold on a second. We never actually said what my net worth was.

50:11Graham Stephan:But liquid-ish. I mean, like, would you consider that liquid net worth? It's mostly, I mean, you could probably offload that relatively quickly.

50:20Logan Paul:More of my net worth was in cardboard than like any financial advisor would tell you makes any sense. It's not just something you made. It's the privilege that you get to work with your hands. It's building something that serves a purpose. Proof that you have the grit to keep going. At Timberland, we understand you take your craft seriously and we do too, which is why our products are built to the highest quality. We put in the work so you can perfect yours with purpose in every detail and crafted with intention. Timberland, built on craft. Visit Timberland.com to shop. What am I going to do with the stock, bro?

51:02Logan Paul:Let it appreciate it. Let it appreciate it. It pays dividends. Compound interest. I go to the vault that we store the cards in. I look at my card and I feel good. I feel like Ash Ketchum out there, bro.

51:11Graham Stephan:We got to talk about how you're wasting money because there has to be some phantom drain. There has to be some money that's being.

51:18Logan Paul:Bro, I just told you I spent, I sent 101.2 million to the wrong wallet. Like talk about wasting money. It's gone.

51:24Graham Stephan:But if we talk about in the big picture, I mean, it sucks, but it's not going to be life ruining. Yeah. Yeah. what's the worst money you've ever spent?

51:35Logan Paul:My$90 ,000 Mercedes couch that ARAC jumped from a plane with. Such a stupid decision.

51:42Graham Stephan:Whose idea was that to buy the couch? ARAC. No, you. Oh, sorry, to buy the couch. Yeah.

51:48Logan Paul:Me, yeah. The idea was this, because I had just bought a Mercedes lifted G-Wagon. And the idea was that when I get home, I hop out the Mercedes to go sit on some Mercedes. i thought i was a gangster bro i was in my like like youtube flex era we're like we're like you know i brought wear like a whole handful of rings and like chains and look like a dweebo like bro i look back at my 2016 2017 vlogs and like i hate myself like as a 30 year old man i look back and like i would not have been a fan of myself you know what i'm saying yeah and so i see some of these youngsters these days and i'm like man they're young you know they'll age up everyone

52:32Graham Stephan:changes how much do you think you've spent on pokemon cards just that 10 mil at least are there any of those cards you regret buying no and what does your current collection look like today

52:46Logan Paul:gangster it's incredible i'm sitting i'm i'm sitting in the best position i've ever sat in as far as a collector because I've diversified. Five years ago, I was very vocal about collecting Pokemon. Then I realized something. If I'm vocal about something and a market spikes and I want more of it, I've essentially just bid against myself because now everyone's charging 1.5 to 2x of what they were charging because I told the story about it. And so now I've been collecting in silence on some things that I just have not spoken about because I'm well aware that like if I tell you I love dinosaurs and like I've probably spent a million dollars in dinosaurs.

53:35Logan Paul:I'm gonna have to spend two million dollars to get the same thing. And like I've experienced that as well, dude. I put a two million dollar offer on a dinosaur skull. The guy said no. Did he know it was you? Yeah, he knew it was me. Do you think that hurt you? Sometimes. sometimes because here's another thing i will not overpay because i'm me you will risk losing the

53:56Graham Stephan:deal why can't you have a lawyer reach out on your behalf because i've noticed i've wanted a dinosaur for a very long time any sort of fossil or foot yeah skull and then ken griffin bought that stegosaurus and the values have now just like quadrupled i can't buy a dinosaur anymore i

54:15Logan Paul:watched i watched the auction happen live i was gonna bid on it the estimate was between four and six million brother four and six million we sat there with the auction live ready to hit bid four four million four point five five probably on all the same auction oh yeah that is hilarious and so i'm watching this that stegosaurus go up i'm like 11 million this is crazy twice the estimate 25 million 30 eventually i was like bro what what's what's happening here it's actually that auction that made me realize that my car could go nuclear, which is what happened.

54:45Graham Stephan:Same thing happened with the Paul Newman Rolex Daytona. When that sold at a crazy price, it brought up the entire watch market with it.

54:52Logan Paul:Yeah. So dinosaurs are, dinosaurs are, they're one of the best asset classes to invest in, in my opinion, because it's also the coolest piece of art you will ever see. It's a dinosaur. My prized possession is a 66 million year old triceratops skull. How much do you buy that for? 500K. What's it valued at now? Probably a million. Bought it like three years before years ago.

55:16Graham Stephan:So I wish it was in this house. It's in my other house. What is the logic to have millions of dollars in dinosaurs, but zero in the stock market?

55:24Logan Paul:The f*** am I going to do with the stock, bro? Let me tell you what happens when I come downstairs in the morning and I see a 66 million year old triceratops skull sitting there. It puts my humanity in perspective. In one moment, I go, man, we really are just like an evolved speck of dust that we have this short little amount of time to live on this earth. The dinosaurs were the greatest species to ever roam the earth. Do you know how many years they were around, guys? Hundreds of millions of years. Literally. Do you know how many years humans have been around? Between 200 and 300 ,000. To put that into perspective, it's like, bro, we are a blip.

56:06Logan Paul:on this radar of Earth. The dinosaurs are the greatest species to ever roam the planet. To get to own a piece of that and let myself be inspired and count my blessings every day and look up at the sky and realize my humanity. Bro, NVIDIA stock can't make me do that. Shout out Jensen. Are you buying more dinosaurs? I can't afford them, bro.

56:27Graham Stephan:Because I like Pokemon too much. Maybe if you invested, those investments would be able to buy your dinosaurs.

56:34Logan Paul:Let me tell you something.

56:35Graham Stephan:Yeah.

56:36Logan Paul:had my beautiful daughter. I had about six months of like a bit of a lull where I wasn't doing WWE and I was taking my time to be a dad. But my brain like just will go and I'll just start like conceptualizing stuff. And I got very deep into starting like a dinosaur company, a fossil company. I know, yeah.

56:56Graham Stephan:I mean, look, I - I honestly believe dinosaurs are going to be possible. I agree. I mean, oh. I've gone down all the documentaries on like the fossils and the dinosaur market and who's buying these and why geologists say, oh, they should be in collections, not in private hands. I've seen everything. It's true. I'm obsessed with them.

57:14Logan Paul:Bro, they're incredible. Yeah. That, though, is the dilemma. And I'm glad Ken Griffin is loaning his dinosaur out to, I think, the Museum of Natural History in New York. Because, like, to have a specimen like Apex, that's Stegosaurus. So for$44.6 million, being a private collection is, like, a bit of a shame. and I even like, I have this triceratops call, right? And like, I'm like, yo, maybe it should be in a museum. Maybe it should triceratops. There's a lot more of them. So like that one maybe, but like the one of one stands or shoes, the big T-Rex, like that, bro, those can't be in private collections.

57:49Logan Paul:So I do hope that if people are collecting like these otherworldly best in class, 70 % bone completion specimens, I'd like that they'd be in museums or collections where like young people especially can see them and allow themselves to be to marvel at this spectacle that is prehistoric fossils.

58:11Graham Stephan:In terms of spending, though, what was the logic behind buying this house?

58:15Logan Paul:Yeah, it is really expensive. It was not like a financially sound decision because of how much money it was. um a couple like kind of practical things i think like you can understand one um our old place there was construction next door that started at 7 a.m every single morning we have about another two years of that i think and like that's tough bro because uh i need sleep if i if i don't sleep i'm not gonna be able to do i'm not gonna be able to survive i also was ready to enter my billionaire phase bro to be honest with you i was ready to i was ready to level up and become like a big boy and put my back against the wall and live in an environment that I felt would be conducive to my work and force me to lock in.

58:58Logan Paul:I told myself if I moved in this house, I would stop smoking weed, which is like, It's a bit of a vice for me. I got to watch that demon. It truly is the devil's lettuce. Truly. And I did. And I've been locked in, bro. Has having more money made you happier? It's made me more appreciative, which I think manifests itself in interesting ways. It's made me more grateful. like bro i look i am like glancing outside every so often like i can't believe this is my house and i'm so grateful for it and i pray every day and i just thank and that gratitude is like provides an interesting level of happiness i think that like doesn't it hasn't gone away like i also am someone who am pretty good at perspective which is like way easier said than none but if you can master the art of perspective like you're sitting in a good spot but bro how can i complain about anything in this house suffering is suffering shut the up bro shut the up you're a billionaire and like in a beautiful house and there's people like suffering on the streets bro like shut the up you're like you're good and i get it bro i have bad days and i'm gonna complain and i'm kind of being a hypocrite a little bit but like bro it could be way worse

1:00:30Graham Stephan:dog you know what i'm saying so you found that you you got more motivation buying the house and having this huge purchase that kind of lit the flame like your back is up against the wall now

1:00:39Logan Paul:you got to make it work i've always loved doing that i've always loved doing that back against because i'm a fighter bro like my back's against the wall jake does the same thing we do the same thing. We're similar in this way. We, we, we spend money in a way that like makes us have to continue working. And I also know other successful people who do, who do this as well. Like spend the money. God make, God make money, bro. Got no choice now. You don't want to let your family down. I don't, I don't want to lose the house. Do you think money has changed you at all? Would you say it's for the better or for the worse?

1:01:13Logan Paul:I think it's for the better because I've been humbled so many other times by life in various regards. Everyone on the internet knows what I'm talking about. But like, dude, I've failed. Like more times than one in front of the whole world. That can destroy a person or humble them. But a humility check for any man is not a bad thing. In fact, I think most people need it. I had to be checked by life like multiple times. And I think it's led me to, if I do say so myself, be like a semi-grounded person who is still somewhat in touch with reality, although living an extremely unrelatable life and having a lot of resources.

1:02:03Logan Paul:And I'm like, I'm proud of myself for that, to be honest with you. Side tangent here, I just want to say

1:02:09Graham Stephan:one of my favorite videos of yours was the Tetris video. Dude. Thank you.

1:02:15Logan Paul:Thank you so much. That was such a fun video to make. And I think it went like under the radar.

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1:05:07Graham Stephan:The link is also down below in the description. Thank you so much to Shopify for sponsoring this episode. The private jet. Do you want to get one? Will you get a private jet? How will you justify it?

1:05:19Logan Paul:We travel so much for WWE. Like every Monday I'm on the road and I'm also in Puerto Rico. So pull up a map. It's an island to the bottom right of the United States. We can fly commercially, commercially pretty easy to the East Coast, which I'm not opposed to. Because it obviously you save way more money. and I definitely joke about it, but if you can fly commercial, like fly commercial. Fastest dollar earned is the dollar save. That said, flying private is truly one of the greatest luxuries a human can experience. It is incredible for so many reasons. I've had some of the most remarkable conversations I've ever had in my life and experiences on private jets.

1:05:59Logan Paul:And obviously that sounds like pompous and like maybe a bit out of touch, But, man, it's a wild experience to get to fly 40 ,000 feet in the air on something that is solely yours and you don't have to go through TSA. You can eat food up there. It's just quiet. You can sleep.

1:06:20Graham Stephan:Could you financially justify buying a private jet right now? Yeah. And why don't you? Because it feels like that would also light the fire.

1:06:30Logan Paul:Spending a lot of money on other stuff, bro. Collectibles. Okay. For example, Rip It, bro? Yeah. I'll have invested over$7 million by the time that we launch.

1:06:44Graham Stephan:Does Nina ever say, hey, Logan, maybe we shouldn't be spending. Maybe let's put some aside. Does she ever?

1:06:52Logan Paul:Yes, but something happened that made her no longer do that. On an episode of our reality show, Paul American, I told her I bought Wayne Gretzky's final championship game hockey stick. for$336 ,000. She was like, what the f*** is wrong? Like, in a nice way, she was just like, oh my God, I can't believe you bought a stick for that much. I'm like, it's Wayne Gretzky's, the f***ing great one. You know, my stupid man brain, like, rationalizing this insane purchase. And then I think a lot of people were like, it's, commenting, it's his money, don't tell him how to spend it, whatever. And she was like, okay, fine.

1:07:32Logan Paul:Like, I, you know what? You're right. Spend the money how you want. And I also think she sees that like the stuff that I buy holds its value because they're best in class assets. They're grails. Yeah. You know? And so I think she's gotten a little more trust in my ability to spend money and then have it store its value and hopefully one day make money.

1:07:49Graham Stephan:It's just insane to me that you have more money in a stick than you do in stocks.

1:07:54Logan Paul:I don't have a single stock, boys.

1:07:57Graham Stephan:Have you ever had one?

1:07:58Logan Paul:Yes.

1:07:59Graham Stephan:What happened?

1:07:59Logan Paul:I found E-Trade annoying.

1:08:01Graham Stephan:And so you just like told your guy, hey, get me out of everything. Yeah. Did you make money when you had the stocks? So you've only ever lost money in the stock market? Yeah. Technically? Yeah. What stock was it? I don't know. And who told you to buy it? I don't know. So you downloaded E-Trade, transferred money in, bought something, sold something, got out, and then bought a dinosaur head?

1:08:25Logan Paul:That's about right.

1:08:28Graham Stephan:I think, over the next 20 years, I do think a dinosaur is going to outperform the stock market, in fairness. It depends what you buy. What's the dinosaur to buy? If you have a budget under a million dollars to buy a dinosaur. Okay. Or how much is it to get a grail piece that's not like, you know,$40 million? Buy a T-Rex tooth, bro.

1:08:48Logan Paul:How much are those? Probably$50 ,000 plus. Depends what size you buy. But like, I have one in that room, but like, I bought it for like$30 ,000. It's worth like$60 ,000 now.

1:08:58Graham Stephan:I mean, that is pretty cool.

1:09:00Logan Paul:It's a Tyrannosaurus Rex tooth. and those, I don't want, those, the argument of like, it should be in a museum doesn't apply because there are a lot of T-Rex teeth, but like not enough to make it the value completely dropped.

1:09:14Graham Stephan:But doesn't that make it less valuable because there's so many teeth out there?

1:09:17Logan Paul:That's where this gets interesting. This is what I realized when I was starting, thinking about starting a dinosaur company. Okay. I pulled a T-Rex tooth from the earth myself. We went digging, which is also, I hear some people being like, dinosaurs maybe dinosaurs didn't exist go yourself you idiots of course they exist i pulled the t-rex tooth out of the earth myself could have been planted there by somebody no chance zero percent chance no way no it was it was and it was an incredible experience and in that moment right i'm looking around we're in the middle of montana with the hell creek hooligans shout out to the hooligans who just unearthed by the way the largest t-rex tooth ever found ever just like 13 14 inches

1:09:57Graham Stephan:long it's like this big it's insane is this the guy that owns all the land there he does own a

1:10:01Logan Paul:lot of land but i don't know if it's that the guy yeah but yes he owns a ton of land sure we're on that ton of land i'm looking around bro we're in the middle of nowhere we're in the middle of nowhere and i'm like dude how did you find this little plot of dirt to dig in that is like uncovered an ankylosaurus skull uh he found a pachycephalosaurus there he's in the middle of getting like a like a femur out of the ground and so i'm like how the did he do this it's like a needle in a haystack but then i started thinking about what i told you about earlier dinosaurs were around for hundreds of millions of years humans have been around for 300 000 years do you know how many dinosaur bones there are in the earth they're probably bro everywhere there are there are dinosaur bones everywhere you got to be in the right area right there's like a like a dino straight in middle america but if you can figure out how to optimize and efficiently find and extract the dinosaur bones from the earth there's a real business there because dog let me tell you some no offense to the hooligans and i love these guys but sticking your knife in the ground and twisting it just to find a teeth for eight hours a day a tooth for eight hours a day is not a viable way to um optimize the extraction of fossils from the earth so theoretically like a machine or

1:11:30Graham Stephan:something that just stomps and scans right wouldn't that make you bearish on the prices of dinosaur memorabilia like yes so is it a good or bad investment i don't think anyone has the wherewithal

1:11:46Logan Paul:in the dinosaur space to do what i'm saying there are few people who could do it some of which are some of whom are friends of mine but it's hard it's like a real operation and i got i'm telling you i got close to doing i have the sickest i feel like they're going to do it when the value

1:12:03Graham Stephan:reaches a certain point and then the cost of not doing that becomes higher than what they're able to unearth.

1:12:08Logan Paul:You just got to have the grit and the drive. I become obsessed with these things, bro. Obsessed. Right now, I am obsessed. Well, I'm always obsessed, but right now, especially, I'm obsessed with collectibles. Obsessed. That's why I have to make Rip It. Also, it's called Rip It. What a dope name, bro. It's my proudest branding accomplishment ever that we got the trademark for. Rip It.

1:12:31Graham Stephan:Is there a number where you would feel done financially? No. Do you plan on being a billionaire?

1:12:40Logan Paul:No, I think I'll become one, but like I don't plan on it. I think I'll become one though, God willing.

1:12:46Graham Stephan:At what money amount does more money stop making such an impact on like overall happiness and like what you are able to do? I've heard about like a hundred million.

1:13:00Logan Paul:The difference between like a hundred million and a billion is kind of like marginal, I think. Then I also think there's another level of the billions and billions that is a level of wealth you can't even understand. I can't even understand it. I've seen it. It's unfathomable.

1:13:19Graham Stephan:In your own life, was there a certain inflection point where more money didn't really make that much of a difference? I think I'm here.

1:13:28Logan Paul:But that's actually not true at all. Because, like, bro, I like... If you gave me$16.5 million, for example, I could spend that tomorrow. Tomorrow. What would you buy? Pokemon cards. I am currently on a Pokemon mission unlike no other. That is, will be the most insane story that's ever been told in Pokemon. How much do you think Gary King Pokemon's collection is worth?

1:14:00Graham Stephan:At least 10 million. You don't think more than that? given that he has so many of the first edition PSA 10 Charizards? I don't think. Does he have, he has like 20 of them?

1:14:10Logan Paul:No. No? No, I think he has like between eight and 10 that I know of. Who knows? He's a gangster, but he has a sealed case of first edition boxes that he opened just to check if it was first edition boxes. And it was, so like, let's, it's essentially sealed. That alone is worth, it's the thing I tried to buy that I got scammed out of. the G.I. Joe cards that turned out to be G.I. Joe cards. That alone is... I mean, that's probably six to seven million. So yeah, I guess you're right. I don't know, probably between 10 and 15 million. Probably, maybe more. I think it's 20. God dang.

1:14:48Graham Stephan:Because what he does, I've noticed, it's always up on eBay when you search for Pokemon and he prices it about 30-something percent higher than the market value. Yeah. And it consistently raises. Yeah. I remember when it was$5 ,555 ,000 for the whole collection, and then it went to$10 ,000, and then$15 ,000, and then$20 ,000. I think it's$33 ,000 now.

1:15:06Logan Paul:So, for example, if I had a ton of money, bro, I would just clean these collections because I just really believe in Pokemon, especially because, like, dude, you ever see kids rip packs these days? They're careful about them. They are obsessed. Young people are obsessed with ripping packs. They're playing the game. Pokemon is still the highest-grossing franchise in the world. So to me, that is a determinant that tells me Pokemon has at least another 10 to 20 years. Because in the same way that it affected me as a child and then I grew up and got some money. Which, by the way, is the same thing that happened to AJ Scaramucci, the guy who bought my card.

1:15:42Logan Paul:When we were talking at the end, he's probably 33. And guess what? Him and his brother love Pokemon. They went to tournaments. They were like battling. They were invested in Pokemon. then all of a sudden these little uh these little youths grow up and make some money and can spend um their money on this alternative asset class and so it will happen for uh the youth now who will grow up and make some money and be able to um invest copious amounts of money on pokemon

1:16:10Graham Stephan:so how are you investing your money today like where is your like net worth allocated real estate no stocks like what percentage pokemon as opposed to other alternative investments a lot of it is in

1:16:22Logan Paul:real estate like i i have two houses here bro it's a lot there's a lot of money um a lot of it's in pokemon um a lot of it's in this this collectible platform that i'm personally investing into um like besides the real estate bro i'm kind of just kind of like betting on myself a little bit betting on myself investing myself and like the things i'm buying at least the collectible stuff is stuff that i think like stories can be told around it you know or like that deserve that spotlight that I mentioned.

1:16:53Graham Stephan:And then of course you have prime, which have you ever been offered a buyout? Buyout. Yeah. No, never once. No.

1:17:03Logan Paul:Everyone wants to invest in it. Would you sell prime for 5 billion right now? It's, it's funny. Cause that's obviously like a ton of money guys. That would make me a billionaire overnight. Um, but like there's one place for the newest drops

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1:18:15Logan Paul:Feed your lawn. Feed it. I think I've reached a point where I just don't know. I don't know. Like money, like money, but like the, it's just a number. Like it becomes a bit marginal. I think I'm at that point. This question earlier. Like, I think I'm at that point where it's like, I don't know.

1:18:35Graham Stephan:If it's worth it, I guess I could phrase it like this. There comes a point in your life where you will not do something simply for the sake of more money.

1:18:43Logan Paul:Oh, I'm there.

1:18:44Graham Stephan:Yeah. Yeah.

1:18:45Logan Paul:I'm there.

1:18:45Graham Stephan:So money is not the biggest motivator. It becomes something else. That's yeah. Yeah. That's where I'm at. What do you think is an invalid criticism that you get?

1:18:53Logan Paul:To put this the most blunt possible is that any inclination that I'm a scammer like that is that is it's patently false. And unfortunately, I'm in a position where the only way to prove that is in a courtroom, which I intend to do sooner rather than later. and I'm looking forward to it because online, a lot of false narratives can be spun up and unfortunately people believe them. But yeah, I'd say it's, I'd say it's that the businesses that I build are not started with anything but the best intentions. I don't, I don't, like bro, I don't, I don't, if it's not abundantly clear to you, like I'm not chasing money.

1:19:38Logan Paul:I like building and it happens to be a byproduct of things that I make, like I'm good at making it, I'm better at spending it. But like I like building and I try to make stuff that I think is disruptive and fun and people can use and like it doesn't always work out. And I think there is a bit of a misconception that people have in that something not working out in a business setting doesn't mean you had bad intentions. Does that make sense? especially now especially if you can be made into clickbait and like a youtube thumbnail and like people can make tons and tons and tons of videos about you to enrich themselves and get attention like bro god bless you go go do that get that bread but when you lie over and over again video after video time and time again and you know you're lying eventually you may find yourself being held accountable in a court.

1:20:36Graham Stephan:I have noticed that a lot of times people will, to me, almost like make something up and then everyone sees this and it gets a lot of likes and then they treat it as fact because that one comment got a lot of likes. Like recently, apparently Jack had a trust fund. I was unaware of. And Jack shares the name. Elon Musk is a distant relative of mine, according to the general public, because there's another individual that shares my same name, Jack Selby, and he was a part of the PayPal mafia. I've never met him. I've never spoken to him. I tried to speak to him. Didn't work out. And he somehow knew Elon.

1:21:11Graham Stephan:And Elon is apparently my father, but he's not. And so this got a bunch of likes. And then people were responding to this comment saying, wow, I never knew Jack. I've been watching this podcast for five years. I never knew he was a descendant of generational wealth. And then other comments were like, yeah, you didn't know that? And then also this. And I'm like, where did this come about? It was also crazy. I mentioned a while, years ago, that my dad was an animator for Disney in the 80s and 90s. And then someone spun that up that my dad was an executive at Disney and that he gave me clients when I started in real estate and that I wouldn't have been successful if it were not for my dad being an executive at Disney feeding me clients at 18 years.

1:21:53Graham Stephan:And I have no idea where they come up with this, but everyone's like, oh, wow. No, I had no idea. It's funny. Graham never mentioned this. Why would he be hiding this? Now it all makes sense.

1:22:03Logan Paul:Boys, I'm going to tell you something. People will believe anything that makes their reality make sense. The truth is no longer important or objective. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter, especially with AI now. People are not going to know what to believe. And so they'll either believe everything or believe nothing. But I think people are idiots, generally speaking, and will probably believe everything. They do not care about truth. They do not care about resolve. They do not care about nuance. So if a headline makes sense to them that fits their interpretation of reality and what they're seeing, that's what they're going to be glued to.

1:22:41Logan Paul:And then if they find out facts that negate that information, facts, facts, evidence, truth that negates that evidence, they don't care. It doesn't matter to them. It doesn't fit their reality. And so like, bro, I'm done like trying to convince people. look bro you gotta believe me i'm even even that's that's why like i have no interest in talking about certain stuff that like no matter how much i say like people always are gonna have something to say and like if you want to get to the bottom of it great like let's uh let's lawyer up and and and flesh it out in a courtroom setting because you can't hide in court and for that reason it's fantastic truth matters like it's a jury of your peers not dumb youtube audience that's influenced by the other guy in the echo chamber comment section.

1:23:28Logan Paul:Like, that's insane. That's not facts, bro. Even on X. Bro, some of the, I get community notes on X. Flames me. But a lot of the times, it's incorrect. Like, it's a community note written by members of the community, upvoted by members of the community. And if you're someone like me who has a large community that doesn't like you, they'll all just gang up on you on Twitter. You can't even trust a platform that prides itself on truth and objectivity and facts to say truth, objectivity, and facts.

1:24:04Graham Stephan:Here's something you can clear up, though. The Pikachu Illustrator card got graded a PSA 10. They say that you got it regraded a 10.

1:24:14Logan Paul:I think you should set the record straight on that. I don't even know what to say. This is so ridiculous to me. Like, I bought it as a 10. like there's a video online with like six don't i think like eight million views maybe more of me buying it as a psa 10 so i way this this one i don't understand at all the i bought the pikachu illustrator as a 10 there is objective proof that's a fact you can watch it link in description what is the where does that even start like that this one's crazy because it's like it's so there's it's so cut and dry that card had been graded 10 for like a decade

1:24:58Graham Stephan:what's like help me understand actually they say that your connection got it regraded as a 10 but it was a 10 when I bought it you gotta help me Graham I'm just saying that's what they're saying and that's something we could dispel but how does that but like Do you think you saying this is just not going to make a difference? There's no point. Hell no. Hell no. Bro, bro.

1:25:21Logan Paul:They will go watch the video of me buying the card as a 10 from the guy who had it for five to 10 years before me where he bought it as a 10. And they'll go, I don't even know what they'll say. This is like I have a disconnect with a portion of the Internet because I just don't understand the criticism. room and then if i if i talk about it like there's always something else okay bro this this podcast alone will feed commentary channels for the next three months like they will have a feast with this thing and bro god bless you guys honestly god bless you guys get that bread just if you can

1:25:59Graham Stephan:keep it truthful what do you say to the criticism that the psa 10 should have been a nine based on

1:26:05Logan Paul:its condition my opinion about the grade of that card is that it's the best pikachu illustrator that I've seen and I have 10s in worse condition. It's a 10. That's my opinion. The card is unequivocally, objectively a 10. I don't know if the concern, that criticism is so much directed at me or like it is at the end of the day, right? Which doesn't make sense. I didn't grade the card. The card was graded by PSA 10, 12, 11, 13, 14, I don't know, years ago. Yeah.

1:26:38Graham Stephan:My understanding to the grading back then, and they were a little more lenient than they are today with the technology and everything. So today's 10 is actually a lot harder to get than seven years ago. It's my understanding.

1:26:49Logan Paul:I'm not sure. I don't know. But like, bro, the card says 10 on it. It's the only double-digit illustrator in the entire world. And the buyer, AJ Scaramucci, said the following to me. He said, he's like, I did my diligence. I looked at the other alleged better condition cards than this one. He specifically pointed out another one that he saw that is like supposedly in better condition and he landed on this one. And there were two other bidders above$15 million which as a buyer for me is like if I was buying it's validating. You're not the only one who thinks this is worth over$15 million. And bro these people are rich because they're not dumb it isn't dumb money they did their diligence and like there will be criticism around anything i do it does not matter if it's true people love to run

1:27:57Graham Stephan:with anything that tears me down what do you think started this like cascading effect of criticism towards Logan Paul. Japan. That was it. Yeah. And beforehand, you had not experienced anything, really.

1:28:13Logan Paul:No, I was literally YouTube's golden boy.

1:28:15Graham Stephan:So everyone loved you. There was no Logan Paul, the rise and fall. There was nothing like that.

1:28:21Logan Paul:No. It was simply that. Yeah, it was the mistake that I made in Japan. And here's where it gets tricky. That's valid. Like, bro, I made a colossal mistake. and it was a moral it was a moral mistake and so you know a lot of people close their mind off to the idea that this is like a young person who like had his priorities shifted and like can become a better human being it's oh like he had a moral dilemma he's gonna have a lot more and he's a he's evil like bro i see comments online saying like i'm evil evil bro like hitler's evil evil bro that's it. That is a strong word. And if that's someone's opinion about me, bro, honestly, God bless them.

1:29:09Logan Paul:I think they're entitled to that opinion. Um, and that's, that's just the way that cookie crumbled. And I think their minds probably closed off to letting me prove that like I'm a human being who made a mistake and tried to learn from it.

1:29:24Graham Stephan:Do you think that you dealt with that the right way? Should you have made an apology video for japan yeah yeah uh i was sorry i've up i genuinely believe i up to this day i'm like

1:29:42Logan Paul:like if you if i don't know if this was on your list of questions but like if you were to ask me what's one regret regret you have in life you know i have more than one but um my actions in japan And it is a regret. Although I think I became a better human because of it. And I certainly tried to do that. And it wasn't like, it's like, yeah, please forgive me. I'm like, I'm a good guy. It was like, all right, I'm going to like try to like earn the, like literally just earn the chance to be forgiven. I want to, I want to earn the chance to be forgiven. Just a chance. Please try it. Like, let's see if you can open up your mind and like, I'll prove that I can be forgiven.

1:30:22Logan Paul:And that was like eight or nine years ago. And like, I, I think I've done a decent job of it, but because that happened, it's a lot easier for people to then point their finger at me and go like, oh, his business failed. It's a scam. Oh, the, the business like ultimately didn't work out, but to accuse me of malintentions right off the rip, especially if you have the facts proving otherwise is that's, that's actionable. For example. do you think that you needed that to happen yes I do I was just heading down a very bad path and would have done something that would have had a permanent consequence but why that is a regret is because there's like a victim who has a family and like they didn't need to see that bro did you ever find out any

1:31:10Graham Stephan:information on you did

1:31:12Logan Paul:they did not want to speak to me

1:31:14Graham Stephan:and I understand

1:31:16Logan Paul:um and that's something i have to live with bro you know that you sleep in the bed you make i made that bed and like all i can do is try to become a better human being because of it um but i think because there was a a lapse in morality in that moment people assume and this may even be valid people may assume that like that lapse is like a permanent part of someone's personality some people believe that some don't what do you think is a valid criticism this this may be something that is known a little more like personally in my circles but i'm pretty candid like to the point where it can come across as like rude like i'm pretty blunt you know how they say treat others the way you want to be treated i find that to be total i don't like they're beating around the bush and if something's wrong like bro you had a thing in your eye earlier like i told you like i don't care like like this is thank you this like we let's let's cut this let's get to the root of what we're trying to say here yeah um it's it's a little like it can sometimes rub people the wrong way but like that's how i prefer to be treated because like i don't have time for um and a lot of people want to be babied full-grown men want to be babied and coddled into finding out what you're trying to say i don't care to do that i mean i think that's a valid

1:32:49Graham Stephan:criticism so we recently had jake paul on the podcast how is your relationship with him today

1:32:58Logan Paul:like it like varies like day by day yeah it's it's definitely the strongest it's ever been but i think he's going through a lot right now of good but also like he broke his jaw yeah and that sucks and that's proven to have some complications um his fiance just won olympic gold saw that and silver which is insane he's traveling all over the world he's busy he just had this huge fight um and so like we haven't been as connected as we usually are but like that's i guess like one of the side effects of having like a brother who's building an empire um but overall i'd say our relationship now is like stronger than it's ever been because we've we've had a bunch of ups and a bunch of downs but like ultimately i think the downs make the relationship that much stronger if you can work through them what was the biggest disagreement you've had with jake i mean bro the most recent one is like the disagreement that's

1:34:02Graham Stephan:very public right now on x uh and very current like it's it's not it's it's bad how much does

1:34:12Logan Paul:that spill over into your personal life like are you texting him yeah yeah and bro let me just before we even dive into this let me say this particular one is complicated because although i vehemently disagree with his position on this and i can say that and i believe i have even as his brother the right to say that you i love him so much dearly and i love my family members and i'm sure people can understand this that doesn't mean I share their views and in some regards I believe I have the right to express my disapproval and like I don't know if like there needs to be pushback all the time like you support your brother no matter what like like yes but this one's pretty egregious to me and so I felt it important to vocalize that we are different people.

1:35:14Logan Paul:I love him. I disagree with his viewpoint wholeheartedly.

1:35:18Graham Stephan:I'm surprised how often people confuse you too.

1:35:20Logan Paul:That's the issue and that's why it does bleed over into my life. People think I'm him. People think we're the same person. Yeah. I get called Jake. He gets called Logan. They think we're the same person and so it's tough.

1:35:31Graham Stephan:You know what's hilarious? Not to completely 180 but like when we had him on our show and we asked what the biggest disagreement, like where your relationship with him was in the most turmoil, what would you say it was?

1:35:42Logan Paul:My guess would be like politically.

1:35:45Graham Stephan:For him, it was when you guys were making diss tracks. Oh, I mean, bro, that's like that. He said that was like a violently. That was bad. That was bad. Like that's crazy. Because to me as a viewer, like I was just like, I don't even know how old I was at the time. Just like, oh, they did a diss track. Yeah, yeah. And then I'm like in my mind somewhere else. And to him, he was like, as soon as he said that Team 10's not even making any money. He's like, then I was angry. Like, that was it. That's so funny.

1:36:10Logan Paul:He told me that was a bar. He was like, that was a good line. Do your investors know that Team 10 ain't making any money?

1:36:20Graham Stephan:And he's like, that's the thing that really hurt. That was a bar. It stung. It stung.

1:36:25Logan Paul:Like, really. When I wrote that, I was like, god damn, bro. We going crazy. Yeah, bro. Had to put him in the dirt for that one. I don't know what I even said in the song, but now I got to go and put you in the dirt. Like, it was all out there. And that was real. And that was a, it became like an era of YouTube, the YouTube diss track era championed by me and my brother. It was insane.

1:36:49Graham Stephan:Who has a better musical career? You or Jake? I don't know.

1:36:52Logan Paul:But we both have platinum records, which is crazy. Cause it's like, I would say it's everyday bro is more known.

1:36:58Graham Stephan:Absolute banger. Yeah. Everyday bro is massive. and just really took that to the next level.

1:37:04Logan Paul:Absolutely, he just crushed it. Everyday Bro's a banger. Jake definitely tried to make a run at music. I did too, I did too. Then I think we both realized that we don't have the it factor. I don't got the talent. Sucks.

1:37:17Graham Stephan:What has Jake taught you? Do you ever look at what he has or what he's accomplished with any envy or jealousy?

1:37:26Logan Paul:I think I'd be lying if I said no. I don't know any specific examples that come to mind but it's definitely a very easy narrative for people online to like he's jealous of his brother and jake's even approached me once and been like bro you're jealous of me and i had to be like dude from the bottom of my heart like i'm in the happiest place of my life and i'm so glad you have everything you've ever wanted and so do i i don't have an ounce of jealousy for you like there was there was uh there was uh a narrative online for a while that i was jealous of his fight career um which like i think the way these things get spun up is by like a look or something said or me being like oh i think i could beat you and then people are just jealous no i'm like a delusional optimist like jake thought he could be anthony joshua no bro like no no shot but like he believed it so then i kind of believed it like that's just the way that's the way it worked i what he's taught me to answer that or whatever i learned from him he's got this ability to be patient that I really appreciate.

1:38:27Logan Paul:His long-term vision is more fleshed out than mine. And in many ways, he is more disciplined than me, which is an ultimate contributor to his success. He's extremely disciplined when he wants to be.

1:38:43Graham Stephan:Is there anything he has in his life right now that you are a little bit jealous of? Private jet?

1:38:51Logan Paul:Well, no, because he lets me use the private jet. like we that's brotherly love right there that's brotherly yeah like we get to pay at cost like we get an extreme discount man I think jealous is the wrong word like cause jealous implies a bit of like I should have that right

1:39:13Logan Paul:no I mean like it's all just things and I think I think the things that he has are like incredible and I'm happy for him I think his ranch is that looks awesome purchase 5 500 acre ranch bro that's nine square miles there might be dinosaurs on there doesn't appear to be in the dino bell it's in um georgia you've looked yeah and like he may he may find he may find something in there but it doesn't appear nah bro like i don't know not really you've also mentioned though recently they were locking in

1:39:50Graham Stephan:So you quit a lot of vices that you had you're trying to focus on health.

1:39:54Logan Paul:Yeah

1:39:55Graham Stephan:Do you think if someone is a viewer? Let's just say yeah is broke and out of shape The first thing they should do is get in shape or try to get their money up

1:40:05Logan Paul:Fitness is the first step to greatness Without question undoubtedly I used to not think that I used to not think that but if you're not taking care of yourself How the can you take care of anything else? your body is your temple this is the one vessel you have when i pray i pray that i was put in this vessel it's just a vessel guys my consciousness is like wherever but i've been programmed in this body treat it like a temple why would you not and if you don't have discipline about the thing that's powering your entire existence on this planet how can you expect to have discipline anywhere else put on your sneakers i thought about writing a book one day and calling it put on your sneakers to me will alter like your intention of what you're doing if you have your sneakers on and you show up in a gym like you don't know just i dare you i dare you to do this put on your sneakers and walk into a gym what do you think you're gonna do walk out

1:41:06Graham Stephan:straight to the treadmill no incline no probably like that's fine no probably work out harder because honestly sometimes i'll work out in birkenstocks sometimes i'll work out in like slip-ons but i haven't even thought like i haven't worked out in like like running shoes in a while

1:41:20Logan Paul:bro bro you don't even gotta like just put on your fucking tennis shoes go walk in a gym and see what happens if you turn around and walk out of that door what kind of person are you bro you're and sneakers at the gym. And sneakers at the gym, bro, go walk on a treadmill. I don't care what you do, go walk on a treadmill. Next day, go walk on the treadmill. Next day after that, put it at 1 % incline. Like, start somewhere. Fitness, I think, truly is the first step to greatness. How do you maintain your physique? First off, I'm incredibly consistent with my workouts. I've been working out for six days a week, no matter how much I'm traveling or working or sleeping, probably for the past year so back to the consistency thing um and i noticed around month four five six you start to like for me anyways my body starts to look like really chiseled um i'm religious about recovery and uh i'm pretty specific with my pre-workouts and post-workouts and what do those look like well for me it's prime energy pre-work pre-workout which like yes it's my brand yes i'm inherently a little bit biased that thing makes me run through a wall at the gym and like it's way way better than working out without it because like i like i can power through a workout i also think the type of workouts i do he laughs at me but i think i think i think the type of workouts i do not a lot of people would do and i think what do you mean what type of workouts?

1:42:55Logan Paul:So every workout, pretty much I start with a weighted jump rope, 15 minutes. And then this is like a peak workout at the end, at the last 10 seconds of every minute, you do double jumps. Oh, wow. Okay. So first off, I dare you to jump for 15 minutes with a weighted jump rope. You're going to die. Second off the double jumps for the last 10 seconds at the end of every, every, every, uh, minute gets you shredded in your whole body and you're doing cardio. After that, you start your workout, like your actual workout. And so like, to me, it's an easy way to both shred and get cardio, burn a ton of calories.

1:43:33Logan Paul:You're accomplishing a lot and working a lot of your body. Just, just jump, jump and grope and you can do it wherever. And then obviously post-workout. So prime shake yet again is another prime product, but

1:43:44Graham Stephan:what's your macros? looks like i don't count them do you just generally try to eat like low calorie high protein uh like when's the last time you had like fast food probably the other day at the fbo we had some mcdonald's how do you stay so lean though year round a my metabolism and my genetics are

1:44:05Logan Paul:like genetics are pretty important bro and like i have really good genetics and a crazy metabolism like i was the skinny kid and the small kid in high school then i hit puberty and like filled out. Um, so my metabolism was crazy, but I would say, I feel like intermittent fasting has a little something to do with it. I generally don't eat a full meal until about three to 5 PM. That's when I eat breakfast. And then, like I said, I'm also religious about recovery.

1:44:37Graham Stephan:And what's your workout split look like, or is there any specific workout that has worked incredibly well for you that people don't do?

1:44:44Logan Paul:I mean, yeah, it would be the jump rope. Okay. Jump rope. And then I'll alternate what I'm doing each day based on like specific parts of my body.

1:44:54Graham Stephan:What do you think is the most underdeveloped muscle in your physique?

1:44:58Logan Paul:Probably my legs.

1:45:00Graham Stephan:It's always calves for me. Those are tough. When have you ever worked out your calves? I just did the other week. We got new equipment at the gym. Okay, aside from that. yeah but i stopped doing it because i never saw results for cabs it's tough bro and i was like why am i spending time on this one thing your cabs are the same because i jump rope

1:45:20Logan Paul:i jump rope bro think i think it's all just calf calf calf calf jump rope you know how many times i jump rope bro i've been jumping for five years straight then you add that way to jump rope but you're just going nuts what do you listen to in your jump rope ring i'm not incredibly particular dina's a great dj she has a dope edm playlist i like edm okay because it's a good tempo and then i'm down one of these 18 plus prime energy go work out with some edm sneakers at the

1:45:49Graham Stephan:gym yeah add that i'm only half and i feel pretty locked in yeah yeah do you looks max

1:45:58Logan Paul:no i don't look looks max looks maxing is interesting it's interesting do you like looks maxing i don't know i don't know how i feel about it i feel like if people want to look smacks like go for it like anything to make you feel comfortable in your own skin would you lose your current physique for 100 million dollars yeah and then just get right back into shape yeah but let's say you could only be out of shape no no i'm already i already have some genetic dispositions things that um concern me specifically with my heart that run in the family and so like I have to I have to be health conscious like bro again 30 years old get a clearly scanned on your heart see like some of my arteries have like 20 build up bro what's your cholesterol

1:46:45Graham Stephan:it's not high it's not what's causing the plaque genetics I think that's what I was told is usually that shows up with high particles and cholesterol if you do like a blood work take my cause i have the same thing and i've been bringing it down with omega threes i take omega threes okay yeah yeah what's the best piece of content you've ever made it's gotta be my pokemon content the best piece of content yeah you've been making content for so long

1:47:15Logan Paul:the 99 our 99 originals was spectacular if i do say so myself it's definitely my proudest accomplishment in content but i think the best would be pokemon related stuff and i only say that because i just went back to watch it recently um because i'm scripting this next quest that i'm on and i was watching it and i was like bro this content is incredible like i don't know when the last time you guys have watched that that those pokemon videos um like like pursuing the pikachu illustrator yeah or buying the two hundred thousand dollar first edition but it's really good if i do say so myself um yeah i don't know how anyone can watch it be like this sucks and i think that's why it has so many views i remember when i posted being like why does this have so many views and i watch back now i'm like oh it deserves 10 million views this is incredible

1:48:07Graham Stephan:yeah they're really good thank you thank you how often have you gotten scammed when buying cards because i saw that one pikachu illustrator and you you peel it off was that real is that like an actual scam or did you find one of these cards that was real i did not have a lot of conviction

1:48:21Logan Paul:that it was a real card because it was like some kid in the area who was like yeah i found this like found this card my guess is that he was the one who printed printed it out and it didn't entirely look real and i threw him i threw him a couple thousand dollars because he was like yeah dude just keep it and i'm like this probably isn't real but i don't know how he made it and then i got home and i was eating i think it was pasta you can see in the bowl in that video he was eating pasta and i was like oh my god this is a sticker so bro i take this fake pikachu illustrator i see that it's a sticker i peel it off and then in anger i punch through the window i punch through the window and sever my wrist and end up spending the night in the hospital two miles down the street i get discharged from the hospital at 4 a.m and i'm like you know what you sleep in the bed you make i'm the to punch through a glass window in my house for stupid video i'm a walk home so i got real humbled at 4 a.m walking home bandaged up and by the way wow wrist brother I thought I was going to die.

1:49:33Logan Paul:I run upstairs to Mike, Mike's room. I think he was streaming, by the way. I'm like, bro, you got to take me to the hospital, bro. I hate to interrupt, but I think this is serious. I'm bleeding out on my wrist, dude. Right on that vein as well. Yeah. From a fake Pokemon card. Why hit the window? Why do that? I thought it was funny. I thought it would be funny if... I was like, I'm pretty sure this card is fake. I think it's peeling. I'm going to make a video and punch through this window. It's funny the lessons you learn from doing stupid.

1:50:08Graham Stephan:I remember that though. It got my attention because I think you were eating cereal as you were doing. Maybe it was cereal. On the topic of philosophy, I'm really fascinated by your mentality because like we addressed, it seems like regardless of whatever's happening, you're able to persevere. Why is it that you think so many people have a victim mindset? and obviously we don't need to even need to like address why having a victim mindset is bad it just defers blame to everything else so you take no responsibility yeah and no one will fix your life only you can do that so you need to accept responsibility for your life i mean you're saying it but there's nothing why do people why is it so pervasive there's nothing like revelatory

1:50:46Logan Paul:here that i'm gonna say that like you guys probably don't know or haven't said yourselves but I think a lot of people are like generally unhappy even if they don't know it I think there's potentially like deep feelings of inadequacy and the only way to make themselves feel better is to pretend that everything is happening to them the world is happening at them life is life is serving them up the situation versus becoming an adult and grabbing this by the horns and taking charge of your own life it's my daughter um she's having fun uh like it's it's it's it's difficult to like manifest your reality and go do things and find motivation or do like do things that compel you and i think it's easy to place blame on other people and make yourself uh a victim of life it's easy bro like you feel like about your life go on youtube bro leave a hate comment you know how many hate comments i've left how many one to who i don't know i was just 12 years old i was 12 years old and i went to go leave a hate comment on a video and I pressed a post.

1:52:10Logan Paul:I pressed post. And I remember as a 12-year-old thinking, holy f***, I'm a hater. This is crazy. Why did I do that? What is wrong with me? Like, why? But you know, that person could have read that video or my comment and been like, holy f***. Yeah.

1:52:30Graham Stephan:L-Dog and J-Slice thinks I'm a f***ing loser. If you were to give one piece of wisdom to the viewer right now, probably an 18 to 35 year old male. 97 % chance they are male. 97 % chance it is. Unfortunately, 2%, 3 % of this is a woman. Yeah. If you are the 2 % to 3%, by the way, please comment. Please let us know. It helps.

1:52:49Logan Paul:Mike does this with his viewers. They're called the 7%.

1:52:51Graham Stephan:The 7%. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What would you say to these people? Maybe they're dissatisfied with where they're at in life. I kind of said this earlier,

1:52:59Logan Paul:but my number one advice would be do your best to get some discipline. like try to structure some discipline in your life and perhaps writing down your goals would help with that it certainly helped me becoming goal-oriented because if you know what you're trying to achieve and bro i'm saying this can be the smallest thing it doesn't matter make your bed every morning make that a goal i don't care i like start small you don't climb a mountain in one step. You start with one step. You don't eat an elephant in one bite. I don't know why you'd be eating an elephant, but it's like a saying. And so like start small, stop comparing yourself to other people and find the thing that makes you tick.

1:53:47Logan Paul:I truly believe this.

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1:54:52Logan Paul:You'll have celebrities and influencers and motivational speakers tell you like, you can do whatever you put your mind to you know we're all like everyone's made equal like you can do it that's I'm gonna be honest with you that's not true and I know that because I've tried to do things that like I work hard I work really hard and I will immerse myself in a project or an endeavor and just go all in and I found that no matter how all in you go even if you go so hard you want it to work out so bad. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. It doesn't work out. That it's happened to me before. And so like that, like, yeah, just work hard and you'll win no matter what doesn't always apply.

1:55:40What I think can apply is finding what makes you tick.

1:55:45Logan Paul:Find out the thing that makes you want to get out of bed every morning, even if it's something that you don't even consider for one second could be like a viable business opportunity. Cause if you do what you love every day you'll never have to work a day in your life it is so cliche it is so true and i don't care if it's bro collecting prime bottles like for example there's a guy on youtube who loves collecting prime bottles prime creations he's got like hundreds of thousands of followers and you know god willing this becomes a a crazy brand one day and well i guess it already is but like you know a legacy brand one day which is a goal of ours and like you know his collection could be worth a lot of money.

1:56:26Logan Paul:Like the things that interest you, there's someone else out there who it interests. And so like, what I do believe is everyone does have something special in them that they can exploit and work hard to maximize, but you have to find it and you will find it by going out and doing and having hard conversations and, um, looking in words and meditate, uh, pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone. But like, it's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable. But like, hopefully you find it. I found professional wrestling at 27 years old. I was 27 years old and I found the thing that I truly believe I was born to do.

1:57:06Logan Paul:27 years, which I still think is incredibly early.

1:57:10Graham Stephan:Amen. This could be a height, honestly. Yeah, that sounded like you could have recited that from something else. I mean, that was phenomenal. Thanks. You know what I love? A lot of the people that we bring onto the show, obviously we've spoken to so many impressive people. Most people that are very impressive have came across a lot of failure. And if you're lucky, failure will then result into you rounding out your personality more. If you're unlucky, then failure can turn you bitter and displeased with life. And it's kind of your response to failure will determine if you become successful or a real failure.

1:57:44Graham Stephan:Because if you're the right type of person, a failure will become a learning experience, which will then result in more successes. So I see you as someone who has came up against a lot of failure in your life. But every single time you've utilized it in the proper way, like you did the right thing. You did the thing that rounds out your personality, that lets you learn from it to then hopefully lead to more successes than failures. But a failure to you is just an opportunity to grow, which I know is super cliche and cheesy once again. But it seems like your personality is like incredibly rounded out, way different than what I would have thought.

1:58:19Graham Stephan:And obviously I had the pleasure of being able to sit across from you and ask you questions. A lot of people obviously will not get this opportunity and they're going to continue to have their beliefs about you through the computer screen. But I am basically 100 % confident if they had the opportunity to sit across from you and just have a conversation with you like man to man, men to man, then they would come to the same conclusion. I want to ask you something. I appreciate that.

1:58:43Logan Paul:Thank you.

1:58:43Graham Stephan:Why did you do the podcast? Why come on here?

1:58:47Logan Paul:You're right.

1:58:48Graham Stephan:Yeah, because you didn't have to do this.

1:58:51Logan Paul:A, I know we've been talking about it for a while. Yeah. There's a bit of persistence on your end that is admirable. We're good at that. It goes a long way, guys. Yeah. Because, A, I said it when we first hopped on. I respect your work. I like you guys as interviewers. I see the types of questions you're asking. And, like, I've found we've had a rich conversation, although it's been me talking most of the time. But, like, I think you can, I think you're good at getting the best out of people or at least like a good version of people out of themselves um and so a i respect the platform and i i'm grateful for the opportunity to come on it um and then be your persistent i also thought that following this illustrator sale like we kind of have something to talk about it's it's i i i'll do things sort of if there's if i find that there's like material sure i think the illustrator sale is interesting i think there's a lot of fodder happening um and so like it was nice to talk

1:59:46Graham Stephan:about it yeah no we've i really appreciate it just like to have this opportunity for us too is massive really yeah thanks guys because i remember when i started making youtube videos in 2016 and at that time you were the one that was really doing like major things and i don't know if you remember this we actually met i think it was 2015 it might have been a 24-hour fitness on Hollywood Beloved. Holy s***. No way. Yeah. No way. I went there for a very short amount of time.

2:00:13Logan Paul:Exactly. That's where I met George Janko. Really? We could have been the best friends. Wow. It's where I met George.

2:00:20Graham Stephan:That's crazy. That is crazy.

2:00:21Logan Paul:Yeah. What did we say? What was the conversation?

2:00:23Graham Stephan:I think I just went up and said, hey, man, I enjoy your videos. Damn. And you were like, oh, thanks, bro. Thanks. Really appreciate that. Like, you were nice. Oh, man. But you were also, like, in between sets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I didn't want to, like, bug you. I'm like, oh, cool. Well, great meeting you, man.

2:00:34Logan Paul:May I see you around. George said he liked my vines, and then he just bothered me in between all the sets. And then this person says to anybody's funny. So I exchanged numbers, and then we became best friends.

2:00:44Graham Stephan:See, I'm so aware of people that I just don't want to bother people. It's fair. Even texting people sometimes, like, oh, Jack, I don't want to bother these people. But I found that sometimes that, like, I should be sending these texts. It's fair.

2:00:55Logan Paul:I'll tell you, I am one, two, three, four unresponded messages deep with Palmer Luckey.

2:01:03Graham Stephan:that's happens it's pretty bad so wait he's texted you or you've texted i've texted him

2:01:08Logan Paul:four times with no response i'm sure he's a busy guy he's a very busy guy yeah he's running a few

2:01:15Graham Stephan:big companies but like but like yeah i wouldn't be offended by that i'd be like all right but i'll get the occasional i'll get the occasional like unrelated text back about something random and

2:01:26Logan Paul:it's almost like those four didn't happen so i'm like yeah i've come to accept that like that's the relationship he's doing a lot of things um and that's fine bro like persistence is a is a

2:01:39Graham Stephan:is valuable and it can go a long way well we have some rapid fire questions to ask you here to end this out first starting it off it's a few you or jake questions okay who has the best song you or jake jake who has more money you or jake jake who wins in a fight you or jake boxing or m MMA. Boxing. Jake. MMA? Me. Who has a better hairline, you or Jake? Me. Could we see it? Can we see the... It's not bad! That's not bad!

2:02:13Logan Paul:It's not horrible.

2:02:14Graham Stephan:No, well, you would think that if you keep it kind of like covering up your forehead that it would be... It's not horrible. It would be higher.

2:02:21Logan Paul:I'm looking forward to the day that we buzz it off and I enter my Jeff Bezos era.

2:02:25Graham Stephan:Why wouldn't you just do a hair transplant?

2:02:27Logan Paul:Like, uh...

2:02:29Graham Stephan:Like go to Turkey. Like go to Turkey? Yeah.

2:02:30Logan Paul:Looks max. I've heard that the turkey hair transplant doesn't always work.

2:02:38Graham Stephan:Well, it doesn't have to be turkey. I mean, there's some really great doctors in the United States. You probably have the money to get it done. Yeah, I could get it done. It just seems like hair loss at this point can be cured and solved.

2:02:50Logan Paul:Yeah, you think we're there? Yeah, visually. Yeah, good shout. Yeah, good shout. Okay. Let me know if you know a guy. Actually, I do know a guy. I do know a guy who's apparently very good. I'll get it done.

2:03:07Graham Stephan:Who are the Mount Rushmore of social media?

2:03:09Logan Paul:Mount Rushmore of social media. Top four.

2:03:11Graham Stephan:It's like made the biggest impact.

2:03:13Logan Paul:Speed, Mr. Beast. Yeah, I was about to say Casey Neistat has to be on there. I love Casey, but he's not for me. Okay. I love Casey.

2:03:23Graham Stephan:It's got to be a vlogger. You or David Dobrik?

2:03:27Logan Paul:Smosh. Smosh. yeah that's a good one Smosh for sure I mean Niga Higa Maybe. Yeah, maybe. Maybe just not only not because like it seems like those like OG V1 YouTubers kind of like gave up or something like there's an argument for like Jenna Marbles in there.

2:03:52Graham Stephan:Hmm.

2:03:52Logan Paul:You know, but I don't I don't know because I don't know if they're still going like Smosh is still going and like Anthony and Ian, you'll see him pop up here and there.

2:04:00Graham Stephan:It's hard to pivot after a certain time. Tough.

2:04:02Logan Paul:It's really tough.

2:04:03Graham Stephan:It's mentally draining to keep it going for 10 years plus. And your audience grows up. And it's hard to keep capturing that same thing.

2:04:11Logan Paul:Yeah, you've got to adapt. Yeah. Man, I don't even know. Like, there's an argument for Roman Atwood. Even I would say, I would low-key say there's an argument for Mark Rober as well. Yeah. That's a good point. Like, bro, Mark makes some bangers that are really unique, bro. when I seen those squirrels going through that obstacle course I was like who the f*** is doing this? Yeah I'll say Mark. Yeah. Mark. Mark, Smosh, Mr. Beast and Speed. Cool. Who had better vlogs you with David Dobrik? Overall David. In the COVID era me. Who's the most oh go ahead. I was gonna say I'm proud of my COVID era vlogs.

2:04:54Logan Paul:Those are good. Thanks. Yeah. Those are fun.

2:04:56Graham Stephan:Who's the most famous person in your phone?

2:04:58Logan Paul:Probably probably The Rock or Kevin Hart. Do you text them frequently or no? Not frequently. I don't want to bother them. Yeah, dude.

2:05:08Graham Stephan:Oh, yeah. They're probably like, why does Logan never tell you? He must have liked us.

2:05:12Logan Paul:Yeah, or Tom Brady, who's very responsive. That's insane. And just a great guy. He's awesome. That's wild.

2:05:20Graham Stephan:When's the last time you were in a grocery store?

2:05:23Logan Paul:Probably a couple months ago. We took Esma to the grocery store.

2:05:27Graham Stephan:You can't go into grocery stores?

2:05:28Logan Paul:Yeah, I go to grocery stores, yeah, because my wife likes to shop and um she's she's a pretty good cook and we found out like we're taking advantage of the section where you can put the baby so they face you when you push the cart when you have a kid it's it's it's different because they're having so much fun they're sitting there you give them something to play with what's the most you've ever spent on a first date on a first date oh man man i don't know probably nothing crazy because i i i like maybe just like a nice dinner or something because i because i do think like i think there's something to be said about providing too much monetary value on like a first date like if a girl knows you have money you gotta expect that like how can we know what her intentions are so if you go to like mcdonald's or something and they're still cool with it like it's kind of a plus because i don't know maybe they can just like kick around and have a fun time without having to go to like a five-star a restaurant.

2:06:25Logan Paul:I don't know. Who's the smartest person, you know, probably my partner in prime. Are you still going to run for president at 35? I think I've kind of changed my tune on that at the moment. I think about it here and there. And like people are listening to this and probably think it's ridiculous, but I think like both my brother and I have proven and just the world itself has proven that like kind of anything can happen. And if you have the drive and like wherewithal to pursue something i think i could definitely make a good run at president the issues that i'm having right now with that is one um i feel like it's a really hard job it's an impossible job i feel like it's really difficult and a lot of energy and work i have a bit of an energy problem like i started this podcast saying i'm always tired like i'm i get tired like i'd like to sleep eight to nine hours a night i don't think a president can do that we'll see what happens um moreover the other thing i'm running into is that i think at least now my ego would have a tough time serving people at least 50 of people who hate you you know that right like your president half of the country hates you if you're lucky 25 to 30 and trying

2:07:49Graham Stephan:to actively kill you too at the same time.

2:07:51Logan Paul:Oh, and trying to kill you, bro. Oh, oh, oh, don't even get me started on the methods of assassination that are going to happen. Wait till they have drones this big, bro. And they can just mosquito fly a drone from 50 miles away into your head. Have you seen those China robots? Yeah, bro, they're cooked, bro. Presidents are going to have to give speeches in drone-proof, bunkers, little, like, boxes. It's going to be horrible. But like, yeah, I think like, I would have a problem knowing I'm giving my all to try to make this country and its people the best that we possibly can. And half of them want you to die and do not agree with your position.

2:08:29Logan Paul:That's tough. That's tough, bro. Eventually, I think we're going to have an AI president. One thousand percent. And if the president is AI, is not AI, they will be told exactly what to do and say by AI. Yeah. Bro, that's not an insane statement. it is 100 %

2:08:49Graham Stephan:everything is just gonna be automated

2:08:50Logan Paul:100 % bro they're gonna be able to to do the job better than anyone yeah what's your most insecure physical feature it used to be my acne I had very bad acne and then it used to be I think probably like my hair like my hairline but like I think I've just gone through enough and like accomplished enough and made enough money to like stop giving up like bro i look how i look or or maybe it's just being 30 years old like i look how i look this is the best i got bro like what what can i do are you happier than the average person i think so yeah what's the most you've made in a single day

2:09:36Graham Stephan:it was the other day it was the pokemon illustrator well beyond that

2:09:43Logan Paul:No, no, not that.

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2:10:49Logan Paul:But that's kind of tough because none of these things are like, none of these things.

2:10:52Graham Stephan:Yeah, it was a big buildup.

2:10:54Logan Paul:Yeah, they have massive buildups.

2:10:56Graham Stephan:Yeah.

2:10:58Logan Paul:Everyone knows I made Maverick merchandise made$3 million in three days. We made a million a day, which was insane. But like, are you talking about like get a check cut? to you on this day.

2:11:12Graham Stephan:I mean, Floyd Mayweather?

2:11:14Logan Paul:No, I didn't make as much money as you'd think fighting Floyd. Did you get paid from that? He still owes me a million and a half. Maybe more. How does he owe you the money? Why don't you just like... Here's what happened. He pre-sold the fight using my likeness to some company in I think Dubai or like the Middle East. This is my understanding of it. For$10 million cash. We ended up doing the fight in the States with a different company. that is the company that put on the fight that is the company that paid but he sold our fight with my name and likeness to someone else in dubai for 10 million dollars cash it's our fight bro our deal was 15 he smoked me so i got 15 of it 15 of 10 million dollars is 1.5 million dollars that company uh that uh paid him that money is suing him i actually don't know the status on that lawsuit.

2:12:08Logan Paul:I should check in because he still owes me money, but he has a bunch of legal trouble at the moment that I don't, I don't think I'm ever getting the money.

2:12:14Graham Stephan:He just sold this house in Vegas. He is? He really? Yeah. I think, yeah, he's facing a push. He rinsed on that house. He started at$14 million. He custom built the house, by the way, in like 2006. Started at 14, reduced to 12, 10, 8 came on the market. And I always, it was a lot of house for 8. So for a 6.6. Oh, he really got rinsed. Just the cost to build that house was nine or ten. Whoa, he got rinsed. Yeah. Goddamn. It was huge. Goddamn. Who would win in a fight? You or 100 grams?

2:12:50Logan Paul:Probably 100 grams. 100 to me is a lot. 100 grams, it's a lot of people, bro. It's like the one silverback versus 100 guys, bro. Silverback doesn't stand a chance. Silverbacks can cook, bro. 100 grams is a lot. I'd crush it. I could probably take... Yeah. I could take out, bro, no joke, I could probably take out between four and eight of you.

2:13:11Graham Stephan:Dude, that's so impressive. Do you feel offended by that at all? No. Objectively, I think it's probably true. But nine would be two. Nine, he'd have two people on each leg. Yes, exactly. And you'd be like, you'd be pinned down, one on your head. Yeah, I can only give so many one shots.

2:13:30Logan Paul:Like, I would have to be really fluid with my motion. no wasted movement, not a single percentage of wasted movement, and one shot him, just jaw, body, jaw, body.

2:13:38Graham Stephan:There's no way we surround you. You would throw a shot.

2:13:42Logan Paul:What I would do in a surrounding situation is break the wall in one portion. I'd have to break the wall, then fight from behind. I can't allow myself to get flanked. Yeah, I cannot get flanked. You guys would smoke me, though.

2:13:59Logan Paul:are you guys prepared for the influx of hate comments that are coming on this video and social media i can't believe you would sit down with this scumbag you know what's so funny dude

2:14:08Graham Stephan:i get all the hate jack gets nothing any single time i mean i do get hate but no it's never jack it's always like i can't believe graham would do this it's 50 50 jack and i jack gets off clean And I say Jack has the best thing because we split this 50-50, but I get 99 % of the hate. 99 % of the backlash is me, even though we're 50-50 partners. That's fascinating. Well, he has a huge personal brand outside of the iced coffee hour.

2:14:36Logan Paul:Okay, yeah, so that's definitely why. Yeah, for sure.

2:14:40Graham Stephan:Yeah, but the podcast is growing. I just get to say, I'm just an assistant. Yeah. Fair. Yeah, anytime something goes bad, Jack's like, oh, I know you do this. I'm just here. Are you prepared, bro? Is it going to be that bad? I don't think it's going to be. I mean, people are going to be like, why didn't you ask these certain questions? To me, at the end of the day, it does not matter. Like as much as I do love making great money and running this business, this podcast, the objective of the podcast is to not make as much money as possible. That is not it. The objective of the podcast is to scratch the curiosity itch that, you know, we've had for so long to talk to people that we want to talk to.

2:15:11Graham Stephan:For me, that's all I could ever ask for. So look, if we get hate, so be it. That's fine. I try not to be bothered by it. you know being online for as long as we have like at a certain point like you said hate will just be a byproduct of being online so and graham said yeah jack doesn't get any i do get hate sometimes don't discount me that's a little bit of hate right there no but to me it stopped bothering me for the most part once i saw just like how ridiculous it is yeah it will get yeah it gets it gets crazy bro final question okay who had the best verse in it's everyday bro yeah it had to be

2:15:44Logan Paul:at Crompton.

2:15:45Graham Stephan:That's what I've been saying all these years. I agree with that. That is what I've been saying all these years.

2:15:50Logan Paul:Yeah. Okay, boys. Logan, thank you. Thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee. This means the world to us.

2:15:55Graham Stephan:Thank you guys all for watching. Flew all the way to Puerto Rico to make this happen. He invited us into his home. So kind, so generous. Also, they provided me with an amazing breakfast. Yes. These are delicious. Go get some. Bang, bang, bang. Thank you all for watching. Till next time.

2:16:10Logan Paul:Yes. Thanks, guys.

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